even a tiny bit to make it worth taking if you're goin that route
#h1-builds-and-combat
onyx iron
pliant anvil
as a global modifier, it'd be fine tbh considering how low it is
half crater
urge to kill isn’t global iirc
pliant anvil
if it was though
half crater
could be wrong but from memory it’s attack special and cast
pliant anvil
it's kinda weak considering it's only attack/special/cast right now
half crater
oh i see what you mean
pliant anvil
(again, unless it's on like, artemis and not something like hades spear)
half crater
might be too strong as global lol
onyx iron
ye mebbe
pliant anvil
it's possible
onyx iron
probably too strong globally I think, but like I said, mebbe just specifically a doom buff alongside
pliant anvil
I feel like urge is just in a weird place
onyx iron
but I guess there's already dire and impending so
pliant anvil
too niche to be useful, but applies pretty broadly already
half crater
i think it’s intended to be an ares boon that isn’t linked to blade rifts or doom
pliant anvil
yeah
half crater
it’s actually not that bad
half crater
not super strong for sure, but it’s better than a pom for your main ability (if that ability is attack, special or cast and has a few poms already)
onyx iron
that is true
half crater
most of aphro’s T2 boons are on the weak side tho
pliant anvil
I guess that is true.
half crater
... see what i did there?
pliant anvil
heh
onyx iron
pliant anvil
I just feel urge is a worse sweet surrender
pliant anvil
😛
half crater
you’re not wrong
pliant anvil
cuz sweet buffs everything at least
onyx iron
but yea, urge is t1
if you're setup and ares pops up as last god
why not take it I guess
pliant anvil
urge also isn't tied to anything really
so it's also not a pre-req
Like, I won't turn it down
half crater
i take it all the time ngl
pliant anvil
especially if the other options are like, slicing shot or ares call
half crater
it’s the “nothing else is useful” choice
pliant anvil
I mean, I def take it when it pops up
toxic rose
Ares call bad
onyx iron
I take it alot too, but usually because I don't want ares on anything else lol
half crater
rip ares call
toxic rose
pliant anvil
ares call is really bad
personally, only demeter is worse than it
but at least demeter slows
onyx iron
I like dem call :P
half crater
demeter’s is an order of magnitude better than ares’ imo
half crater
it’s still not great, but it doesn’t slow you down and you can still attack
onyx iron
true
pliant anvil
I just feel the vortex is too slow expanding. I'd rather it reach max size faster and stay there for a brief bit than expand slowly and last awhile
honestly, I don't rate ares too much higher than demeter, you could swap them and I wouldn't complain
half crater
don’t get me wrong; i’m no fan of demeter’s call
placid topaz
yeah the best thing about dems call is that i can still attack as per normal during it 😛
half crater
i’d just put hers above ares is all
pliant anvil
that's fair
I can totally see the slow pushing it up there
especially if you have FO
onyx iron
ye, I think the "fire and forget" is just nice about dem call
pliant anvil
I think with FO it gains a lot of value
cuz it offsets the massive pain in the ass that FO can be
toxic rose
Zeus call best call
half crater
dem’s lets you use your call for i-frames and not get debuffed at least
toxic rose
Also billowing strength op
pliant anvil
I dunno, dio's call is pretty good
as is athena
I'd be hard pressed to pick one of those three as the "best"
toxic rose
Dio feels meh
half crater
dio’s does better damage, but zeus’ is arguably “the best” because of easy access to billowing strength and smouldering air
toxic rose
Is the dmg actually decent?
half crater
they’re both top tier tho
pliant anvil
I mean, it's ~ 15 damage per stack at white
half crater
yeah dio’s is the highest dps call
pliant anvil
so, 75 damage per tick when maxed
toxic rose
Huh
pliant anvil
before any other buffs
pliant anvil
but yeah zeus has easy access to smoldering which is really good
esp with billowing
half crater
the main thing to be aware of is that dio’s greater call is a trap; always use it early
onyx iron
dio call can get nutty, just make sur eyou're not blocking stacks with a crappy dio dash or something
toxic rose
Zeus call is awesome
onyx iron
lightning is awesome
toxic rose
With smoldering air and double strike the dps is pog
pliant anvil
yeah
I think out of the box with no support, dio is better
with support boons, zeus is really strong
prolly better than dio
half crater
agreed
pliant anvil
even if you got the aphrodite +3 stacks boon
half crater
although dio’s call with black out can get a little ridiculous
pliant anvil
I mean, you can for sure
but it's risky as other priority boon slots might force more rerolls early
pliant anvil
revenge only build when?
half crater
haelian once did a revenge only hades fight
onyx iron
ye, I think a few people have
pliant anvil
sounds slow
half crater
full on put his controller done and afk’d it
onyx iron
I dunno about EM4 yet tho
pliant anvil
EM4 would be rough
half crater
that’d be hard lol
pliant anvil
cuz of the ||hades heal||
onyx iron
ye, they afked the final fight
half crater
you’d have to stack health so hard
half crater
honestly i think the ||heal|| would be easier to deal with than the ||adds|| in phase 1
onyx iron
I've never had the fight go long enough to notice
I feel like it may happen more than once
pliant anvil
yeah, it can happen more than once
honestly, revenge only seems very hard if you're trying to tank EM4
I was thinking more ares/zeus duo
frail schooner
revenge only hades with stubborn roots and also your only revenge is dio
pliant anvil
pfff
frail schooner
30 minute fight
onyx iron
make it happen
pliant anvil
only 30 minutes? damn, that'd be quick
frail schooner
hangover
pliant anvil
does dio have one?
frail schooner
idk actually
half crater
i’m not sure dio has one
pliant anvil
he doesn't actually, dang
onyx iron
his can actually hit p hard
frail schooner
athena has deflect that might be too good
half crater
lmao
pliant anvil
nah, athena revenge only
onyx iron
frozen touch?
stark ore
I mean Athena is good for dodging attacks
pliant anvil
frozen touch has arctic blast
onyx iron
i think it does 15 base
half crater
okay now that would be painful
onyx iron
plus 10 stacks of chill, yea
stark ore
Oh I never thought of that combo actually
onyx iron
lol
half crater
frozen touch would also slow down hades’ attack rate, which would slow the fight even more
half crater
i don’t mind it
pliant anvil
it can be handy for avoiding follow up hits
onyx iron
it's really good
pliant anvil
cuz of the 40% slow
onyx iron
full chill is a strong debuff
pliant anvil
I would say demeter or athena are best revenges because they're defensive
unless you have arctic blast, in which case it's a bigger burst than ares I think
half crater
probably is yeah
and it’s immediate, so fast attacks (like lasers) will trigger it a pile of times at once
which doesn’t work with ares ofc
pliant anvil
yeah
pliant anvil
I still kinda want to run a chill blast build just to see how it performs
I don't think it'll be good but maybe fun
onyx iron
it sucks imo
frail schooner
chill blast is great with crystal beam
pliant anvil
depending on the blast size
onyx iron
I've tried
frail schooner
it doubles the dps
pliant anvil
oh yeah I can imagine
half crater
arctic blast build is kinda fun on chiron
far from the best, and i wouldn’t recommend pushing heat with it
but it’s fun
onyx iron
arctic blast base dmg just isn't enough really to warrant it removing the debuff
if it were up there with exit wounds, mebbe
pliant anvil
especially not since it scales with global damage buffs only yeah
mmaaaaaaybe eris or gilga could make it worthwhile?
on the otherhand exit wounds is a 5-10 second timer usually
half crater
you can slap a dead fish onto eris instead of a boon and it’ll prolly do fine
onyx iron
lol
pliant anvil
dead fish weapon when?
onyx iron
but yea, I've tried getting a decent arctic blast build going a few times
but no dice, just reverted to something else at the tail end of the run
pliant anvil
sounds about right
any decent arctic blast build is probably just something else with arctic blast tacked on
like crystal beam with the upgrade boon
onyx iron
I feel like I tried that, and it still
didn't stack fast enough for dmg
and I 'd rather they were just fully chilled constantly
pliant anvil
with infernal, or stygian?
half crater
it can certainly be decent on beams
the main thing is you still need crystal clarity
pliant anvil
sadly "decent" isn't a great endorsement :/
half crater
you’re not wrong lol
onyx iron
ye, I had glare and clarity
pliant anvil
especially when like, blizzard shot exists
royal helm
Arctic Blast could possibly have higher DPS than Exit Wounds... in some edge cases but yeah
7 crystals up all shocking hades 😂
half crater
i mean, we’re talking about a build which is explicitly just a strictly inferior hunting blades, so decent is all we’re gonna get
pliant anvil
it probably does due to the timer of exit wounds
onyx iron
and 2 stygian casts
pliant anvil
(unless you have poseidon sword)
onyx iron
3 at times with shops
idk, it just didn't seem
I didn't even make it out of styx iirc
onyx iron
ye
half crater
stygian is better for beams
stygian for non sticking casts, infernal for sticking casts
placid topaz
if you get stygian and glacial glare + chaos extra casts you're doing well
pliant anvil
yeah if you pom glacial glare stygian is prolly better
onyx iron
you kinda need chaos casts tho for stygian, imo
half crater
stygian is better regardless
pliant anvil
oh yeah for sure
onyx iron
or take the long shot for arty leg
half crater
you want chaos gates either way
onyx iron
usually, ye
half crater
but you generally need 2 casts on stygian for a cast build to take off, in my experience
onyx iron
agreed
pliant anvil
yeah 1 cast feels anemic
half crater
also worth noting that arty is already in your pool for clarity, and pressure points is good for any build
onyx iron
I don't mind not having to chase down bloodstones tho
half crater
if you can get support fire, it’s one short step to fully loaded
onyx iron
true
pliant anvil
yeah I always grab arty with crystal beam
onyx iron
ye, you kinda have to
pliant anvil
the better tracking is just too useful to pass up
half crater
it’s literally required imo
beams do practically nothing without it
i’m always on FO2 tho; they’re probably slightly better base without that
half crater
i mean, can’t say i’m surprised
onyx iron
you don't notice until you set a beam down and it does nothing for 90% if its life
with FO on, they might jump into it more actually
lol
half crater
lol
still vigil
do boons affect explosive return?
split orbit
Exit wounds and poseidon sword. Good yes?
frail schooner
Yes that’s the “meta” for it
toxic rose
It can be awkward if u run zeus cast
onyx iron
@still vigil I'm pretty sure they do not
outside of anything that increases dmg globally
piercing wave for sword kinda has the same problem
split orbit
I'm using Artemis cast...
cunning ibex
interesting thing if ound out
exploding chariots won't explode while on Arthur special, but they can still hurt you when they die
gentle jewel
Quick question, does boiling blood stack with additional casts stuck in someone? or does it only apply once?
cunning ibex
Heey uhh
EM4 question
is hades suppose to just have a floating version of his spear hanging around or did I bug it by deflecting it
barren otter
Quick question, does boiling blood stack with additional casts stuck in someone? or does it only apply once?
boiling blood doesn't stack. it works as long as a cast is stuck inside an enemy, doesn't matter how many casts.
gentle jewel
Thank you
muted onyx
What's the Excalibur's "meta"?
spare flare
Pretty much the usual stuff.
cunning urchin
Heartbreak Strike, Deadly Strike, or Divine Strike.
turbid needle
Deadly Strike, Shadow Slash.
cunning urchin
They're all pretty good.
spare flare
Heartbreak is pretty much the best, but Deadly can get more bonkers if you pull Heart Rend, Hunter's Mark, and so on.
cunning urchin
Heartbreak Strike wants Smoldering Air, Deadly Strike wants Heart Rend or Deadly Reversal, and Divine Strike wants Deadly Reversal.
I'd be careful with a statement like "x is best".
spare flare
I did say "pretty much" as a disclaimer that it's not a 100% matter.
river wing
attack speed from hermes can be pretty huge too.
sweet fossil
how is that every time i pick up poseidon aspect it always turn out non-caster build
gray shore
Are you using keepsakes to help force it?
I've been opening Arty's keepsake for my last 4 poseidon runs and I've had cast builds every time
river wing
have you unlocked persuasion? could be harder to without
gray shore
Also a good point
but I think you only need to hit exit wounds
and you're basically sorted
sweet fossil
yes, I have unlocked all of it, maybe it's just not right to pick some zeus or athena casts i guess... Maybe artemis is the way
spare flare
Indeed.
gray shore
My last run was Arty cast, divine flourish, divine dash, deadly reversal and exit wounds as the core
then got flurry cast
give that a try
river wing
athena can be pretty fun with zues dou.
sweet fossil
i will, what for caster spear and caster shield you guys use?
river wing
spear is Achilles
gray shore
also hunter's mark
look for that when you're running Arty in general
Aphrodite and Demeter are high value for Achilles from what I've heard
river wing
i havnt really used cast on shield outside of beowulf 🤔
gray shore
Aphrodite is definitely good for Beowulf, can attest to that myself
Achilles spear enables Aphrodite a lot
with its high base damage
and short range doesn't matter with a spear tp
sweet fossil
I kinda wanna try demeter archiles
gray shore
yeah you just drop many pew pew
river wing
i really like Achilles hunting blades. just saws through everything
gray shore
and grab Glacial Glare
Hunting blades (Ares/Artemis) is also good
but requires a lot of boons to really take off
Ares cast in general needs support boons to make the most out of it]
river wing
nah. just hunting blade itself is plenty strong. other stuff is just icing
sweet fossil
but its quite hard to force the duo boons what u need or am i missing something?
gray shore
Eh, I dunno if it's straight up stronger than just whacking Aphro on your cast
Aphro does like 100 base ish
based on rarity
and blade rift does like 50 if the whole thing hits over 0.7s
but its quite hard to force the duo boons what u need or am i missing something?
@sweet fossil It's not hard if you use God's Legacy and Fated Persuasion on the mirror
just check you have the prereqs and you'll have 2 rolls to hit your duo for 1 persuasion charge
whoops
i misread wiki
I take it back :D
river wing
yeap. with help of keepsakes you can often get it in Asphodel
gray shore
300 damage over 3 seconds is pretty good
so yeah i guess hunting blades makes it catch up quick
I'll try it next time on Achilles
river wing
yea Achilles works great with cast that don't go into targets.
gray shore
I was reading Blade Dash
river wing
the hermes boon can change that up easily tho
gray shore
because tired brain :)
ebon flume
Hello peeps just unlocked Aspect of Zeus on the shield, and the Special is doing 10 dmg per hit despite stating 8 per hit. After an upgrade, it is still dealing more than it stated. Have a non dmg related Keepsakes equipped. Perhaps they forgot to change the number? Or am I missing something
opal lodge
family favorite?
ebon flume
I'm hitting skelly with it so I have no boons
oh
High Confidence I think
haha solved
thanks
sweet fossil
So, Zeus with Rama spam special is quite good, but still worse than Artemist regular atack
I wonder if Zeus work on Chirion aswell
barren otter
Lightning bolts have an internal cooldown (0.2 seconds), they can't strike the same enemy in rapid succession, so a full Chiron volley will get 1-2 bolts on an enemy at most.
plucky harbor
rigid zodiac
is this up to date https://i.imgur.com/Q2V5Lil.png
half crater
oh boy
silk hearth
breh
half crater
those bow recommendations lmao
silk hearth
ares + poseidon
half crater
what does hermes as a rec even mean in this context
rigid zodiac
according to the other guide its only aphrodite+artemis / artemis+athena
river wing
i mean.. that picture doesn't seem to take aspect into account so..
rigid zodiac
so seems its completely outdated
silk hearth
yea it doesnt
i mean.. that picture doesn't seem to take aspect into account so..
half crater
even ignoring aspects ares/dem/pos on bow is a bit of a wat
proven osprey
Yeah huck fermes
sweet fossil
what do you guys pick for shield of chaos? Zeus?
midnight scaffold
zeus special yeah
on chaos aspect
with either demeter or ares attack to proc PS
sweet fossil
some alternative to zeus?
opal lodge
ares merciful end or curse of longing are both good
in that order probably
some people like curse of nausea dio special
i am not one of them
sweet fossil
does bonds on trinkets gives anything special? Or its just visual
ancient steeple
What's boons are good to aim for with Eris?
patent sapphire
I like anything built around Lightning Strike
proven osprey
does bonds on trinkets gives anything special? Or its just visual
@sweet fossil visual, they look cute tho
What's boons are good to aim for with Eris?
@ancient steeple Zeus attack, Aphro special, Zeus aid, Poseidon dash. Sea storm, jolted status
that's the speedrun formula basically
ancient steeple
Thanks!
proven osprey
Oh yeah, Smoldering air too with Zeus aid I forgot
sweet fossil
I just had special cryt on eris with cluster/rocket hammer This thing slaps on melee lol
proven osprey
yeah that hammer combo is the dream of Eris
primal hazel
Tss how could you forget
proven osprey
I never play Eris and I don't write down things, my bad 
half crater
you never play eris?
proven osprey
yeah
proven osprey
It's just that I don't have that much clears
My path is like : 13-14 heat on all weapons, 32 GY, 40 GY
half crater
40 GY is legit
primal hazel
Tempest strike gy elite
proven osprey
...
primal hazel
half crater
i can’t remember what my setup was last time, might have been HL0
proven osprey
Mr. Stone, you know my mistakes
yet you still sin
i can’t remember what my setup was last time, might have been HL0
@half crater ah
primal hazel
I thought @half crater knew it was a meme
half crater
i just need to git gud lol
proven osprey
I think I spent 30 hours to get my 40 heat win tho
half crater
yeah i know it’s a meme lol
primal hazel
Phew okay
half crater
good meme tho ngl
proven osprey
it's not a meme if you clear with it
primal hazel
I don't wanna motivate you into yeeting the fun out this game
proven osprey
half crater
look
i was doing dashless chaos the other day
at 32 heat
i don’t need help yeeting fun lol
primal hazel
How long did farming the nectar take you?
half crater
gy pos build a great idea confirmed
proven osprey
i didn’t even register that screenshot
@half crater you register screens ? lol
half crater
look, that sentence made sense in my brain
proven osprey
How long did farming the nectar take you?
@primal hazel Idk man, I had like 170 hours maybe ?
primal hazel
Ah okay you didn't explicitly farm
half crater
170 hours of just farming nectar
proven osprey
nope
half crater
life goals tbh
primal hazel
I'm low on nectar rn cause I always gift to bouldy
half crater
same
proven osprey
look, that sentence made sense in my brain
@half crater nah my bad, thought you were saving them in a folder
waxen comet
I've almost finished with Nectar on everyone, I believe I still need a couple of unlocks for Ambrosia gifts
waxen comet
Finished with everyone but Than, Achilles+Pat, and a few Olympic Gods
proven osprey
I don't even have one
waxen comet
Ambrosia is gonna be the hard part
proven osprey
it's like chaos on my desk
primal hazel
Just waiting for their ffin dialogue
turbid needle
^ me who basically never fished
half crater
yeah instead it’s just chaos inside a folder for me
turbid needle
And waiting for Poseidon
waxen comet
I have no clue how to advance the Pat quest now, I guess I'm waiting on Nyx again
primal hazel
🇷 🇦 🇳 🇩 🇴 🇲
half crater
And waiting for Poseidon
@turbid needle ah, i see another GY player
waxen comet
I haven't gotten a single rare Fish either
proven osprey
there we go I do have a folder now
turbid needle
If you want to actually have fun with Poseidon Strike
Go sword, go Big Chop
Watch enemies fly accross rooms like it's nothing
half crater
lol
primal hazel
Just go poseidon cast with poseidon
Fun
turbid needle
ohno
proven osprey
It ended in that same room
half crater
oh was that old saviour?
that perk used to be hilarious
still is, tbh, but it used to be more hilarious
turbid needle
I think I saved that one, somehow
But it took the last DD
But that was a good while back lmao
half crater
for best results, make sure to use arthur
half crater
yeah true
it’s zag sword’s one weakness: hit points existing!
if everything was just several DC shields with nothing underneath, it’d be a great weapon
turbid needle
Wish granted : You now only face Flamewheels with 5 DC shields
turbid needle
The moment you get a room with nothing to dash to, you are screwed
half crater
just run
primal hazel
Oh boy
Chiron would be awesome then ig
Or rail
Or anything with moderately fast hits
Still better than zag
turbid needle
Laughs in shield
primal hazel
half crater
okay giving it some thought
i think i’ve decided that removing hp from the game would probably be a bad balance decision
proven osprey
why are you here and not in SGG's balance team ?
half crater
idk tbh
proven osprey
here we go again
half crater
wym perfectly valid sentence there
proven osprey
ikr
gray shore
maybe we should just pin every acronym ever used in SGG discord
to make it less intimidating to noobs
cunning urchin
"Noobs" is derogatory.
spring thistle
Can you have 2 duo boons?
unkempt pagoda
you can have as many as you're lucky enough to get
in that manner, they're like any other boon
spring thistle
Oh okie thanks.
spring thistle
Any fun Excallibur builds?
unkempt pagoda
artemis attack, shadow slash
either aphrodite special for heart rend or athena special for deadly reversal
keen hazel
Aphro attack with pp also very good
Less crit but much chunkier
I also look for a rare or better Hermès attack, really sets it off
keen hazel
I hit a rat for 6k with shadow slash last night 
waxen comet
keen hazel
Perfect storm of blinding flash, arty crit damage boost and a few chaos attack boosts
worn stirrup
Beautiful
fast moss
Any tips for the gun? I've cleared first area. Forgot to choose keepsake, so I got Artemis. Got aoe attack + artemis upgrade.
fathom violet
@spring thistle I tried this one and it was relly fun! https://www.inverse.com/gaming/hades-excalibur-build-hoarding-slash
article really oversells it, but it was still fun to play.
river wing
hoarding slash doesn't make sense on excalibur imo 😐
keen hazel
Yeah it’s description is a little misleading. It adds a flat amount and doesn’t scale with other boosts
spring thistle
Yeah since you arn't attacking as much and it does a flat amout of bonus damage.
river wing
it's a flat increase not % increase. logically you will want it on something like zag which hits faster
fathom violet
Well, you asked for "fun", not "great" 😄 I had fun.
spring thistle
Yeah, I'll look into it maybe.
waxen comet
Hoarding Slash on Zagreus' Stygius is pretty neat.
The logical combination for Hoarding Slash would be Artemis, right?
teal juniper
how do crits work again?
damage multiplier to damage I'm assuming which gets increased by clean kill
teal juniper
was about to ask how clean kill works but you answered it there thanks
fathom cargo
any recommendations for an aspect of Zeus Aegis build? o:
unkempt pagoda
zeus flourish
sweet fossil
Achilles Spear n demeter lazer balls not good
confirmed
lot of dmg, but positioning? impossible
river wing
lazer balls?
sweet fossil
The Demeter cast
river wing
needs the duo to work.
either should help it to hit consistently. artemis is much easier to use
void fjord
which mirror cast?
cause stygian soul is really the only option for demeter cast runs
get glacial glare and ur set
silk storm
Why do I feel like I am doing -ve damage with Eris rail
I've never felt like I am doing damage with it.
spark meteor
what boons are you using? also how much have u upgaded it
oh and r u consistently standing in ur special
silk storm
Its max upgraded, this run I am using artemis but I get the same with Zeus. I even have the chaos boon for attack. And yeah I am
spark meteor
hmm im not sure then got my fastest runs with zeus eris rail going brr brr :\
oh artemis might not be the best choice since it increases damage on a percentage and indiv rail bullets have low damage (except for hestia's empowered one)
silk storm
Literally hades spear aspect is faster for me
Going from chiron in heat 10 to eris in heat 4 feels SO much slower xD
Maybe controller aimbot would help? 🤔
silk storm
Ahh. SO thats why Zeus is so good
spark meteor
oh and support fire from arty is amazing
waxen comet
Curse of Pain can work if you go for Doom stacking
keen hazel
Support fire/lightning attack/static discharge/double strike and the Zeus lego
spark meteor
^^^ usually go to for me
waxen comet
Zeus is very good on Exagryph in general yeah
silk storm
Yeah, this run is borked now.
waxen comet
Love you too Dyno
mellow warren
any build recommendations for achilles spear? I tried ares cast with it and the damage was pretty good but positioning felt a bit wonky.
spark meteor
ppl usually use achiles fo cast builds that dont do leave stones in enemies
so ares, demeter or dio
i personally like the demeter one but that needs the demeter/arty duo to work well
cunning urchin
Electric Shot is the go-to for speedruns.
spiral crow
Any good builds for bow?
It's the only weapon I can't beat a run with, with heat or without.
gray shore
which aspect of bow?
spiral crow
Zagreus.
cunning urchin
I know @solid cairn has practiced quite a bit with Achilles Aspect, m sure they could give you some more in-depth tips.
Just get Heartbreak Strike or Deadly Strike on Zag bow.
With either Hunter Dash or Divine Dash.
spiral crow
cunning urchin
Playstyle is basically just doing Dash-Strike Power Shots—and Dash-Strikes that aren't fully charged whenever that's enough.
Dash-Strikes charge faster for a bit less base damage.
But if you get Hunter Dash or any Lunge boons from Master Chaos, they'll end up don't more than your regular shots anyway.
If you take Heartbreak Strike, you'll really want to try to get Heart Rend to make the most of your crits.
And in any case, you'll really want Lady Artemis in your build for those t2 crit boons.
stark ore
Someone wanted Achilles help? 
Just take Phalanx Shot/Slicing Shot/Crystal Beam, get the duos (Lightning Phalanx, Hunting Blades, Crystal Clarity), and go ham
I recommend runnign Stygian Soul over Infernal, it's not too hard to get extra casts plus you'll usually get a better damage output over bosses
proven osprey
So I'm playing Demeter, Tempest flourish. The poor tisiphone flew threw the chamber from that super special. Would recommend
void fjord
Thats a huge info dump right there
stark ore
I should try Tempest Flourish, seems like if you pin an enemy up against a wall then you can just insta-kill them if you got Breaking Wave
proven osprey
it's baseball man
stark ore
Wait you can still get all the hits in or no?
stark ore
Tried to run Tempest Talos once, then I took Quake Cutter like an idiot
Seems fun though
void fjord
That's the important part
keen hazel
I feel like quake cutter gives you 80 minutes of hang time too
cunning urchin
I never really tried Quake Cutter since the buffs.
cunning urchin
Having to unironically use the Uppercut for it and wait for the recovery to finish is a daunting task.
I like the concept per se.
waxen comet
Quake Cutter's neat, does some pretty meaty damage
It's a shame I'm pretty bad with Malphon overall
I'd rather use Stygius
worn folio
Am I the only one who thinks bow is pretty shit or am I just building it wrong
worn folio
It's always way too much single target for me so I can't clear rooms effectively
kindred trout
I like Flood Shot with Achilles. So many good duos and you can often avoid letting the gems embed by aiming at obstacles.
proven osprey
It's always way too much single target for me so I can't clear rooms effectively
@worn folio Just follow what Nyaanyaa said a bit earlier
flint hare
The bow will probably take longer to clear rooms but you can be a lot safer using it
It evens out imo
worn folio
Only tried Chiron, how does Hera work?
does it shoot your cast ability or just extra base damage
worn folio
yeah that sounds really fun
fair plinth
oh wow
spear's flaring spin is a lot stonger than I thought
looks weak on paper but each pulse also flinches the enemy and you're virtually invulnerable to melee
fathom cargo
thoughts on flurry shot?
spare flare
@waxen comet Hoarding Slash is always bad.
solid cairn
I’m not even good with Achilles lol
I know @solid cairn has practiced quite a bit with Achilles Aspect, m sure they could give you some more in-depth tips.
pliant anvil
or trippy shot
solid cairn
I tried Achilles with phalanx, maybe I shouldn’t have been jumping straight into 32 heat but it felt weird
I don’t like achilles with trippy shot
Trippy flare on the other hand
sonic mural
does the hidden aspect of sword seem really clunky or is it just me
even tho it puts out insane dps with heartrend
knotty dock
is there anyway to make certain gods appear? i need the aphrodite item but she won’t appear at all
proven osprey
does the hidden aspect of sword seem really clunky or is it just me
@sonic mural It's really good but you have to get used to it. Nice name tho
sonic mural
@knotty dock u make certain gods appear with their items lol
sonic mural
@proven osprey idk im trying to main it cuz i like the sword idea in general but it feels kinda unsatisfying to use
rigid zodiac
which of the guns is worth upgrading/unlocking
opal lodge
@solid cairn the hardest part of 32 achilles for me was accepting that i cant just cast
i have to actually play spear
eris
rigid zodiac
'absorbing your special's blast'? does it mean i have to be in the blast radius?
opal lodge
yes
rigid zodiac
hmm sounds awkward
opal lodge
you dont take self damage to get the buff if thats what your wondering
you get used to it
rigid zodiac
yeah i know, but aiming with controller is annoying
im kbm main but playing this game with controller 🤦
opal lodge
are you really gonna turn down +75% global damage bucko
rigid zodiac
oh
right its +75% at max rank ;x
i only looked at the first rank lol
oh wow this gun rocks
proven osprey
It's ok
rigid zodiac
i dont use my rocket for damage
proven osprey
Shoot ennemies
rigid zodiac
i shoot it randomly and then dash into the circumference
gives me protection when enemies get stunned too + a giant dps boost
proven osprey
Keep a dash to be safe tho
primal hazel
Jesus just had the room with the 20 skulls that give each other armor
Nearly took one DD from me with fists
primal hazel
It deals part of your attack damage to another enemy that has the drbuff
primal hazel
If you attack an enemy that has the drbuff he also takes additional damage from the same Attack
pliant anvil
and it counts as a separate hit, so it could be useful with armor gates
sonic mural
how do you deal the debuff?
primal hazel
Special
sonic mural
so its only useful for clearing rooms and theseus/minotaur?
sonic mural
but for the final boss is chiron bow better?
pliant anvil
Not really, both are good weapons
tall yarrow
A good build needs to deal with both regular chambers and bosses and minibosses. You may often want to take boons to offset any weakness. Like Chiron bow uses special to single target so you might choose to build your attack to be better at multi target
primal hazel
If you're single target dps is high enough you don't necessarily need aoe
Also multi target attack messes with marking
tall yarrow
Well there are a lot of variables like pact modifiers and such
primal hazel
Ik
tall yarrow
With some chamber modifiers and high levels of TD you need to be able to clear chambers fast and single target may be slow
primal hazel
If you melt a target in under a sec you're fast enough
Yeye ik not always achievable
I'm just trying to say multi attack in chiron is eh
Don't mean to say you're wrong
tall yarrow
Not necessarily multi attack but putting doom on the attack can be good
primal hazel
Stray doom attack is worse than build synergy imo
Unless ares is in your build either way or you have the attack slot free
Also doom on bow attack is prolly the furthest removed from aoe
tall yarrow
When you single target, you aren’t attacking often because you spam special and just refresh the mark, so doom on attack is good
primal hazel
Usually you only need to mark once
tall yarrow
And it’s nice for swarms of enemies as you often need to hit each only once
unkempt scroll
Uuugh!
I was so close to beat a 32 heat run...
primal hazel
Because 1-3 salvos should kill your target
unkempt scroll
It would've been easier if not for the... Idk, they seemed like bugs-ish to me...
primal hazel
If you're talking on higher heats that doesn't apply often imo
Most units should be to chunky or have blue hearts regarding attack and then doom trigger
It would've been easier if not for the... Idk, they seemed like bugs-ish to me...
@unkempt scroll ?
unkempt scroll
A couple of times it just dashes toward my mouse even though I used keyboard to move... and then something else I forgot 🤔
primal hazel
What
unkempt scroll
... It dashed in the direction my mouse was, not what I clicked...
primal hazel
Ah ok
Idk how it works on pc
On gamepad you dash where you walk
unkempt scroll
Works the same way. But it ignored my run-button a couple of times
Especially sucks when there's FO on...
rigid zodiac
holy shit my first run with gun + zeus bolts... and i get legendary Splitting Bolt :OOO
unkempt scroll
Nice job
stark ore
Uh oh, looks like Proxy died
primal hazel
?
stark ore
Swear filter's down
stark ore
Woah there
primal hazel
stark ore
St*upid
primal hazel
Motherflipper
gritty gull
hey guys, what's the interaction between aspect of hestia and delta chamber (3 shot burst, no reload)?
I'm assuming if I can take DC with hestia that it works in some capacity but idk how
primal hazel
Doesn't interact
Only three hammer interact with hestia shot afaik
Explosive shot, ricochet and
Piercing
primal hazel
Hestia shot is seperate damage from normal shots
Idk if you get the bonus damage
knotty dock
best boons for a chiron’s aspect build?
gritty gull
neato
spring thistle
Best build for Zag Malphon?
primal hazel
Classic crit build always works> best boons for a chiron’s aspect build?
@knotty dock
Best build for Zag Malphon?
@spring thistle take plume
Let fate take the wheel
Or just go for me on fists
knotty dock
so artemis special, then who for dash/attack?
primal hazel
Aphro attack
spring thistle
Oh okay
knotty dock
also what sorta mirror buffs? not used to crit
primal hazel
But I can post some additional fun builds
knotty dock
oh please do
primal hazel
Also classic mirror setup
Stygian, dark foresight, increased duos, persuasion, backstab dmg etc
Chiron Aphro/artemis special|demeter flourish with legendary|Dionysus flourish, ares and Aphro duo|doom attack with dire misfortune, impending doom, pressure points
| = different build
I had a really good time with the doom setup also
Less reliant on duos/legendaries and you can even customize it a bit with other gods
knotty dock
ooh okay i wanna try the ares one
primal hazel
Maybe make it a ps build
knotty dock
doom stacking ya?
knotty dock
ff?
primal hazel
Family favourite
knotty dock
is that more dmg per boon?
primal hazel
It's more reliable
spring thistle
What boons should I aim for? I'm guessing Zeus, Demeter, and Artemis? Or maybe the Ares Athena Duo boon?
primal hazel
You'll always have 25% bc of the 4 god slot and hermes
There is some apsects that shine with ps but in kosten cases your enemy should be dead before you can even apply ps imo
What boons should I aim for? I'm guessing Zeus, Demeter, and Artemis? Or maybe the Ares Athena Duo boon?
@spring thistle ME build all merciful end build
spring thistle
Oh, okie.
primal hazel
Or if you wanna go full dodge take plume
And if you dare ruthless reflex
Pick up multiple dashes from hermes
Go hard on dodge chance
It's additive so you can get very high
primal hazel
If you do that you adjust your build depending on what you see
Cause if you take plume you gotta commit to it
Switching it out removes the buff
proven osprey
plume all the way
Did a Zag fist today like this
I died vs Asterius because I wanted to test my luck
I had 50% dodge and I took 4 hits in a row, so I gave up
proven osprey
Maybe I had more lol, Zag + 20% plume and second wind
spring thistle
Is there a way to see how much dodge chance I have?
keen hazel
Dodge honestly feels weird in this game, idk if certain things you just cant dodge or what
but ive definitely had upwards of 80% dodge going and taking regular hits
Maybe it has DR as it goes up
primal hazel
Dodge is additive
They changed it somewhere along the lines
@spring thistle Your plume dodge you can see when you go over your plume
keen hazel
I know its supposed to be but it doesnt feel that way sometimes is all im sayin
primal hazel
Otherwise you gotta calc but there isn't terribly much that affects your dodge chance
I know its supposed to be but it doesnt feel that way sometimes is all im sayin
@keen hazel well you know our feeling of chance as humans is mostly horribly off
That's why in most games 50% will mean it'll either hit now or the next time
Even though that's not necessarily accurate
keen hazel
so at 100% dodge, will literally everything miss me?
primal hazel
I don't wanna trash your judgement
spring thistle
I think some things are undodgeable.
primal hazel
Would work like that
As long as 100% dodge is up
Which should be timed with ruthless
There's a p nice vid on thag
keen hazel
Right, that is what im wondering which would greatly affect how dodge feels as well
primal hazel
I'll try find it
keen hazel
the haelian one?
primal hazel
solid hazel
The only thing I can think of that is undodgeable is maybe magma... But I'm not even sure on that
unkempt pagoda
you can dodge it
solid hazel
Lol okay full invincibility party
I honestly don't think it's that imbalanced... Theres not that many sources of dodge and you have to get lucky with at least two hermes rares and smoldering air to keep up 100%
Ruthless reflex.... Ehh if you have to dash to get the dodge it kinda makes it a lot weaker
I thought of something else potentially undodgeable, self damage from chaos boons
Never tested it....
keen hazel
Chaos damage still applies I think
And yeah I don’t think it’s imbalanced either. It’s a tough build to piece together
And you gotta have solid timing to be effective
Throughput suffers a good amount as wel
solid hazel
I think chaos damage would still apply, it wouldn't be that hard to test I suppose... Take zag fist and take a chaos boon and sit there and hit yourself
And you gotta have solid timing to be effective
@keen hazel, you're talking about RR? I was saying I didn't think it was that viable if 100% dodge invincibility is the goal, but you can actually get 100% without it
mystic flume
good build for base gauntlets heat 2?
magic stone
Athena attack and use lambuent plume from Hermes if you have the base fists maxed
Heat 2 is pretty much the same as heat 0
Up to heat like 5-8 is when it changes a lot
I’d recommend timer and less healing
Or higher shop prices
ornate prawn
if i can get 28% i can get 30
magic stone
Have you given Skelly Ambrosia?
ornate prawn
you think ||companion rib would help there?||
magic stone
Yes 100%
I used it so good.
It made me take no damage in Hydra
It’s literally 5 rooms whrrr you don’t take damage
ornate prawn
lmao i ||have been using meg keepsake the whole time|| and still got 28%
ornate prawn
yeah that'd make it easy
magic stone
Yee ^^
ornate prawn
drop it on hydra, drop it on styx final rooms,
magic stone
Pretty much
ornate prawn
heck drop it on ||dad boss fight||
magic stone
I completed my achievement in Elysium
Use bow aswell!
Chiron bow. Nice range easy kills and you won’t ||hit Skelly as much||
Use Artemis special.
ornate prawn
see i figured shield would be safer so you have easier blocking
magic stone
Not really since it’s still close ranged weapon
Shield struggles to not get hit in big rooms
Staying back with a bow is way easier
You just take all the time you need in each room
turbid needle
Good Arthur build? Been struggling with finding a decent combo
ornate prawn
arthur hits hard, so i tend to take a good percentage buff and throw artemis in there
turbid needle
mmmh, something like flat damage bonus + pressure?
ornate prawn
the arthur attacks are 60/80/200, so I tend to throw Aphrodite or Demeter on and add pressure points
opal lodge
you could also just throw on artemis attack
turbid needle
200? Good I never noticed that much gap. Gotta try it then, thanks
kindred trout
What's the dash strike base?
turbid needle
Too much buffs from the same god I guess, I wouldn't bet on them to close the run
opal lodge
i count 2 so far
pressure points is kind of pointless if you have innate crit
hunters mark
battle rage is really good on arthur
knotty dock
for the doom stacking chiron build, what special should i take?
dapper crane
Whats everyone's preference on the fists. Im debating which one to max to farm blood
opal lodge
doom stacking chiron build
so many questions
dapper crane
Bman id do aphrodite
dapper crane
I enjoy talos but I guess they're the worst
knotty dock
so aphro special, ares special?
dapper crane
O wait no
dapper crane
Aphro attack and then ares special but uou need the duo
Without duo youre losing alot of dps
knotty dock
ahh okay
mellow warren
is ares special good for rama bow too? never tried it.
gusty parcel
It's not bad, Rama special has decent bouncing on it.'
mellow warren
the default I've been using is zeus, just wondering if there's anything else that works well too
tall yarrow
I noticed convenience fee doesn’t increase the price of the end ship diamond/blood. Are there other items excluded? Maybe gems/darkness from the wells and interim shops?
dapper crane
So wait demeter gloves will it apply x amount of stacks and can it multi proc like Zeus? And does arty like explode with plus 5 attacks
tall yarrow
Maybe I should have been running convenience fee all along as those are almost the only things I buy
vale raptor
I'm really bad with spear, any recommended build and/or tips?
tall yarrow
The spin attack can clear large groups of enemies, I usually charge it while enemies spawn or charge it when enemies are at the edge of range, then dodge away with the spin just before they hit me
Hades is my favorite aspect but I like Guan yu too
vale raptor
The normal attack hit box is so narrow and the dmg is not that high. It's not great at stacking either, so I don't really know which boon to go for
eager grail
how are you actually supposed to use merciful end? i have it right now with the aspect of chiron bow. i have divine dash and divine strike. should i be able to just dash into an enemy and it will trigger doom?
vale raptor
Yes
spare flare
@turbid needle Search in this channel for "What's the Excalibur's "meta"" and read down a bit.
vale raptor
I mean...you have to apply doom, then dash into them or attack them
tall yarrow
Probbaly more than any other weapon my play with the spear depends a lot on the hammers I get
vale raptor
No, you have to apply doom before triggering it with Athena's boon
vale raptor
It just makes doom activates imediatle
eager grail
and ive only seen ares and athena so far
spare flare
It just triggers the doom early. It's honestly not an ideal setup for Coronacht.
vale raptor
Or shield, mostly melee that can switch between normal attack and special quickly
spare flare
Varatha's attacks are plenty fast and hard. Use the special when enemies are far and stab them when they're mid-far. When they get too close, dash to safety, dash-attack, and stab more.
vale raptor
I felt like the spear dealt less dmg than sword, but that's might by only my thing
opal lodge
how you're "supposed" to use arthur gives me depression
watching optimal arthur is so far from how i would want to play arthur
its very sad
tall yarrow
The spear should do less than the sword since it’s longer range
opal lodge
if the spear did any less damage it would be completely unusable
vale raptor
Using spears take longer time to fight with bosses, and so I makes more mistakes 😦
tall yarrow
But honestly my play style with spear is usually only dash attacks and spin attacks I rarely use normal attack unless I just need to poke something to finish it
spare flare
What hammers are you taking?
vale raptor
I see...
spare flare
Have you given your spear much blood? Which aspect?
opal lodge
dash attack isnt usually worth it unless you got serrated point
actually
flurry jab is an S tier hammer as well
vale raptor
Not much really, because I don't like using it that much.
tall yarrow
I just dash attack to start charging the spin really
Dash into spin, dash out of spin
vale raptor
Serrated point << is it the special deals more dmg to armor one?
opal lodge
one nice thing to keep in mind with spear is that your dash out of spin has invulnerability
serrated makes it so you dash strike thrice
cunning urchin
how you're "supposed" to use arthur gives me depression
Wdym?
spare flare
It's the triple-hit dash-attack one.
opal lodge
Wdym?
@cunning urchin dash strike dash strike dash strike dash strike
spare flare
That's Stygius in general, though.
vale raptor
Oh, I like that one too, but it decreased dash range = harder to get out of Hades' attack
opal lodge
yeah but i want to swing my big sword
spare flare
It decreases dash range?
opal lodge
if i wanted to dash strike id play nemesis
cunning urchin
You don't gotta play like that though lol.
vale imp
Isn’t it much lower damage on dash strike?
spare flare
Yeah, in the case of Arthur, at least you have options.
spare flare
It's lower damage per hit . . . times three hits.
vale raptor
The spear dash-strike upgrade decrease the dash range
cunning urchin
dash attack isnt usually worth it unless you got serrated point
Dash-Strike AOE on spear is really good.
opal lodge
imo spears main problem is that multi target damage is hard to come by
serrated solves that issue
vale raptor
I really like it too, but the only problem is when you have to face those gigantic swipe
spare flare
Okay, so your dash timing gets a little touchier. Big deal.
cunning urchin
You don't need to speedrun with Excalibur, though. Just do high heat instead.
opal lodge
@vale raptor just dont attack with your dash
when he swings
empty dash and you can i frame through it
@cunning urchin this is a good idea
spare flare
Yeah, easily.
cunning urchin
Serrated Point really takes some practice to use.
vale raptor
I see.
cunning urchin
It's kind of high risk, high reward.