On rama at least it's 175 to 125, I don't remember what it was for default
#h1-builds-and-combat
wraith moss
untold iris
regardless, dash attacks let you hit power shots more frequently
which is better damage
smoky horizon
recommended build for ||aspect of demeter?|| 
proven parcel
||merciful end is always a safe bet.||
fallen token
just take every Athena boon possible and build out from there lol
Dionysus and Demeter do well with the special and are pretty fun too
smoky horizon
sweet, i'll definitely try those suggestions out
been trying to experiment with others weapons other than the bow
pliant anvil
Zeus on attack is decent too, but falls off later usually. Demeter kinda covers for it though considering it's extra special hits
marsh heart
I've been struggling to make Guan Yu aspect work, what should I be approaching it
small stirrup
Do you rely more on the spin or the special?
cosmic hornet
i usually just go for the special build on guan yu
marsh heart
I try to use spin but I feel like I don't have enough time to use it
small stirrup
So special then?
marsh heart
Probably
small stirrup
With the spin build, quick spin and massive spin become a mandatory
As hammer boons
While with special, only charged skewer is mostly needed to work
river wing
spin is really hard to use on many enemies even with hammers
special with charged skewer is super strong.
serrated point is super strong too, but it can be really dangerous
small stirrup
I disagree that spin is hard to use, infact I'd say its more viable than the special, but not everyone can work their way around it I suppose
If you do go for a spin build, Athena/Ares/Dio should be great options
A special build works great with Aphrodite
marsh heart
Okedoke, thanks for the help!
small stirrup
No problem 
cosmic hornet
is there a way to improve the spin build's consistency? i assume you need to get fated authority to get hammers ASAP?
small stirrup
Hmmm not really?
This may sound condescending but the best advice to work the spin on spear is to get good
Understand how positioning and the charge up time work
A little trick that most people don't know is that you can move and spin at the same time. While charging it, you can dash to let go of the spin and the aoe moves with you. It's all practice really
So I usually spin away from enemies rather than to them, as a way to damage and dodge their attacks
cosmic hornet
so have the enemy run after you and get hit by the rings?
small stirrup
by rings, do you mean the spin?
cosmic hornet
ye
small stirrup
Mostly
cosmic hornet
sounds interesting, imma try that next
small stirrup
You can still play aggressively with the spin
It depends on which aspect you're running as well
cosmic hornet
wait, we're talking guan yu right?
small stirrup
If you're running Hades aspect then, you're pretty much using the spin to debuff enemies, which works well considering that the aoe for Hades aspect is massive
I mean the tips I gave work on spear in general
But Guan Yu works better with the retreat tactic since you're "throwing" the spin
solid hazel
Any good/fun lucifer builds?
untold iris
if you just want to win, the best build on all non-hestia rail aspects is zeus attack start into whatever your run gives you
solid cairn
the super soaker
rare kayak
just get gud 4head
small stirrup
True
calm bluff
I usually only take rare crop on tartarus. By the time you get to elysium and temple of styx there's too many boons for it to effect imo. But dunno if other people take it
small stirrup
I always take rare crop cause, heroic boons never hurt anyone (except the people I'm hurting)
woven delta
Unless it only picks your dash boon for it
untold iris
rare crop is really hard to take if you're on higher heat levels imo
the fact that you cant sell it is really, really bad
because taking it in tartarus means that you sometimes are forced to sell something really important
woven delta
Plus you get zero control over what boons it decides to pick for it
untold iris
and once you get past tartarus and have enough boons that you can pick up an unsellable boon without much problem
then you have too many boons to force rare crop onto something you want
and you also have less chambers remaining to benefit off of it
woven delta
Which means it's possible you'll end up getting it on a boon that it's wasted on
i.e. most dash boons
calm bluff
Typically in my low heat runs, I have 2-3 boons for it to increase the rarity of I want it to in tartarus. But past that I feel it's a waste.
untold iris
demeter in general is kind of underwhelming to find early since she has multiple unsellable boons at tier 1
which is a huge problem with underworld customs turned on
and pretty much all high heat runs use UC since it is one of the easier ways to add heat
calm bluff
But for a fun build, I just like Poseidon and anything that enhances his knockback stuff.
whoops
Seeing the rats go around the room with water gushing everywhere is satisfying
calm bluff
Curse of drowning did a lot more damage than I expected it to
untold iris
imo most reliable is probably zeus special
artemis special is good as well
and you can always do a merciful end build if you're into that
you really need to get used to managing the special though, its the most important part of the weapon by far
rare kayak
depends on what level ur zeus shield is honestly
delicate tusk
What's the thought process, tho; special and dash strike around?
rare kayak
at max level its ok to put a percentage god on it
untold iris
most of the time is good to keep the special relatively close to you
rare kayak
im personally a fan of dionysus on it
untold iris
you want to get close to the enemy, throw out your shield, and immediately recall it as soon as it gets past the enemy
in the meantime you can weave in dash attacks, regular attacks, or a bull rush while your special is flying
being able to take other actions while dealing damage with your special is really the nicest part about zeus shield
I think the most reliable is zeus special on it
its by far the best early game dps, and it scales pretty well too if you're able to grab zeus secondary boons
untold iris
you mean dealing damage primarily through dash?
tidal dash is the only "dash" focused build you can really do, because the other dashes just dont do enough damage to be your primary source of damage
best would probably be something like eris
you start with zeus attack, then try and get poseidon dash and build towards sea storm
eris's +75% global damage makes your dashes and your sea storm lightning bolts also do extra damage
untold iris
nah
opal lodge
second wave is almost worse
untold iris
sea storm is the best "dash" focused boon
opal lodge
you want sea storm yeah
delicate tusk
Also for y'all that play on PC, what key do you bind your dash to
For some reason the default is spacebar and it throws me off; I set it to right-click instead
opal lodge
that's quite odd imo lol
i never had an issue with dash on space
i rebound all the attacks to my mouse though
untold iris
i play on controller, so no problems with dash for me!
delicate tusk
Cast as mid-click?
untold iris
though the default binding for reload on controller is god-awful
thats really my only complaint
I think many people rebind special to right click
and keep dash as space
delicate tusk
Is that even possible?
cunning ibex
i don't see why it wouldn't be
delicate tusk
Maybe with mods, but I think you'd always be offered boon from another god, at least
Like, in minibosses
cunning ibex
in that case I take an active boon and dont use it, then get rid of it first chacne i get
delicate tusk
Go for it, then, I don't see how this'll go wrong
I think fists would be the best bet
split orbit
What should I focus for eris?
silk hearth
zeus attack is all u need
cunning ibex
whelp my athena only run ended because my dog destroyed the extension cable my computer was plugged into
candid fiber
Am I able to use Shadow Presence and Fiery Presence at the same time or am I choosing 1 or the other when flipping?
split orbit
Your choosing
split orbit
Eris with cluster bomb: Epic PP or Rare Art special
opal lodge
rare art special
silk hearth
what do u mean o.o
opal lodge
you would pick PP there?
cunning urchin
Flourish lets you get duos and legendaries faster because it's a priority slot.
untold iris
also flourish is probably the high roll option
if you find rockets in elysium then your damage becomes insane with artemis special
split orbit
My current hammer upgrade is cluster, will rhay not override rockets?
Also I have to choose arty or demeter
split orbit
Currently have zeus atk, urge to kill, and pp
silk hearth
take arte
pliant anvil
@split orbit rockets and cluster bombs are not exclusive to each other, and they're fantastic together.
opal lodge
also flourish is probably the high roll option
@untold iris is it high rolling if it's strictly better?
opal lodge
in my mind high roll is a risky option with dubious payoff
opal lodge
like taking auto reload or quick reload hoping for a hermes leg
high roll usually refers to the dice count
but can be thought of as a lifestyle lol
silk hearth
i guess lol
opal lodge
i think the highest roll ive done is sinking 6 dice into a mini boss room hoping for mirage shot
i got it, but at what cost
silk hearth
wow ive never spent 6 dice at once
if i reroll and dont get the boon i want i usually just give up
molten violet
how do i get the legendary boon for artemis? i got the required boons gamepedia told me 3 times so far but no fully loaded boon. Some old reddit post tells me to get burst shot boon but i cant find it. Is it renamed or smth?
unborn pebble
You need Two of the following: Exit Wounds (lodged cast deals 100-120-160-200 damage when dropping from enemies, great with Poseidon Sword), Pressure Points (+2-3-4-5% global crit), or Support Fire (Attack hits, Special hits, and Cast usage spawns a small homing arrow dealing 10-12-14-16 damage on hit).
opal lodge
keep in mind that certain casts lock out exit wounds
which means youd need the other two to unlock the leg
unborn pebble
Exit Wound requires that you're not using the Beowulf Shield and that you don't have any of the Crystal Beam (Demeter), Trippy Shot (Dionysus), or Hunting Blades (Ares) casts.
Pressure Points has no pre-requisites.
Support Fire requires Pressure Points or any one of Artemis' core boons (Attack, Special, Cast, Dash, Call).
After that, get lucky.
barren otter
you don't need infernal soul for exit wounds, you can still get it with stygian
unborn pebble
Have you had Exit Wounds with Stygian Soul?
barren otter
yes, I had for sure.
barren otter
it's especially good if you get extra bloodstones, since with stygian you aren't limited to how many stones can be in an enemy
unborn pebble
You can't be using Beowulf, that's the one.
There, fixed.
Also, I forgot to pause my run and wasted 3 minutes here because I was super giddy about Miniboss reward Demeter giving me an Epic Rare Crop which, among others, hit my Common Rarity Trippy Shot in my current progress Beowulf Run.
Also, Eurydice is just precious. I enter their room, listen a bit, and then talk to her. Her response is "Guess what we've been up to hon. Now hurry along."
I felt that implied message vibrating out of the screen xD
strange quiver
im a professional 3rd wheel, so im used to that
molten violet
hmm i guess i just need to get luckier
thanks
trying to get all the prophecies is painful :ı
unborn pebble
It is. The +20% Boon/Gold/Hammer/Pom and the +10% Duo/Legend Boon Rarity perks from the reverse mirror are really helpful in that regard.
turbid needle
You know how I know I'm gonna see Hermes in Styx?
no i don't know
I get 3 Attack options on my first Hammer on a Chiron run.
cunning urchin
That's good for Low Tolerance builds at least.
calm bluff
i'm doing a hazard bomb eris run
i love the added risk of getting the boost and trying not to kill myself xD
frank dew
well enjoy it while you can
calm bluff
Yeah I know it's gonna get me killed
proven osprey
nah
calm bluff
It is the best feeling when you keep killing theseus by accident
I sent some zeus bolts at theseus, forgot i had the duo boon to make them shoot lightning around them when they're just stones, suddenly theseus is calling on the gods
Did it.
Only lost two DD's
But to be fair, I stacked athena and spearpoint
sinful magnet
Any ideas on what boons are best for arthur?
I was thinking Dio-Demeter to keep myself in the special area and fight there
olive spruce
aphrodite on attack
deals the most damage and weakens your enemies at the same time!
i hear artemis on attack is good too
for those chonky swings
sly arch
How do I kill the dynamic duo that is smug man and bull man
keen hazel
asterius is usually the better to take out first
keen hazel
you can LOS theseus most of the time
olive spruce
you need to get behind a pillar when theseus is about to attack, you can tell because the crosshairs change colour
sly arch
Honestly my issue is probably that I don’t do good enough before the fight
keen hazel
It definitely takes time to get those guys down consistently at first
If you have the evergreen acorn, elysium is a good place to switch to that
sly arch
Im not even sure I’ve met who gives you that
Kinda blasted through floors 1 and 2
Got to the boys before i even had the fists
keen hazel
The ! room in Asphodel is Eurydice who will give you the acorn for a nectar
S tier Keepsake
unborn pebble
So this is the situation, I'm playing the Hadouken build with Demeter Fists and Artemis Special.
sly arch
Oh yeah, hadn’t gotten around to getting her thing yet
keen hazel
At max level it gives you immunity for the first 5 hits of the final encounter of a level
sly arch
Woah
unborn pebble
I have the Art-Dio duo (+1.5% crit per poison) and the Aphro-Art Duo (+150% crit dmg vs weak) AND the Aphro-Dio duo (poison stacks up to 8 on Weak), do I pick a Rare Swift Strike or an Epic Quick Favor? Dio Call is how I apply poison.
sly arch
I get hit a lot though to be fair
keen hazel
I have the Art-Dio duo and the Aphro-Art Duo, do I pick a Rare Swift Strike or an Epic Quick Favor? Dio Call is how I apply poison.
@unborn pebble Dio call is not a good method for applying hangover. That's something you would want on a faster hitting weapon to keep stacks up on as much as possible. So swift strike would serve you better in that situation imo
unborn pebble
It's Styx shop.
Oh, forgot the most important part: Demeter Fist + Kinetic Launcher.
I have 5 duo boons, how in the hell?
keen hazel
Don't worry about your call for that build, you just want to constantly charge your cutter up and hit it w/o worrying about your cast or call
unborn pebble
True. And if I attack faster, wouldn't I be charging the Call faster too (if not as quickly as with Quick Favor)?
Hmm...
Thanks for the advice, Snacktime.
keen hazel
Yeah, the faster attacks will give you faster charges and more charges. That will be where your dps will be with that build
unborn pebble
I'll post this build in victory boasting after Hades (because I don't see how I lose with this without massive duck-ups).
unborn pebble
How much does Fist Kinetic Launcher Power Shot deal in damage?
keen hazel
base damage of kinetic launcher hits are 40 or 50, dunno about after any modifiers
unborn pebble
Yeah, because the hammer says it can Powershot, but I dunno the difference in base damage vs non-powershot 
Ugh, don't even wanna get into the combinatorics of this...
frank dew
does it really matter tho i mean you would still want the powershot?
unborn pebble
It doesn't. Vs Hades, in second part of Phase 2, with all the buffs applied, I saw an individual shot from the special crit somewhere in the range of 1.2k
frank dew
seems decent enough
frank dew
Well its a crit so its not that high dmg
unborn pebble
I mean, I had a 3rd lvl Heroic Artemis Special (+120%), Low Tolerance (8 stacks of hangover on weak foes), Heartrend (+150% crit dmg vs weak foes), the Artemis-Dionysus duo (+1.5% crit chance for each stack of Hangover), Parting Shot (+35% backstab damage), +30% global from Family Favourites (though given the number of curse affecting boons I had relatively early on, PS would have been better), +31% on weak foes, +10% from Ravenous Will...
And I think that specific hit was from a Power Shot with the fist's Kinetic Launcher hammer, so Base Damage was already higher than the normal 50 from the hammer grants each hit (of which there are 6 or 7 on a full charge for Legendary Demeter Fists).
It was... Yeah, a lot.
river wing
i just poewrshot for 75. so. not a big diff.
unborn pebble
I mean, my normal crits, before any boss-given damage reduction, was in the 800+ range, so that fits.
languid dagger
guys, I have a noob question. When Chaos boon boosts Attack, does it boost both attack and dash-strike? And when it boosts dash-strike, does it only boost dash-strike?
I am doing Aspect of Nemesis on heat 9, wanna know what to boost
unborn pebble
That should boost both Attack and Dash-Strike, with the +Dash-Strike% only boosting Dash-Strike.
let me check
languid dagger
that whole "dash-strike" thing is still a bit confusing to me. Also, Artemis gives % to dash strike but all others give flat dash to simple dashes
also a bit confusing, lol
unborn pebble
Hunter Dash sort of makes sense if you consider the wider perspective of her Attack Boons.
Low +Dmg% but a decent +15% base crit chance.
So Hunter Dash is to cover that gap.
Found it: https://hades.gamepedia.com/Status_effects#Increased_Damage
On Daedalus Hammer and Chaos's Boons attack and Dash-Strike, are dissociated, but on other boons, Attack refer to Attack and Dash-Strike. Same goes with Special and Dash-Upper.
unborn pebble
Yup.
But it makes sense given that Dash Strike tends to have a slightly higher base damage on the base melee weapon aspects.
Sword Dash, Spear Dash, Shield Dash, and Fist Dash all deal more damage than normal consecutive hits.
clever igloo
I didn’t realize chaos attack boons don’t affect dash strike
ashen spire
guan yu's aspect honestly seems pretty weak to me which mainly has to do with the super slow attack speed, is there anything I'm missing?
turbid needle
Dash attacking is still pretty good with it
Special is also decent to build around, especially if you get Charged Skewer
Could also mess around with spins, especially if hammers allow it
Peeps don't generally bother doing the full Guan-Yu attack combo anyways
clever igloo
I did my clear with guan yu by using the faster spin hammer
It did reasonable damage and the life steal helped offset the penalty
@unkempt pagoda will do lol, interested in the result
fair plinth
guys im attempting EM4 again, tried and failed 2 times so far
I'm thinking, since I don't have tight deadline turned on, perhaps I should use charon keepsake instead of broken spearpoint for styx?
stack up a bunch of well buffs for yuuge damage?
primal hazel
Why don't you use acorn?
primal hazel
At least regarding to hades fight
clever igloo
What build are you aiming for?
fair plinth
because EM4 hades has 3 phases and acorn pretty runs out in phase 1?
clever igloo
It’s still well worth it
clever igloo
That might be why you’re struggling
There are builds that can clear him with much less fuss
fair plinth
this is my 3rd attempt, tried with spear and rail previously
olive spruce
I found spear really difficult
clever igloo
Eris rail is godo
olive spruce
rail and bow were pretty easy
clever igloo
My easiest clears are with achilles spear
olive spruce
eris rail and chiron bow
clever igloo
Going for hunting blades
clever igloo
If you just want to beat em4 I highly recommend that
You just launch blades and focus on dodging
The damage is insane
olive spruce
after a raging rush though right?
clever igloo
Yeah
olive spruce
makes sense
clever igloo
Aim it at a corner to run away
primal hazel
because EM4 hades has 3 phases and acorn pretty runs out in phase 1?
@fair plinth if you don't get hit 5 times in Phase one
clever igloo
It’s not the fastest but it’s a straightforward and effective strategy
olive spruce
I mean I've beaten EM4 on the spear 3 times, it's just harder than using chiron bow or eris rail
clever igloo
I found achilles much easier than both but ymmv
Eris rail is certainly great
I like chiron but not as much as others seem to
olive spruce
it took me a while to get into it but I really really like it now
to be fair I'm playing on the Switch so it hasn't gotten nerfed yet
olive spruce
I was going for heart rend this time but I didn't get the duo boon
still easy without it
I got heart rend on a spear run once, that was pretty great
primal hazel
Crit is a possible build for chiron
olive spruce
vicious skewer + heartbreak flourish
clever igloo
I didn’t think chiron got nerfed?
primal hazel
Vicious skewer is so bad
clever igloo
It was all other bow aspects that got nerfed
primal hazel
Try explosive Launcher
olive spruce
nah, vicious skewer + charged skewer
primal hazel
Chiron is still good
Got more shots to compensate
fair plinth
what's the aoe for lightning rod?
primal hazel
Having to return nthe spear makes it bad
fair plinth
got offered it, debating if its worth taking
olive spruce
I agree that explosive launcher is better
primal hazel
Explosive launcher removes that and gives you good flat damage
fair plinth
zeus/artemis duo
clever igloo
The patch notes say they nerfed bow special but buffed chiron special to keep it where it is
olive spruce
but vicious skewer + heart rend was amazing
fair plinth
nah chiron still got nerfed, just not that much
instead of a 33% nerf it got slightly improved to 25% nerf or something
primal hazel
Vicious skewer gives a negligible damage boost on the throw and only some crit on return and forfeits the damage boost
olive spruce
oh interesting
primal hazel
Chiron is still good
olive spruce
well it worked out alright for me
primal hazel
Depends on the heat always
olive spruce
80 damage on special instead of 105 is a slight nerf
primal hazel
On low heat anything goes
olive spruce
o no
fair plinth
boss butterfly ball in elysium, I chunked it with bouldy right upon it spawned
it took damage then.... suddenly I couldn't hit it anymore
fair plinth
waving my sword at it for 5 seconds and it wasn't taking any damage, i resetted it before the spawns damaged me
huh. it happened again
did boss butterfly ball get any changes I'm unaware about?
does it have an invulnerable phase after 50% hp or something?
clever igloo
There hasn’t been a patch in a while
fair plinth
well F10'd it and submitted report
clever igloo
I don’t remember what middle management does on the butterfly ball, maybe it’s related to that
fair plinth
nah I dont have MM turned on
primal hazel
Also on switch
jaunty roost
Does Ocean's Bounty work on the bossdrops? i mean the darkness and gems from bosses
barren otter
yep, those are considered chamber rewards
primal hazel
It also counts for trove rewards tho
barren otter
does it though? I remember the money trove not being affected, not sure about gems and darkness
primal hazel
It depends on what the boon lists
F.e. chaos has one that only lists gems and darkness so only gems and darkness will be affected
barren otter
but we're talking about Ocean's Bounty
primal hazel
Could've sworn I also gotten more trove money out of it
frank dew
the chaos boon affects troves so might have been that
waxen comet
Eclipse affects all drops, Ocean's Bounty is chamber rewards
Though I seem to recall the latter working on Charon's shop, same with Life Affirmation.
I'm guessing shop items are considered room rewards.
solid cairn
flood shot
proven osprey
I like phalanx with Hera, parting shot brr
any duos for flood shot ?
Also, infernal or ?
unkempt pagoda
curse of drowning or blizzard shot
primal hazel
Infernal
unkempt pagoda
infernal, always
primal hazel
Blizzard shot or curse of drowning with poseidon aspect?
Are you kidding me
They don't even stuck
If you wanna play those then achilles imo
proven osprey
I don't know who to trust anymore
primal hazel
Obviously me
solid cairn
I wish black out had something to do with hangover
fading pecan
Does anyone really like Aspect of Hades? i’m wondering if I should spend the titan blood to try it
solid cairn
if it made the fog inflict hangover periodically that would be pretty sick
clever igloo
Any suggestion for poseidon aspect
@proven osprey I usually run Artemis shot plus poseidon for mirage shot + exit wounds
Blackout is already great
Huge damage buff
primal hazel
Hey got em
solid cairn
meaning pretty much not on the first hit
primal hazel
Blackout makes me sad
void fjord
@fading pecan aspect of hades is pretty good since on Lv 1 itself it boost your dmg signifcantly
primal hazel
Edit Wounds
solid cairn
Edit wounds
proven osprey
yeah I know it is the way
solid cairn
(edited)
proven osprey
(funny one)
fading pecan
@void fjord Thanks for your answer!
hot tartan
Whats the most deadbrain bow build if I dont have access to the hidden one? I hate using this weapon and I want to clear it already
primal hazel
Merciful End on fists
proud topaz
i'm pinning my hopes on the hidden bow aspect personally
Chiron is nice but it still is fussy
clever igloo
Hidden bow is nice and interesting but not the most powerful imo
Eh, I like blackout as it is, it makes splashing hangover useful on a variety of builds
Really nice with the zeus/dio duo
void fjord
@hot tartan hera bow, take dio cast and demeter attack or special
get their duo
ez hades claps
in this case infernal soul is better
hot tartan
dio cast?
void fjord
trippy shot
hot tartan
oh Dionisius
void fjord
or dionysus cast
hot tartan
duh
void fjord
yee
void fjord
athena cast is pretty good too if you can get her's and aphro duo
hot tartan
and i only need it to get the prophecy
proud topaz
i agree with ender, artemis forgive me
void fjord
lmao
clever igloo
Hunting blades is also good on hera
void fjord
ewww ares cast on hera
clever igloo
It works well
proud topaz
that sounds like fun, ngl
void fjord
at that point its better to use poseidon sword or achilles spear
void fjord
for that dmg increase on ares
primal hazel
Cause biggest damage bonus
void fjord
yessss my man
clever igloo
Not a fan of poseidon sword plus hunting blades
If I’m using poseidon sword I want to abuse exit wounds
primal hazel
Playing poseidon without stuck casts is a waste imo
void fjord
it is
primal hazel
If you're playing it for damage just use achilles
clever igloo
I agree hunting blades is better on achilles, but almost every cast is better on achilles than Hera
primal hazel
Now that's a hot take
clever igloo
Hera makes the blades spawn right on top of them
For maximum cut time
It’s useful
clever igloo
Yes but that wastes time while they’re tracking not hitting anythjng
primal hazel
You lose out on achilles damage buff
void fjord
well get upclose and personal and throw your casts
clever igloo
I’m aware of you don’t use achilles you don’t get achilles benefits lol
void fjord
achilles spear lets you do that easily
clever igloo
Yeah, but now you don’t have to
I’m not saying achilles isn’t better
I’m just saying it works reasonably well on Hera as well
void fjord
throw spear, rush towards it, throw cast and see number fly
clever igloo
... I know lol
void fjord
eh each to their own ig
primal hazel
It's a waste on hera imo
primal hazel
Paring shot is really nice on hera
proven osprey
it worked
clever igloo
It has some decent benefits on Hera
proven osprey
but I threw my run
clever igloo
And frankly, hunting blades is so good you could throw it on anything
primal hazel
Good one
void fjord
i got to know tho did they fix athena cast hitbox issue of always doing backstab dmg (with the aphro athena duo) no matter where you hit the enemy
clever igloo
And your only response is ‘lol you can only use hunting blades on achilles’
That’s dumb as hell
clever igloo
Guess so lol
primal hazel
Very rude of you
void fjord
lmao
clever igloo
I’ll just go delete my hunting blade Hera clears because you said it doesn’t work
Thanks for clarifying
primal hazel
I never said it doesn't work
void fjord
also nyaan can you answer my question
proven osprey
less than 32 heat does not count
primal hazel
I'm just saying it's a waste
You can do it
clever igloo
My statement was literally “hunting blades on Hera works reasonably well”
void fjord
i got to know tho did they fix athena cast hitbox issue of always doing backstab dmg (with the aphro athena duo) no matter where you hit the enemy
did they @cunning urchin?
cunning urchin
I haven't heard anything about that.
cunning urchin
I thought it's supposed to always get extra damage from backstab, anyway.
¯_(ツ)_/¯
primal hazel
What's the highest heat you have cleared with it?
proven osprey
it still gets the dmg
cunning urchin
Hunting Blades works on anything.
void fjord
was concerned
cunning urchin
¯_(ツ)_/¯
proven osprey
I was smashings things to bit
proven osprey
until dad destroyed me ofc
clever igloo
Hunting Blades works on anything.
@cunning urchin agreed
void fjord
F
clever igloo
I even agreed it’s best on achilles, but rolling stone just likes to pick fights for no reason
void fjord
@river wing athena cast or other casts?
river wing
it's still really strong. athena
primal hazel
...
clever igloo
I’m calm lol
primal hazel
Who's picking a fight here lol?
cunning urchin
Just move on, this isn't going anywhere. 
void fjord
this is the changing the subject text the changing the subject text
clever igloo
Nice going
@primal hazel
primal hazel
Oh what a nice changed subject
void fjord
(supposed to be in song but cant do anything abt that)
primal hazel
I would like to discuss that subject
cunning urchin
Yeah, let's change the subject.
So.
What do y'all think about Hunting Blades on Hera?
clever igloo
It’s good lol
primal hazel
void fjord
proven osprey
Pretty sure you can't buddy
river wing
it's good o.o
void fjord
well its horrible on beowulf last time i tried considering the cast only lasts for like half a second
river wing
zag sword so bad that relying on cast makes it instantly better 😉
void fjord
uhhhhhh
primal hazel
Someone got me
cunning urchin
I think Blade Flare or whatever it's called is pretty good.
clever igloo
I’m not a fan
void fjord
tru dat
cunning urchin
High damage.
primal hazel
But I thought you said hunting blades is good on anything? (No not taking to you nya)
What slicing flare again?
clever igloo
It is good, but I’m not a fan
void fjord
only freezing vortex is possible if im not mistaken on beowulf
clever igloo
I tried the ares cast on beowulf briefly
pliant anvil
didn't the most recent PC patch remove flares from being able to be a requisite for duo boons?
clever igloo
I didn’t like how the other ares boons interacted with it
river wing
it did, but you can still get it with the other requirements
river wing
which.. is unintended apprently. yea parting
clever igloo
Idk why they’d take that out even if unintended
pliant anvil
flares are stronger at base level and scale higher iirc. I don't think that's a good reason to remove it though
void fjord
only parting shot is not possible on beowulf
clever igloo
I don’t think Athena flare is even necessarily the best lol
void fjord
any other duo is cool
pliant anvil
@void fjord the most recent PC patch changed that
on switch you can still do it because it isn't updated
clever igloo
Are they removing the flares meeting the requirements for mirage shot?
Hopefully not, that’s usually what I run
void fjord
are you talking abt parting shot or other duos related to casts?
cunning urchin
No, you can get Mirage Shot.
pliant anvil
any cast that flares previously worked for without being specifically listed
clever igloo
That’s good
primal hazel
I'm wondering how long we have to wait in switch
clever igloo
I haven’t even seen a date
primal hazel
They never announce a date for that
rotund gust
what are good boons for guan yu
cunning urchin
A century or two.
primal hazel
I wanna play lucifer and talos
cunning urchin
But what's that to an immortal god, right?
primal hazel
Thanks for calling me an immortal god
void fjord
athena attack and artemis special @rotund gust
primal hazel
Compliment taken
river wing
parting shot still works on beo tho :B
primal hazel
On Switch
cunning urchin
@rotund gust mainly Heart Rend or Merciful End.
clever igloo
They never announce a date for that
@primal hazel how many patches did the switch get again?
river wing
it's weird like that.
cunning urchin
Deadly Flourish, Heartbreak Strike, Heart Rend.
river wing
maybe they'll fully remove it in the future
primal hazel
We are two patches behind
clever igloo
That’s not my question
cunning urchin
Curse of Agony, Divine Flourish, Divine Dash, Merciful End.
river wing
i mean on pc. you can still get it
cunning urchin
Yes, ME has the speedrun WR for Guan Yu at the moment.
pliant anvil
huh, alright then
river wing
using other requirements. like pasion dash + divine strike or something
void fjord
did you update your game @river wing?
primal hazel
That’s not my question
@clever igloo well that's the answer you're getting
river wing
yes.
primal hazel
Jk I dunno an exact number
clever igloo
I believe it’s zero lol
void fjord
tbf i barely play beowulf much less the shield
clever igloo
Which is why I’m wondering why you think they aren’t going to announce a patch date in advance
Given the patching process is totally different for consoles vs steam
primal hazel
Yeah ik
It has to go through nintendo
cunning urchin
I like at least we can be certain Switch will get those patches.
clever igloo
I would hope so lol
cunning urchin
If this was a AAA publisher, you could not be sure of that lol.
primal hazel
That would ffin kill me
clever igloo
I was pretty annoyed when diablo 3 stopped patching last gen
void fjord
i wonder if hades will be on PS5
primal hazel
Hades in switch 2
void fjord
just ping SGG or smtg and ask them ig lmao
clever igloo
Given the sales it’s possible they do more ports
But idk why it wouldn’t be on ps4 instead
There’s no reason I can see to have a ps5 exclusive version
cunning urchin
They changed game engines in Blood Price speficially to allow them to release it on more platforms more easily.
Surely they didn't go through the trouble only for Switch.
void fjord
thats true
they might be waiting to finish all the kinks and stuff in the game befor porting it to all consoles
cunning urchin
Well, for that and for performance.
void fjord
that too
well raytracing would be cool if possible on the new consoles lmao (for hades)
clever igloo
Maybe I’m wrong, but I cant imagine this not already being 60fps on PS4
Trials of mana ran at 60 for reference
clever igloo
With a ps5 you’d be able to play it anyway, thankfully
All games certified since July are required to run on ps5
proven osprey
no pose dash no sea storm 0/10
river wing
wow o.o that's... quite alot of boons
uncut mango
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Em4oKFUVQAE9jnn.jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Em4oKFRVoAAEIFQ.jpg
no pose dash no sea storm 0/10
@proven osprey all in due time
proven osprey
imagine getting lucky enough to get 3 epics and one legendary
at the end of tartarus
and not enough for a 2 stack which is basically a coin flip
river wing
the fates work in mysterious ways
cunning urchin
why 18 min ?
That's rude.
proven osprey
You're right
That's rude.
@cunning urchin Buuuuut they have a nice 10min on rail so I'm not too rude, just questionning out of curiosity
on what made the run longer than expected, giving Katehulhu amazing skills
cunning urchin
gray shore
Imagine being rude on a SP game discord
next thing you know
he'll be asking why you didn't do sub-7 min run
clever igloo
Is that even possible lol
split orbit
Thinking of a gimmicky/meme dash build. Would the hidden aspect for malphon be best due to extra dashes?
clever igloo
You could run merciful end on Gilgamesh
Which is kinda a dash build
And not gimmicky at all
opal lodge
it is possible i think
wr has close to a sub 1 tart
sub 3 asphodel is pretty typical for those insane runs
or low 3s
waxen comet
Which Attack morph is recommendable for Stygius, if any?
split orbit
Oh you mean daedelus upgrade?
waxen comet
Yep
split orbit
Hmm...
waxen comet
Emphasis on "if any"
primal hazel
Stygius? Which stygius?
waxen comet
Currently running Nemesis.
primal hazel
Double edge
waxen comet
Already packing Artemis
muted plank
Double Edge is the best, Breaching Slash aor Piercing Wave if it's not offered
waxen comet
That's the double Dash Strike, right?
waxen comet
Here I am being dumb with World Cleaver lol
waxen comet
Ye
cunning urchin
Dash Nova is great.
primal hazel
Since when?
cunning urchin
Since always.
primal hazel
Heard different stuff from jawless paul and/or Haelian I believe
devout ether
Dash nova is kind of the opposite of good
I came to this conclusion independently of youtubers! I am very smart
cunning urchin
lol it's far from not good. It's a free dash and Sturdy.
primal hazel
Cool thanks for insulting me
I didn't really like dash nova
It's just nice having popular opinion back you up
proven osprey
@proven osprey why did you never get sub 12?
@cunning urchin I did actually !
clever igloo
Haelian changes his mind on stuff constantly
opal lodge
lol how is that insulting
primal hazel
Why do you feel talked to?
opal lodge
lol
clever igloo
I mean
It’s fine lol
You can try something and see a side of it you haven’t before
primal hazel
Implying I haven't aight
clever igloo
But not even haelian expects everyone to take everything he says as gospel
cunning urchin
I think I disagree with Haelian on quite a few things lol. He's also a lot more interested in speedruns lately as far as I can tell, and it doesn't do much for that.
clever igloo
Yeah his ratings are a little skewed toward that, but not always
primal hazel
I just said more known people than me voices the same opinion and you seem to take it as me just blurting his opinion
Tf
clever igloo
What are you even on about now lol
cunning urchin
I can't even tell who you're talking to at this point or what you're taking offense by lol.
primal hazel
But not even haelian expects everyone to take everything he says as gospel
@clever igloo .
opal lodge
this is just his "thing" at this point
clever igloo
Yeah I can see that
waxen comet
Piercing Wave is hot garbage right
cunning urchin
Piercing Wave is great.
clever igloo
I don’t mind it if the other options are off build
opal lodge
its good for any non-arthur swords
clever igloo
It’s extra damage at minimum for attack builds
primal hazel
Neat
cunning urchin
The very best thing about Dash Nova is that you can get it on Excalibur now.
opal lodge
shadow slash doesnt do anything for non arthur tbh
cunning urchin
At least in the latest Steam patch. I guess not yet on Switch?
waxen comet
Does it inherit the crit from Artemis and Nemesis?
opal lodge
dash nova + excalibur is unironically great
primal hazel
Nope not on switch yet
waxen comet
Garbage
primal hazel
Are you talking about piercing wave?
opal lodge
but yeah the only three hammers worth any consideration on non arthur swords are double edge, piercing wave, and breaching
because those are the only three that work with dash strikes
all others only apply to standing attack combo
clever igloo
When I use sword it’s almost always poseidon
waxen comet
Ah.
clever igloo
So no comment lol
waxen comet
Well I already took Shadow Slash 
Though it's probably a good thing since I'm already using Artemis
Gotta do standing attack but ehh
It's damage
opal lodge
sword hammer tooltips are a hot mess
primal hazel
Wait
Shadow doesn't interact with dash strike?
primal hazel
They should really clean up some wording
opal lodge
youre preaching to the choir here
primal hazel
Cause sometimes attack stuff does affect dash attacks
Sometimes they don't
opal lodge
sword hammers and swift strike are the most egregious offenders
mighty ermine
wait, breaching does? ugh, i thought it didn't
opal lodge
it does i tested on nem yesterday
primal hazel
I generally would like more interaction
Beo just doesn't get a lot of duos
Cast ones I mean
Inherently
primal hazel
Same for like hestia shot
primal hazel
I like scintillating beo as much as the next guy
But I'd like to be able to get some other cast related duos
opal lodge
taking out parting shot?
split orbit
Merciful End and curse of longing are good together right?
primal hazel
Oh nice it just got sent twice
clever igloo
Discord is acting up right now
opal lodge
no ME and CoL dont really interact with each other well
primal hazel
No merciful end and curse of longing
You instantly trigger doom
So you don't benefit of off successive hits
primal hazel
Hallelujah
Just watching your scooter slowly bonk towards hades
I had the impression curse of longing isn't that great overall
Compared to just playing dire misfortune or ME
Maybe if you're doing ps on something
proven osprey
Sure thing
primal hazel
Only thing that looks sad is the exit wounds
primal hazel
I meant among the other rarities lol
proven osprey
I got an early rare crop
on cast
It was common
everything was apart from legendaries lol
proven osprey
it's pretty good indeed
primal hazel
Also switch still doesn't have the last two themes
What do you need to trade for them anyways?
Darkness and ...?
mighty ermine
ambrosia
mighty ermine
10 i believe
primal hazel
Oh lol expected more
mighty ermine
infinite is 25k darkness though, quite a sink
primal hazel
Ok nice then I can get it next year once the patch hits
Well it's called infinite xD
proven osprey
I'm working on it
primal hazel
Still need to upgrade my last mirror perk
Well aside authority
But why should I level thaz
proven osprey
level it all
primal hazel
It's fun(ny)
icy kernel
... I'ma build to seastorm I think
... yo how does Poseidon attack work with Explosive Fire >_>
okay the answer is "funny"
gray shore
infinite is 25k darkness though, quite a sink
@mighty ermine What do you mean it's a sink, I just reset my mirror and am back down to 4k darkness
totally worth
mighty ermine
lol, i took out darkness from fated authority to buy it because i pretty much never use FA anymore
very worth, very good theme
gray shore
i have a few dota friends who swear by FA
and I look at them funny
is it bad that I judge that they won't even consider FP
icy kernel
Oof... Triple Bomb, or Flurry Fire? I have like five poms on Tempest Strike...
primal hazel
Go for the funny
icy kernel
I went Flurry, probably the wrong choice, but I went for the funny
lol wtf this is actually good lmao
waxen comet
Flurry is very good for flat damage Attack boons
primal hazel
Not talking about flurry in general afaik
icy kernel
Aye but Flurry with Poseidon Attack makes the Funny Gun
primal hazel
Should play super soaker
icy kernel
Sadly I died
But I will say: both of those builds turn from memes into killing machines if you get sea storm
Sadly, the game gave me Unshakeable Mettle instead of sea storm :c
icy kernel
I mean, an extra 40 on every tick basically doubles the damage
primal hazel
I'm so mad at myself
I was saving up for the woodland theme
45 nectar in
Then I went to the broker to grade 6 diamond for Ambrosia to turn into titan blood
Accidentally used 30 nectar for 3 diamonds instead
And I only get like 1 or two nectar per run
Noticed it in elysium
No hades for me again today
icy kernel
rip
primal hazel
I mean, an extra 40 on every tick basically doubles the damage
@icy kernel oh boy is zeus gonna surprise you
You know that feeling of when you feel betrayed and realize you can only blame yourself?
icy kernel
Hmm? Is it not that good?
primal hazel
No because it's actually much better
So if super soaker meme feels good to you
Zeus is gonna be heaven
Olympus
icy kernel
Gods I wish I could actually get it
But uh... I can't use the mirror blessing that spawns duo boons until I beat Approval Process for the prophecy
primal hazel
F the prophecy
You get enough blood out of bounties
icy kernel
yeah but I want all the prophecies >_>
primal hazel
Zeus eris calling to yoz
icy kernel
;-;
ooh. I want Splitting Headache for Arthur: do I put Dio on Dash or Special?
Special is slow but I kinda want my dash for other things
unborn pebble
Radical: Dio Call.
icy kernel
It was grayed out because of Approval Process :c
icy kernel
Nope: the Routine Inspection means my last three mirror gifts are gonezo
clever igloo
You can still get rerolls from keys, but yeah
I hate that one
Less legendary/duos is just less fun as well
icy kernel
sigh... and my second hammer is between piercing wave, which is basically worthless on Arthur, and Dash Nova.
icy kernel
Shadow Slash is right there. Grayed out. Taunting me.
clever igloo
Once I got the prophecy I never used it again
icy kernel
That's what I'm trying to do lmao
clever igloo
Lol
icy kernel
get the bad ones done
clever igloo
Yeah I did the same thing
That last run doing those sucked
I lost mirage shot on achilles spear, not happy
icy kernel
TBH I don't understand Dash Nova at all.
clever igloo
I only ever even consider it on poseidon aspect
I haven’t taken it in a while though
Maybe it’s good on nemesis, idk, I find it fussy
clever igloo
Lol
icy kernel
nooooOOOOOO TINY VERMIN
waxen comet
Having trouble? Just use the flying pinball build. https://twitter.com/JuliKittyNS/status/1328463827663347714?s=19
icy kernel
wat is doing on
waxen comet
Breaking Wave deals damage and shoves enemies when they hit a wall.
Every knockback effect has a delayed second one with Second Wave.
balmy portal
pinball is amazing on rats
waxen comet
Beowulf's Aegis with Dashing Flight and Tempest Flourish has some absolute nonsense for knockback
Yeah, I was clearing Styx encounters with one or two throws
It was beautiful
waxen comet
It got me through most of them
Had a few misplays against daddy Hades and burned all three DDs
balmy portal
well yeah it'll get you through 🙂 Just the wall explosion doesn't really trigger
waxen comet
But seeing the Tiny Vermin get flung around the arena like a rubber ball was totally worth it.
Seriously, watch the video, it's golden
Tiny Vermin is the most frustrating boss I've fought so absolutely destroying it in such a dumb way was cathartic
balmy portal
I have two mechanics feedbacks!
-
Aphrodite's Crush Shot blastwave is too short range or too narrow, given the huge range penalty it takes. It would also be neat if it had a reduced cast time. Basically, it feels like way too much penalty for its current gains (The range when you add Blown Kiss feels fine, though).
-
The god-summoning trinkets (eg. Overflowing Cup for Dionysis) should keep offering you that god until you enter the room with that boon (So entering a shop but not buying it would still count, but seeing the entry and not entering it wouldn't). The trinkets are generally weak since they don't help outside of forcing that specific boon, and it's really bad feeling to get offered something like a chaos gate or hammer and know if you don't take the god's boon from the trinket it might not appear again later for you.
turbid needle
Trinkets don't perfectly force boon spawns but they are persistent until you take a boon.
They also increase chance for improved rarity.
waxen comet
Devs aren't exactly dedicated to taking feedback at this point, iirc, now that the game is officially out
Crush Shot used to have the range it currently has with Blown Kiss, and that was deemed too strong. Aphrodite is generally really strong, honestly, she needs to have some drawbacks.
I do agree about the god boons, though. Would be neat if they could force it a bit more.
balmy portal
the drawback of it being shorter range than the fists is more penalty than it needs, imo
mmm if they're persistent until you take one then that's okay
cunning urchin
You can already so easily force any build you want, any more than this would be too much.
balmy portal
but I can't ever imagine taking crush shot
???
being able to get the god a little more easily if you don't take them at the first offering is barely forcing it more than now
devout ether
Crush Shot is already very good, dont think it needs a buff
devout ether
God Keepsakes are already working as intended, not sure how you can think they're not incredibly powerful?
balmy portal
already explained how.
waxen comet
You do need to be practically kissing the target
But it already applies Weak and it's the highest base damage cast in the game
turbid needle
The boon will appear later, though.