Achilles heel actually talks about how toned and muscly and healthy it was
#h1-story-discussion
late nacelle
bleak osprey
screams into my hands because i'm in the middle of a run don't taunt me with achilles stuff
fair light
@acoustic condor I think it would have been borderline irresponsible not to. While I guess it's historically been debated, I don't think there's any real ambiguity around it from my own reading of the source material.
acoustic condor
I mean I'm assuming it was meant to be Patroclus I can't remember him mentioned by name but what other tragic male lover has he ever had right
fair light
He's mentioned by name a number of times in the game.
acoustic condor
Wow there really is that much dialogue that I don't remember hearing it... jeez...
This game is so wild
lunar kiln
oh btw is this new or https://i.imgur.com/DS93XmW.jpg
is it just another of his lines
late nacelle
Have you got the thing where Hades tell's you stuff before you start a run? They basically made it a cutscene and it's beautiful bless all of u for this game
lunar kiln
with no follow-up like one of aphrodite's and artemis'
fair light
Yeah that's a new one. Technically was recorded a while back though we didn't have a follow-up conversation so we held it until we added one.
lunar kiln
yay more family drama
acoustic condor
Yesssssssss Kaf yes
bleak osprey
jghkjhdkfj i refuse to bomb this run so that i can go see if achilles has more to say
lunar kiln
lord dades do NOT foreshadow a cerberus boss fight
late nacelle
One complaint, why is cerb not behind Hades being a good boi
acoustic condor
I can't wait to see what version of Orpheus they go for once he gets developed some more
Oh listen I'm just out here feeling that mayhaps Cerberus is going to have to be the final boss of Hades, as the final guard of hell ๐
Like just lowkey
acoustic condor
Course if we ever get to Olympus as a gameplay level then who knows what might happen
late nacelle
I think cerb, then hades, then I'm hoping olympus stuff but that's like luck of the draw if its gonna happen
acoustic condor
You know I'm not sure if we're ever going to fight Hades? Like obviously he's a bit emotionally abusive and distant and such but I think his aggression largely comes from a desire to protect Zag from a family he thinks is p nasty and manipulative and dramatic, and he doesn't want to lose his only family after Persephone left either I have to imagine
atomic forge
@spare mica Chaos is up on the wiki too if you want their pic
full basin
Failing the take no damage trial has the funniest reward
acoustic condor
He just wants his son to be happy and safe w him
atomic forge
oh nice trevor pfp
full basin
Thank you ๐
digital crag
well meaning parents can still be bad
acoustic condor
I think at the end he'll come around and give you some sort of boon for the final boss as a show of good faith
late nacelle
+1hp lets goooo
acoustic condor
I mean yeah no duh but I doubt we'll fight him I think he'll just see the error of his ways and try to make amends
late nacelle
Ironically sometimes it might be more favourable to get that heal than to get something else from the room when you don't need it
late nacelle
@atomic forge will you be wanting screen shots of chaos boons
acoustic condor
The character designs in this game really are absolutely flawless ignoring any sharingans huh
atomic forge
okay
atomic forge
thank god im not the only one who thought it reminded me of kaguya
acoustic condor
I love how they're not all white?
It's great to see some variety outside the mainstream
full basin
Hmm my only problem is Artemisโ clothes
Iโm looking at her rn and I think thatโs what is bothering me
lunar kiln
SDFJHGJG
fair light
Yeah that was important to us
full basin
I know itโs great
fair light
The thing is the gods themselves are not Greek, they were just worshipped by the Greeks -- but they were the gods of everything and the whole world.
late nacelle
Greg... it sounds like you know something we don't, are they real?!
fair light
It's a big extended family representing humankind in its totality, for better and for worse, etc.
bleak osprey
gently wheezes into my hands because oh no i got the other patroclus conversation
fair light
hope it was OK @bleak osprey
acoustic condor
Why does Supergiant have all the respect in my body? they're just sucking it out? all my respect? they just have it?
frozen jolt
theres another one??
full basin
Btw Greg what were the influences on Artemis?
lunar kiln
late nacelle
The decrease in movespeed chaos boon is going to suckk when i only have 1 dash
iron flame
@acoustic condor We hope to continue to give the respect back so you don't run out!! ๐
spare mica
@atomic forge thank you!
desert peak
What are you supposed to get after the hitless trial? I passed three and got nothing every time.
bleak osprey
imagine me, lying dead on the floor, but with one hand raised in a ๐ position
so yes it was OK
acoustic condor
@iron flame I don't think I can run out!
lunar kiln
you're supposed to get the actual reward you're supposed to get when you enter the room
e.g if the next room has a boon you only get it if you pass the trial
fair light
@desert peak If you prevail... you get what you were supposed to get. But if you get hit, you are denied.
lunar kiln
otherwise you get the onion treatment
bleak osprey
i think achilles and orpheus are conspiring. both the lounge conversation and this one have had orpheus singing in the bg making it So Much More Painful
desert peak
The dialogue triggered but no boon.
lunar kiln
nyx and chaos just want to have coffee together
acoustic condor
Now this is a godly relationship I can support
silk fern
New god design is awesome
late nacelle
Artemis's lil birds are so cute btw
atomic forge
Eeeek! No walls at Hydra! (First time making it there.)
late nacelle
Artemis's dash was balanced sooo well, the buff to that it can work on attack special cast etc makes it really flexible
delicate coral
And Hydra is a pushover
knotty swan
https://gyazo.com/286afa1e4828d9c859fb151350bf2db4 People probably know this already but I just found this dialogue from Achilles and he's confirmed gay, this is exciting
acoustic condor
hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Oh jeez
Oh no
My gay little heart
bleak osprey
yeah i got that just before i finished playing
lunar kiln
ok so there are 2 minibosses in asphodel now
stark tulip
p patroclus
lunar kiln
the boat and the giant gorgon head
acoustic condor
Finally the bury your gays trope isn't awful stinky garbage
late nacelle
The giant gorgon head is funnn
stark tulip
bury your gays and they'll live forever in the afterlife
desert peak
Achilles is gay in Plato's works so it makes a lot of sense tbh.
acoustic condor
Bury your gays and resurrect them as tree spirits
bleak osprey
ah, a taz fan i see
knotty swan
except one will be lost in the underworld D:
lunar kiln
you can get the giant gorgon head AND the boat in the same run if you hate yourself enough
knotty swan
Man I want Patroclus to show up and be like: Hey there Achilles, luv u
acoustic condor
I would eat my fingers for the McElroys but I still haven't finished The Stolen Century because I was meant to listen with my friend but they fell behind aaaaaaa
full basin
OH MAN LGBT CONFIRMATION I AM EXCITE
stark tulip
dryads technically which are so much more radical
knotty swan
Now we just need to know what patroclus looks like so fanart can come through
acoustic condor
Depending on how much of Hades we get we might
frozen jolt
the patroclus stuff was there since launch! you just needed to give achilles some ambrosia to get that dialogue
thin saddle
I've beaten Meg for the first time!
bleak osprey
that specific dialogue was in the files but not ingame @frozen jolt
the we could have been no closer
acoustic condor
Well actually no he wouldn't be in the Mourning Fields because Achilles loved him v much
bleak osprey
oh god, hang on, this means i have to re-extract the voice files so that i have them,,
i'll. leave that one a while.
acoustic condor
Achilles is meant to be in Elysium before Hades hired him into the house so was Patroclus there too?
frozen jolt
since he always talked about patroclus at his lounge scene
knotty swan
Yeah I remember them mentioning patroclus but the gender was kinda vague in phrasing so I wasnโt sure if he was gay or not
acoustic condor
Would Patroclus have made it to Elysium?
bleak osprey
it.... wasn't ambiguus though?
knotty swan
Actually right after that line he says heโs searched everywhere in the underworld for Patroclus and no dice
rustic elbow
Chaos gives you abilities like the outhers?
bleak osprey
"Patroclus, however, I... fear he's gone to me, forever. Although his shade might yet reside within this realm, we left on terms I'd not forgive if I were him."
desert peak
Chaos gives you poopoo
knotty swan
Huh, I must have missed that ๐ค
acoustic condor
Aha there we go they haven't met yet
knotty swan
My bad
desert peak
You take a minor downside for a really not impactful bonus to coin/darkness gain or something like 20% more cast damage
late nacelle
I got one that gave me +98% damage
But for 2 rooms i took 33% more
That was on an epic i think
desert peak
On cast?
late nacelle
Attack
desert peak
That's the most i've seen
bleak osprey
i got one that took 35 hp off me for 3 rooms and then gave me +69% attack damage
i'd say that's worth it
late nacelle
Some of them defo yeah
desert peak
I still think it's kind of boring though
late nacelle
Like +3 casts is one ive seen around and that seems pretty worthwhile
desert peak
I wish chaos had some really bad downsides and then some wackyness as a boon.
acoustic condor
I want to know what their legendary is
amber canyon
Alright then, beat the Hydra with eurobeat.build
desert peak
Eurobeat?
amber canyon
Sudden rush
You charge so fast its as if youre going full initial D
Hence, eurobeat
knotty swan
https://gyazo.com/68ebc26692c882ba793b6123e8c9797e Check out Artemis guys!
acoustic condor
ik I love her so much
Even if she does feel a little Celtic to me which is fine because I'm Irish and if I wasn't feeling it they'd revoke my citizenship
vast junco
rip arthemis dash crit
acoustic condor
What happened to Artemis' crit dash
thin saddle
I picked her for the cast anyway
rain geode
ouch
acoustic condor
Oh jeez
rain geode
from 100 to 15 is a huge nerf
acoustic condor
That is some heavy nerfing
vast junco
but it boosts the crit % of any attack, not just the normal attack
carmine falcon
anyone found the new chthonic god yet?
vast junco
chaos?
lunar kiln
hades in patch 007 https://i.imgur.com/93hsEPD.png
acoustic condor
Bloodgates
Wells give you something that guarantees their spawn in available rooms
I can't remember what it's called tho
rain geode
I received oinions cause I walked in lava, what do you get if you don't fail the challenge ?
vast junco
he has boons that give you disadvantage for 3 encounters, then give you a reward
bleak osprey
whatever you should have gotten for finishing the room, @rain geode
rain geode
oh
acoustic condor
*they
vast junco
there was one boon that hurts me for 2 health every time i dash. that one seems impossible, with those new skull crusher mobs
rain geode
mostly this update is about higher difficulty being manual, the thing is I don't see any reward, and don't get why I should increasy diffciulty
so what's the point of playing the new update if i don't increase difficulty?
pulsar glacier
Guys what the point of contract? (skull difficulty) i killed hydra and received just ... 5 skulls
desert peak
There isn't one
late nacelle
The point is for fun
pulsar glacier
but its not fun...
late nacelle
It's like before this update playing mirrorless or fresh run
rain geode
I increase ennemy life by 100% and ennemy damages by 100% I barely killed Meg^^'
late nacelle
It's fun for those who are comfortable with the challenge
pulsar glacier
its just like the MMORPG increasing stat of the boss
and saying : its hell difficulty
rain geode
Yeah but it give nothing more, if I wanted this I wouldn't have over-hyped myself with this update i would just have cleaned the mirror ^^'
desert peak
It's "for fun" but the system for it eats up your drops on runs and potentially handicaps you.
rain geode
In MMORPG higher difficulty = higher rewards
pulsar glacier
yep
rain geode
there is no rewards in hades
desert peak
As someone who has played through Bastion/Pyre/Transistor on max limiters i'm unhappy with this system.
rain geode
i'm disappointed :/
rigid fractal
i'm sure reward for the challenge is bound to come with future updates. all past games had rewards for the voluntary penalties
tardy cedar
that's the beauty of Early Access
all of this is subject to change per player feedback
acoustic condor
If it gives you skulls that don't currently do anything I can only imagine that in the future skulls will do something
rain geode
Yeah @pulsar glacier I was expecting at least one of those
acoustic condor
Keep in mind that they have to space their content out over 18 months
tardy cedar
I think they wanted to flesh out the existing zones before adding a new one
acoustic condor
Going by their year and a half window
Making games is hard and it's only their first upd8 so
It might not be perfect but it is still like p early days
rain geode
except we have no point playing, cause no more rewards ^^'
pulsar glacier
I finished hydra in 20 minute with 75/125 hp... all my lives up
iits easier and easier with mirror
tardy cedar
now go do it mirrorless
rain geode
I finished hydra in 20 min with 300hp all lives up ^^
rain geode
with only zeus dash lvl 2
acoustic condor
It's not necessarily about direct incentives
rain geode
based game si too easy
pulsar glacier
i finished once with the all damage decrease buff
hydra hurt me like 2 hp per hit
and the counter of zeus (190 dammage when hit)
i didnt move she killed herself : they need to nerf it
i mean some boons are too powerful
vast junco
wasn't there music in the hydra fight? now it has none
rain geode
Athena Damage reduction + aphrodite damage reduction + aphrodite attack making ennemy damage 50% lower, and you got a tank ^^
desert peak
I don't wanna see boons keep being nerfed
rain geode
had zeus counter and ares counter and you are god
acoustic condor
I mean Sylann the chance you get that combination is low
desert peak
Roguelikes are fun because of the wacky shenanigans that go into a powerful run
acoustic condor
And the point is there are meant to be busted combos
pulsar glacier
my bestie is poseidon when you push people on walls :OOO
rain geode
I got it only once ^^
acoustic condor
It's the whole point of a roguelike
desert peak
This game doesn't have any wacky combos
acoustic condor
Yeah my biggest problem with Hades currently is that there's no synergy
desert peak
You have attack boon + special boon + cast boon
acoustic condor
You can only get 1 boon/ability
desert peak
and you just clear hydra every time because the game is easy
red anvil
which is why higher difficulties
rain geode
I only use zeus dash and clear hydra every time ^^'
acoustic condor
Well Sylann that's your choice it's about experimentation not what's optimal
late nacelle
I think Hades no touch rooms should give you an added bonus too cus atm they only give you the same reward but added challenge
rain geode
I want 6 boon dash ^^
red anvil
synergy-wise, you can get well upgrades
acoustic condor
Yeah but as someone who comes from Isaac where you can get absolutely nonsense tears it is definitely a letdown to have v restricted abilities
red anvil
the issue with making boons stackable (cast especially) is that it constrains boon design space
desert peak
Then people will stop playing
rain geode
put a cast on hydra for 50% more damage and dash form right to left ^^
tardy cedar
Isaac has a lot of issues in that sense, though
pulsar glacier
ouppsi
red anvil
or you do the Isaac thin and program fifty million interactions in manually
acoustic condor
Does it?
pulsar glacier
just too said i m not good at Enter the gungeon
tardy cedar
Think about it
pulsar glacier
but i love it
tardy cedar
the game becomes trivially easy
pulsar glacier
its really hard
acoustic condor
The fun of the game, and roguelikes in general, is that sometimes it's really hard and sometimes you become god and wipe every room in seconds
pulsar glacier
When i play Enter the gungeon i m like omg i hope i will kill the boss this time
acoustic condor
Having consistent power distribution is a little snoozy
desert peak
Isaac becomes trivial 1/50 times, most times you still need to try
tardy cedar
I don't think Supergiant wants you to become a god in Hades because that breaks the experience they are trying to go for
acoustic condor
It's way cooler to sometimes ascend beyond the mortal realm w Sacred Heart Godhead and go wild
tardy cedar
Isaac cares about its story about as much as a snail cares about politics
acoustic condor
Plus the chances of traditionally considered 'broken' runs are low
rain geode
anyone know what's the level max for every trinkets?
desert peak
Roguelikes are primarily gameplay first
pulsar glacier
the only difficulty i seen was the "if you get hit==> onions)
desert peak
You need that element of replayability that comes with the crazy stuff
tardy cedar
Right, but this is a Supergiant game, so they just might be doing things differently
acoustic condor
I mean you're literally getting superpowers from gods as a god I don't think we should put an arbitrary ceiling on the gameplay
desert peak
Different /=/ better or correct
acoustic condor
As far as I see it I don't imagine it would have any negative effect on the narrative
tardy cedar
I mean like, yeah, it would be really awesome to say, get 2 Hammers on a single run
desert peak
I never feel like sharing runs in this game like I do isaac
tardy cedar
I don't think they'll ever have that happen
desert peak
because every run feels the same
All my discussion about this game when i tell people about it is "yeah its fun"
tardy cedar
the Chaos boons will definitely help on that front, though
desert peak
there's nothing standout
rain geode
hammer have only 1-2 good spell on each, you don't need both ^^
desert peak
Chaos boons are just stat increases they don't help
acoustic condor
You CAN get multiple hammers on 1 run
rain geode
we could before but it's been a long time since this happened
acoustic condor
That's the beauty in a busted run
tardy cedar
I mean like, I'd love to get Flurry Blade and World Splitter in the same run, but that probably won't happen
acoustic condor
It's a blessing from heaven
rain geode
but yes i had it with shield (+100% damages per ennemy hit, +100% ennemy hit before the shield come back)
if you get artemis super it's done
acoustic condor
I mean Flurry Blade and World Splitter are just incompatible and defeat each other's purpose, which is unintuitive design to combine
pulsar glacier
I hope they will not increase the difficulty by adding a second layer of armor
acoustic condor
But there's no reason I can't put Zeus and Ares onto 1 cast
rain geode
there is one, zeus cast is fast, ares one is slow
desert peak
I want tracking blade rifts that send electricity out
acoustic condor
I think True Shot would complicate cast combinations but it can be worked out I'm sure
tardy cedar
@acoustic condor isaac has plenty of things that can be combined that really shouldn't
desert peak
I want to throw my spear and have it bounce off the enemies like the shield and knock them all away
acoustic condor
The things you can combine in Isaac that you shouldn't produce intended results
Or they just don't work properly because one effect is subsumed
rain geode
knock away can be tricky, cause ennemy often bounce towards you and dmages you
acoustic condor
Also as far as speed differences in attacks go, it just requires working out priority
Which WOULD mean having to code mechanics for every possible combination which I admit is not like... an ENVIABLE job but... definitely worth it imo for the longevity of the game
pulsar glacier
It could be nice to have consomable
acoustic condor
Like Zeus Ares would be a smaller Blade Rift that bounces to nearby enemies if it contacts one directly on initial cast
Slightly faster, modified damage numbers, less DOT but with the additional Zeus damage
Or it could be a splitting attack
tardy cedar
I wouldn't be surprised if boon synergies come eventually
it's likely just too much work for right now
acoustic condor
They're definitely capable of doing it well I mean
Look at Transistor
It's the crux of gameplay
tardy cedar
yeah, but Transistor launched as a finished product
acoustic condor
Yeah and I'm saying that what I most want from the game is that by the time it's done this is a feature
red anvil
Also, Transistor had a pretty limited amount of combination you could do
acoustic condor
Because it would increase replayability and fun x1000
desert peak
If they confirm that it will come, great! Until then you can't dispel arguments for it with "it might happen"
red anvil
1 main + 2 sub, versus 'up to 6 mains that clash somehow'
acoustic condor
The functions all had basic modifying effects
amber canyon
Finished a enemies do 300% damage run
tardy cedar
carp, we know that they are listening to feedback, so there is hope
acoustic condor
For instance in this context the basic modifying effects of Chain Lightning there would be a bounce effect added the same as Bounce() in Transistor
It didn't matter what you combined because each function had a rule for its combination that was only broken for something more fitting in certain combinations
They could do the same thing here the only difference is that it would get even crazier which I am always All ForTM
limber eagle
wow. instead of making hydra easier. the heads now have armor! and most of the cover is gone! craziness!
amber canyon
Now, lets do a run where enemies do 370% damage
tardy cedar
@limber eagle you can reflect hydra shots now
acoustic condor
I mean I definitely appreciate if they feel w the amount of boons they're adding that it would be unreasonable/unfeasible to do the work required but
It's definitely what I'm hoping for most anyway
rigid bluff
honestly i find those pillar very annoying with bow
cause the heads always are on top of them and i never know which side they are on
which makes hitting super annoying
bleak osprey
the hydra encounter feels so much better now that the arena is bigger
most of my problems with it before came from the cramped feel
rigid bluff
yeah generally its better
swift flax
is there a known benefit to having pacts going? or is it just for difficulty?
also yes hydra feels alot better
rigid bluff
also since when can you destroy projectiles with anyweapon?
swift flax
always
carmine falcon
I believe you could not destroy the projectiles of the hydra before
acoustic condor
Not the Hydra projectiles no but every other
swift flax
oh the hydra, yer thats new
rigid bluff
even megs?
acoustic condor
I think so yeah
lunar kiln
You can destroy all of hydra's bullets now
swift flax
megs been like that forever, i've always just hit my way through the bullet hell
lunar kiln
Even the barrage of doom
swift flax
mmhmm
swift flax
there there
lunar kiln
On the other hand walls have been removed, its just pillars now
And food jars are at completely opposite sides of the room
Right next to the main head
hexed scarab
what does the pacts do besides make things harder? do they reward anything?
hexed scarab
and thats the sole purpose of the heat things is just for the pacts right
sharp ermine
you can trade with it too
languid cairn
I DONT HAVE AMBROISA FOR CHAOS 
bleak osprey
rip
languid cairn
i got one the NEXT ROOM
rigid bluff
dunno if this is new but the purple accents that some rooms have mean smth?
these ones
onyx spoke
chaos is so cool
slow star
It makes sense you can't use poms to upgrade chaos' power. as her power is immaterial
rigid bluff
question
what do you get when you beat hades challenge
im very bad at not taking dmg
frozen jolt
the reward you were supposed to get
slow star
more challenge
rigid bluff
but a like an even bigger reward o just a normal one
frozen jolt
a normal one
rigid bluff
wow hades is a meanie
slow star
for you alma
languid cairn
wait so you can only have one chaos boon and it changes to something else when you choose something?
slow star
no, you can have as many as you can get
rigid bluff
btw the new patroclus and achilles convo ๐ข
makes me hope theres gonna some kind of sidequest to find patroclus for him
languid cairn
I HATE THE HYDRA
languid cairn
wiat there is a new convo??
slow star
of orpheus
rigid bluff
and we gotta find coffee for hypnos
lunar plover
graceful iris
I did it again i've slain the Hydra, previous patch i couldnt get to the 3rd phase and now twice in a row https://imgur.com/xDLmzgs
and i realy like the chaos things they seem to work realy well for me
slow star
wait
clever plover
I love the not quite fourth wall breaking conversations with Hades after you beat the hydra for the first time and when you unlock the pact
onyx spoke
I got one that damaged you each time you used special (was using the bow so that's fine) and at the end you got 3 casts
cue me getting Zeus cast and the boon that increases its bounces by five, everything was always being hit by a cast
rigid bluff
wait i just realized that cast always have missileseeking
does the artemis buff just make it better now?
slow star
have another
This is the greatest spoiler ever
if you fail to impress dad of boy, boy of dad gets onion
frozen jolt
hes so liddol
slow star
lil boye, here to mess your day up
frozen jolt
i like the merchant because he is making me let go of the indescribable rage i feel when i see louts
best quality.... his wiggles
slow star
you can stagger louts now by dashing through em
languid cairn
ACHILLES AND PATROCLUS 
MY HEART
runic terrace
WHEN HE SAID TELL ME ABT PATROCLES I WAS LIKE GAAAASSP AND THEN HE SAID THE LOVE WORD AND I OUT LOUD SCREAMED
YEAH!!!!!!
SGG SAID LGBT RIGHTS
languid cairn
THE WORD LOVED BEING USED!!! I AM BLESSED!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THANK U SGG
crude spade
heh
runic terrace
YEAAAAH
crude spade
the energy is too high in here rn its adorable
runic terrace
awwwww!!!
tame mortar
Speaking of love - I love the Megagorgon. LOVE.
crude spade
Update: We have moved the unblockable projectiles from Hydra to Gorgon and also they petrify you kthx
tame mortar
You can get her to petrify herself though, lol
smoky tusk
can you deflect her projectiles?
crude spade
havent seen an athena since the update so i couldnt tell ya
tame mortar
Yeah, you can. GG
blazing peak
I got to the Hydra on my first run on the new patch despite never getting past Meg on previous patches. Pretty excited lol
sage beacon
So what does Heat do?
frozen jolt
you can invest heat in the contracts, which just make the game harder
sage beacon
Contracts?
frozen jolt
you do that at the desk in your room
they make the game more difficult with no extra reward for doing so
sage beacon
I imagine later there will be a reward for it. Seems odd to implement it with no reward
stark tulip
one neat little thing i just noticed is that what appears to be skelly's tongue is actually a coin
like the drachmas or whatever they used to cover the eyes of the dead
(maybe that was just the percy jackson term for the coins)
digital crag
oh you're right!
he's been gargling a coin this whole time
does darren put a coin in his mouth when he voices skelly cause he should
acoustic condor
It's an obol for Charon!
If someone died in Greece you would put a coin in their mouth for Charon so they would be ferried to Hades
Also Chaos is great new favourite god I love their boons they're spicy and cool but I'm ngl I do hope at some point either a legendary or a special item gives you a unique effect cuz... what could Chaos make you do? that'd be NiceTM to know
Also their voice is... so good
digital crag
1 health for 5 rooms and then you turn INVINCIBLE
acoustic condor
I wanna open a rift in time and space that just swallows enemies
OR a random god effect added to your attacks
Like Fruitcake w tears in TBOI
acoustic condor
Like Not To Make Hades TBOI B U T
That WOULD be coooool
And it makes sense lorewise
crude spade
@acoustic condor just fyi chaos isnt a god ๐
they are a primordial force that precedes even the Titans
acoustic condor
dw I know I'm a classics student
crude spade
ok haha
acoustic condor
But within the game context they're basically another god
Thanks for checking tho x
crude spade
no worries, im a bit of a classical nerd myself :3
acoustic condor
Perfect
You know I think they don't necessarily have to add rewards directly to the Pact of Punishment if the detriments synergize with upgrades elsewhere
Like you can increase enemy spawns so get an upgrade that makes enemies drop money
erego more enemies more money, it just means they have to introduce something that you can only get if you have enough money from enough enemy spawns
Like if you get something that enables the other, and then have a separate reward that necessitates them both then you've got a lot of endgame progression stacking and maximum-tier goals
I mean adding direct rewards for being punished in hell doesn't make much sense anyway right
onyx spoke
it is a contract that you sign
it just feels less important to pick and choose what penalties I want to have if there's no incentive other than "more challenge"
amber canyon
Yeah, youd imagine a contract to have a reason for you to sign it
acoustic condor
Masochism
digital crag
do all the sprites blink now
scenic comet
I was SO MAD when I realized that Skelly had a coin in his mouth, just that delightful rage of "THOSE BLEEPING BRILLIANT-" cue chain of gleeful swearing, you know?
scenic comet
Like, you're mad but it's so darn cool.
And I don't think the Big Gorgon is actually Dusa's sister. The codex mentions that the little ones are bits of her blood given form.
acoustic condor
Yeah I mean they're probably 'related' but like... distantly
Also Hades says that the Pact is just arbitrary suffering so I reckon it'll stay as optional difficulty scaling
Ooooooooooooo I think Chaos' boons themselves are totally random? like the good and bad are random combos
God I love these so much
fickle garden
just started playing the new update, what exactly does heat do?
does it serve as anything but trading stuff?
spiral saddle
its used to make the game harder
fickle garden
oh, where do you use it at?
spiral saddle
the table with the contract in zags room, you unolck w keys then you use heat to make it only more challenging
neat crow
You unlock the desk in your bedroom
fickle garden
oh didn't unlock that yet, was wondering what the desk did
floral briar
so I got the new "mini boss" this run
umbral wolf
yeah shes a pain to fight without deflect
floral briar
I had a zeus epic cast along with the zeus epic dash
it's hard to figure out how broken upgrades/weapons are till we get all the levels.
but with the fully upgrade mirror, I was 2/2 today with the bow and shield
the spear is in my opinion the hardest weapon to use.
spiral saddle
i feel like the ending of hades will have 2 ways
you live with persephone or on olympus
since persephone isnt living on olympus for some unknown reason
stark tulip
persephone is a mortal
stark tulip
it's also interesting because i'm pretty sure one of the codex entries says there's currently a war going on outside
oh, i stand corrected
spiral saddle
i hope the next update has elysium and a weapon
pale nest
He has such a gentle voice~~
hallow oasis
who has two thumbs and finally beat the bone hydra
this girl
it only took me ...uh....60 tries... but HOW DO YOU LIKE THAT, DAD.
pale nest
Congrats!
finite aurora
woooah i really like the knew shield bash arrow
and yeah gj ;-; i just got there
new*
fickle garden
always loved the sheild myself
spiral saddle
15 complete runs with bow and 9 i think w spear
fickle garden
the new update to the special also makes it so much better, it no longer gets lost in giant rooms
spiral saddle
shield seems cool but in actual gameplay its underwhelming
nova barn
I'm at 3 wins with each weapon now
fickle garden
btw if anyone wants an easy run, just take the ares trinket and take the perk that gives your sheild throw after damage
it's so good
nova barn
11 win run streak right now
The new Hydra is tougher though to an extent
but at least you can deflect his arrows now
fickle garden
honestly new hydra is easier
just the fact that you can defelct the arrows makes so much of a difference
nova barn
It's more about you having to dodge the other heads rather than the main one
fringe niche
i just figured i accidentally played several runs with 60% more enemies activated... and i wondered how the heck is the game suddenly so tough
nova barn
lol
fickle garden
ha
fringe niche
this isnt a joke, the harder mode
like seriously, ever had 6 fat red guys with shield run to you in countdown room?
in smallest room possible
fringe niche
JusT KIlL theM
spiral saddle
yes
fringe niche
spiral saddle
exactly
fringe niche
i guess you're right, how could i missed that one
spiral saddle
im only going to use scroll when im used to new update stuff
pale nest
Thanks Hypnos
spiral saddle
i have about 20 heat waitin
hallow oasis
Shield's the only one I've managed to make real progress with
I like the feel of the bow but I still haven't really managed to keep from getting hit with it
pale nest
Sword is love, sword is life
hallow oasis
I guess shield appeals to me because I'm hot off of a Bastion replay. too
fringe niche
bow feels weirdish now with no crit and triple shot unable to hit same target
pale nest
You havenโt lived until Flurry Blade + Zeus attack
hallow oasis
And it plays the ost like Bastion
pale nest
Everything explodes
finite aurora
oml
i just took a chaos upgrade that made me slow
but i didnt know how slow it would be
dry sundial
ahaha I dash so much that I barely noticed the speed debuff
https://i.imgur.com/5gZ9Lwr.jpg also sorry if someone already pointed this out but I wonder if these defaced statues in tartarus were of persephone?
spiral saddle
perhaps
pale nest
Could be Dusa
finite aurora
its definitely Dusa
hallow oasis
"It is my solemn duty to provide my favorite boy with all the treats I am able to procure." Same, Zag, same.
finite aurora
That is indeed a spoiler
dusk meadow
vast basin
ooohhh
solar pollen
grizzled grail
What's the pact?
atomic forge
just finished it with a shield toss build
feels much better now that the shield comes back faster
simple forum
Just did my first run after the update, not sure what surprised me more. Petrifying Gorgons or losing the walls in the Hydra fight. On the plus side feels great that Hydra projectiles can be reflected/destroyed
neat crow
Yes! It's very nice
I really like the new Chaos stuff too
Hmmm, wonder if I'm reading too much into the You are dissimilar from them line... Thoughts? Theories? Conspiracies?
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/444641167485829120/534969917490069507/Hades_00010.png
cursive fractal
Likely because he is not an Olympian
neat crow
Hades isn't technically an Olympian either
But that's more just a matter of where they reside
vast basin
i am very curious how all of this will turn out like will chaos end up being the big bad?
will we have to fight all the titans at one point...well probably
cursive fractal
I'm curious how much of the classic Zagreus myth will play into it, especially with why Zeus is bothering to help when he typically isn't inclined to help anyone just because, at least from the stories I know
vast basin
maybe he just wants to mess with his brother by helping his nephew?
i sure hope zag doesnt get turned into dust by hera
cursive fractal
Hmm, considering how other gods have made a point of stating how odd it is, I doubt that it's that simple
I'm hoping we also get more of the Olympians down the road, I still think Daedalus' hammer should have been Hephaestus' boon
neat crow
Supergiant loves their twists, so it could really be any number of things
thorny dagger
First run on the new update - no chaos room until the room before Hydra. Computer decides to auto-update when Hydra was 2-3 hits away from dead. ๐คท
heady stream
f
wraith aspen
What's everyone's thoughts on Artemis' design?
It's...different from what I expected. Far more naturey though that's fair. She kinda looks like she's Zag's hippie cousin. Though one issue I have is that I think the center bird on her bow is an owl, Athena's sacred animal which isn't fitting at all.
bleak osprey
i love her
neat crow
I really like the Artemis design
bleak osprey
i love her and i love her teeny quail friends!!
neat crow
makes a good "disappointed in you" emoji ๐
wraith aspen
Eh, her facial expression doesn't match her tone or lines
neat magnet
Can someone help explain to me the point of the Pact of Punishment? I get that it makes the game the game harder, but, no rewards? Seems kinda strange to me ๐ค
neat crow
Her line Why would you side with...?! Ugh, why do I even bother with some half-god... is perfect for her San-resemblance
The no rewards is a bit odd, but people asked for a challenge mode and they delivered a challenge mode
neat magnet
I guess /shrug/
neat crow
All their games have them, though. But I agree the no reward is weird. Maybe they'll add some incentive later
lime yoke
maybe feedback some ideas what you'd like to see as rewards?
neat magnet
I liked Bastionโs pantheon system cause it was difficulty + rewardjusy hard difficulty with no incentive seems weird
lime yoke
it's not like they have a lot of options in early access, but they'll probably add some rewards later
wraith aspen
She toggles between adorkably awkward girl who wants to get away and hunt and "please escape and come to Olympus so I can have some not insane."
And yeah, that line sends shivers, and not good ones since I don't like backstabbing Artemis.
And San is the best.
They went all-in with the challenge mode.
The only complaint I have is that it'll take a while before I have enough Heat to unlock everything.
frozen jolt
thatโs a good thing! That means itโll take a while before the only complain youโll have is that thereโs nothing to do with extra resources :]
wraith aspen
The only complaint I'll have is when I inevitably make a mistake and screw up my run
visual laurel
artemis is a protector of nature so i think it makes perfect sense???
like people often associate her most closely with the moon (actually from a goddess she was merged with) and the hunt, but she's also the goddess of mountains and forests
frozen jolt
she has alllll of these elements
I didnโt know she was merged with another goddess tho thatโs interesting
spring scaffold
The reward for using Heat is score, really. Since the point is to make the game harder, there should not be rewards during the run. The only thing they could add would be maybe some new decorations for your room or something.
acoustic condor
Yeah I think it works best as arbitrary difficulty
When you get bored of the game you just make it harder to challenge yourself
frozen jolt
oh god, but then Iโll miss out on the decorations
crude spade
in previous games, the difficulty mods have always increased your XP rewards
acoustic condor
Yeah but those games weren't about suffering in Hell
crude spade
since Hades does not have XP directly written in its hard to say what itd be
acoustic condor
They were just some regular old apocalypses
crude spade
but i do think the system will get some reward
and hey now, pyre wasnt even an apocalypse XD
acoustic condor
Depends what you consider an apocalypse I guess
The loss of the Rites is p apocalyptic to the Downsiders who never got out
digital crag
knowing supergiant they'd have to come up with some significant in-universe explanation for high scores on runs
it can't just be a high score ๐
spring scaffold
It can be.
acoustic condor
It IS a roguelike
It's inherently going to be different from what they usually do
spring scaffold
Just Zag taking count of how well he did.
spring scaffold
Writing his score on his diary.
digital crag
i was just poking fun at the games's tendencies to make everything thematically important, is all
acoustic condor
Whoever said it before was on to something
How much of the original Zagreus are they going to use
Because there was a LotTM
Hades' son, Zeus' son, Zeus' son again after he was eaten by titans and reborn, maybe the original ruler of the underworld, maybe one of the first gods, maybe Dionysus, maybe Dionysus BEFORE there was Dionysus
Connected to the followers of Orpheus because of his connections to Dionysus
There are a lot of different and mythologically disputed directions they could take him in
neat crow
They could also take him in their own direction, bereft of any direct mythological basis
acoustic condor
It's possible but I doubt they'd more perfectly characterize every other figure than any other modern interpretation of the mythos and then just do something wholly original for a significantly named character
wraith aspen
Usually when people think of a Greek nature God, they look to Pan
crude spade
the real perfect characterization is that not all of the characters are perfectly white XD
wraith aspen
Of course, Artemis is green. A nice healthy vegetable green.
crude spade
they made Ares so damn beautiful ;-;
wraith aspen
Ares looks better than he should
spring scaffold
I'm more of a Hades or Zeus kind of man. It's the facial hair.
visual laurel
jen zee makes everybody beautiful because jen zee is an artistic midas
spring scaffold
Glorious Hades moustache.
wraith aspen
Go with Uncle Poseidon
crude spade
Ares is pretty much my ideal man tbh
visual laurel
just roll with it, nothing hurts and everything is good
wraith aspen
He'll take you on a wild ride
crude spade
oh thats just fine with me
wraith aspen
Everyone is fine so long as they're not Aphrodite
acoustic condor
What's wrong w Aphrodite
spring scaffold
Aphrodite is awful.
acoustic condor
McScuse me
spring scaffold
Well, she doesn't look awful, but her personality is.
spring scaffold
And I don't like her in myth either.
acoustic condor
No Aphrodite is vindictive and manipulative and other words I can't say in a sfw server
spring scaffold
I don't mind the fact that she's awful, I'm just stating that she is ๐
acoustic condor
But I love her
wraith aspen
She screws a looooot of people over.
crude spade
yeah i dont like her
wraith aspen
I can't recall what interpretation it was from, but in one case, she caused Achilles to fall in love with Penthesilia right as he killed her and caused him to do...some very unsavory things to her corpse.
acoustic condor
I love her tactically placed hair
visual laurel
That was a medieval fragment
acoustic condor
Also probably not the worst of the things in Greek myth
Not that I can think of higher level than necrophilia off the top of my head
But! it is a cesspit in there so who knows
wraith aspen
Granted, I do remember reading that that particular scenario was a Roman invention to slander the Greeks as even though Achilles' necrophilia is a common tale, for the life of me, I cannot find official record of it
acoustic condor
That IS something the Romans would do
bleak osprey
hi can we maybe Not discuss necrophilia here!
frozen jolt
letโs please steer away from this topic before this channel becomes very unsavory. :)
wraith aspen
Alright. Greek mythology has a lot of unsavory things mind.
acoustic condor
P graphic mmmm
frozen jolt
yes, it does, but this server should not
visual laurel
y'all are welcome to discuss the unsavory bits elsewhere and, for those of you really curious, to google it on your own! i know a lot of friends have been getting back into greek myth because of this game
crude spade
more accurate than percy jackson kek
slow star
@crude spade Does this mean, ares for waifu?
dense fox
why are legendary perks spoilers?
slow star
because it's something exciting for new players to discover on their own?
especially since there's prerequisites to earning them.
and not just a random chance
late nacelle
Does chaos have legendary perks
slow star
no
slow star
you need to get boon tiers.
you need at least two boons from a god to get the legendary, and they've to be in the appropriate tier.
slow star
for zeus for example, you need attack/special/cast. then bounce upgrade, then you can get the legendary.
crude spade
ah
slow star
lightning dash and heaven's vengeance do not serve the progression tier
crude spade
that makes more sense
slow star
if the god has more than three boons left, the chance to get the legendary is reduced
if it has three or less, I feel like it is guaranteed
crude spade
do rarity upgrades boost it?
slow star
don't think so. I think it'sm ore just a rng roll to determine which boons show up
slow star
For aphrodite, I think you need any charm inflicting attack first, I think it can include dash too. then the weakened enemies take more damage
late nacelle
Its because once unlocked in that run the boon is added to the boon pool, so you have 3 chances (considering youre not using heat) each boon to get it amongst the other standard boons
So rarity doesnt boost it
acoustic condor
@slow star how yall know they don't have a legendary
Seems a little weird to me they'd give every god a legendary but not the coolest one
slow star
Because chaos doesn't work like the other gods.
acoustic condor
Doesn't mean it's not there, it just means it's different
slow star
You don't have buffs that enhance the effect of another boon she has.
acoustic condor
They
slow star
Whatever, they take the form of a female
acoustic condor
That's true, but their whole thing is randomly generated boons
I mean they don't really but okay
Anyway it makes sense that if they did have a legendary it would be the only pure rng spawn
dense fox
I feel like Chaos does not really care about gender pronouns, they just sort of... are so call em hatever
slow star
It just wouldn't fit the character if they had a legendary boon.
acoustic condor
I mean I like to go by canon
slow star
besides, the way her boons work, would you have to clear 5+ rooms to get it?
visual laurel
Nyx refers to Chaos as "they" so that's the canon; we have no evidence of Chaos' feelings on the matter but since Nyx is their daughter, she'd probably know
slow star
Because the better the rarity, the more likely you have to clear more rooms.
acoustic condor
The fact that their boons have rarity at all implies they would have a legendary as any other god
It's the logical conclusion to a rarity scale
slow star
All other gods have boons with pre-requisites. Who knows, maybe there's a rarity after X chaos unlocks, or it's completely random. It's just that none of her boons have unique effects so far that aren't just raw stat boosts.
Scenario one doesn't seem likely, as by the time you get it, you'd most likely have gotten near the hydra
acoustic condor
Also expounding on the canon evidence there, they're entirely discussed in uncertain terms and referred to as gentlebeing so they're obviously gender ambiguous
slow star
to near to unlock the positive effect
frozen jolt
they are certain terms, just neutral ones
slow star
as getting three (the minimum for legendary) is very hard on a run
acoustic condor
It's possible to get a Chaos boon before you can unlock the positive effect before the hydra fight
Someone on here said they were a room off getting it when they got to the boss if I do recall
slow star
Whilst completely random could work, but then what. does it just give a BIGGER stat boost?
frozen jolt
yep that happened to me
slow star
I mean, it could always be. "amplifies all other chaos boons"
acoustic condor
I wouldn't know what it gives because I haven't seen it and their boons are unique
slow star
and I know it's possible.
They're not unique. Athena has attack up boons that give deflection, her boons just give attack up.
or cast count up
acoustic condor
Also Alma I know but what I mean is Zagreus says whoever or whatever you are when he first meets them I think
lunar kiln
Cuz its the first time he meets them
acoustic condor
I know but that's my point
frozen jolt
thatโs because he didnโt know who that was yet haha
acoustic condor
It's clear to someone who meets them that they don't fit an understood presentation binary
acoustic condor
Yes they're nonbinary
acoustic condor
Or I guess agender could work too
frozen jolt
Which doesnโt imply any gender if you donโt know who the symbol belongs to
acoustic condor
Anyway @slow star my point is their boons are variable with no certain theme; Zeus has chain damage, Poseidon has knockback, Artemis has crit, Athena has defense etc., 'stat boost' is a wide open field
lunar kiln
Chaos spies with their differently sized and shaped eyes and will delete you from existence if you disrespect their pronouns
acoustic condor
Their negative effects are also like... anything
slow star
i wouldn't say poseidon gives pure stat boost. His knockback is added on top of your knockback, you can even see enemies stagger as they get two effects, one slightly delayed. With his follow up boons all amplifying wall slamming.
acoustic condor
Obviously there's a fixed selection but it's not a debuff to a specific thing
slow star
which makes you focus more on trying to abuse environmental hazards
and changes up your playstyle
acoustic condor
I'm... not sure what your point is
I didn't say he gave stats?
I'm saying that every god has 1 particular effect that their boon applies
But Chaos can affect multiple things
In both positive and negative wayss
slow star
Yup, because chaos is indeed, truly random
acoustic condor
So you can't really predict what any of the boons will be
acoustic condor
And I'm sure their legendary is just around the corner
I would like to thank Jen Zee from the bottom of my heart for giving me a new lockscreen and homescreen
Both, because I cannot get enough of this breathtaking gentlebeing
slow star
legendary : you can now kill enemies in one hit as your damage increases by 500%, but they also kill you in one hit until this activates.
:^)
frozen jolt
@dense fox the small gorgons spawned from dusaโs blood from when she was beheaded by perseus
I dunno about the large one, I donโt remember her codex entry now
dense fox
Wait so why did Perseus behead Dusa? Was Dusa much less chill in the past?
acoustic condor
P mean lady
frozen jolt
like, The Medusa
So you could read up on the myth because I donโt know the details
dense fox
Well yeah but how did she go from "Angry myth monster" to "timid house maid" is my question
frozen jolt
I just know he did that
primal flame
you'd become timid as well, in the presence of Hades himself 
acoustic condor
I mean if you got your head cut off and Hades was like hey lil mama lemme whisper in your ear work as a maid in my house or roast in the Phlegethon for all eternity
You'd probably mellow out a bit
frozen jolt
maybe she always was timid, just could turn people into stone when she became a gorgon
we donโt know
dense fox
I mean i never really questioned it till the reveal of gorgons coming from her blood proved she got beheaded at some point
spring scaffold
Although, there's the possibility of Dusa being Medusa's shade, but in that case, why wouldn't she get her body back?
tawdry rivet
@spring scaffold daughter or neph of a sort I guess
acoustic condor
Keep her humble
frozen jolt
I mean, everyone in the house who isnโt a chthonic god is a shade
so dusaโs head could be both in the house and on the shield if she is Medusa
acoustic condor
Yeah true
spring scaffold
But why wouldn't she get her body back? Does the appearance of your shade depend on the appearance you had when you died?
digital gulchBOT
Thanks for reporting a game freeze! The most common solution to this issue can be found in #hades-tech-fixes-old
acoustic condor
ty Proxy I appreciate the effort U_U
lunar kiln
Sjkdfhjf
primal flame
hahahahaha 
frozen jolt
it could also be just. An artistic liberty
acoustic condor
I mean I'm pretty sure monsters wouldn't get traditionally styled shades as is?
And they may be sapient demihumans but the gorgons were traditionally considered monsters
frozen jolt
Donโt you call her a monster :(
acoustic condor
So her appearance might already just be like a cool fun thing as it is
I know I know it hurts me it really does
frozen jolt
jkjk. Arenโt the skullcrushers cyclops shades or did I misread
acoustic condor
I think they are
Something about punishment for not helping the gods in the war?
lunar kiln
When youre in a survival room and you see 5+ circular shadows following you
frozen jolt
lol oh god Iโve had that
And I also couldnt dash because of a chaos boon
It was SCARY
lunar kiln
Theres this sense of impending doom
slow star
Proxy, do you love me?
acoustic condor
That would be the doom, which is impending
slow star
Not being able to dash in asphodel survival room
that's scary
It's also like
"Do I dash, or risk getting exploded by the bomb?"
Sometimes better to take the damage and not die.
real spire
The patch said something about new decor item for the Zag room. Did anyone see it in the shop?
slow star
nope
shops do seem fuller
I imagine it's the PACT
not an actual decor item
i've always found hades' house a bit cramped...
lunar kiln
His signature is a mess but it sorta reads his name even though theres no H
acoustic condor
Also he confirms it when Zag asks why he has it in the first place
bleak osprey
actually the signature does say hades name
acoustic condor
Given that there's no reward
bleak osprey
itโs in greek
acoustic condor
And Hades says 'you want to suffer don't you'
bleak osprey
แพฮดฮทฯ
acoustic condor
To that effect that's not a quote
visual laurel
they didn't write the aspiration mark in front of the alpha...i guess in modern it wouldn't have one anyways, lol
bright hamlet
Has anyone experienced the Hydra's AI breaking on the latest patch?
primal flame
how so?
primal flame
can't tune in, sorry
bright hamlet
If I clip it, can you watch it?
bleak osprey
maybe just record it?
bright hamlet
primal flame
I hate my mobile discord, doesn't let me open links in my browser...
bright hamlet
I've already reported it with F10, but...
This is only my 2nd run since the patch and I was wondering if it's a common issue
primal flame
did you try destroying the rock?
bright hamlet
It's not destroyable
primal flame
rip
dense fox
I thought of/am working on an interesting way stats for Zag could be implemented, but before I suggest it I want to refine it a bit, and need to ask a question about greek mythology since this is a bit i'm sort of unfamiliar on:
What was the deal with The Titans? Like what was the things they governed and why did the gods of olympus wage war on them?
Because I was thinking: after a certain amount of failed runs, zag gets a mysterious artifact in his room. This is from a secret servant of the long imprisoned Titans, who tell zag that they will give him power, and all he has to do is keep doing what he has been doing: trying to escape so they can see the security measures. Zag, having presumably heard of the titans to be jerks, can either accept or refuse. If you refuse, game goes on as normal. If you accept, you get the option to increase zag's various stats by investing darkness and/or heat. But here's the catch: if you invest too MUCH darkness and/or heat, you get a "Bad" ending where the titans escape and wreak havok. There are ways to increase the limit forever, or decrease it by the contract if you prefer, but these are rare, and while you are given an estimate as to how close to escape they are, it's never a pinpoint thing.
I wanted to work the stats idea i had for a while now, but since just stright up stats would make the game too easy and i imagine peopel to be against it, try and work it into hades in such a way that it either does not make the game easier, or if it does has some potentianl risk to using it so you don't rely on it as a crutch. As well as add some lore. I seemed to recall the titans being kinda elementalist, which gave me the idea that you could justify hp increase stat option as a boon from a earthy one or something
longpost sorry
visual laurel
dense fox
So... could it work?
Seems like it could
Want to workshop the idea a bit before suggesting it
And if anyone has ideas on how to make it better/more of a risk vs reward thing let me know.
frozen jolt
the feedback channel is mostly for your experiences with the gameplay and what you think would make it feel better/more fun. this is a creative idea, but not exactly what the channel is for - i dont think we can really influence the story in any way ๐
slow star
I wonder, if hades can't get out of the underworld, why can the other furies?
or did I get that wrong, and they haven't gotten out of the underworld yet.
lunar kiln
bc he's not supposed to leave
slow star
so probable that he is being kept in by the other son of nyx
lunar kiln
specifically him
slow star
or maybe even the doggo
lunar kiln
i'm sure it's something like The Powers That Be
i'm not well-versed into greek mythology
in my understanding hades has supreme authority over everyone and everything in the underworld
except maybe the underworld itself??
idk how to word it
visual laurel
the underworld existed before hades and will exist when he's gone but he's its....steward?
the oceans and the skies existed before zeus and poseidon took them over
timid mirage
I hope they add cerberus as a boss fight
lunar kiln
i hope not
timid mirage
He doens't wants you to leave though
uncut sail
He is probably unable to leave for some reason maybe he is bounded to it
atomic forge
i don t wanna fight my own doggggg
uncut sail
He is a good boy