#h1-story-discussion
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you fight cerberus and win and when you die you go back thru the blood pool and hes waiting there for you
the watchdog affectionately licks your face, to assure you that all is well between the two of you.
oh no i got better
Apparently poms are exclusive to the underworld too
Btw does chaos give a legendary boom?
According to mythology, eating poms makes you tied to the underworld.
welp them i'm a goner already
I assume cerberus is somewhat tied as well, so the doggo would return as per usual.
nvm kam's idea is peak brain
Tho, I think the poms in hades work a bit differently
because persephone ate six, and was tied so she could only come to eath in spring, when the flowers are blooming.
Whilst it seems clear that in hades, persephone hasn't been around.
oh btw i took a picture of one of the statues in the new tartarus chambers
https://i.imgur.com/aR10ntJ.png this one
She is probably persephone
when ur at a party and ur getting tired so you drop ur smile and stand under a big square
god mood
I wonder what zagreus is the god of.
Sass
because every god is a "god of something"
And talking back to Hades
Actually in the greek mitology Hades and persephone had a quite good relationship
If you compare it to the rest of the gods
the "it's not a phase" god
The god of abs
One of the clips that plays as youāre starting a run establishes Zag as the god of talking back to Hades
Maybe persephone and Hades are colaborating to make zagreus stronger
Here's poseidon, he controls the entire ocean. Now this guy, this guy... he... he is the god of wine. Yes, he uh... does wine things? Or just... really likes drinking wine.
And Hades is just playing the bad cop role
I mean randus, that's more or less meant as a joke š
yup
i think i remember that too but i'm not sure???
Zagreus should become god of the underworld so hades can become god of 
felt like a fever dream
it's official
God of teenage angst
emo teens all around the world look up to him
Though the god of wine sounds nice enough
You arenāt my real mooom
zagreus is god of charming gorgons.

Well not only charming, but apparently slayng as well
THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE GORGON
Wasn't there like 3 of them of i mistake with another trio?
the witches probably
No, as solid as prof as wikipedia is, there was 3 gorgons
according to mythology, zagreus is also sort of a god of the underworld
zagreus is just a rather obscure god
Of which not much info is like, consistent
Zagreus might also just be Dionysus
we have like 3 references to zagreus, one of which refers to him as potentially a prince of the underworld, and one of which uses his name as an epithet for orphic dionysus (as opposed to Mass Appeal dionysus)
also??? added voice lines for achilles you didnt warn me my heart was gonna break
;_;
logan hitting it out of the freaking park yet again and also??? just,
Dudeās a beast
let the man be happy please hasn't he suffered enough
hades: you know how after you die, there's a good place and a bad place
hades: well you're in the good place
achilles, 2 months later, still having not found patroclus: oh, this is the Bad Place
HHHHHGHJGHJGHJGJH
achilles: and this is where id live with my soulmate.........
achilles: IF I HAD HIM HERE
As if Hades will tolerate some sort of happines in his house, that divorse hit him real hard >_>
hades voice there will be NO smiling in my HOUSE!!!!!
is that a JOKE, boy???? is that a JOKE book????? throw it away
Imagine Batman Spartan movie (like Batman Ninja) with Joker dying and going to Tartarus
Hades will go psycho in one month
this is a safe space https://i.imgur.com/zQgXdYF.jpg
Safe as -5 hp on attack, yes
chaos: im ultrapowerful
chaos: but talkin to your family just messes me up, dude
zag: yeah i understand
Mood
also did they give zag more "playful" lines in combat or did i miss them until now
now sometimes he goes "let's go lads"
and more laughter in general
it's a change from the whole "blood and darkness, i will kill you wretches again and again until you die"
he only says blood and darkness if he gets hurt a lot
ye but you get the idea
sdfhsfj i got a funny combination of lines there
meg: (dies) No!
zag: Yes!
Art
ooOOOoo i got the new achilles angst dialogue
i canāt wait to get home and spam runs
yeah
do u want me to post here
i had to stop early last night because i
PLS NO
i know this is spoiler channel
but pls
sparrow you've already seen it
alright alright,,,
oh that one
yes sparrow that one
no it's not the one where he gets yelled at by hades
i think thereās another one i havenāt seen yet
yeah i havenāt seen him get yelled at yet
it's the one where zag asks him more about patroclus
sparrow you've seen the patroclus one
i have
i know you have i was there gkjdghfd
thatās the one you and kam had to talk me out of spoiling myself on
yeah but we still both read it gkjdfg
yeah......
anyways
i took pics or every single line
post away
i knew youd like it
lemme just put that all together
logan likes to tear my heart out apparently
what can i say, lad? i loved him with all my heart yeah i'd like to report an emergency, my heart is breaking
yEAH
he just. says that! with his face! and somehow i am expected to be Fine
and not a sobbing wreck
HHHHHHH
mythology: patroclus and achilles met up in the underworld and everything was Fine
sgg: hmmmm. hm. not sad enough.
iām going to fistfight hades!
if i canāt date achilles can i at least make him happy. please.
here it is so you can cry again whenever https://i.imgur.com/FJmPFPn.jpg
god. hey who wants to hear my sad idea
me
jesus kam that was Immediate
JDJVNVNVNV
anyway - that fourth dialogue there, where achilles says itās hard to find your way in the underworld
what if when achilles isnāt present in the house itās because heās out looking for patroclus
WHY ARE YOU LIKE THIS
either that or he spent a lot of time looking for him before getting roped into whatever his deal with hades is
ITS WHO I AM
look i might not be called the pain imp any more but i didnāt stop being it
HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
except for when cerby isnt there also. bc that means hes taking cerby on a walk
good
oh my god i got an idea
hey, three heads, three sniffs
unique event when you complete achilles' route where you can now encounter patroclus and reunite him with achilles
Achilies leaves the house because he just can't deal with Hades nonsense any more and if he spends five more minuites tormenting poor Zag he's going to pull a godslayer on the guy so he goes away for a bit to cool off
heās more a guard dog than a hunting dog but still
three sniffs
ok discord is blitzing my phone battery iāll be around later
zag x skelly lives to see another day https://i.imgur.com/cBCqcLa.png
You know how you see the light when you die on Earth? When Skelly dies in the underworld, he sees Earth.
I'm not here to ship shame, buuuuut
you are here to ship shame
(no jk)
Skelly does not need Zagreus. He's got a full harem of bloodless boyos waiting for him.
you know, i can hear "a HAREM of boyos!!" in skellys voice
would that i were not able
I couldnt stop thinking on the word Boyos this morning while i worked
hateful word
don't mess with me, i got the power of god and anime by my side https://i.imgur.com/QlG1Yat.jpg
Chaos is so fabulous
So fabulous
Best gentlebeing
Poseidon is like those guy you can trust everything lol
or that guy you can skip classes
Possiden is the cool uncle that only seems slightly off
yeah xD
so Chaos would be like a supreme entity among the gods we have, right?
or is he below hades for example?
Chaos created everything
https://gyazo.com/f12dcf1ae5ca5830bd350ecb8fef2bca
I love that you can get plot points from picking up boons, it'd be cool to see more of this!
firs time I die to meg in weeks
maybe getting 3 chaos boons before her was not the best idea xD
Hades after that pic probably went "Forgive ME? That's rich, it was his fault in the first place!"
Yeah pretty much
hes like
His beard may be luxurious but he's still as much of a kid as you are, now go frolic with your great uncles and don't talk to me again
Big ooft
oof
Zeus' beard is nothing compared to Hades' moustache.
I think hades can't grow a beard so he's overcompensating
The massive incident that tore hades and his family apart was originaly Hades had best beard but Zeus and Possiden conspired to make him unable to grow any facial hair at all. That moustache of his he grew however from the power of sheer spite.
twist plot
what. it works on bosses?
changed it to gameplay xD
fair
when someone gives me literally anything https://i.imgur.com/BsJeEsv.jpg
again, this is a safe space https://i.imgur.com/g2G9xe3.jpg
god i love them
chaos are cool
chaos' codex entry so far https://i.imgur.com/6aU4NNI.png
[raises hand] i have the full text on their wiki page
it was fun because i tried to copy-paste it out without actually, uh. looking at it.
nice
rest of codex "But I know Chaos lives and that they plan to destory what they created because chaos is always evil!"
ALWAYS
we're chaos' therapist
also um
thingo
i recently realized that the gods could be trying to get zag to be a pawn
bc there is a war going on right now on the surface
there is a war going on and the gods never mention it
which is interesting
maybe
is the mastermind behind all this
is it just me or is artemis suuuuuper OP after this patch? her dash boon now affects all dmg and it stacks with her other boon Pressure Point.... i just did a stygian blade + athena special run, and well, that combo is pretty invincible, but after getting artemis boons i was blinking around dealing 500 dmg with my special really early on.... it also works really well with point-blank bow special :\
she's different
she synergizes with almost everyone, which other gods dont seem to (except chaos, but chaos is even more fun)
like, her dash boon seems to also affect ares curses which leads to hillariously high dmg
that's probably intended
Dusa actually is the pure evil Medusa who's been playing all the gods for fools. The guise of a timid maid is a ruse for deniability! WAKE UP SHEEPLE
oh, hades is a family drama in disguise for sure
...Does that make Chaos Zag's fake grandpa?
Like I love Chaos
Well technically Chaos is his great great grandfather
Yeah but i mean i don't think there is a term for grandthey
Family issues is basically the subtitle to greek myth
Well grandfather and grandmother
Grandparent is fine
chaos is zag's grandgentlebeing
Grandleberry
Chaos kind of references being both a mother and father at one point
Grandparent could work
Origin point
"progenitor"
omg @lunar kiln can i get your profile pic it's beautiful
no no I'll only use it in conversations
what was your previous icon? I forget
athena with that smile
jen zee's art is a wonderful blessing and if she ever reads this i hope she knows i'm so, so sorry
yours, is art too. not art that our brains can appreciate
I'm sure all Supergian team appreciates and inspired by all the support they get. They gathered one of the greatest fanbases around their games, I think
oh my god
so this isn't, like, update spoiler but
i just completed the pom codex entry??
achilles. achilles pls.
shkhf
HFJFJGJ
i think he says something like that in another entry
i'm not sure though
hey what do you think of the fact achilles is aware of chaos' existence and current status
emphasis on current status bc everyone else thinks they're "dead and gone" and the only people who know about them just chilling in the void are him, zag and nyx
he had to know so he could write the codex
hfkgkgk he walks past hades thinking i know sonething you dont know :3 and then laughs at himself fpr being childish
STOP
wait does Achilles state that he knows where Chaos is right now, or does he just know of their general existence and background
I think Chaos is basically everywhere at once
Yeah, they know what Zagrius tries and they just
Want to make it more entertaining for everyone
Including them, which means they are just sitting on the sidelines, watching
the simple fact that the chaos codex entry exists and what the entry says means that achilles does know what they're up to to some extent
After seeing Hades admonish Achilles for training Zag, I get the feeling that Hades is going to make Achilles a boss fight.
I bet another boss fight will be at least two Fury sisters together
guys if you haven't already please dash behind the counter in the lounge now that the chonky boy is there
excuse me
I will not kill you.
I can however, bop you on the head with an imaginary plushie.
I do have foam swords if you insist upon it.
That works, just make sure it's pretty hard
I really like the changes for the hydra fight
CHAOS IS CANCELLED https://i.imgur.com/Yuxq7bb.jpg
yes, Chaos, you're toooootally not like them 
to be fair, you kinda have to go out of your way to get to Chaos
yeah exactly
but in order to advance in the rooms you have to get the blessings of the Gods
the cosmic egg?
what does it do ?
it removes all blood gate hp costs and increases rare or better boon chances from chaos by 20% at the start i think
yeah
increases to 40% at max rank
I feel like this is a decent content update.
To market it as a "major" content update is a bit of a stretch.
But that's just me.
something interesting: i thought the game's chaos shares some similarity to a fairly obscure primordial deity in greek mythos called Phanes who is also gender nonbinary
association with egg included
ā...depicted as a deity emerging from a cosmic egg.ā (from wikipedia)
Chaos actually just gifts you Phanes.
cosmic š„
the real cosmic egg is the world record egg on instagram 
Got it! Defeated that tartarus damned hydra
nice!!
congrats š
it just took Athena's super shield and dash
thanks
attempt 41 or.. 42
that legendary shield tho, it keept me healthy, wich in turn kept me calm a
I defeated her (or him or them or it) on the second run after patch note came out. It's just like wow that was easy
fun fact! most sources refer to the hydra as an it, but some refer to the hydra as a she
oh mood??
Yea I did three runs in a row yesterday with 3 different weapons (spear, then shield, then sword) and beat the Hydra in all of them consecutively
It is wayyyy easier
I tried going for all 4, but the bow run was too hard as I rarely got any boons I wanted
bow is easy considering it has the best daedalus upgrades
the onyl bad ones being fast charge (unless you get ares or zeus) And barrage upgrade.
Sniper shot kinda, but it's just less potent than the other damage builds
damage upgrades*
I think the strongest is charge shot
triple shot is pretty strong too.
but charge shot allows you to get really high crit damage
chaos is big spooky
( puts aj and tariq and ragyo and white diamond and some babies and a zombie in a big pot ) (stirs) A CHAOS IS BORN
does chaos have jewelry?
earrings right?
what are they made of, do you know?
UHHHHH IDK
it's a shame they aren't made of Emeralds
ah sry idk the reference
OHHHH
please send help
obama chuckled. *you mean, the chaos boon?*
wait, does Chaos look like Michelle Obama?
I
kam....... kam, you know i have photoshop,,
do it
DO IT
lucky for you i took a screencap of chaos talking for photoshop purposes
YES
chaos for president
oh PLEASE
hhhhhhhhhhhhhhbnliugvbukygbkjkd
I hate how much I love that
Who do we have to @ to make this a voiceline
JFMGMGNG
Does anyone know if you can power-up a chaos buff?
Dont think so played a bit by now and no chaos boons appeared in any of the poms
i don't believe so, I've never had the option at least
So... is there any bonus to toiling?
Spent like... 80% of my key savings for Pride and it looks like theres no belated bonus
@eternal trail you can, but only through chaos. She can offer the same effect again, which upgrades the existing effect. Doesn't stack multiplicatively, it just levels up the boon you already have
*they
And no, @echo wigeon it's just for those who want more challenge, there is no reward to it.
Eh... Maybe later it'll give cosemetics or little achievement stars or something... for now, touch sad thats what my keys bought me.
I just realised... massive spoiler.... Dusa is medusa
lol I know its not a spoiler, but wtf the penny just dropped
"I am God. Call 911" -chaos
š
cerberus is a good boy and deserves all the treats
Yes yes yes he does
aphrodite, if you so much as look at achilles wrong i'm gonna start another war
let him rest
are you though. are you
I'm feeling jealousy, ven 
achilles is very much in love with patroclus and i am 100% ok with that, what i'm NOT ok with is aphrodite rubbing the trojan war in achilles' face when she of all people would know that achilles' whole fate and downfall was tied in with it
: (
still, i really love these like...go out, hear from a god, come back, talk to a person in the house of hades about that conversation, loops
Aphrodite doing Aphrodite things
there's four or five convos you can have with nyx about chaos that i've been really enjoying
i hope that dynamic continues to expand~
god. i love them. i have a reason to go in the blood gates now
i've been spamming runs just so i can give them all my stockpiled ambrosia and hear what tea they have about the other gods
Apparently according to the wiki and tv tropes, people tried to datamine zag's codex entry. If you go beyond what is in game you get:
Listen, Mortal. You are not supposed to be reading this. You are most bold, or most unwise, to have been digging through these arcane texts, or to have gleaned the knowledge from someone who has. Sometimes, herein, you may find traces of the weavings of the Fates. That is true. At other times, however, your attempts to glean the future shall be thwarted. Best not to spoil the surprises that the Fates may have in store for you, if you ask me. For the Fates work in mysterious ways, and defy prediction; remember that.'
I love it when game devs do design stuff like that to avoid spoilers or thrawt pirates creativly rather then rely on non creative means
When you continue to give ambrosia to poseidon zag goes like "oh heres a present for the best uncle ever" or "i got ambrosia but itll never compare to your sheer awesomeness"
Poseidon is like... the cool uncle.
Zeus is the regal uncle.
Chaos is the philosophy teacher.
Meg is the tsundere love intrest that we won't really get a proper story line till the full game comes out and you beat her with max toil...
zeus is the rich uncle who got everything from mom and dad in the will, but is convinced that he, like, earned that money and now he acts like he's the best because of it
You doubt his power? His grace? His hobby of turning into animals to lay with random chicks and other animals?
Also, he at least speaks the most properlly from what I've seen.
yeeeaaah but he only has those powers because rhea got tired of cronus eatin her kids and spared zeus
he lucked out!!! and he's been rubbing it in everyone's faces for millennia
but he does have the most regal bearing for sure lol. he just didn't really earn it
How didn't he earn it? It's not like he hired other people to fight the Titans for him while sitting back drinking Mochitos
He didn't fight them alone either though
Never said he did, still a hard earned victory
And his track record since then hasn't exactly been stellar in terms of like...fairness or ruling with a gentle hand
What happened to the Hekatonkares or whatever they were called anyways
Like zeus did get a lot of things handed to him by fate
I feel like he tossed them back in tartarus once they helped him win
That is the story I remember too
I found it weird that one of Poseidon's kids was a cyclops
One of Loki's kids was an eight-legged horse...
Like how does that just happen. Not like any of the other gods have cyclops sons.
Like the cyclops were technically still creatures of the titan generation
I definitely expect something about titans breaking free or the like
i mean the cyclops are trying to kill zag, so
I was thinking the hundred handed giants
thanks sparrow that is not what i would have guessed but it makes sense
the hecatoncheires were three giants with a hundred hands and fifty heads who were sons of gaia and uranus (the earth and the sky)
depending on whether youāre looking at hesiodās theogony or virgilās aeneid, they either fought against the titans or for them
h-hecatoncheires hundred-hands
a hekaton is a group of 100 and cheires is related to handedness...
like uhhh
chiral proteins
hundred-hands hundred-hands? are they the moon-moon of greek mythology? 
time for a little chaos
i really love chaos and their whole everything
chaos: oh your dad is bad???
chaos: i am your mother and your father now
"You're my mother? Nice, don't have to continue on that quest, then."
lmao 
lmao i get that one chaos boon that hides chamber rewards
when that effect is active it changes the reward previews before you enter a chamber to sisyphus' icon
i enter a chamber sisyphus is actually waiting for me
now that's a plot twist
fun fact that room reward icon is actually just for "mystery" rooms, it's also used for the room after meg and the first asphodel room
yah
I thought it's like a
'reward' zone
i kinda wish those two rooms had a different icon bc the mystery room one definitely looks like it should be sisyphus'
also u meant last asphodel room
shouldn't it be ? icon instead of ! then? xD
Maybe he'll get a new icon at some point
no i meant first
his rock or something
you Fool, bouldy is already the icon
THATS WHATS INSIDE BOULDY
ah
(and the three gems are red/yellow/purple for the health/gold/darkness rewards)
you open him up and its just
That's why he has so much stuff
bouldy has been a geode all along
He just finds it inside bouldy
geody
though I wonder how so much edible food is stuffed inside there
crack open the Bouldy with the boy

fsdh
only by proxy
lmao imagine bouldy blocks your path to the surface at one point and if your dps isnt high enough you cant proceed
idk he never talks to me, he's a little cold
I am really looking forward to his artwork
How's he gonna looook
hades would just give him a new one
And Sisyphus would be like
"It's just not the same"
https://i.imgur.com/99w3eYx.jpg is it even possible now to get this final heart?
They removed a bunch of locks with the last big update. It's most likely they have not been created / semi-finalized / finalized yet
my assigned classmates in group projects https://i.imgur.com/1I4HT0w.jpg
Oh no shes hoooot insert squidward meme here
the voice acting is top notch as well on this line
Yo when i saw chaos' design i was like 
does artemis know i'd die for her. does she.
Start praying... find a lot and start building a temple.
It's time we bring back some of the true gods
the gods won't catch you when you fall thou
That's not their job. That is your job
r/woosh? 
I'm hoping that the toils of man and the boon of the human spirit is something we find in later updates
youll be pleading whille youre bleeding, huh
[strums guitar]
But yeah, woosh bruh. Woosh
zag: im so betrayed orpheus play the pantheon
hello i have a problem
(orpheus normal voice) des-paaa-cito
im now thinking of the song wannabe by spice girls
someone ask michael to say despacoto in the ama
peter canavese!
we should ask him to either say "you mean the chaos boons?" or the entire dialogue exchange
he's also zeus, as well as being manley and gilman in pyre
i should really buy transistor and play it
MFJFNGN MANLEY CHUCKLED. YOU MEAN THE CHAOS BOONS?
just like
what if you had the reporter type be voiced by Darren
so it's zag and chaos talking to each other
Peter may end up one of my voice actor waifus
brb writing up script
There will be a guest god from the land of egypt...
It'll be the frog god Kek
yeah ares my kin is VOLFRED'S thing u big stealer
what about my ken
youre not my cant, zag, youre my can,
itās a verb, heās asking zag āwhatās up, you mikin?ā
jfjvnbngjh u made me look up "mikin definition"
urbandictiomary says Someone who is so passionate about life. Not only do they enjoy their life to the fullest, but makes sure others are too. Always optimistic, loving, caring, and full of so much enthusiasmĀ
In 2019 we are ALL mikin
two thousand mi-keen
guys am i the only one who noticed the dialogue gem when you give ambrosia to Achilles? i don't have the screenshot but he basically tells you that he's in love with someone else and that you shouldn't get your hopes up... i actually hope he meant Patroclus
yessss!!!!! keep on playing, thers more in that stiryline :3333
i had ambrosia for him but i gave it all to Chaos and Ares
the way achilles brings up patroclus rly makes it look like he'll be relevant in later updates i'm hyped
plays the tiniest violin for the possibility of dating achilles š
yes! that makes me so hyped up also
like i KNOW patroclus is a thing. but i got my hopes up 
....oh dear that was the wrong emoji
oh well i'm leaving it
qgfjhqsdgf
i want to wish that the devs read the book Song of Achilles
which is really good btw if you're into cool stories with gay dudes
we're gonna reunite patroclus with achilles at the end of his route and eurydice with orpheus at the end of the former's route as well
lets make everybody happy and then take sisyphus with us
oh man that would be so cool
the amount of mythological accuracy in this game is stunning...
why dont you ask some devs if they have :3
chaos baby,,, https://i.imgur.com/2mhyy4c.jpg
theyve got gossip and they'll make it hurt
well i mean its more in the realm of fantasy than it has grounds in original myths so it would be far fetched
i'm glad they took inspiration from Orphic theogonies
Chaos has such good dialogue
I like how Chaos holds earth as if it was a marble
So... what do you think is going on upstairs? There have been enough hints that something is happening.
maybe the new Titanomachy?
Well, that'd be hard but I think the Underworld would be much more in turmoil
AFAIK that's where the titans are
it would be a shame to have 12 perfectly cool characters and not use them
and they're portrayed as the villains
yea, two of them
nah its three
Okay, yeah
The eldest, with Chaos and Nyx, then came Cronus
And then was Zeus, right
?
first 12, children of ouranus and gaia
then their children like atlas
and then hesperides and other minor titans
no those are primordials
Ah
chaos, ananke, chronos, nyx and in some cases eros are primordials
then come ouranus and gaia, erebus and tartarus
and then the titans
now the order of the first two gets jumbled up a lot, especially since Chronos and Kronos became the same person in 4th century bc
I wonder if we are going to see Ananke and Chronos...
We already get to see Nyx and Chaos
oh man can you imagine?
that would be so cool
they could add Isle of the blessed also as a cameo or something because that's one of the most divine places
Maybe, depending on what they have for the third floor/layer
whats your idea for whats going on on olympus_
Well... the Olympus gods don't seem too upset or anything.
There's always the same thing going on on Olympus. They party and someone gets laid
And then there's an epic quest
i thought the same thing!
codex is achilles obv, especially since he urges you to use it
at first i thought it could be Chiron though
I wonder why exactly the gods are so eager to get your up there
like whats their gain
because I feel like a lot of them want something out of it
is there?
huh
I haven't played that actively
At the end we will have to choose who is going to be supreme commander of our armies to siege Olympus. It's going be Meg or Dusa. Will you pick intelligent, hard working flying snek head or lazy jailor blue chick?
I wonder if you can influence the ending by something
I mean it is a SG game with a lot of characters
so I bet you can
How is Meg lazy though
She keeps going out and get in your way despite the fact that you completely outclass her
she seems like she could dunk zag if she tried
And she is always there
I doubt she is going easy on Zag
she seems very competent
Every time I'm back at home she's chilling at the bar while Dusa is working
My boi sisyphus is chilling every time I'm there. I though Meg's job was to make him work harder
meg is busy fighting you
You're keeping Meg busy. That's part of why Sisyphus really likes it when you're there. Means Meg ain't breathing down his neck.
Ugh, still getting used to no bonus damage after dashing. That was OP with the Bow...
I mean
We see Dusa chilling a lot more than Meg
Meg is only chilling after we killed her
And only because we also have not gone out after that
no be fair, I think Dusa is passively patrifying the dust
Oh my god, Artemis' updated Sprite looks so good!
yessss
It's so cute!
yes! i love artemis so much ;-;
i love artemis' illustration
sorry for language but ... when you face 10 purple crystals with aarmor what are you supposed to do?
run forest
plus i tried the game with 26 skull head it was hard but no more reward :x
run
Actually, no
You try to get them to charge their beams up
Dash to the side, then smack them upside the head
they were 10 it was too much for me and i fall in fire at the end...
its like there is too much to handle sometimes
but i m glad i unlock a "scene" with dusa
we drink together :p
i'm interested in chaos dialogue
i've only gotten to the point where s/he is talking about nyx
It takes a while to get used to
But Brimstones ultimately can be reliably dealt with
And armour doesnt make them all that much worse
Armoured louts however?
They can go back to hell
The fat guys
yeah but
you can kill the enemies to get gold while you run
if you have a broken enough build you can make serious cash
Dong
Dong
Dong
T H E Y H A D T H E I R C H A N C E
because they won't stop spawning
hey no swearing 
its so brrooooken when you got athena him and
Aphrodite
lol
i just got the hydra to the point when 6 heads show up. how is that even legal
chaos, ojou-laughing behind their hand: what a quaint little ruse!
Dang, thankfully, Zag does this whole thing because he found out about his mom. Imagine him just wanting to get away from hell because Hades is a butt and Chaos telling him that.
"Wait, she's not my mom?" 
im suprised zag hasent told the olympians
might ultimately work against him if he did...i wouldn't blame him for not trusting them
Never reveal your cards to Olympians. That's probably a lesson his father taught him, and one of the few lessons he took to heart.
The more somebody else knows about you, the more easily they can find a weakness and use it.
also nyx was the one who petitioned on zag's behalf in the first place
the gods seem to respect her
Thinking Nyx, the one even Zeus fears the wrath of, is his mother has only advantages. Were he to tell them she's not, they would find a way to use that information.
true
"Oh, your mom is that really badass lady that would kick my butt in ten seconds flat? Guess I shouldn't mess with you, or at least not too openly, then."
Okay so, speaking into the void here, and I doubt I'm the first one to think/say this, but I think Hades is really on Zagreus's side this whole time because: 1, Skelly talks about his mystery employer, who can't be named. 2, Hades tried to escape the Underworld at least once, he's not happy there either, so he should be empathizing with Zag. 3, he mentioned to Megaera that everyone (including wretches) are "underperforming" lately, which seems awfully convenient, because how does the Lord of the Underworld lose control at all? 4, could've smashed Zagreus's extremely handy Darkness mirror, but ya didn't, Hades...
I know this is probably reaching, and Hades is a bad parent overall, but maybe he's secretly hoping Zagreus succeeds to Olympus like he couldn't do before?
An interesting theory
I've had similar thoughts before, there could be something there... Really hard to say this early on though
But we love to speculate in here
Yea I've thought about that before, I think it's definitely possible he's secretly rooting for his son but just doesn't wanna get his hopes up. However I in no way sympathize or condone how awful he is at conveying it and is a horrible parent
absolutely, i was just thinking that Hades is still a dad, he's got to have some love in there, right?
yeah he's terribly unsupportive, at least zagreus has nyx but hades is a Bad dad
no excuse for those actions...
he wants something out of it, im starting to think
i feel like he doesnt enjoy seeing zag die at the least
and when zag gets it, he may want to take credit lol
and i hope zag puts him in his place with "no, no, you did not help me get this, nyx and achilles and dusa and sisyphus and chaos helped"
the laughter every time i drag myself back out of the blood pool suggests otherwise
Yeah Hades needs a serious wakeup call, thats your kid, I don't care how salty you are, Zag is just doing his best...
his line abt "this will make mortals worship u more" had me š¤
I think if we understood more of Hades's relationship with Persephone we'd get to why he treats Zag the way he does. Zag is a reminder of Persephone, so if he hates her or still loves her may impact how he treats Zag
i want zag to figure out how to cut ties or at least set a boundary and have hades respect it (posdibly the boundary is IM ON OLYMPUS NOW HAH HAH)
I really wants those Hades hearts to unlock, how the heck are those two gonna get their relationship fixed?
i dont think they will.
idk if it will ever be a fix
yeah....hades messed up too much
maybe the last heart will be an apology 
but that may be too much to hope for
If Hades ever apologizes, I would love it but I would also 100% cry
not sure you can come back from the kind of stuff hades is implied to have done
i'd be incredibly suspicious of an apology from him
depending on the situation he could just be trying to get zag under his thumb again
oh im not saying zag should forgive him lmaooooo
but i want him to say sorry anyway
That's another motivator, Hades could be secretly hoping for Zag to escape so he can use him as leverage...
lol yeah i'm not saying that
i'm saying even his apologies would probably not be from a genuine place
Even if they had an eternity to work things out, as Gods do, it's tough to forgive
sometimes you look at the house and u share a laugh over an onion amd youre like, its not all bad, theres goodwill between them
and then a rememberence kicks ya in the heart
amd thats very good design uou
Secret of the Hades game - You only ever unlock the first heart for 
nooooo
JFNFJG LIKE THE KRISTOPH BLACK PSYCHELOCKS IN APOLLO JUSYICE
THEYRE THERE BUT U CANT UNDO EM
I do hope they make a more dynamic way to unlock hearts though... Right now gifting Ambrosia feels... cheap? Too easy? Like you're not earning the relationship?
I get that, I do enjoy the lounge scenes though, the conversations really make it more 3-D, I hope ssg runs with that
"Hows that feel!"
i really like that they're expanding on the convos where you go out, talk to a god or something, and then come back and communicate what you were told
learning about nyx's and chaos's relationship was very interesting. chaos is very profound, they terrify me.
assuming ssg adds more gods, artemis's and apollo's relationship should be pretty entertaining too, since they're twins i think?
Since this is a rogue-like... unless they do something super genre-defying, 'beating the game' will still have you end up right back where you started. It's probably the thing I'm excited to see most, out of SGG and Hades.
Is it a 'fade to black, would you like to keep playing'? Does the hub change locations completely (too much work, gosh). Do characters acknowledge this plot advancement in game (Achilles congratulating me ; . ; )? Does 'end game' have some tonally different, more defined antagonist? How do the god's perspectives on you change when they realize that you're after reuniting with your mother? So many variables still up in the air. There's a lot to speculate on
We may get an "epic" mode where you play one of the few heroes who have descended through to hades. Perhaps a Herculian mode where you travel down to tarterous to save the soul of a loved one.
I think they've said that other playable characters are not planned, but I could be misremembering conversations
Thing I've been speculating, is that the ending is sad (no duh). Your mother is chained, frozen, or in a state of 'well. Congrats, I guess'. You learn that the only way to free her is some complicated excuse to make Prince Z sacrifice himself before her, resetting him back down at the bottom, only to repeat the process another one-gazillion more times. Now, whenever you defeat runs, you get a nice little "...I'm back, mother."
Could even have that amount be like... twenty or so runs. Or a set value of parameters before you unlock true ending. Maybe the god whose boon you have the most of says something nice/rare as well, each time you finish.
Or the endings just a 'one and done, roll credits' kind of thing! Who knows! But it's fun to imagine.
an ending that forces zag to die is very possible imo, it would allow continuation...
Yup yup. Gotta imagine he returns to the beginning... but his motivation would _have\ to somewhat change, right? At least the context behind it!
It also has a nice parallel to two other characters they've chosen to include.
Sisyphus, his Boulder infinitely his curse. Reaching the top just to have it roll back down.
without spoilers for other games, ssg always has emotional endings
sisyphus!
what a great metaphor my god
Orpheus, his muse rekindled in the form of Zag. A futile grind to one day see a close loved one again. Now he sings for Zag, urging him to never give up hope. Don't Look Back taking on new context.
Hell, even Achilles... who now might be motivated to search out his own missing love, motivated by Zag's own indomitable will.
And Hades :)
Still the same. Still saying 'it will never work, why don't you stop already'.
i wonder if the whole "we must imagine sisyphus happy" would play into it, i cant imagine zag is happy, but finding contentment somehow may be relevant
even meg is stuck in a cycle, right?
I hope she finds her own peace with this. I hope she sees the good it does for her, to better her own self. To improve in her abilities. To practice, and to spar with a friend.
The only thing this idea doesn't include, is the massive amount of set up SGG has been taking with Titans.
All of the weapons having been involved in their destruction. Primordial Chaos making an appearance. Etc, etc.
I'd say the good it's doing her is...debatable
you can spar with people without killing them
but Hades' rules are pitting Meg and Zag unstoppably against each other in bad faith
neither of them wants to be fighting to the death
Exactly! I hope at the end she goes like, wait!!! That was good... you may pass.
meg's sisters being busy in the above-world is foreboding too
and I think she takes her duties pretty seriously regardless
Hello. I had 0 idea there was a discord for this
Oh, welcome!
surprise! there is
I still hope she finds her peace, however it may be! I don't want turmoil without hope, for any character. That wouldn't be the SGG way!
I am surprised.
Yeah! I don't know how it's gonna work out, but as it is I don't think she or Zag can really get out of their conflict
The basic dynamics of the House would have to change
You should only be scared of one of the sisters, the fury of constant anger, the other is the fury of avenging murder, so if you didn't murder anyone (Assumed dead people in hades dont count) then you're safe from that one
The fury of being... really nice to their friends, and letting them pass because you're besties?
#LetMegRest
Meg is the fury of jealousy, I don't know how to un-jealousify a woman..
Direct her jealousy into something positive!
"I wish I was as dedicated as you, friend!"
To which Zag responds
"No u."
Ah hit em with the "no u" always works!
wow Lizzy that's kind of a reductive statement ^^;
I don't know what that means...
It's not like some inherent trait of womanhood to be jealous
I didn't say that... Did I?
"I don't know how to unjealousify a woman" sure reads like that
Was meant like if you had a jealous woman i wouldnt know how to handle that...
I didn't mean to come off as "All woman are like this"
It says more about me than anything..
I'm not sure I get the "jealousy" role interpretation for Megaera? I thought she was the Fury of oath breakers, infidels, and thieves?
Ah sorry, I misread then !
We good ā¤
@neat crow "Megaera is the cause of jealousy and envy, and punishes people who commit crimes, especially marital infidelity."
Spoiler: Zag dies always
So i was wrong in assuming shes the jealous one, shes the cause for it
I am vee jealous of
's patience with Zag
Didnt Meg say something to dusa at some point about zag making dusa jealous/angry?
I can't remember what but i seem to remember something vaguely
fits with her being a jealousy-inducer
Maybe? I don't recall either
Obviously, Meg needs to have a musical number where she constantly denies that she's jealous, while 4-5 shades sing in chorus behind her.
Wait... is this the same Meg from the disney one... just a different take?
The disney one is a different take on the myth one i assume
as is this
though this is more fury-y
@echo wigeon yes. Indeed. š
well, ok that was a joke
they're 2 different myth characters
Megaera is NOT Megara
So...
so no
I see
I was making a joke on their names being 1 letter apart
Dang, it's been so long since I watched Disney's Hercules
In Greek mythology, Megara was the oldest daughter of Creon, king of Thebes.
Megara was offered by her father to Hercules because he defended Thebes.
She had two children, a boy and a girl, but was killed with both of them by Hercules in his madness caused by Hera.
In some sources, it is said that Megara was also killed by Hercules, while for others it is said that she was given to Iolaus.
In some traditions, Hercules felt so guilty for the death of Megara that this was the motive he had for performing the twelve labors, as his repentance.
"The Furies were the three goddesses of vengeance: Tisiphone (avenger of murder), Megaera (the jealous) and Alecto (constant anger). They were also called the Daughters of the Night, but were actually the daughters of Uranus and Gaea. Another name for them is the Erinyes."
So yeah TheMechanic is right š
does anyone know why meg only has one wing? i love the design choice, but i was wondering why?
I've no idea, honestly
me neither, and zag hasn't mentioned it, so at least we know it wasn't a recent loss, i suppose?
Shes part Cetra
So like... you take her out for a drink finally... and shes all sweet...
Can we take her with us in the end game?!
Hades' keepsake is a reusable tissue to wipe away your tears
hades' keepsake is the world's smallest violin lute
Hades' keepsake replaces all rewards by 
hades keepsake: lump of coal
Hades keepsake is a chunk of his moustache
hades keepsake is a picture of himself
That should have been Zeus one, if you are to believe what Hades has to say of his brother.
nfjgkgjf i was thinkin like. you know the scene in robots where the villain hands her son a pic of herself that says WORLDS BEST MOM on it
anyone knows if chaos has a legendary boon?
I don't think they could due to how their boons work
so far I have gotten 4 of them in one run
No tiers though
really?
yeah
Every blood gate has chaos in @visual laurel, and with bone hourglass light of ixion gives has 1+x encounters
So you can get like 4 back to back hahaha
I got 560 darkness on one run thx to that
hydra destroyed me though
had no damage hahaha
I'm pretty sure no legendaries though due to Chaos not having tiers, each boon is randomly generated in a downside and an upside
maybe later on they give one
it would be interesting if you press on chaos boons
and get for example another ending
Chaos does have tiers though? epic, rare, etc
like in the binding of issac
what are the tiers, the boons that come one after the other?
It's basically, you can't get a tier 2 boon without a tier 1 boon at least
And legendaries are tier 3
right, ok
exactly
It could work if the legendary chaos has a prerequisite of having 2 chaos boons or something though, that'd be fun
"increase all damage dealt by +150% but take +100% damage for the rest of the run"
well that would be worse than some of his normal boons
their
I had today don“t use special and then gain 75% attack damage
Yeah but I think having the flexibility of it being on attack, special, cast and dash is worth a decent amount
Attack only applies to your main attack I think
was thinking in more of a story driving boon maybe, something that you could only unlock by getting the chaos legendary
"theyre like oh were family we stick together but do they EVER call??"
further proof hades is just one big family drama
"i never even get a birthday card, which isnt that surprising considering i existed before birthdays, but you know its the thought that counts"
chaos is both mother and father to the night
Chaos really be just like
"They care so much about each other but everyone forgot me, they probably don't even have any pictures left"
and he basically got sealed up when they sealed the titans
cough they cough
nah, they use they/them in text
Because its literally a he and a she and neither at the same time
Because it is the primodial chaos
Yes that's why you use they
everyone uses it ingame
because they are both father and mother
the beginnen and the end
chaos
Aye, but they is 4 clicks, he is 2 clicks, and honestly we shouldnt refer to him as they... we should refer to them as master
Master chaos... as little prince zag would put it
nope we refer to them as them because thatās their pronouns!
a good practice for story and life!
which is silly, refer to them with titles, not pronouns
Thus that whole idea of calling a doctor... doctor
nope, pronouns are fine, you just need to use them!
you donāt exclusively refer to someone who is a doctor as ādoctorā whenever you might say he or she or they
<-< I work with doctors and refer to them as "the doctor" man or woman
Anywhom, Master is still the best. Hes something between a super cool philospher and a gambler...
Or you just say "MEEEEEEDIC"
theyāre
please stop saying he, though.
Opressing others is rude bruh
False
Demanding what language others use, is literally opressing them
'I chose what you may and may not do'
That is without a doubt the most stupid thing Ive heard in a month
when someone tells you their name, you don't decide "no, ill call you a different one", right?
You do
Nick names go on frequently
You dont always choose your nick name and some choose to forgoe your name for another calling
Nicknames are nicknames when the other person is consenting to it, otherwise its namecalling and bullying
across the board, this server is a place where we respect others' pronouns, both characters' and the fellow members of this discord.
That is extremly sensitive, especially when the names you amy be called are 'friend' and 'buddy'
those aren't gendered.
They are still names you may be called, despite not calling for them and them not being bullying
that's not the point here
It's not that much harder to just respect people's pronouns, it's one to two letters longer
And also wrong, if someone asked me not to call them buddy i wouldnt as its without their consent
there are people on this server who use they/them and you're coming off pretty disrespectful right now
No, the point was calling someone something inoffensive and then having people trying to oppress and police others in a very authoritarian manner
I havent said anything poor about those people
Opress would be deleting your comments and banning you
theyre just asking you to be nice and respectful though
Theyre asking you
As it has been said, master is man woman nothing and everything
Technically even banning him wouldnt be "oppressing" him
So use they
It would
thats the good old respect you call for
Probably how great Dusa is
That too

Chaos emote when
wight has one
Yknow its funny that chaos came to mean something entirely different from the original chaos
Because the black nothingness that everything originates from was anything but disorderly
I love what Nyx has to say about Chaos
https://i.imgur.com/6JyGmep.png
I've only had one escape attempt since the release of the new update, but I am already loving Chaos as a character!
this is only the surface of the iceberg
Icebergs in ancient greece?
well i mean
@amber canyon aren't parts of hell cold thou
Hel, the nordic underworld was cold, yes
oh, well
I dont think any part of the greek underworld is cold, however
Zag vs Odin when
i guess in certain parts of hell mythos in general its cold
You could be thinking of Dante? In Dante's Inferno, the 9th circle of hell was made of ice
Cold was originally the most associated temperature with the underworld, yes
The fire thing was something that came up in abrahamic mythology
yeah, ven
I mean like
I'm surprised Meg's glare hasn't frozen the house of hades solid
Thanks for reporting a game freeze! The most common solution to this issue can be found in #hades-tech-fixes-old
proxy........
I know why that happened
I think I also know how to fix it
one moment while I plug into the Matrix
i love proxy theyre an overeager puppy sometimes
they just want to help.
this looks like a regular artemis line but her voice shakes a little at the end https://i.imgur.com/Ix3thQU.jpg
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i will get out of hell just for artemis so she won't be sad
does artemis have a crush on zag?
i didnt get that vibe lol
based on her characterization in myth, i would say....unlikely.
supremely unlikely.
Doubt it, she doesnt even know what he looks like
I feel like it's more respect
That or she wishes to find someone who is her equal to hunt with
it seems to me like she relates to him...understands wanting to get away from the family drama, at any rate
i feel like theyre the two cousins at the family gathering who are in the awkward not-kid-but-not-old stage so theyre at the kids table bonding over how pissed they are at being at the kids table
Actually, I guess it depends if this is pre- or post-Orion
orion was pre-trojan war
and achilles is here in the underworld and dead
so i'd say we're well post-orion
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