h1-builds-and-combat

[dry ember]

I would go dem fist if you want speedrunning Tartarus only (for story sake).

with lightning strike you should cleave through most things

[flat laurel]

hmmmm, ok. in the end tartarus is a joke either way, I'm just looking at minor speed increases in the end

[worn folio]

Does anyone have tips on the rail? It's a fun weapon but I've yet to find a build that actually feels powerful

[dry ember]

different rails play differently

do you have an aspect in mind?

[worn folio]

I have Eris and Lucifer unlocked

[flat laurel]

if you get the rocket special + 5 special shots at -30% you delete everything. but it is a RNG dependent build

[gray shore]

Hazard bomb also is a good shout

for lultastic damage and exploding rooms

[dry ember]

with Eris you can try the speedrun strat with Lightning Strike + Poseidon Dash + Seastorm.

[flat laurel]

Eris + any % increased special (Aphro, Demeter being my favs) + 1 good special hammer usually stomps everything

[gray shore]

with Eris you can try the speedrun strat with Lightning Strike + Poseidon Dash + Seastorm.
@dry ember Does it matter what special you take, or is Arty just the go to anyway

[turbid needle]

Wouldn't you want Aphrodite for the special ?

[dry ember]

well hammers matter more than boon for spec imo

[turbid needle]

^

[dry ember]

but arty or aphro is best

[gray shore]

never tried Aphro special

[dry ember]

although i would focus on say cluster rocke

[gray shore]

but makes sense

mostly been playing Lucy because Eris bores me

[dry ember]

and slap just about any spec on that, (maybe not Zeus)

[turbid needle]

Zeus special on the rocket is ok

[worn folio]

Lucifer works for me until Styx

[turbid needle]

The one you don't want is Dio, unless you get Cluster, maybe

[keen hazel]

I would say Arthur is good for Tartarus clears. You basically only need arty attack to clear it in a couple min

[dry ember]

Zeus special on the rocket is ok
ok. that's fair. tbh i have limited exp with zeus spec on eris

[turbid needle]

Compared to everything else, it's nothing like what you want

Artemis and Aphro are best for damage

Athena is nice utility too. Ares is basically a better zeus for the single special lol

Demeter is ok

[dry ember]

although if I see Zeus, I would roll for jolted or storm lightning/legendary

[turbid needle]

And dio is eh

[dry ember]

but you have options.

tldr

[turbid needle]

Don't bother much with the special for eris

[gray shore]

Thank you

that is definitely interesting

I'll give sea storm build a try next time

[sweet heath]

does spread fire overwrite empowered shot?

[dry ember]

Empowered Shot from Hestia?

no

In fact if you reload,your first shot will have higher range with a shot gun spread also

so Spread Fire does add a bit of damage to your build, albeit not a lot.

[sweet heath]

interesting ty

[opal lodge]

i'm not gonna argue about rush delivery but if you're running god's pride getting epic hyper delivery is just +100% damage

if you think it's overrated you think it's overrated

[untold iris]

rush delivery is always on because every player who has played this game for more than a few hours constantly spams dash like a madman

[split orbit]

Any fun but good builds anyone can recommend? I have aspect of poseidon sword, Achilles spear, chaos shield, hera bow, Zagreus fists, and a non upgraded rail (I dislike the rail)

[torpid abyss]

What do you think is the best weapon for Zeus Special?

[hoary slate]

Chaos Shield probably

[stark ore]

Zeus/Chaos Shield

[torpid abyss]

Each shield of chaos triggers it?

[flat laurel]

Yep, just get nothing but Zeus. Double Strike, Jolted, his legendary, almost any duo boon

[hoary slate]

There's a small cooldown so not on the same target no.

[flat laurel]

Poseidon cast on poseidon sword is also fun. Arty dislodge boon is a must

chiron bow is also very strong if you are looking to unlock something. put a dio on your special, aphro on your attack

[torpid abyss]

Man is it just me or flamewheels were added as a joke?

[unborn pebble]

So I just tried out an Artemis Cast, Athena Attack, and Aphro Special Beowulf build.

It does not work 😦

Well, it didn't for me, at least 😦

[cunning urchin]

Her cast is kinda bad on Beowulf.

[unborn pebble]

Hunter's Flare is underwhelming, yeah.

I can see it working for a Poseidon Sword or Hera Bow build.

[cunning urchin]

Pretty sure it has worse AOE than base cast lol.

[unborn pebble]

But that's about it :/

Base 50, Flare 55

And yeah, the AOE is sheit

[torpid abyss]

Oh you can try to use the Bow instead

Attacking from afar means enemies won't be near you and can't hurt you

[unborn pebble]

Yeah, will either try to go Athena Attack+Dash, Arty Spec, Aphro Cast build, instead.

So I guess I force Aphro first then, unless Darkness wants me to go Bow first...

[split orbit]

Goin for a chiron special build. Pointers?

[unborn pebble]

Ohh, the right hammers can enable so many builds on Chiron.

How upgraded is it?

6, 7, or 8 arrows on the special?

[split orbit]

Lvl3

[torpid abyss]

@split orbit Dionisus is the most consistent

[unborn pebble]

So 6.

[torpid abyss]

However

You can also go Ares

[unborn pebble]

Yeah, Dio is very consistent.

Mmmmm

Ares.

[torpid abyss]

With that one boon that increases Doom damage per hit

That's the only way it can be good, tho

Otherwise it's underwhelming damage

[split orbit]

I though about arty support fire, but idk if it fires an arrow per special shot...

Or just per special use

[torpid abyss]

Artemis support fire is a must in Chiron

[river wing]

the boon that increases doom per hit is very underwhealming

[unborn pebble]

Aphro Attack + Ares Special + Relentless Flurry (more arrows) and Piercing Flurry (pierce and bonus vs armor)

[split orbit]

Yeah it is glass

[torpid abyss]

For attack on chiron, i like Aphro

[split orbit]

Why aphro?

[torpid abyss]

Any rarity, you just want Weak

Since you will be spamming special

[unborn pebble]

Reduced damage from enemies

and duo boon with Ares

[split orbit]

Ah the duo...

[unborn pebble]

Yup

[torpid abyss]

Taking less damage means it's harder to die

[unborn pebble]

Defence and Duo

[torpid abyss]

I call this technique "brain usage"

[river wing]

i've done poseidon sea shock chiron, it's pretty funny

[unborn pebble]

Also, Doom Stacker (any rarity) + rare or better Doom Delay

And Hermes Special Speed? Mmmmmm

Oh, Sea Shock isn't hampered by the internal cooldown?

[river wing]

it is

it's basically super soaker, but with bow

[unborn pebble]

OH! Another fun thing for Chiron, it really likes Support Fire from Artemis, if you're playing with the Damage Shield thing pact.

[split orbit]

I wish if you gave up a run it would put you back in the courtyard without exiting to title screen

[unborn pebble]

I remember a run I had with Aphro Attack, Demeter Special, 10-stack explosion, and piercing arrows.

See, the arrows keep tracking for a bit after they pierce.

[pliant anvil]

well, it seems very clearly designed to be a run "reset" instead of a run "loss"

[unborn pebble]

Are "Give Up" run resets or do they count for statistics?

Since you keep the seed, I mean.

[pliant anvil]

they don't count, they never happen basically

[unborn pebble]

Ohhhhh

[split orbit]

Is the first boon you get guaranteed to be an atk, special, call, dash, cast?

[unborn pebble]

Oh, darn

[pliant anvil]

@split orbit it will always have at least one of those

[unborn pebble]

Ok, I should be giving up more on crap runs, then.

[pliant anvil]

well, it keeps the seed though, so don't expect a run with the same weapon/build to go too differently

[unborn pebble]

Hmm, remind me, if the first you get is a Hammer, does that stay with the seed?

[cunning urchin]

Is the first boon you get guaranteed to be an atk, special, call, dash, cast?
You're guaranteed at least one out of Attack, Special, Dash, Cast. Call is not a priority slot, actually.

I think the very first boon always only offers priority slots, though, unless you reroll.

Pretty sure I've never seen anything but Attack, Special, Dash, or Cast.

[torpid abyss]

I wish i could play Rama

But my monkey brain can't do powershots

[pliant anvil]

@unborn pebble yes

[split orbit]

Damn... so I have ares up for choices and he's offering the heroic special boon...

I have arty boon on it now

Chiron bow

[torpid abyss]

GHey so

For Rama, double or triple shot hammer?

[pliant anvil]

@split orbit I would pass. Ares isn't great on chiron

[opal lodge]

dont get trapped by rarity

[torpid abyss]

I'm on a special Rama Build anyway

[opal lodge]

take the boon that fits with your build

[pliant anvil]

@torpid abyss twin

[opal lodge]

twin or triple are both very good

[pliant anvil]

twin > triple > most other attack hammers imo

[opal lodge]

can't go wrong with either

triple is better for bosses but twin probably has better utility overall

[pliant anvil]

Yeah, both are very good

[split orbit]

I wish the pierce shot allowed the chiron to hit the same foe twice...

[pliant anvil]

At least it'll always let you hit your target :P

(and big armor damage)

[torpid abyss]

Damn

Poseidon offers me epic attack or call

Don't do this to me buddy 😢

[cerulean orchid]

Does doom scale with stuff like %increases vs armour

[devout ether]

those are hammer boons

Hammer only modifies attack and special damage, so no

[cerulean orchid]

I swear doom scales off of %increases to whatever it's tied with

[pliant anvil]

well, there is "crits deal more damage to armored enemies"

it's rare, but possible

[devout ether]

well, I guess artemis has a coulpe boons that could qualify, though I don't know if Doom can crit with PP

[pliant anvil]

I'm pretty sure it can

[devout ether]

If it does then that's a poggers

[pliant anvil]

PP is all damage

But a doom crit will wipe off most armor anyways

[devout ether]

I swear doom scales off of %increases to whatever it's tied with
@cerulean orchid It doesnt dude

[pliant anvil]

yeah doom only scales from global increases (i.e. fam fave or sweet surrender) and poms/doom related boons like impending doom

[cerulean orchid]

I know it used to once upon a time

[unborn pebble]

Ok, I have a dilemma.

[pliant anvil]

No dilemmas, only eris rail.

[unborn pebble]

I just forced Artemis to be my 5th god, getting her on miniboss in Elysium. Do I take the Special to enable the deflect-crit-shenanigans or do I take the PP to try and get the extra casts?

Beo-build

Aphro Cast

[pliant anvil]

Do you have deflect on attack?

[unborn pebble]

Yup

[pliant anvil]

Hm... well, the safe choice is PP

but "risky" choice by higher reward choice is trying for the duo

but that relies on getting athena again

[unborn pebble]

Yeah

Well, that or another Artemis

Though I am on chamber 30 and skipped the Mid Shop xD

(couldn't afford stuff anyway)

[pliant anvil]

I personally would go for PP if you're most of the way through Elysium.

[unborn pebble]

Thanks!

[pliant anvil]

That way you get at least something from the boon

[unborn pebble]

Mhm

And Support Fire would help too.

And I think I open up less boons by going PP?

Ahh, I do open up less, but only by virtue of not getting the Duos xD

PP it is

[torpid abyss]

Damn

I got really good hammers

But idk which one to take

[pliant anvil]

what hammers, what weapon aspect?

[devout ether]

Cluster bomb every time

[pliant anvil]

^

cluster or rocket

well cluster > rocket

[devout ether]

Shield? Cluster bomb. Spear? Also Cluster bomb

[torpid abyss]

Relentless volley, perfect shot, chain shot

Aspect of Rama

[pliant anvil]

fist cluster? interesting

I would say perfect

[devout ether]

Perfect or chain

[pliant anvil]

though chain is also good

[torpid abyss]

I have twin shot btw

[devout ether]

In that case perfect

[torpid abyss]

And no attack boon yet

[pliant anvil]

yeah perfect

[devout ether]

Try to go for those big hits

[torpid abyss]

I'm being carried by zeus special

it's at lvl 4

That's why i feel tempted to get volley...

But perfect does sound nice

[pliant anvil]

zeus special has a 0.2second CD, so it'd prolly not help you much

[torpid abyss]

Dang!

[devout ether]

Eh, zeus on special kinda falls off hard, because of the cooldown

[pliant anvil]

perfect on twin shot is crazy good though

that's perfect or nearly perfect hammers I think

Not sure what would be better tbh

[devout ether]

Great for crowd control, but your damage potential with Rama is soooo much higher

[torpid abyss]

What's the math behind perfect shot tho?

Like, how is the power shot easier

[devout ether]

The timing is longer

[pliant anvil]

wider window iirc

more frames basically

[devout ether]

As in, you have more time to let go of the button

[pliant anvil]

yeah

might also activate sooner, I feel like it does

[devout ether]

Also more than doubles your damage

[pliant anvil]

But I have no source on that, so take it with a good bit of skepticism

[devout ether]

So you really, REALLY want to get those power shots

[pliant anvil]

Is it base damage though? I can't remember, but I don't think it is

[unborn pebble]

Which Bow is it?

[torpid abyss]

Well i still need an attack boon for Rama tho

And look at that

[unborn pebble]

Chiron or elsewise?

[pliant anvil]

rama

[torpid abyss]

Athena attack boon

[unborn pebble]

Ohhhhh

Mmmmmm

[torpid abyss]

Hmmm...

[pliant anvil]

Not bad, athena is a good "safe" choice

Artemis/aphro are the best though

[torpid abyss]

Yeah but i want big fat numbers

My monkey brain loves big fat numbers

[mellow quest]

it's passable damage for just getting through the average run

[torpid abyss]

I already have athena dash

[mellow quest]

but really you want deadly strike because of the big base damage and shared suffering

[torpid abyss]

Might as well just get expose

[unborn pebble]

Speaking of runs: Guaranteed Artemis Boon or shop? I'm playing with the "+15% gold reward after each floor boss" thing, and it is room before BullKing

[mellow quest]

a crit dash strike power shot on rama does disgusting damage too

[unborn pebble]

Beo-run, got PP and only need Support to enable Legendary

No rerolls left, tho'

[pliant anvil]

I would say artemis

[unborn pebble]

More money for the final floor?

[pliant anvil]

you have a decent chance to get artemis attack if you haven't gotten one already

[unborn pebble]

Athena Attack

[pliant anvil]

I personally dislike that mirror talent

[unborn pebble]

Only core slot left is special.

[pliant anvil]

you gotta get a LOT of gold to make it pay off.

[unborn pebble]

I mean, yeah.

[pliant anvil]

you need like, 667 gold to make it break even

[unborn pebble]

Yup

667 gold by Elysium End

[mellow quest]

golden touch is a meme

[unborn pebble]

But since I'm not running the "More Boons/Hammers/Poms" Mirror yet, I still get a lot of gold.

[mellow quest]

you get stronger just buying a boon in tartarus long term anyway

[pliant anvil]

^

[unborn pebble]

Hmm, fair point.

[pliant anvil]

you usually want an early infusion where you power is much lower

[unborn pebble]

Mhm

yeah, makes sense.

[pliant anvil]

not a late term infusion where your power is already pretty high

a styx boon is worth MUCH less than a tartarus boon

[unborn pebble]

Yeah, and I can see how that mindset would serve me on higher heats

[mellow quest]

i think it's fine for like 15 or less heat not using Convivence Fee to buy the meta progression reward in the styx shop

but if the goal is winrate deep pockets is better. it shapes the run much sooner

[unborn pebble]

I just need to stop forcing meme-runs on my builds.

But the memes, amiright? :V

Support Fire Get

[split orbit]

Chiron bow: piercing volley or concentrated volley?

[unborn pebble]

Ohhhh

Level?

[pliant anvil]

I think piercing personally, but it depends what boon you're running

[opal lodge]

concentrated

it's not close imo

[unborn pebble]

Oh, yeah, Concentrated.

Pick up Piercing later if you get it offered and don't get the Relentless.

[pliant anvil]

Like I said, I think it depends what boons your running. I'm not sure how much a dio special gets from concentrated

[unborn pebble]

Ohhh

Dio Special?

[pliant anvil]

or doom for that matter

[unborn pebble]

In that case I swap, Piercing all the way.

[split orbit]

Yeah dio special aprho atk

[pliant anvil]

But anything else, concentrated for sure

[opal lodge]

you really taking piercing just for the armor damage?

[unborn pebble]

It pierces and tracks, Bright

[pliant anvil]

it also means your arrows will always hit your target

[unborn pebble]

Meaning more poison on more targets

Or just the same target

And that

Also that it punches through shields

[opal lodge]

? your arrows always track your target though no?

[unborn pebble]

Very nice

[pliant anvil]

not if they hit something else

[unborn pebble]

Yeah, but Piercing makes them shoot through the enemy and keep tracking

[pliant anvil]

like another enemy or a destroyable pillar iirc

[unborn pebble]

mhm

Hmm... Quothe, Wouldn't Piercing be decent if you had Thunder Flourish?

[pliant anvil]

It's one bolt per enemy every .2 seconds

I don't think it's worth it

[unborn pebble]

Oh, Thunder Flourish is def a bad special choice for Chiron

But if you had it, shrug?

[pliant anvil]

zeus on chiron is usually just bad.

zeus special on the bow imo just feels lackluster due to the CD

[opal lodge]

the internal cooldown means zeus doesn't work the way you want it to

[pliant anvil]

yeah

[split orbit]

Well I got dio aprho boon so let's go.

Now I'm stick with the choice of ares or aphro

[pliant anvil]

ares

the dio/ares duo is the second best damage boon for dio damage

[split orbit]

Unfortunately didn't get an option for curse of vengeance so I'm sol

[pliant anvil]

oh, yeah, if you don't have an open slot for that you are SOL

either way, aphro/dio is a stronger combo to maintain

[split orbit]

Already have it lol just looking for support fire atm

[pliant anvil]

+3 stacks is like, a 60% damage increase iirc

while ares/dio is only a ~37.5%

[unborn pebble]

Oh, I am also here to talk about how absolutely amazing Demeter's "Casting damages and Chills area around you" with "Chill slows and decays enemies once all are chilled" on Beo and Hera.

They be Yummy.

[opal lodge]

snow burst is very good

[pliant anvil]

snow burst is fantastic

makes privileged status really easy to proc with like, aphrodite.

[winged forge]

Zeus aspect shield + Doom on special + Deflect on attack + deflect activates doom effects = good

[untold iris]

its mostly just merciful end = broken

[winged forge]

yes

i wonder if that would work on the gun

[untold iris]

its much better on melee aspects

[winged forge]

stacking doom on the shot

dash to activate

i also had stacking doom

so blitz disk would proc 200-300 doom damage

[dusty ridge]

did it with hidden fists

strong

[split orbit]

So how would support fire be on zagreus adamant rail?

Seems like it'd be pretty fun

[untold iris]

support fire is very good on weapons that hit fast

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, it's really good.

[cerulean orchid]

OH MY GOD I JUST FOUND THE KINETIC LAUNCHER FOR THE FIST

[unborn pebble]

Isn't it glorious?

[open heron]

@open heron That sounds impressive. Have you got any runs posted online?
@gray shore lol im just being annoying, i dash spam like anyone else

[unborn pebble]

So have you tried the Hadouken build yet, Florence?

Kinetic Launcher + Artemis Special + Demeter Fists + Athena Attack. Get Duo Boon.

Charge it up

Laugh.

[cerulean orchid]

I mean that's almost what I had

Just by accident

Athena special instead

But i also got +30% attack speed from Hermes

I think I from then on I only got hit like twice

I was a bulwark of deflection. I was a god.

[gray shore]

lel

[cerulean orchid]

Honestly part of it is just I've been farming for so long trying to get it

[gray shore]

I'm guessing that Sea Storm and Blizzard Shot don't interact well

[calm bluff]

Poseidon legendary boon and dash with zeus poesidon duo boon was one hell of a run lol

Those poor rats. I bullied them into a corner and they drowned to death.

[cerulean orchid]

Does anyone know why Dio dash doesn't let you get the legendary?

[gray shore]

because the Dio dash doesn't give you access to Festive Fog

[cerulean orchid]

No but it inflicts hangover

According to the requirements though only strike, flourish and aid unlock it

[gray shore]

I guess they just made a design decision around it?

[cerulean orchid]

I don't know if I just got really unlucky with all the shops and it is but isn't listed

Or if it's just not

[opal lodge]

drunken dash doesnt unlock

doesn't make much sense tbh

[open heron]

heroic quick recovery is 👀

[frank dew]

its prolly because it would give too high of a dmg bonus otherwise

same with why you need Athena special/attack for ME

[mellow quest]

what? drunken dash damage is the lowest of all the hangover boons and it doesn't even get the benefit of the first pom giving it +2 damage.

[frank dew]

i might be wrong but doesnt the legendary just give you straight up dmg?

[cerulean orchid]

Yeah how? It's not like it's stack based or anything.

[pale sinew]

Is there a collection of "hey this build works well with this weapon/aspect" guide anywhere

[cerulean orchid]

+60% damage to hangover-afflicted foes in the fog

[frank dew]

there prolly is phroot but you can also just ask around

yes so with the dash you can have a good attack boon AND get that bonus just from dash

[mellow quest]

the hangover + festive fog combo damage is only 60% global damage to the enemy inside it.

[untold iris]

Is there a collection of "hey this build works well with this weapon/aspect" guide anywhere
@pale sinew there's a very basic one that @cunning urchin wrote, I think it's pinned somewhere

[mellow quest]

like sure, 60% is a lot. but it's still additive damage under very specific requirements.

[pale sinew]

Looks like it was posted in the new players channel
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2233472883

thanks

[frank dew]

well thats the reason id assume

i agree with you tho since you need the cast aswell

[cerulean orchid]

Yeah it's even more prohibitive

[frank dew]

i mean its 3 boons minimum

[cerulean orchid]

I just don't see how the dash is any different from any of the others

I think it might just be oversight?

[cunning urchin]

Yes, I wrote that.

[mellow quest]

that's par for the course for legendaries but for what it's worth i don't think blackout is very good.

[untold iris]

but really if you want to know what builds work well you can probably just ask here

[cunning urchin]

You may shower me with praise. I don't mind.

[split orbit]

Has anyone ever come across times where you just cannot dodge or do anything but walk around?

[cerulean orchid]

No i literally just want it for the prophecy

[untold iris]

@cunning urchin you're amazing!

[cunning urchin]

Thank you.

I am, aren't I.

[still vigil]

i was minding my business on YT and saw a 50 heat run done by @mighty ermine recommended

XD

[mellow quest]

The 40 heat boonless rama thumbnail keeps showing up. But bouldy, he's got those seductive diamond eyes.

[mighty ermine]

youtube algorithm loves my diamond eyes bouldy thumbnail confirmed

[primal hazel]

Not only Youtube

Any fun casts for beo besides poseidon, aphro and dio?

[pliant anvil]

I like zeus and athena to a lesser extent

[primal hazel]

Lol what does "to a lesser extent" entail

?

[pliant anvil]

and ares can be fun if you get artemis

[primal hazel]

Idk if I build beyblades I go achilles ^^

[pliant anvil]

Athena provides defense, but has meh aoe and the zeus duo is only ok.

[primal hazel]

Ah ok sad

Appreciate the input!

[dull oak]

guys

spear attack+space+Hammer upgrade

does a fck thon of dmg

[pliant anvil]

demeter cast is also fun. Not like... super amazing, but fun

What hammer upgrade?

[primal hazel]

spear attack+space+Hammer upgrade
@dull oak what?

SpaceM

?

[pliant anvil]

And "space"? I assume you mean dash?

[dull oak]

yes

dash attack

[primal hazel]

Tf

[pliant anvil]

oh, the triple strike?

[dull oak]

yes

[pliant anvil]

yeah it's good

[primal hazel]

Nah

Serrated point

[dull oak]

why

[primal hazel]

You mean the one that lets your dash attack strike thrice right?

That's serrated point

[pliant anvil]

yeah the triple dash strike is serrated point. it's decent on GY, achilles and hades

IF you build achilles and hades towards attack

[primal hazel]

Triple attack only makes your regular attack strike I'm a 3-strike pattern

It's different

[pliant anvil]

I meant serrated point

I forgot that was even a hammer

[primal hazel]

Lol

[dull oak]

but its triple dmg

[pliant anvil]

because it's useless imo

[primal hazel]

Tf

[pliant anvil]

Serrated point is REALLY good

[dull oak]

and with blessing can be even more op

[primal hazel]

Serrated is one of the strongest hammers for spear ye

Welcome to the club

[pliant anvil]

I don't think triple strike can hit the same target more than once usually.

Not even sure if it can hit bosses more than once

especially since the spread is pretty wide

[primal hazel]

Hmm dem cast seems interesting on beo
I hate that most duos don't apply

[dull oak]

I don't think triple strike can hit the same target more than once usually.
@pliant anvil it does

[pliant anvil]

I still think you'd be better off with serrated point

[primal hazel]

Wtf do you mean
Serrated or triple?

Your confusing crab I think

[dull oak]

you're talking about dash attack ...

right?

[pliant anvil]

when I say triple strike, I mean the spread strike one

No

[primal hazel]

If your close enough als three strikes should hit

[pliant anvil]

When I say "serrated point" I mean serrated point

[primal hazel]

But I never take that one

[dull oak]

aight

[pliant anvil]

when I say "triple strike" I mean whatever the one that hits in a spread pattern

[primal hazel]

I don't think triple strike can hit the same target more than once usually.
@pliant anvil he though you meant serrated with that

[dull oak]

OOOOOOH

[pliant anvil]

"triple jab" that's the name

[dull oak]

i get it now

[primal hazel]

@dull oak triple strike is a different hammer

[dull oak]

ye ye

[pliant anvil]

serrated point is good yeah

[dull oak]

is just confusing becase both hammers make 3 attacks

[primal hazel]

Does mirage shot work on beo?

[pliant anvil]

yeah

[primal hazel]

Neato

Also on pc they removed flares counting as pre reqs for beo I heard

[pliant anvil]

it's pretty good

oof

that sucks

not sure if that's true though, I'm on switch

[primal hazel]

But you can still achieve it with the other reqs right?

Me too

Still waiting for lucifer buff :(

[pliant anvil]

It could use one I think, even if you can dash and keep firing

[primal hazel]

Tf thunder flare counts towards lighningt phalanx
How is that supposed to work?

[pliant anvil]

wait, really? That's weird AF

Now I wanna know

[primal hazel]

It lists thunder flare on switch
But you need phalanx shot

Wtf

Huh

I'm so confused

Are they trolling

[rotund lily]

hm just played beowolf first time with Festive Fog on cast and this is most easy run for me

[pliant anvil]

beo and fog are really good yeah

[rotund lily]

its like 20 -% hp with charge on hades

yea i like it

[cerulean orchid]

I don't suppose Zeus/Dio and Dem/Dio duos stack

[untold iris]

they do

[pliant anvil]

yup, they do

[unkempt pagoda]

the only cast morph counterparts that stack, unfortunately

[primal hazel]

Or work on cast augmenting stuff

(speaking mainly about beo)

[turbid needle]

Festive fog is fun with beo especially if you use the damage reduction while standing in festive fog

Because hey, there you are

I really like beo with a high damage cast and the hammer that lets you shoot your charge, that's a super fun build

[primal hazel]

But if you shoot your charge
Do the flares explode around the charge or you?

[turbid needle]

Around the charge

[primal hazel]

Also just having the worst run
Stygian soul with dio
Getting no cast extensions from chaos, artemis only shows up twice, seen dio and zeus enough but never a duo
It's feels so awful

[turbid needle]

An early rarity boost chaos boon can go a long way

[primal hazel]

...

Unfortunately that wouldn't have changed anything regarding that run

[turbid needle]

It helps you find duos easier

[primal hazel]

I mean it counts rare and up sure

But legendaries and duos are a different rarity category afaik

It's not necessarily higher but seperate

From my understanding

[turbid needle]

From what I've read and discussed with others rarity boosts increase chance of duos and legendaries

And that matches my experience with it too

[primal hazel]

Well experience with chance is pretty flawed

[turbid needle]

Yeah, it's anecdotal, but supplemented by information from other people too

[primal hazel]

Which is also anectodal

Not to knock your experience

Idk ig I'd just like some hard confirmation

[turbid needle]

It's not anecdotal when you're talking about other peoples' collected experiences and research, no

That's not what anecdotal means

[primal hazel]

I dunno who or how many people you talked to but "collected" and "research" are pretty vague in that regard

I'd rather like to hear from other people than having someone say they heard it from other people yk

[turbid needle]

...what 😂

Do you smonk a lot of weeds

[primal hazel]

Why is that always your go to?

[turbid needle]

It's not, you just come across like you spend a lot of time high

[primal hazel]

...

Just because I say I'd also like hard confirmation or confirmation from other people?

Also no I don't

[turbid needle]

Ah, my mistake then

[primal hazel]

Jesus finally got scintillating in styx
Still only one cast

[vagrant olive]

Hec yeah lernie hitless first time

[frail schooner]

There’s no way it’s ur first time if u call him lernie

[turbid needle]

Hitless

Which is to say his first time not getting hit in the fight

[primal hazel]

...

Won the run
Felt awful

[proven osprey]

eh

Stone

Last few runs (grinding for bounties)

I only picked Artemis aid

And dude, it's amazing on crit builds

[primal hazel]

I'd say amazing is an overstatement

Zeus is still better

[teal juniper]

so I tried super soaker, rail hidden aspect with poseidon attack, ngl it felt pretty underwhelming

[primal hazel]

But I guess one not as cynical as me would call it nice on crit builds

so I tried super soaker, rail hidden aspect with poseidon attack, ngl it felt pretty underwhelming
@teal juniper that's the joke

[teal juniper]

ah, I see

ah well, I managed to get to like 400 health thanks to life affirmation early on

still lost tho

[cerulean orchid]

Has anyone got bored and tried dash-only builds?

If so what would be best

[proven osprey]

Some people did

Poseidon I guess

[primal hazel]

Probably poseidon

With sea storm

[pliant anvil]

Sea storm basically yeah

[cerulean orchid]

I was about to say Pos or Zeus yeah

Would anything come close to the claws?

[pliant anvil]

Eris might because of rhe global damage up

[primal hazel]

Sword range wise

come close

On a more serious note: def eris I'd say

[unborn pebble]

Does Shadow Slash work with Parting Shot?

[pliant anvil]

Probably not

Because shadow slash refers to your attack iirc

[primal hazel]

Parting shot only counts cast

[unborn pebble]

Ahh.

[primal hazel]

Shadow slash only attack

It's seperate

[unborn pebble]

So Exposed it si

[teal juniper]

was about to say yeah

if shadow slash was a flat bonus to backstab damage it would apply

[unborn pebble]

Thanks!

[unborn pebble]

Ok, things went EXTRAORDINARILY well.

Poseidon Blade, Exit Wounds, and a high level Athena Cast. Mmmmm

[edgy sundial]

OH MAN

IM IN ANOTHER CONUNDRUM

positive outlook or trippy shot?

both rare

ah screw it

positive

[queen patrol]

high confidence increases all damage by 25?

25%

[edgy sundial]

thats a thing?

[queen patrol]

mirror of night

im asking if it does lol

[edgy sundial]

o

[opal lodge]

yeah

high confidence is global

worth it if you are highly confident and looking to go fast

not worth if you get hit a lot and then have to spent a lot of obols to keep it active

[edgy sundial]

quick question

||skull earing or skelly tooth for EM4 Hades?||

max rank in both

[proven osprey]

skull earing really

[edgy sundial]

k

thanks

[proven osprey]

No I mean

It's the meg one

Did you really mean it ?

Because they have nothing in common

[edgy sundial]

oh frick

its too late

OH MAN

I MESSED UP

i mistook you saying that for skelly tooth

yeah I meant it tho

[proven osprey]

woops

I'm sorry dude

[edgy sundial]

nnoo

I got skelly tooth

[proven osprey]

So between these 2, skelly was better

[edgy sundial]

ok phew

[proven osprey]

Skull earring grants dmg below 30% but it hardly matters, the buff is not worth the risk

You could level up the acorn tho, better than skelly in most situations

[edgy sundial]

alr

ill upgrade acorn

after this run

Dude

the funniest thing just happened

[silk hearth]

acorn better lol

[edgy sundial]

I got the artemis and aphro boon duo

[silk hearth]

even if its unupgraded

[edgy sundial]

but the legendary was there too

I got the duo one

[silk hearth]

nice

[proven osprey]

nah skelly's alright

[edgy sundial]

then I got the aphro boon from the shop

[silk hearth]

aphro/arti duo is the best

[edgy sundial]

and guess what, the legendary is there

[silk hearth]

[edgy sundial]

lament plume would be good too right? for the dodge chance

[silk hearth]

yea

[proven osprey]

It's not optimal but totally playable. The thing is you have to wear it all run long

[silk hearth]

but u hv to give up keepsakes

^^

i find it almost unplayable if i dont use keepsake for boons

[edgy sundial]

yeah I found that out during the post-credits

or the game after the credits that is

dude

i think i just won

[silk hearth]

o.o

[edgy sundial]

because I got the quick recovery

from hermes

against ||em4 hades||

[silk hearth]

whenver i use it feels uselesss hahah

maybe i dont notice the effect

[edgy sundial]

we'll see though

[silk hearth]

gl

[edgy sundial]

you gotta be dashing all the times I guess

[silk hearth]

yea

[edgy sundial]

OK NEVERMIND

HE JUST BEAT MY BOOTYY

[vagrant olive]

At which heat should i take stubborn defiance instead of death defiance?

[edgy sundial]

i got him down to half health ||3rd phase||

[calm bluff]

Keep having runs where I don't get the duo boons i'm rolling for and just get duo boons I don't need

*scream

[silk hearth]

At which heat should i take stubborn defiance instead of death defiance?
@vagrant olive not really about the heat, but if u take it if ur taking LC4

generally u can start taking sd and lc4 at 32 heat though u can choose not to if u change ur heat setup

[opal lodge]

Keep having runs where I don't get the duo boons i'm rolling for and just get duo boons I don't need
more reasons why god's pride > god's legacy

[rancid shard]

I've learned that sometimes its better to take maybe sub optimal boons to not include non desired duo boons in the available pool

[silk hearth]

i rarely get duo boons i dont need

and its not like u hv to pick the duo boon if it doesnt benefit u

[cosmic hornet]

which cast should i go for with poseidon sword?

[silk hearth]

also u can sell duos for 400g

[rancid shard]

Yea, I find myself employing the above strat if I'm desperate for a specific one

which cast should i go for with poseidon sword?
@cosmic hornet Zeus is most consistent dps imo

[cosmic hornet]

and then go straight zeus for legendary?

[rancid shard]

and its not like u hv to pick the duo boon if it doesnt benefit u
@silk hearth I think the disadvantage is that the duo boons you don't want becomes available in the boon pool. Less likely to get the one you actually want

and then go straight zeus for legendary?
@cosmic hornet not necessary but static discharge is very nice

I'm a big fan of Artemis Zeus duo with poseidon aspect

[silk hearth]

thats a pretty warped way of looking at it imo

[half crater]

you want artemis anyway, for exit wounds

[rancid shard]

Could very well be

[half crater]

and ultimately fully loaded

[rancid shard]

True point of exit wounds

[cosmic hornet]

yeah i usually go for artemis in tartarus because it has so many fitting boons

[silk hearth]

if u hv a higher chance of getting duo boons ofc u will hv a higher chance of getting duo boons u dont need

[cosmic hornet]

does the duo proc the moment you dislodge the stones?

[rancid shard]

Basically yes

[cosmic hornet]

ah alright, i thought i need to wait 1s

[silk hearth]

what are good casts for eris? just picked up mirage shot which is a duo i dont want haha

[rancid shard]

Iirc its pretty instant. I have a heat 43 clear video with poseidon aspect in self promotion if you want to see it in action too

[cosmic hornet]

ah, dm me the link

[rancid shard]

Ok

[cosmic hornet]

thanks

[silk hearth]

what are good casts for eris? just picked up mirage shot which is a duo i dont want haha
nvm im dead

[half crater]

oof

[rancid shard]

Zeus cast might be good for clearing purposes

[onyx iron]

rip

I woulda said anything that doesn't need extra boons to get goin

your blade rift or dem cast

[silk hearth]

for eris, is aphro call or special better?

[onyx iron]

🤷 circumstances innit?

I'd take aphro on special if I needed it

[worn folio]

Does Ferocious Guard stack?

[onyx iron]

I don't think so

it's flat buff that refreshes only after it's gone

[pliant anvil]

I would say aphro special is probably better in terms of general use

[onyx iron]

ye

[pliant anvil]

you'd probably end up with faster fights in general

[split orbit]

What would everyone say are the most "fun" aspects?

[silk hearth]

o i took the call already

[pliant anvil]

while call is nice for doing a big burst of damage to a boss

[silk hearth]

helped a lot with meg lol

for the interrupt

[onyx iron]

the call can interrupt boss attacks which is very nice too

ye

[split orbit]

I just unlocked (not released yet) Arthur and I'm thinking of making a "Welcome to the thunderdome" build or something like that

[pliant anvil]

arthur is fun for sure

takes some getting used to though

[onyx iron]

i hate arthur >:(

[pliant anvil]

to be able to properly buffer dashes inbetween your combo strikes

[rose prawn]

I remember there's two weapons that have critical chance

I wonder if that stacks with artemis

[pliant anvil]

zag bow, nem sword and they do

[hollow bane]

pretty sure it does

[pliant anvil]

additively

[hollow bane]

nice

[split orbit]

So is Arthur a slow, heavy hitting weapon

[rose prawn]

But I always have to say that double status effects is the way to go

[onyx iron]

I agree

[rose prawn]

Even though I may not get that every run

[onyx iron]

triggering priv status isn't hard usually

[pliant anvil]

arthur is the slowest and hardest hitting weapon before boons per swing

[rose prawn]

Ah, arthur

Yes.

I took me a bit to finish the game on 0 heat with that

[pliant anvil]

beowulf does it pretty easy

snow burst and aphro cast

[onyx iron]

the slow attack, even with the inbetween dash, I've never been able to make it work

without getting smacked

[pliant anvil]

it's rough yeah

[onyx iron]

the windup is so long, hyper dash does ntohing

[opal lodge]

PS you should usually only use when you apply 2 T1 curses

hyper sprint should be enough to mitigate stuns with arthur

[onyx iron]

:/ usually I use a t1 and t2 perk to run PS

almost always

[pliant anvil]

that's a lot rougher because it relies on getting a T2 and the right T1

[rose prawn]

It's so slow it gives you a mitigation effect to compensate

[opal lodge]

arthur swings clank projectiles

so you can just swing through most projectiles without fear

[rose prawn]

Oh, yeah

I forgot the special does that

[onyx iron]

:/ idk man lol

[pliant anvil]

the arthur special also slows projectiles

[rose prawn]

Athena would be perfect in that case

[onyx iron]

until a stray proj interrupts your swing

[rose prawn]

Yeah

[opal lodge]

might just need to be a bit more choosy about where you stop and swing

[onyx iron]

ye

[opal lodge]

idk i feel like arthur is usually kinda braindead until 32

[rose prawn]

I like to compare some parts of this game to dead cells

[icy kernel]

I got Cluster Rockets for the first time the other day

I felt so powerful +_+

[rose prawn]

Some weapons are so damn slow

[pliant anvil]

cluster rockets ❤️

[rose prawn]

I still have yet to get that

[icy kernel]

if i have the choice between saving my gf's life and getting cluster rockets catch me at my gf's funeral shooting five high-velocity explosives at once

[onyx iron]

O_O

good lord lol

[rose prawn]

I never managed to successfully beat the game with aspect of lucifer

Laser's aren't my style apparenlty

[icy kernel]

TBH I love the laser. But I hate the special.

[rose prawn]

Exactly

[onyx iron]

special is a bit better now

[icy kernel]

I always put Poseidon on the laser. It's a supersoaker.

[pliant anvil]

luci's special is pretty good with athena

[onyx iron]

compared to 1.0

[icy kernel]

Supersoakerrrrr

Is the upgrade that lets you fire infinitely but removes the ramp-up good?

[pliant anvil]

imo, no

[onyx iron]

mebbe with zeus or somethin

[pliant anvil]

The ramp up is better, especially with the faster ramp up hammer

[onyx iron]

they're exclusive

[opal lodge]

no eternal chamber is bad

[onyx iron]

you wouldn't be able to get both of those hammers

[opal lodge]

but for the full meme super soaker build youre supposed to take eternal chamber if it's offered

youre also supposed to run priv stat for the fun noises

[pliant anvil]

@onyx iron that's why I'm saying ramp up is better

[onyx iron]

ahh ye, sry, I misread

[rose prawn]

I figured out that the static debuff from zeus activates when enemies attack

They take a certain amount of damage

And the debuff wears off

And there's a boon to make it last longer

[pliant anvil]

I mean... that's what the debuff says?

[opal lodge]

cold fusion

but cold fusion bad

[pliant anvil]

^

[rose prawn]

Well, I didn't know it activated when enemies attack

I just knew it was a debuff

[hollow bane]

oof

just lost a run

[pliant anvil]

oof

[rose prawn]

oof

[hollow bane]

build was kinda sketch though

zeus/poisdeon fists

;-;

[pliant anvil]

I mean, zeus on attack for fists can be pretty good imo

[hollow bane]

yeah

[pliant anvil]

I think it's almost a doubling of damage

[hollow bane]

i used it for like 10% of the run

[pliant anvil]

Dunno if sea storm is the right choice though

[opal lodge]

yeah zeus attack poseidon dash is a popular speed build right now

for fists

[pliant anvil]

I think smouldering air is better

Is it? huh

[opal lodge]

it's like eris rail but on fists

[hollow bane]

ended up going poisdeon special

[pliant anvil]

I feel like tidal dash might make it hard to hit dudes.

[hollow bane]

for the rest of the run

[opal lodge]

yeah its getting popular because consistency is key for all weps

[pliant anvil]

I suppose you can just smash them into a wall or something

[opal lodge]

it does but you can follow them and its big boss dps

[hollow bane]

worked great with the zeus duo and extra knockback boon

didnt work so well for hades tho

:C

[opal lodge]

personally i just use whichever dash i find + zeus attack + arty special on fists now but better players are able to use pos dash

[pliant anvil]

I feel it would probably heavily reward good spawn management and positioning

[kindred hearth]

Just did zeus attack, poseidon cast with talos fist. Boss damage was quite good but room clear was insane

[pliant anvil]

so I can see it being good (because sea storm is ALWAYS good)

[hollow bane]

yea room clear was so good

but knockback doesnt work on bosses so i was kinda gimped for that

[opal lodge]

its still highest base damage dash

[pliant anvil]

I think it works in very small amounts

[opal lodge]

should be able to zerg most bosses

[pliant anvil]

you can kinda see it on meg iirc

obviously not enough to matter though

you aren't getting a wall slam with it on a boss prolly

[hollow bane]

i didnt get posideon until asphodel so idk

[icy kernel]

TBH Zeus/Poseidon duo ANYTHING is hilarious

[hollow bane]

yes

[pliant anvil]

it's a solid build because it adds a lot of damage from another source passively yeah

[icy kernel]

||Rama|| Special with Zeus? mmm! That's good eatin'.

[pliant anvil]

not really

zeus has a 0.2 second cd per enemy

so it falls off rapidly

[icy kernel]

not with the Rama special

[rancid shard]

Zeus special plus rama is amazing

[pliant anvil]

plus it locks you out of a lot of good boons for rama

like heart rend, the artemis/dio duo

[hollow bane]

what would be a good god to go with crit bow?

[pliant anvil]

artemis

more crit

[hollow bane]

ik

[pliant anvil]

as for duos, either aphro for extra crit damage

[icy kernel]

I won't lie I only ever use the Hera bow.

That cast-blast is hilarious.

[pliant anvil]

athena for more crit chance

or dio for crit chance on like, rama

[icy kernel]

Rama Zeus is better

I'm telling you

[pliant anvil]

I'm telling you you're wrong

[icy kernel]

you gotta trust in the Swarm of Bees

[pliant anvil]

55 heat was cleared with art/dio iirc

[icy kernel]

You gotta trust in the beeeeeeees

[pliant anvil]

Because rama's damage comes mostly from the attack and shared suffering

[icy kernel]

I use Zeus Rama as my main damage source when I get it tbh

[pliant anvil]

that... seems very wasteful and counter productive to the weapon

shared suffering already covers room clear for you

[icy kernel]

yeah but i have four brain cells

i don't wanna think about managing that stuff

[pliant anvil]

from their, it's mostly about making the most of shared suffering

I mean, it's not that hard

[icy kernel]

plus the Shared Suffering, it takes too long to chaaaaarge

[pliant anvil]

dash strike

[icy kernel]

i'm stickin with the beeeeees

[pliant anvil]

and get art dash

[icy kernel]

bees

Like I said: I prefer the Hera aspect anyways lol

One Hera Bow run I got Dem/Aphrodite's combo boon? With the controllable beams? I killed Hades in like... 30 seconds.

[opal lodge]

rama is very good but not for everyone

hera is very good for dopamine

feels fun to play for me

[icy kernel]

Dealing 1500 damage at once is just a lot of fun.

Simple as that.

Hera is also idiot-proof, so I am very good at it.

[split orbit]

So I've theory crafted the Arthur Thunderdome build... and its basically a revenge build

[icy kernel]

... Explain.

ya boy is highly intrigued

[split orbit]

So since the Arthur special reduces damage and projectile speed you drop it and that becomes your "Thunderdome"

[pliant anvil]

ares/zeus duo I assume?

or stubborn roots

[split orbit]

Take as many revenge boons as you can focusing on ares, zeus, aphrodite, and Athena and get ares/zeus duo boon

[icy kernel]

You could also add in DioCast and Zeus/Dio duo boon

[pliant anvil]

you can't

you only get 4 gods + hermes

so, it's unlikely you'll get dio, but it's nice to get if you do

[icy kernel]

darn

I love Festive Fog :/

[split orbit]

I mean you could possibly swap apro or Athena for dio

[icy kernel]

IMO keep Athena

Athena OP

[split orbit]

You just have to have ares and zeus

In that case ditch aphrodite

Friend zone her

[pliant anvil]

yeah, athena is really good for defense

demeter can be useful for the chill too

[split orbit]

The variable would be aphrodite... sue can be swapped

[icy kernel]

The Demeter burst at 10 chill synergizes really well with that too

[split orbit]

Idk how good this build would be, but I watched someone use a similar build and afk hades on 15 heat so I thought it'd be a cool idea

I will, however, soon be doing some darkness grinding...

[icy kernel]

I like the idea

[still vigil]

how well does CoL sync with ME?

[unkempt pagoda]

it Does Not™️

you can get both, but trying to use one means cancelling out the other

[still vigil]

that...hurts to to know

thank you fer tellin me

[split orbit]

CoL? ME?

[pliant anvil]

curse of longing, merciful end @split orbit

[split orbit]

Thnks

[silk hearth]

time to try guan yu out

ive upgraded it too so i have more hp now :)

[still vigil]

it's a good spear

tried out dio dash

[split orbit]

After a good bit of darkness grinding I am gonna do the Arthur build

[still vigil]

doesnt not mesh well with my playstyle qwq

[pliant anvil]

dio dash is AWFUL

[split orbit]

Yeah its boo-boo garbage

[still vigil]

the way it works makes me think it's supposed to be a defensive dash but the way hangover works on top of its small radius makes it feels...eh?

[silk hearth]

only dash i like is athena dash

easy to use

[still vigil]

hunter dash is good on certain weapons, tidal dash got good dmg and makes quick work of tartarus/styx, and ares dash can be memey on gilga

[icy kernel]

I almost always go right for Athena TBH

(in fairness thats bc im a wimp)

[pliant anvil]

athena is a very good defensive option

great for learning and for ME

[kindred trout]

I don't understand the love for Hunter Dash. In most cases +50% of your base dash-strike damage will be like about +15 damage, maybe a little more for bow or with certain hammers. Mistral Dash has a base 15 damage and probably hits anything your dash-strike was going to hit and nobody gets excited about that.

[dry ember]

not everything love hunter dash

but the ones that do love it very much

bow, as you mentioned, is great because you dash strike a lot

weapons such as Nemesis Sword and most Spears love Hunter Dash because of Double Edge and Serrated Edge, respectively

Hestia also loves it because big base damage + 50% + Deadly Strike multiplier = big crits

So yeah, Hunter Dash synergies well with a lot of stuff, but certainly not all.

[cunning urchin]

probably hits anything your dash-strike was going to hit
It also has no "probably" modifier.

[dry ember]

oh and Spread Fire Hunter Dash on Zag Rail. I miss you old SF

[frail schooner]

hunter dash is not bad on rama

[dry ember]

honestly I would take Hunter Dash on any bow, even Chiron.

[silk hearth]

its good on anything u dash strike with

i would not take for chiron

there r better artemis boons

[dry ember]

not ideal, id rather have Divine Dash

[silk hearth]

yea

[dry ember]

but it's p second best? if you can't secure divine dash

[silk hearth]

its quite hard to get hunter dash since im using keepsake to get deadly flourish

then i look for aphro arti duo

[cunning urchin]

Chiron doesn't really need Divine Dash.

[opal lodge]

i would take tidal dash on chiron for styx but that's also my speed monkey brain

[silk hearth]

just checked my 40 heat chiron run

no dash it seems

[dry ember]

well technically you don't need any boon up to 40 heat, apparently

[silk hearth]

i cant get used to tidal dash range

[dry ember]

just need a good aspect

[silk hearth]

well

zag sword best aspect

or was it spear

[sonic mural]

whats the best stacking boon for chiron bow?

demeter dionysus or ares

[dry ember]

deadly flourish?

xD

[silk hearth]

dionysus

[cunning urchin]

Drunken Flourish if you want DOT.

Drunken Flourish really helps with Jury Summons.

[cunning ibex]

hey guys what do you like on hestia attack?

[dry ember]

Deadly Strike Hunter Dash

[cunning urchin]

Deadly Strike or Heartbreak Strike are both really good.

[dry ember]

although most %damage would do fine. You can even go Tempest Strike if you find enough support boon for it.

[opal lodge]

don't say that with nyaanyaa active

[dry ember]

what's she gonna do?

[cunning urchin]

I have no idea. What m I gonna do, @opal lodge?

[cunning ibex]

time to try 32 heat again

[opal lodge]

nothing with tempest strike i guess

[silk hearth]

tempest strike

[cunning urchin]

Just do Crepes's Hestia build they just posted.

Better than Tempest Strike.

[dry ember]

the true minimalist approach

[cunning urchin]

Shackle actually does do a lot more damage than Tempest Strike lol.

[dry ember]

I mean yeah, but also it's not practical since it's a challenge run.

[silk hearth]

tempest strike isnt practical either >:(

[dry ember]

well, more practical

[cunning urchin]

I don't think so.

I don't see +20% being more practical than +80%.

[icy kernel]

i like ||the Aspect of Arthur|| because it do a lot of damage :3

[cunning urchin]

That it do.

[icy kernel]

I realize it's a "win button" build once you get Artemis on your attack but honestly it's so much fun I don't care

Ares + ||Gilgamesh|| Special makes you One Punch Zag

[dry ember]

I don't see +20% being more practical than +80%.
its' more practical in the sense that you can swap keepsakes. idk why you are arguing as if taking the shackle is suddenly meta

in a normal run with sub optimal RNG, you still take Tempest Strike over nothing

also fwiw I cleared 42 heat with Tempest Strike Hestia, doesn't mean it's OP, just mean I would take it over nothing.
also unless I am doing a boonless challenge run, I wouldn't take shackle into Hades.

and by your logic, you shouldn't take Heartbreak Strike over Shackle either, what's 50% compared to 80%, right?

[pliant anvil]

before poms/rarity yeah