after Orpheus and loot upgrade, the diamonds only purpose is unlock new music?
#h1-story-discussion
shrewd badger
atomic forge
As well as a few other things to buy from the contractor, yes.
jovial fossil
IIRC you also need 10 of them for a final relationship upgrade
paper pawn
ugh extreme measures hydra is the worst, clobbers me every time
graceful wharf
just pretend that you clobber them instead
atomic forge
*absolutely clobber
paper pawn
i can delude myself
cunning needle
you know what's worse than extreme measures hydra? extreme measures hydra while you have a chaos curse that increases trap damage
graceful wharf
speaking of upgraded hydra, i had a few run with Zagreus sword and Hermes greater haste for a total of 70% movement increase, i can't tell where i am going most the time
atomic forge
My ears just pulled back like a cat, Maladict.
@graceful wharf Gotta stack Second Wind and Drift Dash on that, too.
solar cove
and all that when that alternate hydra fight already has such a slippery platform
graceful wharf
i would get killed immediately by lava
is this the explanation ever, died like a cartoon character
paper pawn
man elysium really needs to be balanced I feel, and I saw it in the suggestions somewhere in feedback too, things shouldn't be so tanky when all elysium specific adds have two lives
or alternatively they should take a lot longer to revive than they do, had a few souls popped out right on top of a weapon and before i could even charge a shot they were back to life
valid grail
or revive without their armor
paper pawn
there's already a ton of exploding chariots, do they all really need to be so insanely tanky? the souls that pop out are tank as heck too
graceful wharf
shield guy too op pls nerf
cunning needle
lol this brings me back to when elysium was first released
the elysians are a difficulty spike compared to previous mobs but their rhythms can be learned
pallid crag
elysians are the Men of Hades
graceful wharf
but you can inflict doom or maybe other curse effects on shield dudes even if they are facing you i think?
cunning needle
the shield elysians teach the importance of attacking at the right moment and at the right place
or if you dont want to bother there are some hammers that negate shields
unreal flax
and the tiny chariots teach you to run and scream
cunning needle
on the rail for example
pallid crag
you can just rail special behind them, no need for hammer
cunning needle
the tiny chariots will explode on their own if they chase you long enough
i honestly fear the spear elysians more than the shields now that i’ve practiced. the shields are menacing but at least they move slowly and their attacks have long telegraphs
the spears will stab you from across the map ten times before you even notice you’re there
paper pawn
i only fear the flame wheels because without a dash damage buff of some sort i don't have the time to get rid off the two blue hearts before they explode on me
everything else i find tanky, annoying, overly tedious like the soul catchers, but manageable
cunning needle
oh you’re using the heat option that adds extra lives to enemies? no wonder
solemn bloom
When big flame wheels charge at me, I scream.
cunning needle
yeah thats going to affect the tankiness of things a lot
solar cove
they can kill themselves by running into obstacles and that also goes through any form of shield
the small ones that is
cunning needle
for reference, the gameplay is balanced for the heatless experience. certain things are going to become wildly powerful with different heat options
solar cove
with heat being incorporated into the gameplay experience as it is it really shouldnt
solemn bloom
I think it is also works with end game cause once you figure out all the good boons and unlock all buff renovations game becomes quite easy
cunning needle
yeah heat used to be less essential for grinding resources which i don’t like. but there is the compensation of being able to use god mode with heat
dont like how heat became more essential, is what i mean to say
solar cove
also i really think the most intended way to kill the small chariots is to make them suicide
paper pawn
well considering i can't get titan blood/ambrosia/diamonds from bosses anymore unless i keep bumping up heat, the fact that elysium is extremely wildly unbalanced with higher heat is starting to wear on my patience, most of it is just me spending way too long wailing on one add, then again on its soul while dodging the rather ridiculous amount of bombs everywhere
solar cove
ofc other ways existing is good
paper pawn
and when the small chariots have two instances of protection from damage, they actually never explode until you poke those away
slate zenith
I never noticed (Until today) the one red shade in the Elysium boss fight who is rooting for you.
paper pawn
they just chase forever
slate zenith
Even has a banner for you.
paper pawn
or until they hit you
cunning needle
playing with heat used to only give a tiny increase in darkness earned
solar cove
as i said - their suicide goes through the blue hearts
the collision detection for them is definitely not perfect tho
its way better than it used to be but could always be better
paper pawn
well yeah when they explode on you, they explode
but ideally you're trying not to let them explode on you
solar cove
you run them into walls - they explode
paper pawn
never happens on my elysium runs at 32 heat
they just stop chasing occasionally if i kite too long
graceful wharf
just die first, easy solution
paper pawn
true
paper pawn
ah another go at theseus/asterius but rip for no health—i actually like cart!theseus more than regular form since he doesn’t block for most of his HP bar so getting him down is a lot easier
if only he stayed on the cart forever
paper pawn
hmm does anyone know how to get the hymn of zagreus on orpheus's music stand
dawn ore
paper pawn
huh i guess i need to run into him more, he's just giving me the cycled voice lines
restive elk
That moment then you buy "Lament of Orpheus" and Zag goes:"Can't wait to hear this!"
Wow, Zag, that's rude.
paper pawn
lol
paper pawn
okay back at punished thesterius, wish me luck
paper pawn
th-thank you for your belief hypnos
paper pawn
does anyone remember what the conversation was that ended with hades saying "Megeara has made her feelings clear on the matter" regarding something and Zagreus responding it was going to be awkward now
i accidentally skipped it
graceful wharf
Huh i guess i haven't reached that point yet, but i'm gonna screenshot the dialogue if you still need it like i did with every other dialogues in the game
rigid vortex
Lounge vintage shelf 5 THOUSAND gems??????
pallid crag
true luxury
paper pawn
you gotta buy dad his expensive liquor or he'll never love you
buy it with the gems you loot from ransacking his realm
rigid vortex
|| Meg: See you around , Zag: See you around...yes!, I had the exact same reaction zag. ||
steady beacon
how do you give someone ambrosia? The game has never let me do that, even though I've given out a lot of nectars.
proper cairn
how in the h e l l do i unlock the heart for meg
paper pawn
"You wish to meet your Uncle Zeus? Imagine me with a luxurious white man and without a modicum of self-control. That is your Zeus." - Dad, pls
I just want to meet lightning santa
shy nimbus
@steady beacon you need to unlock events related to them in order to have the chances to give them ambrosia.
Aka. Keep talking to them every chance to get. ...and also win them in their own challenge lol
proper cairn
that doesnt tell me anything i dont know how to get to that point
pallid crag
Axel, in one of their first meetings in the game zag mentions that her whip has never been very persuasive in the past
shy nimbus
At least it's better than Zag and Than. ||they giggle instead lol||
graceful wharf
so i already romanced Thanatos, can i just max out Meg hearts and choose not to romance her, does it effect Zag relationship with Than in any way
restive elk
You can choose both.
restive elk
Not if you are Zeus, but yeah.
graceful wharf
nah i don't like Meg that much
proper cairn
Zeus has boned pretty much every being on/in earth/hell/heaven
so i would say its because of Zeus polygamy is a thing
graceful wharf
also Than complained Meg and Zag was pretty close once so i thought it might affect something
proper cairn
i mean Zag IS the god prince of the underworld, technically he can do what he wants and everyone would just be like "oh, naturaly" unless Hades said "bad"
graceful wharf
Meg might follow Hades, Than already stood up for Zag
proper cairn
okay to ask my question again what do i need to do to unlock the heart for Meg?
hellep
shy rune
i think u gotta beat her during extreme measures
proper cairn
i did that already, or do i need to do it when the heart is locked because if so that makes sense
shy rune
maybe. not 100% sure on it tho
restive elk
Did you showered her with ambrosia already?
graceful wharf
i just beat her up till she decided to talk, not sure what's the requirement
proper cairn
aight
graceful wharf
tsch tsch too slow man, i got you this time
restive elk
God, I wish that the only advice about women I can give was not "Beat her up".
tall ingot
the funny story is that they both like it XD
restive elk
DOnt make it worse than it already is xD
proper cairn
you mean that the literal son of satan AND the one using a whip
likes BDSM?
imagine that
totally out of left field that
graceful wharf
this is a violence game, out of 4 people you can give Ambrosia to you need to beat 3 of them up first, the only exception is Sisyphus and he already get beat up everyday already
proper cairn
indeed
rigid vortex
The fact that I cannot buy gems tilts me to no end
rigid tusk
I keep feeding Nectar to Bouldy in the hope that I'll be granted a Boon
Please tell me there are Boons of Bouldy
pallid crag
you can buy gems though 🤔
main gulch
@rigid tusk he always gives you a boon when you give him something
rigid vortex
Where?
main gulch
The broker
rigid vortex
I can buy things with gems, not gems themselves tho
main gulch
You believe in bouldy, and bouldy believes in you
Gotta wait for the special options to
rigid vortex
wait bouldy gives you a boon?
wat?
I've been feeding him nectar all this time and never noticed anything.
graceful wharf
it's just a small buff
rigid tusk
I just got Heart of Stone, +6% movement speed
main gulch
It's like 1-6~% increase to something
Movespeed, cast damage, special damage, attack damage
Just random
solar cove
there is also one that does nothing i think
rigid vortex
I honestly never received anything from bouldy.
rigid tusk
It doesn't pop up or anything, go check your boons
rigid vortex
btw did they change the button that opens up your boons to be able to see their details?
solar cove
its still tab for me - no idea why it changed for others
main gulch
Me either
pallid crag
Axel, you can buy gems as one of the limited time offers
i just bought like 20 gems for 2 keys or something yesterday
proper cairn
thats dumb
paper pawn
there's also a special offer to trade in one titan blood for 150 gems
which is actually good because that resource is pretty plentiful
so swap it out when you see the offer
for fated authority, is it locked to room type? so if the room is already designated as a "resource" room, randomly changing the reward won't be able to change it out of the category?
because i can never seem to reroll these annoying darkness rooms into something actually useful
always rolls to gems
restive elk
Yup you cant reroll resource into power
paper pawn
how. completely. useless.
solar cove
i mean now you can upgrade them and early on a random pom from a nectar is basically always exactly where you want it
paper pawn
upgrade resources? but regardless i didn't want the resources in the first place. what a waste, at least I won't have to worry about putting points into that particular mirror upgrade then
it would have been nice to full reroll, but category-locked makes it fairly worthless for my purposes
graceful wharf
i usually use Nix keepsake so darkness room is a free heal, combine with chaos boon sometimes and it's a free heal
paper pawn
yeah my heal's nerfed so it's not a good source, i'm just trying to find some way around tartarus's penchant for resources but so far unsuccessful
graceful wharf
oh right the pact, what do you guys think about Achilles keepsake, idk how good it's because i never noticed if i take damage from the back a lot or not
paper pawn
same tbh, i tried it a bit, but didn't notice much
graceful wharf
so what's yours go to keepsake for high heat run
paper pawn
always patroclus, high heat run just turns into bullet hell shooter
unless you're a magician, probably not going to dodge everything
i go patroclus + sisyphus special trinket for a bit of emergency healing
though patroclus + than/meg's trinket is nice if you want to nuke annoying groups of enemies down
graceful wharf
i play quite recklessly so Than trinket doesn't suit me very well
and i always swap to Skelly trinket in the final level
paper pawn
you know maybe it's a bug on my end, but i've never been able to swap special trinkets after i start
always thought it was intended
graceful wharf
same, i can't even use the special trinket sometimes in Hades boss fight
paper pawn
oh yeah you can't summon than/meg in hades boss fight i think
not sure about skelly, never used him with hades
graceful wharf
ah that explained it, so Sisyphus and Skelly are ok, i tried it before
hasty stirrup
who is bouldy
hasty stirrup
you can give gifts to the rock??
graceful wharf
and also talk to him
solar cove
only after you talked to sisyphus a lot
paper pawn
ugh nothing but resources from tartarus again, time to go bathe in lava
one of the mirror's upgrades should straight up be higher chances of getting boons so it's optional if you want to use it or farm resources instead
maybe 1 out of every 10 attempts tartarus gives me a barely acceptable run
pallid crag
with the renovations, all resources should be giving you something useful in the run too
so its not all bad
paper pawn
it's all bad, generally, darkness + coin is useless if charon isn't carrying boons, nectar + pom is pointless if you only have one useless boon from the very beginning (and you're maxed out on nectar-giving atm with nothing else to trade for diamonds so far), key + reroll is category locked so it doesn't help unless I run into a boon room that i can try rerolling, and tartarus is stingy on boon rooms
it's just because I'm trying to do a 32 heat run, so tartarus's resource-heavy rolls is killing me is all
normally i'd agree
solar cove
why do you waste your time with only a useless boon from the start?
paper pawn
because even with a useless boon clearing tartarus isn't hard?
it's just that you won't get far into elysium without a decent setup
so clear tartarus with bad boon and turn it into a resource run
then die
try again
if tartarus gives a good haul, keep going as far as you can
solar cove
resource run is the opposite to before - you said you need to get a really strong run - so i see no reason not to give up earlier
paper pawn
i don't see the problem with recognizing a run has turned to potatoes and just continuing it as a resource run
and ending it quickly at asphodel
pallid crag
resources are still useful even if your main goal is a 32 heat clear, uen
paper pawn
^
solar cove
but thats not on a pom from a nectar being useless - its on the boon itself
paper pawn
yes but if the boon isn't helpful then you just finish the run and die and try again
pallid crag
i think slugs point isnt that poms are useless, but that you need multiple boon rooms to find 1 good boon to carry you
and pom is one less chance
paper pawn
i'm still salty about the time i made it to hades on 32heat and didn't have a defiance to survive long enough
pallid crag
if you do find that good boon, poms are great
graceful wharf
imagine not finding Chaos defiance boon all the time haha
solar cove
if you find a good one early nectars are great
pallid crag
yes
but each pom early is 1 room that isnt a chance to find that good one
paper pawn
bless marcoos for granting me that chaos defiance
pallid crag
no, there is one chance for a good one
solar cove
no there is one or there is suicide
pallid crag
lame
graceful wharf
you're welcome
solar cove
for really hard runs thats it
paper pawn
okay well that's not how i prefer to go about my runs, so i'm getting in some resource farming on the side when a run goes belly-up that's all
graceful wharf
the only resource i need to grind left is gem, gotta get that vintage set
paper pawn
ugh did you already get the columns?
i haven't really been farming gems << the 2k/5k amount is killing me
graceful wharf
oof forgot about that one, sadly no so that's a lot of gem
graceful wharf
wonder if papa Hades would feel proud and suddenly become a good father when i acquire them, it better be
paper pawn
if only
graceful wharf
yeah the other contracts are only 100-200 then boom 5k gems
pallid crag
at least keys start turning into every other currency eventually
that will speed it up
paper pawn
i am going to beat up this broker if he doesn't let me exchange all these titan bloods for gems
let me in that booth you scam artist
graceful wharf
i transfer all the keys into nectar, i crave more juicy lore
pallid crag
fair
graceful wharf
common game let me give Hades more nectar
graceful wharf
talk more like i'm gonna beat him up 999 times
paper pawn
you must physically and verbally fight every time
because we can't just have healthy, open lines of communication in this household
graceful wharf
hmm insightful, thank you for enlighten me
runic terrace
when zag fixes the lounge and asks hades ||if he'll treat him better now|| and hades says no.... my heart 😭
pallid crag
oof
paper pawn
argh, right in the kokoro
runic terrace
YEAH,,
solar cove
after saying no he should randomly get a 'best dad' cup on his desk 🙂
paper pawn
poor zag always hiding how hurt he is behind a thin veneer of youthful rebellion
runic terrace
some of those rememberances sting, oof
solar cove
or well - underworlds best dad
runic terrace
and zag's get OUT of my HEAD response that plays sometimes as he starts a run is so 
paper pawn
yeah like the one when he said he had no heir because zag wasn't good enough or something
sob
pallid crag
naw thats chaos
sort of
runic terrace
YEAH,,,
unreal flax
my feelings
paper pawn
more like most estranged parent
runic terrace
YEAH
unreal flax
more like off handed grandpama
paper pawn
chaos hasn't talked to nyx since literally the "dawn of time"
paper pawn
i need more of this family drama
runic terrace
yessss
paper pawn
LOL
unreal flax
well you turn off the light
pallid crag
please dont kill helios
runic terrace
and zag in his zaggy way has been trying to get them to talk again so like. thatll be drama
paper pawn
i need more of the nyx and chaos drama qq
this is like a TV show where you have to earn your episodes
I'm dying here
pallid crag
its always overcast in hades
runic terrace
YESSSS
paper pawn
yes
runic terrace
hfvhjfvhj in like last january i wrote a comic where chaos like, possessed zag to get a message thru to nyx..... im waiting on that actual conclusion so i can write more fun things >:3
paper pawn
argh please I need all these loose ends tied up
will achilles and patroclus reunite? will nyx and chaos speak? will eurydice and orpheus ever find each other again? stay tuned!
graceful wharf
will SG ever add romance option with Theseus
runic terrace
omg
paper pawn
i am a slug plastered to supergiant's window, waiting on the next installment
unreal flax
n-no
graceful wharf
indeed in greek mythology anything can happen
bleak osprey
but what if i would rather romance asterius instead
runic terrace
theyre a package deal...do not separate
paper pawn
gasp
runic terrace
zagster is supercute tbh
paper pawn
scandalous
unreal flax
then you will have to take theseus home too
unreal flax
on his macedonian tau lamda
runic terrace
theseus wont sit down in the house of hades hes learned his lesson
the last time he sat down was on the sticky chair
graceful wharf
and his phantom of the opera mask
runic terrace
now he has no butt
solar cove
i like the conversation with achilles about theseus mask 🙂
runic terrace
headcanon that zag doesnt sit bc hes heard vaguely that one chair in the house is sticky
but he doesnt know which
graceful wharf
speaking about butt, would be wicked if we pull a prank on Hades and glue him to his throne, that way we don't have to deal with him in the final level
runic terrace
HGVHJFFVHJFHJ
solar cove
he would come in with the throne to the final fight
graceful wharf
Hades is Thanos confirmed
unreal flax
hades will just sit on the throne and say nothing is wrong and it's perfectly normal to fight sitting down
paper pawn
only the weak fight standing up
graceful wharf
ask Daedalus to add wheel to his throne
runic terrace
hgvhjfcjfvhjfhj
paper pawn
no please i don't want theseus 2.0
unreal flax
fire wheels
paper pawn
dad is running me over on his throne car
unreal flax
just like in them isekai cartoons
runic terrace
hades to theseus: https://66.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxzpylNqK11qzqnxxo1_500.png
graceful wharf
ah nothing like a father and son bonding time
paper pawn
omg
graceful wharf
big mistake indeed
runic terrace
hades cars au
unreal flax
yes this is why we're all going to tartarus
pallid crag
you mean cartarus
runic terrace
CARTARUS.....
paper pawn
.....
unreal flax
paper pawn
i have to fite you for that
pallid crag
no boons, no keepsakes, zagreus sword aspect only, final destination
paper pawn
yeah! except i have no competency with the sword so this will just end up a slap fight
runic terrace
"stop staring at me with your mismatched winshield" https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/641328710594723840/657249416566276096/Lightning_McQueen_Cars_3.png?width=1884&height=1044
paper pawn
why does this exist
that was a really sad memory okay
why would you desecrate it
like this
you monster
unreal flax
i bet dad yelled at you for looking like mom
paper pawn
this family drama keeps me up at night
runic terrace
its too late i already desecrated it days ago https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EL7_rHHWsAQevFh?format=jpg&name=medium
BUT YEAH....JOKES ASIDE ITS A SAD ONE
paper pawn
runic terrace
and zag has obviously no say in the matter of eyes, and probably didnt even know why his dad hated the perse-reminded at the time 😭
paper pawn
stabbing me right through the heart here
all these memories
supergiant does it again
i'm just a pile of tears
every single game man
runic terrace
there have absolutely been rememberances where i have to put the game down and go cry a bit
unreal flax
inb4 the ending is zag realizes the true gift is all the friendships he made along the way
runic terrace
yessss
paper pawn
and he comes home to make it a better place qq
unreal flax
but you still need to do 999 convo with hades or he will never love you
paper pawn
he's so jealous of how the dog likes you
runic terrace
zag pets cerby and hades is like "cerberus is just pretending to like you" LIKE EWWW
unreal flax
i bet he is just reminded of how zag mom used to pet it or something
runic terrace
cease bothering the dog cease bothering your SON!!
pallid crag
i think weve established hades is uncool
runic terrace
the most uncool
unreal flax
oh he's fine he just has a lot of emotional baggage
paper pawn
there was one memory that was like "you can't get out of here, you think I haven't tried?"
and I was just NO
he tried looking for her
omg
graceful wharf
we can't even pet all 3 heads of Cerberus, bad game 0/10
paper pawn
yeah unplayable
runic terrace
honestly what really touched me is in the first convo post-killing where hades says to pass on the message that cerberus is doing well and zag is like first tell me why she left
and it struck me as like, "he wants to check if telling her this would comfort or hurt her" 😭
hjfjhfhj yes i would love to pet all 3 heads
they all deserve pets
paper pawn
everything is so well done, i weep every time
runic terrace
yessss
paper pawn
i also want to see skelly's dialogue for this 32 heat statue
thus my insistence on doing this
runic terrace
omg
unreal flax
or maybe you just love the pain
paper pawn
that too
graceful wharf
Hades is the kind of game that i need to screenshot every single dialogues
bleak osprey
ahaha i totally don't do that
paper pawn
i wish i'd been doing that
bleak osprey
pushes my screenshot folder under the bed
runic terrace
i see hades with a 
over his head and i act like im the paparazzi
runic terrace
hjghjfvjhfvhjfhj
bleak osprey
this isn't even all the screenshots i have, it's been a while since i shuffled stuff over
paper pawn
if you have the thanos full romance route please let me yoink your compressed file
bleak osprey
thanatos
paper pawn
so i can read that cuteness again
bleak osprey
paper pawn
don't look this way
runic terrace
thanatos snap
bleak osprey
anyway no i do not because thanatos refuses to show up for me and it Kills Me
runic terrace
he is a finicky boy
paper pawn
cry every time
bleak osprey
i got him to max hearts before the update and now he's avoiding me
pallid crag
thanatos encounter
score:
zag: 7
than: 3.5 billion
unreal flax
meanwhile thanatos only shows up in elysium for me while im using the bow
bleak osprey
please....... i have so much ambrosia to give you......................
thanatos for the price of one (1) smooch this ambrosia could be Yours
paper pawn
he needs to be wooed with 4
runic terrace
this is absolutely self superstition but in my adventures i have found that using a death defy to the tartarus miniboss ups the than chances
runic terrace
YESSSS 
unreal flax
i want to romance both than and meg just to see the line
paper pawn
this is the hades black market for conversation screenshots
bleak osprey
is it bad that i kinda want to start a new file solely to throw ambrosia nectar at everyone all over again
paper pawn
see what you make us do SG
pallid crag
i just did, welcome
also because i hadnt played since elysium update
runic terrace
yeah, sg, youve made us LOVE PEOPLE
bleak osprey
the only thing stopping me from doing it is the fact that i really, really don't want to have to grind out darkness for the mirror again,
pallid crag
meg showing her gun nut side when i got exagryph was precious
runic terrace
runic terrace
paper pawn
thanatos is precious
runic terrace
i love how hes obviously going to work between these convos but he must be sooooo distracted
paper pawn
YES imagine death showing up to collect you blushing furiously
runic terrace
YEAH
paper pawn
and he looks distracted
and blurts out "WHAT DOES IT MEAN" to his latest batch of souls
who all scream terrified
runic terrace
"question of no real importance as we pass the time on charon's boat: have you ever said you loved someone?"
JHGFHJFHJ YES
bleak osprey
"okay, speaking totally hypothetically......"
runic terrace
YEAH
unreal flax
"asking for a friend"
paper pawn
LOL
graceful wharf
Hermes also mentioned Thanatos could barely contain his happiness when mentioning Zag
runic terrace
theres also a hermes line iirc where he like, vaguely mentions than's mentioned zag to him? so its fun to imagine than being like hermes he said good morning or night to me what do you think he MEANT and hermes is like "um gotta go bye" and than is like yeah.....he meant he has to keep trying his escapes.....
paper pawn
kdsfjhasfd
runic terrace
AAA HE SAID THAT???
paper pawn
yeah he did
runic terrace
OMG I GOTTA SEE HERMES
paper pawn
he said thanatos almost smiled when he mentioned zag
paper pawn
and that hermes had never seen anything like it
runic terrace
the deathdealing drama is so funny to me.......hermes thanny charon ares middle school lunch table
paper pawn
ldkfjg;ldskgjfsldgj
runic terrace
AAWWW
full field
Heya :) New here and just butting in real rudely cause I wanna ask - if I wanna post a gameplay clip of Elysium, is that rather for the gameplay channel or the spoilers channel?
runic terrace
gameplay channel is fine!!
full field
gotcha thanks :3
paper pawn
yeee welcome
bleak osprey
i'm thinking about that edit of his portrait i made where he blushes yellow,,,
runic terrace
imagine getting picked up bc youre dead after the bond is forged and the grim reaper just has this HUGE smile hes trying to hide
bleak osprey
~~and then than's actual smile looks like 
~~
paper pawn
yes, because he feels zagreus running around with companion mort
runic terrace
THAN SMILES LIKE POLITECAT..... ITS GOOD
bleak osprey
oops i didn't mean it to be that big
runic terrace
we love a than
bleak osprey
LISTEN THE POLITE SMILE IS HILARIOUS BUT LOOK AT THE TEENY SMILE TOO
liquefy tool in photoshop is Good
paper pawn
THAN WE STAN
runic terrace
STANATOS....
paper pawn
THE CUTEST.
bleak osprey
hang on i'm just gonna
paper pawn
i wanted to feed him more ambrosia to see more awkwardness
bleak osprey
zoop zap
graceful wharf
Mort is also the cutest among all companion
runic terrace
younger than went around collecting souls WITH A PLUSHIE,,,,
unreal flax
huh a bit of a derail but do you know what color does the gods bleed? cause it sure aint red since alecto constantly gushes about that
paper pawn
god of death so lovable
runic terrace
i think gold?
graceful wharf
yeah he must have wreck all Tartarus to find his lost companion
runic terrace
also what i find so interesting is that like............... than is learning about what loss feels like via "lost my stuffed animal" and "my best friend is moving"
like hes DEATH but he doesnt understand what people are losing
until experiencing it in ways he can understand
paper pawn
it's part story of emotional maturity and family ties I love it so much
runic terrace
yessss
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YEAH
bleak osprey
"oh wait I'M losing things now this SUCKS"
runic terrace
YEAH!!!
solar depot
death is easy.....loss is hard
graceful wharf
enough, i yield
runic terrace
someone explain to than that seeing someone die is like "you know when zag decided hes moving out? that, but even less of a chance to see them again"
runic terrace
(sidebar, if zag gets out hes TOTALLY gonna tag along on thanny's work)
(try to lighten the mood 
)
paper pawn
i feel like one ending could be zag stays because the game's work is around building up your strained relations to everyone in the underworld
and fixing the broken house
like your broken relationships
full field
Little update on my gameplay post: I misclicked and posted it in the discussion channel. Good Start. I'm doing great 
_
unreal flax
999 conversation with your dad for the TRUE ENDING
bleak osprey
imagine your friend dies and when the grim reaper shows up one of your other friends is like OH HEY MAN
graceful wharf
yeah i want Zag to stay tbh
runic terrace
im almost thinking that endlessly toiling/doomed to remain is about zag going to be constantly leaving, spending some time upstairs, and then dying again
graceful wharf
he has spent hundred of hours into grinding those gems
runic terrace
almost like.... persephone.......
unreal flax
man what if you find your mom and she says she doesnt even want you
paper pawn
lkdjflskf i hope his mom actually cares about him
because that note she left
didn't mention him at all
runic terrace
i think unless/until hades himself changes his behavior the house of hades will always be unbearable
no matter how good everyone else is for him
AAA YEAH ;A;
bleak osprey
"mr zagreus sir why are you drinking poison" "well it's been a while since i saw cerberus, i have to check in on my favourite b-- 💀 " "seriously?"
runic terrace
YEAH
paper pawn
yeah i wonder if getting all 999 convos with hades will give us THE HAPPY FAMILY ending
i only dream of good things for poor zag
bleak osprey
hey at least thanatos comes to pick him up
paper pawn
yess
runic terrace
i honestly cant imagine a way for the hades conflict to end. like.......i really cant even imagine a way for it to feel satisfying and good im just like greg take the reins on this i have no ideas please make it good
like where could their relationship POSSIBLY end up thats........okay??? i dont know and im terrified!!!
paper pawn
YEAH
I really want him to somehow
reconcile with his dad
because it kills me seeing him always so hurt by everything his dad says
runic terrace
i want them to be okay but i dont want zag to have to excuse bad behavior yfeel
paper pawn
oh yeah totally
hades needs to do some deep thonking
about himself and how he's treated his son
solar depot
if he did stay i guess it's not like they have to like each other... hades just has to respect him
runic terrace
what we need is this steven universe song to happen
I don't need you to respect me, I respect me I don't need you to love me, I love me But I want you to know you could know me If you change your mind If you change your mind If you change your mind Change your mind
paper pawn
there was a line in one of their fights where zag says "you can't treat me like this" and hades says "i'll treat you how you deserve"
and i just
solar depot
lmdjfjf
runic terrace
:(((
paper pawn
- MY HEART*
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paper pawn
sobs into my disgusting, grubby, supergiant-games-filled hands
runic terrace
sameeeee
unreal flax
graceful wharf
we need our boi Hypnos to spread his positivity to the house
paper pawn
yes please, even if he gives awful combat advice
runic terrace
i still think abt that time hades yelled at hyp..... hades dont u dare hurt him
and another fun spin to all this is i dont think thanny has any clue how bad hades gets
paper pawn
yeah...
runic terrace
bc hes a: held up as a good example and b: rarely home
bleak osprey
"well he's never acted that way towards ME"
paper pawn
i think he has an inkling after one conversation where he stops himself before telling hades he and zag are together
runic terrace
so he thinks hades is kind of gruff and unlikeable but no big deal
paper pawn
but he's probably never seen it full blown bad
runic terrace
oh i havent seen that [i am looking away.png]
paper pawn
yeah it's after you romance him iirc, because i saw that one after i maxed than out
and hades was yelling at him
runic terrace
i think by being together with zag, now, he is going to hear a lot of offhand things from zag that make him go oh no
paper pawn
for helping zag
bleak osprey
let_me_in.gif but it's me wanting the Romance Content
runic terrace
😭
bleak osprey
let me in TO YOUR HEART,
runic terrace
zag is going to tell him a lot of 'funny stories' that than suddenly chillingly realizes are not funny
and hades is.........definitely escapeworthy
paper pawn
i heard you had to take damage early on in each layer to have a chance at than appearing later so
runic terrace
yeah
unreal flax
pls spg just sells me a dlc of than and zag being happy together
paper pawn
YES
runic terrace
hjgfvhfhjfhjfhj oh i had the than hook run down to a SCIENCE i just wasnt spawning his romance event for a while
PLEASE,,
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side note, if you think you can just copy in a save where you saw than until you get the right convesation! no you cant!
graceful wharf
does Than appear more when you max out his hearts, i always take at least a few hits in each level but he only constantly showing up recently
runic terrace
uhhh im not sure but maybe?
paper pawn
he seems so for me i see him all the time now
graceful wharf
yeah Than is overflowing with love now
paper pawn
a cutie every time, i like to think zag sneaks him a kiss before he leaves every time
runic terrace
AAAAH,,,,, YES GOOD
paper pawn
i am nothing but disgusting wailing for more sweet content
bleak osprey
let us not forget......... zag has two hands...........................
two hands and a big heart
unreal flax
paper pawn
+_+ oh yes
unreal flax
i wouldn't mind if they add a few more romance paths
paper pawn
interactions so sweet I'm going into shock
bleak osprey
☝️ reminder that when you get things from sisyphus hearts pop up
or at least they did before, i haven't checked to see if they still do now
paper pawn
it doesn't seem like it, but my real question is
when do we romance bouldy
just bring the rock home
hades is speechless
runic terrace
i think they still do! as do they for pat
graceful wharf
was just about to ask that
runic terrace
omg yes
zag going up to pat: fellas is it gay if your crush's beautiful boyfriend gives you a big kiss (of styx)
bleak osprey
achilles and patroclus also both have two hands.........
paper pawn
+_+ if that's an option zag is now everyone's boyfriend and a menace to hades' operations
bleak osprey
zag, surrounded by many gorgeous partners: do i actually still want to leave,,
paper pawn
i like meg, but i'm worried she isn't really into it? i think there was a memory that implied hades just like commanded meg to be your girlfriend basically, and there was that convo i skipped on accident about meg "making her feelings clear" on something
and it was a negative response from zag
graceful wharf
Zag is already a huge menace when he dared to seduce Hades biggest errand boi
runic terrace
meg was originally an arranged partnership, yeah! but i think if you go for her route its more about her realizing she has caught some feelings on her own time...
paper pawn
yeah it's super sweet aksldjasd zag such a charmer
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ZAG IS SUCH A CHARMER,,,,
he falls in love so easily and loves so much!!! its so cute
paper pawn
just one day the procession of souls slows down in the hall, hades squints, looks over and sees than leaving zag's room
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HGVHGFVHJFVHJ AAAAA NOOO
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his super giant heart, you could say
when he gets on the surface hes gonna have soooooo many new opportunities too jhfvhjfvhjfhj
graceful wharf
nooo my lieutenant, can i train Hypnos into collecting souls as a backup plan now
graceful wharf
yaaay
bleak osprey
it turns out death is much easier to bribe when all you have to do is yawn at him and he falls over asleep
paper pawn
i shake at how everyone is so well written i even like hades in the awesome character way
must have more
graceful wharf
also why isn't there any interaction between Nyx and Hypnos they are literally few steps away, or because Hypnos isn't Nyx's favorite child 😔
same i like Hades
paper pawn
yeah oh there was this one interaction
runic terrace
the way hades hades is written Kills The Kam i hate him but hes written amazingly well
bleak osprey
i always figured that was to avoid dusa getting sucked into the whole........ Thing,
runic terrace
nyx is a mystery...ive seen ppl spin it like "she knows zag is trouble and wants to keep dusa out of it- yeah
paper pawn
hmmmmmm
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i feel bad for hyp tbh
paper pawn
the family feelings are so deep qq
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they aare
paper pawn
i want to read it alllllllll where is more qqqqq
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JANUARY 21 WE GET EVEN MORE
paper pawn
VIBRATING
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if it is demeter, my guess is she thinks zag is perse at first
like she sees someone escaping the underworld and shes like "persepho- wait who are yooou??"
and zag is like YOU KNOW MY MOM????
paper pawn
why is she hiding from the olympians
what will they do when zag finally tells them why he's going to the surface
though artemis already suspects
it's something more
tremble with anticipation
runic terrace
ok but the olympians are gonna be soooo mad when they find out tho
and then theres chaos who knows and is gonna be 
graceful wharf
Artemis already suspects?
paper pawn
also everyone is avoiding the elephant in the room of why hades had such a huge falling out in the first place and no one will tell you about it
runic terrace
yesss
paper pawn
yeah there was a line when artemis says
she feels that zag is doing this out of urgency and asks
what he's really after
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aaaaaaaaa
bleak osprey
Something's troubled me a little, about you. You fight so desperately. At first I thought you simply lacked in patience. But now I see it's urgency that drives you. What is it that you're after, really...?
graceful wharf
oooh yeah i remember that now
paper pawn
yes that one bless the screenshot master
leave it to the goddess of the hunt and her preternatural instincts to suspect something's amiss
graceful wharf
so Artemis is the sharpest one, Zag uncles are still clueless
paper pawn
yep and athena is too busy being righteous to think about other possibilities
i love the slight implication in the codex that dionysus runs away from all problems and parties, too
all these beautiful nuances
such depth of character I cry
paper pawn
oh yes that one
what prompted it?
!!
i clicked back into the game and accidentally skipped it
so upset
graceful wharf
ah stupid me i didn't screenshot the prior convo but i think Hades mentioned how literally no one wanted to deal with Zag even Meg at first
runic terrace
because he is a terrible parent 😔
paper pawn
qqqqq
runic terrace
he is so mean!!! every chance he has to be mean he takes it
paper pawn
YEAH zag may be running away from home, but I'M throwing a temper tantrum in his stead!
graceful wharf
We are family boi, there is no escaping that
runic terrace
paper pawn
ugh, he says that but he sure as heck doesn't treat zag like family
the dog gets better treatment
runic terrace
the dog DOES
bleak osprey
oh now i have a screencap i can get the text real quick for you
runic terrace
honestly did u see that newer convo abt zag asking if he has any siblings
paper pawn
thank you!!! i lament the lack of visual novel style history log
oh god i remember that but not the specifics
bleak osprey
Hades: "I can be quite persuasive under certain circumstances, boy. Though my advice to you, not that you'll take it, is not to discuss the matter openly. Megaera is a professional; but she has made her feelings on the matter clear."
Zagreus: "Didn't think things could get any more awkward with her."```hades is like ONE ZAG IS BAD ENOUGHI WOULD NEVER WANT ANOTHER LIKE YOU or something
graceful wharf
oh i saw that, not sure if i screenshot it
paper pawn
ahhh ty!! that one wasn't horrible at least
freaking hades, be nice to zag!!
he would probably do everything under the sun for you if you treated him well
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he WOULD!!!
paper pawn
he's that kind of character qqqqq
graceful wharf
oh so mistook the dialogue with another convo
runic terrace
remember when he was like "father why dont you just...give me a job on the surface"
and hades is like HAHAH NO
LIKE HE WAS WILLING TO MEET U HALFWAY DUDE.....
paper pawn
he's trying so hard to be good everything is shot down
runic terrace
zag is so kind and desperate to be treated well!!!!
paper pawn
kfjlksdgjf persephone better give him a hug and tell him he did a good job
because his dad sure isn't doing it
spring yarrow
hug Zag
paper pawn
^^^^^^^^^
runic terrace
and it spills over into trying to push OTHER people into making up and it turns pushy without him realizing and [chef kiss hand] the characterization
YEAH,,,,
graceful wharf
well he did say that he take no pleasure from beating Zag up
spring yarrow
Guys, do you know how I can unlock Fully loaded and Black out ?
runic terrace
;;;; i bet perse is gonna be cold at first
spring yarrow
I reall hope dev will put all the text we could have skipped so we could read them again 😦
spring yarrow
Yeah, rare buggs for Artemis and Dyo
spring yarrow
But I'm at 53 tries 
bleak osprey
hold on, i might not have updated the wiki in a while but i can still help ;n;
graceful wharf
also i'm really curious about the huge grudge between Hades and Zeus
paper pawn
oh thanks for the wiki work if that's you! it looks really nice
oh yeah no one tells you about it
urgh
LET ME IN
to all these secrets
bleak osprey
At least one of: Peer Pressure, Numbing Sensation, Bad Influence, Blight Strike, Blight Flourish, Dionysus' Aid
AND at least one of these: Tipsy Shot, High Tolerance
as far as i can tell 🤔
that's for black out
spring yarrow
Ok 
when you play to the game in french and have to translate correctly the boon's names 
bleak osprey
his beard may be luxurious always cracks me up
it's always the beard that he comes back to
paper pawn
hades is so jealous of that beard
bleak osprey
what if that's the reason
spring yarrow
Btw : Than or Meg ? 
graceful wharf
deep lore
bleak osprey
zeus insulted hades' moustache once and now they have a bitter rivalry
paper pawn
y not both
spring yarrow
I WANT BOTH
graceful wharf
don't be greedy pick Than
spring yarrow
bleak osprey
yup!
paper pawn
+_+ YES
spring yarrow
Great
bleak osprey
they're both totally fine with it
paper pawn
spring yarrow
^
runic terrace
💛
spring yarrow
I love all the characters ||not you Hades|| so much
graceful wharf
woah blasphemy, Hades is everyone favorite and anyone who think otherwise is wrong
bleak osprey
paper pawn
spring yarrow
I mean, I like him, but the way he talk to Zag makes me 
runic terrace
YEAH
spring yarrow
But I love the way they designed each character, the gods mindset is so what I imagined for them xD
graceful wharf
common who wouldn't burst out of their chair laughing when they hear Hades bull-headed joke
paper pawn
omg i forgot that one say it again
spring yarrow
And I really REALLY love the fact that Hermes speaks quicker than the others 'cause he is the god of speed
graceful wharf
hold on i'm gonna find that screenshot
paper pawn
desperately playing the game to see more character interactions this is my life now
spring yarrow
I have a screenshot of sentences I really love but it's in french 
spring yarrow
It's when Megaera goes to the room of Zag, at the end of the dialogue
It's like "She's gone... Perfect. Great ! I imagine that all we gonna do is just killing each other."
I was like 
graceful wharf
she aint doing a very good job in killing Zag also
here it is, i should organize these more instead of scrolling through this sea of screenshots everytime
paper pawn
oooh i didn't get that yet, but one time i killed her and she says "keep... go..."
as she dies
it's so cute they root for zag
omg yes that joke
dad has a sense of humor, he just uses it for evil
spring yarrow
graceful wharf
also the Hydra has a family joke
paper pawn
LOL
spring yarrow
Yes
runic terrace
zag angry but laughing
spring yarrow
When you finish the boss xD
And goes to the next room
"You know this hydra had a family"
warm lantern
so what does hell mode change other than access to the pact first run in the morning?
graceful wharf
i think it's just that, not much change in hell mode
he cares more about the hydra family than Zag 😔
warm lantern
aight thanks
spring yarrow
My favorite sentences are Tysi's
warm lantern
wdym he cares for zag. he cant even let him go
he cant imagine a (under)world without him
paper pawn
ah yes tisi the fury of many words
hollow garden
"murder"
graceful wharf
let just pretend that Hades absolutely care about Zag
hollow garden
I found a bug once where it was Meg's voice line but Tisiphone was the profile
paper pawn
you forget mmmmmmurrrrderrr, mmm, mmurrr, murrrdererr
hollow garden
I did a double take cause tisi was speaking
runic terrace
tisi makes sense, dont we all have things we say automatically at work
its her customer disservice voice
runic terrace
jhfvhjfhjfhj
graceful wharf
who is more talkative, Tisi or Charon
spring yarrow
Mmmmmmmm ?
rapid zinc
Tisi
paper pawn
hrooooh
cunning needle
bouldy
graceful wharf
dang it i was about to reveal that
runic terrace
spring yarrow
Bouldy good boy
spring yarrow
#hades-suggestions Make Bouldy a love interest 
graceful wharf
i'm gonna push him of the cliff muahahaha
rapid zinc
Not even joking, I would like to smooch Sisyphus
paper pawn
bouldy's already a love interest, you just don't get to see the heart bar
runic terrace
same valor!!
paper pawn
oh i maxed out sisy's hearts but didn't get the "bond forged" screen
i wonder if it's to do with bouldy
max out bouldy
rapid zinc
Also, speaking of Charon, throwback to the best patch notes of all time
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/473685187780411405/657276042129571845/sketch-1560447478239.png
runic terrace
sisyzag is real, i have such a soft spot for him as zag's first friendly face outside the house ;w;
hff i wish there was a bond forged screen for sisy tho
paper pawn
IS THERE NOT???
runic terrace
i dont think there like is one...but i can DREAM
rapid zinc
That's only for Than and Meg
graceful wharf
what about Skelly with his intellectual pursuit
paper pawn
just zag in a happy home surrounded by the people he loves? HAPPY DREAMS
runic terrace
i will AAALWAYS love youuu (you is sisyzag)
rapid zinc
He gives off a little heart when you talk to him!
graceful wharf
can i ship Zag with flaming wheel
runic terrace
you sure can if you want to
graceful wharf
clearly those wheels just want a hug
cunning needle
what if zag’s godly domain is Friendship
runic terrace
TBH ITD MAKE SENSE
graceful wharf
then they explode in happiness
runic terrace
zag is the public universal friend
cunning needle
achilles’s theory that he’s the god of blood just makes me want to stitch together a photo compilation of zag’s orange laurels, the god of blood statement, and alecto calling him a redblood
cunning needle
no reason whatsoever 👼
paper pawn
so willing to do anything for his friends
cunning needle
he’s a god of being a good boy
paper pawn
YES
trim rock
best boy in the game is Cerberus though
cunning needle
zag escapes the underworld and becomes greek santa of alcoholic gifts
cunning needle
cerberus is best boys #1, #2, and #3
paper pawn
i just want to know that everyone gets good endings if you max them all out, even hades
runic terrace
aaaa i want a hug from zag, he absolutely gives good hugs ;w;
graceful wharf
a hug from Hades
paper pawn
if this culminates in a genuine hug from a hades who has changed for the better, it would all be worth it
bleak osprey
i feel like a zag hug would be Warm
graceful wharf
gotta grind that 999 convos to find out
paper pawn
qq i want someone to give zag a hug and tell him he did a good job dammit this is all i want
runic terrace
;w;
graceful wharf
Than probably
runic terrace
zag hug is warm and he kinda lifts you off your feet for a moment without realizing
he strong
paper pawn
yesssss his would be a cute hug
trim rock
Everytime I imagine a hug from Hades, I just see a suplex
bleak osprey
do you ever just think abt those lines than has where he says stuff like "we're going home" all soft and have to lie down for a little bit
runic terrace
;w;
paper pawn
qqqqqq
graceful wharf
i wonder if there is any other special interaction like the one where you bring the Yarn of Ariadne in Theseus fight
paper pawn
oh what does he say there? i never brought one in
graceful wharf
hollow garden
There's multiple yarn interactions if you keep doing it, and especially in the armored variant
graceful wharf
ah nice coming from the only and only amazing Theseus himself
hollow garden
There's also a fun one that serves as the conclusion for ||getting the Minotaur's autograph||
graceful wharf
oh shoot so i may have a chance to fulfill my boi Hypnos wish
paper pawn
gasp
bleak osprey
i can never make any progress on the autograph because i hate dying :c
graceful wharf
it's way cooler to die in the hand of the bull of minos than to die by stepping on some rare fungus
bleak osprey
but but but it takes so long to get to elysium just to throw it away 
graceful wharf
excuses excuses, Zag already said he intentionally died every single time just to meet Hypnos
spiral saddle
Is it just me or is the first encounter with eurydise a bit lackluster
or is it just because im only on like run 4 on my new file and orpheus isnt there yet?
fresh bough
i mean i only unlocked orpheus after 30+ runs and almost defeating Hades
i still have no idea what he does bc after unlocking him i had to go somewhere else
but for me all the three furies, on the first encounters, are a little bit too much
spiral saddle
yea
orpheus really is just music and a bit of plot with eurydise if i remenber corerectly
golden socket
After you unlock all the item upgrades (like keys giving you rerolls, etc.) with diamonds, is there anything else worth saving them for besides cosmetic upgrades and songs?
Or should I just spend 'em without worrying about it
jade smelt
the dialogs with than when u romance him is hilarious 🤣🤣|| than doesnt know how to express his feelings so he just being awkward and “yes feelins... what re we do now” ||
bleak osprey
he's doing his best, okay ;w;
atomic forge
whyyy is the omnilaser 20dmg per tick it bloooows
cunning needle
yet another run of encountering thanatos, beating him in the contest, and still no event back at the house
pour one out for me, boys
gusty stump
golden socket
Thanatos is just
runic terrace
F
golden socket
way too anime
runic terrace
hes SO anime
golden socket
that's why I hate him
atomic forge
What would the greek myth equivalent of manga even be?
proper cairn
sagas