#h1-story-discussion
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Zag wakes up in blood again. “Oh bother,” he said. “Just another day at work.”
https://imgur.com/a/LKwK90w So this is an interesting build. Not exactly great, but the amount of lightning flying around make it almost impossible to see what's going on, so I just dash around reflecting everything for a few seconds. It's fun ahhah
Thank you very much
meg's last conversation 
"oh, he said ahoy there, not hoy. i thought he was an undertale fan" -dino about sisyphus
i just felt the need to share that gem for people who arent watching his stream
Is good stream, learn lots about the mechanics of the game
it is, i try to show up to every stream
i got a new greeting from sisyphus the other night where he was like aren't you a sight! it was cute
he's always so cheerful
it's a nice pick me up when you're having a bad run haha
So many dusas
every time he says something like that im like hehe he likes me
sisyphus listening real hard for zag's footsteps to know which room to stop in gjhggfhjfhj
Here He Is
I Lov You Too Sisyphus
Wait Hades also can't get out of hell?
seems so!
Yup
aren't you a sight! god i love him
you are a sight for sore eyes, prince!
UwU
We Are All Love Sisyphus
we sure are !
I just got a scene with him where he says when he was alive he wasn't such a nice person and that the years down here have humbled him
Such a modest good boy
yeah, i got that too, i'm glad he talked about himself a little haha
he was a tyrant so like, not great, but not the most violent of tyrants either
he murdered guests
it wasn't the murder that offended the gods
it was the guest murder
made zeus angry.
If I've learned one thing from greek mythology, it's that you shouldn't make zeus angry
yeah. zeus is protector of xenia, guest-rights
still there are lots of people in elysium who did a lot more murder, and some objectively worse things, and got off scot free
yeah, I just started reading the Illiad recently, it's interesting how differently morality in general seems to be treated
for sure, for sure
the definition of heroism isn't a strictly moral thing
and "moral" is aligned differently anyways
a lot of it has to do with what pleases or displeases the gods
and i've said it before but, imo the fact that sgg chooses to redeem sisyphus but never even lets us talk to tantalus is a conscious decisions haha
He had soooome time to think lmao
could i have photoshopped this?
yes
did i?
no.
it's. it's almost faster to just mod it in.
My baby ;-;
tbh the end of one of the later convos you have with him is basically this gkfdhgdf
in soup...
So do the Olympian gods know hades cant leave? They seem to suggest he cut himself off but thats not quite true.
well they've sent him letters and such
and clearly the olympians can "call" down to hades so i think hades could "call" up to olympus if he wanted to
but he ignores their letters and doesn't reach out
relatable
Right but being a little bit peeved that you literally can't leave hell seems a justifable. Was just curious if i missed anything.
nah
tbh he seemed more peeved to me that the olympians look down on his work even though it's a) extremely necessary and b) luck of the draw
also that nobody helps him and he's by far the busiest of the gods
Achilles seems to always be gone when i beat the hydra and one time after i lost to the hydra, he said "Go to your room!" Is he low key jealous or resentful towards Zag?
I think he's supposed to be saying that in a way to encourage you to try again
As in, "Go to your room and leave out the window"
lmao yeah hotshot I had the same reaction but then I remembered oh.... right, that’s how we escape
I think Achilles is just resigned to his fate and generally depressed about his regretful life decisions and Patroclus
where is patroclus rn anyway
who knows tbh, as far as I know the only mention of him is Achilles saying “his shade might yet still reside in this realm”
Achilles is sort of avoiding him, or at least not looking for him actively, since he blames himself for his death as far as I can tell
aww 
My bet is that Patroclus is Skelly, personally.
are you trying to ship achilles with skelly
we poppin bottles when skelly is patroclus in the next update
there now it wont happen
You're a hero
I actually want Skelly to secretly be a powerful god
That we've just casually been beating up
Like, Thanatos himself or something
he is Hades’s lackey, put there by him to help groom Zag into a proper ruler of the underworld one day!
Exactly!
what in the insider scoop
I almost think it’s funnier that he’s just a random dude who gets paid to be beat up
Doesnt skelly have a NY accent or something?
"livin the dream, boyo. whats better than this, gettin beat up, AND money? When i was alive, they didnt pay me for it!"
yup
What does he even need the money for
My head-canon is that he is just a brooklyn deli guy who somehow got thrown back in time
I mean, there’s no evidence yet this isn’t modern day
Belgo, I'd rather not ship it, I just like delicious irony.
Well, no
There is
The shades that just arrived in the house of hades are all clearly from ancient greece
Its in the old days, definitely
Just arrived could be a while, tho
and the mcdonalds meals that arrived are all from 2018 
i do think that the house of hades etc is unmoored from (earth) time
you could enter or exit it at any point in history
McDonald’s meals are def modern
As is Skelly’s accent
I think there’s just a large backlog Hades is desperately trying to work his way through
as you walk down the street....just know......anyone could be skelly after they die
I think the fast food drops are just for stylization
Plus, if it was modern times, youd imagine the gods would have cell phones instead of the one-way communication via boon windows
Nah, the gods are old-fashioned
of course theyre for stylization but theyre still "real" to the characters
who needs wifi when you have magic
Plus, stopping Zag would be a lot easier if the wretches had some AK-47s
He says yum when he eats them, so they def exist in universe
Zeus does mention “Hades never answers my calls” tho so ¯_(ツ)_/¯
AAAA TRU
Modern times confirmed
Food exists in the universe, how the food is portrayed to us doesnt neccessarily represent how its portrayed in-universe
That just might be ways to make it easier to joke.
That rules out a lot of possible wars
Oh right! YOU WANT A BIGGER SPOILER?
I dont think its modern times
Has anyone completed the pom of power entry?
I do think Skelly is from the future though
100% modern times
AAAAAAAAAAAAA HDNXNCNCNCKG
... and I just completed Achilles's entry and it hurts.
ANTIOXIDANTS....
Whos to say that they didnt know antioxidants back then
talk to achilles more than like 3 times and you realize everything he says hurts
;_;
oh my god I just woke up sorry is the dusapocalypse spreading
yeah :/
a
dang Achilles
okay just rip out my heart like that I guess
Galaxy brain theory
What, Skelly's an ettin?
achilles is depresses

;;;0;;;
give! him! his boyfriend! back!!
☝ ☝ ☝ ☝
Im guessing Patroclus went into wrestling and became Achilles one true weakness
A heel
ITS FAKE HFNGJG
its fake ven modded it in bc it was faster than Photoshop
(achilles voice) sorry if i sound depressing, lad. It's the depression.
i can hear this sentence
On a slight sidenote
yes that sure is what is written on the pictures
@bleak osprey that emoji gif is amazing and depressing.
Give Zag Stilletos and make the sword special him breakdancing while holding the sword with those stilettos, Raiden style
i have nitro and goddamnit i am gonna Use It
i also put it to good use so that i can 

I try to avoid super flashy emoji gifs for the sake of reducing seizure risk.
owwwww
I would love Zag in heels as a weapon
yeah 😔
Yes please
hows he supposed to dash in heels jcncnvng
Skill
jk itd be so cool
Not as a weapon, have it be baseline
Oh man
idk, they expect women to do that too!
And have him have special animations where he holds all weapons with said heels
Hermes legendary buff
A NEW WEAPON WHERE HE CARRIES HEELS AND STABS PPL W THEM
Shoes with wings except they’re stilettos
Have him draw his bow with his feet
zagonetta
We should be able to spend spare darkness on fabulous new outfits for Zag
Including high heels
like the bayonetta gun boots
zagreus with a gun 
Just wait for them to put in Kratoses blades and watch Zagreus go on a god killing rampage
out of tartaruses loudly
That’s so many runs
Yeaaaah.
Thats a runderstatement
One, bleep you. Two, well done.
but then you remember his full codex entry is on the wiki and you must resist the urge
I will resisttt
I'm chill with knowing.
i've gotta get into the "monthly manga release" rhythm with hades
where i forget it exists and then get surprised when new content comes out
I say that but it's actually impossible cuz I gotta spectate here regardless :')
easy. mod that removes countdown button
Kam we gotta watch the channels tho....cant forget hades exists
Bit behind on chat, but why do people assume the food is McDonald's? Clearly it's a gyro and fries from McCharon's
Charon's a time traveler and he makes modern food at home
AAAAAAA
Clerk: Hello Sir, what do you need?
Charon: GHAAUKKHHHC
Clerk: Three sacks of potatoes, got it
just wait till we get the art and he’s a clown
CURSED
I would be very upset
charon
cha-ron
ron

ron is also a shopkeeper,
final art revealed and charon is just ron
charon, pulling back his hood: ooooouuuurrrggghhh (cough, cough) oooh, ma shemta, foish!
he is Hades’s lackey, put there by him to help groom Zag into a proper ruler of the underworld one day!
is this a new copypasta what did i miss
the he is hades' lackey thing
oh idk
thats the second time i've seen it what have you guys been up to
chair ron
theyre being hades lackeys trying to help groom us to be proper mods of the server
char ron is making me so mad bc its PLAUSIBLE
Ron took the wrong river back to the commonwealth
The image of zag peeking under charons hood and seeing basically two goblins stacked on top of each other is very good
When Zag picks up daedalus hammer and says "I'll earn your favor yet", I wonder what exactly he means
if hades' domain is in renovations, and super giant games is making Hades' domain
is super giant games hades? 🤔
Supergiant Games the Utopian Megacorp of fantasy realms
The year is 2287. Contrary to popular belief, technology is not the leading product of the world's biggest corporations, but fantasy, in its pure, unviolated form
alright I feel like I'm missing something dumb but I need to ask. How do I get behind the counter in the lounge?
dash!
@ashen crown
dw don't feel dumb i got behind the counter accidentally by dashing through it
and then spent a minute trying to get back out 😂
haha, I tried doing the weird roll you do when you don't have a weapon, didn't think to try the dash though 
np!
Skewered meg. Didn't get hit once. And during her lose animation, her VO delivered an amazing "not again" line or something like that. So much disappointment expressed in that line. Made me frown. I'm sorry Meg. I hope I can help change your outlook on the job you dislike, if only a little.
i failed to beat the hydra with what i considered, the strongest builds with my spear (zeus, artemis, aris boons) then went ahead and smashed it twice with a weird aphrodite and a poseidon build.. anyone made the same experience?
I am yet to beat that thing...
The second time the small heads appear seems to be my kriptonite
what did the trick for me is to dash a lot. i mean REALLY a lot. i hardly stand still at all during the fight.. also i think it is better to not tunnel on one small head because there will be a lot of lava stacking there; for me it was easier to run circles and to poke each head a bit with the pointy end of my spear
but could all be wrong and i just got lucky lol
nah dashing alot seems to do the trivk, for me i try to clear out one side, then you get a safe zone
You need to remember that different colored heads have different abilities, for example the green ones spawn skeletons so imho it's better to kill em first
haha i haven't even noticed, that's a great tip. thank you
you can also just destroy the smoking red eggs they spit out before the bloodless spawn from them
ye the little countdowns spawn stuff
is there anyone else who have gotten to the point where dusa gets yelled at by nyx? (think it happens after you've given dusa 6 gifts)
Yup!
yey :D, she seems so sad now though :/
weird question but do you think you'll include an option in the ending to take dusa along with you when you escape? i mean she's way too precious and cute to leave behind, it'd be a crime to abandon her.
I feel like, as a severed head, she might have trouble surviving in the world of the living
i dunno, they could add like an optional quest line (somehow) where you can get her a body and if you do that you can take her along, or maybe they'll do that for all the characters where if you max out the hearts on their codex page you have the option of taking them with you when you escape, but you can only take one character
People really just want the DLC (Dusa Lovable Content)
i'm glad i'm not the only one who believes dusa to be best girl
That's not a question of belief, it is one of fact




Guys does anyone have screenshot with fully upgraded mirror?
is there a cap to the bottom two mirrior upgrades?
yeah, they cap at +50 and +25% increase
it bothers me that you are 17% ind rare and 16% in epic instead of trying to max either of the two first!
hah!
wow i didnt expect those last two mirror upgrades to go that high
I'm assuming they max out at 20%?
50 and 25
J E E Z
yep
Oh wow
@fluid valley thanks
do you guys know if keys will have any further use?
I wish I could do something with all the extras
Not at the moment
there will be at least the new weapons you can already see the sockets of
but for now they are absolutely useless haha
yeah, but the current weps only cost like 7 keys total. i need something more juicy to sink keys into
There have been plenty of suggestions for alternate uses of extra keys/darkness/ambrosia. Feel free to browse the #hades-feedback channel and give a 👍 to any you agree with
thanks
It's also early days, so they could still rebalance the cost of key unlocks as the game is made longer as well
anyone reveal the origin of the name zagreus?
It's from Greek mythology
Zagreus is a kinda obscure figure in Greek mythology comparable to Dionysus
I remember waaay back in this channel there was a whole discussion about it 😆
The son of Zeus and Persephone I think?
Who got killed off and was too pure for this world
i deliberately chose not to check on the greek mythology behind it so i wouldn't know who his mother was
Yeah, depending whose account you're going off of, Greek mythology can be interpreted in a variety of ways
maybe I am Zagreus then? because according to some teenagers across the street, I seem to have a lot of different mothers, all of whom tend to be very overweight
Semele was impregnated with him when zeus gave her Zag’s heart to drink
And Zagreus reborn has Bacchus 😉
dear lord
and i think Supergiant choose this story
several eements show this
and i supposed the end of the game is to defeat hades but you die for that
and Zeus reborn you
ye or you, Meg, Dusa and Skelly make for the world of the mortals and live a happy life on a Greek farm
Don’t leave sisyphus behind ;_;
Sisyphus would never leave Bouldy
Bring Bouldy too!
he could never leave his boulder

Bouldy's nature kind of means that you can't bring it, though
If they all teamed up
I bet they could push Bouldy to the top
Through the power of friendship
or they could attack dusa to bouldy and it would be a way out of proportion snowman without legs
then they'd realise that it made no sense whatsoever and undo it
Playing hades makes me want gyros
Spicy take: a reformed man, Sisy learns he doesn't need Boudy any more and joins you in leaving the underworld. Bittersweet and compelling character development. A meaningful romance. Impeccably gay
They are so good ;.;
Mmmmm, gyros
Bouldy deserves happiness
you need that gyros and chips from that dodgy Italian restaurant down the street for maximum immersion
go Meg-reus!
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/428532172459343884/527251942347505706/Hades_Cutscene_Nobody.jpg
This is probably my favourite "starting cutscene" in the game so far, because of the implications Hades himself is trapped and tried (and failed) to escape.
well hades maybe you should try standing somewhere else when the lout punches you
............we need a hypnos emote actually
I love that cutscene. It really punches you in the gut
uh. i didn't get that one yet
it's in the myth: zeus and poseidon trick hades with the "great vast world "
i got one where hades said shut that foolish mouth of yours or i shall shutit for you and i just kind of silently stared at my screen for a little after that
like. oof.
;^;
Mitski is the voice of the fate weavers
ok unpopular opinion i guess lol, but i don't think meg is tsundere, she's just, like, understandably bitter and stressed and angry with zag in addition to presumably having fond memories of him as well
she's conflicted and upset, that's not. tsundere, really
like that first dialogue comes off that way kind of but it's a disservice to her character to flatten her like that
Thank you ven
She thought they were siblings but now that’s all a lie and she has to either kill him or be killed over and over
I’d be conflicted and upset
Medusa woke af
Prediction: Apollo is going to be like Tom Haverford from Parks & Rec
howcome they decided to make hydra's homing arrows, the most annoying projectile, the one that can't be stopped
Shield can block em. Just can't reflect em. I wonder if that color-usage will be associated with future rooms for more irreflectable projectiles.
i've been watching wanderbots' lp of hades and while he hasn't...yet...realized that giving ambrosia after the first unlocks more dialogue eventually, what's really wild is that when i played the first time i was like "oh neat achilles is here! luv that mythological figure"
and now every time he opens his mouth i'm like oh. oh he's profoundly sad. how did i miss that the first time.
zag: artemis called and said she's a real fan of yours! you're the best.
achilles: oh...that's cool but she remembers me as i was, i'm all washed up now. :^)
my first thought was "oh no cute boy" followed immediately by "oh a DEPRESSED cute boy"
cant wait for artemis to physically manifest in hades and ask for achilles autograph
i live solely for achilles's content
i need him and artemis to meet so bad
zag, dragging achilles out of hades: WHERES MY COUSIN
depressing achilles lines, on a scale from "i'm all washed up" to solo drinking to "i wouldn't forgive me if i were him" to "i am unmade, unwhole", how's YOUR depression today
;-;
achilles is sad boi, hypnos is funny boi, hades is big boi, meg is bird girl, dusa is best girl
im sitting at about a "go to your room, lad"
valid
petition to make "sorry if i sound depressed, lad. its the depression." canon
📝
we need to throw achilles an appreciation party. i refuse to believe he is not beloved in the palace
how can you look at this human version of a sad golden retriever and NOT love him
give achilles his boyfriend back
i mean i modded it into the game so all we need is voice acting for it
i would say he's undoubtedly well-liked but with the caveat of "by the staff"
considering how many people he, you know
slaughtered
sh sh sh
there need to be side quests in the game where you throw achilles a party, make cerberus into an even better dogo, and go on a dating sim style date with dusa
i don't think he has many friends among the shades
he alienated a lot of his comrades in the trojan war too
by being prideful
but obviously zag appreciates him a lot, and i think it's safe to say most of the other staff would as well, but he undoubtedly can't or doesn't see it that way
a shade yells at achilles and everyone is IMMEDIATELY pvp enabled
Y EAH
asdfghjkk
hades himself is like "boi just cause u in hades doesnt mean i cant kill you again"
tho achilles would want to hear it bc he'd think he deserves it
it's the depression, lad
its up to us to be a good LAD
hades does your palace employment cover anti depressants
also has darren ever voice acted in previous games? hes doing a lot here but i cant seem to remember if he has before.....
Achilles has nam-style flashbacks to the war
he was tariq
in pyre
i think he may have voiced zulf too but don't quote me on that, i don't know anything about bastion
ok he voiced rukey, tariq aaaand...udmildhe? in pyre lol
me, hasnt played pyre in a while: ah yes.... udmildhe...... my favourite??
tariq was his big role gkdjfgd i was honestly expecting him to voice orpheus too and then when it was michael i was surprised
Darren was Zulf but Zulf never spoke any lines
Also I think _____'s singing voice in trna?
is darren just perfect at everythign
yeah he was mr. nobody's singing voice in paper boats; mufti was asking about va tho
OHHHH i thought that might have been him in that song, but i wasnt sure....
yeah when i found out he voice acted i was like ??? WHAT?????
he writes he sings he voice acts whats next?? hes on the ART TEAM TOO
hes really good at it too like damn what doesnt this guy do

i just want to make it to olympus and go hunting with artemis and the two of us act snarky to all the other gods
i love my dorky huntress who doesnt really know how to people
I wonder what her twin will be like - am thinking Apollo might have healing-type boons
There are some notes on Apollo's personality in the game files
If anyone is interested, DM me since mods don't want datamined stuff in this server
👍
Apollo, Hephaestus, Hermes, Demeter, and Dionysus are the remainder that I suspect will definitely make an appearance. Would like to see some of the other gods, though. I'd love to see Hestia and Hekate - as that would give us the four main virgin goddesses (and really, it would be awesome to see some cool synergies between the boons of those four).
Synergistic boons would be amazing, especially as the gods already bring up something about the other gods you've got that run
I also wonder if they are using the Trojan War as a means to decide which gods/goddesses like/dislike each other.
I'm not too sure, weren't Aphrodite and Poseidon on the same side but I'm pretty sure I've seen dialogue of them not getting along
Actually dw, idek i've seen a lot of conflicting opinions online
aphrodite and artemis definitely hate each other, if that helps
I feel like that's their personalities haha
the trojan war was gods know how many years in the past from this timeline, and the gods always find new things to fight about so imo while it might make sense to have some bad blood over troy, it's far from the biggest or only conflict the gods have had and it wouldn't make sense to base all their relationships on that
I feel like for synergies sake, it might also work if the gods don't get along
Like they're competing to see who can do better
I still think this is taking place in modern times
I think it's just "after" the greek mythology so any1 dead is dead and no1 new is there unless they decide to do cross game refrences
Zag’s true desire is to get an iPhone but Hades is being all old fashioned and said no
But daaaad this is the newest model and its totally worse than the previous one
No boi!
You are not my father! cries outside of house of hades
zag has a flip phone and he hates it
okay but having a flip phone means he can clack it shut whenever he hangs up on his dad
and if its a nokia even the depths of tartarus couldnt manage to break it
zag gets an iPhone and still folds it in half when he hangs up on hades
cronch
"oops"
Needs the new iPhold
FBLKJFSDGBLJFSKGHSH
that one video of a guy folding his toy phone like he's done with everything
that's zag
finally beat the hydra without broken/bugged upgrades and boons 💪
just by playing carefully and well
wait what counts as broken/bugged stuff?
👏 🙌 ❗
Yeah, beat Hydra for the first time myself earlier today - felt so good X3
Thought it was because of Athena's legendary boon... which certainly helped!
But then the very next run I did it with a completely different weapon and boon set XD
life drinker counts as broken
sweet surrender counted as bugged (was applying twice the amount damage it should have)
both of those have been fixed or removed so i had to beat the game with my Skill instead of brute forcing it and exploiting bugs lol
this was a pretty powerful loadout though
Life drinker was def ridic
I thought it sucked tbh
I hadn’t even beat Meg, then I got life drinker and completed my first run
It wasnt very good in boss fights, and normal rooms are a cakewalk as is
It was weird, now that I think about it
In the first run I beat the Hydra with, I got Athena's legendary boon
In the second, I got Aphrodite's AND Artemis' legendary boon... not sure how I got that lucky XD
I’ve only ever gotten one legendary boon ;_; The Zeus one
...Yeah I didn't notice if it did, either
If it did, I killed the converted enemy too
If it isnt bugged, its definitely not visible enough
Flip phones are coming back! There's one company that's planning on coming out with one (can't remember which company at the moment, tho)
artemis is the worlds first incel change my mind
I don't think it's exactly "involuntary"
Given that in mythology she proxy-murdered people who tried to sleep with her in ironic ways
Pretty sure it’s very voluntary
Yeah
wouldn't she be asexual rather than an incel? 🤔
Voluntary celibacy doesn't necessarily mean asexuality either though, though, perhaps.
I feel like trying to give a big ol' ancient god a label is an exercise in futility
Especially with dionysus just boning the entire universe somewhere off screen
its not entirely voluntary
there was that guy her brother killed
and she plead zues to put him in the stars
it was only after that she asked to be made one of the virgin goddesses
As futile as labeling any fictional character I suppose 🤷
Thats why she so good at huntin
Got to get good enough to hunt that star booty thanks to her dumb ass brother
Maybe we could avoid reducing Artemis to solely existing to "hunt booty?" or as an incel? There is far more to life than sex.
Yeah let's uhhh not, on this whole discussion
Discord died on me or I would've been on this sooner but.
Hey look, a topic change!
What's everyone looking forward to in the upcoming update?
more sprites 🙌 ❗
seconded sprites
more heart convos! maybe another flashback!!
I'm waiting for an Obol sprite so I can give people an Obol for good comments 😃
tbh when sgg gets back i wana suggest obol coin emote to them
Yes!!
ohohohoho new weaponssss
give! sisyphus! a! sprite!
i'm hoping maybe they'll lengthen and/or balance existing stages too
It would be cool if there was a way to lengthen your run through a stage if you wanted to try and get more boons/health, etc. Maybe they could code that in - add in more two-choice rooms that deliberately let you decide to postpone getting to Meg (or the Hydra, or whatever) longer.
is it too early to hope for another floor?
i feel like it may be too early for a whole nother area, yeah 🤔
but they may change the structure of what they have
Probably depends on how many areas they plan to have total
imagine. blood gate update where it puts you right in front of a boss but with half health
after the update everything seems the same until you die
then you get home and hades just throws his desk and says LETS GO SON THROW EM UP
There's also the idea that if there's enough content to an idea they might consider full DLC at some point?
AND IT TURNS INTO A FIGHTING GAME
I personally would like to see daedalus hammers drop sooner, The can define a run so much by changing the way your weapon works and i always have my best runs when i boon around my weapons upgrade
Wait what’s this I’m hearing about a second flashback?
Is there a second flashback?
zag: supergiants asleep go to bed a second time
"so you are looking for your cousin?"
"no .. my mother"
"yeah .. yeah you are"
I really like the way they referenced Judgement of Paris from the Troy myth
You don't think they will add a new act/floor? My guess is a new weapon and a new floor and if fancy enough a new god also. I'm not sure if this is too much work for 40 days tho. I just hope for that.
I imagine at least some is being held in reserve
my guess for a new god would be hermes. would give some obvious choices for upgrades like more movement speed which would be nice, or more attack speed for weapons, maybe even granting wind based effects somehow.
I think they'll be adding around 3 new gods
pretty sure if they add a new weapon it's gonna be ranged, bow right now is the only pure ranged weapon we have so far
I'm really hoping for a grimoire weapon
It works with the lore and I really like the idea of it
They might also add a melee only weapon, as the sword is the only melee only
spear?
true true
honestly i think the sword is the worst weapon in the game right now, being only close ranged puts you in a really dangerous spot for alot of situations
Hahaha, it's really cool that a game is made so that theres no overwhelming weapon
I really dislike the normal hit
really?
yes
well yeah, the special becomes bad in really large open rooms
what about bow?
I like bow
but i find if you get posiden upgrade on your attack, ares upgrade on your special, the sheild just tears stuff up
there's auto fire?
i see
I like the spear most
spear is good yeh
I just spam normal
OH
yes
let dusa tag along with you as you escape
I'm surprised that they didn't add some sort of paralysis in the Daedalus for aegis
you point her at enemeys as a ray or something and it hurts them and turns them to stone
it's perfect!
and gives a reason why they can be together!
do you guys have any advice how to beat hydra?
well i saw this one video where a guy did a crit dash build with spear to kill it
When the hydra head moves to the middle of the arena (its resting spot) hide
i haven't killed hydra yet myself tho
Those arrows that stunlock are annoying af
I got hydra to quarter of health
It might not seem like much, but the amount of times I've beaten hydra on like 4 health is too many haha
i havent noticed the pots for the longest time
and then I got hit by the thingi
i thought hitting the pillars gave health lol
but theyre like skulls with shiny gemstone eyes
ay mod-dusa, should supergiant add Dusa as the next weapon in the game?
@frozen jolt can you add to the hades channels? I think a poll channel would be cool maybe?
hmm, i think the one that gives 130 percent damage to distant foes if you're running certain builds
i cant do that, sorry!
that or the buffs that give you affinity with your favorite god
poll channel though? how do you mean
Idk if discord has polls
But people set up a question, with answers
And others vote on it
For example chiar asked about the fave keepsake
So people would vote for their fave keepsake
and i'm pushing for dusa to be an unlockable weapon
also dusa is duty bound to cleaning the house, not cleaning up wretches, but i do think having the hammer make enemies freeze occasionally with the shield is a cool idea
Thanks for reporting a game freeze! The most common solution to this issue can be found in #hades-tech-fixes-old
oh proxy
oh come on, you know they could work around that, dusa is precious and she needs to help zag escape
Cease trying to put her in danger
also if the ending of the game does not let you take dusa along with you, someone is going out the window. be like if in Pyre if they didn't let you take sandra along with you.
what if in the ending, you have an option to take someone along with you? and it can be any of the characters in the main hub?
that way it encourages replaying for the ending to see the different results?
i'm odd balling here
So are you saying
That after the ending
They get teleported back to the house of hades
Even though you just brought them along with you?
SGG kinda put themselves in a predicament by adding lore to a roguelite haha
well it's a rouge lite, there has to be a reason for why you can still do runs in the game after you've beaten it storywise, or maybe it can warp you to before you actually beat time wise so it doesn't clash with things
like what i'm thinking is that in the ending they go "oh also just take someone with you for some reason" and the ending changes depending on who you take, that'd honestly be kinda sweet
true
And then have to fight olympus
(which imo would be really cool)
Or perhaps it ends with you getting out of hell
oh man, that'd be awesome
oh what if when you get out of the underworld, you get a new hub and have to fight towards olympus for what ever reason, and the peopel you are getting blessings from are everyone back from the underworld hub, including hades!
AND DUSA GIVES YOU BUFFS
altough what would they involve....
something with slowing eneimes or giving more stun time?
speed?
The only problem with that, is that they'd effectively have to make '12' other god boons
And also it kinda goes against rogue like traditions
But also it's their game so they can do it how they like
maybe they could make the boons you already have, coraspond with other characters from the underworld
like, artimis boon also works with dusa
I don't think they could do that, just because it'd feel offplace having achillies per se give you zues lightning or w/e
Idk
true
As you said before though, I would love hades boons
you get the powers of grumpy dad
pretty obvious he'll be the final boss, also if he is it'll be really funny to see the dioaloge you get when you lose to him and talk to him and the other people around the hub and see their reactions
Final boss........ of the underworld 😉
we can dream
Gimme dat olympian boss rush
just like how i can dream that dusa and zag otp will be cannon.....
what if in the end, someone in the staff betrays you?
Achillies would hurt me if he betrayed
hmmm, my money would be on either nyx or hypnos.
Hypnos doesnt care enough to lol
altough if i have to be honest, dusa would make for a really great and surprising twist
Nyx seems the least happy at hades, but idk if that's just her character
no seriously, dusa betraying you would actually be a great twist
no one would see it coming
yeah exactly
what about stuff messes with your movement?
like a tar pit trap that reduces your movement speed and prevents you from dashing
yas
I'm pretty sure I've seen a swinging axe drawn up as an aesthetic
That'd be a pretty cool trap
wat? where did you find that?
Not find, I might be wrong
But when I was watching the dev hell documentary I might've seen it?
I'll have a look
can you beat hydra with no boons
playing the game with no boons sounds unfun to be honest, would make for a good challenge mode tho
Someone is trying to beat the hydra first playthrough of a new save
So no mirror upgrades
And with the sword
I'm pretty sure it's impossible to get to the hydra without boons due to you being made to take one at some point maybe
yeah pretty sure you have to take one at some point
well
also just off topic but i really love the introduction to the game
what IF
SGG always adds restriction challenges to their games
doesn't explain anything, don't what's going on, you just keep going till you die and then you find out what's happening
I reckon Hades will have something like that
was really cool
i don't agree that hades will be the final boss. he once said that he's been trying to get out of the underworld himself so it would be unrealistic if he was guarding the exit to the mortal world
by the way, did anyone use aphrodite's legendary yet? when I did I could not tell if it worked at all as I had no idea whatsoever whom I charmed and who was just randomly jumping around
I've had it once, but I can't tell if I was unlucky and it never worked or what
I got it quite late game
same here that's why i didn't put it in feedback
I'll try running some Aphro builds later to get it and let you know if I find out!
thanks mate! good luck!
what's the biggest single damage number you have seen? i just hit a skelebomber for 1,308 damage (clean kill, crippling blow, lvl 2 hunter dash, lvl 4 tempest strike, world splitter, skull earring) - disgusting
aphro's legendary is weird
1600 on a spear spin crit with extra armor dmg
dear lord.. and i thought this build was OP - i was twohitting the hydra's heads
That was with op dite
around 800
oof op dite was the good ol days
back when every run id go dite and hunter dash no questions asked
god i miss op dite
dite was op? i'm not familiar with past verisons of the game, how was dite op?
One of the highest attack mods in the game, as well as sweet surrender, which increased your attack dmg without talking your attack boon slot
Same reason hunters dash is broken, you get to stack buffs without taking up a dmg boon slot
If they do add more traps, hopefully they would add boons that would use the traps to our advantage or just give us resistance or immunities to certain ones. Would have been cool if Achilles would have given us his resistance and weakness as an arrogant some how, in that way only traps could damage us, and make it so we get one shotted from a spike trap
Would be op tho for long range people who don’t move
Dear gods, please no more traps! I am awful at avoiding them already! LOL
Those wall arrows are actually pretty good against enemies. I hardly ever get shot by them but foes like to step on them a lot.
100 dmg too
finally killed that hydra yay i beat the current version
my boons consisted of the defense from athena, the cast and revenge lightning from zeus, and numerous artemis critical based things
i had a 102% chance to do 170% more damage, and i had triple shot
@fickle garden The introduction and story of the game are styled after Homer's Illiad or Odyssey. They start with a single idea that tells the whole story; for Hades it's "Escape", for Illiad it's Rage. They start in the middle of the story with details from the true beginning of the story revealed as you progress. I'm interested to see how pronounced other elements become as the story develops more.
@devout token the name Zagreus is ascribed to 3 different fellows - the son of Hades and Persephone, the highest lord of all underworld and husband of Gaia, and an equivalent of Dionisus in the Orphic tradition.
In ancient Greek religion and mythology, Zagreus (Greek: Ζαγρεύς) was sometimes identified with a god worshipped by the followers of Orphism, the “first Dionysus”, a son of Zeus and Persephone, who was dismembered by the Titans and reborn. However, in the earliest ...
From everything I've read
It's Zeus in that article though
I mean I'm sure Supergiant is taking some creative liberties regarding the mythology already
Both are in there.
But everythign ive read has also said hades
The biggest creative liberty I noticed is Ares's mightily rad sidecut. 
Zagreus seems to be a mysterious character in greek mythology
AND YE
Im so glad they redid ares art
I mean, the previous one was obviously placeholder.
I wish if i upgraded my sword with the ares boon it'd look like his
LOL
i just bought atena boon from charon, got option to get 500 obols XD
so plus 300 ;d
well since it was just before hydra it didn't help me
just got additional ambrosia and darkness
lol
I also used aphrodite's legendary today and had no idea if it ever went off (i'm color blind, so I may have missed something)
Im not colourblind, and I didnt see it either, so its not just you
I haven't seen a legendnary boon yet
I think they have prerequisites
Aphros legendary has a very small color difference and the circle moves slightly differently when it procs, the most obvious interaction is the affected mob doesn’t attack you. It’s pretty easy to miss tbh
i feel like the hydra fight is around 40% just standing behind the cover, and hoping that no missile goes randomly through it
tip for the missiles (when fighting the main head): stand close to the head, the missiles will all face your position at the point of cast - so the closer you are the easier it is for you to dodge them all by just dashing sideways
That head slam that hits through the wall 🙃
You can control whether his shots will hit you behind cover, and you can also dodge if they are going to wrap around
lol
Really i find the hydra fight well though out
You really should always be doing something
final set of heads seems a bit much to me, like I kind of have to power through with high dps and stockpilied hp until I've killed one or two at least. But that might just be more room for improvement for me
otherwise I think it's solid
yeah the fight's great until the end where it has more visual effects than Beat Hazard on dubstep
I definitely keep losing my character a bit on the final phase
as in visually
I also die but w/e
^
I always try to grab Athena dash to make this strat viable
First time when i killed hydra i was like "wow" after that i killed her like 10 times in a row
no more wow
I’m still just at 4, not having much luck with shield or bow
try the spear mate!
Yeah, spear is 2 of them 😛
And sword is the other 2
But I can’t seem to win with shield or bow
Any tips for beating Megara?
@modern loom scroll up a bit in gameplay
@idle peak so stop playing and wait for full release :v
Okay I seriously don't get how to approach the final boss
the flurry of homing missiles is just crazy
Don't stand in the middle.
Consider blinking behind the array of projectiles as well! Utilize cover, and clear space for yourself.
its current state.. The fact how it is right now
You'll find your way through. It takes practice! Even the follow up spread of the missiles can be kited with a few dash dances around.
"When you've spent thirty years entering rooms filled with strangers you feel less pressure than when you've had only half that number of years of experience. You know what the room and the people in it probably hold for you and you go looking for it. If it's not there, you sense it earlier and leave to go about your business. You just know more about what is, what isn't, and how little time there is to learn the difference."
- Dan Simmons, Hyperion
Pretty apt description of rogue games in general.
lol
Yay, Hydra down!

admittedly a bit of a cheeky boon set up so it didn't feel fully earned but hey ho
Congrats!
My arrows were just a ticking time bomb death machine 😂
I was kinda annoyed with myself in hindsight because I got the hammer super early on, and I picked the 'higher damage, slower charge time' option
If I'd picked the 'attack splits into 3' option I'd have cheesed it SO hard
I kinda wish there was a mode that let you pick and choose boons, to get the perfect combo to try 
Hell yeah, now just super eager for more
I think that's in the feedback somewhere, if you want to find it and give a 👍
I really love instant-charge combined with Ares boon, just tag things every second or so, the regular bow damage doesnt even matter
I’ve never gotten a second one at least

is it me or enemies are super tanky in this game
They get pretty tanky later in the game unless you have a good build
Also the sword has a long ttk
Sword and sheild prolly the longest ttks rn
ares + bow is pretty good huh
Yeah the delayed damage is really nice with the piercing
Probably works best on bow/spear
yeah, but bow + spread + ares really make crowd control so easy
just finished a run ignoring all the other boons and going for that ares tag
160+ damage with spread bow is disgusting
also gotta love how they kinda broke the fourth wall but didn't with hades' post hydra convo
I had Ares tag 120 damage & +100% after each bounce for the shield, I just rekt things
my prediction for the next weapon is that it will stright up be a gun, and everyone but zag keeps questioning just what it is and why it's in the underworld.
"A mortal weapon, you say? Well, it's not like I've never wanted one..."
lol
Is there a way we can approximately know what era this is on the surface ? Don't think there're hints (in case sgg wanna play with us)
imagine if the transistor blade made it as one of the weapons
I would love if the aesthetics of our weapons could change
Such as getting a Poseidon boon on spear makes it a trident
Or ares sword (idk the name but ik it's his symbol)
that would feel really weird, especially if you ran like one poseidon and three artemis boons.. also the trident would only really work for poseidon and the spear, not for any of the other gods
Well rather than a trident I was thinking each boon had a different look
also each weapon with each boon
But also I appreciate it'd be too much work
I was just saying it'd be cool
what i'm saying is that each god has his favorite weapon (artemis the bow, poseidon the trident) and that it would look weird to have weapon themed for a god that does not even wield it
Idk, I think it'd look pretty cool. They already have the trail designed after the boon, why not slight stylistic changes to the weapon
I’m pretty convinced this is modern day- charon’s food, Skelly’s accent, and the gods complaining Hades never calls
tbf i doubt their accents are supposed to be 1-to-1 representations of what these greek deities and spirits sound like lol
NO IT’S DEFINITELY WHAT THEY SOUND LIKE
call each other mate
Quick question how much % can we have for rare & epic with the mirror?
I tried with all the darkness I had but I could go only to +20% with rare
+50 on rares, +25 on epic (same total darkness on both)
Okay thanks 😃
Thereabouts!
I'm at +50 on rare and +10 on epic atm
I just went all in on epics
Same
Second hydra run success 😄
this time with spear
Think I'm going to put the game on hold now till the big update drop in a couple weeks
Wooo nicely done
if they added in the transistor blade as a bonus for compelting everything or as an end game reward, that'd be awesome
transistor skin for the sword, breaker bow skin for the sword, brusher pike skin for the spear, and maybe a pyre reference for the shield IDK
myabe if they add a ball or sphere sort of weapon they could add in the orb from pyre
it seems like the general consensus is the hydra fight is way overtuned, but I think it's intentional due to lack of any further content atm
gonna be fun in a year to tell all the whippersnappers how tough OG hydra was
almost definitely
it feels final boss-y but without the enormous amount of loot you would collect before the actual final boss
yeah especially the final time multiple hydra heads spawn, it feels just next level difficult and near-impossible to avoid taking tons of damage when you first encounter it
but it does unfortunately feel very anti-climactic atm
would appreciate if they just kept mob difficulty but returned you to room 1
I feel like it would be easier to handle without the bloodless spawns and the devastating hit stun on his homing bolts
near impossible first time you face it is pretty fair I think
even when the games complete it's probably not going to be that long to do a full clear, it should take some attempts and improvement to get past the 2nd main boss
I think the frustrating part, which is inherent to all roguelikes, is you need to learn its attacks and patterns, but the only way to do that is to fight it repeatedly, which is doing it all over again
I agree that the final heads phase is a bit out of control, but otherwise I think the fights in a great place
yeah, a lot of it is just the nature of the game
Diagnosis: Git Gud
not my words 
it's like cuphead, which was frustrating in the same way, in that you struggle to the 3rd stage of the boss and then it hits you with a nuke attack and you need to start all over, but there's a run-up of 20 minutes before you can try again
and I'm not saying it should change!
but I understand where the feeling is coming from
yeah
all there really is to do is mess around with weapon/boon combos and keep throwing your head against the wall until it starts to crack
I do like the length of the game though and wouldn't want them to shorten it
for myself the difficulty and the fact that serious improvement is required is a big draw. The fact that I can go from not being able to pass the bloodless miniboss in tartarus to where I'm at now is super satisfying
I wouldn't say the Hydra is overtuned, it's just overwhelming the first couple times you come up against it, just like Meg can be
I think Meg is almost too easy though
I prolly only feel that way when comparing her to the hydra as a zone finisher
She's a good balance of a lot going on, but relatively easy to digest what you need to do
I mean, she's the first boss
yeah, I think megs in a good spot as well
she still kicks my arse from time to time but it's usually because I got greedy for damage
treat the fight more like a dance and you'll start finding a ton of openings
i'd find hydra easier if i could see myself 😂
most of the time i end up accidentally dashing into lava bc i lost track of where i was
That red cursor on red background trips me up sometimes, thankfully hasn't ended a run so I hear you sven :)
not sure if I missed something but is it possible to go through the doors at the left side of the House of Hades?
Or is that just a tease for possible future content
probly future content
Why does Meg only have one wing?
I've never looked into it, but I assume they're taking that design from Greek mythology
Or it's just a design choice on SGG's part ¯_(ツ)_/¯
Is there a bathroom in Hades? Or do they just go into the blood river?
Do dead people need to use bathrooms? 
do they need to?
I think they choose to, but don't need to
lol
there might be something about it in pom's codex page
because it grants eternal life (or close enough to it), most myths describe it as being forbidden to everyone but the gods
everyone you can give it to is already a divine being so it's fine, but if a mortal gets their hands on it they can cause no end of trouble
At the start of a run, Hades said something along the lines of "No one gets out, boy. Dead or Alive. You think I haven't tried?" I guess Hades is actually stuck there too and that's why he's buttblasted with the other gods. 
There's definitely some resentment and history there
And aaaaaall those locked hearts that no doubt talk about it 
Just gotta get to that therapy breakthrough
get him drunk on enough ambrosia and maybe he'll start talking
I'm curious how closely it'll follow commonly accepted Greek mythology.
I was the opposite of surprised when Persephone turned out to be the real mom lol
As I recall it stems from the division of realms between Zeus, Poseidon, and Hades, and how the other two tricked Hades into taking the Underworld
Didn't they just draw lots?
Eh, I am more than likely mistaken. My Greek mythology is rusty at best
he was generally displeased with the result and some versions of the myth say he was cheated but yes they drew lots
I'm super excited to see the other gods in that crispy SGG art. Looking forward to Artemis' finished art and my boy Hermes
Did anyone buy Aphrodite room decoration so far ?
Yep i know that but i dont have luck with shop been hunting it for 2h
Can someone post pic of it ?
it's just a poster above the water pot
it actually feels underwhelming for the effort needed to get it
The dialogue between Zag and Meg makes me think they used to be a couple
I hope they weren’t
They thought they were siblings until a couple of days ago
I know it’s Greek mythology and all and that stuff is normal >.> But still ew
There is that bit of dialogue from Hades about Zag needing to grow up and how Meg will "help" with that
Which struck me as an arranged partnership but could also have been some kind of...training or punishment I guess
Either way it was gross
As stated above - it's greek mythology. Everyone's related 😄
yup lol
I meant more Hades' comment was gross than the concept...that was one of the more 😬 remembrances I've gotten
unraveled: rememberences ranked by grossocity
Meg is too tall for Zag... she can do better
Is Meg related to anyone?
She has blue skin
She’s Nyx’s daughter I think
Yeah I think so, you overhear in a conversation between them


