h1-story-discussion

[wary bison]

i'm gonna push you against the lockers and take your lunch money

[paper stream]

oh wow I've never met anyone who has read books

[tardy cedar]

hmmmm

[odd grove]

it shouldn't be long I guess, at the beginning of the note it was seeing "Update is out !"

[tardy cedar]

i know blood gastes are getting something new

[late nacelle]

I would say weird flex but okay but having a good memory is a great flex

[tardy cedar]

some sort of chaos-related buff

that has side effects

the new hades challenge where you aren't allowed to get hit looks to be the first hades challenge you can fail and not die to

[paper stream]

not looking forward to that, I'm a little bad at not getting hit when the rooms get all spammy

[proven linden]

how the flup are you remembering all this, I am so impressed

[wary bison]

READING IS HARD

[muted viper]

i wish i could read

[tardy cedar]

the 3 new enemy types as said earlier, skullcrusher, gorgon, demogorgon

[odd grove]

gonna get hit on first room and disappoint daddy again

[trail zephyr]

NO I DONT WANNA FIGHT DUSAS

[paper stream]

I'd remember all of it if the notes hadn't literally disappeared the second I clicked the channel 😦

[trail zephyr]

I need her as a plushie 😭

[peak bramble]

dang, so no new weapon right?

[tardy cedar]

i unfortunately wasn't able to get to any pure balance changes to weapons and such or boons

[wary bison]

when are we gonna get that in gmae

[tardy cedar]

there might be a new weapon; I don't know

[sharp axle]

Not demogorgon, megagorgon!

[bleak osprey]

i did spot that quick temper has been replaced

[tardy cedar]

oh has it?

[pale nest]

Whaaaat

[tardy cedar]

dang

[bleak osprey]

and infernal soul has been reduced in rank numbers

[latent yoke]

@bleak osprey YOU KNOW EVERYTHING STOP LYING

[bleak osprey]

yeah something to do with more damage right after you hit something with cast

i do not

[pale nest]

Ew cast

[tardy cedar]

mods are volunteers and don't really know much more than we do

except bad puns

[bleak osprey]

max speaks the truth of it

[trail zephyr]

@tardy cedar Ive got a runningtheory there's two more weapons.

[tardy cedar]

mods know more than us on that

[trail zephyr]

Just based on the layout.

but what, I'm not sure, we have 3 melee and 1 ranged....

[languid cairn]

what happened with cast??

[trail zephyr]

so I'm thinking 2 more ranged, or something mid-tier

[languid cairn]

idk what else could be ranged

[tardy cedar]

can we get a whip @ supergiantgames

[muted viper]

a gun

[languid cairn]

kjasdlfkasdf

[latent yoke]

im thinking m4a4 silenced as new weapon

[paper stream]

well, think of other Greek type weapons

[pale nest]

I want Greek fire

[tardy cedar]

i mean like

[wary bison]

yeah just give me a gun tbh

[tardy cedar]

ares could use guns

[odd grove]

i want greek gyros

[wary bison]

let me glock the hydra

[pale nest]

Game doesn’t have any DoT yet

I want some

[trail zephyr]

perhaps it could be spellsy stuff?

[bleak osprey]

god. the rest of the weapons are all fancy-named and then there's just A Gun

[languid cairn]

i havent played AC idk what other greek weapons there are

[trail zephyr]

more spellsy that your spell rock?

[languid cairn]

Ares is DOT right?

[amber canyon]

Well, we know a few things

[tardy cedar]

when using gun, your special turns the gun sideways and rap music starts playing

[bleak osprey]

wait wait where's photoshop

[muted viper]

yall got me hyped for a gun now

[amber canyon]

Blood Gates reworked so you get special boons with downsides

[paper stream]

Could be a sling

[amber canyon]

Pacts for increased challenge

[bleak osprey]

i can totally photoshop this

[amber canyon]

Trading resources in the House of Hades

[trail zephyr]

@tardy cedar *trap music

[amber canyon]

Also, crit damage was increased while chance was decreased

So I guess the crit dash upgrade was nerfed

[languid cairn]

f

[tame mortar]

The one other thing I remember from my quick glance at the notes: Zag has been redrawn to better match the art style of the rest of the game

[trail zephyr]

@amber canyon I figured that was coming.

[tardy cedar]

no, the crit dash upgrade would have been buffed in that case, no?

[bleak osprey]

i was so happy to see that one fury

[languid cairn]

any aphro nerfs 👀

[amber canyon]

It was obvious, yeah

Why would you nerf Aphro now?

She is already really bad

[bleak osprey]

like does it look to anyone else like he's got a faceful of white paint

[languid cairn]

idk

[tardy cedar]

because the crit dash deals guaranteed crits

[trail zephyr]

not really, it could go from guaranteed crits to % crits.

[languid cairn]

i havent played since that nerf

[amber canyon]

Yeah, Aphro is bad

[trail zephyr]

the previous one having promised crits was gnarly

[languid cairn]

oof

sad

[short iris]

wait did the patch notes get posted on accident

[tardy cedar]

yes

[short iris]

ohshi

[amber canyon]

Lowest base% and her % increase is also lower

[wary bison]

"Prometheus made man and Nyx made the world, but Samuel Colt made them equal"

[hoary junco]

aphro is dope

[latent yoke]

we need aphrodite's poster in 4k right now its pixelated poor zag

[languid cairn]

i cared a lot abt that half damage

[wary bison]

Give me a gun supergiant

[pale nest]

Aphro def doesn’t need nerfs

[trail zephyr]

god no

[amber canyon]

Aphro needs a buff tbh

[hoary junco]

have you never got aphro's legendary weak enemies are converted?

[trail zephyr]

Aphro needs to be buffed just slightly; her damage buff is so weak compared to everyone else

[amber canyon]

I got that one twice

[languid cairn]

which gods are p good rn?

[amber canyon]

Ive never seen it do anything

[languid cairn]

im assuming art

[pale nest]

Aphro is like my least fav buff

[latent yoke]

@hoary junco yeah pretty useless

[amber canyon]

Athena and Poseidon

[trail zephyr]

I got it right before Hydra 😭

[amber canyon]

Athena moreso

[hoary junco]

its so good in asphodel

[amber canyon]

And Artemis, but that might change

[short iris]

artemis > athena imo

[trail zephyr]

Artemis + Athena tho

[amber canyon]

Zeus can be good with Flurry Blade

[wary bison]

Athena is kinda busted if you get her basic attack buff

[paper stream]

Aphro's charm works, the problem is that it's not all that relevant most of the time

[hoary junco]

i hope artimus gets visual update though

[paper stream]

The charmed enemies don't do much

[latent yoke]

why use apho when you can get tier 3 zeus and blast everything to hell within seconds

[amber canyon]

Aphro is mediocre and Ares is bad

[languid cairn]

charm is useless to me

[trail zephyr]

legendary Artemis with Zeus attack is pretty hysterical

[rain finch]

aphro is worthless now

[short iris]

i'm really not a fan of athena i'm sure she's good but i'm way too aggressive for what she wants you to do

[languid cairn]

i like that nice uhhh half damage

[hoary junco]

ares carries me through most runs

[languid cairn]

rip my gf

[trail zephyr]

@short iris I think she has the best damage upgrade overall....and you say that but you need to try her boon on sword special

[amber canyon]

I mean Athena is great if you are agressive

[trail zephyr]

it's s i l l y

[amber canyon]

Since she has the highest damage%

[paper stream]

Ares curse is really good on abilities that don't do much base damage, otherwise he's meh

[rain finch]

isn't athena the highest damage now?

[amber canyon]

And also lets you attack while projectiles are on the screen

[pale nest]

Athena attack on flurry blade is life

[amber canyon]

Ares curse is just a trap in general

[hoary junco]

damn min maxers

[rain finch]

ares cast is the only good thing about him

[pale nest]

I enjoy being invincible forever

[amber canyon]

Its only good when used with bad abilities

[rain finch]

and even that is mediocre

[trail zephyr]

^

[hoary junco]

ares curse is great if you play passivley

[trail zephyr]

Ares could use a rework tbh

[covert verge]

ye

[trail zephyr]

his best thing is revenge damage

[amber canyon]

Should be a DoT rather than delayed, but yes

[rain finch]

but his flat 10% damage

heh

[languid cairn]

im assuming spear is the best weapon?

[trail zephyr]

which....requires taking damage

[short iris]

that's fair, i've been enjoying crit-dash builds so much that i pick artemis over athena like any time

[hoary junco]

what the hell are you guys on about

[amber canyon]

Bow is generally considered the best

[rain finch]

it doesn't require taking damage

[paper stream]

My first hydra clear was a shield special ares build, did almost 200 damage per hit (obviously not that great in retrospect, but it was enough)

[rain finch]

just shieldblock

heh

[amber canyon]

Spear is also up there

[latent yoke]

@languid cairn imho spear is many tiers above every other weapon

[hoary junco]

are we talking about the same game here?

[trail zephyr]

@short iris got that crit dash is life

[median badger]

@languid cairn spear and bow

[tardy cedar]

yeah, chen

[languid cairn]

i normally use bow and i was trash at the spear so

[amber canyon]

Sword and shield are ok

Both have their flaws

[languid cairn]

as long as the bow is still good

[trail zephyr]

I speedrun with bow

[pale nest]

Sword and spear are my fav

[short iris]

crit dash shield is fun as heck in tartarus

[pale nest]

Still don’t like bow

[amber canyon]

I didnt see a nerf to bow in the notes, but I didnt get to read all of it

[short iris]

not so much asphodel

[hoary junco]

holy crap this chat is twisted

[trail zephyr]

that + crit dash + athena damage + triple shot is HYPE

[amber canyon]

Or point blank shot

[median badger]

i think spear and bow are the best followed by shield followed by sword

[rain finch]

crit dash shield with quick charge

[amber canyon]

Or perfect shot

[latent yoke]

tbh bow is really dependant on daedalus upgrades. if you find none good luck getting to hydra. spear is strong even without daedalus

[rain finch]

is amazing

[amber canyon]

Ehh

[trail zephyr]

@amber canyon a man after my heart

[amber canyon]

Bow is really good baseline as well

[rain finch]

ya you don't need the triple shot

[amber canyon]

Its ceiling is just ludicrous

[tardy cedar]

point blank shot is fun

[trail zephyr]

I can get through Hydra on bow without Daedelus; it's really about the boons overall

[amber canyon]

Plus it has few bad upgrades

Special one if you dont want to go special

[languid cairn]

point blank is fun
i like triple

[trail zephyr]

point blank/precision/triple shots are all great

[amber canyon]

And steady shot which doesnt exist

[short iris]

which bow upgrades are the insane ones?

[amber canyon]

Triple and perfect

[short iris]

ok

ty

[amber canyon]

Point blank is a bit wonky so its a half-iter lower Id say

[trail zephyr]

get a good damage build with trips, or charge shot even and it gets gross

[rain finch]

^

[languid cairn]

maybe im thinking of perfect

[amber canyon]

Oh and the reason Triple Shot is particularly busted?

[tardy cedar]

actually i really enjoy steady shot

[languid cairn]

i dont remember f

[amber canyon]

Its one of the few multiplicative damage increases

[tardy cedar]

please don't murder me

[amber canyon]

So its not 200% extra damage

[trail zephyr]

steady is legit

[amber canyon]

Its your damage multipled by 3

[trail zephyr]

^^

[rain finch]

I'm surprised the bow isn't getting a slight nerf

[trail zephyr]

each arrow carries the same damage as your base multipler

[tardy cedar]

it probably is

[languid cairn]

high risk high reward

[trail zephyr]

x3

[tardy cedar]

we just haven't read full notes yet

[rain finch]

you'd think triple shot would be 80% per shot or something

[short iris]

if it doesn't, it's for speedrunning

[rain finch]

not just 3x

[short iris]

let's be real

[trail zephyr]

@rain finch SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

let us have nice things!

lol

[median badger]

you have to keep in mind guys that we got more ares so after the 2 easy ones we can´t say if something is broken

[rain finch]

if you wanted nice things

[median badger]

areas*

[tame mortar]

I'm kinda of the opinion that all weapons should be on the level of the bow, not that the bow needs to be nerfed (well, maybe slightly)

[short iris]

i hope bow stays busted because i want a fast speedrun lol

[rain finch]

aphro would still be 70%

[trail zephyr]

@rain finch facts

[amber canyon]

Eh

[languid cairn]

i miss broken shield

[amber canyon]

It depends on future areas

[trail zephyr]

and agreed Amber, I still need to get under 12 minutes

[short iris]

the game is supposed to be hard unless you find a way to break it

so.

[rain finch]

and I think triple shot needs to be nerfed

[trail zephyr]

....although now my build is longer

[rain finch]

cause it isn't even in line with other bow upgrades

[short iris]

i think it's fine if the power level is 99% lower

[amber canyon]

I dont think triple shot inherently should be nerfed

[median badger]

i mean i beat the game with only thunder dash never using my weapon sooo

[trail zephyr]

nah it 100% does need nerfed, it's so good right now

[latent yoke]

you realize a build is broken when you literally mash your keyboard through every room without even needing to dodge

[amber canyon]

But hammer upgrades % increases should all be multiplicative

[tame mortar]

I'm fine with things being difficult. I want it to be difficult.
I just wish enemies/bosses were less tanky and did more damage.

[amber canyon]

Its part of why for Spear, the 200% damage on range is a strictly worse version of guaranteed crit for special

[rain finch]

.8 * 3 is still 240%

[median badger]

@latent yoke yes for example only using thunder dash 😛

[trail zephyr]

yea, like 80% damage on triple shot would be decent

[languid cairn]

i mean its still super fun to be op

[trail zephyr]

make it feel a little better balanced

[latent yoke]

@median badger yeah or thunder cast

[rain finch]

cause right now

it has 0 downside

[trail zephyr]

but if it got as low as say 50% people may look away

[rain finch]

all upside

that or buff the other hammer upgrades

[trail zephyr]

I'd be ok with that even

[rain finch]

but triple shot seems to be the outlier

so

[latent yoke]

i really feel like the spear special is the most useless thing in the game tho

[rain finch]

sword special mate

[latent yoke]

@rain finch thats really good

[rain finch]

umm...

[tame mortar]

Spear special with 500% armor damage is/was insane

[trail zephyr]

Athena sword special is super busted

[tardy cedar]

spear special is pretty nice

[median badger]

@latent yoke i disagree since with some nice boons it´s pretty good

[tardy cedar]

let's backstab

[rain finch]

sword special is so bloody slow

[amber canyon]

Spear special is the best special i nthe game

[trail zephyr]

but again: with boons its busted

[rain finch]

if there was a thing that sped its animation up

[shy socket]

You can cancel regular attacks into sword special tho

[latent yoke]

yeah but when i get proposed attack boon vs special boon i always gonna go for the attack one

[amber canyon]

Its really really good

[trail zephyr]

there's a hammer upgrade for that....

[amber canyon]

Also very safe while doing absurd damage

[rain finch]

unless they nerf artemis dash this patch

[median badger]

@rain finch take the poseidon upgrade and the area increase with the sword special and you wreck every room

[rain finch]

I still don't see the point of special

[tame mortar]

Spear special also doesn't lock you in place

[languid cairn]

they are f

[trail zephyr]

like you get a good bully build on sword and it goes all over

[spice robin]

where is the patch notes?

[tardy cedar]

sleeping

[rain finch]

@median badger I did a full special build and I still ended up killing hydra with basic attacks

[trail zephyr]

athena on special, poseidon on attack + bonus wall damage get's pretty hilarious

[rain finch]

special just doesn't have the dps

even when all my upgrades went into it

[median badger]

yes because the special is good for trash not for the boss

[rain finch]

and attack had 0 upgrades

[amber canyon]

In terms of options, Id rate it, currently, Bow attacks>Spear Spin = Spear Special>Sword attacks = Shield attacks > Sword Special >>>>>>>> Shield Special

[rain finch]

no I agree

but if I spent all my upgrades into special

you'd think it would out dps 0 levels of attack

[amber canyon]

Sword special is odd

But it can be good

[trail zephyr]

thats partly why I tend to not take armor and ground boons

[languid cairn]

i like how bow special isnt on there un lmao

[amber canyon]

Oh I forgot bow special

[trail zephyr]

bosses dont have armor, so its only good for trash

[rain finch]

bow special is just trash

[amber canyon]

Its above Sword Special I guess

[robust glacier]

it's updating for me.

[trail zephyr]

bow special is pretty garbage

[fierce sphinx]

ITS HERE

[amber canyon]

But yeah, Spear Special is really good

[fierce sphinx]

ITS TIME BOIS

[languid cairn]

POG

[trail zephyr]

even after boons

[languid cairn]

IM AT WORK

[trail zephyr]

WAIT IS IT TIME

[languid cairn]

GIMME THOSE SWEET ART SPOILERS BOIS

[tame mortar]

oh yas

[trail zephyr]

👀

[median badger]

as i said take the poseidon special upgrade plus the deadalus area upgrade and the sword special is completely broken to kill trash mobs for bosses it´s complete trash

[shy socket]

It's out, for real?

[rain finch]

http://prntscr.com/m7mxqk

[near ocean]

HYPERA

[trail zephyr]

actually screaming

[late nacelle]

WHY IS MINE NOT

[shy socket]

Aight, guess I won't be sleeping early after all

[trail zephyr]

^

[median badger]

i smell fake

[amber canyon]

41% updated

[tardy cedar]

that would be a very difficult fake, argo

[real pagoda]

the hype

[shy socket]

Cya peeps

[trail zephyr]

espcially since three people have said it

just rechecked chat

[late nacelle]

Guys reload launcher

[amber canyon]

It is updating

[late nacelle]

It's here

[median badger]

ok it´s out

HYPE^1

[frozen jolt]

it isnt fake, restart your launched if it did not automatically start for you

[languid cairn]

io got the TWEET

[median badger]

see ya fellas

[desert rain]

1.78GB update

[languid cairn]

POGG

[amber canyon]

Its ready

[late nacelle]

25% esgetit

[trail zephyr]

https://twitter.com/SupergiantGames/status/1085262876871294977

Supergiant Games (@SupergiantGames)

The Chaos Update for #HADES is here!! https://t.co/RYb8EdHsQo

Folks who purchased the game will get it automatically via the Epic Games store. Full patch notes in the game client and our Discord. Have fun, and may the fates be kind to you down there!

Twitter

[languid cairn]

PATCH NOTES BOIS

[trail zephyr]

ATHENAS ATTACKED GOT BUFFED

NANI

[bleak osprey]

ARTEMIS ART

[trail zephyr]

false alarm. it got nerfed

GIB ARTIE ART

I at work 😭

[white river]

wait so does the game go further

or it still ends at hydra?

[late nacelle]

The highlights are so blessed

[rain finch]

ooh quick temper removed

this is good for game health

[amber canyon]

Hold on

Poseidons attack boon gets a buff

But Aphrodites doesnt?

[bleak osprey]

the game still ends at hydra, but there are new chambers to find within tartarus and asphodel

[latent yoke]

lmao

zeus buffed

[languid cairn]

its okay

[spice robin]

no new weapon =/

[languid cairn]

nothing abt chaos?

[tardy cedar]

artemis dash appears to be unchanged?

[trail zephyr]

no wait

ATHENA buffed, POSEIDON buffed

[languid cairn]

f aphro

[trail zephyr]

triple shot has a WIDER arc

[late nacelle]

Chaos is added as a character

With keepsake

And VA

[bleak osprey]

haha, "cosmic egg" as their keepsake

nice little nod there

[tardy cedar]

🥚

[late nacelle]

in blood gates

[amber canyon]

Athenas special upgrade was buffed

Thats fine

[tardy cedar]

ok but

artemis dash still busted

[amber canyon]

Poseidon was buffed, not inherently something I disagree with

[tardy cedar]

we good

[amber canyon]

But Aphrodite is still bad

[tardy cedar]

like literally i think artemis dash was buffed

by way of crit changes

[amber canyon]

Lets see

[languid cairn]

nice

[amber canyon]

Ill do a test run

[fierce sphinx]

ok time foir the first

run .-.

[tardy cedar]

crits now deal more damage but happen less often, but dash guarantee crits

[languid cairn]

lemme see that art of her un

oh wow

[trail zephyr]

can someone slap down the artemis art?

[bleak osprey]

god, on the one hand i wanna update the wiki with the New Pictures right away, on the other hand i wanna see it for myself ingame first.....

[kind raft]

SHOW ME TOO PLZ

[tardy cedar]

saprrow go play

self care

[bleak osprey]

it's at 88%

[frozen jolt]

saprrow

pyresona

[bleak osprey]

i'm gonna

97%....

[frozen jolt]

sparrow be strong

[rain finch]

rip

[languid cairn]

rip

[plush glacier]

holy bajeesus this is a freaking patch

[bleak osprey]

UPDATED SEE YA LATERRRRR

[plush glacier]

"big update" no kidding

[languid cairn]

BYE SPARROW

HAVE FUN

[rain finch]

they finally show us what god boons do

http://prntscr.com/m7n1k6

[plush glacier]

❤ supergiant games

ranking up boons.

[tardy cedar]

look at that smol star

it's adorable

[bleak osprey]

y'all i deserve this i spent eight hours babysitting discord today

[plush glacier]

Sorry boys, athena is still my waifu

sparrow, no! continue to moderate us.

J/k ❤ enjoy theg ame

^^

[covert verge]

is the cover goddees gaia?

[tardy cedar]

Chaos I would think

[frozen jolt]

my game is almost done updating but i have my eye on yall

[covert verge]

Yea true

[tardy cedar]

mods we'll behave we got our patch notes

[frozen jolt]

ok it updated

shoop

[covert verge]

I wanna see artemis but I shouldnt play I got stuff to do D,

[plush glacier]

Sorry, hades awaits connor

[covert verge]

can someone pass me a pic of the new visuals? :) thatd be neat

[plush glacier]

no work shall be done today

[covert verge]

true ;_;

[bleak osprey]

OH THAT MAIN MENU

[tardy cedar]

sparrow send pics thx

[covert verge]

Sadly my Latin teacher knows enough abt Mythology to rip me with it

[bleak osprey]

[rain finch]

I keep dashing before attacking

old habits die hard

[amber canyon]

Hm

[kind raft]

there should be a boon or something that makes dash attacks better now that the mirror thing is gone

[amber canyon]

Ok, Boiling Blood is kind of ridiculous

[kind raft]

apart from artemis crit of course

[bleak osprey]

!!!!! new zagreus model looks cute

[tardy cedar]

i mean like

[rigid fractal]

zag now explains Armor the first time you encounter it

[tardy cedar]

sparrow that's pretty obvious

[rigid fractal]

loving all the new rooms

[tardy cedar]

he's always cute

[covert verge]

isnt there a Sisy update yet ;_;

[kind raft]

how could they possibly have improved upon zagreus?

[tardy cedar]

it's supergiant

[kind raft]

i mean i know its supergiant

[tardy cedar]

they find ways

[kind raft]

but still

[tardy cedar]

it's supergiant

[rain finch]

artemis art

!!!!

[kind raft]

yeah

but

zagreus

[tardy cedar]

they 👏 find 👏 ways 👏

[covert verge]

!!!!!

[rain finch]

http://prntscr.com/m7n42t

[kind raft]

its late rn and i got stuff to do

[rain finch]

nope crit dash was changed

[languid cairn]

f

[tardy cedar]

ok so

they just

[languid cairn]

better? worse?

[kind raft]

but i just wanna see the new zagreus model at least

[tardy cedar]

didn't put that in the patch notes

[languid cairn]

oof

[rain finch]

hard to say

its more generalized

[lucid matrix]

Anyone wanna send pics of Artemis

[bleak osprey]

oh my goooooood

i checked the codex and saw artemis

[languid cairn]

https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/agcjqb/looking_good_artemis/?st=JQY6IITV&sh=656f5b7b

[bleak osprey]

I GOTTA GO FIND HER NOW,,

[rain finch]

no its better

it works with everythign

[covert verge]

OK IM STRAIGHT NOW

[rain finch]

dash crit works with cast and special

[lucid matrix]

-chokes-

JEN ZEE DOES IT AGAIN

BLESS UP QUEEN

[covert verge]

Loved her hooded pic haha btut his!!!! THIS!!!!!

[lucid matrix]

THANK YOU

[kind raft]

WHAT

[covert verge]

this*

[kind raft]

HOW

ITS SO GOOD

[bleak osprey]

SHE'S SO PRETTY

[tired prawn]

@tardy cedar "Balance - Boons & Upgrades

• Critical effects have a reduced chance, but deal more damage "

It is in there!

[amber canyon]

Oof

[languid cairn]

god all the gods are so hot

[rain finch]

at least better for game balance

[bleak osprey]

also, interesting - just got brimstones in the very first room, i don't think that's happened before

[amber canyon]

That makes Hunters dash actually really really bad

If thats the value

[tardy cedar]

there are multiple things that grant critical chance

[tired prawn]

There are indeed

Most changed!

[tardy cedar]

for example, that makes total sense when thinking of the attack boon from artemis

[lucid matrix]

Wait also could someone show zag’s modified model

[tardy cedar]

but that does not make clear at all the changes to dash

as dash is now heavily reworked

[amber canyon]

So uh

[bleak osprey]

rip, i'm still in the habit of dashing before i attack

[tardy cedar]

so i think it's worth it to put that in the patch notes

[amber canyon]

Maybe Artemis now joins Aphrodite in the "poor choice" camp

Ironic

[tired prawn]

Its chance was reduced from 100%... which is a pretty straight reduction

It's in there!

[amber canyon]

They were together at the very top

Now theyre together at the very bottom

[lucid matrix]

Ooooof

[tardy cedar]

the dash boon specifically is in the boon changes?

[tired prawn]

But that is good feedback

[amber canyon]

I mean Ill play around a bit and see what the values are

[rain finch]

it wasn't clear

from the notes

[bleak osprey]

who wanted zag model

[languid cairn]

me

[rain finch]

cause crit dash didn't give 100% crit chance

it gave 2 crits

[languid cairn]

other people but also me

[amber canyon]

But I think balance is a bit too, how do you say, reckless?

[languid cairn]

i love him

[tardy cedar]

crit dash used to straight up give you crits, so yeah

[bleak osprey]

he doesn't have a really really pale face any more

[tired prawn]

It gave 2 100% crit chances 😛

[amber canyon]

Its like the values can only be extreme

[rain finch]

yes but wording

was confusing

[tired prawn]

Yeah, we can try to clarify it

[amber canyon]

Wait, Aphrodite wasnt changed

Guess Ill try a sword run with Artemis instead

No wait, Poseidon

[tired prawn]

But we thought an all encompassing note was good enough, and would explain these changes. I guess it wasn't enough.

[tardy cedar]

wait, also, does critical damage now have an RNG element?

or did it always have random damage rolls

[rain finch]

wow shield charge is much faster now

[tired prawn]

No, it should do x3 instead of x2 now

it's not RNG

[tardy cedar]

it says at least three times the usual damage

[plush glacier]

poor devs xD lol

[amber canyon]

Crit modifiers

Those exist

[tardy cedar]

is that just because of other bonuses from - ah, got it

[tired prawn]

^^^

[tardy cedar]

kk

[amber canyon]

Alright, so

[tardy cedar]

so artemis is now #trash

good thing she has great art now

that nobody will see 😭

[amber canyon]

Poseidons common boon now starts at 40%

[steady thicket]

https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/agcmwp/who_is_this/?st=JQY6V8RX&sh=86ac78ad

Choas is crazy

[tardy cedar]

woah hold on

w h a t

[rain finch]

https://imgur.com/a/wnKlE9A

bug report channel?

[amber canyon]

Alright, Poseidon and Athena are now equal choices

Both have their advantages

Aphrodite meanwhile is really bad

[bleak osprey]

oh man

[tardy cedar]

yo hold up

[bleak osprey]

blood gates are so spooky now

[tardy cedar]

these boons are nuts

https://owo.whats-th.is/92aea1.png

[languid cairn]

max. what is that link.

[tardy cedar]

I use https://whats-th.is/ for image hosting

[languid cairn]

owo

[amber canyon]

Oh god, Ive played too much crosscode

[languid cairn]

[amber canyon]

I keep trying to press R1 to dodge

[tardy cedar]

those boons are just

w e w

[plush glacier]

@tardy cedar 😠 !

[molten carbon]

god, Chaos looks awesome

[tardy cedar]

bc

[bleak osprey]

oh niiiiiice i'm liking these chaos boons

[tardy cedar]

im bad

you can still read it thou

[bleak osprey]

i jsut got there myself

[tardy cedar]

whatcha got?

[plush glacier]

is there one person who does all the art for supergiant?

I wanna buy them a cake.

eep. 😦

[faint socket]

nope, there are a few between 2d and 3d

[plush glacier]

It's so forking good

[bleak osprey]

epic boon, -35 hp for three encounters, bonus.... attack? after that

[faint socket]

they're all in the credits!

[bleak osprey]

atrophic strike it's called

[rigid fractal]

lol pact of punishment for reduced Darkness... i don't even have 2000 yet 😅

[stark tulip]

i haven't been able to hop in game yet but is there a countdown for the next update? I don't want it to be super soon or anything I'm just curious

[icy stone]

those Artemis thighs

[iron flame]

There is! Update counter updates in-game with the update.

[icy stone]

And people doubted being best girl

[stark tulip]

okay cool, thanks!

[iron flame]

Update update update I really did that to myself.

[icy stone]

So chaos is genderless?

[languid cairn]

lmao

[stark tulip]

thats a greg question id think

(unless its there already)

[amber canyon]

I mean chaos is usually not depicted as a person

But yes, he should be genderless

They

They should be genderless

[tardy cedar]

i think one of the mods might be the embodiment of chaos

[bleak osprey]

ooh hey i think i got one of the new tartarus chambers

[tardy cedar]

i don't know which one thou

[icy stone]

The chaos update splash screen says they

[faint socket]

ye, i also wanted to double check on pronouns for chaos

super cool if chaos does use they/them in-game though :O

[languid cairn]

it would be!! i hope they do

[lunar kiln]

non-binary void

i'm currently dowloading the update

[digital crag]

I love them

Lov that void

[bleak osprey]

they showed up on screen and i was just immediately like

[lunar kiln]

do they have a voice

[bleak osprey]

yes

[faint socket]

i think the patch notes said they do

[bleak osprey]

it's sp00ky

[faint socket]

HECK YEAH

[amber canyon]

Poseidon is now on par with Athena for sure

Neat

[digital crag]

I wanna see artemis sprite blease

[amber canyon]

Aphrodite is still bad, and I was a little disappointed when I saw her icon on a mandatory room

[lunar kiln]

Aphrodite is still bad

🔫

[icy stone]

Hey now,

Artemis is bad too now!

[tardy cedar]

well

not necessarily

[wet smelt]

aphrodite is bad??

[bleak osprey]

a note: unless i am mistaken, poms don't seem to see chaos boons as valid upgrades

wait no

nevermind i don't actually know that

[lunar kiln]

next major update in a month!!!!

[bleak osprey]

belgo,,

[icy stone]

They nerfed Artemis dash, which with the bow and perfect shot was the most fun build

[wet smelt]

are the major updates confirmed to be monthly?

[rain finch]

artemis is fine

[plush glacier]

@icy stone don't you speak ill of her! :d

[faint socket]

i need to ONLY play hades to catch up before the next big update 👀 💦

[icy stone]

All because of the vs spear

[abstract flame]

You can't upgrade chaos boons with poms! We considered it but decided not to.

[rain finch]

they shifted the crit chance from just attack

[digital crag]

It was plain op tho

[rain finch]

to all skills

which I think is fine

[amber canyon]

Artemis and Aphrodite, together at all times

At the very top

And at the very bottom

[rain finch]

makes everythign viable with crit dash

so you can do special crit dashing now

[late nacelle]

Nyx skelly and all the gods have more ambrosia you can give them

[tardy cedar]

Hey alice, how do chaos boons work with the posideon buff that increases resource gain?

[amber canyon]

Oh god

They also nerfed the guaranteed crit on special spear upgrade

Didnt they

[icy stone]

Shoulda nerfed the spear spin if that interaction was the issue

[tardy cedar]

i mean like, artemis now can deal even more damage then before

[icy stone]

But it being chance based takes the fun out of it for me

[tardy cedar]

so you could run Hunter Dash, the 100% more arrows on Bow Special, and go nuts

[rain finch]

I got jebaited

I thought I would run into boat

but I got medusa instead

[icy stone]

Bow special is bad though

[tardy cedar]

right but now

now bow special can crit

[amber canyon]

Hunters dash needed a nerf

This was just too heavy of a nerf

[rain finch]

is it?

I still think its viable

[icy stone]

You have to stand in place for way too long, and if you want to deal any real damage you have to stand right next to the enemy

[amber canyon]

20% on epic

[tardy cedar]

imho they should have kept hunters dash the way it was mechanically but applied a damage penalty

[amber canyon]

Thats about on the level of her already existing boon

[rain finch]

20% chance of 3x damage

[amber canyon]

That doesnt require you to dash

[rain finch]

which isn't bad

and it applies to everything

[amber canyon]

Again, she already had a boon like that

you never took it

Like, 20% chance is if its an epic

[rain finch]

true

[amber canyon]

If its a common its a lot lower

[rain finch]

right

forgot about that

[languid cairn]

they can always play around with the numbers

[rain finch]

^

[lunar kiln]

OH MY GOD THEYRE BEAUTIFUL

[iron flame]

A quick late(ish?) note about the Chaos questions: Chaos is the origin of all things. They have no specific gender.

[tardy cedar]

Do they like pancakes or waffles?

[rain finch]

they removed block revenge interaction :/

[languid cairn]

[atomic forge]

makes sense haha

[rain finch]

shield block build is dead boyz

[icy stone]

20% on epic, and that's after dashing which means the non dash is probably way lower

[tardy cedar]

block revenge should have never worked in the first place

[iron flame]

@tardy cedar A fascinating question! One that really may be up to interpretation. 😄

[icy stone]

It feels like it rewards luck rather than skill, which I feel doesn't fit Artemis at all

[bleak osprey]

personally speaking i love that my first nb rep in hades is the primordial entity that is the origin of all things

[atomic forge]

So uhh new boss or nah?

[tardy cedar]

new boss is artemis being terrible now

[atomic forge]

I read the patch notes but didn't see anything about that

[rain finch]

umm

[atomic forge]

F

[tardy cedar]

time to uh

[lunar kiln]

i luv u https://i.imgur.com/cRVK2U1.jpg

[tardy cedar]

who do we run now

[rain finch]

my ares revenge just crit for 400

damn

[amber canyon]

Athena

Then skull earrings

You try to avoid Artemis, Aphro and Ares

[tardy cedar]

i like ares

sue me

well, actually....

[atomic forge]

ok

I also like Ares with spear and shield toss build

making a few calls now

[amber canyon]

Ooh

[atomic forge]

Shield toss should be better now since I don't have to wait 10 years fighting the Hydra for it to return

[languid cairn]

ares is hot so

[amber canyon]

We get to fight Dusas now

Neat

[lunar kiln]

https://i.imgur.com/e6llCPN.png

[tardy cedar]

nerf roiling soul plz

seems opop

[icy stone]

Maybe hermes should have the crit and other benefits from dashing/moving(he is the God of gambling too) and Artemis will give a non crit damage bonus under certain conditions

[tardy cedar]

chaos is gonna break this game wiiiiiide open

bbl

[atomic forge]

i think its just healing

[languid cairn]

healing is so nice

[atomic forge]

not gaining new

[languid cairn]

when ur bad

((me))

[atomic forge]

since its the same icon as the -2 one

[amber canyon]

Addled Strike is absurd

[languid cairn]

can we get multiple boons from chaos or just one?

[amber canyon]

If its multiplicative

[languid cairn]

yea addles strike is nice as hecc

[rain finch]

http://prntscr.com/m7niw3

we have a victory screen now

that's nice

[languid cairn]

nce!

[rain finch]

also I still think artemis dash is viable on epic

20% chance of 3x damage is still nice

[lunar kiln]

HEART EYES https://i.imgur.com/99yq3m5.jpg

[icy stone]

It makes bow really bad with the dash though

[rain finch]

roughly a 40% damage increase

[dawn lily]

Ooh that art is really good

[rain finch]

at 20%

[languid cairn]

no!! im only good with the bow!!

i cant have it nerfed how else will i not be bad??? getting good??

[rigid fractal]

git gud w/ shild

[rain finch]

artemis dash is still a better pome upgrade than base attack too

[woven lance]

anyone got "you're not dusa" line?

[languid cairn]

is art's cast boons still good?

i havent played in a month or the last patch so i know nothing

[wary bison]

just don't get hit

[twilit garnet]

Lol

[fringe niche]

HOLY, that gorgon miniboss fight is NUTS

i love it

i should not have worried about them making game easier, this is brutal

[thin saddle]

Ooof Artemis is gorgeous

[tardy cedar]

too bad nobody is gonna see her now

[fringe niche]

and this new 0 hit room, spawned 4 shielded crystals on me in supersmall room

wow

of course i failed

[tardy cedar]

what happens if you fail the no-hit room?

[fringe niche]

lower reward i think

[atomic forge]

Hades says lmao

Get done

And you do

[tardy cedar]

i mean like

that's fine ig

[fringe niche]

but damn that gorgon thing with falling rock is awesome

[white river]

Oh :c

me is sad

no more after hydra

[fringe niche]

also, new rooms are fairly good

[white river]

And also, why would they remove the walls on the boss fight

like man

i liked those walls

[tardy cedar]

wait, they removed the walls?

[white river]

yeah

[tardy cedar]

y i k e s

[white river]

and the heals

i beat it

[fringe niche]

really? NICEEEE

[white river]

but oh man

[amber canyon]

Nah, the heals are still there

Theyre just in the top corners

[white river]

where?

what?

lol

[amber canyon]

Yup

[tardy cedar]

also new headcanon: the reason quick temper is gone is because zag went to anger management classes

[fringe niche]

welp, i lost all my defiences on the gorgon fight, and now im paused on murder boat. if i manage to finish this run i cna consider myself god of this game

[white river]

theres a gorgon fight?

[fringe niche]

yes pyre

[white river]

where??

i wanna

[fringe niche]

giant 3k health orb spewing gorgon while rocks fall from ceiling on you all the time

[white river]

that sounds fun

where is it?

[fringe niche]

yep

[white river]

is it a random chamber?

[fringe niche]

it's... first boss i think, i got it before murderboat

[white river]

i just finished a run

and I got meg

and hydra

no gorgon

hmm

[fringe niche]

i got meg, gorgon, murder bota, and now going for hydra

boat*

not sure if it can pop anywhere

[white river]

what do you exacly mean by murder boat btw?

[amber canyon]

Its an area in Asphodel

[fringe niche]

that miniboss room where you are on foating small thign

[white river]

oh yeah

ik what

[lyric vector]

where can you get the new keepsake?

[white river]

yes

[fringe niche]

and 3 waves of enemies come

[amber canyon]

The floating rock that moves over the lava river

[white river]

murder boat

appropiate

[late nacelle]

Do you get anything for using the pact of punishment? Or is it just challenge no gain

[fringe niche]

rewards are kinda lame to be honest

[late nacelle]

It'd be nice to at least get like +10% darkness or something

[fringe niche]

its like, you cant dash but get 1 extra cast ammo after that

for 4 rooms

can't dash for 4 rooms i mean

[white river]

Whats heat for guys?

[rigid fractal]

you can buy yourself penalties from it after you unlock the pact of punishment on your desk

[rain geode]

Ok guys, I just ended my first run

best skill lvl2

I looted 3 centaur hearth and had allmost 300 hp

[white river]

oh cool

[rain geode]

I knoiw that Chaos asked for life but this is too easy

the rework on hydra was not really usefull

the shield drop so fast and the health bar too

but removing the walls was a good idea

can't hide anymore ^^

too bad there is nothing after Hydra, i'll just have to try-hard to improve all the tokens to the max

[fringe niche]

you can deflect hydra arrows now

[eager geyser]

what's heat for?

i mean, you can use it for making things harder... but do you get extra rewards for it?

[amber canyon]

So far it seems the answer is no

[eager geyser]

slightly disappointing if that's the case

[late nacelle]

Some of the chaos boons are so cool, I just found one that gives +80% darkness for the rest of the run but for the next 3 encounters slain enemies throw bombs at you

[digital crag]

Perhaps for achievements eventually

[rain geode]

Chaos boon who up the number of cast may be nice

but yeah the one boosting darkness is the best i found for now, it was +86% for me

[lunar kiln]

my boy achilles is in trouble!!!

[bleak osprey]

....interesting. it seems giving up doesn't guarantee you the same start next time

[late nacelle]

There is one

I found one that gave +3 casts

[rain finch]

http://prntscr.com/m7nzoq

seems like heat is just for bragging rights

no real point

other than challenging yourself I guess

[late nacelle]

Oh well, I was doing mirrorless anyways so now I can make it even harder haha

I just got a chaos boon that after 2 encounters of taking 33% more damage I deal 98% more damage

Seems kinda busted

[rain finch]

so worth though

[late nacelle]

Ye exactly

[rain finch]

I think the idea is

if you are good

its all benefit

but if you mess up

your run is over

[atomic forge]

Anyone know what Chaos' keepsake does yet?

[late nacelle]

Take no damage from blood gates

But increase chance of rares from chaos

So blood gates are kinda like gain a boon gain +6hp with it if you have mirror

[atomic forge]

That's decent

[late nacelle]

1 thing which is a shame, is that I've found that all the resources are still dead resources

Like you can trade it to get the new heat

But once that's maxed

It's another dead resource

[fierce sphinx]

Well yea im sad there is nothing after hydra Q.Q

[crude sable]

Yet

[lunar kiln]

"softly-spoken gentlebeing" https://i.imgur.com/PBXDQ9o.jpg

[rigid fractal]

that settles that XD

[rain finch]

better than gentlething

[late nacelle]

If you deflect the mega gorgons pellets you can petrify it hahaha

Athena got a big ol buff

[lunar kiln]

also who signed my punishment pact

https://i.imgur.com/HgovqH2.png

adns

[full basin]

Dude staring at Chaos for too long is trrriiiiipppyyy

[eager geyser]

eh, hades told me HE put the contract in zagreus room 😝

Zagreus: why would i want to make my toiling MORE painfull?

[rigid fractal]

awg man. beat hydra and because zag was standing in lava immediately died instead of enjoying the aftermath. currently bugged - no invincibility after hydra dies

[eager geyser]

Hades: what do i know, maybe you want to be admired by those mortals up there

XD

[rigid fractal]

and most of all, now i'm deprived of my after-victory dialogue 😦 hypnos' dialogue is the "death by lava" type

the 4th wall is strong with Zag 😉

[eager geyser]

that it is 😄

[atomic forge]

This probably is known but saying it anyway... In Asphodel you can find these towers. They seem to guarantee a small stack of gold. https://i.imgur.com/Ly0wBms.jpg

[eager geyser]

also they changed the locations of the healing food in the hydra chamber... i noticed it only AFTER i killed it!

so close...

[late nacelle]

The new hydra kill screen is really clean looking and helpful

[agile spear]

man i thought their was more levels after the hydra

[late nacelle]

Nahhh

But the heat lets you add some challenge

[eager geyser]

they added a few different types of room before it though

[late nacelle]

Making the whole game basically after hydra levels 😛

[agile spear]

i dont want heat lol

its to hard

[eager geyser]

I'll wait for heat until i've maxed everything else i think

[lyric vector]

you coward or sometthing?

[agile spear]

and on top of that you cant take points back

[lunar kiln]

https://i.imgur.com/4dVsEpU.jpg

befriending my maker

[late nacelle]

Yeahhh I realy like chaos

He giv egg

[acoustic condor]

They

[eager geyser]

he tries to gift!

[lyric vector]

I beat hydra with 2000 darkness limit

[full basin]

They're a really neat design!

[lyric vector]

ik

[acoustic condor]

Nice to get someone canonically nonbinary!

[lyric vector]

I really like the new Artemis

[full basin]

Idk Artemis felt . . weird to me?

[late nacelle]

Yeah same

[full basin]

Like she's cool but something about her design doesn't sit right

[late nacelle]

She doesnt look like how she sounds

[latent yoke]

wait why cant i send screenshots here?

[full basin]

She looks young and kinda uncertain, so that matched up

[rigid fractal]

yeah she sounds more solemn than she looks

[late nacelle]

Also did anyone else get the new achilleas cutscene?!

[full basin]

Que

CUTSCENE

[lunar kiln]

the one where he gets yelled at by hades or

[acoustic condor]

I think she maybe looks a little Celtic?

[lunar kiln]

oh wait cutscene

[late nacelle]

Cutscene*

Sorry talk through

My bad

[rigid fractal]

😮 😮 😮 I was allowed to talk to a character twice for the first time. meg double talked to me. Meggy-chaaan

[full basin]

O

[late nacelle]

https://gyazo.com/e24079d370a04e541ff7fa206026d83b

[lunar kiln]

oh yeah i got that

[full basin]

Aaaaaaa

Brb gona go get me a cutscene

[lunar kiln]

hey can i say something about chaos' design

you will not like me

[late nacelle]

Go on belgo

[acoustic condor]

Always a great start to a conversation lmao

[late nacelle]

Im prepared

[lunar kiln]

why do they have a sharingan in their chest

[acoustic condor]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm you're right I didn't like that at all

[late nacelle]

ANGERY REACTS ONLY

[muted viper]

wow

[iron flame]

I was so worried and then 😄

[lunar kiln]

oh no no i'm joking

[bleak osprey]

ohhhhhh my god new achilles content??? sign me UP

[iron flame]

Genuine critique of any kind is always welcome! But you definitely got me that time. 😄

[acoustic condor]

Do we think the weird babies around their neck are meant to be liiiiiiiiiiike smoke? or is it part of their body

How corporeal is their form at all

[late nacelle]

Max grim inevitability is 100% which I think means no healing at all :0

[fair light]

Yeah the funny thing about the new Achilles content is

[atomic forge]

They don't guarantee it btw, Asphodel towers I mean. I think I was just very very lucky. Sorry. :3

[bleak osprey]

oh no greg's about to make me cry isn't he

[rigid fractal]

it's a quantom body obviously. the skulls are simultaneously new beings originating from chaos and souls returning from Hades after they've been released from their punishment

[fair light]

one of the added conversations was intended for the launch version but wasn't working correctly due to a small data error

[late nacelle]

Greg he better live

[bleak osprey]

[fair light]

anyway it's fixed now...!

[late nacelle]

I found a bug with viewing athena's keepsake btw!

[muted viper]

ominous message

[civic blaze]

"Thank you for... everything"
I love you supergaint

[late nacelle]

It doesn;t show details and i've already feedbacked it

[fair light]

@late nacelle 'Greg he better live' -- uh I have very bad news for you about Achilles 😦

[late nacelle]

Greg dont do this

[fair light]

(referring to the part where he's already dead)

[acoustic condor]

Oh my God I almost forgot to say while yall are here thank you so much for adding the Patroclus references!

[late nacelle]

His heel is in perfect condition

[acoustic condor]

It's nice to see someone finally acknowledge his sexuality