#h1-story-discussion
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Greek cults, fandom wars
So what are the gifts for the bottle thing you get, i collected all the collectibles but then what's the uses for it?
Typical tuesday
Yeah, the zeus persephone link is just the most common
Giving it to npcs
would be cool to see jason too
The Zagreus from the Euripides fragment is suggestive of Dionysus, the wine god son of Zeus and Semele,[12] and in fact, although it seems not to occur anywhere in Orphic sources, the name “Zagreus” is elsewhere identified with an Orphic Dionysus, who had a very different tradition from the standard one.[13] This Dionysus was a son of Zeus and Persephone who was, as an infant, attacked and dismembered by the Titans, but later reborn as the son of Zeus and Semele.
of the argonauts I mean of course lol
@plucky ridge give them to npcs to see extra scenes
The earliest has him linked to Gaia and has him as the highest being in the underworld
Ah okay
I am kinda interested in the whole reborn link
Also what are those 2 locked rooms?
One is Hades' Room
Your fathers room
my guess would be other mechanics
other things that can be done or something later implemented
I know its basically his stuff as a dionysus alpha version but hmmmm
Future content is likely
definitely future content
Like the story flashback
Nice going narrator
So what are the other Furies up to?
I got a scene wheee i rest and went spying hhaha
they've been hinting at no one knowing
so surely they're cooking something up for them
I thought Meg knew something, since she is picking up all the slack
kronosss?
Ya, apparently the 2 other furries are om the surface joining some war
Narrator is just some old dead guy
ohhhh homer would make sense
haha
Homer would be pretty good
and yeah true
thatd be fun
Homer would be a great twist lol
Dude's just hanging out in the underworld
Narrating people's lives
And would make sense for why he knows so much
Wouldn't Chronos be locked up with the Titans? I honestly can't remember but I think he was a titan
yeah he is papa titan
lol papa titan
Chronos and Kronus are different
who are in tartarus actually I think
Kronus is the titan
in the basement
Chronos means time in Greek
One is Time, one is Harvest
nah its just different spellings lol
Chronos is the personification of time
Erebus?
(thats why that game is called Chrono Trigger)
like hades, tartarus etc
Well harvest my clock and call me dad, its that time again
They aren't interchanged
Nyx's husband?
Erebus?
There's variations on the spellings, but a time is always with a C and the titan is always with a K
What do you guys think of the titans making an appearance?
id be for it
Probably going to happen
they're cool
I wonder how they would represent them though
Might be the idols, scaling the challenge
Atleast the hundred handed are down there
will we fight a giant foot, binding of isaac style?
Yay killing great-grandpa
oh cronus and Chronos you mean
as in both can be spelt with a k or c but ch is time dad
time papa
Oh right, the H is the distinction
as a greek person, that englified version makes no sense
yeah tartarus is where all the cool giant monsters are
and lol
fair enough
Kron(o/u)s (titan) and Chronos (god of time) are not interchangeable, but have often been mixed up or combined, often due to translation problems/inaccuracies)
yeah we just establsihed that lol
What else is supposed to be in the underworld monster wise?
we could see pandora too perhaps
if underworld is falling apart like it is there's a huge problem with possible titans
oooo pandora sounds super supergiant
reemergeing
and umm, nothing roaming really
Pandora in Chaos
its been so many years since i played bastion
same lol
Time to go replay it
Yup
I was thinking about doing a marathon of all three games that preceded this
a lot of the cool greek monsters are sort of on the surface where they can ruin peoples days though, so idk
^
Also
You are right, them reemerging could be a serious threat
since they already took out cerberus as a friend
There's a lot of stuff at the gates of the underworld
Mostly all the stuff that's a cause of death
Specifically the Hydra Herakles killed
Like old age and what not
Typhon itself?
lmao
Geriatros, personification of old age?
that would be a bit beyond our paygrade i think
typhon is supposedly in tartarus though
underneath that volcano or something I think
Typhon would be cool fighting the father of most of the notable monsters in the greek world
i wanna fight the dum cyclops odysseus blinded
the descriptions of him are totally crazy
and all the old pictures people tried to draw of him are woefully understated haha
I want to pick up eurydice and patroclus and place then horizontally before their respective people
I would rather the hundred handed giants over the cyclops as titans to fight
Maybe certain gifts to unlock all the hearts, from the loved ones?
and have to make the choice to rip a run to bring them back
or keep going and hope you find them another time
like in fallout new vegas where I couldn't take Christine with me back to the wasteland to see Veronica it was heartbreakinh
...Don't remind me
hes going a great job
maybe we will have cow levels
Well he's gotta keep them close to guard them
there is none
The three judges might be a boss?
Yeah
Or the lack of them could be part of the reason hades has so much work on his hands
three judges could be cool
O&S
the other two furies could be our O&S
LOL
Well sleep time for me, have fun all
night, im heading to there too
imagine teaming up with meg tho, if you max out her conversation/friend meter mmm
like a good old dark souls npc storyline
and mmm yeah
i mean, its greek, its gotta end in tragedy
Its always bitter sweet
Also that
You could have various not-so-valiant characters from mythology show up as bosses, who fight you on Hades' promise to easy their suffering in the underworld.
World hasnt ended yet
Now really good night
No nuclear bombs
in terms of themes, which is I think why there is so much comedy
nah, not too dark
to offset the literal hell of the situation
Well the hint of the world is ending is there definitely
i am not even sure why zag wants to see his mother so bad
yeah something is up for sure
Hades is Having Some Trouble but it's fine! it's fine. he's fine. it's fine. everything's fine.
the underworld business is having problems
Atlantis West isn't sinking
Two Furies being away on business, Persephone is missing to both olympus and hades, A war that Meg hints at occupying everyone
world war??
and meanwhile hades' son has decided it's a good time to stress everyone out
Trojan War's well over and done
idk i think B I G
Nah Trojan war is definitely over
i still lke the its actually the present day up on the surface theory
Achilles has been long dead
Hell in disarray, Gods seeing to you before this war, making you an asset to that war
yeh true, seeing as Achillies is dow
Have some Norse hero show up in the underworld because there was a clerical error which brought him to the wrong afterlife
and yeah all the myths are over I think, everyone is here pretty much
Hade's work is in disarray, and his wife is gone so he's really crabby about it
Chaos finding its way back through the cracks
Sounds like a greek mythological apocalypse to me
yeah surely there is some narrative significance to the chaos areas
Things are being set in motion, and willing or not you play a part in the cogs
I am just calling it how I see it honestly
So...Zag is the bringer of the end?
ye
i think he's more incidental than a main player
like kratis
its kinda fun we get a piece of the story every month and then we can theorize
he's clearly being kept in the dark by a lot of the other characters
Say, with the Furies gone, Hell in a nightmare of condition, what are the chances of the titans coming loose? Or at least one
not sure what place they have in this version of the mythos
The cliche/classic thing to happen would be for Zag to find a way to leave the underworld but in doing so he inadvertently frees the Titans
That name is associated with being torn apart and being put together so it is possible he is at least a remaker as well
considering everyone else in hades is """""dead"""""
Also didn't Persephone's name mean destroyer or something?
they're probably still kicking out there somewhere
Possibly the only time I have seen Persephone's name take that connotation is Wicked + Divine
i dont think we'll be going with tearing apart/remaking, as that hits too many similarities to transistor and historically SGG like to break new ground with the purpose of their narratives
Alternatively: Zag opens the gates of the underworld, causing a zombie apocalypse in the overworld, leading into The Walking Dead
So no remaking, just tearing
LOL all good theories
got it
The Underworld is big so it means it must have big guts?
hades is a big guy
The doots are coming Hades
idk i keep thinking about rebirth
there's a big theme of hopelessness
and like being stuck in hopeless situation
Eh, thats just how Dads are
Zag pulls an Undertale and everybody goes to live on the surface
its all about familyyy tho
i cant help but think that rebirth is slightly off the mark, as we're just sort of coming back whole
undertale Pacifist
not restarting from scratch per se
ye its just that og myth of zarg had it
Ohana means Family, now give me Deflect Athena.
I never got used to it
and yeah I agree that family will be a big player this time around
Deflect Bow Special
theme-wise
Nah, Zag realizes the futility of his escape plans, accepts his place in the underworld and helps Daddy Hades get things back on track.
and deflect is my fav yeah
Growing up
That might be good
second half of the game is a hell management sim
idk i even have a dumb. idea about us being dionysus and us being stuck in underworld and everyone on surface is now depress
ggs no re
Hell management sim sounds fun
LOL you escape the underworld and share all the wine
that would explain why the gods help us
If I could just open these casks
the gods might even want zag to replace his papa
but we need alcohol
they're clearly not overly keen on the way things are down there
its all about papas in this game
which means just trapping him there again
Then they would probably tell you, that you are the God of Wine
which means Kronos will make an appearance
Zaggy zaggy yes papa
No
probably
is zag the god of anything
Leaving hell? No papa
Well they aren't keen about Hades holding a grudge over anything
he is more like a demi god right?
yup
They don't really seem to care about the state of the underworld (if they know about it at all), they simply don't particularly like their estranged brother/uncle/etc
disobeying your father was it?
Well he is the god of talking back at hades
LOL
Sorry for stealing that one
I missed that one
God of Back Sass
and his desire to run away is like river and he is representation of river and bleh
they're uuh
he is sans undertale
also Nymphs are female. minor detail
God of Dashing
skelly is sans undertale
in Greek mythology is a minor female nature deity typically associated with a particular location or landform.
god of left click
totally didnt copy paste it from wiki
hm
I just think we shouldnt look TOO deep yknow
click those dam skellies zag
Looking too deep is what we do here
please let us make bad game theories
i support the wine one
We like to stare into Chaos here
"It's all a simulation, Zag. You need to wake up."
Free darkness, just costs life
Is there a God of Corpses or Rot in Greek Mythology?
not that specifically
Zag is a guy lying in a coma in a hospital, imagining to be Zag escaping from Hades, symbolizing his consciousness attempting to break free from the coma and wake up. There, solved.
(and totally not the plot of "Live on Mars")
Poseidon feels like that cool uncle that wears Cargo shorts and a floral print shirt that shares his beers with you even if you are underaged just don't tell your dad.
Broseidon
Shame his boons are kind of not good
All he needs is a hawaiian shirt
Knockback is great (If it worked even slightly on bosses)
Just not enough walls in part two to make use of it
Oh I had a lot of fun with his knockback + wall damage. Until I fought meg and it turned out she was immune to the effect and I was stuck with pittiful base sword damage
Spear toss, with Pos on special, is a fun back and forth wave to swirl your enemies in
knock back is so much fun
But until that fight I was bashing Louts into wall across the room like with a giant baseball bat
just need a way to work on bosses
there and back again, A Louts tale
LOL I might have messed myself up with that posiden spear special a few times
Hades Space Program. Launch your enemies INTO SPACE
so i had a thought
when you pull in a thug and the hit triggers your last Defiance
darren and ashley voice specific characters whenever there's a vocal track in any game
hm
in bastion is was ashley as zia and darren as zulf
I think a lot about pomegranate
in transistor ashley was red
they are pretty tasty
in the og myth it was what bound persephone to the underground
in pyre ashley and darren were celeste and tariq
tart, but nice
because if so I want one
Been calling Ashley to voice Eurydice if we ever meet her
idk what I'd level up though
but now it serves as something that binds fyou to Olympic gods
maybe % chance to want to start working on projects
i figured it must be eurydice yeah
thats a good one
Sorry I have been yelling it all day I am just glad someone else came to that conclusion
Nah, got to up that knockback on social encounters, keep them out
Well they hint at Persephone hiding from both olympus and the underworld
i already teched into drawing people in though
Doesn't that mean spring will never come to the mortal world
i know too much info that is only good in casual conversation about dumb stuff
also
Nah, just wear a coat, its not that cold
her being kidnapped cause demeter to ruin earth of sort
her leaving underworld is not maybe ruining it?
demeter wouldn't bring back spring if she didn't know perse was back
yes
i wonder how much the gods know about the situation
they obv dont know that zag is looking for persephone
Reasons why I am saying greek apocalypse theory
They see it from such a distance they think Skelly is the lord of Bones
Meg even references this fact in their pre fight banter
I mean, would you try to correct a God?
He might not fully trust them, or at least is more focused on getting out first
Meg hints that once the cat is out of the bag it will bring Olympus to start some kind of fight with the underworld
maybe they didn't know that hades kidnapped her in the first place, and thought she just disappeared
they sent Hermes down to get her back, they knew
Isn't mentioned in the game
i dont think its safe to assume normal greek mythology applies
because there are a lot of changes already
Hermes is also notably absent from the cast
In the game it seems she decided to leave on her own accord, thus the "I'm leaving you" letter
yeah its impossible to say who is gone cos early access and who is gone because they just arent in the game
Which is strange because one of his roles was as a psychopomp, leading the dead to the underworld
God I spent way too much time in here just speculating on this game but I am just so excited to see what is next
eee
same same
it's nice to actually talk to people about these games tbh
didn't have a lot of that with pyre, even if i was gushing with other people who'd finished it too
I have one friend irl who loves SG games, but she's not so keen on roguelikes/hacknslash
so idk if she'll be too into hades, but hopefully
It still feels like a SG Games is the thing
It's surprising that a game with Zagreus even exists
zag is useful in that he's obscure as hell and has no immediate connotations
yeah
same with kratos lol
but he's super different to his real myth version
I mean zag is too
Unlike his sisters
meg ❤
I do like how Meg slowly turns her pre fight banter into are we doing this again already
yeah now for me she's like
talking in a way that implies there's no hard feelings and this is just how it is and neither of us can change it
I mean, constantly dying to a kid with a bow shooting multi shotlove arrows at mach 3 dashing between every shot kinda wears you down after a couple of runs.
except for zag not running away
but I mean maybe she does want him to get out
who can say
I think the serial nature and the fact this has things to guess off of makes this game kind of special in a way
If this had been just the SG Games thing of their own world there would be a whole lot less to go off of
i don't think she cares if zag leaves or not, she wouldn't be there to stop him if hades hadn't ordered her to
I’ve never played a rouge lite in my life but supergiant games has turned me...... I just love their games so much
I almost don't want to play until full release, so I can enjoy everything at once.
Almost, though. This game is too fun to put down.
this game makes me want to buy dead cells
I need to buy that too.
I kind of like the adventure of being on the front lines of experiencing this game
this game is mega fun and relaxing
Might as well get it for switch, so I have more than one game on it.
my focus and ability to care much about games has dwindled
it was fun until it wasnt, which is what killed it for me
meanwhile I have 1000+ hours on isaac and am still hype for the next expansion
rogue lites......
I wanted to get isaac but controls didn't click with me for some reason
isaac requires a little investment tbh
a little more than most I mean
I don't like the look/aesthetic of Isaac, so never played it.
to really get a lot of stuff unlocked and open up the game/understand the deep strategies
I remember back when I was excited for Wrath of the Lamb
I love this rogue lite tho
I used to be such a nerd for Greek myths
Flash Isaac was the best
augh
and then my interest disappeared but
i never played any roguelites before this so now i want to start
flash isaac is disgusting haha
this game is bringing it back
runs like poopy
But the music
rogue legacy was my starter roguelikr
The charm
i play it on mute anways
wait nvm i played risk of rain and FTL
now i own most of well known roguelikes
You make me sad
have you played risk of rain, tina?
bruh im not listening to the same thing for 1000 hours haha
I love mythology in general and super giant games so I kind of knew I was buying this
aaaah not yet
same
thats a good one
Risk of Rain is super good
sequel in development too
There's also Dungeons of Dreadmoore for a more classical turn-based rouge-like
Well I got to sleep now, work in the morning and all that. You guys have a goodnight!
Laters
I kinda had bad stigma for ssg games cause one gross homophobic dude in one server 8 am in played them
Or morning, wherever you are
night snek!
Risk of Rain build that I ran with for sure was turning on glass+control then pulling out the blood vial from the first box I see
Definitely gonna try getting co-op up for risk of rain 2
also tina/crow that sucks that someone like that put you off the games like that
yeah that's really annoying
Yeah for sure
The overwatch community put me off pretty hard
Well the in game community that is
Out of the game a lot of cool fan stuff has been made which is always nice to see
It is nice this community is so welcoming back to rampant speculation or we all speculated out for the night/day
What if the true underworld was the internet
Zag is just trying to get through his dads content filter
At least let the boy watch YouTube hades cmon
And yeah it really is nice
Hades was just waiting fo- wait that joke might actually spark some arguements
lol
Hades actually asked for a sundial to be installed in hell but it never happened
zag just wants faster internet
How would that even work
honestly can relate
Same tbh
Everyone wants faster internet
Meg blocked zag on facebook
Nah she still has him added but stopped following him a long time ago
But she's friends with Dusa who reposts Zag all the time
^ this
Now I want a social media au for these characters
Dusa always asks him if she can repost his stuff
Orpheus would have a bunch of old videos of his songs but refuse to put out any more claiming he lost his passion for it after his girlfriend Eurydice moved away
The full game can't come any closer
I've been backreading this channel during breaks and I'm happy to see that I'm not the only one who thought that Homer is the narrator in the game 😅
Orpheus secretly owns a soundcloud account
So many love songs...
my first thought was that it was chronos narrating, but homer would be sick too.... someone mentioned it could be Kronos, which could also be super interesting
I think this channel is just us throwing theories and stupid ideas for things
can Orpheus play wonderwall tho
musa and Meg are good ship change my mind
Hades follows his son in every social media possible and dislikes everything he posts
Totally viable ship
Also yes
why would I boo you? you’re right
Speak the truth
I totally want to ship Achilles and Zag
and I'm so happy it exists, I was so sad when I finished Pyre and no one was theorizing anymore, at least now I can actually be more active and take part in all the theories and headcanons 😊
honestly if YOU had a crush on cute girl and your ex boyfriend was her crush you would be extra motivated to kick his ass
I gave Artemis a gift and she’s so uncomfortable “let’s get back to hunting now, okay?”
I love her so much
need Orion
Oh yeah I definitely want more Artemis interactions
Secret joke fight where they team up to kick your butt
Artemis: I would prefer not to
Artemis being a fan of Achilles is great
I’d rather lay down my weapons and voluntarily lose an op run than fight dusa
same
I once said about Pyre let's ship the Reader with everyone and people didn't take that well so I'm kind of scared about it but let's ship Zagreus with everyone
hades has been going about this all wrong. he just needed to send dusa to stop us
@royal hawk Why not
I just came up with something terrible
Okay can we say no shipping zag with the dog?
Nah more like it would be weird
Well Zeus did people as a swan
Cerberus is too much of a good dog that I just can't see it honestly
Dusa gives you a feather duster so you can do her job for her
Why not set?
exchange student from Egypt who is learning about underworld
Yeah, Cerberus is like Ti'zo, good boi, not for shipping
I loved Tizo
I’m fairly sure if Zach tried to date Cerberus hades would actually pop a blood vessel
auto correct that’s not his name
what if zag seduced zeus
Zachary prince of the underworld
I'm still sad thinking that you most likely will have to fight Cerberus at some point 😭
Ti'zo was definitely one of my fav players in pyre
But also I'm looking forward to his fight having a remix of Thrash Pack
Zachreus
The starting three were good but they didn't stick around long
Lets move to the pyre chat
well
I semi hope for good or at least bitersweet ending
thats highly dependent lol
Bitter sweet is my bet
It's SGG, it's gonna be bittersweet
I'm already readying myself for feels with Hades as a character
Plus it's Greek
Greek mythology is not exactly known for happy endings
they invented tragedy after all
I would hope for an option to earn your happy ending
Tragic sitcom
At best it's gonna be you escape but by doing so you break everything or there's truly no escape
Yeah...but w/e the journey is going to be super interesting
golden ending
on the other hand, Sisyphus seems to be doing just fine
still bittersweet
but
honestly maybe if hades accepted his place as underworld ruler and tried to make it a better place
I mean if Sisyphus gives up on pushing the boulder then it's basically like he has no punishment anymore
maybe everyone wouldn't be so depressed
Well I think Hades is trying his best
Zag could be that person and try to make the underworld a better place, instead he wants to leave
I dont really like hades? he is very much abusive dad and mega bitter
More mega bitter than abusive
I don't see him that abusive, he just seems... resentful? not sure if I'm using the right adjective
yeye
bitter works
I feel Hades has too much going on
truthfully, I don’t know how you could be happy with your place as underworld ruler, when not only are u hated and feared by mortals and ridiculed by ur brothers and peers, but they also forced you into the role that you are forced to fill for all of eternity, and eventually it drives even your wife away from you and eventually your son
I sympathize with him, honestly, but I always sympathize with villains so...
I think it’s interesting hades is surrounded by people who leave him, when he, ironically, is the only one who CANT leave
Btw how did persephone leave hell
hades can’t leave the underworld no matter how much he wants to, and I think that’s really sad
SHRUG EMOJI
Did she even make it out is the question
Did she just waltz to the surface
They never said she made it up from the underworld
maybe that’s why he’s so bitter towards zag? that he can even attempt and have the freedom to want to leave and try to, when he’s bound to his duty and incapable of being anything other than the king of Hell
Oh yeah true, I thought about it too, how did she leave? 🤔
In the myth isn't she delivered by Hermes so that things can grow again in the surface?
Well, Hades himself was never potrayed as evil, but he was rather cold, asocial, and stern
I mean her mother is the goddess of earth
One of the npcs (nyx I think?) assures she still lives
Yeah
I feel like Nyx might have kidnapped her for her own plots
She clipped through
She's stuck in Chaos maybe?
to kick off all of this plot
wasn't hades trapped outside of underworld by sisyphos
god thats rude
Im on phone
Or captured by Sisyphus depending on telling of that myth
I feel like hades is more a product of his situation, and Persephone leaving has exasperated his already present bitterness and hatred towards his brothers and the underworld as a whole
I'm pretty sure Demeter will be involved in this whole Persephone business
though we don’t really know how he acted when Persephone was around soooo
It’s hard to know if he’s always been like this
Do those statues in front of the house in the starting room represent persephone
could be
One thing though, isn't it curious that in the letter she's like "take care of Cerberus, I'm going to miss him" but says nothing about Zag, like come on, you say you're gonna miss the dog but not your son??
I like the sisyphus myth where sisyphus told his wife that, after he died, she should throw his naked body out into the agora to show her love
then he went to persephone as soon as he died like "can you BELIEVE what my wife did to my body?! i don't deserve to be down here, after that kind of treatment." and persephone agreed lmfao
ok on one hand MOOD
Now that you mention it yeah...
hades is just my icon
on other hand it's definitely strange that she doesn't mention zag
This is Hades' hell and we're all livin in it
GOD
Or rather dyin
Welcome To The House Of Hades
I still suspect chronos messing with timeliness shaenigans
Like how long has Persephone been gone if Zag is fully grown adult
how fast do gods grow up
Some were born adults
He might look like that but be centuries old, who knows
Zag is like, physically in his 20s
yeah exactly lol
zeus grew up pretty fnast
Athena was born an adult, I'm pretty sure
this reminds me of rincewind from disc world and "my mom left us before I was born"
thats zags situation maybe lol
Like we know it's after the trojan war but we don't have an estimate time of when the story happens
probably has something to do with gods giving birth in rather unconventional ways
like splitting someone's head with an axe
Might be happening right now 👀 that's why there's fast food
Zag seems to have grown up slow since he was trained by Achilles, raised by Nyx and, had a thing with Meg long enough ago they both talk about it in the distant past
what if zagreus was and hear me out supposed to relieve hades on his throne
and now he is leaving
so there goes that hope of ever being free
I want actual charon dialogue
I want to see how Charon actually looks
I get the feeling he'll stay hooded
I want to see artemis
I wouldn't mind Charon to be hooded but give me Artemis
gonna be honest
I imagine something like Jaina's father in the Daughter of the Sea video (for those who know what I'm talking about)
this game has massive undertale vibes
Possibly
idk just reminds me a lot
I already see myself having a crush on Artemis, she was my favorite goddess
the hooded portraits are placeholders but it doesn’t mean some characters won’t stay hooded
artemis is so cute she is my favourite goddess
The team that Tobyfox wants for Deltarune is Super Giant Games
god ye
it would be honestly freaking awesome
the power of mean girls (Meg) shines from within you
Pretty sure the heat death of the universe will happen instantly if that happens
Nah a second big bang would happen
worth
Toby fox needs bethesda
We're all still in Death Stranding
Great the game universes are bleeding together
Can we get Suda51 and Swewry also on this?
I did not feel like actually figuring out how to spell his name sorry
Swery
Apparently theres a big war going on in the surface which is why 2 of the 3 furies are gone
I didn't get that line
Its from sisyphus
I think Meg also references it
Ye
Also with a war there's way more people dying which only gives more work to Hades, I suppose
Alexander the great
Well the Aenid is a thing?
Aenid is basically a copy paste of homer's work
If I had to guess the war it might be whichever one the romans took Greece?
I am not crazy knowledgeable about actual history so my guesses there are just maybe this
there wasnt really a big one where that happened, just over time
romans just attritioned out a lot of places
hm
who can say though
1 pm here, timezooones =_=
More like dimezones
there being a war would explain why hades is so pissed off his son is trying to run away from home instead of helping
it’s... one AM for me lmao
Doesn't look like anyone's brigading hell tho
Well they still have people from the trojan war to process
According to Achilles at least
That might be him boasting though
Maybe Hades just doesn't want his son to get hurt in the war 😊 by killing him over and over
I wonder if going to the surface will lead to some ACT 2 like deal
Gonna try to get sleep bye folks it was fun chatting
bye byee
niight
sleep well my dood
In Diablo 1 once you reah a certain elevl of delving you get a shortcut to said zone and new area on the map with said shortcut
and hm that'd be cool
I'm just thinking out loud tho
enter the gungeon also has shortcuts
i loved the "second act" structure they've done before in other games
that might happen in Hades too
to not spoil specific games people may have not played haha
and yeah depends how much power creep there is
if there ends up being a heap then shortcuts might be a welcome addition
There's almost definitely a third area
My guess is hydra will be nerfed somewhat when the 3rd area comes out
Other than QoL stuff with the camera in that fight
Either that or it won't be nerfed and there will be power creep from updates
there's almost definitely like 4-7 areas
Maybe instead of a boon, Hermes lets you go forward or back rooms with random set numbers
6 would be a good guess ive seen others make
i'd love to see more boons that arent chance to get god boons too
and im sure more will come
as more characters are introduced
Like would you go back to stack more boons, or skip some rooms
Hopefully Sisyphus, Nyx, Charon and Artemis will get proper sprites instead of recolours of eachother
and Orpheus I think
a rewind to get a reroll of the boons available would be cool
people will definitely all get new art
A way to deny a boon for a later more powerful upgrade would also be nice
For strategy layers
@honest coral they are placeholders.
Yeah, I assumed so alma
curious, what sorts of enemies do you think will be future bosses? I for one think it’d be cool if hades was the final boss before we get to leave the underworld bur im curious what other ppl think lmao
It’s in the faq as well btw
yep, ok
someone said Cerberus earlier and that’s cool but also I absolutely don’t want that because he’s my boy :((
logically he'd be the guarding the gate still
but idk how much they're changing that lore
I DONT WANNA MAKE ZAG HIT HIS DOG........
because he's at home a lot of the time haha
Seeing the other furies would be nice, but maybe not as bosses
Or if they're a boss, both furies at once
they'd be a cool O&S fight
So basically mantis lords from hollow knight
zags mentioned the asophodel being dangerous even while Cerberus isn’t guarding it to cerb before in a conversation, so I assume there’s a reason he’s not out there all the time?
maybe cerbs retired............
I think he’s old now
CERB PUPPIES???
there’s a line about him mellowing with age iirc..?
yeah kinda like mantis lords would be neat
does that mean he has a son/daughter out there instead because dear god I want three headed puppies
not sure if any of them really age normally lol
Cerberus is all hades has left he just wants him close to home ;w;
zag is probably well old, just not comparatively to the other gods
the other gods @ zag: you’re like, twelve
zag: im NINETEEN AND THREE QUARTERS (centuries)
everyone else: is that a gremlin???? whatever just nobody feed that thing after midnight
also don’t wanna clutter up feedback but @true coyote thank u for confirming my suspicions about bombs! I wasn’t sure if I was just bad lmao ;w;
HHGDBDKFJ KAM
zag, coming back from another failed run: ITS NOT A PHASE, DAD!!!
hades: YOURE LIKE TWELVE, YOU DONT KNOW WHAT YOU WANT
this is literally the game we are playing
Roomba with bombs
to your room and NO pomegranates until you lean how to speak to your father with respect >:((
me, taking like twenty damage to the skeleton bros after I’ve killed them and can’t dodge bombs: this is fine :)
i hopppppe they make it so bombs stop working after the ppl die
PRESS F.........
F
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hey do you think they eat the whole pomegranate seed or spit them out everywhere for dusa to mop up
I feel like it’s the whole point of like. The infernobombers
Like they drop bombs when they die
god I hope the former for Dusas sake
But it being easier to avoid would be nice
yeah but you cant dodge them if they land on you in slow mo when you beat the room
wait
which should not happen
Do people not eat the seeds?
consume the entire Pom. no wastefulness in THIS house of hades
indeed
HFHDJFKF
zag was at least raised THAT well
some ppl dont!!!! some ppl suck on the seed n spit it out
hades: no ambrosia until you eat your pomegranate seeds
not to be a Pom elitist.... but.......... the Correct way of eating it is eating the seed
love that cronch
never eaten a pomegranate in my life but I assume the seeds cronch
YEAH you have to like. pay for the privilege of getting to eat a pomegranate jcnvncnvb
its like not eating the seeds in a passionfruit
THE SEEDS CRONCH
but even worse
PEOPLE DONT EAT THE SEEDS IN PASSIONFRUIT?????
never..... I live in nz I don’t think they even sell them usually here
ahhhhhhh
WAIT WHAT PEOPLE DON'T EAT SEEDS IN PASSIONFRUITS?
SEE.
IVE HONESTLY.... NEVER HAD THE WANT TO TRY ONE.... ITS JUST NEVER COME UP IN MY LIFE BEFORE
Yeah they don't sell poms here in right-side up land either
sometimes crunching the seeds is an inseparable part of the experience
but now I am curious..........
theyre good!!! you should try em if you ever have the chance
zags a seed croncher. gets it from his mother
they sell poms in australia where I live
Also grats on being a mod here alma 
The seeds complete the pomegranate experience
hades spits the seeds at cerby and he growls
but you can get almost any food here
Well there are boxes of Pom in the lounge
Thanks!
Hades actually saves the seeds as bullet
you're probs east coast right?
I'm from Canberra
cos im over here in WA and we dont have much but we sure as hell have food haha
aah the ol capital hey haha
when hades is having an especially rough day he flicks them at the shades and sees how many he can get in a row
Yeah
JFKFJVMGJ
im a perth boi myself
one day someones gona tell zag abt pom JUICE and hell be like friendship ended with ambrosia now we drink pom juice
Canberra is the land of uncertainty. Actually, maybe it's certainty. Nah, it's definitely somewhere in the middle
ambrosia now banned in the underworld. entirely pomegranate based diet only
hdbfnjfdk
Isn't ambrosia already banned? I'm pretty sure Meg is just annoyed at first, so I have no reason to assume she's lying about it being contraband
eats a pomegranate may my attack do as much damage as the seeds in the pomegranate 🙏
I assumed she was just giving zag a hard time... or maybe zag specifically isn’t allowed ambrosia because he’s a Bad Boy
1dpomegranate
HDKSKG NOOO
the skin of the pomegranate will make you strong... the seeds... will also make you strong
BXBXNFNFH
and the flesh..... also strong. its a very strong fruit
Hades has A+ parenting compared to his siblings
throw the pomegranate at meg/hydra for a one hit kill
zag: I’m going to go to Olympus! At least there they’ll accept me!
hades: woman laughing alone with salad.png
The many demigods from Zeus: eyeroll
No no no I already said it's 1dPomegranate damage. The Hydra can probably take like 8 pomegranate's, and meg can take as many as Zag is willing to give her before he realises it's not going to get her to go out with him again
Have you maxed out meg's hearts?
can zag eat a whole pomegranate without swallowing the seeds
he then uses the seeds as a weapon
Because then you wouldn't eat a whole pom
Zag has a talented mouth then
pom seed gun
not yet..... I have her one and all the other times I beat her she didn’t show up or she was in a conversation with someone
Phrasing
meg running away from zag spitting pom seeds at her
easy mode: tying a knot in a cheery stem with ur tongue
hard mode: swallowing a Pom without the seeds
took me so long to get the last one, she kept talking to nyx and dusa and being unavailable for gifts
because I assume zag just isn't man enough to gift any of them anything in the presence of others haha
I clear her enough that I'm getting past her most runs by far
So it wasn't too bad when that happened
trial of the gods but it's trial of the household where one gets mad when you give the bottle to the other
same, but hydra seems to require a pretty good build atm
which sometimes I get near him and im like nup
not happening haha
me when I save an ambrosia for meg and she doesn’t even show up: :’(((
Meg vs Dusa would be very sad :(
give it to skelly
always save for meg
harem route

you think i'm joking but i'm actually half-serious with that entire skelly thing
I still need to give Zeus his gift for his keepsake........... he keeps ghosting me
SAME
Zeus I know ur a petty jerk but PLEASE ur the last one I need
I have all gods double gifted
the only times he’s showed up are in asphodel with a skull room and like...... no thanks
I’ve heard horror stories of the boat room I choose life
what would you do for a keepsake
I gifted aphrodite twice or thrice but not the rest of the gods
IM SO BAD AT GAMES THO ID NEVER SURVIVE
the easiest strat for it...... is to skip it
So practice it when you can
cowardice
I never claimed to be brave
its only worth it for a good boon
cowardice......... but life
Being a coward got me to the hydra
I do it because I know otherwise I'll get a survival room and lose 50hp
befitting of someone with an aphrodite profile picture
dont take that seriously i was just looking for an excuse 
in this house we love and respect Aphrodite
your fave is a thot
please don’t call her that though
also both Artemis AND Aphrodite has asked me to tell Achilles he’s great so is achilles just..... that popular with the gods
alright
ALL WOMEN ARE QUEENS BELGO
Aphrodite is basically trying to seduce you and then being jelous when you like Meg
She also has some
comments lmao
that one line where she wants to ""introduce"" me to a bunch of men/women
she is the goddess of love
she’s flirty but I don’t really feel like she’s trying to seduce zag
oh certainly not
Idk
zag calling aphrodite for love advice
There's that one, there's also one that's really well then
that one with the """outings"""
(she also legit gets jelous of Meg)
she gets jealous of everyone lol
well almost everyone. I think she had one positive line when I accepted another boon from someone that.... wasn’t artemis
probably Athena
i love how the other gods always warn against Poseidon
one time she said something about me, suggesting i shouldnt make any sudden moves on artemis
🤔
and its like he's a bro but.. seems like there's something we dont know about him
"Tsk, you're in no condition for an outing with me, dearest. Though, perhaps you might recover from your hardships with my aid?"
This one is just like 
Poseidon calls everyone crusty and it’s funny so I like him
lol
I mean I kinda took outing in the literal sense there
it's more explicit in the other line
