that additive bonus from the pom on deadly strike will be multiplied per crit
#h1-builds-and-combat
opal lodge
primal hazel
deadly strike scaling is trash
outer cave
what build should i go for for rama
primal hazel
yeah and pomming clean killm wil heighten the multiplier
opal lodge
yeah but if youre arguing first pom you should always pom deadly strike over clean kill lol
primal hazel
which is way better
silk hearth
its the same thing in the end tho
primal hazel
no
silk hearth
since its %chance * crit dmg
primal hazel
oh wait lol
silk hearth
and with 450% crit dmg u hv to increase crit dmg by 150% to get 33% increase
primal hazel
yeah but the inmcrease from pomming clean kill is higher
opal lodge
4.5* damage + 1.5* clean kill if you have heart rend
silk hearth
i dont think its even possible to get 150% clean kill
primal hazel
cluster on eris
proven osprey
cluster
primal hazel
and rocket
primal hazel
ofc
devout ether
What kind of psycopath wouldnt pick cluster every time
left peak
Please share them
primal hazel
he doesnt know queen
Eris: Lightning Strike, Support fire, (demeter duo if jolt), zeus legendary, (sea storm), tidal dash, aphro flourish, zeus aid and smoldering air, rocket bomb, cluster bomb
proven osprey
he is in his personal library just wait
primal hazel
P basic
proven osprey
DASH
primal hazel
Dash
proven osprey
Zeus attack
left peak
Okay, thanks
proven osprey
then your build is finished
primal hazel
everything else is fluff
primal hazel
flourish
left peak
Thought so
primal hazel
raw dmg
proven osprey
aphro flourish is really good
left peak
primal hazel
also look out for zeus aid if you got the space, you could pick up smoldering air duo
proven osprey
Smoldering air soon, Zeus aid
proven osprey
you don't cast really, just to get the bonus
primal hazel
wont ruin anything
but if you get sea storm you get a bit more mileage out of it ig
opal lodge
i would honestly just take sunken treasure depending on how much cash money you have
no memes
if sunken treasure will get you a boon next shop itll do more for you than flood shot
primal hazel
arguable imo
primal hazel
no
proven osprey
nah
primal hazel
gated choice
left peak
No? Call then?
proven osprey
You really want Zeus attack
left peak
Ok
pliant anvil
always zeus attack 100% of the time on eris
primal hazel
100 damage arrow
opal lodge
artemis call is just not that much damage
primal hazel
do nothing
proven osprey
It's a worse aphrodite, the lesser call is just garbage
pliant anvil
because eris's base damage is low, and artemis's call is only okish to good if you get the gauge maxed out
primal hazel
oh sry potentially 300 damage arrow
opal lodge
even greater call if you adjust for average damage is worse than everything besides demeter
proven osprey
it's ok if you backstab
pliant anvil
I would say against shielded enemies it is
primal hazel
not worth it taking a call imo
proven osprey
indeed
opal lodge
bit much to pick your call based on two enemies imo
primal hazel
theres 1 shielded enemy and 1 shielded boss
and on em3 he doesnt even have a shield for hsalf of the fight
placid topaz
not sure what trinket/keepsake you've got equipped atm @left peak but i suggest equipping the zeus trinket/keepsake for asphodel to get zeus attack and hopefully the sweet zeus/poseidon duo
pliant anvil
I don't think this player is at the stage of doing EM3, but I could be wrong. Artemis call while not good in general is good against theseus
primal hazel
its still not worth it
proven osprey
"hey remember me ?"
primal hazel
im just saying its even worse on em3
placid topaz
you can always grab it and sell it? 😉
proven osprey
that's a good line tho
primal hazel
why grab a call for one stage and sell it
i copuld have zeus and smoldering by then
placid topaz
coz you're not gonna use any of the choices?
pliant anvil
because you didn't get offered any other call
you can't rely on getting zeus call 100% of the time
primal hazel
i rather take no call and dad keepsake
placid topaz
lol im just saying, based on what we've seen of this run so far 😛
pliant anvil
That's a choice you make at the start of the run though
placid topaz
clearly doesnt have dads keepsake man
pliant anvil
and yeah, they clearly don't have dad's keepsake
placid topaz
any suggestions im making now are based off the run we're seeing, not some potential run we'd like to have
pliant anvil
You're viewing this from the perspective of a player at nearly 100% completion.
primal hazel
artemis cast still better choice
pliant anvil
I agree
placid topaz
sure
pliant anvil
I never disagreed with that
left peak
How's Athena's AId then?
proven osprey
It's good really
primal hazel
i rather have no aid than artemis aid
placid topaz
athenas aid is good
pliant anvil
PRetty good, it's effectively invincibility with the advantage of reflecting damage
left peak
Divine Strike or Aid?
opal lodge
athenas aid is very good
proven osprey
no strike buddy
left peak
You said not get to Divine Strike because of zeus
primal hazel
you want lighning strike
proven osprey
We zeus
placid topaz
keep the attack slot open for when you grab zeus
pliant anvil
aid for sure
opal lodge
1 pom on that bad boy and you'll be zootin
pliant anvil
zeus gang rise up
placid topaz
get that zeus attack baby!!
opal lodge
how many gods have you seen though
primal hazel
honestly when doing an eris run start with zeus ring
pliant anvil
^
proven osprey
opal lodge
theres a chance they already used their 4
primal hazel
how many gods have you seen though
@opal lodge taken
opal lodge
taken yeah
primal hazel
they can still take ring
placid topaz
yeah take the ring, get zeus in there - get his attack ❤️
opal lodge
they can but having 5 gods is very anti nut
primal hazel
@pliant anvil look i need to hate something, i used to hate hades spear but realized it good
at least i can reliably poop on arti call XD
pliant anvil
I mean, unless you're a newer player
opal lodge
unless ur bablo then u defy the 5 gods rule and still set a wr
primal hazel
because the only reason its good is if you literally have no other option
pliant anvil
artemis call is GREAT for getting through theseus while you're still learning the fight
primal hazel
id argue its wordse then
pliant anvil
Because he acts as a wall in the run
primal hazel
you wont learn the fight if you chuck piercing arrows amd ignore the shield
primal hazel
you gotta learn to deal with shields
terse compass
Should i use stygian or infernal sould with bow of hera?
pliant anvil
Ehhh it's more about progress imo
pliant anvil
especially since arty call won't win you the fight without effort
Then you should be against athena call too for new players
proven osprey
Should i use stygian or infernal sould with bow of hera?
@terse compass I'd say infernal in general
pliant anvil
I never said it was top tier. I said it was decent against a few enemies
pliant anvil
ares call is hands down the worst imo
because it forces you to get right ontop of the enemy to do anything
at least artemis is fire and forget
terse compass
Thanks
primal hazel
yoiur argument is literally that its good against 1 type of enemy and a boss
not because it kills them fast
just because it deals a bit damage to them
proven osprey
Demeter...
pliant anvil
It excels against one enemy type and does ok as a burst of damage to the rest
primal hazel
also you likely wont get a full charge in a regular room
excels
sure it does
100 unblockable damage
wow
pliant anvil
with crit
primal hazel
possibly 300
pliant anvil
potentially up to 3000 if fully charged
primal hazel
yeah the chances of that
pliant anvil
base 35%, so you're looking at more like ~2kish I think
primal hazel
eh
pliant anvil
and that can obviously go up
primal hazel
the calc for the overall chance woulkd be 0.35 squared something something
opal lodge
even if you account for it critting it still does less damage than other calls
primal hazel
how many arrows does it fire at max?
pliant anvil
10 arrows at max
primal hazel
10?
proven osprey
10
pliant anvil
Look, I'm not saying it's top tier or anything, I've tried to make that clear, but it can synergize with a crit builds. Is it amazing? no, not by itself obviously
primal hazel
wow deadly strike on erids can also synergize
pliant anvil
but if you're already looking for crit stuff (deadly, heart rend) it can be a decent damage supplement that you don't have to get close for
primal hazel
also poorly
primal hazel
if im doing heart rend i just need zeus call
then i have smoldering
way better
even without smoldering
pliant anvil
🙄 needing zeus on a heart rend build seems very strange
primal hazel
why
just take the call
thats all you need
one boon
youll already have aphrodite
pliant anvil
Forcing athena would be better for deadly reversal
primal hazel
you cant argue thats just straight up better
pliant anvil
and I'm not you dingus!
primal hazel
with athena youd still have space for one god
pliant anvil
I'm just arguing it isn't as trash tier as you make it out to be.
primal hazel
it is
pliant anvil
It's better than ares
proven osprey
well
opal lodge
it also just does more damage overall
proven osprey
arty too lol
opal lodge
but why debate trash calls lol
pliant anvil
longer? Maybe, but arty does it sooner
primal hazel
tf you mean
pliant anvil
because it has 5 charges vs the 4.
so you can use it to iframe stuff sooner if you need to
primal hazel
wow now thats a trade off
proven osprey
Has anyone try Ares call with a blade rift build ?
primal hazel
ares gives me invincibility even at 1 bar
pliant anvil
it also lets you keep doing your primary damage while ares turns it off
opal lodge
@proven osprey yes it is the current meme hot topic
beyblades is now a meme run category
pliant anvil
ares as a call might do more, but artemis doesn't force you to stop attacking
proven osprey
@proven osprey yes it is the current meme hot topic
@opal lodge
pliant anvil
I don't "like it" I just don't think it's worse than ares
primal hazel
but dont ry to argue
opal lodge
you have to get ares call and slicing shot on zeus shield
beyblades galore
it is very fun
if very stupid
primal hazel
can we have a vote? whats worse ares or artemis call?
opal lodge
ideally run with black metal + engulfing vortex
pliant anvil
And again, artemis has no opportunity cost compared to ares or poseidon.
It's supplemental damage
opal lodge
doesnt matter because demeter is the worst call
pliant anvil
I think you're missing that
primal hazel
poseidon is leagues better
pliant anvil
Maybe with sea storm.
proven osprey
I can see Arty call saving me
pliant anvil
Without it? nah
proven osprey
ares, nope
primal hazel
it does good damage
opal lodge
poseidons is very good
primal hazel
jesus quothe
pliant anvil
again, it's not about poseidon being better or worse
rare kayak
poseidon is so friggin good
pliant anvil
it's the opportunity cost
rare kayak
with rip current its even got aoe
pliant anvil
you seem to be missing that
opal lodge
opportunity cost?
rare kayak
its just so insane
opal lodge
what's lost? your damage
pliant anvil
Yeah, opportunity cost is a loss of damage
opal lodge
if i'm going for damage im not taking any of these trash calls
im taking dad keepsake lol
rare kayak
i had a smoldering rip current run
opal lodge
that's not really a discussion
if you need i-frames for higher heats you take poseidon
proven osprey
oof
pliant anvil
ares does bad damage compared to an artemis call + whatever your primary damage source is
primal hazel
...
opal lodge
ok
left peak
opal lodge
i agree
left peak
Which?
opal lodge
rocket bomb
left peak
Okay
primal hazel
rocket
proven osprey
rocket is pog
pliant anvil
rocket 100%
pliant anvil
looks like it
primal hazel
you got the perfect hammer setup
opal lodge
smh i go 20 actual anyheat attempts without seeing either
proven osprey
no attack, poor guy
pliant anvil
now just get close and shotgun dudes
primal hazel
smh i go 20 actual anyheat attempts without seeing either
@opal lodge same
left peak
primal hazel
empty ig
pliant anvil
I think empty inside
left peak
ok
pliant anvil
you don't need aoe with cluster rockets
proven osprey
I like empty too
pliant anvil
do it
proven osprey
but you did not equip zeus keepsake did you
primal hazel
grave mistake
pliant anvil
just because rolling doesn't understand what an opportunity cost is doesn't mean it's worse than ares
they also might not have zeus keepsake
pliant anvil
I mean, you wouldn't argue ares does more damage if you did.
primal hazel
I mean, you wouldn't argue ares does more damage if you did.
@pliant anvil i didnt
pliant anvil
You absolutely did
opal lodge
hunters mark probably
silk hearth
wait do u even hv crit
proven osprey
might as well fated
left peak
Fated okay
opal lodge
if you have pressure points already you should do hunters mark
otherwise just go fated lol
primal hazel
bright01 said ares does more damage
opal lodge
nyaanyaa has a spreadsheet
primal hazel
reading hard
fathom violet
at higher heat do you guys use the dice for chambers or the dice for boons?
opal lodge
dice for boons
proven osprey
boons
unkempt pagoda
boons
placid topaz
@left peak you needed to equip the zeus trinket - need his attack man
fathom violet
ah that's what I thought
placid topaz
what area are you in now?
fathom violet
do the dice for boons also cover the hammer?
primal hazel
No
opal lodge
look how many boons they have
primal hazel
i was talking to @fathom violet
opal lodge
i figured
fathom violet
ah man...
opal lodge
yeah you cant reroll hammers
proven osprey
that would be a little too nice
opal lodge
high rolling cluster rockets would make anyheat grinding a joke
primal hazel
@pliant anvil before you accuse me of saying something read properly pls
placid topaz
@left peak i think at this point you need to take a non-zeus attack
pliant anvil
You're right, you didn't. You did argue ares was better though, which I still disagree with
ares is a death trap though
pliant anvil
well, yeah, but no one is arguing that
it's greatest advantage is chill over a wide area, and there are better ways to do that
placid topaz
demeter call is... fine...
pliant anvil
like... a crappy crystal build
placid topaz
lol
primal hazel
What tf are you arguing then
pliant anvil
That artemis is better than ares
pliant anvil
because it doesn't lock you into a low damage mode
proven osprey
I agree that Arty is better
placid topaz
the best thing about demeter aid is that it can get you cold fusion
and i love cold fusion
primal hazel
I'd argue ares a bit more
You'd argue artemis a bit korbutnig doesn't make a difference
placid topaz
so i dont mind demeter aid
fathom violet
@primal hazel I missed the start of the argument, who do you favor?
primal hazel
There's so many other choices of calls I can take
pliant anvil
you can pop arty, dodge an attack, and never stop doing your primary form of damage
primal hazel
And avoid ares/artemis at all times
Or I could get any other call
@primal hazel I missed the start of the argument, who do you favor?
@fathom violet sry what
pliant anvil
well yeah, obviously there are better calls, no question, but you might not always get them. Sometimes the game hates you and even after spending 7 dice, you still don't get the boon you want
opal lodge
cold fusion is also pretty bad imo
fathom violet
you said you don't like demeter, ares and artemis calls. Who do you like?
opal lodge
just shoot them again 4head
pliant anvil
zeus
opal lodge
zeus is good
pliant anvil
and aphrodite
opal lodge
dio lesser call is also not bad
proven osprey
Dio is amazing
pliant anvil
dio is also really good too
primal hazel
There are astronomically few scenarios in which I don't get any other call then Artemis
proven osprey
pew pew pew
primal hazel
Dio fun
primal hazel
Yeah I'm a smoldering air scrub> you said you don't like demeter, ares and artemis calls. Who do you like?
@fathom violet
primal hazel
I like athena because it's has great opportunity cost
And is not completely bad like artemis
pliant anvil
that's not what that means...
primal hazel
Jk I'm ffing with you
pliant anvil
too late, I already typed it out when you sent that
primal hazel
Again you proved nothing
Gg
pliant anvil
I mean... I wasn't trying to there?
pliant anvil
I mean with the last comment
I was absolutely trying to prove artemis was better than ares call
pliant anvil
I mean, no. I'm not even sure what you're doing at this point.
pliant anvil
For the record, I have a partner so your flirting is pointless
primal hazel
I'm obviously abusing the bit of stubborness without you
opal lodge
get a room 
pliant anvil
||dusa for life||
primal hazel
@pliant anvil Tf where did I flirt
opal lodge
or at least take it out of this channel
opal lodge
please stop doing this lol
primal hazel
Next time start with ring
left peak
Which strike should I get?
pliant anvil
I would say artemis for damage, athena for some extra safety.
outer cave
do you already have divine dash?
pliant anvil
but neither are great
pliant anvil
they have tidal dash
opal lodge
@left peak just fyi you can only have up to 4 gods without forcing more
pliant anvil
I thought it was 5?
left peak
Each run you mean?
opal lodge
after youve taken boons from 4 gods, outside of shop corner cases, you will only see boons from those 4
yeah
primal hazel
4
placid topaz
for your attack? you're in styx now, right?
left peak
Yes
placid topaz
both are good, but athena gives a little bit of extra safety compared to artemis' extra dmg output
so, up to you at this point i think
pliant anvil
@left peak how confident are you in fighting the 3rd and 4th area bosses?
kindred trout
4 gods + Hermes, 5 total
placid topaz
since i dont expect you to get any duos from here on out
placid topaz
if you usually roll through final boss, just go artemis but if you usually have trouble i'd suggest athena
primal hazel
2 late
left peak
Divine Dash or Tidal Dash?
dense verge
I actually came here to ask what keepsakes everyone likes
pliant anvil
divine at this point
left peak
Divine? Okay
pliant anvil
tidal is used to set up sea storm
but without it, divine is just better at keeping you safe
left peak
Got it
pliant anvil
with sea storm, tidal dash is bonkers
pliant anvil
oh yeah
in styx it's amazing
1-2 second room clears pretty consistently
between wall smashes, lightning bolts, tidal dash's damage, and potentially other ocean bro boons
primal hazel
Weird uncle but good
devout ether
I feel my last run was karma for badmouthing Poseidon attack
primal hazel
Well depends on what you take it on
unkempt scroll
Oh?
So what happens if I wanna burn that attack? 🤔
primal hazel
What happened
devout ether
I posted in victory channel
primal hazel
Oh so you tell me that
And then you won't even divulge your great tales
devout ether
You're implying there are great tales to tell
It was a mess
And I'm glad it's over
devout ether
I actually skipped over Athena in Asphodel in favor of Poseidon
primal hazel
No the other crutch
devout ether
I tried! I went with Dio keepsake hoping to get Special
But I rerolled and didnt get squat
frail schooner
divine flourish on lucifer seems kinda good tbh
primal hazel
Now that's weirdly unlucky
devout ether
Then didnt see Dio again until after Furies
I'm telling you, it was a wack run
I just winged it
primal hazel
At least it was only 10 heat
Some runs just feel hella cursed
It's rare in hades but it happens
Like when I do a poseidon run but exit wounds doesn't show up
queen patrol
best builds for 10 heat right now u think
unkempt pagoda
any build
left peak
@primal hazel I want to thank you for all your help!
I really appreciate it
I think I'll continue playing the game a bit more and see if there's more to the story
Not sure if there is
But will continue to interact at least with the characters
Anyway, thank you very much regardless!
left peak
How to do that?
primal hazel
Try to be befriend the gods
@primal hazel .
Or to be more precise ||max relationships with 6 of them||
So get theirsticker
Unless for demeter
You only have to get her up to 6 hearts
left peak
Okay, will do
How many nectars is required to max them out?
How much for one for example
primal hazel
It's ways 6 to get to the locked heart
Then you will have to fulfill a condition to unlock it
After that give them 1 to 2 ambrosia
left peak
Will it tell me the condition?
left peak
Please do
knotty dock
what do y’all think is the best build for chiron bow? some people have told me crit based with artemis, some people have said debuff based on dionysus, etc.
turbid needle
those two are going to be the most efficient
primal hazel
Don't search for a best build
turbid needle
The best you can do is start off with an attack, maybe try to hunt for a duo
primal hazel
Or demeter
turbid needle
On Chiron ? Demeter could be ok with Artic Blast
But that's asking for a specific boon from demeter lol
knotty dock
hm? demeter’s my least used boon, how is she
primal hazel
The legendary man
turbid needle
At high heat, she starts to become less and less powerful
The frost effect is fine to get priviledge status going, deals ok damage, slow's cool
primal hazel
Pingas
turbid needle
But then she gets stuff like Rare Crop that's only useful early on, Nourished Soul that's good unless you run Lasting Consequences, Snow Burst's fine if you use casts a bunch, Frozen Touch is honestly meh, Ravenous Will's cool.
But on top of her core boons, You can roll all these as the first boon, assuming you don't start with her keepsake
Have fun trying to get one in peculiar lmao
primal hazel
I like rare crop
Heroic dash go brrrr
But she's a hodge podge of very niche boons yeah
turbid needle
That's not even mentionning the hot mess that is Crystal beam, or as the community dubs it, meme beam
Or her call, that is lackluster
turbid needle
Then there are her duos that are just, for the most part, disgustingly powerful
primal hazel
Ahem sure
devout ether
Crystal Beam is quite powerful, but requires more work than stuff like Zeus'
turbid needle
Crystal Beam's cool until the opponent sidesteps it
primal hazel
Freezing vortex aka worse hunting blades
I mean crystal beam becomes useless with Forces overtime
devout ether
Well that's why you always go for Aphro or Arty duo with Beam
turbid needle
And Hunting Blades is like one of the better duos too
Aphro/Demeter is one I didn't mess around much with
Is it any good ?
primal hazel
Also ice wine is worse then scintillating feast
devout ether
It's great
primal hazel
It's fun with close range weapons
devout ether
But requires actual good positioning
primal hazel
Nice with fists
turbid needle
The problem I have with meme beam, is that the extra work it needs to be any good for speed could be put into getting core boons that actually do something now, and will still lead to a powerful build
The buildup usually ain't worth it
primal hazel
Yeah but in case of aphro you just take beam if you have her either way
turbid needle
With AP, that's fair enough
primal hazel
It's less a beam and more just extra continuous damave
devout ether
crystal beam bad
@opal lodge Counterpoint: Crystal Beam Good
primal hazel
Hot take
devout ether
Thank you for coming to my TED talk
primal hazel
Counterpoint: Crystal beam fun
cunning ibex
for Chrion should I be tagging enemies and then spamming special?
pliant anvil
yes
tagging an enemy and then spamming your special is how chiron gets most of its DPS
onyx iron
jus postin this, good ol lawnmower build https://youtu.be/uiOGlGONt10
primal hazel
So you discovered ME huh?
onyx iron
I guess?
primal hazel
Welcome
primal hazel
No welcome in the sense of welcome to the club
Not you're welcome xD
Yeah ME is p stronk
onyx iron
ye
its nice on gilga tho, but you kind of have to have athena on dash + curse
not to mention hav eher on special to begin with
pliant anvil
yup. That's ME in a nutshell
onyx iron
to even have me to show up
pliant anvil
then you also want impending doom
onyx iron
🤷 I don't really use gilgamesh special tbh
ye definitely
impending doom is a must
if only to be able to pom your dmg
pomming doom drops off pretty hard, even more than the percentage boons
but you can pom impending and its
noice
get some PP goin
I don't think i got pressure points in that clip, but I know I have in a similar build
primal hazel
🆗
opal lodge
i am convinced thunder dash is now the way for super soaker
primal hazel
The only thing that matters is tempest strike
dapper crane
Whst about thunder dash with the lightning reflexes I think its called?
opal lodge
youre on the right track imo
this is the first time ive tried thunder dash
by itself its mediocre but it unlocks double strike
which is making sea storm really good
onyx iron
double strike is super important if you're goin zeus or even sea storm imo
onyx iron
it jus needs something that strikes
chain lightning (attack) it won't show up
or the cast
you can get the extra chains tho
which unlocks the leg
primal hazel
Please don't explain everything
onyx iron
it is kinda weird tho, because I'm pretty sure lightning reflexes can get Jolted to show
ah
uhm ok, sorry
lol
primal hazel
Ik you mean well
opal lodge
check the codex for prereqs
but yeah thunder dash seems like the best way to do it rn
primal hazel
check the codex for prereqs
@opal lodge ...
opal lodge
you said you didnt know it had prereqs lol
primal hazel
Yep
I just dunno why you felt the need to tell me to look in the codex
As if I didn't know you could to that
primal hazel
Not looking for a fight
I just assumed you at least knew I was somethat knowledgeable
onyx iron
anyways @opal lodge, zeus dash is good fun
opal lodge
it is
onyx iron
zeus in general is
it's probably not the most effective
but it's badass to see it in full glory lol
opal lodge
my eris monkey brain just automatically went to splash dash for super soaker
but i think its worth to get double strike
knotty dock
secondary boons for an arti special based chiron build?
knotty dock
aphro never appears for me :/ only item i dont have yet
keen hazel
nice sub 13 arthur just now
onyx iron
nice
primal hazel
I guess you could also take Dionysus call and the duo but that's a worse
onyx iron
I actually got 14, with nemesis recently, and another 14 with gilga but
I haven't messed with heat yet to go fast
primal hazel
0 heat?
Boo
Jk
I'm kinda mad at myself since I took every trove
Could've been way quicker
But could've doesn't change anything lol
onyx iron
ye my first sub 15 run I took all of styx after a two door bag lol
didn't even realize how fast I was goin
until it popped up at the end
i had pommy keepsake on
primal hazel
I'll try as soon as I'm trough with farming all the bounties
opal lodge
i think arthur might be my worst weapon in term of time
bronze sorrel
I kinda wanna start speeding but I also still have some bounties and I wanna get them
keen hazel
honestly my go to is aphro attack with shadow strike and try to lean into as many chaos attack boons as I can dig up
pressure points and its an ez clap
6k crits
opal lodge
you really only need heat 10 or so to start speedrunnjng if you're into that @bronze sorrel
pliant anvil
Isn't recommended heat ME2, and FO2?
opal lodge
yeah
onyx iron
ye
opal lodge
you also want TD if youre doing RTA
bronze sorrel
@opal lodge oh I just mean if I go at lower heat, I don't have bounties there anymore. I have between 4-5 bounties left for each weapon.
opal lodge
it doesnt skip than
pliant anvil
I thought it did? Huh
pliant anvil
Than sucks period imo, especially in elysium.
primal hazel
to skip than rooms, and survival rooms
@pliant anvil doesn't skip than
Timer stops during than
pliant anvil
yeah than is good for IGT obviously
bronze sorrel
Its kinda a shame since than is best romance pal.
primal hazel
Igt seems the way to go imo
pliant anvil
depends on what category you're speedrunning
keen hazel
damn, if I had recorded my 32 heat time I'd had 4th on speedrun.com
pliant anvil
like, all weapons and fresh file are RTA
opal lodge
32 heat category is a graveyard
keen hazel
Yeah bc its not fun
pliant anvil
it's tough to get into
opal lodge
most people just arent submitting their 32s
keen hazel
Yeah I fully understand that
opal lodge
also the setup to speedrun 32 is very unforgiving
keen hazel
There's probably some sub 10s
pliant anvil
32 heat can be rough
bronze sorrel
RTA?
opal lodge
nah 32 is igt
opal lodge
but the setup is like HL5 EM3
bronze sorrel
Oh I see
keen hazel
tartarus hardest part of 32 by miles
onyx iron
ye
pliant anvil
yeah, lowest player power there
opal lodge
i personally have gifted many a run to asterius
pliant anvil
sounds about right. He's just so fast with FO
onyx iron
same
primal hazel
Dude needs some encouragement
pliant anvil
especially his swings which are basically without a telegraph at that point
primal hazel
Has to deal with theseus
pliant anvil
I love ||poseidon's prophecy that asks you to dunk on theseus and then talk to him afterwards||
onyx iron
lol
primal hazel
Weirdly I was taking a lot of poseidon
Then I got the prophecy
And never took him
Spoiler zone m8s
onyx iron
ye you're probably right
primal hazel
I mean in the sense of no need to tag
silk hearth
lol
onyx iron
oh
primal hazel
Also I can hardly see the shade being a spoiler
onyx iron
well rip
silk hearth
what pact shld i take?
onyx iron
idk, it surprised me when it happened, i don't wanna ruin the experience
silk hearth
i have uh HL5 LC1 JS1 EM3 BP2 MM1 FO2
primal hazel
Even stage 2 of it
Well fmls
Should've said that before
Was hl5 the blue hearts thing?
silk hearth
hl is enemies do more dmg
primal hazel
Ah k
silk hearth
i dont hv the blue hearts at all
primal hazel
Oh heavy lifting
onyx iron
that's rough maxing that out
primal hazel
Hearts was dc
silk hearth
yea
onyx iron
? hard labor is one of the last things you'd put heat into for bounties
silk hearth
why o.o
onyx iron
more dmg is bad
silk hearth
someone told me its better to avoid JS and enemies hv more hp
cos then ur clears are slower
hl doesnt affect ur clear speed so its fine
onyx iron
🤷 when you lose a dd on one swing from the final boss
don't say I didn't warn ya
or from the aforementioned bull buddy
onyx iron
you guys are nuts lol
silk hearth
nah FO2 is like the hardest modifier
opal lodge
you dont do HL5 for bounties lol
you do HL5 because it doesn't make mobs any tankier
thus you can still go fast at 32 heat
silk hearth
^^
onyx iron
no I agree
didn't realize we're talking about 32 heat speedruns tho
alot of things kind of go out the window when you get into that realm
warm stag
Do I need the mirror upgrades for both rare and epic chance increases? I would think I only want to give epic not both of them?
unkempt pagoda
they stack
how it works is that boons roll for a duo/legendary; if that fails, then it rolls for an epic boon, and then the same for rare boons
if you fail all the checks, you end up with a common boon
the mirror upgrades don’t eat into each other, basically
knotty dock
dark forseigh or olympian favor?
warm stag
Good to know Onyx, thank you
stark ore
dark forseigh or olympian favor?
@knotty dock Dark Foresight, the rare boons seem tempting but more pom, health, boon, gold, and hammer chambers helps a LOT
unkempt pagoda
👍
solid hazel
dark foresight if you want to win runs, olympian favor if you farming meta currency
knotty dock
can you elaborate on why it’s better for farming currency
solid hazel
dark foresight makes it so you get more boons, gold, hammers, everything that is not meta-currency
if your goal is to farm darkness, you get less rooms of it with dark foresight
frail schooner
do people actually farm in hades lol
knotty dock
ahh gotcha
silk hearth
there definitely are ppl who farm
stark ore
Farming helps a ton yeah, still saving up for the new themes once they hit Switch
silk hearth
not everyone increases the heat
solid hazel
those themes are expensive...
I try to do both at the same time, so I just do a mediocre job of both farming and winning
silk hearth
lol
btw for the pact of punishment, is there somewhere i can see the perks armored foes get?
cos i dont understand the symbols that they have
solid hazel
I think there's a minor prophecy that lists them all
but I have no idea what icon corresponds to what
silk hearth
oo
warm stag
Themes?
solid hazel
late game cosmetic stuff
onyx iron
all I've ever noticed is: spiky gold circle means double speed
and pink means + dmg
and there's the ones that regen damage control
idk if there's a visual indication of that outside of them wrecking you
barren otter
btw for the pact of punishment, is there somewhere i can see the perks armored foes get?
cos i dont understand the symbols that they have
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/608403611151761438/702994531749986445/BP_perks_explanation.png
cloner, burner and popper are exclusive to tartarus, asphodel and elysium respectively
stark ore
I still remember having to do a new seed and end my streak because Athena was locked behind a Erebus Gate with a Slugger-Speeder Mage
onyx iron
so its savior, they kick out a wave that puts an instance of damage control on nearby enemies
I've had a swarm of skulls nuke me before from that
stark ore
Savior is terrifying on smaller enemies, with multi-hits it's no biggie though
barren otter
speeder is the worst one for me
silk hearth
thanks
speeder is really too much
especially survival rooms where they spawn lots of mobs
onyx iron
lol oof
turbid needle
if you're farming darkness you shouldn't be going into rooms going for 12 darkness at a time lol
onyx iron
?
craggy rose
hey guys currently using spear with aspect of achilles and usually do an zeus based build but was wondering if any of you guys knew of some other good ones to use?
onyx iron
kind of depends on what hammer you pick up first
craggy rose
mm true i usually go for flurry jab which ive grown to like a lot
onyx iron
well if you're using achilles, you should be dash attacking more than anything unless you're using it to buff your cast
serrated point to that
percentage based boons to your attack probably best unless you get serrated
serrated can actually stack poison quickly
pliant anvil
artemis is best on achilles for attack, but aphrodite is close
Because crits multiply any damage by 3x, whereas almost every other damage increase is additive @craggy rose @onyx iron
onyx iron
agreed
pliant anvil
i.e. if you have a +100% damage boon, achilles +150%, and say, another source of 50% more damage, you end up with a 300% base multiplier. If you have artemis and just achilles, it's effectively a 450% multiplier when you crit before any other boosts
onyx iron
but it's important to account for dmg mitigation, why DoT is super valuable
none of that matters if you dead
pliant anvil
ehhhh dio is good on fast hitting weapons and weapons with global damage boosts
onyx iron
and usually you're less dead if you're not trying to max dmg
pliant anvil
but outside of that, it's not very valuable
turbid needle
I got like 85% damage reduction one game for the luls
pliant anvil
I don't think you can without a ton of poms, damage mitigation is not additive
turbid needle
only the highest counts?
onyx iron
I'm not talkin dmg resist really, more just distance and playstyle
but yea
I'm curious here
pliant anvil
lets say you have 3 10% damage reductions and take 100 damage
first 10% reduces it by 10 to 90, second reduces it by 9 to 81, and the third reduces it by 8.1 rounded, so 8, to 73
onyx iron
ah ok
pliant anvil
which makes that 30 you thought you had effectively 23% instead
frail schooner
it should be noted that dodge chance does not work this way
turbid needle
I had 27%, 35% and 30%, then 20% dodge chance and 21.6% dodge chance
pliant anvil
I forget the term for it, but I know it's a form of multiplicative
yeah, dodge chance is additive
pliant anvil
oh yeah for sure
frail schooner
lol i always find it so amusing how people get so mixed up about how things like dmg reduction stack
like it behaves in the only sensible way
pliant anvil
well, it's to prevent stacking of damage mitigation from making the +damage heat option too easy I feel
turbid needle
well you can have 100% dodge chance
pliant anvil
@frail schooner more like it behaves in the most balanced way
because it could be additive 😛
turbid needle
you could've had dodge work the same way with multiple rolls
pliant anvil
and that would be fun
frail schooner
yes ik it could be additive too
pliant anvil
and there's no indication until you take damage of if the DR was additive or not
frail schooner
but like i’m saying the equation isn’t something special
turbid needle
I didn't look at the code
pliant anvil
oh, that's what you mean, yeah
turbid needle
I just played the game
frail schooner
it’s just you have X% damage reduction then another Y% damage reduction on what’s left
it’s not rocket science haha
pliant anvil
It's more that there's no in game info on how damage mitigation stacks
turbid needle
no, but it's not obvious unless you know the numbers used beforehand exactly how they've been manipulated
pliant anvil
outside of testing it obviously
pliant anvil
^
frail schooner
that’s true of everything in hades tbh
especially with dmg boosts
eris is global but most things aren’t
frail schooner
urge to kill isnt global??? even though it really sounds like it should be lol
pliant anvil
unless you're on eris 😛
onyx iron
it really should be tbh
onyx iron
ye it does
pliant anvil
it could be though, and it'd gain a lot of value as a boon
as it stands, it really only pairs well with like, artemis
frail schooner
yeah but or like it should be multiplicative to those 3 things at least
turbid needle
no, never multiplicative
pliant anvil
eh I disagree because then damage starts going through the roof
turbid needle
multiplicative means multiplying
frail schooner
urge to kill is like 20% at most
turbid needle
if you weren't aware lol
onyx iron
urge to kill is just a crappy strong drink
pliant anvil
that's HUGE though
frail schooner
although it seems like even eris doesn’t apply to the companions unless i just didn’t notice it
pliant anvil
20% is big considering it could be combined with like, crits
companions are fixed damage AFAIK
ripe glade
quick question.. if I started with a God boon such as Ares.. and keep the same keepsake on Realm 2.. should have expect an Ares boon?.. or does it make the keepsake null?.. due to it's description?
pliant anvil
sweet surrender maybe? @onyx iron
frail schooner
the weak thing probably
placid topaz
something something backstab something something
frail schooner
you can backstab with companions???
onyx iron
no not the glitch
pliant anvil
@ripe glade god keepsakes only force 1 boon per run to be of that god's
onyx iron
there's something consistent
barren otter
quick question.. if I started with a God boon such as Ares.. and keep the same keepsake on Realm too.. should have expect an Ares boon?.. or does it make the keepsake null?.. due to it's description?
god keepsakes only force that god to show up once, but you will still keep the rarity bonus
crystal wing
I have two questions. I saw a video of a guy with fiery presence at 100%, how is that possible? Doesn't it cap at 75%, and my last question his, Chiron bow had one less special arrow than mine, why?
thanks
pliant anvil
switch possibly? different upgrade levels?
ripe glade
@pliant anvil thanks.. 😄
pliant anvil
np!
ripe glade
got it
pliant anvil
I know the switch is still behind PC right now
barren otter
I have two questions. I saw a video of a guy with fiery presence at 100%, how is that possible?
when 1.0 initially came out, it was bugged (the mirror said 100%, but it was actually 50%), now it's fixed and buffed (75% and it works properly)
onyx iron
ngl I'm still fuming about urge to kill lol
might be my least favorite boon in the game
crystal wing
ah thank you so much.
pliant anvil
yeaaah
I love seeing it on an artemis run though ngl
because then it's actually pretty useful
unless I'm using like, hades spear
onyx iron
it should buff doom damage to some degree