h1-builds-and-combat

[icy kernel]

I got Zeus, idk if any of them are worth taking

[opal lodge]

depends on your hammers

[proven osprey]

aspect ?

[opal lodge]

and aspect yeah

[icy kernel]

Hades, B I G S P I N Hammer Upgrade

(i like to spin)

I shunted it over to the cast lol

[proven osprey]

I'd go artemis

[icy kernel]

True. I accidentally started with the wrong trinket, so i gotta swap when I beat the Fury

[proven osprey]

But Zeus with flurry jab would be fun and quick I think

but too bad you're on Hades

or Serrated point actually

[icy kernel]

I avoid anything that interferes with the ABS (Always Be Spinnin') system with Hades Aspect

[proven osprey]

@mighty ermine we got a serious case over here

[icy kernel]

why would i ever change the best technique

[opal lodge]

you know that hades spin doesnt do extra damage with the debuff right

[icy kernel]

yeah but it still spins up faster and does more range

[opal lodge]

the debuff damage applies only to special or regular attack

ok

just making sure

[mighty ermine]

i appreciate your spin enthusiasm keep it up

but also hades aspect needs to take advantage of the spin buff

by not spinning

sometimes

[icy kernel]

Aye, you spin to kill the armour and then stun-lock them in place with stabbing

after you've killed all the tiny enemies with spins you focus on the biguns

[grim dune]

how do ya'll play hades? Just scuff the run if you don't get spin hammers or what? It just feels so reliant on daddy daedalus to get the job done to me.

[proven osprey]

glad you asked so I don't have too

[opal lodge]

spin hammers are super redundant with hades aspect

[icy kernel]

TBH it's highly unlikely you don't get at least one of Quick Spin, Swift Spin, or Sturdy Spin

Any one of them makes the run viable; two just makes it insane

[opal lodge]

picking hades aspect is basically starting with a spin hammer anyway

just pick explosive launcher or serrated point imo

[proven osprey]

We need the lights of the fox one

[mighty ermine]

picking hades aspect is basically starting with a spin hammer anyway
this is a very succinct way to put it tbh

[opal lodge]

the voice of god

thank you tailesque

[proven osprey]

I'm taking notes

[opal lodge]

i will live off that high for about 2 minutes

[mighty ermine]

lol

[opal lodge]

are there any hammers besides those two that you like for it

[mellow quest]

Charged skewer is just really awkward because of the recall

[icy kernel]

I love Large Spin because it takes up the entire screen and you can dash with it TBH

[mighty ermine]

the strat of continuously spinning does still have merit in certain encounter rooms; the damage is still great for aoe even though it doesn't benefit from sweep debuff

[mellow quest]

It's particularly accentuated on Hades

[icy kernel]

It basically makes Styx a joke

[proven osprey]

what is the best hammer ? Any duo besides heart rend ?

[icy kernel]

In Asphodel... it kinda sucks lol

[mellow quest]

Chain skewer is honestly not that bad since you can sweep an entire wave but it is pitiful against single targets.

[mighty ermine]

i will say something that might raise eyebrows but: i do like flaring spin on hades now

not as much as serrated or exploding launcher

but its utility with stunlocking or getting rid of DC hearts before the actual spin is great

[opal lodge]

yes the dc hearts is nice

[mellow quest]

Flaring spin range is just really short I feel

[opal lodge]

the 50 heat video opened my eyes

[mellow quest]

I wish the flare increased with spin charge level

[opal lodge]

that would be a nice adjustment

[mighty ermine]

yeah, it requires some spacing to take advantage of the pulses

[opal lodge]

correct me if i'm wrong but it seems to stun unarmored enemies through the dc hearts

[mighty ermine]

it does

[mellow quest]

It does

[mighty ermine]

dc hearts eat damage, not flinches

[mellow quest]

But its 40 damage

Unscaling outside of crits

You will take forever to kill a styx rat doing that

[mighty ermine]

another weird, nice thing with flaring spin is that the pulse comes out so early in the spin charge that it occasionally feels like they come out even when you're normally dash-striking or attacking

you can do little spin cancels and a pulse or two will still release

[hollow bane]

which hammer upgrades are important if im going for crit, bow, excluding explosion

[proven osprey]

ok, flaring spin op

[unkempt pagoda]

twin and/or flurry

[mellow quest]

Twin shot

Flurry is weird

[mighty ermine]

explosive shot isn't really that great for crits

[mellow quest]

You either want it or don't

[opal lodge]

explosive shot isn't really that great for crits
@mighty ermine FTFY

[unkempt pagoda]

flurry is s tier for attack bow lol

[hollow bane]

eh, i like the extra damage it brings

[mighty ermine]

true lol

[mellow quest]

And it depends entirely on if you took hunter dash and have the potential for swift strike

[opal lodge]

swift strike doesnt apply to dash strikes

[icy kernel]

I got the Epic Hermes Attack Speed blessing 😄

[opal lodge]

just fyi

[unkempt pagoda]

you're given a high dps strike and are allowed to spam it plus you don't get carpal tunnel

[mellow quest]

Exactly

[icy kernel]

I'm gonna dumb-luck my way to victory once again

[mighty ermine]

explosive is okay with triple or twin if you don't like power shots, but on its own i just really dislike explosive shot

[unkempt pagoda]

which hammer upgrades are important if im going for crit, bow, excluding explosion
anyways, triple + chain also works

ez hunter's mark snowballing

[mellow quest]

My point is that hunter dash is often taken on bow and flurry is a waste. And so is attack speed since it doesn't affect dash strike

[mighty ermine]

triple + chain on rama is weird, btw. makes shotgunning more difficult with how they interact

[unkempt pagoda]

that's the trick

[hollow bane]

triple is the 2 angle shots right?

[proven osprey]

So for Hades you don't really care about spin hammers, you go for explosive/serrated ?

[unkempt pagoda]

you don't dash-attack as often when playing flurry bow

[mellow quest]

But if you have no hunter dash and hermes boons to see flurry is a real consideration

[mighty ermine]

So for Hades you don't really care about spin hammers, you go for explosive/serrated ?
@proven osprey yes. getting a spin hammer isn't the worst thing obviously but they're not needed

[proven osprey]

that's interesting

and once you got deadly strike your build is ok ?

[grim dune]

thanks for all the tips on hades, I'll give it another lookie tomorrow

also taking a look at your 50 heat hades video Tali! I thought I recognised your name from your awesome Rama runs! 🙂

[unkempt pagoda]

my favorite part of hades spear is when i get frustrated trying to mark a speeder enemy with a spin and just start spamming the explosive special instead

[icy kernel]

I just dash out of spin attack

[unkempt pagoda]

has the same energy as me trying to power-shot a shade to death instead of just quick pressing the attack button

[proven osprey]

Artemis package seems good enough for Hades

[opal lodge]

ah yes the classic

unleashing a 2k rama power shot on a 10 hp rat

[mighty ermine]

relatable lmao

[grim dune]

that rat had it coming

[unkempt pagoda]

rats deserve it

especially if you're playing dc2

[proven osprey]

How is heartbreak strike on Hades tho ?

it's gonna be hard no to insta pick charged skewer tho lol

[mighty ermine]

it's okay, but the punishing sweep damage is more than enough to make deadly strike a better option

[proven osprey]

Yeah I thought so, thanks

It seems to be a fun aspect

I mean you don't rely on a hammer

(hello GY)

And punishing deadly strike, then you're good to go

[still vigil]

deadly reversal or merciful end on fists?

which do you prefer?

[opal lodge]

merciful end

ive been thinking and

[bleak frost]

merciful end

easiest fists

[opal lodge]

it may be worth taking PP over true shot until you get ME too in fact

[grim dune]

I feel like merciful end might be a bit good on fists

[opal lodge]

just because taking true shot will give you a DR you don't want

over ME

[icy kernel]

all is well, i got sea storm. :3

[dry ember]

I feel like merciful end might be a bit good on fists
because it is. not as good as before, still good.

[grim dune]

DR is fine tho, I mean it's a good boon

yeah I know Fox 🙂

[bleak frost]

still pending on sword 32... got absolutely robbed at the end of two hades battles

[still vigil]

@dry ember wait. it was much stronger than before?

[dry ember]

yup

[still vigil]

??

[dry ember]

+50 damage instead of +40 damage

and Divine Dash was a prereq

[bleak frost]

ah ywah

[still vigil]

wow

[grim dune]

wish I'd played in those days lol

[bleak frost]

nowawadyas you NEED athena on attack or special

but you wanna USE it wiht dash

[dry ember]

yeah, that's kinda why nerf the prereq

it was too easy to set up

[bleak frost]

and the dash just wont come...

[brave mica]

to get faster speeds do shop and chaos skip "lvls"

[proven osprey]

yes

[brave mica]

thanks

[opal lodge]

@brave mica theres a whole guide with that sort of info on speedrun.com

[dry ember]

take chaos gate to save time
misclick +72% more enemies

[opal lodge]

midshop will almost always appear too and counts as a chamber

[proven osprey]

[opal lodge]

minibosses are also very quick compared to regular encounters

[unkempt pagoda]

the best way to save time on a run is to not start one at all

[dry ember]

also don't take chaos right before last shop

that actually increases your chamber count

[brave mica]

@opal lodge not trying to beat speedrunner just want to beat a friend

[still vigil]

that sounds dangerous

[opal lodge]

@brave mica why not both'

chaos chamber 12 is fine

or

yeah

chaos chamber 13 is sad

i only take chaos instead of end shop if i really need a chaos boon (e.g. stygian beo with only 1 cast stone)

[dry ember]

in fact, do you even want to take chaos over shop ever?

[unkempt pagoda]

chaos 13 is cheesed when you take enshrouded

[opal lodge]

i take chaos over shop if i really need something from master chaos but otherwise shop it is

[proven osprey]

Chaos takes half my hp

[brave mica]

@opal lodge xD im at 13:31 just need to get closer to 10. thanks for the site

[proven osprey]

I can't offer that much

[opal lodge]

ofc

the most chaos has ever taken from me is 48/50 hp

cursed 2/2 hp image

[proven osprey]

yeah

I meant the entering cost

[opal lodge]

ah yeah

[proven osprey]

Be me, 50 hp

[opal lodge]

the upside of 2/2 hp is that high confidence is always active :^)

or you're dead

[proven osprey]

yeah true

[dry ember]

wait wait

hear me out

what if personal liability shield has no cd

[grim dune]

the upside of 2/2 hp is that high confidence is always active :^)
@opal lodge that's a very positive way of thinking about it, and yet Positive Outlook will never be activated in that situation.

[mellow quest]

The past 2 times I went below 10 hp with that curse the next room was cloning speeder brimstone spam

[dry ember]

and it activates if you get hit by 100% damage

[opal lodge]

yeah i like my HP on high heat

[dry ember]

and you have 1 HP

[opal lodge]

but speedrunning i honestly dont care if it's not a boss fight

[still vigil]

im lookin at haelian run ME on fists and its kinda frustratingly crazy how fast things die with that build

even with common boons

[dry ember]

some speedrunning stuff might not necessarily apply to a casual run though

[mellow quest]

Me is just really annoying to set up

[opal lodge]

fair

im not recommending that anyone take a -48hp chaos curse with high confidence

[mellow quest]

And the damage still sucks if you're stuck with a common rarity doom application with no impending doom

[opal lodge]

just saying i thought it was worth for me at the time

impending doom is crazy

and the doom rarity is mostly why i use god's pride even for an ME build

[still vigil]

so is rarity > pom?

worry about pommin later?

[grim dune]

doom scales amazingly with both rarity and poms

[opal lodge]

for reference

common curse of agony is 50 dmg

common curse of agony with 2 poms is 101 dmg

epic curse of agony is 100 dmg

[icy kernel]

Hades Aspect + Giant Spin + Sea Storm + Poseidon Attack = the Don't Touch Me Zone

[opal lodge]

doom rarity matters a lot

poseidon attack

[dry ember]

but not like you can choose your rarity though

[icy kernel]

yeahhh I got Epic Pressure Points and then the Pom Flower upgraded it a few times so I really didn't end up needing Artemis' attack

[dry ember]

do people roll for higher rarity doom if they are given a common one?

[opal lodge]

yeah im just saying god's pride means you will be getting epic CoA more commonly

i dont roll

[dry ember]

oh yeah

fair

missed the god pride part

[opal lodge]

i just accept it won't be a fantastic run unless i get poms

[still vigil]

which aspect can i use with poseidon thatll give me the best knockback if i focus on him

[dry ember]

Eris?

[opal lodge]

yeah probably eris

[unkempt pagoda]

eris pos call

[grim dune]

supersoaker ultimate knockback

[opal lodge]

ive heard that shield knockback effects also get buffed by some poseidon boons but havent tested it myself

[icy kernel]

aaaaaand it didn't work

[opal lodge]

i know that breaking wave is impacted by shield knockback stuff

[icy kernel]

What would you say is the best weapon for a Forced Overtime run?

[silk hearth]

all of them work except for guan yu i think

[grim dune]

I kinda feel like if you use FO on everything all the time eventually you get used to it

it becomes the new baseline/normal

[icy kernel]

TBH it's too much for me lol

[grim dune]

eris is probably a decent shout if you like gun, it's extremely powerful and don't care about how fast the enemies are if they're all dead.

plus targetting system hammer helps slow stuff down

[icy kernel]

TBH if you can get the right bomb synergy... you just win the game.

Like if you get cluster rockets or something, game over.

especially if you've got Artemis blessings

[grim dune]

well yes rockets are glorious

[icy kernel]

... are Hazard Rockets a thing?

[unkempt pagoda]

nope

[icy kernel]

Alas...

[grim dune]

sadly not

hazard also disabled triple and cluster

[icy kernel]

in fairness Hazard is incredibly busted on its own

Once again: particularly when paired with Artemis

[dry ember]

hazard also disabled triple and cluster
i think i had triple and hazard before? not sure though

[grim dune]

it's plausible that I'm mistaken

[opal lodge]

hazard definitely disables cluster and rocket

[dry ember]

in fairness Hazard is incredibly busted on its own
DC Hearts laughing in a corner somewhere

[opal lodge]

typo sorry

[dry ember]

triple definitely disables cluster and rocket
I must have missed remembered then

like I said, not sure.

[opal lodge]

i dont know about triple and hazard

but the fact that hazard locks you out of the two best hammers on rail makes it pretty difficult to take

[unkempt pagoda]

triple and hazard shouldn't be exclusive tbh

let me hurt myself if i want to

[dry ember]

Ok, the wiki says Triple Bomb cannot be combined with Hazard or Cluster

must have been my imagination...

[icy kernel]

give me triple cluster hazard bomb you cowaaaards

[tawny meadow]

Wiki has a history of being wrong

[opal lodge]

triple cluster

[grim dune]

tbh Isaac would 100% allow that

[icy kernel]

if i dont deal 45 damage to myself when i attack? 0/10 worst game

[dry ember]

tbh Isaac would 100% allow that
Isaac allows you to take void Plan C

[grim dune]

exactly

[unkempt pagoda]

the most recent patch also removed hazard bomb from luci's pool 😔

[still vigil]

what

[icy kernel]

I realize I play Hades like a Tazmanian devil on stimulants but I can never get luci special to work for me

[still vigil]

i didnt know that even was a possibility

i wouldve tried that!

[tawny meadow]

I like Lucy as an idea but I honestly think it's the worst rail aspect

[dry ember]

I realize I play Hades like a Tazmanian devil on stimulant
I'ma steal that expression lol

Before 1.0, Lucy was the hot stuff.

[still vigil]

oh?

[dry ember]

How the mighty falls.

[still vigil]

what changed?

cause i played the moment it dropped on switch

[unkempt pagoda]

wasn't it the start-up time?

can't remember, honestly

[icy kernel]

Luci with Poseidon? Hilarious but not actually good

[tawny meadow]

I just think it was that people were sleeping on eris

[dry ember]

wasn't it the start-up time?
Probably, it was a stats nerf of some sort

[still vigil]

Luci with Poseidon? Hilarious but not actually good
@icy kernel that piddlin knockback it has makes me cry

[opal lodge]

I like Lucy as an idea but I honestly think it's the worst rail aspect
@tawny meadow i like lucy because it is the worst rail aspect

[dry ember]

And Eris was sitting at +60%, not +75%

[tawny meadow]

And it should have stayed at 60

[opal lodge]

speaking as someone with a 10 minute super soaker time lucifer legitimately made me use my brain

[dry ember]

Although we probably did sleep on Eris for a while.

[opal lodge]

which was a good change of pace from doing eris/ME fists runs

[tawny meadow]

I mean the speed runners didn't sleep on it but

[unkempt pagoda]

maybe a good 65%

[still vigil]

which was a good change of pace from doing eris/ME fists runs
@opal lodge change out ME and replace that with Aphro-focus and yer talking about me LOL

[unkempt pagoda]

the lucy changes going in the direction of the special instead of the laser went a long way in making it actually stand out lol

[tawny meadow]

No 60 was fine, people just don't wanna do the hit self with special

[dry ember]

I mean the speed runners didn't sleep on it but
Wait, iirc, before Bablo tests it at 1.0, almost no one was doing it? It was mainly SF Zag or Nemesis with a lot of routing.

[unkempt pagoda]

at high heat hestia was taking all the fame lol

[tawny meadow]

Nah it was being used but the patch had been out long enough that people had switched to routing

[still vigil]

so

more fisting questions

[icy kernel]

more fisting questions
@still vigil yo pause

[still vigil]

hm?

about malphon

[tawny meadow]

I love fisting

[icy kernel]

hades is a game for kids, guys

[split orbit]

So I'm looking to "optimize" my thumderdome aspect of Arthur vengeance build. I have to have a core from ares and zeus and I was wondering what would he the best ones? The other gods I'm gonna shoot for are aphro and athena

[icy kernel]

Points to Aphrodite Look! For kids!

[tawny meadow]

It's a game about hell...

[still vigil]

im talkin about malphon

whatre yall goin on about owo?

[icy kernel]

But fr what's your Malphinquiry

[opal lodge]

i thought we were talking about malphon too :^)

[dry ember]

hades is a game for kids, guys
The archetype of Meg, the relationship between Meg and Zag is 100% kid friendly.

But back to fistings stuff

[still vigil]

Meg Zag and Than

[dry ember]

What's the question

[still vigil]

polyamory fer the win

um

aside from zeus

[icy kernel]

if you forgot it i can't blame you

[tawny meadow]

Ares

[still vigil]

no

absolutely not

[icy kernel]

I like Demeter for the Fists.

[opal lodge]

the two popular builds for malphon are ME and zeus attack

[icy kernel]

Depends on the aspect I'm using, though.

[still vigil]

has anyone made a demeter build?

[icy kernel]

It does require you get the cold burst at 10 chill

[still vigil]

not the aspect

[icy kernel]

But if you do, it's very good.

[still vigil]

the god

ooooh

imma try that

[icy kernel]

Sea Storm is also very good, but a lot harder to get.

[tawny meadow]

I mean not that I know of. Especially not in the speed run community

[icy kernel]

Since Sea Storm bolts do 40 damage by default, whereas regular Zeus ones do a lot less.

[still vigil]

i never use artic blast, even tho its always offered at epic rarity cause it seems weak

[icy kernel]

Arctic Blast is good if you're using the gun or fists, and that's about it lol

[opal lodge]

percent damage is not that good on fists or rail imo

unless youre talking hestia

or special

[tawny meadow]

Yeah but you have to put posi on something and that's not really what you want on fists

[icy kernel]

TBH I usually build for the final boss anyways since I'm only at Heat 8ish

But yeah, Demeter + Arctic Blast is great on the fists.

Gilgamesh is the only one I can think you'd really need a different strategy for.

But weirdly enough, I actually like Ares on Gilgamesh Special.

It's not exactly optimal for speed but I can basically hit any regular enemy once and run away

[still vigil]

im thinkin along the lines of 32-40 heat unfortunately

qwq

[dry ember]

Guys, y'all wrong

[tawny meadow]

Gilgamesh feels awful... Requires more dangerous play than Eris gives 50% less buff and causes a 50% damage taken

[dry ember]

Boons are overrated

You don't need boons, at all

[icy kernel]

Gilgamesh isn't THAT great but it's fun

I usually go Gilgamesh or default for the extra dodge chance.

[still vigil]

@dry ember oh nah i need them

[icy kernel]

Plume + Zag Aspect are fun.

[still vigil]

i dun have the skill to do the stuff yall yellow named folx do

[fathom violet]

I like Talos + poseidon that knocks back on special -> tetherball combo

[dry ember]

Not me, the other Fox

[icy kernel]

Heh, tetherball

oh I can see how that'd work, that's funny

[dry ember]

Yank and yeet

[fathom violet]

love it against those big rats

[dry ember]

As it's also known

[tawny meadow]

Gilgamesh is exactly what makes me think the devs don't care about making aspects balanced across each other

[icy kernel]

Oh the aspects are not balanced at all lmao

Aspect of Arthur is the most hilariously broken thing in the game.

[still vigil]

but theyre fun right?

[icy kernel]

You need one boon to deal 1200+ damage with a single attack.

Oh yeah, even the bad aspects are fun IMO

[dry ember]

I think they balance based on usage?

[icy kernel]

Lucifer is terrible, but with the Poseidon boon it's a supersoaker.

[split orbit]

Best attack/special boons for aspect of arthur?

[tawny meadow]

They do that's why eris got buffed @dry ember

[icy kernel]

Best attack/special boons for aspect of arthur?
@split orbit Attack: Artemis
Special: who cares lol just spam your 1200 damage attack (but fr, I like Zeus)

[still vigil]

i just need the lag in between all the atks on gilgamesh to go

[dry ember]

Just about what I want to type @icy kernel

[tawny meadow]

Special is aphro and get heart rend

[still vigil]

wait

[icy kernel]

Honestly with Arthur just get as many crit-enablers as you can; doesn't matter the source.

[still vigil]

so are you tellin me ppl are actually main gilga @tawny meadow ?

[tawny meadow]

No

[still vigil]

oh...

[icy kernel]

I like Gilga, but it's bad lol

[dry ember]

Real talk Divine Strike Arthur is kinda fun

Not great

Fun

[tawny meadow]

Eris is easily the best aspect in the entire game

[icy kernel]

Yeah but Artemis + Arthur is the most "press button, receive bacon" build in the game

[still vigil]

personal, selfish request: make the hidden aspects that need love get love

pls

[dry ember]

Eris is easily the best aspect in the entire game
I mean for ultra high heat Rama is the hot stuff rn.

[icy kernel]

yes pls

TBH I can't handle Rama

My tiny brain cannot comprehend it

[tawny meadow]

@icy kernel you could always aphro attack get pp and hope for even more damage

[still vigil]

rama has so much power

it's kinda nutty

i heard they actualy nerfed it pre1.0?

[tawny meadow]

Yeah Rama special super good for taking out invincible phase

[icy kernel]

The one time I won with Rama I did it wrong

I used Rama Special + Zeus and spammed it rapidly at everything

I rarely used my attack

in fairness: it worked

[dry ember]

A valid way to play

That

[icy kernel]

I wanna try Rama Special + Stacking Doom

[still vigil]

like how a chunky bow walking around with a 1.6 atk multiplier?

how

[dry ember]

Until Amir decides that Thunder Flourish Rama is not worthy

[pliant anvil]

stacking doom is a meme imo

[icy kernel]

Not if you combo it with the Aphro Duo

[pliant anvil]

ehhh even then I think.

[dry ember]

Curse of Longing is a meme imo

[pliant anvil]

you delay your damage for maybe +10 doom damage (before modifiers)

[icy kernel]

TBH Aphro-Ares Duo is one of my fave Malphon builds but yeah, it's suboptimal

[shadow sequoia]

That’s how I do Rama, Aphrodite attack, ares special

[still vigil]

how is a lightsaber walkin round with a 40% eHP boost?
how

[icy kernel]

Yeah idk why they have the +50HP on Excalibur

[dry ember]

Curse of Longing is you. Merciful End is the guy she tells you not to worry about.

[icy kernel]

That seems... so stupid.

[pliant anvil]

it's slow

[still vigil]

so is gilga

[tawny meadow]

Rama dio special and aphro attack

[pliant anvil]

not as slow as arthur

arthur needs the defensive stats tbh

[still vigil]

not as powerful either

tbh

[icy kernel]

dude who cares if it's slow you kill everything in one attack

[pliant anvil]

eh... I wouldn't say it's weaker

[icy kernel]

You become a paladin

You smite all in your path

[still vigil]

eh... I wouldn't say it's weaker
@pliant anvil shame the devil tell the truth

[opal lodge]

https://imgur.com/HyHezq2

Re: curse of longing

[pliant anvil]

@still vigil harder to play != weaker in every case

[unkempt pagoda]

hr just says to me hunting rades

[still vigil]

ehh it doesnt but gilga as fun as it is

[pliant anvil]

fun is relative and not the same for everyone

[still vigil]

is pretty risky and weak

[tawny meadow]

The problem with CoL is that each doom does half the damage of the last one

[icy kernel]

Gilga is fun for me, but yeah, Arthur is waaaaay better.

[dry ember]

Heartfull Rend

[icy kernel]

I actually did my Butterfly Pin achievement run with Arthur, because I killed everything so fast it couldn't hurt me.

[pliant anvil]

crits on arthur can get pretty nuts yeah

[dry ember]

The problem with CoL is that each doom does half the damage of the last one
The problem with CoL is that ME exists.

[still vigil]

which makes glaring things about gilga seem even more unappealing if it aint fun to play

[unkempt pagoda]

there was a version of CoL early on that had no damage reduction and it was completely, utterly broken

[pliant anvil]

Ehhh... I think if they tweated CoL's damage it'd still be good

[icy kernel]

IMO they should make Gilga's maim damage hit faster

[silk hearth]

if it halves every time its essentially only 2x dmg no?

[pliant anvil]

i.e. if it did 80% of the previous one? or 70%?

[icy kernel]

and not make maimed enemies deal more damage to you

[pliant anvil]

just a less harsh drop off basically

[dry ember]

I remember when Spreadfire was the hotstuff

[still vigil]

i feel that personally even tho Rending claws can give spicier damage, id take breaching cross every time over it

[dry ember]

And people were arguing over it

Good time

[tawny meadow]

I mean there's a bunch of broken duos

[icy kernel]

yeah

[still vigil]

cause it does more dmg quicker

[split orbit]

Is poseidon good with Arthur at all?

[unkempt pagoda]

call

[icy kernel]

Is poseidon good with Arthur at all?
@split orbit The thing is Arthur is good with any boon

It's just... it's always better with Artemis.

[split orbit]

I have the choice of Athena or a Artemis poseidon room

[icy kernel]

ALWAYS Artemis.

[unkempt pagoda]

tempest strike is lol

[dry ember]

Is poseidon good with Arthur at all?
I like Oceans Bounty

[still vigil]

XD'

[icy kernel]

If you have the chance to put Artemis on Arthur's basic attack, do so immediately and without regret

Enjoy your 1200 finishing blows

[sonic mural]

is sea storm still best on eris gun?

[dry ember]

So far, yes

[sonic mural]

with heartrend i could get up to 5k on arthur lol

[icy kernel]

with heartrend i could get up to 5k on arthur lol
@sonic mural I believe it lmao

[split orbit]

Is stacking critical multiplicative or additive

[unkempt pagoda]

eris hasn't been touched since 1.0 dropped, so i assume so

[tawny meadow]

@icy kernel one could argue aphro attack is better with the percent increase if you get pp

[pliant anvil]

crit damage and chance are additive @split orbit

so heartrend is 450% total

[unkempt pagoda]

hr is 4.5x damage

[pliant anvil]

and a 5% crit PP with a 20% base crit is 25%

[icy kernel]

... PP?

[pliant anvil]

450% = 4.5x

pressure points

[icy kernel]

ahhhhhh right

[split orbit]

I haven't even gotten to furies and I already have hermes and Artemis attk at rare

[sonic mural]

depends on how ur big pp is tho

[unkempt pagoda]

yes i understand

[icy kernel]

Idk how % stacking works in this game lmao

[pliant anvil]

if it's not crit, it's additive

[sonic mural]

damage reduction is additive?

[pliant anvil]

so, a chaos attack boon for +50% damage and another god attack boon for 50% is 100% total

instead of 125% total

[unkempt pagoda]

dr is multi, i believe

[pliant anvil]

damage reduction is not additive

[still vigil]

???

have i been lied to?

[icy kernel]

apparently DR is inconsistent

[unkempt pagoda]

most offensive numbers are additive

[pliant anvil]

^

[icy kernel]

ahh

[pliant anvil]

Crit is the only exception AFAIK

[frail schooner]

dodge chance is additive tho

[split orbit]

So like how does Arthur special and god mode interact?

[pliant anvil]

multiplicatively

[dry ember]

with heartrend i could get up to 5k on arthur lol
@sonic mural those are rookie numbers

https://imgur.com/a/u9qzRch

[frail schooner]

Crit is the only exception AFAIK
Eris rail is global too lol

[icy kernel]

I think God Mode just ads a flat amount to everything?

[frail schooner]

And also the weak thing

[pliant anvil]

lets say both are 50%, and you take 100 damage. One reduces it to 50, the other reduces it to 25

[still vigil]

question how does aphro and arthur interact?

[sonic mural]

damn how

[primal hazel]

What

[dry ember]

idk, not my screenshot xD

[pliant anvil]

@frail schooner sweet surrenderis not multi iirc

it's a global damage modifier

[icy kernel]

Honestly someone could post a picture of Arthur doing 20K damage and I wouldn't be that surprised.

[tawny meadow]

Heart rend

[dry ember]

probably breaching slash + a bunch of chaos boons + etc etc

[opal lodge]

damage reduction cannot be additive as you could then get 100% DR

[frail schooner]

“rigged is not multi”

[sonic mural]

i had basically everything on my arthur build

[pliant anvil]

whoops sorry lol

sweet surrender is not multi

AFAIK

[opal lodge]

i need to test that

[frail schooner]

isnt it basically like eris

it even works on companion dmg

[pliant anvil]

Yeah, it acts like eris

it just isn't multi

it's additive

[opal lodge]

eris doesnt work on companion dmg

[still vigil]

what is the highest dr % a person can get without god mode?

[tawny meadow]

I mean than can back stab

[opal lodge]

you dont get +75% to your summon

[unkempt pagoda]

you should 💔

[frail schooner]

yeah but sweet surrender does

[opal lodge]

but companion damage is affected by sweet surrender and targeting system

[frail schooner]

pretty sure

[unkempt pagoda]

jk that'd be broke

[opal lodge]

which is why i think it's multiplicative but i'd need to lab it out

[pliant anvil]

do it anyways

I don't think it is, but it'd be cool if it was

I just can't see that being the case. If it is, urge to kill needs a big buff

[opal lodge]

it's the blind leading the blind until someone tests it in game

[dry ember]

is that a Streetcar reference or just a saying?

[opal lodge]

just a saying

[still vigil]

that bein said, someone clear fists using dio focus on 32 heat

so i can watch ofc

[dry ember]

hmm

[opal lodge]

blackout

[sonic mural]

.82 (different league) * .475 (weak) * .825 (bronze skin) * .5 (excalibur) = you take 16% damage @still vigil

[dry ember]

like druken strike and what not?

[opal lodge]

the most based boon

[primal hazel]

Also companion damage is affected by boiling blood or whatever the stuck damage cast is called afaik

[sonic mural]

i think

[still vigil]

like druken strike and what not?
@dry ember yes

cause dio dash is booty

[unkempt pagoda]

boiling blood is only attack and special

[primal hazel]

Tf is wrong with my eyes

[dry ember]

i can do boss fights clips

but im too lazy to upload a whole vid tbh

[primal hazel]

Could've sworn my batty randomly getting damage increases after cast lodge

[still vigil]

i can watch a stream @dry ember

[primal hazel]

Idk what else I had on me that would increase it

[pliant anvil]

it shouldn't

unless its bugged I guess

[primal hazel]

Ikik

[sonic mural]

wait plus myridian bracer = 90% damage reduction

[primal hazel]

If something did

[dry ember]

i can watch a stream @dry ember
except my internet is doodoo rn 😦

[still vigil]

tch

well when some1 does do dio focus on fists hmu

[icy kernel]

that bein said, someone clear fists using dio focus on 32 heat
@still vigil all of these people are on 30+ heat meanwhile I'm spamming spin attacks in 6 heat

[still vigil]

take yer time lol

have fun

[icy kernel]

I gotta stop playing for a while TBH; it's eating into my law school work xD

[primal hazel]

I dunno I prolly just need schleep

[dry ember]

I gotta stop playing for a while TBH; it's eating into my law school work xD
I'm in grad school also. But yolo???

[primal hazel]

Pff who cares about law school

Hades is forever

[still vigil]

school? in a pandemic? who he?

[dry ember]

well need to pay rent to play Hades?

life is hard

[still vigil]

you could

[dry ember]

people suck

😦

[primal hazel]

I'm in uni
Still continues during pandemic

Ever heard of online classes?

[still vigil]

nope

[primal hazel]

Good for you

[still vigil]

i thought those only exist in infomercials

to sell cds of the greatest hits

[primal hazel]

I wanna watch the channel with those infomercials

[dry ember]

Online classes are the most expensive streaming service I have ever heard

Yet not like I have a choice T.T

[primal hazel]

Seems like you need some sleep too

[icy kernel]

They still charge full tuition for online classes.

[sonic mural]

I wanna watch the channel with those infomercials
easy just record ur zoom class

[primal hazel]

Yup

[still vigil]

They still charge full tuition for online classes.
@icy kernel the sheer disrespect

[primal hazel]

If I record my classes then I won't watch them lol

[icy kernel]

I was unemployed and out of school for all of last year and they picked THIS year to have a global pandemic!?

[dry ember]

^

[sonic mural]

i mean technically you can still ask questions and everything and they give lectures

so its kinda the same

[icy kernel]

smdh

[primal hazel]

It's more comfy

I can just get drunk during class

[dry ember]

i mean if you are in school this year, then it means you dodge a bullet

[primal hazel]

What f they gonna do

[dry ember]

hard to find a job rn

[still vigil]

i dun see how takin school to my house is comfy but im glad it's workin fer ya

[primal hazel]

Cause you don't have to go there

[sonic mural]

all tests are open book tests its nice

[icy kernel]

... I've had a bad year lol. I got mononucleosis in October, broke up with my GF in January, tore my ACL in February, and COVID hit in March. xD

[frail schooner]

yeah i really hate online classes

[primal hazel]

You can do whatever during class

[dry ember]

... I've had a bad year lol. I got mononucleosis in October, broke up with my GF in January, tore my ACL in February, and COVID hit in March. xD
just another Thursday for 2020.

[primal hazel]

I can just have them open on my phone and cook or play hades

[still vigil]

it was stressful fer me graduating this year tbh

[dry ember]

hang in there brother

[frail schooner]

not me already being drunk in in person classes

[icy kernel]

gratz on graduating

[opal lodge]

i also graduated this year

our ceremony was a zoom call

very budget stuff

[primal hazel]

Sick

[still vigil]

grats on the pandemic grads

[primal hazel]

Sucks having grads in pandemic

[opal lodge]

luckily i have this whole year off before med school starts

[still vigil]

NOT A ZOOM CALL ☠️

[primal hazel]

Glad I at least hat a real graduation party

[opal lodge]

NOT A ZOOM CALL ☠️
@still vigil it was actually so funny i cant even be mad

[dry ember]

graduated college in 2019.

just in time to have a decent senior year

[primal hazel]

Hah

[dry ember]

god bless

[primal hazel]

That was funny

[still vigil]

i had my exit show on Instagram @opal lodge

[primal hazel]

Live cams don't count

[still vigil]

after years of plannin otherwise

[icy kernel]

I also graduated in 2019, actually.

... My senior year was pretty chill because I had a reduced class load lol

[opal lodge]

LOL i think IG might be sadder tbh

not sure

[icy kernel]

I had a bunch of extra credits bc I switched programs

[primal hazel]

100$

%

Frick

[dry ember]

well hang in there folks, 2020 is almost over.

[primal hazel]

Not like it's gonna get better

[icy kernel]

yeahhhh we're going through second wave here

lockdown is back :c

[primal hazel]

At least not till mid of 2021 at least

[dry ember]

it can be. just need to get through this year first.

one step at a time

[primal hazel]

@icy kernel Yo you in germany my dude?

[icy kernel]

Damn FoxHOPE really living up to his name

Thanks, tho

[sonic mural]

where im at lockdown never ended xD

[icy kernel]

no, I'm in Toronto lol

[sonic mural]

there cant be a second wave if there was never a first wave ending

[primal hazel]

Huh similar patterns ig

[icy kernel]

I mean yeah it's getting worse again as of a few weeks ago like...everywhere

And TBH people predicted it.

[primal hazel]

It's cause of all the idiots immediately traveling again

[opal lodge]

there cant be a second wave if there was never a first wave ending
@sonic mural real US mindset right there

[primal hazel]

Who could've known that dropping all caution would raise numbers

[sonic mural]

exactly we US people are smarter than the rest of the world

[icy kernel]

I've been shooting hoops at an outdoor court and I'm praying nobody around there has given me the COVID

[sonic mural]

everyone else is having second waves

[dry ember]

exactly we US people are smarter than the rest of the world

[sonic mural]

xD those losers

[frail schooner]

zoom classes are the great equalizer. even harvard has become the university of phoenix

[opal lodge]

imagine not being number 1 in something

kek

[still vigil]

there is a second wave and its the boon no one ever takes

[dry ember]

back to back world war champion xD

[primal hazel]

The only reason the covid numbers in us are so high is because they tested too much

Smh

[opal lodge]

we have to be number one in everything even COVID cases

[dry ember]

it is what it is bro

[primal hazel]

there is a second wave and its the boon no one ever takes
@still vigil wtf

[sonic mural]

yah if we didnt test everyone our covid cases would be 0

ezclap the virus

[primal hazel]

See that's what ghana did

[dry ember]

testing causes covid

where is my Nobel Prize?

[unkempt pagoda]

guys if ur sick with covid, just find a nearby cure fountain duh

[sonic mural]

yah even if we die we still have 3 dd left

[primal hazel]

So just a rusty sinkM

?

[still vigil]

or replace the "c" with an "n"

[icy kernel]

NOVID

[unkempt pagoda]

covid is what happens if zag doesn't clear out the satyr infestation in time

[sonic mural]

once we're in the underworld if we ever die to covid, we all have the skills to escape

[icy kernel]

well i dont have COVID so I think it worked, Gelata

[still vigil]

ty

[dry ember]

well, Covid allows me to justify playing Hades all weekend instead of going out

[still vigil]

gimme my nobel

[primal hazel]

Sad

[dry ember]

ty Ms. Rona

[still vigil]

now equalize these pay rates

[primal hazel]

I mean sad that you need covid to neglect everything for hades

[icy kernel]

Her name was RONA
C-O-R-ONA

[primal hazel]

The game and this discord deserve more from you

[icy kernel]

I'm very glad this server has a Dusa emote

[still vigil]

[primal hazel]

Hermes emote 2020

[icy kernel]

she's so cute i love her so much

[still vigil]

i love chocolate croissants too

just had one

[icy kernel]

||Even though there's a chance she's like, Actual Medusa||

[dry ember]

apparently Meg and Dusa share the same voice actor

[primal hazel]

Smh people that love dusa haven'ts seen bouldy yet

[still vigil]

what's there to see?

[primal hazel]

What's there not to see

[opal lodge]

dusa and aphrodite have the same VA i thought

[dry ember]

really?

oh well

[icy kernel]

apparently Meg and Dusa share the same voice actor
The VAs in this game are crazy talented. Apparently some of them are also the devs lol

Imagine programming and voicing this masterpiece.

[primal hazel]

Cutting down costs

[still vigil]

imgine makin the music of a game and bein a VA

[opal lodge]

yeah courtney vineys lol

[primal hazel]

Also singing

[opal lodge]

she did both aphro and dusa LMAO

[dry ember]

SGG I volunteer to voice act for free

[still vigil]

This

[icy kernel]

Courtney also did Meg

[primal hazel]

Resident evil level dialogue incoming

[still vigil]

resident evil?

[dry ember]

Insert Zero's What am I fighting for

[icy kernel]

"hi im my original character Dan the Shade"

[primal hazel]

I wanna voice bouldy

[still vigil]

is that a hospital game?

[icy kernel]

I voiced Bouldy

[primal hazel]

...

[icy kernel]

well... can you prove I didn't voice Bouldy?

[primal hazel]

...

[still vigil]

...

[icy kernel]

...

[primal hazel]

...

[icy kernel]

damn our impressions are top notch

[still vigil]

...

[primal hazel]

...

[sonic mural]

...

[primal hazel]

. . .

[sonic mural]

. . .

[still vigil]

i think bouldy likes you!

[primal hazel]

|| ...||

[still vigil]

[primal hazel]

I'm sry that was too nsfw

[icy kernel]

[still vigil]

tryna rock the boat i see

[primal hazel]

Didn't mean to show that to anyone

[still vigil]

now

here's a fun fact:

[primal hazel]

Oh cool

Didn't know that

[still vigil]

ikr?

[primal hazel]

Why did you delete it so fast?

[still vigil]

you have to use blacklight to see it

but seein as you have no hands

[primal hazel]

I'm afraid to use blacklight in my room

[still vigil]

[primal hazel]

[pliant anvil]

Man, the game DOES NOT want me to test sweet surrender.

[primal hazel]

reroll?

[pliant anvil]

already used 5 dice

but I've only found 3 aphro boons :/

[still vigil]

aphro is the goddess of love after all

[primal hazel]

But you can only have 4

[pliant anvil]

not if you find a key

[primal hazel]

Oh rlly?

[still vigil]

i remember when i had a 30% SS

it was good stuff

[primal hazel]

Old times?

[still vigil]

nah

just pommed up epic rarity

[primal hazel]

I didn't mean pre 1.0 with "old times"...

Figure of speech yk

[still vigil]

oh...

english is hard

qwq

[primal hazel]

Everyone has different backgrounds lol

[still vigil]

still hard

qwq

anyways

fun fact: aphro is the best god

demeter if ya get certain things

but that's just a theory

[pliant anvil]

a game theory?

[primal hazel]

X

[opal lodge]

oh that reminds me

i have sweet surrender

[primal hazel]

Oof

[opal lodge]

i already missed PB pace so i'll test it

[primal hazel]

demeter if ya get certain things
@still vigil now that's a blanket statement

[opal lodge]

have to remind myself not to kill enemies lol

[still vigil]

im just stating cold facts

[pliant anvil]

damn, all the way to elysium on a second run and I ahven't gotten more than the one forced aphro boon :/

[hollow bane]

good shield special build besides zeus? lol

[stark ore]

Clearly Tempest Strike is the best boon

good shield special build besides zeus? lol
Zeus Zeus or Chaos Zeus

[hollow bane]

lol

[stark ore]

Fr though Artemis/Athena on Zeus or Dio on Chaos can work wonders

[primal hazel]

Guess it's not a hot take then

[hollow bane]

i ran zeus demeter

[still vigil]

tempest strike is good cause ya cn replace it with another boon of higher rarity

[primal hazel]

No the aspect

[hollow bane]

atermis special on shield?

oh

[primal hazel]

ME on zeus or thunder flourish build ez win

[hollow bane]

didnt read

yes

zeus shield anything is a won run

broken

[primal hazel]

No

[hollow bane]

to me it is

.>

[primal hazel]

Well depends on the heat

[hollow bane]

im still on low heat so idk yet

.-.

[primal hazel]

Then everything on everything is a win

[hollow bane]

true i gues

[still vigil]

try poseidon on zeus shield-that opinion will change real quick XD

[hollow bane]

s

[primal hazel]

try poseidon on zeus shield-that opinion will change real quick XD
@still vigil or tempest strike on gy

Also very fun

Or on beowulf

[hollow bane]

i ran a poseidon on zeus fists with

worked nicely once i got their duo

[still vigil]

zeus fists?

[primal hazel]

Wat

[still vigil]

huh

[hollow bane]

wat

[primal hazel]

I'm confused

[still vigil]

same

what do ya mean by poseidon on zeus fists

[opal lodge]

so now im really confused by sweet surrender

[hollow bane]

i ran zeus attack with poseidon special

[opal lodge]

but i should test it with less variables in play

[hollow bane]

<.<

[pliant anvil]

Oh? What happened?

[primal hazel]

Ah ok

[still vigil]

ahhh

okok

[primal hazel]

It's fun on demeter

[opal lodge]

33% damage increase on weak opponents 💀

[primal hazel]

Fists

[opal lodge]

on a 21% sweet surrender

[pliant anvil]

weird AF

[opal lodge]

normal attack was 174

normal attack vs weak opponents was 232

[primal hazel]

No other increasing factors?

[still vigil]

a bloodstone?

[pliant anvil]

nah they said there were other factors

[still vigil]

ah

[opal lodge]

yeah theres lots of other factors so i think i need to retest on a clean run

[pliant anvil]

maybe... it increases all damage increases too?

I have no idea how it got that number

[still vigil]

thatd be nasty

[opal lodge]

that would be consistent with targeting sys

[primal hazel]

Should be additive still right?
Well as far as we no rn

[opal lodge]

need to test on a clean build

[pliant anvil]

If I didn't have it on the switch, I'd download the boon giver mod I've heard about

[primal hazel]

So ahm if you find something out can someone @ me
Cause I need 2 sleep

[still vigil]

whaaa

there's a boon mod?

lucky

[pliant anvil]

I've heard there is

[still vigil]

qwq

[pliant anvil]

I haven't looked into it at all though

[edgy sundial]

HOLY CRAP

I JUST

I JUST ONE SHOT THESEUS WHEN HE HAD LIKE 20% HEALTH LEFT

[pliant anvil]

nice

that'll teach him

for a little bit at least

[edgy sundial]

HMMM

What if I told you

I

I just killed the king vermin in 5 sequences of swipes

[icy kernel]

lol, Arthur/Artemis?

[edgy sundial]

Yes

and hoarding slash

and exposed

and privledged

Oh yeah, also swift strike

Did I mention greater evasion?

oh yeah, the cyclops jerky select helped a bunch as well

Oh man, clean kill was there too

I'll show you later when I attempt to kill redacted

[icy kernel]

hahahaha I had something like that on one run

I got a screenshot... somewhere.

[still vigil]

the more i lose with gilga on 32 heat the more i wanna just switch to demeter qwq

[icy kernel]

lol why dont u

[edgy sundial]

ok, posted it there, if you wanna see the build

that is

[still vigil]

cause i wanna prove at least one time i can win on a wep that i like even tho it's not that great qwq

without having to use ME

[edgy sundial]

Dw bro

I'm not even at the level to go to 32 heat

[still vigil]

qwq

it's more of a personal goal

to make somethin work even it's not the best thing since betty white

[tawny meadow]

I really wish ares and demeter duo was not awful

[pliant anvil]

I need to get that duo still but I'm too lazy

[dry ember]

the amount of damage blade rift does without support is depressing

[pliant anvil]

yeah

[still vigil]

@tawny meadow well ares outside of niche builds is awful so...

[pliant anvil]

and even with damage buffs from like, achilles it then has the problem of being slow and having to get close to use it

it really only picks up once you get hunting blades

and if you don't, big oof

especially if you don't get any of the support boons for it

[knotty flint]

Is there a guide or a website that breaks down which boons go well together? I just found out that this can happen

[tawny meadow]

uhh not that I know of, I just kind of look at what speed/challenge runners are doing

[pliant anvil]

I think there's a speedrun guide that describes some combos on specific weapons

[unkempt pagoda]

there’s a basic build guide pinned somewhere in #h1-for-new-players iirc

[pliant anvil]

Oh yeah, that too

[unkempt pagoda]

but understanding general “build theory” comes from a bunch of practice and knowledge

[pliant anvil]

yeah. Best way is to actually try some of the builds out, and get a handle on mechanics imo

i.e. how damage stacks or certain things the game doesn't tell you like zeus bolt CDs

[unkempt pagoda]

experimentation is the best teacher

and a thriving gaming community, too

[river wing]

never thought about it before.. but it's kinda weird TD goes down by 2mins each. why not 1. it's a pretty big jump from 28 -> 20.

[dry ember]

This is my guess but I bet it was a remnant of the old TD2.

Most of the time people who do old TD2 finish in less than 20 mins, but the timer was disproportionate.

So the new TD3 was born as a compromise. The 5 min mark was so a run can hit that exact 20 mins mark which is, I would argue, "typical" with the old TD2.

Again, just my guess.

[still vigil]

im not salty that i got all the reqs fer DR and didnt get it the whole run(once again)
but got ME in asphodel 1st chamber

not at all

[pallid panther]

God I am in love with Aspect of Beowulf

[opal lodge]

join the club

there are dozens of us!

[turbid needle]

What's everyone's favorite dionysus-centered builds?

[boreal prism]

I like to put hangover on chiron bow special

You almost immediately get maximum stack hangover on your chosen target

Or 1 hangover on a spread of targets

[opal lodge]

you like pressing a lot of buttons? ive got the build for you

dio attack on talos

get the cast

get demeter special for ice wine

your ultimate goal is to get the least used boon in the game, blackout

it's honestly a lot of fun but not as good as i'd hoped

as "dio-centered" as you can get though

you can also take passion dash for insurance if you want to go the low tolerance route

[turbid needle]

I need black out for the fated list ,sounds like a sick build for the legendary

Chiron also sounds good for putting down the stacks quick

[opal lodge]

your special on talos also makes enemies take more attack/cast damage

just in case you're not a big talos user

[turbid needle]

I usually run demeter so I forgot about that

That's pretty big considering the huge base damage of dios cast

[opal lodge]

ice wine also makes it basically insta cast

so pre-ice wine you cast, then pull them into the cast, post-ice wine you pull them and then cast

if that makes any sense

[warm snow]

Does Deadly Strike work well with Lucifer?

anyone?

Also, does it work well with Malphon?

[stark ore]

Deadly Strike works decent with Lucifer, but you mainly wanna run Zeus

As for fists, it can work but Demeter, Athena, Zeus, or Dionysus are usually better picks imo

Also Ares if you get Merciful End

[warm snow]

Ah!

and what about the water gun?

Lucifer with Tempest Strike?

[stark ore]

Good if you get Sea Storm, but tbh it's better to just take Zeus in that case

[warm snow]

Thx!

[stark ore]

Np!

[warm snow]

I max upgraded all 24 aspects yesterday.

299 runs

[waxen comet]

What's everyone's favorite dionysus-centered builds?
@turbid needle I enjoy Hangover setups the most, even if they're finicky to get going.

Hangover scales almost linearly with Poms 👌

And then there's Aphro or Ares duos to really get them ticking

[tawny meadow]

I like ice/feast set ups on occasion but the rng needed isn't fun

[opal lodge]

no and somehow both runs i tried blackout talos i got a second dio boon or demeter in tartarus

it was definitely very lucky

[tawny meadow]

Talos would be a lot better if the pull interacted with special boons

[river wing]

talos pull with Poseidon 🙂

[olive spruce]

just had a really fun zagreus spear build with aphro special/artemis attack, vicious+charged skewer, and heart rend

also used the black shawl keepsake for extra damage

[magic stone]

The game is getting boring is there any fun weapons and builds with it to use?

[olive spruce]

which weapons haven't you tried yet?

I had a really fun blizzard shot run earlier today

[magic stone]

I’ve used all the weapons

[calm bluff]

I'm just prophecy hunting at this point to give me somethign to do

[olive spruce]

would have been even more fun with a cast-focused weapon

[magic stone]

Oh I’ve done all prophecys

[calm bluff]

rip

[magic stone]

Actually I’ma try an Ares chaos build

[olive spruce]

that's one of my favourite builds

[calm bluff]

i'm still waiting on my first mystery aspect to unlock

[olive spruce]

I like the fourth aspects of the sword and the fists a lot

[calm bluff]

i'm considering doing suicide runs just to get it to happen. apparently winning all the time just makes them never have the dialogue

[olive spruce]

have you invested the necessary titan blood?

[calm bluff]

i have every zag aspect maxed

[olive spruce]

ah that's your problem

[silk hearth]

u need non zag aspects unlocked

lol

[calm bluff]

oh

well i'm dumb