Is the update out yet
#h1-story-discussion
rancid fern
ornate siren
no
faint socket
no, not til the afternoon pst
rancid fern
Ah ok
faint socket
probably noon-ish, but it depends
heady anchor
Worked a little more details https://imgur.com/YIrlirg
somber gull
Update thumbnail is Zag and Cerb from the back 🤔 🤞
flint bluff
i don't wanna kill him >:C
heady anchor
That's better? https://imgur.com/FZ5B48b
stark tulip
cerb is so BIG
heady anchor
I stretched the Cerberus exactly to the size of the shadow, so it happened 
vast thistle
DOOOGGGIIIEEEE
harsh sleet
next major update and all it includes is the ability to pet cerb
stark tulip
they spent two months perfecting it and it was worth it
faint elk
@harsh sleet well it is actually all we needed
sinful peak
Imagine the market research that goes into deriving the magnificent serum that is the perfect dog pat
That must be at least 25% of SGG’s budget
harsh sleet
go big with pats or go home
stark tulip
t minus a couple hours
cosmic crescent
@wild rain Hades is still, basically, an Olympian, given how he is Poseidons and Zeus' Brother.
Making a distinction of him as a Cthonic God, that being different from others would be kind of weird, based on just where he dwells.
bright void
Everyone in Olympus still believes that Nyx is Zag's mother, not Persephone.
Which is why they call him a half-god
hard fulcrum
The thing that bothers me is the red blood
wild rain
Yes, Hades was an Olympian. Maybe as @bright void said they don't know that Persephone is his mother.
hard fulcrum
Alecto tells us she finds it odd and there is that opening voice over where papa Hades basically says don't look into your red blood
I cannot reconcile that observation with Zag being a full God
bright void
I think Hades, Thanatos, Nyx, (and maybe Achilles) are the only ones who know that Persephone is Zag's mother. Maybe everyone else would assume that he should have "Fury' colored blood if Nyx is his mother. Maybe pure gods and humans have red blood.
hard fulcrum
I do suspect the mysterious benefactor to be Hades trying to teach (or maybe unlock) zag's godhood.
That may play into the red blood
We did get that one voice over about there not being a "god of taking back to me"
So going out on a limb maybe a godling needs to find a domain to be a god over before being a full God
cosmic crescent
@bright void Good pooint. Forgot that
The bit about Nyx, that is.
That aside, let us not forget the Narrator.
He also knows.
jade hinge
Nice. Zag can be the god of getting pissy at thanatos's mechanics
i'm with @frank glade
faint socket
hey, let’s not reference something like that here
sonic oyster
frank glade
Wait, did my post disappear or something?
runic terrace
yes- a moderator deleted it, as it went against the spirit of keeping it clean as we do here!
frank glade
Oh
kind raft
BASELESS SPECULATION TIME
mental musk
the best kind tbh
kind raft
||what if hades gives you boons in the last biome in an attempt to make amends/manipulate you that you can choose to either accept or turn down, the result of which would change the ending should you succeed||
vital remnant
That sounds awesome
frozen jolt
mental musk
well then im sorry bot
frozen jolt
||catch me turning one every single one out of spite and hatred||
mental musk
||hades seems too rude to ever do that tbph||
restive elk
The Big Onion is the best gift we will get I'm afraid
frozen jolt
it was true, red, but we shouldnt say it 😔
kind raft
||i wouldnt say hades is all that rude, at least not directly. both hades and zagreus have a knack for taking more subtle, toned down jabs at eachother||
bleak osprey
you don't need spoiler tags in this channel, just fyi
restive elk
I just dream that there ill be a Bad ending trigger somethere and Zag will be stuck on the Big H Onion Farm.
errant musk
Sea Monster really is the only choice here.
amber canyon
So, the name of the update seems to be "Big Bad Update"
cosmic crescent
Source?
brittle cave
EGS image
cosmic crescent
Got a link?
amber canyon
Yep
fluid rivet
Supergiant published the patch notes on youtube
brittle cave
Link for that?
fluid rivet
silver spade
hype
frank glade
Should I expect story spoilers in there?
cosmic crescent
WRATH REWORK LET'S GOOO
iron flame
There's mention of the fourth biome by name, but all other elements are kept very vague. 👍
frank glade
Great, I'm watching it now then
Thanks
Oh wait, you're a dev
Congrats on y'all's work
cosmic crescent
KNOCK BACK WORKS AGAINST BOSSES!
iron flame
Thanks very much! We're excited for everyone to see the update today. 😄
cosmic crescent
And trial of the gods has regular rarity again
bleak osprey
twin shot and sniper shot will be mutually exclusive and now i may die happy
frank glade
What, you didn't like taking sixty hours to charge a shot?
amber canyon
Oh, they actually increased base damage on explosive launcher?
bleak osprey
that cobmo didn't increase your charge time
it was just useless because twin shot reduces your range and makes sniper shot harder/impossible to get the damage boost from
amber canyon
Wonder if thats my feedback post or someone elses they listened to
frank glade
DOG PETTING CONFIRMED
How grand
amber canyon
Either way that change sounds good
restive elk
Welp looks like i'm stuck with a shield for 10 runs atleast
lunar kiln
those are some spicy patch notes
amber canyon
So, what does everyone think the final boss is?
frank glade
Cerb, 100%
lunar kiln
place your bets
restive elk
An adoption lawsuit.
frank glade
Either them, Hades, or Hercules
digital crag
yaaay new duo boons
flat saddle
dog is for petting not for murdering
west moat
it's cerb, is it? hhhhhhhh nope I don't like it
somber gull
updated artwork in the house of hades 
digital crag
yaaaaaaay knockback on bosses
frank glade
If it's Cerb I can guarantee that the petting is after you beat him
cosmic crescent
They nerfed the fight against Asterius and Thesseus
but buffed the Bone Hydra.
Thanatos encounters will be easier to win but still very frustrating when they show up.
frank glade
They nerfed Theseus? Thank god
somber gull
tbh im fine with that
cosmic crescent
Shorter biomes
frank glade
I might actually get to the final boss then
somber gull
I love the Hydra fight
hollow garden
HNNNNGH PATCH NOTES
cosmic crescent
Yeah, both Asterius and Theseus have lower health and there will be no more chariot spawns
digital crag
thank zeus
frank glade
The Hydra fight is hell, but it nails the fighting of multiple heads
lunar kiln
you'll notice every single god has 3 duo boons now
flat saddle
I think asterius/theseus really did need hp nerfs, that fight was so long
nice change
lunar kiln
besides hermes
amber canyon
Im thinking Cerb is somewhat likely
digital crag
it's fine 9 bloodstones was a lot
amber canyon
Since its the Big Bad Update
stark tulip
art drop boys!!!!! here we go
flat saddle
I think they were intending on adding duo boons for every possible combination right?
digital crag
kiss of styx nerf, fair enough
flat saddle
I'm interested in how much it's gonna be nerfed by
graceful ginkgo
https://imgur.com/a/JO30T7N full notes in image form
flat saddle
I pretty much spend my entire gold on high heat runs on kiss of styx lol
cosmic crescent
Only thing bumming me out is no changes/additions to the pact of punishment.
flat saddle
maybe next patch
west moat
cosmic crescent
@flat saddle Last Nerf was from 90 to 120
digital crag
PET THE DOG!!
cosmic crescent
Dog the pet!
graceful ginkgo
GOTY all year
wide wind
sgg finally giving the fans what they want
runic terrace
WHERES CANYOUPETTHEDOG
somber gull
@humble magnet you can now
graceful ginkgo
they need a gif for it
runic terrace
there will be a gif soon!! I hope!!!
wild rain
Holy moly they did it, brb gonna watch some patchnotes video!
hollow garden
We need this tweet stat from canyoupetthedog
graceful ginkgo
https://imgur.com/a/JO30T7N if you want it as images instead
bleak osprey
posting it once is enough
shut lantern
Something about his attacks
mental musk
aoe attacks less often
lunar kiln
than got nerfed
harsh sleet
my poor boy
hollow garden
than got nerfed thank the gods maybe I'll actually beat him
flint bluff
speaking while breatring in like i'm possessedI WANT TO PET CERBERUS
hollow garden
PET DOGGO
digital crag
he needed a nerf can't beat him beyond tartarus
runic terrace
IIIIIII WANT CERBERUS TO BE PET WITH ZAGS BIG STRONG ARMS
bright void
"In certain contexts"
vernal yew
Love how final battle doesn't specifically state the biomes boss will be the last fight
bright void
We're killing the dog
mental musk
^
stark tulip
I’m always excited to see which community suggestions got in
west moat
do you... do you have to fight the dog?
west moat
you don't have to fight the dog right
flint bluff
it will be great wolf sif all again
flat saddle
🐶
vernal yew
There was a screenshot someone showed which had cerbs model in a big room
bright void
They should have named this patch: "Old Yeller"
mental musk
its gonna happen
stark tulip
you can only pet cerb when he’s inside his special dog house
hollow garden
"red pls"
flint bluff
i already wanna cry
small stone
why must SGG insist on making my cry with all their games
flint bluff
poor boi
harsh sleet
Time to stock up on ambrosia i suppose
cosmic crescent
I mean, nobody whom we killed in the game stayed dead forever.
Neither will Cerberus.
grim oracle
oh my god i'm so unbearably hype 
cosmic crescent
It will be "rough" petting at best.
west moat
I don't like it! cerberus is not for fighting!
flint bluff
but how can you look at him before "killing" him?
harsh sleet
i cant wait for can you pet the dog to ask if we can pet cerb yet and we send a gif of cerb dying and zag gently petting him
bright void
It's already been sent
mental musk
stark tulip
like Marley and Me :(
inner slate
woah knock away works against 'boss-foes'
is that as huge as it sounds?
hades no longer the sad 3rd wheel of builds...
cosmic crescent
It might be.
mental musk
totally is gonna be
west moat
hopefully! it might actually make poseidon good
inner slate
posiedon has so much utility
mental musk
brosideon is gonna be great now
inner slate
if he has actual battle stuff now that would be sweeeet
hollow garden
Broseidon looking strong for this patch
amber canyon
Personally I dont like the Poseidon change
digital crag
there goes my opportunity to make a dio does what poseidon't pun
lunar kiln
the hype is palpable here
bright void
amber canyon
Knockback is more of a problem than a benefit against bosses
bright void
This was from back in Feb
digital crag
well i still have time so there you go, last minute pun
mental musk
im ready to see that same animation as we kill him
digital crag
could potentially be annoying on the hydra heads i guess
mental musk
because the art for the update is for the doggo
digital crag
you could pin any of the other bosses against the wall
lunar kiln
no i mean i was just enjoying the hype and you remind us
mental musk
and in greek mythos, cerb is the guardian of the gates of the udnerworld afaik
oh yeah sorry
just gotta remind you all we have to killt he bestest boi
cosmic crescent
I wonder how much shorter the old biomes will be.
All things considered, that is actually a bit of a nerf to the god-keepsakes.
flat saddle
i'm gonna miss the longer old biomes
cosmic crescent
I mean, I won't.
flat saddle
pierced butterfly :(
cosmic crescent
Leaving Tartarus is always the best feeling on a heated run imo.
hollow garden
Gotta build up the hype
frozen jolt
@humble magnet i have VERY good news for you, you can indeed now pet the dog in hades!
digital crag
oh heck they cut freak accident
frozen jolt
new duo tho
digital crag
good riddance i guess
onyx spoke
freak accident wasn't that good
onyx spoke
20 extra damage big whoop, we have something new now
digital crag
i know it was the second worst duo
cosmic crescent
@onyx spoke The big part here being that said Lightning procs everything Zeus has to offer.
Jolted, the legendary, you name it, your crits do it.
Well
Did it.
onyx spoke
new duo probably has lightning procs anyways
inner slate
what in the world is twitter discord...
digital crag
please be more interesting than "god A attacks proc god B effects"
cosmic crescent
That are most duo boons though.
Think the only exception here is Hunting Blades
Considering how much homing Artemis has in her kit, you might as well say that not even hunting blades is true.
digital crag
i mean something like merciful end at least makes you think a little bit
you'd want to alternate applying doom and have deflect on a fast attack
frozen jolt
what do you mean twitter discord?
faint socket
the can you pet the dog? twitter
bright void
How much is killing the dog going to change how you feel about the game?
cosmic crescent
I mean
digital crag
i have an hour to think of a new name
cosmic crescent
Hades is pretty much Dragon Ball at this point.
digital crag
i just don't think it's gonna be that grimdark
cosmic crescent
The game maybe will try to make you feel bad about someone dying later down the road
digital crag
nobody dies for real it's fine
cosmic crescent
but given how deatrh is an irrelevant concept in the game, no death will carry true emotional weight.
At best, you get a sour reaction out of the killed person.
digital crag
it doesn't carry the same emotional weight as death but it's often a narrative standin for something else
frozen jolt
man, idk, the fact that you have to go against someone you hold dear and kill them or be killed by them is already rough
the fact that theyre gonna be there to tell you how disappointed or saddened by that they feel is worse, isnt it?
digital crag
h
frozen jolt
please keep it clean here.
tired nacelle
people die when they are killed
cold canopy
bold take joanne
frozen jolt
they rlly do joanne 
cosmic crescent
Wasn't there a scene like that in Infinity War too?
With Thor, I seem to remember
frank glade
"Never fought me twice"?
bright void
Ok, I don't know how to phrase it in a "clean" way when it seems to be heavily implied.
shy glade
i lose my mind when there the pat cerberus dsjkdsa
cosmic crescent
@frank glade I mean in the dwarven smithery. There was some strange dialogue with that dwarf
stark tulip
Heavily implied might be an overstatement
frozen jolt
if its not suitable for all audiences, please dont phrase it at all! this is a server for all ages, and is supposed to be a friendly environment for everyone.
frank glade
Oh yeah, it did something something "you'll die!"
frozen jolt
guys, please...
digital crag
pg13 means you act like there could be 13 year olds around
this is a public space dude
frank glade
@frozen jolt , I get your point but at this point it's effectively just talking about what is in the game
bleak osprey
it’s really not
frozen jolt
may i direct you to the rules? #readme-first
stark tulip
games different from server anyways
bright void
We can just drop it, there's no way to discuss this aspect except in private messages.
cold canopy
Yes that'd be appreciated
stiff geyser
You can pet cerb in the new update?? I didn't think I could get more excited lol
next nymph
Cerb is a precious boy and i need to pet him
frank glade
Update is out folks
regal dirge
Yes!
rigid hearth
are we finally kiling that dog 😡
vernal yew
@tired nacelle Calm down there Shirou. Just because you're right doesn't mean you're correct
hollow iris
Let's go, guys!
graceful ginkgo
let's goooooooooooo
merry sorrel
doggy is here!
stiff geyser
I PET THE DOG
bleak osprey
okay, show of hands, who else immediately sprinted out of the blood pool to go pet cerberus
tardy cedar
I would but im not at home but also if i were id be too busy petting
kind raft
Does the game have an ending now or will that get added when the game is complete?
neat crow
No ending yet
onyx spoke
ending will be added on final release
neat crow
Check the Roadmap for info
tame bronze
drops everything that I am doing and runs to laptop
kind raft
Thats what i thought, just wanted to make sure
rapid zinc
I gotta see the new narrator end screen
If someone gets it before I do (likely, I'm out of practice) please link (with spoiler tags)
open panther
Two notes:
- Petting Cerberus is the most important update and I cant wait to get home now.
- If Cerberus is the final boss i will cry and quit
rigid hearth
killing him now makes the one last pet this much more memorable
frank glade
Can we already talk about the last biome?
rapid zinc
If you've gotten there already, yeah
neat crow
Yup, you can talk about it
I really like the return to close quarters, and the final arena is nice, too
tardy cedar
Who is the last boss, anyway
neat crow
The dead cultists on the steps in the Styx rooms is a nice touch
The boss is ||Hades||
tardy cedar
Kk
open panther
Thank christ I was legit worried
tardy cedar
Is the end screen similar to before or is it all fancy
neat crow
Well, you still "die" cause the story isn't complete, so it's the same
tardy cedar
Ok, is the dialogue a little different?
open panther
lol
neat crow
The convo with Hades when you get back is fun as usual
wind heart
neat crow
Yes, new dialog at the end
But y'all should probably just play and experience it firsthand ;)
onyx spoke
obols are important
amber canyon
Time to play Temple of Styx
lunar kiln
mhmmmmmm im waiting to see who gets to see styx's boss
somber gull
yes
onyx spoke
cthonic coin purse meta
so far my favorite keepsake selection has been God-Purse-Earring-Earring for the biomes
pale carbon
I saw Cerberus in the update pic and feared the worst (final boss)....but looks like it's just because we can pet him now? Phew! (If I'm wrong please don't correct me. I wanna find out myself tonight.)
merry sorrel
if you give cerberus ambrosia there is a long petting animation
onyx spoke
not relevant to the update but I love hermes' little 4th wall breaks
just had one where he points out that the timer stops when talking to people
neat crow
@runic terrace half on first or second phase?
frank glade
The petting animation is truly blessed
runic terrace
.......FIRST, APPARENTLY,
latent sorrel
amber canyon
Final boss Vanquished
Also, gotta say
Im not sure if its possible to beat him in high heat runs
sinful peak
I read that it was coming Friday like 15 minutes ago, am I going mad?
Either way, I crave the new soundtrack directly into my veins
amber canyon
I had a decent long-range build
Even with careful play, I had to burn through 2 death defies to win
The urn phase and the death blossom phase in particular seem impossible damage-less
cunning needle
i got hades down to half health on his second phase......Oof
cunning needle
also the temple of styx is so pretty i wish i lasted longer
amber canyon
Its pretty and very moody/creepy
Its certainly a nice level
Feels a bit short though
Its more of a victory lap than a full biome as it stands
Which I guess could be intended?
onyx spoke
breather level before you get annihilated
amber canyon
I was the one doing the annihilating actually
Of course I was a coward running 0 heat but still
onyx spoke
it's between T+M and ||Hades||, both of which can quickly kill you if you aren't prepared
cunning needle
i was so surprised when i only had to bring one treat for cerberus
amber canyon
Partially because I wanted gold
tawdry vale
just beat the game!
amber canyon
Partially because I wanted more
cunning needle
you'd think it would take three of them because three heads
amber canyon
I think itd be nice if we could get a bit more Temple of Styx
tawdry vale
op stuff but|| Hades|| still a challenge
amber canyon
Ill not write any feedback on the final boss til I have more runs done
Which uh, wont be for another couple weeks, because I got exams coming up 😦
And Vacation right after the first
wanton osprey
The text after the final boss of the new update is super funny when you start another run.\
somber gull
study hard, reward with run
brisk drift
amber canyon
Anyway, some quick notes to the boss:
The small bombs he drops need to be removed ASAP
cunning needle
i've only had time to do one run, is it possible to do more than one path in the temple of styx?
wanton osprey
I tried to screenshot my last run and it didn't save =/
bleak osprey
screams into my hands i just got past cerberus
and okay that's certainly a way to make an entrance
amber canyon
If you dont, they create an explosion that seems to do all your health in one hit (I had Hermes's regain health after dodge, and I was healed for 140)
Im not sure how the explosion can be avoided, but apparently it can be
When he goes invisible, you can see his position if one of your casts dislodges
Since it dislodges from where he is
... actually this should go in gameplay, shouldnt it
wanton osprey
24:33 I think was mine. Artemis crit boom shield + Like a level 5 Zeus Epic Wrath decimated the final boss.
wanton osprey
I also did all the rooms on the final floor too, cause I wanted to see what popped up if you did them all
next nymph
i almost got it with Artemis Special Sword
stiff geyser
I know the timer on hermes item changed but what are the actual time values for the different rooms?
cold canopy
yea i feel that tbh
restive elk
I WAS CLOSE AS THAT H
HE WAS LITERALLY TICKING DOWN WITH POISON
Those vases with 4-chaners He summons...
lyric solstice
well got hades thanks to atena«s special with increased duration just carrying me xD
was close though
bleak osprey
a good minor detail from the new biome: apparently cerberus sheds a lot because his fur is all over the floor in there
amber canyon
It isnt?
Pretty sure given that they call ||Hades|| the final boss, it in fact is the last biome
cosmic crescent
I mean, the way they treated Zagreus after finishing the fight speaks volumes.
Underworld Renovations.
The narrator pretends that Hades clobbered me
And Hades doesn't even remember the fight.
amber canyon
I mean, thats not because its not the last biome as much as its because its not the end of the story
Were a good deal away from that
coral canyon
https://twitter.com/CanYouPetTheDog/status/1158818379094011905?s=19 god i love this game
tall ingot
Loool, what. I took all power up before taking the one with gold... 🙄 Haha
bright void
This team gets troll of the year award
frank glade
Oh yeah
Get rekt dad
small narwhal
The emotion that last fight evokes ;-;
frank glade
It's damn good
I agree that it's not going to be the last fight in the game by release, though
Unless they wildly change some stuff around
onyx spoke
they said fourth biome, not last biome 👀
frank glade
My money at the moment is going to something either at the doors of wherever Persephone is, or Olympus
With the enemies being Olympians
If we get bossfights with the other gods I'm going to die and not ever fight Artemis, thanks.
pallid hill
Whos the boss in Styx?
frank glade
Daddy dearest
atomic forge
||Hades.||
pallid hill
WOAH
frank glade
I had Sans PTSD for a while there honestly, but he's not that tough
Theseus pre nerf was worse
pallid hill
So does zag basically escape once beating him or nah?
atomic forge
Same thing, he walks through a "special" door and we get the narrator talking about another death.
frank glade
He escapes, but it's narrated away
And then we have something about ongoing underworld negotiations
Again
pallid hill
Hm ok
frank glade
The boss theme SLAPS though
atomic forge
RIGHT?
next nymph
https://imgur.com/a/HKc6yib UNDER 25 MIN its my record
onyx spoke
"hey, we took No Escape and made it even cooler"
atomic forge
Darren Korb would be my favorite musician altogether if The Mars Volta didn't exist. I can't get through Paper Boats without sobbing at least once or twice.
Nice!
cloud jackal
Just heard the news, so hyped to try for myself!
frank glade
He's so bloody good
And he's been surpassing himself for this game, King and the Bull's riff is incredible
atomic forge
He finally made an out-and-out rock soundtrack and oh my goood.
hallow oasis
The most important thing about this update is that you can finally pet the dog and please tell me someone has informed that twitter
that you can now pet the dog
atomic forge
CanYouPetTheDog posted today about it.
hallow oasis
Good. All is well.
frank glade
The mix between the acoustic parts and the rock parts is beautiful
I'm borderline disappointed we haven't gotten an Orpheus song yet though
atomic forge
Besides his two songs he plays in the House?
atomic forge
Really?
frank glade
He's not even spawning anymore, my last interaction with him was him asking about what I'd like him to play and he says "Yeah, good song but am sad"
atomic forge
Once you give him at least 5 Ambrosia.
frank glade
Ooooh
amber canyon
I just noticed that the new witch models show you what their attacks do on their weapons
atomic forge
New Witch models are very nice.
frank glade
Yeah I might as well give it to him then when he next spawns
amber canyon
The Asphodel Witches have like a trident, the Elysium witches have a staff with what looks like a sun on it
frank glade
The portraits didn't use to be animated, right?
atomic forge
Nope.
frank glade
It's a damn nice little detail, too
Ares blinking and his sword reflecting light in particular
atomic shale
wow i don't want to play the game anymore
atomic forge
I was gonna make a pun about Dionysus involving slang, so I'll just say Dio looks absolutely awesome.
atomic shale
if the boss is what i think it is
atomic forge
Just play.
onyx spoke
just play
frank glade
Most likely, they kinda bamboozled us
atomic shale
yea but im bad so i cant get to it
frank glade
Spoiler is a little up in this chat, if you want to know
atomic shale
nah im fine
lunar kiln
who wants to see whipped frenzy ||hades||
hallow oasis
also hahaha it being deep winter despite Persephone supposedly being back on the surface. That's not a bad sign or anything.
lunar kiln
well actually it doesnt really count because i had heart rend which slows down projectiles by 50%
atomic forge
That's Spent Spirit.
amber canyon
Spent Spirit?
lunar kiln
aphro x athena boon
lunar kiln
slows down projectiles by 50%
atomic forge
Doesn't require you to Weak anything first, just slows everything down.
lunar kiln
i only recorded the 2nd phase bc it's the exciting part
atomic forge
The music for the second half of the fight is SO GOOD.
dry sundial
love that classic videogame "it's the title music but more emotionally charged" final boss battle theme
cold canopy
i can never get tired of it honestly
regal dirge
i did it.
i almost died at the very end but Ares ult saved me
Now i have to somehow sleep because work is in 8 hours
=(
dry sundial
I'm really excited to have the new music on youtube/spotify so I can listen to it 24/7
silk tundra
The Hades boss was briliant i didnt guite expect the second form
amber canyon
Wait, isnt winter supposed to be when Persephone isnt with Demeter?
lunar kiln
there it is
amber canyon
Although, I guess we expected as much
My guess is, the story will be all about why persephone left, and where to
shrewd sail
I'm going to say it guys... Supergiant has now added the best feature in this game.
You can now pet Cerbereus... Gods that is amazing!
tall ingot
The Hades boss was briliant i didnt guite expect the second form
Yeach, it would be better if he just do that at half health instead having 2 health bars. I put all affords to kill him and lost a bit health and then... I could play a bit more safe intead.
dry sundial
two health bars is a staple of great boss fights and I'm so glad the second phase is a surprise!
onyx spoke
the second phase is really good
it clearly defines that this is now the second part, it doesn't make the health bar seem too large to kill, plus it surprises you and allows for the midfight dialogue
cosmic crescent
Yeah, two healthbars are much better than one huge bar.
tall ingot
and btw , when we are talking about health bars, can i bring feedback to be able to turn on enemies health bars always ON? idk why i cant write in feedback section
dry sundial
you can check the pinned post in the feedback section to post there!
also I in no way expect this but now I want to go to olympus and do bastion/transistor-style god challenge minigames for extra collectibles
or even just a chance to thank the olympians for having my back!
cosmic crescent
Went with the shield too
Got wrecked with the bow though.
That weapon and I just don't get along.
hollow garden
oh welp time to update my duo boon page
silk tundra
sry alex u werent first to finish tho i didnt take a screen shot to prove it 
silk tundra
i used adamantine gun and used the 80 dmg per hit and i used the god of war power i did like 160 dmg whit one auto attack
brazen topaz
I was wildly underprepared for the Hades fight... my usual build of infinite gun + blight strike + heart flourish for the damage boost of multiple status effects did approximately jack
robust rivet
hey guys don't know if i'm in the right channel but did they add a new song mixed with Hymn to Zagreus ? Never heard it before but it was GOOD
frozen jolt
yes!
frank glade
The final boss' theme you mean?
robust rivet
No, it was during a regular fight, don't remember wich diome tho
frozen jolt
gates of hell?
frozen jolt
i mean the song hehe
frozen jolt
psst, you guys should subscribe to the supergiant newsletter, youll get links to the music earlier than they become publicly available!
graceful ginkgo
I can't stand the bow personally
atomic shale
yea but it's cool there's a big sho
robust rivet
Found it, it was The House of Hades lol don't how i missed it
shrewd arrow
that was amazing
Hades
My guy
You just get destroyed
and then pretend it never happened
tardy cedar
but he's a nice dude
tired sapphire
So whos the final boss?
shrewd arrow
I wouldnt be surprised if we could fight ALL the olympians
tall ingot
father
cosmic crescent
I got Dionysus/Poseidon
inner slate
that's the one i'm most curious about...
inner slate
from then on you mean?
cosmic crescent
Yes.
inner slate
access, indeed...
the new artemis+zeus turns uncollected casts into 'lightning rods' which deal X dmg every 1.5 sec
kinda like a narrower, harder to target festive fog....
tired sapphire
is the final boss up on youtube at all or anywhere else
boy golly I gotta plpay this
bleak osprey
does anyone else keep drinking the cure fountains after the room's done hoping zag will say funny things
inner slate
anyone get/try the aphordite/posiedon one?
i'd try to find the description in the game files but i'm too tech illiterate to accomplish this...
amber canyon
So, speaking of that, whats everyones bet on why Persephone vanished
onyx spoke
not sure
cosmic crescent
She's a nature god, she enjoys a good spring time and the underworld is damp and dark.
She needed some fresh air.
amber canyon
My bet is it has something to do with Demeter
Despite Demeters obvious connection to the story, we have seen neither her, nor her weapon so far
onyx spoke
here's the disturbing thing
how long has she been gone
there's a dialogue from hades that mentions that it has been snowing ever since she left, and zagreus has no memory of her, and they live forever...
amber canyon
And I think the reason her weapon is so distant in terms of release from the previous ones is because it will come with her update
cosmic crescent
Where Persephone is/was, there was spring.
west moat
interesting note - persephone being outside of the underworld, and it being winter, is correct
cosmic crescent
When Hades robbed her and took her to his place, a long and lasting winter broke out for the very first time.
west moat
or possibly myths exist for both versions
cosmic crescent
Because Persephone was unhappy in the underworld and winter sucks, they ended up having her be down there only for a part of the year.
west moat
so it doesn't actually mean anything useful
amber canyon
Yeah but that was Demeters doing
cosmic crescent
Introducing the winter.
NOW!
Consider the weather when you meet Hades outside.
It is snowing.
It is winter even though it should be spring with Persephone being outside!
tardy cedar
Yeah
frank glade
I mean, I know we're all assuming it's winter
But it could just be a mountain
There's no "official" location for Hades' gates' location
cosmic crescent
That seems far fetched.
Although I like the idea of Hades being like "Screw these olympians, I'mma go get myself my own mountain!"
frank glade
Greece is 90% mountains
frank glade
I mean, river springs are on mountains
amber canyon
Not Styx from what I recall
onyx spoke
Hades actually does mention the snow
amber canyon
Anyway, my guess is Demeter is why Persephone left
onyx spoke
I don't recall the exact dialogue but he acknowledges that it's been snowing for a while
unless I'm a dummy head and misremembered it
frank glade
He does?
I don't remember that, but I was too hyped to focus
onyx spoke
I might be misremembering, it was the second dialogue I got from him and I've been fighting him a lot
bleak osprey
he does mention it
but he doesn't say how long it's been snowing for
give me a moment, i'll pull up the text
tardy cedar
"it's been 84 years"
inner slate
i think the details might be tweaked to match whatever story SG ends up going with
onyx spoke
guys what if the war is because of the snow
inner slate
the myths can be fudged
west moat
it's probably snowing because she's not in hell
inner slate
so i wouldn't say the signs we see so far point to one conclusion definitively
bleak osprey
Hades: You still have yet to see the sun itself. You know only the light of Ixion, but the sun? It is positively blinding. Hideous.
Zagreus: It has been snowy nightfall every single time now that you mention it. I didn't know it snowed so much up here.
Hades: It hasn't always. But, that's of no consequence to us. Especially when there's a raging battle to be fought.
ok, so it wasnt always this way
amber canyon
Nah, the snowfall is Demeters doing
She doesnt care if Persephone isnt in the underworld, hell she would prefer it that way
It means Persephone isnt with Demeter
tardy cedar
I'd kinda like it if it's actually a byproduct of the sadness of Hades
frank glade
Yeah, that messes with the mountain idea then
amber canyon
Possibly Demeter was trying to get revenge on Hades or something? And Persephone left so that she would stop, but didnt want to go back to Demeter
Which would also explain why Hades has such a grudge on the Olympians
tardy cedar
Are we sure Hades is actively mad at the Olympians?
cosmic crescent
What is it with your fixation on Demeter?
frank glade
He is, he's constantly calling them names and stuff
amber canyon
Demeter is almost certainly the cornerstone of the story
She is central to the myth, central to the snowfall, and likely central to Hades's grudge
And the fact that she has yet to truly be mentioned despite the fact that her weapon will be the sixth one indicates something
frank glade
Whoa, hold it
When did they say that?
tardy cedar
Do we know it'll be her weapon?
hallow oasis
So for whatever reason Persephone left, but it wasn't to return to her mother. So probably not the Olympians either. Which is HM. There's also some implications that a massive war and bloodshed has been happening for some time, as the underworld is more crowded than it used to be, hence Hades complaining about having more work than ever
hallow oasis
Not to mention the temple of styx is completely in disrepair and looks to have been unattended for a very, very long time
cosmic crescent
@hallow oasis #UnderworldRenovations
I mean
We do not have Hera.
She has been mentioned but that is all.
amber canyon
The bow is her weapon
wanton osprey
Wait which weapon is which?
amber canyon
Sword is Poseidon, Shield is Zeus, Spear is Hades, Bow is Hera, Gun is Hestia
bleak osprey
unovven, please, i'm begging you, if you're stating something based off of speculation, make sure it's clear that it's not actually confirmed because otherwise you're going to confuse a lot of people
amber canyon
Im pretty sure one of the weapon descriptions talks about the six weapons of the six elder gods
hallow oasis
Ragnarok is the NOrse Gods shingdig but I do have to wonder if some massive apocalyptic war has occurred, especially with Hades referring to Olympians killing each other.
cosmic crescent
@amber canyon The Bow is Heras.
And the rail is Hestias, if anyone cares about that.
hallow oasis
....if that's the case I love that they gave the Goddess of Minimum Drama the gun
amber canyon
Yeah the Sword talks about it
"Back when the six elder gods sealed the Titans in the deepest recesses of Tartarus, that blade evidently played no small role in their success."
amber canyon
And each weapon talks about their elder god driving back the titans
frank glade
I feel if Demeter was going to be important to the story a mention would have appeared by now
cosmic crescent
Yeah.
amber canyon
And were confirmed to be getting six weapons
cosmic crescent
That Demeter Theory is something to keep in mind, but seems like a very red horse to mee.
Or is it a red hering?
amber canyon
Red herring would be the phrase
cosmic crescent
The fish then.
amber canyon
Whether she is relevant to the story or not I dont know, I guess so
That the sixth weapon will be hers is practically guaranteed
wanton osprey
I'm still surprised we got Daedalus Hammers instead of Hephaestus.
cosmic crescent
If you here hooves trampling
bleak osprey
hestia: the very essence of "ladies do not start fights but they can finish them"
cosmic crescent
think of horses, not Zebras.
frank glade
Red herring, can confirm
It wouldn't even be that, since it's not a misdirection by the writer
cosmic crescent
For the moment, all we know is that it's snowing for a long time
tardy cedar
i think hestia would both start and finish fights
hallow oasis
I wonder if the Gods ended up at war with each other a la the Illiad, but ten times worse, and Persephone got tired of staying in the 'safety' of the Underworld from it
cosmic crescent
meaning that something is up with Persephone
amber canyon
Hestia is more the very essence of "I wont Hesitate *****"
frank glade
@wanton osprey , my money is Hephaestus being planned
cosmic crescent
meaning that looking out for her will be a thing.
amber canyon
Also I dont know if I agree that us not getting a mention of Demeter yet means she wont be relevant
Were still a ways away from the story
Dropping hints too early would be unwise
hallow oasis
The gods whose love made the seasons.....
tardy cedar
ok, heres a question, owen: why doesnt demeter know where persephone is
tardy cedar
right, but it's not everyday that someone escapes from Hades
frank glade
As we can bloody attest
tardy cedar
so Persephone would have left some sort of a trail when she got out
amber canyon
I mean, Persephone walks out of Hades every year
tardy cedar
in the myths
amber canyon
She couldve just walked out one time with no intention to go to Demeter or to return
wanton osprey
@frank glade https://imgur.com/a/t2CWvAR
tardy cedar
we don't know if thats how it goes here
wanton osprey
4 Biomes is confirmed to be all we get
amber canyon
Id be surprised if they changed that fundamental of a plotpoint
hallow oasis
One story character left
amber canyon
Though I dont think Persephone "escaped" from Hades either way
Hades himself was able to get to the very exit, Thanatos practically goes in and out of it
cosmic crescent
@wanton osprey It's confirmed to be all we got for the current/previoous road map.
The game itself confirmed that there will be more.
amber canyon
Someone with her power and position likely can just walk out as well
hallow oasis
She left him, from her note. But I still wonder about the context. We're led to believe she got sick of him, but given the state of the living world I now wonder if there were more extenauating circumstance
cosmic crescent
After #UnderworldRenovations
amber canyon
Hell, perhaps she took his helmet of darkness to be unseen, and left it at the edge
wanton osprey
They confirmed it in the stream today, I'm 90% sure.
tardy cedar
right, but even if Persephone had free walking privileges its not often that people go out of Hades
wanton osprey
They just didn't want to add in the ending until the game is released
1.0 is released*
hallow oasis
Also I note the Olympians don't seem to know Zag wants to see his mother, nor do they ever make mention of her
cosmic crescent
They think that Nyx is his mother.
They are completly unaware of his relation to Persephone.
wanton osprey
^ I think Persephone caused a war between Hades and the rest of the gods, or something along those lines.
tardy cedar
What if Demeter is hiding Persephone
hallow oasis
And it's not something Zag's disclosed. Of course, they also don't seem able to communicate directly to Zag either. As those messages are very one way
tardy cedar
Because the gods want something from Lord Hades
and would be willing to use Persephone as a bargaining chip
amber canyon
Kidnapping and Extortion?
frank glade
Wait, the messages aren't one way
amber canyon
Curious idea, but then why is there eternal snowfall?
frank glade
You have a discussion when you gift ambrosia
cosmic crescent
I mean, there isn't really a "war" going on. Hades is just on bad terms with his family because Zeus cheated him into having to take care of the underworld.
tardy cedar
No, there is a war going on
amber canyon
The main reason I assume Demeter is somehow responsible and Persephone is hiding from her
hallow oasis
Yes, but they're more like. Hm. Emails, then chat, I guess
harsh sleet
thanatos mentions the war
amber canyon
Is precisely because of that eternal snowfall
harsh sleet
owo
frank glade
A war is confirmed to be going on, it's the reason for Than to be away
hallow oasis
And all of the paperwork
cosmic crescent
Ares is like "Yo if a War would help you I'd create one! though..
amber canyon
Hades does not really have any armies under his command
tardy cedar
The gods could still be involved in a war among mortals
amber canyon
I dont think he ever meddled in mortal affairs?
hallow oasis
Hades has every single hero who has ever died
but he also has considered himself above whatever conflict is going on
he says as much
he wanted to stay out of whatever they were doing
tardy cedar
what if the gods want Zag
hallow oasis
so my guess is they were hoping he'd get involved
tardy cedar
They certainly try to court him
amber canyon
Hm
But then who are they fighting against?
I cant imagine its the titans or a threat like that, because Hades would get involved
tardy cedar
I mean like, if Zag is half the fighter he is in the Underworld, he could allow a god to make a power play
amber canyon
Much of his prowess comes from gods boons however
hallow oasis
They could be fighting each other. Again, the Trojan war was ostensibly between men, but the Gods got involved through it CONSTANTLY.
amber canyon
And even with them, Hades is a challenge
They could be, yes, but we have had the gods interacting with each other a fair deal
cosmic crescent
Remember that it was Nyx who got the olympians involved in the first place.
amber canyon
There doesnt seem to be any obvious ill will between them
tardy cedar
Hades is fighting to not lose the last link to Perspehone
hallow oasis
See also: the great scene where Athena knocks Ares flat, Aphrodite goes to fuss over him, and she knocks ehr down too and they run off crying
Actual scene in the Illiad
atomic shale
yo that makes alot of sense @tardy cedar
amber canyon
I guess the gods could be fighting the gods we havent seen
tardy cedar
They call each other bad names in Trials
atomic shale
do they?
tardy cedar
or at least demean the others sometimes
amber canyon
I have 2 guesses I think could have legs
atomic shale
oh by the way lads
amber canyon
- theyre fighting Demeter and whoever is allied with her to stop the eternal snowfall she is causing
atomic shale
sorry to derail the dicussion
hallow oasis
And yeah, I still question Nyx's motives. She IS a surviving Titan, which is a fact the game presses a couple of times. Hades even warns her that she remains outside of the prison by his grarce
amber canyon
Or, more likely, 2), the mortals are fighting over the ever-diminishing resources caused by the eternal snowfall
hallow oasis
But she is night itself and far older and moreprimordial than him
atomic shale
but does anyone know what hypnos and achiles say whn u beat him first time
hallow oasis
as she is one of Chaos' direct daughters
atomic shale
she isnt
hallow oasis
She's a primordial god
atomic shale
Nyx. Nyx was a primordial deity in Greek mythology that preceded the Titans and the Olympians, and was the personification of the night. She was the daughter of Chaos, out of which all creation originated, and the sister of Erebus, Gaea and Tartarus.
her wiki entry
cosmic crescent
Chaos, now there is another variable that is hard to quantify.
hallow oasis
But Hades DOES warn her to stay on good behavior
amber canyon
All these quarrels and conflicts are of no relevance to them
hallow oasis
so she has her own agenda
amber canyon
They are merely observing
And giving Zag choices to make the observations more interesting
tardy cedar
hm, actually, why does Nyx want Zag to escape
hallow oasis
Now, I know we're not going full Orphic (thank goodness for that)
but I also can't forget that Zag IS a God of Rebirth in some traditions
amber canyon
I imagine because she cares for Zag?
hallow oasis
so maybe him escaping will restart the world now that the Gods have messed it up warring with each other
tardy cedar
Right, but escaping Hades comes with a lot of side effects, likely
hallow oasis
Go the full Bastion, Zag
frank glade
Why would they do that
atomic shale
that's not how it works
frank glade
Being lord of Hades is apparently awful
amber canyon
Right he got stuck with the worst job
atomic shale
yea
amber canyon
Besides you cant transfer powers like that
tardy cedar
I wouldn't put it past the Greek gods
cosmic crescent
@frank glade You are being stuck with running a business you don't care about while your family members whom you hate and who have cheated you are having the time of their lifes.
hallow oasis
He got stuck with that job. IN some versions the Gods drew lots to determine which got which realm, and Hades ended up with the Underworld.
atomic shale
i was about to say something else but i forgot we can't swear
frank glade
Yeah, that's me point
merry sorrel
if it's possible to fetch a box of persephone's beauty/death, it should be possible to transfer power/role
amber canyon
I think thats the version the game went with as well
frank glade
Why should said family members want to overthrow Hades
amber canyon
Zeus or Poseidon mentions it
hallow oasis
The thing is by his nature Hades is a god of the underworld, but also a god of extreme wealth since he also represents the bounty of the earth.
Hence the gemstones in all of his stuff
he governs ore, gemstones, anything that comes from the earth
the also very particular thing to remember is he's not the God of Death, that's Thanatos, but rather he precides over the land. So he is in all functions the administrator more than anything else.
atomic shale
wasnt poseidon a chtonic god for a while tho
past cape
goddamed, second stage
hallow oasis
So edepicting him as an exhausted annoyed bureaucrat is pretty spot on for the game
past cape
the what
lost gorge
he pranked me so hard
atomic shale
there's a second stage?
atomic shale
i didn't even get him to 3/4 hp
past cape
i died like 5 seconds in
lost gorge
he pranks you hard
past cape
in second stage
lost gorge
i am empty
frank glade
The second phase is relatively squishy thankfully
lost gorge
it took so long to get there
tardy cedar
maybe as they expand the story they have hades do literal pranks so it makes more sense later
hallow oasis
Hades is also very much a law abiding God, a stickler for the rules, even. T
past cape
his spear move is to wide, tbh
lost gorge
loving the song tho
frank glade
The song SLAPS
hallow oasis
To the point that it is sometimes debated that Orpheus main crime wasn't trying to defy death, it was not taking Hades as a god of his word, and doubting he would really let Eurydice go
lost gorge
yea
past cape
unless you time your dodge perfectly - you ate like 50 dmg
merry sorrel
I thought hades was basically cruel version of captain ray holt
frank glade
It's yet another time Korb has decided to bless us
lost gorge
bringing back the tartarus leitmotif was soooo cool
hallow oasis
So, yeah. He's an overworked god trying to do his damn job.
amber canyon
Oh
Ohhhh
I think I have an idea who the next NPC is gonna be
And Im kinda excited
past cape
sorry, was no able to enjoy the song because of me crying over existence of second stage
atomic shale
btw lads
lost gorge
yeah
past cape
yeah, trail
atomic shale
or do you just wait and react,
lost gorge
footsteps
amber canyon
Footsteps but theyre hard to see
atomic shale
yea they're really hard to see
amber canyon
If you have a cast in him and it dislodges
lost gorge
^
amber canyon
It dislodges from where he is
tardy cedar
whats your idea, owen?
amber canyon
Im checking something real quick first
atomic shale
has anyone beat him btw
amber canyon
Yup
lost gorge
who?
past cape
also, new duo booms with aphrodite are... op at least
amber canyon
I have
lost gorge
bruh
frank glade
I beat him on the second try
amber canyon
Couple others as well
tardy cedar
i got him first try
atomic shale
i got the new zeus athena duo
amber canyon
First try, with Defiances to spare
atomic shale
where ur athena cast bounces
frank glade
Easier than pre-nerf Theseus imho
atomic shale
pretty neat imo
past cape
you are too cool for this chat
hallow oasis
I beat him on the first try but that's ostly because I hid behind the shield a lot
tardy cedar
same, muun
past cape
we are here crying, don`t interrupt us
amber canyon
I was using spear so I didnt have that privilege but
atomic shale
oh does he have any special dialogue if u go to him using spear?
frank glade
I got lucky on the second try and had a bow build that pretty much allowed me to avoid damage
past cape
have no idea how to use shield btw
hallow oasis
I have no idea how to beat him without the shield though
past cape
so rail ftw
hallow oasis
because that AOE laser attack is insane
amber canyon
So, here is my idea
past cape
just build special
frank glade
The laser attack is dodged by getting the hell out of dodge
amber canyon
Weve got 1 Story NPC left to get
merry sorrel
,x
past cape
every boom i can find
amber canyon
Most likely that is the NPC we will get
past cape
with x3 shots
frank glade
Don't say Demeter
atomic shale
what ab keepsakes tho
past cape
artemis
amber canyon
And there is one character who has been here from the start, and who has been involved every step of the way, who has yet to get an NPC
past cape
are the best