not like she went out of her way to petrify anyone
#h1-story-discussion
frozen jolt
i think shes The Medusa but we will see, i guess, if it ever gets brought up
candid bear
She could have just worn a blind fold
keen pasture
that theseus yarn reaction is so worth it š
wraith aspen
Hades mentions that Herakles should be in Tartarus, and that he's an hero in deeds and not character.
Is this Hades being biased or do you think this version of Herakles is really a douche?
visual laurel
I think Hades personally dislikes a lot of heroes in Elysium
he follows that up with Elysium being for great people, not for good ones
wraith aspen
That is understandably as Greek heroes aren't alway comic hero good guy. Makes me wonder if Jason and Medea will ever show up as that's an entangled case if I ever saw one.
bright void
I think Jason and Medea are a bit obscure for most people.
Other major characters that most people have heard about: Perseus (which if Dusa is the real Medusa, this could be an interesting talk), Apollo, Hermes
wraith aspen
...Huh?
bright void
"Jason and Medea will ever show up". I'm not sure how many more characters they're thinking of introducing
But it seems that of major greek lore characters, they're not often thought of
wraith aspen
How is the Captain of the Argonauts and "Hell hath no fury as a women scorned" obscure?
I have a feeling Medusa and Perseus have a good chance of showing up considering how many of the developers stated how it was their favorite myth.
bright void
How into greek mythology are you
wraith aspen
Decently so. Depending on who it is.
Couldn't name all of Herakles feats, but I could cite numerous variations of Atalanta's myth.
bright void
See, and that's why you feel "Jason and Medea are so known!"
I sure as hell had no idea who they are, but I knew of Apollo and Hermes.
wraith aspen
Greek Gods are something even regular joes off the block will know.
Their Roman counterparts though. Not so much.
bright void
Yeah; and that's why I think by the end of it, they probably would end up in the game; would feel weird if "and joe off the street knows" isn't in the game but some obscure stuff is. Again, they're not done; so maybe there is room for many more characters.
wraith aspen
I mean if we're arguing obscure myths, we have Zagerius as our main character, someone I didn't even know existed.
visual laurel
That is kind of the point
Think how much more restrained SGG would be if at every turn they had to fight an entire audience's preconceived notions about what their protagonist should be like?
they're already fighting an uphill battle every time someone feels like a god's depiction is off
They want to tell an original story so they found a mythological figure who could be thematically relevant but didn't have Baggageā¢
wraith aspen
Honestly, every single God has been wonderfully done. I really can't call foul or OOC for a single one.
Besides Artemis fangirling over Achilles
But on the obscure myths, they can always add in DLC even after the main game considering this early acess has already shown how accommodating this game has been to content updates.
bright void
I don't know if DLC is a thing SGG does
wraith aspen
Like Lycaon, the first werewolf, would be a treat.
Or Diomedes...no one ever gives Diomedes the respect he deserves for being a complete badass.
bright void
Who?
bright void
Hmm.. it would be interesting if Homer was "the narrator"
hot cipher
i feel tantalus would also be a cool character to come across in Tartarus
wraith aspen
Tantalus or Midas
bright void
Daedalus feels a bit off for his item to be the one that upgrades things instead of Hephaestus
wraith aspen
Also, let me shine upon you on how great Diomedes was.
hot cipher
apart of me sees Daedalus as a kl way to later bring in Icarus
digital crag
once the dionysus discourse was jossed the hephaestus discourse is what we're spending time on now
wraith aspen
If Odysseus was the brains of the Trojans, Achilles and Diomedes were the brawn
bright void
What was up with Dionysus (in terms of this game)?
wraith aspen
What do you mean?
bright void
"once the dionysus discourse was jossed the hephaestus discourse is what we're spending time on now"
i'm assuming people at some point had issue with how SGG interpreted Dionysus
wraith aspen
Eh?
bright void
Who knows, janitaur said something
wraith aspen
@digital crag Why did people have problems with Dionysus?
The chill party guy persona fits him to a T
tired sapphire
^ I wasn't around for that
visual laurel
it wasn't dionysus discourse lmao it was people who found the thing about zagreus being an epithet of dionysus
people kept saying maybe zagreus was dionysus but then there was an update where that theory was tossed out
small worldbuilding detail i appreciate: zag has trouble remembering the word "lush" because he's probably almost never had a reason to use it since he's, like, never left tartarus and tartarus is definitely not full of thriving plant life
and also the garden at the house is all closed up
bright void
Do we have any ideas of what's behind the two locked doors
visual laurel
At least one is implied to be Hades' chambers
I think Zag has a conversation with Achilles where he asks to be let in
it's also the direction Zag was walking when he went to try to confront Hades about his mom
Nyx stopped him before the doors tho
sick grove
One leads to SGG's office, where they hastily scramble to meet Hades' demands.
runic terrace
šŖ š šØ 
LET ME IN.......LET ME IIIIIIIIN
strange cipher
@sick grove Ah. The real reason Zag can't escape. Hades told SGG not to program him to be able to.
iron yew
I appreciate that when you beat the game right now, Zagreus has multiple conversations with Hades accusing him of exactly that
apparently the Ongoing Underworld Renovations being conducted by the game designers are such a mixed blessing for Hades right now, which I love
he's so mad about them being a disruption in his workflow, but he's quite enjoying how no one can get in or out of the Underworld right now, but he knows that when the entrance opens up again he's going to get blasted with the mountain of undone job responsibilities accreting endlessly on the other side
god, the week immediately after turning the death mechanic back on after Sisyphus disabled it must have been the single worst week of Hades' life, even above being imprisoned in the depths of hell forever, even above his wife leaving him by text message
frozen jolt
itās what he deserves
candid bear
Hades is just doing his job!
strange cipher
in an evil fashion!
frozen jolt
by kidnapping his wife and berating his son?
strange cipher
^
candid bear
Honestly kidnapping is kind of mild for a Greek god
harsh sleet
hades be like: karen come back please take the kids i donāt want them
strange cipher
At first glance I thought that said beating his son, and well, I wouldn't put it past him.
iron yew
(also it's probably not canon in this particular interpretation of the myth, but i love that in one version of the Sisyphus story, it's not Hades who goes and puts a stop to shenanigans and decrees that Sisyphus be punished forever for disabling the concept of people dying and being dead, it's Ares, who is unwillingly introduced to the experience of zero-casualty mass violence and finds it the most insulting and terrible thing that has ever happened to anyone in the history of time, an awful and indefensible crime that can only have been directed at him personally,)
strange cipher
Especially if he's the final boss. Then he'll beat his son as part of gameplay.
Abuse simulator.
candid bear
Zag is totally beratable
frozen jolt
yeah he got the short end of the stick but that doesnāt mean he deserves ALL the sympathy
candid bear
Not all of it
frozen jolt
maybe like, 20%
iron yew
Pff, right
frozen jolt
and Iām being generous but maybe thatās just me
harsh sleet
i have no sympathy for hades ,,, oop
candid bear
Iām at like a 60-70% rn
strange cipher
Zag is over 18.
If Hades were in any way a good person entity he'd let Zag leave of his own free will.
I mean, technically, he does.
iron yew
SGG's Hades is understandable but he's also an awful person
candid bear
Hades even says at one point that he is incapable of letting zag out
drifting citrus
hades also can't get out
candid bear
Hades is as trapped as zag
drifting citrus
but apparently persephone can
livid lance
hades cant fit through the doors
drifting citrus
either that or she's dead so
strange cipher
@candid bear Okay but he goes out of his way to make it harder for Zag.
harsh sleet
am i the only damn person who doesnāt see how heās at all understandable
frozen jolt
no ur not the only one
strange cipher
@drifting citrus If she were dead she'd be in the Underworld. That's... like... that's the whole thing about the Underworld.
candid bear
He doesnāt want zag making more work for him for a pointless unattainable goal
west moat
hades is an interesting character even if I think he's a huge butt
iron yew
Yeah, there's a difference between "you can't leave because no one can leave, even I can't leave, it's the physical nature of this place" and "you can't leave because I've taken hours out of my schedule to manipulate the structure of your escape route so that it is full of people whom I have personally tasked with beating you to death"
strange cipher
@harsh sleet Nope, you're not.
frozen jolt
like heās sympathetic as an iteration of hades I suppose but as a dad he goes into negative sympathetic
strange cipher
@west moat We haven't seen it, but he's huge as a whole, so...
iron yew
I really like Hades as a person in general, but this particular Hades I only like as a character
west moat
pff
drifting citrus
will zag be as huge as hades one day
frozen jolt
yeah iny thatās exactly it
candid bear
If my son went around smashing my pots and ruining my work I would want to stop him!
west moat
he might have been more sympathetic once but right now he's not nearly as likable
frozen jolt
itās not like, I Like This Character sort of like but a Theyre Well Written sort of like
lots of likes in that message
iron yew
Right, just so
drifting citrus
hades in real mythology isn't even that bad besides kidnapping his wife (and there are versions of the myth where season lady goes willingly)
west moat
but that's okay, because he's kinda-sorta-not-really the antagonist
onyx spoke
maybe hades is just really tsundere and is doing this to train zag to escape better
jade hinge
This game would score a lot of points with me if Hades wasn't the final boss.
candid bear
My first and current theory is that hades and Nyx are using the mirror to make zag stronger
harsh sleet
cerberus for final boss
livid lance
Im betting on cerberus
candid bear
NO
iron yew
(there are also versions of the myth where Persephone doesn't go willingly, but neither is Hades the bad guy in it -- he's being manipulated by Zeus)
candid bear
Not doggo
west moat
the final boss is......... the gods.
drifting citrus
unfortunately the persephone being kidnapped myth is the only one concerning hades that's taught... like at all
west moat
Except Artemis because I like artemis
drifting citrus
so everyone thinks hades is this big bad mr skeleton man
strange cipher
hades in real mythology isn't even that bad besides kidnapping his wife
onyx spoke
yeah but on the god scale that's not bad
cough zeus impregnating someone as a cloud cough
iron yew
And, again, notwithstanding the versions of the myth where that is not exactly what happens
strange cipher
@jade hinge Hades probably and hopefully isn't the final boss.
drifting citrus
what iny said
strange cipher
I'm personally also rooting for Cerberus.
drifting citrus
it's not like that's the only version of that myth
strange cipher
But whatever it actually is, I'm sure it'll be awesome.
bright void
Well, they said they want the cyclical gameplay to make sense in terms of stroy.
candid bear
I canāt fight dog
cold canopy
harsh sleet
me pulling up to fight cerberus in the final layer: 
bright void
My guess is that the fates or something prevent him from leaving. And Hades has this thing with Zag like "would you just get this teenage rebellion out of your system, and realize what you were born for and what your job is in the universe"
drifting citrus
the fates are big meanies
harsh sleet
mmh i donāt agree with that
bright void
I'm more annoyed that Thanatos doesn't help you on hydra
drifting citrus
never giving me a hammer in tartarus
harsh sleet
i donāt like that āknow what you were born forā stuff :(
strange cipher
yeah that's a horrid mentality for a parent to have
candid bear
With fates thatās how it works:(
drifting citrus
ye and hades is a horrible parent
strange cipher
Yup
drifting citrus
he's a Bad Dadā¢
wide wind
yeah hades is the type of terrible parent to say that
drifting citrus
tbf persephone literally just left so
bright void
I mean, you have that in game of thrones: "There must always be a stark in winterfell". Hades lineage is probably fated to be the keepers of the underworld
jade hinge
well you know, cosmic order and all that. children of the gods don't normally wait around for permission to do things
strange cipher
I thought she left a while ago?
harsh sleet
honestly i think persephone didnāt take zagreus because she knew she wouldnāt be able to protect both herself and him
strange cipher
I dunno; it's been a really long time since I experienced the dream/flashback.
It only happens once.
drifting citrus
no i meant that persephone left zag instead of taking care of him
bright void
I mean, in greek mythology Persephone is bound to the underworld during the winter, and allowed to be out during spring and summer
iron yew
Persephone left when Zagreus was too young to remember her.
jade hinge
sorry, is persephone mentioned by name? do we know that's who we're talking about here?
strange cipher
Oh, she just left.
iron yew
Yes, we do.
harsh sleet
yes but who else would it be ??
strange cipher
Not just left.
drifting citrus
yes
candid bear
Yea she is
drifting citrus
emphasis on left
strange cipher
I get it.
drifting citrus
zag's only good parent is nyx who also lied to him for a long time but that's little compared to his real parents so
iron yew
(for detail on an earlier subject: other versions of the kidnapping myth include, as mentioned, Persephone being a willing participant in her "abduction" and the main problem being that Demeter will kill everyone if things aren't handled very carefully, or that not being the case but Zeus telling Hades that that's the case)
candid bear
Can we agree that Zuneās is using zag?
iron yew
Z... Zunes
candid bear
Zeus
iron yew
Zeus
Oh
No, I don't think so.
I can't agree with that and I'm not sure I understand it
bright void
I almost feel like Chaos is the only one telling the truth
iron yew
Zagreus is using Zeus here, and Zeus is gonna be pissed when he finds out
candid bear
I kind of think he is trying to wreck the underworld
drifting citrus
zag's been warned that the reason that the olympians want to help him isn't quite all happy fun good times
iron yew
Zeus is barely relevant here!
west moat
most of them are, at least.
iron yew
Oh, for sure
west moat
artemis is like, basically the only one that isn't
candid bear
Iām not certain about Artemis
drifting citrus
like, maybe not athena
strange cipher
I'm still upset Zag doesn't confront the different gods for helping Theseus.
candid bear
I think Athena would
bright void
Artemis wants you down in the underworld so you can give messages to her Achilles
strange cipher
Like, there should be so much dialogue about that!
bright void
Well, the Gods probably help theseus to give Zag more of a challenge to be "worthy"
drifting citrus
i mean practically everyone knows that the gods are fickle and vain
candid bear
That would be awesome
drifting citrus
if the trial rooms are any explanation
iron yew
Artemis is explicitly using Zagreus for her own purposes, she outright says it, she wants you on Olympus to basically help her escape.
strange cipher
@harsh sleet Nothing points to that.
iron yew
Which is understandable!
strange cipher
I genuinely don't think anything points to it.
harsh sleet
itās just a theory bro
bright void
I hope Apollo is the next Olympian. Maybe he'll be in the June update
harsh sleet
iām not saying itās true lol
iron yew
a theory is something supported by evidence, Syd
strange cipher
Artemis is my favorite.
drifting citrus
we're not in science class
jade hinge
plus one for apollo
candid bear
Game is in early stages, the story can go any direction
drifting citrus
theory is being used colloquially
candid bear
Art is deff best god
frozen jolt
hahaha iny that has to be the most evil sounding way to say āartemis wants a normal friendā
harsh sleet
yall chill lol
strange cipher
The first time I ever encountered a room where I needed to pick between two gods, I didn't know what it was, and ended up angering Artemis.
iron yew
Hah, for sure
bright void
Guess that's a question for the devs: How in stone is the story, or are they still trying to figure it out
strange cipher
I've felt bad for that specific time ever since.
Like oh man I felt so bad.
Lol
drifting citrus
i think they've said that they've got the whole thing figured out
they know what direction they want to go
strange cipher
Like even since then I've angered her other times at those rooms, but I've always been like, "At least it doesn't hurt as much as that first time did."
candid bear
I like Artemis because she is the only one who tells you she is using you
bright void
First time I chose I had to stop everything I was doing because I thought "choosing" had long-term repercussions.
Then I realized the choice only matters for about 2 minutes
strange cipher
The roadmap seems to indicate they don't have things set in stone.
iron yew
All of the gods have reasons for helping Zag, and I'd say Artemis's "I want a friend" is the best of those reasons, and honestly none of them are even really bad reasons -- but they each hope to get something out of it
strange cipher
It says something along the lines of they think one more biome will be what's necessary to finish the game with how they currently understand how it's going to end.
Something like that. Worded completely differently.
bright void
What does Dyo want out of it? ANother drinking buddy?
iron yew
Pretty much, yeah
strange cipher
How many more gods did the roadmap say they have planned?
Just one?
Who do you think it'll be?
iron yew
The D-man sees a kindred bro-spirit, united in bro-ness, which is pretty great from a mythology-reference standpoint since mythologically speaking it's uncertain whether Zagreus and Dionysus were ever not considered aspects of the same deity
bright void
I think Apollo would be it, since Artemis needs her brother. Other option is Hermes
I don't feel the story would be complete without Apollo if Artemis is in game
bright void
"at least 8 Olympians, each with their unique Boons (7 currently)"
So they say "at least" meaning they sound like they're open for more
candid bear
If Darren doesnāt voice the god of music I will riot
iron yew
There are mentions of Hephaestus, Apollo, Hera, and Hestia in the existing material; I'm not sure if Hermes is ever mentioned, but it'd be weird as hell for him not to be here somewhere, albeit possibly not as one of the boon gods because his role in the underworld is mythologically speaking Pretty Big
strange cipher
Darren already voices a million characters.
And by a million I mean... like two and a half?
harsh sleet
darren voices orpheus,, i think thatās enough tbh
strange cipher
Darren voices half of Orpheus.
bright void
I think the Apollo vs Artemis "trial of the gods" would be an amazing opportunity
"YOU CHOSE HIM?!"
harsh sleet
you know what i mean lol
harsh sleet
itās ok djfjdbs dw maybe i wasnāt clear
candid bear
This game needs Ashley
strange cipher
Oh, it does.
bright void
So the voice actors.. are they all just part of SGG's studio? Or do they hire outside people
strange cipher
I think this game in particular has a lot of outside people.
It has significantly more voice acting than any of their previous games.
harsh sleet
ashley for eurydice 
bright void
A lot of this game's music and voices sound like Bastion
Think we'll find Eurydice? Seems odd that we wouldn't.
strange cipher
Logan and Darren voice a number of characters each, but there are a whole bunch of characters.
And a lot are voiced by different people.
harsh sleet
they let us find ||patroclus|| i donāt see why we canāt find eurydice
bright void
I didn't even know I needed to be looking for him... guess that happens when you don't give Achilles enough ambrosia?
bleak osprey
this is the spoiler channel, no need for tags unless it's spoilers for something else :P
strange cipher
I'm okay with the Orpheus voice for these couple songs, but if every song with vocals on this soundtrack is gonna be Orpheus songs then that's kind of a letdown.
It's not the most appealing voice to hear.
harsh sleet
i just feel bad if someoneās in here but hasnāt met him yet 
candid bear
Hades solo
strange cipher
I hope Zag sings the credits.
harsh sleet
heās in elysium claw
strange cipher
Which is what I've wanted since learning Darren played him, like week 2 of playing the game.
bleak osprey
zag, leaning into the mic: this is a song about how much i hate my dad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtXuQ5mkFew
strange cipher
I'd accept that.
simple sparrow
For the person asking, we actually have a reference to Hermes. If you a speedy run, (I think a new record is required) Zag can say something about how even Hermes would be proud of that.
iron yew
Ahhh, thank you!
west moat
we also have references to hera and hestia.
iron yew
Ye.
With that Hermes ref, that brings up the list of mentioned gods to five, as far as I know: Apollo, Hera, Hephaestus, Hermes, Hestia
strange cipher
And there's always post-release content possibility.
bright void
Have they done that before? Seems SGG is more about offering a complete game and no DLC
strange cipher
Hades is different.
They've never done early access before.
Active player base during development.
And they could do it again for DLC. Have us playtest it before sending it out to other launchers.
Also, Bastion had some minor post-release content, with the Stranger's Dream.
iron yew
Bastion and Pyre both added additional game modes after release.
Score Attack, No-Sweat, NG+
strange cipher
Tnm?
iron yew
True Nightwing Mode, Pyre's NG+
strange cipher
Ah.
iron yew
But also, yeah, "SGG is more about offering a complete game, so I don't think they'd provide more content after releasing the game" feels like an odd belief to have in one of the discussion channels for Hades
strange cipher
If we were discussing any other their other games, I'd agree.
bright void
Why is it odd?
candid bear
Not the right channel
strange cipher
@candid bear No, that's not the point.
candid bear
Well it isnāt
strange cipher
This is the discussion channel for an incomplete SGG game we're playing.
candid bear
But i see what you mean
iron yew
Hades, the Supergiant Games game which was released unfinished with more content to be added later, over time. The one we're presently playing, unfinished, with more content to be added later over time
strange cipher
^
bright void
But it was never released "unfinished". It's in early access because it's unfinished. I thought the point of this was at the end of EA, they would have a complete finished game
Anyways, probably getting off topic or whatever. Maybe this is correct, this is discussing what the story holds
strange cipher
The point is to have a complete, finished game. Yes.
iron yew
Like, I agree that it doesn't fit SGG's established paradigm to release content for a game gradually over time rather than a single hyper-polished complete product... which is why I was quite surprised when they decided to break away from that paradigm quite comprehensively, on purpose, with Hades
strange cipher
But you can add more to complete, finished games.
Matt Makes Games has been working on Chapter 9 of Celeste for a long while now. That game is very finished, very complete.
jade hinge
well the thing about early access games like this, Dead Cells, Prison Architect, etc. is that even when they get to 1.0 support doesn't necessarily end. or the stream of content.
strange cipher
Yeah, I heard they actually made Dead Cells good.
iron yew
I think now we're off topic, but yeah! I was as surprised as you
harsh sleet
if i may go back to the thanatos betrayal thought i had earlier,,
i can honestly imagine something like that happening, than obv not doing it willingly
i can imagine one of the nightime events and than telling hades he cant do it anymore 
lunar kiln
š³ š what if we kissed š š³
š„ š in the house of hades š š„
š (and we were both dead!) š
limber sage
lol
iron yew
I have a super low-key sneaking suspicion that Persephone is still in the House of Hades.
She hasn't been seen in the Underworld since she announced her intention to leave even if it killed her; she hasn't died; and according to Hades, leaving the Underworld is impossible.
Why would she tell Hades to take care of their dog, but not even bother to mention their son? I kind of suspect that the answer is, "he hadn't been born yet".
bright void
What if Zagreus was born in the "overworld" and died as a child (maybe Zeus or somebody killed him). He has been trapped in the underworld ever since.
So persephone left (while pregnant), gave birth to Zag, and then he died and got sent below
harsh sleet
thanatos remembers her though
bright void
In greek lore, Persephone was given the ability to return to the surface world
harsh sleet
he says he was young too but remembers her vaguely
sage vault
in greek myth zag was a child of zeus and persephone that was butchered by the titans
the whole zag and dio is the same god thing is acctually a myth
bright void
I guess the question is in this game, is Zag Hades' biological son
iron yew
Yes, it is a myth, Demo, you are correct, just as Zagreus being a child of Zeus and Persephone is a myth.
harsh sleet
honestly this is baffling me
iron yew
They're all myths, Demo.
There are a bunch of conflicting myths in Greek mythology.
That
is why it is called that.
sage vault
yes i know that wasnt my point
iron yew
The ancient lexica (Etymologicum Magnum, Photius, Hesychius, Suda) identify Zagreus as a poetic name for Dionysus in a chthonic aspect, ĻĪøĻĪ½Ī¹ĪæĻ ĪĪ¹ĻĪ½Ļ ĻĪæĻ, my guy
sage vault
story wise i think it would be best to avoid that conflation other than the joke dialog tho
bright void
Is there a joke dialog in game?
sage vault
yeh zag tells orpheus that he and dio are the same god
sage vault
and orpheus belives him and refuses to accept that its a joke
bright void
I'm going to guess that it's because of the ambrosia love, and you get that storyline after 5-6 bottles of it?
harsh sleet
ok but,, hymn to zagreus is a bop
sage vault
dunno the number but yes
sage vault
i dont think i have more than 1 on dio and i got it
sick grove
I think the requirements for it were different when dio was first introduced. My dialogue happened out-of-order, with Orpheus already being tricked by Zag before Dio even suggested it.
sage vault
yeh same here
harsh sleet
oof,, it took me ages to actually get the dialogue tho
the only god i gift is aphrodite and thats because im,, very gay
sage vault
well nothing wrong with that
but still tho i think they will just stick to zag being hades kid
sage vault
some early myths equate him as being hades so they could potentially do something with that where hades is him once hes given up
harsh sleet
i really wanna start a new save but i dunno if i can go that long w/o thanatos
sage vault
but that seems abit of a longer story
bleak osprey
hi hello i can tell you the requirements for the orpheus dialogue if you'd like
harsh sleet
sparrow came prepared
bleak osprey
c:
you need to have given orpheus enough ambrosia that he'll sing again, and talk to him about it; then you need to go through a few of the "zag tells orpheus some far-fetched story" conversations
you must also have given dionysus at least one ambrosia
tired sapphire
Who's the boon right next to archiles and Sisyphus? Its the only one im missing
bright void
It's someone you meet in the 3rd biome in a room like Sisyphus, i believe
Guess this is the spoilers channel, so it's Patroclus
tired sapphire
Name/image? Would be appreciated so i dont give a dupe boon lol
bright void
tired sapphire
How do i get him? Never seen him before
harsh sleet
heās in elysium
heās a random room
itās like sisyphus but he doesnāt always appear
wide wind
he's so hot
harsh sleet
pat so hot you could fry an egg on him!
however itās not advised
i donāt think heād like that
wide wind
one would imagine
visual laurel
it won't hurt him, he's already dead
harsh sleet
thanatos voice: you are already dead
vagrant nova
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vagrant nova
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harsh sleet
i know ;w;
digital crag
thanks to that One Single Line everyone collectively decided thanatos is a closet weeb
harsh sleet
i have it saved on my phone
thanatos has hatsune miku posters on his walls idc
me too than
runic terrace
zag: i could fry an egg on ur leg pat hahaha
pat: dont
zag: (cracks the egg)
pat: (looks absolutely miserable w egg yolk running down his legs)
vagrant nova
What is Thans favourite anime
runic terrace
okay. i thought it said 'sisyphus' toddler' for a second
shrewd arrow
atomic forge
in a week!
runic terrace
aaaaaaaaaaAAAA :V
really is any hades patch ever going to feed us as well as beefy did. i feel like amazed theyre giving us more so soon
atomic forge
yeah!! elysium is so pretty and so well done for the time spent on it
runic terrace
like patroclus is here and elysium is āØ 
š® āØ we can basically say the game is ready right,
digital crag
cannot help thinking about pat with egg on his leg reacting like a befuddled cat who got cheese thrown on his face
visual laurel
haha
egg legg pat
runic terrace
5 seconds of them holding each others gaze steadily like "its going to cook right" "why are you doing this to me"
digital crag
it would cook on zag's foot
drifting citrus
mmmm foot egg
bright void
I think we're a ways out from having another patch be as large as beefy update
probably not until the 4th biome patch
runic terrace
oh for sure hfjfncngjg the question is will we have another patch w as much sheer joy as seeing patroclus
digital crag
petting cerberus patch
strange cipher
fighting cerberus patch
FTFY
rapid zinc
If you even think about hurting Cerberus I'll sue you
warped tundra
Any tips on fighting Tesseus and the Bull?
visual laurel
Use Shield for a decent time
west moat
kill theseus first, or at least try to focus him.
warped tundra
The weapon that worked for me the most is the rail gun with the triple Q upgrade
bright void
If you get the Ares cast or Dash; i've pretty much been able to kill them with any of the weapons i've had
drifting citrus
get a lot of health and do a lot of damage
learn their patterns so you can dash at the right time, probably will end up taking a few runs to do that but it'll be worth it
get athena's dash, she's literally a godsend
cunning needle
^
until i figured out their patterns i could scrape by fighting them just by stockpiling health
drifting citrus
let's see uhhh
it might be hard watching them both at the same time but you get better at it
alternatively, just get hunting blades and not even worry about putting in effort
cunning needle
i tend to go for asterius first because heās less defended and its easier to focus on getting around theseusās shield when i donāt have a charging bull coming at me
drifting citrus
see i like to kill them at near the same time so i don't have to deal with chariots
at least asterius does things that aren't constantly ramming into you
also find value in just walking instead of dashing all the time
you only really need to dash when someone's about to attack (which is a lot tbf) but walking allows you to stay more alert to when you need to dash
a misplaced dash can really screw you up
can't count the number of times i dashed at the wrong time and got a spear to the face
cunning needle
....i swear that sometimes theseus throws his spear earlier than usual.....
drifting citrus
i still donāt quite understand the pattern for whether itās a spear throw or a ābull hornā as he calls it
lunar kiln
Nah bull horn is when asterius throws him at you
visual laurel
oh my god he throws him???? i never even noticed
i'm too busy trying not to die gkjdfg
i need to do that fight more
drifting citrus
oh yeah i know but like
lunar kiln
YEAH like
cunning needle
i never noticed either...
lunar kiln
When theyre close enough from each other one of them calls out to the other
Asterius kneels and reaches out to theseus with his hand
visual laurel
all i can think of now is the DnD posts like "what are the mechanics of throwing gnomes/halflings"
lunar kiln
Then he hurls him towards you
cunning needle
now thats true friendship
drifting citrus
...true love
cunning needle
true love is being a fastball special
visual laurel
randy johnson and panpan
drifting citrus
i-
visual laurel
that's a deep cut monster factory reference
how long has it been gkfjgdf
oh god 3 years
visual laurel
asteroid........................................................
lunar kiln
Its like a human gently pushing their cat across the room and the cat comes back like "again AGAIN"
visual laurel
asterius means "starry" uvu
cunning needle
not only does he orbit theseus but he is also on roids
lunar kiln
Asterius-gazing
drifting citrus
because theseus is his world
visual laurel
he needs to get a better world
drifting citrus
happy pride month
cunning needle
āyou ARE my world, broā
ābro....ā
visual laurel
i don't disagree in theory, i only respectfully protest because asterius deserves better
lunar kiln
Theseus: yeah i like looking at the stars (tenderly looks at asterius)
cunning needle
im sure theseus has charming qualities.....somewhere....deep, deep down somewhere....
visual laurel
you don't have to stick with the first person who calls you pretty, asterius, you deserve more than that
you're not in high school
cunning needle
theseus-senpai.....
cunning needle
bah dum tshhh
lunar kiln
Theseus is actually super domestic but only when no one is looking
visual laurel
you can believe that if you'd like and i will continue to believe he's as delightful a heel when i'm not looking as when i am
cunning needle
asterius might have a thing for idiots
merry sorrel
highschool girls like bad boys right
drifting citrus
two bros chilling in elysium
visual laurel
all couples in hades (game) are made up of one person with no braincells and one person with all of them
cunning needle
theseus: āwhats spanish for tortilla?ā
asterius, his heart full of love: ātheseus youre so stupidā
merry sorrel
I disagree with the meg x zag ship
drifting citrus
LMAO
visual laurel
yeah but guess what
they're not together anymore, are they
too many brain cells š
rapid zinc
Asterius: I identify as morosexual. I'm attracted to idiots and idiots exclusively. Once a boy asked me what the spanish word for enchilada was and now I dream of kissing him in the moonlight.
Theseus: What kind of animal is the Pink Panther?
Asterius, already with his shirt off: Theseus you're so stupid
merry sorrel
can I propose that in the theuseus x asterius ship both of them are muscles and none of them are brain
drifting citrus
what kind of animal is the bull of minos
cunning needle
asterius has the one brain cell of the relationship
visual laurel
i think the wrong patrochilles account on twitter already made this joke better than i could but there's a hades (game) patrochilles version waiting to be made
merry sorrel
please link
visual laurel
let me find
drifting citrus
when elysium is cold: patrochillies
rapid zinc
https://twitter.com/wrongptrchlls/status/1122964407980634113?s=19
A personal favorite of mine (though sadly not applicable to Hades... yet)
drifting citrus
unfortunately not canon
cunning needle
yet
drifting citrus
you think achilles limps because of how he died
visual laurel
oh god i hate that i'm about to say "well actually" but well actually,
visual laurel
the heel thing is a latter day addition gkjgfd
rapid zinc
drifting citrus
donāt say h*ck cereberus is around
visual laurel
š¤
merry sorrel
I think it was something like he was shot which immobilized him long enough for another guy to strike him down?
visual laurel
he died in a totally mundane way just the arrow was an Apollo Arrowā¢
cunning needle
i recall something in the game codex where achilles has some snarky things to say about archers
merry sorrel
I've heard of that one as well
visual laurel
and wasn't actually invulnerable
he gets wounded in the iliad, is what i was thinking of gkdjgfd
anyways reminder of a real line that exists
https://twitter.com/myth_txt/status/1023648114127917056
Twitter
drifting citrus
he mentions that the bow is actually the one that played a part in his death
visual laurel
the.........coronacht?
drifting citrus
i think
iron yew
just bows in general
drifting citrus
i remember a line in the codex about a bow
and he was like i hold no love for this thing but maybe zag can use it
iron yew
Yeah, it's in the Coronacht entry, but Achilles is like "i hope he does better with bows than I did"
visual laurel
In the oldest one, the Iliad, and as predicted by Hector with his dying breath, the hero's death was brought about by Paris with an arrow (to the heel according to Statius). yeah so the arrow killed him because it was an Apollo Arrowā¢ but the heel thing is a later, Roman addition to the story
drifting citrus
apollarow
visual laurel
All of these versions deny Paris any sort of valour, owing to the common conception that Paris was a coward and not the man his brother Hector was, and Achilles remained undefeated on the battlefield. rippppp
wide wind
rip in pieces paris
drifting citrus
when apollo gets added imma run around with the bow and be like āi can kill achilles with this thingā
merry sorrel
;-;
rapid zinc
Don't be rude to Achilles! What has he done to deserve this?
visual laurel
"welcome to the underworld, everybody's a mass murderer, let's get you some fruit"
iron yew
stealin the weapons of mass destruction used in the titanomachy & givin em to some kid
merry sorrel
^
iron yew
imbibing the most illicit of delicious contraband, with intent
visual laurel
intent to imbibe...........
to be fair
the cop is literally right there and she sits down and also imbibes contraband so like
cunning needle
gotta remove it somehow
visual laurel
exactly! controlled removal gdkjgfd
merry sorrel
(this server has nerds of such high level I'm glad)
iron yew
we gotta get rid of this via the proper channels (my throat and esophagus)
visual laurel
everyone in elysium has indulged in a great deal of stabbing, call that cultural standards of heroism
iron yew
I like how Tartarus and Asphodel are full of noncombatant shades milling around in the background and you're only fighting savage undead monsters and Hades' hired brute squads and mobs of whatever unrepentant sinners who were sufficiently huge jerks that they're still trying to mug you in Hell, but in Elysium literally everyone we see except for Patroclus is just immediately ready to have a go on no pretext whatsoever just because FINALLY, SOMEONE NEW TO STAB
visual laurel
i think there are unrelated shades in Elysium too - like the ones in the stadium who watch you fight theseus and asterius
but maybe with Elysium being the bougie gated community it is, anyone who doesn't want to be involved in the ruckus has moved elsewhere
iron yew
Oh hey are there guys back there? I think they may be the only ones if so, I've been trying to keep an eye out and it's mostly just statues and cardboard cutouts apart from the soldiery
visual laurel
i think there was a bit somewhere about the exalted being a subset of elysium shades who had explicitly agreed to help hades but i don't want to dig for it right now
visual laurel
but yeah! there are unrelated shades in the stadium
noncombatants
there to watch the show gkdjfgd
and there's one who roots for zag
iron yew
omg, good
iron yew
Usually I'm all into EXTREME OBSERVATION but in that one particular fight I keep being too busy getting murdered
visual laurel
i would imagine tho that anyone who doesn't want to fight shuffled off elsewhere so as not to be disturbed by the ruffians
SAME
i didn't notice it till belgo pointed it out to me gkdjfg
if you live in tartarus or asphodel you have to just stay in ur little spot of hell
get like, spears and rocks thrown through you until everybody leaves
visual laurel
that's what you get for being utterly average
iron yew
hahaha yess
BUT YES ALSO ON THE SUBJECT OF ASTERIUS
I LOVE
that he has a bull rush attack, because of course he does, but unlike everyone else in the entirety of the history of videogames who has a bull rush attack, Asterius can corner on a hecking dime
because OF COURSE HE CAN
he spent his ENTIRE LIFE chasing people through THE ORIGINAL LABYRINTH
visual laurel
because of the labyrinth,,,,
iron yew
YES
If there's anyone in the entire history of time who would logically not have trouble with charging in non-straight lines, he would be the guy
visual laurel
#justlittleworldbuildingthings
digital crag
i missed apollo talk ;-;
visual laurel
sorry
iron yew
I keep being like, "ah, he's doing the obligatory bullrush because of course he is, good, I'll just dash to the side and I'll have a moment's breather -- WOW NOPE OKAY"
digital crag
oh my god elysium really is a bougie communal home for stab happy warriors
iron yew
I think that -- the bull rush thing -- may be my favorite little touch in the game so far
also yes that too
digital crag
old friends senior shade sanctuary
visual laurel
i mentioned it before but i like that zag forgot what the word "lush" means because he's never seen significant plant life. lol
i'm lol-ing but it's a sad lol
iron yew
hahaha yessss
and like. god. "ah, great, it's a peaceful pastoral paradise, an eternity of well-earned relaxation, for Greek legendary heroes"
visual laurel
pat ain't far off when he complains about being put out to pasture lmao
digital crag
when artemis calls dionysus a lush
visual laurel
different lush
iron yew
"no wonder everyone here is in such a hurry to pick a fight with you"
visual laurel
i also, can i say that zag's deadpan remarks at theseus are some of my favorite lines in the game so far
where's the one that's like "so you admit you're just perpetuating an endless cycle of violence"
and theseus just responds to every single one with "WELL, SHUT UP, FIEND"
So we're locked in an endless cycle of violence, basically. I guess that's one way for you to pass the time here in this stodgy place. ah yes
iron yew
i love that even w/ Asterius, Asterius is initially like "come no further, I am the solemn guardian of this place and I have sworn to be its guardian with every mote of spirit in my frame" but it becomes clear almost immediately, by like the second or third time you see him, that he's picking fights with you because he just really wants to fight someone
Zag calls him out on it and he's like "Yeah that's fair. ...Ahem. Prepare yourself."
visual laurel
also Oh no, not the flame of righteousness. Are you finished? Let's get this started, I've come a long way.
cunning needle
zagās sass gives me life
digital crag
and i guess the only way for these stabby warrior dudes to be with their loved ones in the afterlife is to have dated another stabby warrior dude
cunning needle
at least the spartans have that covered
visual laurel
oh no, not the flame of righteousness
digital crag
oh he's getting snippy
cunning needle
he sounds like such a teen here
harsh sleet
oh wow i love him
zagreus made it on my list of good boys So Quickly iāve got whiplash
digital crag
oH nO Not tHE fLAmE oF rIghTeOuSnESs
visual laurel
zag gives back exactly what he gets gkdfjdf
he calls strangers "sir" but he will also drag ur ass gkdjghfd
visual laurel
i mean if ur rude
visual laurel
AAAAA
good
oh wait the kids don't say that anymore, what are we on these days, is it wig
harsh sleet
zagreus: Hello Sir Itās An Honor To Meet You I Hope You Are Okay
also zagreus: oh noooo not the flame of righteousness
digital crag
what happened to worm
harsh sleet
UGH i miss saying oh worm?
visual laurel
asterius, picking up theseus: Y E E T.
harsh sleet
thanatos has a box of worms on a string
digital crag
god they should have friendship combo moves
visual laurel
they do apparently
harsh sleet
for no particular reason other than itās cute
visual laurel
zag is so polite when people are nice to him it makes my heart ache
digital crag
š
harsh sleet
visual laurel
He's A Good Boy
The Obsessive Gift-Giving Might Be A Wee Bit Unhealthy In Some Ways But He's Good
i worry about him ;w;
cunning needle
heās trying his best
drifting citrus
if zag only sold his ambrosia heād be rich as heck
then he can buy all the boons charon has
visual laurel
i side-eyed "fear is for the weak" the first couple times i heard it but the slow creep of realization that it goes Deeper Than That and something something the effects of intergenerational trauma is a Lot
drifting citrus
zag should buy charonās boat
visual laurel
š¤
merry sorrel
is charon selling
drifting citrus
zag has a lot of money
visual laurel
i think charon understands profit well enough to know he'll make more if he keeps his boat
digital crag
zag learning maladaptive coping mechanisms from achilles
merry sorrel
but the boat had been the only constant thing in charon's existence
drifting citrus
buy another, bigger boat
merry sorrel
must be akin to a wife to him at this point
drifting citrus
more souls and more money storing
digital crag
i mean i think it's a nice bit of complexity that achilles didn't 100% teach him everything positive
makes him a more rounded person and less a generic Good Mentorly Figure
visual laurel
nyx seems to have some suspect advice too but she's generally gotten a lot less screentime so far so it's hard to say
merry sorrel
is the gift-giving maladaptive though
visual laurel
debatably
merry sorrel
nobody needs to drink that much contraband, so getting rid of them by gifting is just saying no to capitalism
digital crag
it could be sad if he doesn't know any other way of showing affection
visual laurel
you can read into it, but it is fairly clear that uhhh zag's doing a lot to Not Think About the effects of his actions
unrelated to the gifting
to the point where he's confused when others are like hurt and angry about him leaving lol
merry sorrel
this part I do agree
digital crag
anyone: these are reasons that your actions are having consequences
zag: .................i just have to leave
visual laurel
doesn't stop to rest either outside of the one cutscene
obviously we might get more
but the implication is literally that if he stops he might not be able to make himself start again
i think he's like acutely aware that if he actually thinks about what he's doing too hard it's gonna become a lot harder to make himself leave
so he keeps cultivating relationships with people and acting like he's going to be around forever and like he's not actively trying to get away from everybody at the same time
harsh sleet
thanatos: you left me without saying goodbye do you know how much that hurts
zagreus: ,,,, want some alcohol?
visual laurel
doing a lot of pressing people to open up to him without feeling like he needs to be open about himself in return
n e v e r brings up his reasons for leaving
unless actively confronted about them by somebody who already knows what's up
merry sorrel
sounds unfortunately normal for someone who grew up in a not very healthy family environment
visual laurel
sisyphus: so uh why are you leaving anyways
zag: oh. you know. i just can't stay here. you know how it is right bro
zag: SO ANYWAYS WHY ARE YOU CHAINED TO THIS BOULDER
visual laurel
valid, go ahead
digital crag
zag being so transparently happy and fond of achilles and pat that's gay bi solidarity
harsh sleet
yes!! meg and dusa are so cute
visual laurel
it's good to see meg laugh ;w;
digital crag
;w;
visual laurel
she's angry or frustrated so often and seeing her relax and have a lighthearted water cooler convo is so good
merry sorrel
meg moments are nice, and nyx's unconditional love
visual laurel
and zag snarking at theseus gkdjfgdf
~not the flame of righteousness~
isn't there a new hades line that's like
that hydra had a family, boy
and how could i forget i mean we're dead! we're fine! which is still one of the funniest lines in here on delivery and nothing else
digital crag
everyone's dead give them a break
visual laurel
gkjdfhgkdfjhgd
how shades roll their eyes at you if you dash through them
even better that thing that happens where shades go up to achilles sometimes and 
fans
digital crag
wait who said we're dead we're fine
visual laurel
orpheus gkjdfgfd
harsh sleet
why is that such a funny line wtf
digital crag
you might be dead orpheus dont drag me into this
visual laurel
IT'S HOW HE SAYS IT
merry sorrel
it's not death it is afterlife, the name says it, it is life
digital crag
it's after life
merry sorrel
that guy orpheus is just dead inside
digital crag
after the thing that is life
visual laurel
merry sorrel
if an afterparty is another party then afterlife is just another life, logic
digital crag
where's my beforelife, my aroundlife, besidelife
visual laurel
my paralife
wide wind
underlife
digital crag
afterparties are like.... dessert parties
oh my god that delivery
that was even more depressed than i braced myself for
wide wind
we're dead, we're fine
digital crag
turns out "bottling your feelings until you die" is not a sustainable long term strategy!
wide wind
he sounds so broken
digital crag
we're fine :^)
wide wind
like trying REALLY hard to be casual but just can't quite do it
visual laurel
its the verbal equivalent of the shruggie
digital crag
orpheus: millenial icon
merry sorrel
I thought our millenial icon was bdg
(gosh when will he do an unraveled episode on hades)
digital crag
when he ranks bad dads
merry sorrel
...hades is not even close to top 20 worst video game dads though
digital crag
"boy you should be thankful that i didn't sell you to my evil alternate dimension self for five dollars"
merry sorrel
(looking at pile with Ghetsis on top)
visual laurel
it's only funny if the bad dads are bad in like ridiculous abstract ways
merry sorrel
I wish it's more when bdg rates video game tsundere, with guest appearance of our thandere
digital crag
abuse isn't a competition
digital crag
he's all tsun for now
merry sorrel
than(dere): why did you leave me (I love you so much how could you)
than(dere): compete with me (so I have excuse to give you hearts)
visual laurel
thanatos giving us real literal hearts: could this be considered "sweet"
merry sorrel
even meg didn't leave zag hearts
digital crag
it's a bloody beating heart from a centaur
visual laurel
goth
digital crag
....i was gonna ask where he gets them but i realized the most likely answer is probably from charon
visual laurel
charon-venience store
digital crag
buys you hearts with his own pocket money
visual laurel
allowance
digital crag
hklsfhgfdg he's still on an allowance
visual laurel
20 obols a month
visual laurel
the last time that happened, thanatos was chained in a box
digital crag
sisyphus lured him in with the promise of worker rights
reef birch
Does getting all 999 conversations with Hades actually do anything or is it just the devs being funny?
visual laurel
nah there is more codex entry
it's available to read on the wiki if you wanna see it
cunning needle
do you ever wonder where patroclus gets his stock of well items from
visual laurel
death-warming gifts
cunning needle
maybe he has tea with charon sometimes and gets free samples
visual laurel
where does sisyphus get his sandwiches gkjdgfd
like i can believe there's a deliveryshade in elysium who just brings people stuff because elysium is a bougie gated community
but in tartarus??? nah
merry sorrel
the dead are often buried with food
visual laurel
patroclus is subscribed to a monthly gift box and hates it
and doesn't know how to cancel the subscription
visual laurel
they hide the phone number real small on the packaging
digital crag
amazon for shades
visual laurel
they sign you up automatically when you enter elysium
merry sorrel
and you must pay for years in advance for the one month free bonus
and the raffle to win the ancient greek nintendo switch
visual laurel
hades has a millennium-long contract with a catering company
i'm sorry tkhaos please don't let us interrupt you gdkgfd
shy glade
reef birch
I wanted to say Than, and then he uses it to buy the hearts but then I realized he could probably just get those hearts directly. š¤
candid bear
āDirectlyā
dawn ore
How do you set the game to show which chamber you're on?
lunar kiln
just press tab and it'll show you on the top right corner
harsh sleet
thanatos could steal my money while i was alive and iād thank him
sage vault
dunno id prolly resist a little to spend more time with him
onyx spoke
I just got a Remembrance scene about Hades telling Zag to say 'blood and darkness'
but the word that appears (title?) was Doom, even though it's not said at all
visual laurel
Sounds like a mismatch bug, report it if you can
keen pasture
i dont know if this counts as spoiler but when do you get to hear the gods talk to each other?
runic terrace
when a duo boon is offered!
keen pasture
oh thank you, i think I've only ever gotten one or two so I must not remember
bleak osprey
not all duo boon combos have a conversation
zeus/poseidon, zeus/dionysus and athena/artemis are the only ones to have conversations atm
ares/aphrodite too, but that duo boon has been removed for the time being so you won't see it
bright void
I absolutely hope that Apollo gets added as an Olympian, so you can have an Artemis / Apollo duo boon
rapid zinc
Even just for the conversations I want Apollo in the game
bleak osprey
apollo mentioning achilles would be the supreme Awkward Moment tbh
bright void
Would be cool if Perseus shows up, and Dusa is actually THE Medusa.
drifting citrus
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
desert peak
HERMES
bleak osprey
well that answers that question huh
bright void
Glad he's showing up.
lime badger
hermes!
violet summit
STEMA š©
drifting citrus
WE WANT THREE DASHES
knotty moss
hermes?
bright void
Hermes & Apollo plz
knotty moss
yass
lime badger
the feather is a dead giveaway
drifting citrus
what are the chances he's not buff
west moat
that's hermes!
bleak osprey
he doesn't look buff
violet summit
Hermes all the way u-u
storm tusk
He won't be buff, just cut
bright void
"coming up FAST"
unkempt locust
Hermes?
bright void
and hermes is quick
drifting citrus
toned or twink
violet summit
Hermes is fit, not buff
pliant hinge
WE WANT THREE DIFFERENT WAYS TO USE DASHES
violet summit
Fit >> buff U-U
pliant hinge
GIVE US BUFFS ON DASHES
bleak osprey
i mean,,,,, it's a winged helmet because that's what hermes is associated with.
drifting citrus
what if he shows up in person since he can enter and leave at will
bright void
I wonder if that means we could get Odyssesus and Perseus, since he's related to those two
bleak osprey
i mean, nnnnnnnot to be a debbie downer but we're only due one more npc as per the roadmap
drifting citrus
pls give us eurydice i would die
sick grove
Let the speculation begin! I think we can all agree it's definitely not Hermes. There's just not enough evidence in the silhouette. 
drifting citrus
it's obviously the fates
bright void
The roadmap says "at least"
The wording does say something about "4 biomes" in a more matter-of-fact-thats-all-they-got-planned
grim oracle
IN THE NAME OF LORD HADES, I ACCEPT THIS UPDATE
sick grove
At my studio, the catchphrase is under-promise, over-deliver.
bright void
At my work, the catchphrase is under deliver what our product owners over promised.
rapid zinc
So, what kind of boons is our boi Sonic the HedgeGod going to give out? All Ignited Ichors are free?
sick grove
Inject your cast right into your bloodstream to zip zap zoop around the place
drifting citrus
i want three dashes
glacial zodiac
i want 4
drifting citrus
uh but i don't know, really
rapid zinc
Your bloodstones lodge in yourself
bright void
Hermes mode: your character is always moving
sick grove
"Zagreus! Remember! You've got to go fast!"
drifting citrus
i'm not sure what mechanical niche hermes would fill
sick grove
Zag chooses other god in a trial boon
"Way past cool, Zagreus."
bleak osprey
hermes mode: gotta go fast
amber canyon
I mean he looks to be an actual NPC
bleak osprey
i hope he's cute tho 
amber canyon
Since Hermes can just go in and out of the underworld
So far everyone has looked cute, so
Well everyone but Zeus, but he is zeus
drifting citrus
poseidon is cute?
sick grove
Mobility and utility, most likely. Extra dashes is something I'd like to see.
glacial zodiac
Hermes could be very interesting, maybe a sort of "easy mode" ? (by helping the player, idk)
cosmic crescent
Hermes could have effects that make Zagreus faster which could show itself in two different ways
A: He moves faster
rapid zinc
Poseidon and Zeus both look cute, y'all are blind
cosmic crescent
B: The enemies are slower
amber canyon
Poseidon is borderline
drifting citrus
dio has enemies slower
amber canyon
Hemers could be turbo mode
cosmic crescent
@drifting citrus One boon for it, yes, and it only applies to their MS I believe.
amber canyon
Just like Tonic the Sledgedog in Gungeon
drifting citrus
increased hammer speed?
amber canyon
*Hermes
cosmic crescent
One heat effect makes enemies move faster in everything they do
so maybe it works the other way as well
drifting citrus
a few boons actually
cosmic crescent
Imagine a Wretch take twice as long to line up a strike
drifting citrus
the cast and the one where sick slows you down
sick grove
Run speed IS a variable in this game that has one item attached to it in the well. We'll probably be seeing run speed bonuses.
drifting citrus
plus the boons that rely on festive fog
rapid zinc
Leaked Hermes legendary boon: he lets you pet his snakes and you are happy
cosmic crescent
@sick grove I mean not only movement speed
overall speed
how fast you strike, how fast you cast, how fast you go through your animations
(or how fast the enemies go through theirs
drifting citrus
speedrunners' patron god
sick grove
Overall speed means a lot of different things. There's frame data changing, and then there's possible changes to the rate at which Zag himself moves across the map.
I can't imagine they have a 'Attack faster' system set up on a % increase, but color me surprised if they've set up a system for Hermes that messes with frame data.
Would definitely make World Splitter insane š
rapid zinc
Hermes: Hey Zagreus how can I help y-
Zagreus: Can I pet your snakes
Hermes: Oh, sure, I thought you were going to ask for power or smth
Zagreus: Enough talk, lemme see those danger noodles
cosmic crescent
I mean, technicly, we have that already, but for enemies.
One heat effect makes enemies up to 50% faster
drifting citrus
let's not forget the trickery and wings aspects of hermes
he's not all just speed
cosmic crescent
so I assume that the tech to do it the other way should also exist
rapid zinc
Hermes boon: invent modern medicine
tall ingot
Stunning foes
bleak osprey
why would hermes invent medicine
fast idol
Hermes Boon: Just leave the Underworld no biggy
drifting citrus
because he's sick af
sick grove
Enemies seem a lot less technically challenging than Zag's animations. Maybe they took this extra time to finish up Zag's and throw it on Hermes? Seems to make sense to me, yeah.
amber canyon
But Hermes has nothing to do with medicine
cunning needle
ultimate speedrun strat: just grab onto hermesās legs as he flies away. roll credits
drifting citrus
so i don't know much about mythology so who can hermes interact with
sick grove
I just can't imagine some of these weapons being any faster....
Sword flurry intensifies
drifting citrus
i want them exclamation points
amber canyon
Depends on how you define "interact with"
drifting citrus
initiate convo threads
amber canyon
But the characters he is most likely to have encountered a fair amount are Charon and Thanatos
bleak osprey
plot twist, hermes carries thanatos in and out of the underworld
amber canyon
He gives Thanatos a piggy-back ride
And Thanatos is just too embarassed about it each time
bleak osprey
He was a divine ally of the Greeks against the Trojans. However, he did protect Priam when he went to the Greek camp to retrieve the body of his son Hector and accompanied them back to Troy.
sick grove
Start smuggling contraband out of the underworld with the help of Hermes
drifting citrus
the wings thanatos has when he teleports are actually hermes' wings
but they make him look cool so he doesn't say anything
earnest shore
maybe he doesnāt give you any boons
he could just be a character that you interact with
cosmic crescent
@earnest shore That would make him the first olympian god to be that way, not sure if I can see that happening.
amber canyon
I mean, Hermes is unusual
drifting citrus
isn't he the only olympian that regularly interacts with the underworld?
austere apex
I think so, yeah
amber canyon
Yup
He is a conductor of souls
He also is a lot more mobile than the regular olympian gods
west moat
I'm really curious how many characters we'll get with keepsakes
since there's an entire extra row.
tardy cedar
@amber canyon omega galaxy brain theory: one of the snakes is the narrator
amber canyon
Ill do you one better
It turns out there are 3 snakes, with the staff itself being a snake
And that snake is the narrator
tardy cedar
Snakes all the way down