It's not the best
Since you want percentile more than tick damage
#h1-builds-and-combat
primal hazel
But I find it fun
proven osprey
yeah
pliant palm
For what weapon ?
proven osprey
the eyed shield
royal yarrow
@rigid zodiac where's that recommended noob builds guide you mentioned? I could use something like that
rigid zodiac
its pinned in #h1-for-new-players
royal yarrow
thank u 🙏
primal hazel
They're fun
magic stone
Okie
primal hazel
Ig power wise they're ok
At least they got they're magnetic buffed
thick osprey
whats a fun way to play the shield?
tall yarrow
I made a level 23 boon that was fun
solid hazel
Which boon?
tall yarrow
Heartbreak flourish
And I got special hits twice and hits a larger area (sword)
It was melting everything
primal hazel
Zeus with thunder flourish and explosive catch
hard kelp
i gotta say, i love hangover builds
pliant palm
Hangover build + the ares/dio duo
So good
I still hesitate, tho. For rama I never really l know if I should take aphro, ares, or artemis for the attack. Aphro means easy Privilege status, but the artemis/ares duo with dio are better, Id say
pliant anvil
why ares on rama attack?
Aphro/artemis are the best two choices. Artemis is higher burst, aphro is more consistent.
especially since that increases shared suffering's damage
hard kelp
i had been using rama dio special. but i just finished a dio attack rail run
pliant anvil
have you tried zeus on the rail? I think outside of hestia it's hands down the best attack boon for it
hard kelp
i have. i did that early on alot in my game play. but then i started falling in love with dot builds
pliant anvil
ahh
hard kelp
after i level up some specific aspects, ill try out some cast builds
split orbit
So what is everyone's "Melt Everything" Builds? Mine was a Hunting Blades hera bow run.
pliant anvil
Besides the typical eris rail zeus build? I like hunting blades on achilles because it get's the 150% damage boost and there's no waiting for stones to drop
or zeus shield + zeus special for easy shield clears
pliant anvil
duo with...dio? Or aphro?
pliant palm
Dio
pliant palm
Wat
pliant anvil
Rama is about tagging them with your special once, then quickly firing off attacks to clear groups at once
cyan forge
What’s a good railgun build
pliant palm
Not at high heat
pliant anvil
Oh, high heat? I didn't know you were talking about high heat.
pliant palm
Well
pliant anvil
High heat is a different game, I thought you were talking about general builds for it.
pliant palm
High-ish
outer cave
i do so much damage
pliant anvil
I still don't think it's very effective. You'd be better off with like, chiron.
limber valley
Tailesque's 56 heat rama did special -> attacks
pliant anvil
Tag once, then get max stacks
cyan forge
What’s a good railgun build for just level 1 heat
pliant palm
Im not saying to not use attack
outer cave
zeus attack
pliant anvil
Yeah, because most of the damage from rama comes from the shared suffering.
outer cave
for railgun zeus attack is great
cyan forge
I should use Zeus
turbid needle
After trying zeus attack on rail it feels hard to use anything else
pliant anvil
better to go athena/aphrodite on special to get heartrend or deadly reversal
How high heat are we talking?
Like, 32? 20?
Higher? Lower?
pliant palm
My highest with rama is 40
pliant anvil
ah. well, I guess if it works for you, it works for you.
pliant palm
Im just wondering overall what the best choice is
Cuz well, all 3 seems good in there own way
cyan forge
I’m using one heat since I just beat game
pliant anvil
I just think it's wasting rama's potential for duos by focusing on a secondary damage source that doesn't do much
pliant palm
And Im having trouble deciding what to take for 45
opal lodge
rama is about power shotting at high heat
pliant anvil
@cyan forge take any rail, and put zeus attack on it
opal lodge
the special is to set up room clear
pliant anvil
Yeah, that's why I'm having trouble believing that dio on special is a good choice
opal lodge
dio on special is a very good choice
pliant anvil
On rama?
pliant anvil
But they're doing ares duo
pliant palm
Dio is defo the best for special
opal lodge
i don't rate the ares duo at all
pliant palm
No doubt about that
opal lodge
that sounds like a haelian meme
pliant anvil
Unless I'm mistaken on what @pliant palm was running
I mean, in general the ares/dio duo is pretty good
it's just a 37.5% increase iirc
but rama isn't good at getting stacks, any other bow would be better I feel
opal lodge
just doesn't really help you vs bosses
you can always just get curse of vengeance + artemis attack + dio special
pliant palm
Rama is the best one at getting stacks
pliant palm
On multiple enemies
pliant anvil
I mean, it does because it's just faster ticks, which means faster damage.
Eh, I guess.
opal lodge
but if you're relying on your special to be your dps you're not doing rama
pliant palm
Well idk
pliant anvil
I just wouldn't rate the dio/ares boon very highly for rama
pliant anvil
because again, rama is attack focused
pliant anvil
I feel like with your build chiron would just be an upgrade
pliant palm
Thats... Not true
The attack of rama is better
And you spread dio curse faster with rama special
pliant anvil
but you're focusing on hang over damage
you can quickly tag an enemy, special, and repeat
pliant palm
Rama is still better
To spread hangover
And I hate chiron with FO2
The special animation takes too long
pliant anvil
eh, like I said, if it works for you, it works for you. I just don't think relying on the ares duo boon is particularly effective when you can get so much more from the attack because of shared suffering
pliant palm
Well
opal lodge
rama is better at spreading hangover but curse of nausea rama is a meme
opal lodge
tailesque has some godly rama vods on YT
pliant palm
Eh, i feel like people underestimate curse of nausea
opal lodge
power shot is the way
pliant anvil
I mean, I can see how rama is better for spreading hangover
pliant palm
Or hangover dmg overall
pliant anvil
CoN is great, it's just a 37.5% damage increase, which matters if you focus on hangover damage
outer cave
ok so what would be the ideal rama build
pliant anvil
and it's a multiplicative damage increase because it's just faster ticks
opal lodge
IMO for low heat aphro special heart rend build is the best
pliant palm
Artemis atk, athena dash, dio special
outer cave
what about for high heat?
pliant palm
I guess ?
opal lodge
high heat heart rend still works but dio special is probably better for taking off DC hearts
pliant anvil
I think after thinking about I would also run dio special for the crit chance increase. More consistent damage/crits with artemis usually benefits it a lot.
outer cave
how do i build gilgamesh
pliant anvil
I think you can still do a standard ME build on it, but I don't have a lot of experience with it.
outer cave
im dumb what does ME stand for
pliant anvil
Merciful End
pliant palm
To win with gilgamesh, I guess the easiest would be an heart rend build
pliant anvil
it's an Ares/Athena duo
pliant palm
And ofc athena dash
pliant anvil
yeah because rapid dashes
oh, and take the +damage/dodge dash
because it gives you two extra dashes
pliant anvil
no reason to pass on 50% dodge and 50% more global damage
(which can be combined with Maim to make a low quality eris basically)
outer cave
is the +dmg/dodge hermes dash
pliant anvil
no, it's in the mirror
pliant palm
Everything is low quality compared to eris, lel
outer cave
forgot that existed
pliant anvil
ruthless reflex or something
that's true 😛 everything is low quality compared to eris
pliant anvil
yeah. Relying on hermes to give you dashes is a big oof
on the other hand it can teach you to time your dashes better
pliant palm
Some attack are just awful to dodge with one dash tho
pliant anvil
oh yeah for sure
pliant palm
Mostly think about EM3 asterius, or hades
pliant anvil
like hade's multi swing if you're in a bad place, or Asterius's swings/spins, or meg's ground explosions
yeah
pliant palm
But even againt like the chariot, it can be bad
pliant anvil
yeah when it rushes through the middle of the room
pliant anvil
anyways, it was fun debating about Rama, TIL something about it.
primal hazel
Yoo firing hera fully loaded and then five seeking casts coming out of it looks so sick
outer cave
ok i didnt think explosive shot would make the draw speed THIS slow
still vigil
has anyone used casts with melee weapons minus beo?
unkempt pagoda
curse of drowning would hope you were playing a melee weapon
cunning urchin
I still think Blizzard Shot is #1 on Talos, and Talos is #1 for Blizzard Shot.
mellow warren
does anybody know how hera bow works with twin shot? does it duplicate the cast damage on a loaded shot?
proven osprey
@mellow warren it does not
cunning urchin
Yes.
mellow warren
@mellow warren it does not
@proven osprey boo! 😄
mighty ermine
lol, twin and triple shot as just, ultimate mirage shot on hera
keen portal
Can someone please explain to me what on earth ||are the skulls Hades throws as soon as he reappears ||???
rare kayak
id that four shots or six
keen portal
And how to dodge them since they are hone onto you at really fast speeds
rare kayak
its just his version of his cast
if you get hit u take dbl damage for a while
and to dodge them... just learn his patterns i guess? lmao
keen portal
Ohh
I thought I figured how to beat Hades but the most dangerous thing are the skulls
rare kayak
they dont have as good turning speeds so perpendicular to their flight path is the best way to dodge
keen portal
Yes but he reappears at random locations and shoots them instantly
proven osprey
Asterius has a better turning speed
keen portal
No wind up
proven osprey
What a chad
rare kayak
the only times he actually instantly fires is when he fires them off to the side before thrusting at you
single cast shots have a little bit of windup
lean knot
Yes but he reappears at random locations and shoots them instantly
@keen portal you can see his footprints in the snow, then you can dodge laterally. timing takes some practice
fading skiff
is there a tierlist for the best infernal arms and aspects?
pliant anvil
Not really. You could check the speedrunning guides for a general idea of what's fastest though
Personally, and I think most people would agree, eris is best in general
outer cave
i think all of them are usable
pliant anvil
They're all definitely usable and good.
You can't really go wrong picking any aspect
silk hearth
how do i use eris? i know u take zeus attack but im not sure about the rest
also is the combo special - attack till no more ammo and special again?
devout ether
special often, not just when out of ammo
There is no real secret, it's just use special often, get the buff, deal massive damage
You play it like any other rail, just dealing way more damage
opal lodge
your special damage is very significant, especially in tartarus
you can sometimes just buff once, then chuck a special at one half of the room while you clear the otehr half
silk hearth
oki
what do i build for special/dash/call?
any duo boons or legendary boons i shld get
devout ether
literally anything bruh
Artemis does wonders on special
The real thing you need to look out for is cluster bomb and rocket
Triple bomb is also great
mighty ermine
tidal dash in particular is popular with eris
opens up sea storm, and tidal dash's huge base damage combined with eris boost just skyrockets
silk hearth
oh so eris boosts all dmg
mighty ermine
yeah, attack, special, dash, call, etc.
devout ether
oh so eris boosts all dmg
@silk hearth Yes, which is why it really doesnt matter what you pick, you're gonna deal monster damage anyways
pliant anvil
not exactly. Urge to kill is only attack, special, and cast
whereas eris includes stuff like doom or zeus lightning or hangover
and calls
and support fire
Also, waiting for your special buff before firing is a mistake, Always be shooting, you'll clear rooms faster.
outer cave
the strongest spear maybe
queen patrol
yeah
open heron
i dont really get the other spears
the dash spear is just... weird
and who wants to spam spin attack
queen patrol
posiden sword/guan spear/deme fist/forgot the gun one but the one that u go into ur special for more damage
best weapons in the game i think
oblique temple
I really like the aspect of Lucifer actually
The beam damage ramp up is NUTS
I’d you can get the triple bomb hammer and always be spamming bombs it’s killer
Combine that with Demeter attack and the ability that makes it so chill causes decay
And Demeters cast
You really wanna focus Demeter with it though, Demeter and Athena is a great combo as their duo makes your cast home on enemies better, and Demeter Zeus is really good because it makes your jolted effects not expire
solid igloo
I'm still learning better builds. I used to run aspect of Hestia on Exagryph or Nemesis on Stygius. I'm looking for better builds on everything. I'm not a huge fan of Exagryph though. Any suggestions?
solid cairn
Eris
open heron
extending jab, breaching skewer or winged serpent on guan yu
hm
i dont really know whats best here on floor 1
mighty ermine
breaching skewer
open heron
i just want 200% special dmg 😦
formal hawk
untold iris
I just had an amazing shield run which was on track to be my fastest clear by far, but I got a 5 sack in styx 😦
still ended up with a 14 minute clear, but it was kind of sad knowing it could have been much better
vagrant olive
can someone help me out with my addiction to grandma's aimbot lazers?
it's just such a good cast boon that I've been banking on finding demeter over the past 5 run
but i kinda wanna use other cast boons too
dry ember
you can stop that addiction by going aimbot slicing shot
vagrant olive
elaborate please
dry ember
Hunting Blade (Artemis and Ares duo)
vagrant olive
oh artemis
dry ember
it makes Blade Rift seek targets
vagrant olive
I acutally haven't seen ares and artemis for 2 irl days while playing hades
somehow
dry ember
you will, eventually
vagrant olive
it's just been all demter, zeus and posiden
but I've had 1 run where I met artimes 5 times
untold iris
you can break your addiction when you realize that you get -50% damage by taking demeter cast :^)
dry ember
god speed
vagrant olive
cool, ty
dry ember
yup, one of the core boons, and you are there.
vagrant olive
great
river river
Hey couple of speed running questions. If i am running a zeus/poseidon Eris Build, and get offered a 2 god trial encouter, in tarturus should i take it? basically it was early in the run where it would have potentially given me boons that i needed
is there ever a scenario where i am taking a trial room in a speed run?
pliant anvil
@river river for speed running? I'd say no, as they cannot give duo boons AND they usually take longer I think.
because the room doesn't pause time, and doesn't start the encounter until you pick a boon
river river
ok that makes sense....do you mean they wouldnt give duo boons because it was too early in the build, or does a trial room just not give duos in general
pliant anvil
trial rooms cannot give duos period
dry ember
^
river river
ah cool
pliant anvil
that being said, if you're just pushing your PB, and not on a WR grind, it might be an early powerspike for you
i.e. I've gotten VERY lucky and picked up splitting bolt before in before the hydra
dry ember
I can't see a scenario where you take trial in Tartarus tbh
you kinda need lightning strike as first boon
river river
yeah im just looking for sub 10...im at 11:02 rn
dry ember
taking trial just for Pos Dash is questionable.
just take it in Asphodel, you can still make sub 10.
pliant anvil
I think I did solely because I had the pre-reqs for splitting bolt, but that's it. It was a risk, and it paid off imo to get splitting bolt that early
that being said, it's super rare and not worth it usually
dry ember
I guess if you get a specific Zeus/Pos trail and you don't have pos dash, maybe
pliant anvil
it'd be like expecting to get rocket/cluster every run i.e.
river river
thats what i thought...
river river
yeah so on the hammers...if i dont get rocket cluster, what are my next best options
dry ember
Delta Chamber 
pliant anvil
Flurry shot or delta chamber I feel
river river
ricochet? seeking?
pliant anvil
I like flurry because it dumps the mag way quicker
river river
yeah the extra ammo is good also
pliant anvil
and I think seeking applies to the zeus lightning bolt, but I'm not 100% sure
dry ember
flurry delta triple, maybe piercing
dry ember
most hammers help, so there is that
just don't take Hazard Bomb, no matter how janky you want your build to be.
pliant anvil
yeah I wouldn't say there's a bad hammer, except for hazard and spread
river river
yeah that was an obvious trap lol
dry ember
yeah that was an obvious trap lol
I did take Hazard Bomb Eris during a race lmao
I died, fwiw
just... don't
pliant anvil
yeah lol
pliant anvil
GL
river river
oh also....for heat...i know EM 2 is the way to go...but for forced overtime should i be at 20 or 40%?
dry ember
afaik, up to you. for WR attempt, FO2 is kinda the way to go.
for just personal runs, I find FO doesn't matter
river river
cool
oh shoot more questions lol
does hyper sprint's speed boost work with the speed damage boost from hermes?
opal lodge
hyper sprint + epic rush delivery gives you +100% damage for hyper sprint duration
river river
thats pretty legit
pliant anvil
yeah it's crazy good
ornate prawn
so i just need stubborn defiance and dark regeneration for the dark reflections prophecy
anything i should keep in mind when taking those mirror talents?
pliant anvil
since you get one SD per run, if your HP is below 30%, make sure to die and get more HP
and athena/demeter boons that refill your SD grant you an extra SD if you take them after having used SD iirc
so you can hold up to two SD that way
ornate prawn
demeter?
pliant anvil
Ice Grandma
ornate prawn
no i mean i didn't know she had SD-refilling boons
pliant anvil
I think she has one or two at most iirc
placid topaz
i thought it was just athena and chaos
ornate prawn
so i can only use the athena defiance boons to pick up a defiance if i've already used my one for the room?
pliant anvil
yeah
and they'll give you an extra charge because changing rooms will also give you one
crisp solstice
also keep 200 gold on hand for kiss of styx in the wells
pliant anvil
oh, I was thinking of the athena/demeter duo, which can be time consuming, but really good with SD for safety
placid topaz
stubborn roots can help but its so slow
pliant anvil
yeah, like I said, slow, but safe
especially since with dark regeneration you're looking for darkness to heal and the heal isn't very good unless you pick up poseidon/chaos boons
ornate prawn
oh i was gonna do them in separate runs lol
pliant anvil
ahh ok
ornate prawn
been slowly knocking out the last ones i need
just had a nice ruthless reflex run thanks to hermes giving my dashes back
crisp solstice
does anyone have suggestions on how to play Chaos shield? I've heard it's good but idk what to do with it
im guessing just bull rush -> special for big damage
pliant anvil
zeus and beo are both pretty good
beo is a cast based build, and zeus shield is very good with zeus special
opal lodge
aspect of chaos you bull rush special
but in tartarus especially you can sometimes just special and not even need the extra shields
explosive return and charged shot are good hammers
zeus/ares on special are good
artemis is good on attack
silver sky
Is everything that counts as a "trap" already there, or can they be things placed by enemies?
Like for example, would hades' green big urn things in his second wave count as a "trap"
river wing
it would
silver sky
good enough an answer for me
...Yet I accidentally just misclicked and got a different boon. Wow.
Wooooooow.
stark ore
Also why Heightened Security can be awful, when it’s active those urns hit for 150 damage
river wing
i havnt really explored that much. not sure if other stuff like jar which throws mines would count as traps
open heron
my first run with heightened security i got sniped for my last life
didnt realize the urns hit so hard
cerulean pendant
Who else has huge problem distinguishing attack's animations and VFX? The game is getting ridicules if i have signed the pact with more enemies. Most of the times i cant see the HUD element of being aimed.
I think it was a bad decision to give the same colour pallet both on the environment and the feedback VFX
silk hearth
yea its quite hard to tell them apart so i dont take more enemies if i can
warped hemlock
christ, how in the hell do I use the fists? I swear every time I try and use them it's always a disaster and I have to pull out all the stops to even have a chance
river wing
don't do the last punch in your combo
so hold down attack, and dash before you finish the combo. this way you can attack continously.
the last punch has a huge end lag.
zues attack is great on it.
warped hemlock
I'm not even able to use my punch effectively, I didn't get any boons that would benefit attack, I had to go with a special build, and the special leaves me so vulnerable. after every attack. Not to mention it takes much longer to use it.
If I'm forced to use special should I just throw the run? Like, is there any effective special build or is the special just a lost cause?
I feel like I've been on this one run for over an hour, that's how slow and tedious it's been, and I still have no DDs
mighty ermine
the dash-upper special is much more flexible than normal specials
opal lodge
is the dash upper impacted by chaos dash strike boons
mighty ermine
i wish i could remember, i think i used to know
opal lodge
me too tbh
river wing
you can dash away before you land on the floor when you special.
opal lodge
only one way to find out i guess
i think hunter dash increases it but i also can't remember that either LMAO
warped hemlock
After taking my time with the special in each chamber, it feels endless. I know the dash-upper is fairly good, if you can get a good build for it, but I couldn't get anything both my special and my attack are pretty trash tbh.
opal lodge
i feel like we need to start writing some of these down
warped hemlock
welp time to fight the big man himself and attempt to whittle his health down bit by bit, and then get swiftly kicked back down to below.
river wing
you probably already know this, but dash-upper chains into special very smootly
if you use that poke and dash away, that's already 100 base damage which isn't the worse.
warped hemlock
Yeah. It would be nice if I had any damage buffs from boons, but the only one I have is from poseidon and that's a fairly minor damage boost, not even a 50% increase, compared to others which can get to be pretty high
correct me if I'm wrong, but building damage buffs from special and attack boons are fairly important with fists right? Like, without that you're sort of handicapped.
river wing
o isn't poseidon special good? it's second after aphro
i mean it's important with all weapons.
warped hemlock
It's poseidon attack, not special unfortunately. With Poseidon special you can play ping pong with enemies and the wall or other enemies and it can stack pretty powerfully.
river wing
oh yea. poseidon attack is really low. it isn't good unless you stack many poseidon boons.
warped hemlock
With fists it's especially important though, because comboing is a main mechanic with that weapon, but the downside of comboing is that it takes time and leaves you open to counterattacks pretty easily.
And you have no range so there's no outranging the enemies.
Like, if you can't make those two to three hits count when you get them on an enemy you're in for a long fight of whittling them down, and with me personally, long fights make me impatient and I get greedy and I get hit, and that adds up. Ideally I should really look up builds, but I'm bad at memorizing things, so I sort of just get what I'm given. The most strategizing I do is getting certain gods to make sure Theseus doesn't get them. And I couldn't do that this run because I was focusing on other things, so he got Aphrodite and I basically got destroyed, and barely survived that fight
cunning urchin
Dash-Strike boons buff Dash-Upper, yes.
warped hemlock
And I lost, the only chance I had at beating him was to make use of the special healing daedalus hammer for the fists, it's possible to abuse in the ||Hades|| fight (I'm spoiling that under the impression I need to), but I was too tilted to stand a chance at making that happen.
cunning urchin
I didn't get any boons that would benefit attack
You will always be offered one of Attack, Special, Cast, or Dash until those slots are filled.
So if you have Special, Cast, and Dash, you'll 100% be offered an Attack.
warped hemlock
Oh, perhaps the boons I was offered didn't benefit damage then, so I took others in their place. Or maybe I took some other options in place of one of those offered.
Oh, nevermind, I'm dumb, I already mentioned the attack boon I got was poseidon, the special boon I got was Zeus, and the cast boon I got was Dionysus which is honestly one of the better cast boons imo, but hitting with it is the problem
cunning urchin
Yeah, Tempest Strike is terrible on Malphon. Should never take that.
warped hemlock
I think I meant that I didn't get any good beneficial damage boons associated with my attack or special.
warped hemlock
If I don't take one of the 2 (attack/special) when offered am I guaranteed to get another in the future from another god?
cunning urchin
Yes, they'll keep offering you those priority slots until you fill them.
1 priority boon offer is guaranteed.
turbid needle
I did well with the kick upgrade for the special and the aphrodite special, then I used the ||hades keepsake|| that's pretty useful
cunning urchin
One of those things that makes life a whole lot easier and builds way more consistent once you know how it works.
turbid needle
Mess of poseidon boons with a high level rupture and the poseidon legendary
Yeah especially because it ||clears poison dear god that saved me so much damage||
cunning urchin
E.g., if you get any Attack, Special, and Cast in Tartarus and you take the Owl Pendant into Asphodel, you'll 100% get Divine Dash.
Tip for poison: just pause immediately when you're poisoned and look where you need to go and how to safely get there.
warped hemlock
I can finally afford to get my last mirror power now, the thing that lets me refresh boons offered from gods, so that should also help.
turbid needle
I use the other one but I like both
I'm up to 7 rerolls I like having lots of them, the other one is so expensive
warped hemlock
Darkness is hard to come by unless you go for that instead of higher heat, but where's the fun in no heat right? I just got lucky and got an epic chaos that benefitted gems and darkness, and then got two troves for it that I cleared pretty quick and that was enough lol.
cunning urchin
I use neither apparently because for some reason I've decided to do 32 all weapons mirrorless lol.
3/6 done.
warped hemlock
Yeah, the most I got to was like, 25 heat maybe? on the pre-1.0 file, and that was with 1 weapon lol, and I'm taking my time more in this file now because I want to experience everything, but I've finally got all that I needed to really take my time with out of the way, so I can focus more on heat, but I think I've gotten rusty now.
cunning urchin
I never deliberately farmed Darkness, either. I just did bounties and high heat and whatever I felt like running.
warped hemlock
Man, Forced Overtime though
cunning urchin
I got a Greatest Reflex from Lord Hermes in Asphodel. So I had my two dashes back lol.
river wing
1 lvl of routine inspection makes you.so much more susceptible to rng.
Greatest reflex 
warped hemlock
Oh, probably, but I'm not that hardcore yet. Lol. I need to warm up to that. Forced Overtime is my first step in that, and man, for some reason the first run I did it, I just think I didn't notice it because the run was so good, but in this last run with the fists, it felt insane lol. I had only just started with FO on my old file, so I still need to warm up to it, but I'm always happy to die more lol.
cunning urchin
That's why I turned off CF to buy more boons and whatever to make up for the loss of Dark Foresight to some extent.
Yeah, FO2 is pretty brutal compared to FO0.
FO1 is in that weird place inbetween lol.
warped hemlock
I am tempted to just give myself as much heat as I can and go for it because I want to train myself, but I also don't want to hate playing the game lol. I place it pretty casually because I typically don't have much time to game or sit down and practice, so I think I've done it once and got decimated.
So right now I'm keeping it on 10 heat and trying to clear it with that with each weapon (I only have managed to clear the fists with no heat thus far lol). I haven't yet decided what to add to it after that for a slow build to a more challenging run, but I have a ways to go before I need to add to it. I also decide each weapon I use based on darker thirst, I don't know if that's a good plan, but it's what I've been doing so far, so I can at least get some extra stuff.
warped hemlock
I don't really know, I sort of want to get gems and pimp out my underworld, but I'm also sort of just trying to progress in every aspect of the game as much as I can. So really, there isn't any particular goal, other than, progression I guess?
cunning urchin
That's a goal.
silk storm
What do we think of aspect of Lucifer?
plucky harbor
Greatest super soaker ever
olive sleet
my god aspect of Arthur + athena's deflect boon on attack in fkin op.. lmao
just playing baseball against witches
sacred folio
About the spear's minispin: does anyone found the correct timing of minispin yet? I believe 0.26 second is correct (it's from the game's files after all)
I'm about to edit the wiki to write the timing numbers down. But I'd like to ask for some confirmation here.
frank dew
Personally i love lucifer
teal juniper
I just got hermes legendary with poseidon sword and rapid fire cast, soooo fun
poseidon cast as well
calm bluff
What Call do people use to chunk bosses? I've been using Aphrodite since it's good at all ranks.
toxic rose
Zeus is best overall
fast moss
What does the ambiguity bonus do?
barren otter
nothing
untold vortex
it bestows you with the power of knowing bouldy believes in you and that you'll accomplish great things
fast moss
Hmm.
unborn pebble
I don’t even know what set off the bot?
untold vortex
A swear most likely
fast moss
Not sure when I'll play again, will probably take a break for the rest of the day but next time I'll use the bow. Any recommendations for aspects and what boons to try to go for?
dusty ridge
meta bow is chiron
unborn pebble
Achilles Aspect Spear with a multi-stone cast build
dusty ridge
with stuff like dio special
untold vortex
There's a pinned guide in #h1-for-new-players with a general guide for all base weapons TCT ^_^
unborn pebble
Like, say, Dio or Demeter cast
fast moss
I love Chiron yeah, but so far I've done badly with it. I'm playing a bit too agressive I think.
unborn pebble
Speaking of Chiron
My current run-in-progress made me realise why they nerfed the base damage on the special.
Because I got a hammer first thing and got the Concentrated Fire on it’s special...
dusty ridge
@fast moss not an expert of the bow either (far from it), but with dio special you can use the regular widespread shot to deal damages through hangover when you're facing a lot of small enemies
unborn pebble
First boon was an Epic Artemis Special
And I only have the damn aspect at lvl 3 so far!
fast moss
Yeah I know. First win with bow was with zagreus aspect, and I had poison special. It was good for rooms with lots of weak enemies, like the skulls.
unborn pebble
But I can’t recommend Demeter Cast + Achilles Aspect Spear highly enough.
fast moss
Wasn't specifically asking for a newbie guide @untold vortex , just wanted a random fun build to try. But I'll take a look at that guide.
brave mica
Trying to play with Serrated Point. Do attack dmg increase dash attack?
dusty ridge
oh, if you want a random build try ares bow with the doom stack boon and ares + athena duo for insta-proc doom effects
plus other doom buffs
unborn pebble
It does, SjuSju
untold vortex
What's the wording on serrated point again?
unborn pebble
Tripple hit, reduced dash range
untold vortex
(exact wording)
unborn pebble
I can’t recall if it decreases individual hit damage
brave mica
crit build here i come
unborn pebble
“Dash attack hits 3 times”
frank dew
yeh only dashes
proven osprey
It's an amazing dps tool
untold vortex
Hammers that affect a specific thing only affect that thing
proven osprey
use it at your own risks vs Hades tho
frank dew
its abit risky but it does ALOT of dmg
unborn pebble
And +% boons on Attack Damage from Chaos, or the Dash from Artemis increases the damage of all 3 hits
As does the +% dash damage boons from Chaos
untold vortex
Yeah since attack boons also affect dash strikes 
(there's an exception with Hermes attack speed and bow though)
unborn pebble
If you’re going for a Serrated Point Crit build I’d heavily recommend Artemis Attack with the Athena Dash, Athena Special, and hopefully extra dashes from Hermes to later try and acquire the Artemis-Athena duo boon
That should set you up for a decent amount of defence to try and get through Hades
brave mica
yes have to pray for a Divine Dash
unborn pebble
Just remember to be careful in how often you press the attack button when you’re dashing about
brave mica
and extra dash
unborn pebble
As dash-attacking cancels your invulnerability frames.
brave mica
thanks will keep that in mind
unborn pebble
(And holding down attack while dashing stops them from being generated in the first place)
I learned that the hard way with the fists 
“I got Athena Attack and Athena Dash, I’ll be fiiiine,” I thought.
I was, in fact, very much not fine.
I tried to Dash through the Phase 2 beams to get in the close-and got stun-locked through my 2 death defiances before getting one-shot by a spin I couldn’t dash through in time.
This was on my old save, mind, with 20% god mode damage reduction.
That was a fun experience.
Starting on a fresh save after launch of 1.0 is one of my best decisions ever. The conversations line up a lot better, for one, and I didn’t misprioritise my Blood spending for another.
eager grail
I’ve yet to beat dad without Athena. Any build recs outside of Athena?
calm bluff
I always have Athena dash. The amount of projectiles it reflects is great.
The rest can be w/e
Other than Athena, Dionysus and Aphrodite are good for keeping curse effects on enemies. Since most of the other ones get consumed or are hard to keep up
eager grail
Does Demeter freeze count as a curse effect
calm bluff
Oh right, forgot about that one. Yeah, that's a good one too
eager grail
The last weapon remaining to have at least 1 win with is the rail. I cannot figure out the strategy with that thing. I’m so bad at reloading and it feels really underpowered
calm bluff
Rail is more about the special than the attack
The rail has some good special upgrades and you primarily use that with filling in with casts/attack in between
eager grail
Which aspect do you prefer
calm bluff
Or I guess at higher heat you'd be dodging mostly
I haven't unlocked any aspect yet since I'm still working on my mirror, other than the Zag ones. I'd say without knowledge on the hidden aspect, Eris doesn't look bad
but hoo boy, the 300% special damage hammer but you hurt yourself
That was an experience
eager grail
Lol
calm bluff
Like by the end, I think I was doing 1000 damage per shot or something ridiculous
And it was like launching a nuke
Such a big radius
calm bluff
Well, it's high to me for single target damage.
waxen comet
@eager grail Do you mean Chill or Decay? Chill is a curse, Decay is not
turbid needle
I think only curse is a curse
weary quarry
how do I use the ||hades|| keepsake?
cause I have no idea how I am supposed to use it
spare flare
Spoilers are allowed in this channel, anyway, you know?
frank dew
you use it as a call
weary quarry
am I supposed to dodge stuff with it?
should I greed with it for that 8 second invis
spare flare
It confers an empowered attack, too.
weary quarry
damn really?
frank dew
that all depends on situation
spare flare
At full charge, it's more power, and it doesn't kick you our of invisibility, so a lot more power.
Hestia is absolutely not as strong as Eris.
Also strong? Yes. Plenty viable at high Heat? Yes. A fine alternative? Yes. An acceptable playstyle choice? Of course.
Not as strong, though, no.
olive spruce
how do people get these huge damage numbers?
spare flare
With Exagryph, take Thunder Strike, add extra goodstuff like Static Discharge, Heartbreak Flourish with Smoldering Air, Deadly Flourish with Lightning Rod and Double Strike, whatever.
By critting, mostly.
frank dew
yeh mostly crits or just having weapons that do big hits
it doesnt mean they do more dmg in terms of dps just bigger hits
olive spruce
the most I've ever gotten was Arthur with a Chaos attack boon, a high % attack boon, and shadow slash
primal hazel
It's not always about "bigger hits" when accounting for dps
spare flare
Crit mod is 3 + H + K.
H = IF("Heart Rend",1.5,0)
K = Clean Kill value
frank dew
Zeus is all about the little stuff adding up
primal hazel
The patches haven't hit the switch yet right?
Luci lob time still seems the same to me
spare flare
Right.
olive spruce
I don't think so
primal hazel
Eugh
turbid needle
Anyone here speedruns with eris rail? I've been trying to get sub 10 for some time, my PB is 11:15, pretty much always getting 11:XX. What are possibly some things that new players do wrong that I lose so much time on? (about 5 mins compared to WR.) I've been using hypnos keepsake and patroclus for elysium and styx, since I dont think there is anything that helps. (I've seen people use hades' one, but I don't know why, it doesnt seem to do much). Any advice?
primal hazel
Pause when deciding which doors to take
turbid needle
yeah I do that
primal hazel
Or in general
Also take every shop and npc room
turbid needle
I think I keep using attack wrong.
yeah those are basics, I think about the more advanced stuff
primal hazel
Woah sry princess xD
turbid needle
if anyone here gets consistent sub 9/10 can you dm?
primal hazel
Ask @cunning urchin and @mighty ermine
turbid needle
thx
cunning urchin
Thunder Signet in Tartarus, Conch Shell in Asphodel, Sigil for the rest of the run.
Lightning Strike, Tidal Dash, Sea Storm, Splitting Bolt, and just whatever else you can get for more damage on those two abilities.
turbid needle
nyaanyaa I feel like when Im using eris rail I use too much ammo, lose time on reloading.
should I just shoot with dash?
I think it can save like even up to 30 seconds overall if done well
(at least I think thats how the wr did it)
and ofc you should reload when using special if u can
Although I think I mostly lose time in elysium, since Ive been getting like hydra 5 flat, which seem sgood for sub 10
primal hazel
Why does eris hate me
I never got rocket bomb and cluster fire together
cunning urchin
I dunno, I just kinda held down Attack and dashed into everything, using Special when reloading etc., when I wanted to get sub 12 and accidentally got 9 min with a 3 sack lol. I'm not a speedrunner or Eris player.
proven osprey
Eris is so dumb, I got a sub 12 with EM4, just spamming dash strike
cunning urchin
You can just watch Eris speedruns for their attack rotations.
proven osprey
But of course speedrunning requires precision
turbid needle
thats what im doing, although it woul be easier for someone to explain than me guessing xD there definitely is some trick to that!
cunning urchin
Maybe that will help some. You might be wasting a lot of time not clearing rooms efficiently and clearing the last wave far away from the exit.
Also, any obols you need to spend on healing, you're not spending on getting more damage.
cunning urchin
What's that? I only do mirrorless.
proven osprey
oh excuse me
cerulean orchid
Question - I just got the blizzard shot duo and?? Am I missing something with it?
I don't know if it's just not clicking with me but it does not seem that great
unkempt pagoda
shotgun with it
cerulean orchid
yeah see that must be it. I've been running stygian
didn't know what to expect when i got it
turbid needle
Does aspect of hera stack with quick reload?
proven osprey
you have to build around cast yeah
turbid needle
right, but maxing out aspect of hera and then adding quick reload was my question
proven osprey
I was answering CustodiaDivina
But maxed Hera is 5s, I don't know if quick reload overwrites it
turbid needle
ah ok, my bad
proven osprey
also you might as well use non lodging cast
unborn pebble
So I only recently got back into Hades about a week and a half ago after an absence since mid spring. I was wondering why Chiron Bow got its special that nerfed in that recent patch, and now having a run in progress of it at lvl 3 with Concentrated Fire and an Epic Artemis Special I fully understand.
The absolute HECK are those numbers?!?
cunning urchin
All the bows were buffed a lot in 1.0.
unborn pebble
And I only have 6/8 possible arrows so far!!!
Well, relentless volley would but it at 10, I guess...
Ahh
cunning urchin
The nerf was just some adjustment to that. It's still a lot stronger than it used to be and one of the strongest aspects.
unborn pebble
Makes sense.
Also for the meme of it, AchilleSpear or ErisGryph with a Cast build? Yummy!!!
I recently had a lvl 2 AchilleSpear run with Artemis-Demeter Duo, a 6-Pom Demeter Cast and a 2-Pom Glacial Glare (and 2 +1 Cast boons from based Chaos).
still vigil
So
unborn pebble
I think I saw a final number of 6899 for the casts when papa Hades toppled over
unborn pebble
Large numbers as in rare result?
unborn pebble
Makes sense, I got the cast as my first boon and got 2 nectars and a Pom before anything else.
Is GilgaMaim considered a curse?
Because if Yes that is a very easy way to proc that mirror damage boost
still vigil
What yer were talkin about about yer cast is what i was refferin to by lrg numbers.
I'm relying on my getting aphro atk , dio special to have peer pressure and bad influence, and
Maim is not considered a curse
A debuff but not a curse
Curses are god specific
Like Marked, Weak, Doom etc
calm saddle
privileged status doesn't work off maim unfortunately
unborn pebble
I fon’t know if it’s a 32-heat build, but DioAttack+ArtemisSpecial+DuoBoon?
Aphro Cast and hope for that duo too?
still vigil
I dun think a lot of atks in this game like dio on atk
unborn pebble
Yup
Probably not
Was more thinking of the meme-maim hit
But is Maim even crit-able?
still vigil
He doesnt scale the atk % and doesn't synergize particularly with things thatre slow or have high base dmg
Meme is crittable
unborn pebble
Does it Scale with Special?
unborn pebble
Ahhh
unborn pebble
Yeah, and given that my suggestion sort of relies on 4 diff gods, even I see it’s not really viable at 32 heat.
Would, however, be a fun meme if you could get a Heartrend+Low Tolerance+Splitting Headache up on the maim.
still vigil
Perhaps!
You should try it while I'm try to see if Dio Gilgamesh could work fer snowballin crowds
Actually it does work
unborn pebble
Maybe lower heat and swap to Aphro Attack + Dio Dash
And then... Artemis Special, Dio Cast?
still vigil
For?
unborn pebble
GilgaMeme
unborn pebble
In my opinion? A long-shot concept that is either hilarious and usable or unlikely but stronk.
unborn pebble
Your build? No.
It seems very sensible in regards to what I know of higher heats
Which is mostly PANIKPANIKPANIK-Oneshot-Ded
still vigil
XD
unborn pebble
So defenses are a must.
still vigil
welll it does have a glaring disadvantage
unborn pebble
And if you go AphroAtk+DioSpec+DioCast
still vigil
Ah yea
unborn pebble
You have a lot of of damage reduction
And possibly also slows
Athena dash is still pretty much a must xD
still vigil
Ehh that seems like itd be relying on too many stars to line up
unborn pebble
If you feel comfortable enough to try and force the boons? All depends on your heat distribution
still vigil
Icic
unborn pebble
And your build is likely at a point where it doesn’t really care about rarity as much as it cares about boon number
Ohh, with only Aphro-Athena-Dio you could try and force Demeter Call for the Ice Wine
As the slow would help
(Also doesn’t hurt that Rare Crop exists)
still vigil
But yea dio gilgamesh can mow down crowds cause of peer pressure and bad influence, causing shields to go down quicker and have a 50% dmg boost until the last two enemies.
Getting the legend or the dio cast related boons really help offset yhe dmg drop in boss fights as i observed
Explosive upper shines in a dio gilga build
unborn pebble
And as a point on the damage, even if you don’t get Ice Wine, Demeter’s Freeze DOT is so good vs bosses
Makes sense.
still vigil
Hmmm icic
Dio and dem do synergize well on gilga
Especially if ya get certain hammers
unborn pebble
I haven’t really played with it much, I did enjoy a Quake Cutter+Draining Cutter build on ArtemiSpec Talos fists
frank dew
if you are running dio on that you should have it as your call
its easy enough to maintain uptime on it and does far more dmg than any other option
still vigil
Ive had it as a call and i dun like it much on gilga tbh
unborn pebble
I guess that sort of depends on how you use the call?
I don’t tend to go for them much, so I prioritize Utility or Defense over offense on them.
solid cairn
beowulf is now one of my favorite aspect
unborn pebble
Hence Aphro/Athena/Demeter/Poseidon tend tk be my picks for it.
solid cairn
specifically stygian soul beowulf with trippy shot and at least one extra cast
unborn pebble
Ohh, that sounds dope.
still vigil
Gilgamesh strikes much slower than the other aspects, and with things like max JS or DC in the way id rather have dio on other slots
still vigil
Oooo
unborn pebble
I’ve heard good things about Beo but the one run I’ve had with it so far I barely managed to complete on low heat
solid cairn
when you get into a rhythm it's great
you also have to keep track of when stygian is recharged
unborn pebble
Mostly because I got Aphro Cast at start and tried to force a swap into Trippy Shot xD
solid cairn
for aphro you want infernal
still vigil
Aphro cast is nice
unborn pebble
That whole rub was just weird
I got the beginnings of one build
And then the game decided “Nah, get explitive, you’re getting nothing more in that Build Path now.”
Happend twice
Salt was me 😐
frank dew
i love when that happens
still vigil
Every time i try building for poseidon
frank dew
especially when it forces you to take a god that just doesnt fit at all with what you are doing
unborn pebble
YUP
unborn pebble
Damn Hammers were usually the culprits
“I’m Dragon Rushing and have seen neither hide nor hair of a Hermes Attack Speed boon. Why are you giving me Special Hammers?!?”
frank dew
i feel like its kinda sad how theres no hammers that benefit cast builds
still vigil
But also 72% of my wins consistin of builds bein jank hurts my pride
frank dew
like theres obviously the faster charge dragonrush but aside from that
unborn pebble
There are
Wat
Ok, separating, then
AchilleSpear Specials
Spin Pulse also works to keep stuff away
The one time you may want Poseidon on the attack xD
unborn pebble
Oh, I know. Did the mistake of going Spin Pulse+AthenAttack on that.
I did however get AthenaDash
still vigil
Kinky
still vigil
Does anyone use arty cast and why
primal hazel
It's fun on hera
primal hazel
It's just crit flare
On hera it looks hella sick
The arrow ends and five green seeking arrows emerge
(had the legendary)
unborn pebble
Nice
still vigil
Ooo
unborn pebble
Hmmmm
primal hazel
Unfortunately I didn't get mirage shot
unborn pebble
Beo with AthenAttack+Dash, ArtyCast and Duo?
still vigil
I've yet to build for ares outside of ME
primal hazel
That would've been sick
Artemis call but way better lol
Cause on a stick
Well it's not hard to be better than artemis call tbf
unborn pebble
It is too situational
proven osprey
here we go again
still vigil
Uh oh
unborn pebble
The times I’ve used ArtyCall
It’s either been to enable a duo
OR because I know that I will need better burst in “Oh CARP!!!” situations
primal hazel
Bruh this is the fourth time in 150 hours that I've seen chaos legendary
And I don't even want it
Why god
primal hazel
OR because I know that I will need better burst in “Oh CARP!!!” situations
@unborn pebble got
T
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Hold myself
Bacc
unborn pebble
I mean, DM away
primal hazel
I've done it too many times
still vigil
I think Arty is [redacted] but eh
primal hazel
It's only not the worst because there's demeter call
mellow warren
what am I doing wrong if artemis call is my favorite? super reliable high damage against bosses
primal hazel
unborn pebble
Oh them’s fighting words, boya
unborn pebble
Demeter Call for Slowing Utility
unborn pebble
And Duo enabling
still vigil
Aphro could be considered reliable high dmg if that was the case
primal hazel
Zeus call is way better at 1 bar
Poseidon does way more damage
Dio provides utility and doesn't force you to be close
Also it's basically like a bad aphrodite call
Cause it has 2.5 guaranteed at max and charm @mellow warren
unborn pebble
I actually dislike Dio Call because I can’t just dump-n-kite with it like Demeter’s
primal hazel
Obvs you can still like it and use it if you find it fun
unborn pebble
Then again, I dislike going for Poison Builds
primal hazel
Not gonna knock that
mellow warren
@primal hazel I guess I will have to try those more, I've been using artemis call kinda like an extra companion during boss fights, with max bars
still vigil
Dio seems to generally be a mid to close range god imo
primal hazel
I actually dislike Dio Call because I can’t just dump-n-kite with it like Demeter’s
@unborn pebble dios call auto targets
unborn pebble
I Mouse-n-Keyboard
primal hazel
@primal hazel I guess I will have to try those more, I've been using artemis call kinda like an extra companion during boss fights, with max bars
@mellow warren aphro is better and more reliable
unborn pebble
I can aim :V
mellow warren
cool
primal hazel
Also since all the arrows auto targets individually they are p jank at aiming
mellow warren
yeah it's not great against 3rd boss
still vigil
And better hope there aren't any stray adds in hades fight x.x
primal hazel
If you're going for an artemis build(on which you'll take aphrodite) just take zeus call, lick up the smoldering air duo and spam call
Free dps
yeah it's not great against 3rd boss
@mellow warren it's not great
unborn pebble
On my old save, pre 1.0, I have been saved from Elite Champion Archers in Elysium by that Random ArtyCall soooo many times
Usually I picked it up to sell
primal hazel
I'd like them to buff it
I like the idea of if
still vigil
Gasp what if they buffed aphro call and gave it a lil aoe upon contact
primal hazel
It's like an additional companion
still vigil
I can dream
still vigil
~~
still vigil
Now back to my crack pipe dreams
primal hazel
Jk
I actually appreciate your help
cunning urchin
Artemis' Aid Greater Call can do some excellent burst damage with backstabs.
still vigil
Let's make it happens
primal hazel
Artemis' Aid Greater Call can do some excellent burst damage with backstabs.
@cunning urchin imo still too conditional
Most other casts do that even without having to crit and backstab
still vigil
Not gonna doubt ya since yer better at game but seems like a lot of set up
primal hazel
Sry @proven osprey
proven osprey
Artemis' Aid Greater Call can do some excellent burst damage with backstabs.
@cunning urchin I don't know how many times I've read this sentence from you lol
The channel is a time loop
cunning urchin
It's not a lot of setup to backstab with it. All the bosses turn their back on you very regularly. Can't backstab Lernie, but you can still easily burst through a phase.
primal hazel
Not gonna doubt ya since yer better at game but seems like a lot of set up
@still vigil setup would mean you can control it
still vigil
Oof qwq
primal hazel
It's not a lot of setup to backstab with it. All the bosses turn their back on you very regularly. Can't backstab Lernie, but you can still easily burst through a phase.
@cunning urchin the arrow aim is jank tho
cunning urchin
Just literally stand behind them lol.
primal hazel
Where'd you put it on a ranking then?
still vigil
Okay hear me out tho
primal hazel
I'd still say it's one of the worst isn't it?
proven osprey
Better than Ares, not negociable
still vigil
Arty call but pierce one time
still vigil
Three times and that's my final offer
primal hazel
Ok
I'll take that
unborn pebble
If it pierces once or twice, it should be able to retarget the same enemy (but as a low prio thing)
unborn pebble
Hmm, slightly higher base damage a projectile or two less on the greater, and pierce twice with priorities assigned on the retarget of the seeking?
gray shore
...
still vigil
...
unborn pebble
Boooo
proven osprey
that was good
cunning urchin
Its value depends a lot on the build and aspect.
unborn pebble
It was cragly and forced. Like high intensity bouldering :V
primal hazel
that was good
@proven osprey someone appreciates
still vigil
ArtyHermes focused Arty call here we come
gray shore
that was good
@proven osprey some low brow humour in here
primal hazel
My brows are always low
mellow warren
bouldy humor rocks
still vigil
..
primal hazel
proven osprey
I won't say anything because the bot would censore me buy you get the idea
still vigil
Or eyes period
primal hazel
Don't be so hard on us guys
unborn pebble
Bouldy has eyebrows. Stone just failed to include his best features in the Crop.
gray shore
unborn pebble
Hence them being known is very rare :V
gray shore
I'm just gonna mute RollingStone
primal hazel
Don't get sedimental
gray shore
until the punfest is over
primal hazel
That would be terrable
mellow warren
stone cold
still vigil
I'm pretty stone-faced when it comes to puns in all honesty.
Now who actually uses ares call and why
proven osprey
beyblade duels with Asterius
still vigil
You will lose 100% of the time
unborn pebble
Once, but only because I didn’t get anything else defensive and because I already almost had the legendary with the cast.
proven osprey
nope
unborn pebble
The meme of Maximum Beyblade was a bit forced but it worked out.
proven osprey
because you do it with second wind
unborn pebble
Cast-Dash-Call
still vigil
Astaos really like defendin certain calls thatre....situational
unborn pebble
And yes, I also got the dash when fishing for the legendary
proven osprey
Astaos really like defendin certain calls thatre....situational
@still vigil I hate Ares call
I was just like "quick, find a joke"
unborn pebble
Only regret is that I didn’t manage to fit both Artemis and Demeter
primal hazel
No need to dig for it
unborn pebble
I did get Arty Duo
proven osprey
oh boi we deletin messages right here
still vigil
Hmm?