Spices the game up a bit
#h1-story-discussion
late nacelle
vestal lintel
murder
late nacelle
Big mood tbh
vestal lintel
@amber canyon what does his wrath do?
digital crag
tisiphone: mmmmmm
zag: let me guess, murder?
tisiphone: mooood
late nacelle
Woah her attacks are so cool
rigid bluff
poseidons wrath is somewhat underwhelming
hard to hit them a lot cause you pushing them away
rigid bluff
but yeah murders attacks having the same animations threw me of for a bit
i think shes gonna do meg AOE but instead she does a stunning beam
lime yoke
what if u just turn into a homing missile
rigid bluff
i take back what i just said about posideon
just pushed a whole enemy wave into lava
late nacelle
Every 25% health Tisiphone makes the map smaller :0
lime yoke
idk if ur supposed to be able to gift em after the first encounter
shrewd arrow
whats new with meg
amber canyon
You gift him in the house of hades
rigid bluff
idk whats new with you
rigid bluff
athena+ artemis
shrewd arrow
what does it do
rigid bluff
anytime i deflect all dmg i do is crit for 3 sec
rigid bluff
sucks that my deflect is on bow special only lul
amber canyon
1% per room cleared damageless
fast idol
Okay finished a run with the uh
winter thunder
can anyone confirm or deny with the latest patch, theres a 3rd lvl now or more? since more bosses?
late nacelle
Alternate bosses though
winter thunder
ohh feelsbadman
late nacelle
Really cool alts though, its not just meg reskins
vestal lintel
oh man this update is so good
fast idol
Makes me hope we get more than just the Hydra eventually
late nacelle
Tisiphone was soo much fun
cold canopy
also contesting with your half brother to see who can kill more is amazing
cold canopy
IKR
late nacelle
And also tisphones attack art looks really clean and nice
shrewd arrow
the angry one
fast idol
Tanathos can kill me any time
sleek cape
did meg get an upgrade?
shrewd arrow
looks kinda bad tbh
vestal lintel
Alecto is angry gurl
sleek cape
cause the other sis seem harder to beat
shrewd arrow
too bright
fast idol
also what does the green Murderer Fury do
with the weird screen fade out
I didn't get it and then she got me
vestal lintel
smaller room
late nacelle
It makes the map smaller
fast idol
oh dang
late nacelle
So the final stages are intense as heck
vestal lintel
is meg still bad tho
vestal lintel
too easy
late nacelle
Idk, for a 1st floor boss I think its appropriate
vestal lintel
does she have anything new?
late nacelle
Not got her yet sorry
vestal lintel
i like tisiphone cuz she doesn't spawn ads and seems actually difficult
late nacelle
I really like how her attacks look too
Not got angery 1 yet
She looks cool though!
cold canopy
🦈
amber canyon
Personally, I still think Megs fight is the most well-rounded
Alecto just builds up rage and then you have to dodge until it runs out
Or if youre on whipped frenzy, you get hit anyway
fast idol
I love how angry just
sighs once she is done with her rage
vestal lintel
what does whipped frenzy do?
maiden cairn
boost speed of all enemies
late nacelle
Artemis's wrath is so cool holy moly
amber canyon
Man, Thanatos is so broody
maiden cairn
in a cute sort of way 
maiden wharf
thanatos hot ):
maiden cairn
legit
ive never had any interest in a dating sim
but if they made a "joke" side game dating sim
id pay
what a great game to be bi for 😏
fast idol
also does anyone know who the last mystery journal entry belongs to?
vestal lintel
give us Hades the fighting game
rigid bluff
what you mean joke if they make a kickstarter for it id pay in a heartbeat
maiden cairn
what do you mean by pitching
rigid bluff
why does hades say engulf them nephew after you win?
amber canyon
Yknow, I do like Angry Meg and Crazy Meg
rigid bluff
who doing the engulfing??
amber canyon
But I wish I could see cute meg again
rigid bluff
am i getting engulfed?
maiden cairn
idk the stuff hades says makes no sense tbh
like why does he say congratulations
when you "win"
amber canyon
Oh my god Hypnos
You mad lad
His suggestion as to how he and Than could spend more time together
"Just kill all the humans lol"
maiden cairn
ez
vestal lintel
lol
rigid bluff
btw what is than for zag?
late nacelle
Thanatos seems like your older brother who got back from college and challenged you to a video game
rigid bluff
like a cousin a brother?
amber canyon
Half-brother, but not really
rigid bluff
with nyx?
rigid bluff
theres a roadmap?
sleek cape
Yeahp
green crystal
ooooooo
late nacelle
Why can't I gift thanatos ambrosia?
digital crag
belgo back at it again with the avatars huh
lunar kiln
listen,
rigid bluff
in 2 months tho
cold canopy
he never disappoints
or always disappoints, depending on how you view those horrifying smiles
I love them tho
lunar kiln
i tried something like that with tisiphone's face but the result was too much
lunar kiln
no i dont wanna send it here it's... not that good
rigid bluff
any murderers here tonight?
raven gale
TISIPHONE WAS SOO FUN
sleek cape
"that's one way to prove im innocent"
raven gale
yeah
fast idol
No one:
Tisiphone: MURRRRDEERRRR
amber canyon
Eh
sleek cape
Im just thinking about heat
amber canyon
Id say Alecto is the hardest
amber canyon
Tisyphone is mainly hard because of her animations
sleek cape
digital crag
murder, not even once
amber canyon
Oh and Alecto also cant be beaten with whipped frenzy
raven gale
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmurrr
muuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurdeeeeeeeeeeereeer
that dialogue was amazing , god bless whoever wrote that
amber shore
at first i thought she was purring like a cat
rigid bluff
MMMMMUMMM
raven gale
oh hey melis
cold canopy
jan you could use the backgrounds that they gave on twitter if you wanted to
raven gale
its me aaron (Ahmet)
amber shore
lmaooo hey ahmet
digital crag
how do you do emojis in names again
cold canopy
you gotta copy them from when they show up in browswer
sleek cape
I love em
digital crag
nice
rigid bluff
dion needs a full wrathmeter
open hound
tisiphone was quite the fight i was not prepeared to say the least and with 80% healing reduction healing back up again might be a bit of a challange :P
rigid bluff
what is zeus
amber canyon
Lots of Lightning Strikes, apparently
open hound
poseidon is half
ebon cradle
tisiphone is simple for me but
sorry for name i forgot to chance my default one :(
alecta is difficult
how does her rage work?
digital crag
festive
raven gale
Poseidon just called me Little Hades halşjasdas
digital crag
i feel all decked out in update festivities
open hound
ride a wave and knock yourself into enemies while invunrable for 4 sec
late nacelle
You can still attack her in rage
amber shore
so do you n ot get meg anymore if you get the two other sisters?
late nacelle
She just attacks faster
open hound
probably forced encounter for the other two before a roll between all 3 i guess
lime yoke
mmmurderr
cold canopy
muuuurrrrrr
digital crag
mmmmacaroni
lime yoke
fought her once but she's probably the hardest, and Meg's somewhere in the middle
frozen jolt
i didnt fight alecto yet, i only did one run :(
lime yoke
i have yet to git gud enough to beat hydra
amber canyon
Is it even possible to get regular meg anymore?
frozen jolt
i think im finally beating the hydra consistently
because im not good with the gun and im still pulling it off
lime yoke
also scythe boi drama queen owns my heart
digital crag
he's so extra
frozen jolt
i think i made it harder for myself by getting so stressed my hands were shaking every time i fought it hahaha
lime yoke
aw, rip
digital crag
guess we finally figured out where zag learned his brooding moments from
mr broodmaster himself
lime yoke
omg
late nacelle
Thanatos is a cutey and he dont even kno it
digital crag
hold on i need to make a meme
fast idol
Zagreus is just an algamation of people from the House of Hades
late nacelle
Tell me 8 words you'd ever want to hear more than "hold on i need to make a meme"
You can't can you?
lime yoke
ok u know whats funny xD my default response when someone says im cute is to say 'i'm not cute, i'm murder'
this game, help
vestal lintel
jesus Meg is still so weak
lunar kiln
i also need to make a meme
cold canopy
i eagerly await
tame mortar
Wow Athena's Wrath is insane
late nacelle
Does pierced butterfly have any sort of indicator about what its at?
vestal lintel
oh man im so unaware of the quality of Hades memes
vestal lintel
also what it do
tame mortar
Invuln and deflect everything
vestal lintel
i assume that
tame mortar
Just laugh as everything kills itself
late nacelle
Ah ty
lime yoke
do all of them transform you or you just awkwardly stay where you were and deflect stuff? xD
tame mortar
The Hydra was incredibly easy/quick with it - her Epic wrath boon, stacked with a lvl 2 that made it charge faster
amber canyon
I do like that the screen gets tinted whenever you use a wrath
tame mortar
I basically was reflect during the entire fight
late nacelle
If pierced butterfly is +3% per damageless room it seems it could get kinda crazy OP
At level 3
sour pike
I just got the update!!! Where do you meet Thanatos I’m scared I missed him 😱 is he a midway boss for Tartarus? I couldn’t find where in the messages
maiden cairn
its a room type, you have no control over missing him
late nacelle
Are you guaranteed 1 thanatos per run?
fast idol
no
maiden cairn
the first run after update probably is tho
fast idol
Yeah, my second run didn't have him
which was pretty sad because on my first run in I didn't have any ambrosia
lunar kiln
nobody:
tisiphone: https://i.imgur.com/QY1ST4g.jpg
fast idol
AH
late nacelle
Jesus
vestal lintel
oh gods
amber canyon
What in the 7 hells
fast idol
👁 👄 👁
amber shore
murder...... of my eyes
late nacelle
Omg I thought pierced butterfly reset once you take damage but it doesnt reset... I love this
stark tulip
“feelin cute tonight might delete later”
fast idol
wait where do you get those damageless things
late nacelle
Thanatos keepsake
lime yoke
i still dont have Dio's keepsake xD
fast idol
and whats that whip thing?
maiden cairn
like i had a good meta of taking different stuff for different runs, the butterfly might be hard to pass up all the time
fast idol
I like taking god keepsake if I am in the mood for certain boons
y'know when you just really wanna be a zappy boy
maiden cairn
i usually took coins first then range dmg, skull earing, tooth if im in trouble, bracer if im melee focused
coins jump start a run nicely to buy boons to protect you from needing healing in the future, resulting in even more boons
spare hawk
Sleep we shall
fast idol
The Rage effects really take their toll
cold canopy
BELGO that picture is ILLEGAL but i love it
fast idol
espescially archer god's
lunar kiln
look i know my name is Like That but thanatos is literally barefoot https://i.imgur.com/BnyLsBn.jpg
ornate viper
Scene vs goth
fast idol
Also whats with the exposed thiddy
lime yoke
goth punk solidarity
fast idol
at this rate I will never be able to cosplay any of these boys bc I really don't like baring my chest ):<
lime yoke
ohno i just realized something
vestal lintel
wut
lime yoke
now we know why Zag's fashion sense is Like That™
maiden cairn
cosplay skelly
rigid bluff
bdsm
rigid bluff
r u telling me to git gud
fast idol
no I am telling you to don't do anything but dodge when shes raging
bc she gets realllllllly fast
lime yoke
to me she felt easier than Meg o.o
fast idol
I just had the Spear upgrade which makes every boss trivial so I actually don't have a say
and now I am actually off to bed
lime yoke
yeah tbf i had a lot of crit on my spear xD
stoic wave
how does her rage phase end btw ? i was to occupied dodging so i have no idea if its dmg or time based
agile agate
What does thanatos encounter do ?
dusty nimbus
i have no idea
stoic wave
you have to kill more mobs than him for an extra reward
dusty nimbus
it didnt seem to end for a while after dodging so i went in to fight
stoic wave
bottom left it shows how many you killed vs him
dusty nimbus
maybe it resets after you do a quarter of her health
agile agate
haa I see
rigid bluff
i only had death room once and all the enmies were armored minibosses
paper stream
what's the extra reward
rigid bluff
i didnt get any lul
dusty nimbus
you can get easy damage in, during her initial rage windup
paper stream
I wasn't even close, my build was more about survivng than doing damage
dusty nimbus
so i guess you have to glass cannon her
paper stream
that's a bit disappointing, was hoping for something unique
stoic wave
yeah rage fury wasnt that hard for me but tisiphone was hard to get used to with new mechanics, her fast dashes, smaller room
agile agate
Something like a boon
stoic wave
there are the double boons though ?
shy socket
Double boons are AMAZING
stoic wave
yep
agile agate
The duo boons are not the room with two boons ?
dusty nimbus
wait double boons?
shy socket
I got a Poseidon+Zeus one that struck things with lightning every time you knock something back... and I was running shield
agile agate
wow
dusty nimbus
or can u just get two attack boons randomly
shy socket
No
shy socket
They specifically fuse mechanics
amber canyon
Ive missed meg
stoic wave
i only did 3 runs now
dusty nimbus
oh nice
vestal lintel
theres only 6 tho
agile agate
Are duo boons with specific icons ?
raven gale
okay am i missing something
shy socket
I also got a broken one that gives you auto crit for X seconds after a deflect
stoic wave
do the furies cycle the same always ?
shy socket
Yes
raven gale
where can i find thanatos ?
vestal lintel
which is a little bit disappointing
raven gale
i defeated the murder lady
stoic wave
thanatos is rnd encounter in aspodel i think
shy socket
Nope, I had Green, Red, Red and still no Bae.... I mean Mef
shy socket
Meg
stoic wave
so i got lucky with green red blue 😛
amber canyon
Tartarus or Asphodel
dusty nimbus
damn
amber canyon
He is just random
shy socket
Ahahahahaah, jesus
dusty nimbus
i cant believe i didnt find any yet 
lyric pine
I vote we call alecto's lil spinny boyos Doombas
shy socket
This game is going to be the littest release of 2020 and itll drop at the start of the year
dusty nimbus
also can i say how blessed it is to now be able to reload while walking with the gun
vestal lintel
i feel like the game is in a solid start right now
shy socket
And we're not even HALFWAY through the early access
stoic wave
my 2nd run i finished with 6 death defi since i got so many choices for it and everything else was meeeh xD
dusty nimbus
yeah this is the best early access content ever made
stoic wave
but they need to add some visual indicator for the powered up death defiances from boons
rigid bluff
6 defiance
stoic wave
would be nice
rigid bluff
thanatos must really think you hate him
vestal lintel
when we ever gonna fight a minotaur tho
raven gale
okay yeah , Alecto was harder
shy socket
Can you do anything to stop her murder razor things?
stoic wave
they time out after a while but if you get caught it hurts 😄
dusty nimbus
yeah those were lethal
shy socket
Also, the butterfly trinket is amazing
dusty nimbus
i almost have it leveled up once
shy socket
It's a mini erebus for each of your encounters
dusty nimbus
unfortunately i was rusty and took too much dmg
only had like 7% extra dmg when i beat the run
dusty nimbus
but oh boy if it gives 3% per clear on a 28 room run thats gonna hurt
oh thats nice
neat crow
Pierced Butterfly is my favourite now
amber canyon
Pierced Butterfly is dope
neat crow
+20% damage or more by the time I hit Fury? Yes please
amber canyon
Well its not that good
rigid bluff
is dating death illegal
dusty nimbus
only if youre still alive
shy socket
It would be if you were related
dusty nimbus
also pretty akward if you die
stoic wave
pierced butterfly should give extra dmg for boss encounter especially with the new furies
shy socket
But he's like your housemate
raven gale
im having fps issues 😦
rigid bluff
death seemed pretty upset that you didnt say bye to him
dusty nimbus
i only have fps drops with dionysus boons
rigid bluff
like a scorned lover
dusty nimbus
especially if i get the dash AND cast boon
he did LOL, i thought he was his bf, then realized they were related and felt dumb
onyx spoke
Wait I just saw the Beyonder Orb in Zag's room
dusty nimbus
invinciblity on a button press is nice i guess
shy socket
The thing that makes em explode when you wall hit is amazing
dusty nimbus
on the other hand aphrodites is kinda lacking
amber canyon
Ok so
dusty nimbus
the charm lasts for like 3 seconds on mobs and is not that great :(
dusty nimbus
its nice for hydra actually because it doesnt even fight back when charmed
lime yoke
can Zag please steal his scythe
dusty nimbus
yeah its just kinda weird that it seems like it would be good for charming mobs
it should probably be permanent for mobs
that would help
stoic wave
poseidon with knockback on attack, shotgun, longer stun on knockback and explode on wallhit is craaaazy xD
dusty nimbus
you can only get like 3 wraths max per chamber so i say thats fair
paper stream
just fought the rage fury, but couldn't really tell how hard she was because I had an extremely OP build that killed her easily (9 damage/sec blight wine special on shield)
paper stream
so basically I just ran around and she died quick to DoT
stoic wave
56 days is long but well probably get new biome + boss so thats ok
amber canyon
In fact, let us play Thanatos and have a special shirtless skin
shy socket
It literally says so in roadmap xD
amber canyon
Also Im surprised thanatos isnt a boss
shy socket
Next update is biome 3
dusty nimbus
yeah also this patch added so much in terms of new builds i think its fine
amber canyon
But, given how much effort is put into his challenge room
Maybe he still is a boss eventually?
amber canyon
I mean look at him
dusty nimbus
yall got a deathwish i swear
amber canyon
He is so cute
shy socket
That 10k dmg makes for a tough boss tho
dusty nimbus
truth
amber canyon
I dont want to ever meet him due to his duties, but still
vestal lintel
honestly yall are thirsty for everyone
stoic wave
thanatos "was" zags brother so i dont think he will be a boss, he likes zag to much xD
amber canyon
Meg and Zag were literally in a relationship
shy socket
Meg is implied to be if not an ex, then like a childhood bff
amber canyon
So Im not sure being that close is neccessarily a reason against it
lime yoke
final boss will probably be Cerberus so
lime yoke
none of your loved ones are safe
dusty nimbus
vestal lintel
hey so what do burn flingers do
lime yoke
cant wait to git gud and get my heart broken
amber canyon
They fling burns
shy socket
They fling burn
lunar kiln
wave-makers played too much Pyre
amber canyon
Hah, ninjad
vestal lintel
like in what way
amber canyon
But yeah, they send out waves
Projectiles that go through obstacles
Theyre reflectable though
shy socket
Also hydra heads do that too now
vestal lintel
but don't the wave guys do they same thing?
stoic wave
yeah the new hydra heads got me hard the first time xD
dusty nimbus
i thought i was fighting a new hydra when those guys fired at me
shy socket
And due to Megs sisters being bloodthirsty, i forget i dont have a cushion of 3 defies
amber canyon
Yup, the new radioactive hydra heads also do it
dusty nimbus
maybe i was just playing weird so it hardly happened
vestal lintel
whats the difference between wave makers and burn flingers?
rigid bluff
one makes waves the other flings burns
amber canyon
Peculiar
Burn Flingers appear to be in the codex
But Ive yet to encounter them, somehow
stoic wave
anyone tried buffed sword already ?
shy socket
You mean the truck of hades?
vestal lintel
truck
shy socket
Hits like one
mystic tusk
I'm not going to be able to play tonight, would someone be willing to tell me the differences with the new furies?
rigid bluff
*new furries
dusty nimbus
i love the sword...
maiden cairn
one has a shrinking arena and nasty AOE, the other gets speedier combat as you hit her
shy socket
One shrinks the room and shoots at angles
The other gets really angery and has ares boons
stoic wave
they fudge you up hard thats whats new 😛
vestal lintel
and meg is still super easy
maiden cairn
i rly dont like the chop
shy socket
Dont you be hating on meg
amber canyon
One has a rage meter that builds up as you do damage to her
And once its maxed out, she speeds up drastically and does new attacks
vestal lintel
i would never
dusty nimbus
onehitting mobs is satisfying
shy socket
She broke your spine enough times when you were a greenhorn
vestal lintel
i love meg
dusty nimbus
just a swift BOP to the head
amber canyon
The other one shrinks the room each time you change a phase (75%, 50% and 25% threshhold)
Into a small box with a corridor
dusty nimbus
i guess its cool once in a while
vestal lintel
but like i want her to do cool stuff
dusty nimbus
but yeah no combos would get stale after a while
amber canyon
The box gimmick is kind of wonky, and her attacks due to mismatched animations are a pain
amber canyon
And Alecto just forces you to wait before attacking her again
dusty nimbus
its as simple as that
stoic wave
meg could get a little harder but i like that meg is a really well made bossfight, everything she does has an indication with the right amount of time
maiden cairn
im sure the others will get tightened up
maiden cairn
murderface's animations rly seem a bit misleading but i might just not be used to them
i find it hard to appraise and play at the same time
amber canyon
Nah theyre misleading
stoic wave
yeah green fury is hard to read especially when she double dashes from outside of your viewing field
amber canyon
Theyre just reused meg animations which really dont fit her attacks
maiden cairn
ye
idk tho if its misleading if i wasnt expecting something
else
they seem like fair enough for what she does, but the timing between animation and actually dodging is longer than it oughta be
shy socket
I mean, the reused animations make sense... we are in early access
maiden cairn
ye its understandable for sure, i expected alt fury sisters to be similar
stoic wave
yeah they all got a whip so some attack patterns should be the same and im fine with that
maiden cairn
honestly my performance against meg was
very poor
idk i start to get lazy when i expect her to be easy
adding alt fights will keep me on my toes
spark notch
anyone knows where i can find the hades roadmap?
cold canopy
in game in the main menu, click on the counter to the next update. its in the bottom right
spark notch
++ ty
onyx spoke
is thanatos voiced by the same guy that did asher kendrell?
cold canopy
i believe so!
fair light
Yes indeed -- Chris Saphire. He also voiced Hedwyn in Pyre!
frozen jolt
thats already in the game 
umbral wolf
MORE
frozen jolt
he voiced asher as well right?
sand marsh
I'm imagining Thanatos with a cat like Asher's now. Blessed.
rigid bluff
who was asher again
pallid bison
i finished 3 runs and didnt run into thanatos am i missing something?
fallen cipher
Meet's Thanatos. My reaction: "oh no he's hot"
leaden canyon
azure basin
I've had limited time to hop into the game and play the update. Is Thanatos a new boss?
lunar kiln
azure basin
I see! 😁
shy socket
He's really a terrible brother in that exchange
latent condor
how the hell do i unlock thanatos Q.Q
pallid bison
i saw people saying it was a random room encounter but finished 3 runs and didnt get him once
rigid bluff
you die
bronze brook
but my win streak 😢
amber canyon
Yeah thats the "genocide the humans for some days off" Hypnos exchange
ancient ocean
got him on my first run but not second - I wonder what the spawn rate is?
rigid hearth
so new furies sometimes replace meg?
indigo nacelle
I just got him on my first try of new update, that said im still holding my victory spree 😛
neat crow
That is correct, krem
rigid hearth
nice
latent condor
i guess it's just because my save don't have that many escape attempt that i don't see him yet
quite sad that i lost my older save but it definitly help rediscovering a lot of the game x)
neat crow
Couldn't say, I haven't started a new game yet for this patch, just my same one that I've been running since day 1
I should start a new one, though, since we have 2 months to kill
neat crow
Congrats!
latent condor
i'm trying to beat a run with 50 heat, all on hp and damage, and heeeellll it hurt
the murderous sister look to be the hardest furies to me
neat crow
Tissy is very hard compared to the other 2
indigo nacelle
thanks !
i only had the one with a smile show up
how does the mummy lady work ?
frozen jolt
i found alecto the hardest, so far
neat crow
Tisiphone? She shrinks the room ever 1/4 of her health
And has very fast attacks, plus a stun attack
neat crow
Now that the other Furies are here, we can finally #GiveMegABreak
tired prawn
quality hashtag
maiden wharf
i really like the tisiphone fight
lunar kiln
meg to alecto when zag defeats her: lol u mad sis
get it bc alecto's entire gimmick is that she's really angry
neat crow
The others just got here, though... And they ||aren't welcome in The House of Hades|| so not sure where they'll take their breaks
Just for you, though, almmmmma, I present:
#MmmmmmhMrrrrrrMURDER
#MakeZagScream
neat crow
It's super good
zenith lichen
Indeed
neat crow
There's also a thing to increase your max stacks of Blight Wine
obsidian bone
@zenith lichen you mean the legendary one?
or all curse boons from Ares now stacking?
neat crow
You have to get a boon to add stacking to Ares curse
obsidian bone
oh, thx
maiden wharf
dio's wrath made my frames drop hard in the hydra fight because there was so much stuff on the screen haha
obsidian bone
i am getting frame drop every time i go blade-rifts cast build -_-
supple flax
so meg and zag confirmed had a thing previously?
obsidian bone
if you get legendary boon from Ares on top of that its like 1 fps even if you hit 3 foes
supple flax
just got a cutscene where she was getting the last of her stuff from zag's room
obsidian bone
1050 Ti btw...
supple flax
also having lag problems myself
maiden wharf
what did meg say
frozen jolt
she says "things cant go back to how they used to be" or something like that, i think
theres a fair amount of lines hinting at it in general
supple flax
she said something like "collecting the last of my possessions" and brief black screen into zag being upset that it can't go back to [how it used to be]
maiden wharf
oh boy
rustic pewter
does the butterfly trinket have a maximum?
maiden wharf
like a max percent bonus?
rustic pewter
yeah
maiden wharf
hmm, probably not, i guess it just keeps going as long as you don't get hit haha since it only increases in small increments
rustic pewter
right
maiden wharf
but i can't confirm that
rustic pewter
might just mess around and go for a flawless run
maiden wharf
hella
lunar kiln
where is your hair is your spine ok https://i.imgur.com/uVV7vLo.jpg
frozen jolt
it looks fine to me
tired anvil
so far i've only gotten lucky enough to try Aphrodite and posiedon's Wraths... i suspect Aphrodite's will be the worst overall? btw is it meant to work on bosses? cause i managed to "charm" Alecto so she just ran in a circle for 5 seconds.
maiden wharf
dionysus's is great
late nacelle
Does needing a full bar make it still good?
mystic tusk
tisiphone doesn't really have much to say, does she?
lunar kiln
apparently it's supposed to work on bosses
maiden wharf
i don't really like aphrodite's stuff
lunar kiln
ooooh
i see it now
yeah the spike in front of her made it look like she was bending her back in an impossible way
zenith lichen
Murder
onyx spoke
hades actually sound surprised when I killed the hydra
"He's done it, Cerberus!"
neat crow
That's some good ol' Dad Sarcasm
spring scaffold
Oh, that's a nice one 😮
amber canyon
Ive yet to see one :S
amber canyon
How much is World Splitter baseline?
old frost
I think World Splitter baseline is 100 damage
amber canyon
Dope
sleek cape
I managed to get it 300 with athena
tfw when inorder to delfect you have to use sword special
gloomy marten
AAAAAHHHH i forgot to take a screen shot
Zeus and Poseidon have a duo that zaps people when you use a knock back effect
rigid bluff
whackem and zapem
late goblet
I noticed in the Codex that there is another Artifact after heat, any of you know what that is?
vague notch
Tris the op 😂 just kicked my ass wasn’t prepared at all
sharp berry
the room shrinking was such a good surprise 💯 👌
didnt even notice it til it was too late
maiden wharf
the tisiphone fight is really fun
visual laurel
for the entirety of that boss fight i was just dashing back and forth going NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE
visual laurel
i had all my mirror boons on so i managed not to lose a death defy or anything but she still ate a big chunk of my health
sharp berry
the stun before the dash tho??
amber canyon
Tisiphone looks like shed be fun on maxed whipped frenzy
Alecto however is the stuff of nightmares
You cant avoid the damage
You have to chain dodges as soon as possible, and you will get hit inbetween the chains
honest coral
I prefer alecto, tisiphone has the pause when switching rooms and also the full invuln period after that
Probably going to write a feedback about it
visual laurel
yeah the alecto fight is much easier
sleek cape
Hmm I have some complaints
amber canyon
On normal speed yes
Its on whipped frenzy where Alecto is just impossible
While Tisi is still reasonably doable
sharp berry
oh man, I aint going near max whipped frenzy yet
amber canyon
I do like the boss fights though
sharp berry
louts are stupid w/ that
sleek cape
I'm doing no heat runs till I figuire out how to proc duo boons
And like map stuff out
sharp berry
true
If you want to search for duos, I think poseidon should have another one w/ another god
honest coral
Having a consistent Athena/Artemis duo seed would be real nice
sharp berry
it's pretty good ye
amber canyon
Wouldnt it be redundant on spear?
honest coral
Can always use more damage
MOAR DAKKA
Basically it would move it from 4x base damage to 6x (not accounting for backstab bonus)
sharp berry
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraoraoraoraoraoraoraoraoraoraoraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
that's what imagining moar crit is like
on spear
uncut sail
just me or the game got harder?
I used to do 60 heats runs without sweating and now I get destroyed xD
honest coral
The new bosses catch you off guard
uncut sail
the murder fury is insnae with high heat
rapid zinc
I like that Tisiphone turns into bats when she dies
amber canyon
I think both of the new furies do
rapid zinc
I haven't fought Alecto yet so idk
amber canyon
I have, I think Tisi turns into green bets, Alecto into red bats
The real Thanatos is the friends we made along the way
icy stone
for real though, I'm on my third run, killed both new bosses, and no sign of him
honest coral
THANATOS
CAR
THANATOS
CAR
amber canyon
Happens, its random
icy stone
where does he come into effect?
amber canyon
Yeah, he can appear in Tartarus or Asphodel
icy stone
some rooms will be a "thanatos room"?
icy stone
is he suppoused to be that rare? I just beat tararus on my third run, and got past at least the aphodel midboss every run so far
honest coral
Thanatos requires you to have a minimum of two runs since thanatos spawn, 23 runs completed, a biome depth of 3 and only apears once per run
Runs completed it likely escape attempts
Rather than 'wins'
Biome depth of 10 in tartarus
amber canyon
Wait, so you can only get Thanatos once every 3 runs?
honest coral
Apparently
visual laurel
whaaat
honest coral
Haven't played enough of this patch to verify that
honest coral
Yeah
boreal halo
runic terrace
same happened to me....hell show up one day
scenic comet
Thanatos can get it, damn.
fading brook
hey i don't mean to sound like super upset over this and please do not dogpile me for this, i'm gonna put my thoughts on some of the lore so far re: zagreus, thanatos, and megaera under a cut because it was kind of. a lot. to take in but
||the fact that more content continues to be added in implying zagreus and meg dated. and then later zagreus is textually implied to have grown up thinking thanatos was his brother. and meg and thanatos are equally as related to zag (not by blood, but by adoption?) but meg being zag's adoptive sister isn't really brought up that often the way thanatos is, and it just. idk. makes me feel bad that it's not a big deal for zag and meg to date despite being adoptive siblings, but thanatos being hurt that zagreus left is immediately a "he's his brother" thing||
ok done baring my soul for the night time to run away
old frost
Wait come back I'm not completely sure what you're argument is but I'm interested
lime yoke
something something double standards
digital crag
smells like double standards
lime yoke
same hat
digital crag
oh hat
old frost
is my brain not processing english right
fading brook
basically i just want zagreus to be allowed to kiss boys and i don't understand how it is that in a story about greek figures (who textually cannot stop dating their family members) that it's fine for het to exist like this but zagreus and thanatos' relationship is immediately HE'S HIS BROTHER!!!! HE THOUGHT THEY WERE BROTHERS!!!!!!!!!!!
as a gay person it just makes me really sad
lime yoke
mood
old frost
Ohhh!!!I see! I wasn't sure if you were arguing against or for Thanatos x Zag but my brain is juswt dead rn'
And yeah, If there are romantic options there should be more optiosn than. Just Meg.
lime yoke
i dont think we'll witness them getting back together xD
fading brook
i'm arguing it should be allowed! and by really driving the brother thing home it feels, intentionally or not, like this reasoning is only getting in the way of a gay ship
by this same reasoning the fact zag dated meg should be treated as weird : (
marsh elbow
ngl before the brother thing came up i was like "oh? another ex? 👀 🙏 "
red anvil
did zag date meg?
old frost
i eman low key same
fading brook
heavily textually implied, yes
old frost
very...ver.y.. heavily implied
digital crag
my salt mines are endless
fading brook
all but outright said to be
digital crag
salt economy is booming
fading brook
and i just wanted to like, get this out there bc i just want the devs to like, understand where i am coming from
old frost
Yeah I'm in agreement
But either way I think romance in the game would be.. out of place? Although I wouldn't be opposed if it was added in
fading brook
i'm not even necessarily saying that this needs to be a romance option situation
red anvil
zagreus's story is very much about family and picking sides, i don't think romance is out of the question
old frost
It'd be very heart wrenching to leave whoever you romanced behind
fading brook
just that in terms of backstory writing, why is it that the het adoptive couple is "they dated" but the potential gay is nixed by "they're brothers"
maiden wharf
true :< we gotta stuff em in our pocket and bring em with us haha
i do agree with you though
lime yoke
good point, Manda
spring scaffold
To be fair, in Greek mythology, both are compatible. So Zag and Than might have dated too, it's just that this part of their history is less important to them than their bond as siblings?
fading brook
thank you guys for being understanding u__u i was afraid to bring it up because big game discords can feel scary wrt voicing my concerns as a gay person seeing these narratives
digital crag
doesn't change that fact that the story is treating the things differently
naive copper
IIRC greek gods never had problems with marrying and having children between what humans would consider siblings, ares and aphrodite had a thing i think
maiden wharf
zag and than would be really interesting
old frost
Ares and Aphrodite def had a thing
maiden wharf
i’d like to see it develop
old frost
^^ Yeah
fading brook
yeah what risu said! this is a story being written by human beings it's not a story that just like came out of nowhere
lime yoke
i just want to borrow his scythe
marsh elbow
would addressing the concerns in the feedback channel make them clearer to the devs?
fading brook
it's not Real Life.
old frost
That's what feedback is for
fading brook
i wasn't sure because feedback usually seems more focused on fixing gameplay not narrative
old frost
True,,
marsh elbow
i mean it's still feedback about the game itself
lime yoke
i mean, it's still part of feedback
marsh elbow
and sg does spend a lot of time on the narrative as well, it's part of the charm of the games
fading brook
like i don't want to walk in there like "i think you should rewrite this" and then get downvoted because everyone thinks i'm insane
marsh elbow
i don't think it's the type of thing that should get dismissed
old frost
I mean, at least four of us agree
lime yoke
nah, just gotta word that better
spring scaffold
"Feedback should pertain to your experience playing the latest version of Hades."
Does not really say it's got to be about gameplay, just about your experience. And the narrative is just as much a part of your experience as anything else.
marsh elbow
we're on your side manda :,3
lime yoke
but they could totally add more without rewriting
marsh elbow
^
fading brook
thank you guys this has been a really good talk
lime yoke
it's ongoing narrative with updates
old frost
lime yoke
your concerns are totally valid
naive copper
Phrase it along the lines of, itll add too the narrative and engagement to the story if they could work in romance options? I think itll be cool to see
knotty shore
even if there wasn’t romance options it’d be nice to see a zagreus who can go either way
old frost
heh
knotty shore
and reflect that greek myth reality
fading brook
i don't even need to see romance options! just, like, maybe cut the brother line
old frost
Yeah
fading brook
i agree if this game wasn't intending to have romance options i don't want to strongarm a whole new mechanic in
lime yoke
supergiant doesn't exactly have the best record with this type of explicit representation so...
old frost
More of he's offended because zags abandoning him in general, not just because they're siblings
lime yoke
all i'm saying is they can do better
marsh elbow
whom is good with words & wants to write in feedback channel so i can upvote u
knotty shore
games don’t need romance options to show a character’s sexuality (as fun as it can be) but sometimes things feel bad even if they don’t intend to be
yeah zo you’re right!
than’s feelings are valid but enforcing WE WERE BROTHERS is frustrating given, well, “meg was his ex”
old frost
In sgg's defence the addition of nb pronouns in Pyre was so nice 😔 🤘
old frost
It actually helped me realize I was nb
knotty shore
omg that’s so awesome
red anvil
if the explicit representation is about transistor then, like, yes, that wasn't explicit, but it was very very very strongly implied, and i'm super blind to subtext in general mostly
old frost
It's,,, so sappy but true,,,,
red anvil
yeah, i liked picking pronouns in pyre as a trans person
knotty shore
me toooo
fading brook
sure! and i think we've come a really long way but we can always improve this
knotty shore
sgg’s doing a lot more than most game devs even if sometimes there’s errors
but hey we’re human
old frost
Yeah
knotty shore
it happens. even if it shouldn’t it happens
old frost
I appreciate them for tryin
marsh elbow
y'all mind if i run a possible feedback msg abt this by y'all before posting to the channel?
lime yoke
i liked that you could switch pronouns in pyre at any time, that probably made some genderfluid people especially happy
old frost
Sure nix
marsh elbow
"noticed that upon meeting thanatos we get a strong "oh? another ex?" vibe, similar to meg, but then it gets pushed to the side because of the emphasis on the half-brothers thing. it felt off-putting to have this relationship treated differently from the one with meg."
old frost
Oh wait you could change pronouns mid game??
lament sail
I agree w the weird feelings re : thanatos . It's not even about like. Whether there romance or not, but to have meg/zag constantly be hinted at , and even the like. Possible Weird Factor being played for laughs.
lament sail
And then IMMEDIATELY after meeting than the game tells you directly OH THEYRE BASICALLY BROTHERS
lime yoke
Tskami, also apparently in pyre?? which is just... oof. like you either commit or not
old frost
That's good Nix 👌
knotty shore
meg/zag isn’t a problem it’s the weird standard of “sister is ok but brother? no way”
lament sail
Yeah
fading brook
nix i like that feedback
lime yoke
yup
lament sail
It definitely feels like a double standard
old frost
And we already have a 'brotherly' char in Hypnos