its a call tho
#h1-builds-and-combat
dull oak
magic stone
The best call tho*
dull oak
calls are good
stark ore
Athena's call has amazing pom scaling too
magic stone
I thought they meant Athena special
stark ore
If you focus poms on the call you can easily get like 24 seconds per full call
primal hazel
ares blessings op
@dull oak I was answering to that
hoary quest
I am wondering if I should try again to beat the second boss or continue to beat the first boss with other weapons do any other rewards come from that?
dull oak
oh
hoary quest
I would look it up but I dunno what terms to use while looking it up
magic stone
Yeah rewards come from that
You can get a total of 6 Titan blood from first boss
By using all the different weapons
Aspects don’t count
hoary quest
anything really good
primal hazel
I wish broker would let me trade backwards
I wanna turn diamonds into nectar for themes
magic stone
What weapon is your main rn?
still estuary
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barren citrus
anybody here excited for monkey monday
magic stone
That would be op tho diamond for 10 nectar
devout ether
Nectar is so cheap though
hoary quest
shield
primal hazel
Yeah but getting 100 is annoying and I don't need diamonds
magic stone
Just beat the boss with every weapon
primal hazel
I'm swimming in em
magic stone
Then invest in an aspect
devout ether
Yeah but getting 100 is annoying and I don't need diamonds
@primal hazel Surely you have 5000 gems laying around
cursive pecan
This discussion isn’t about my crappy Talos builds and is therefore off topic
cursive pecan
Anybody here do high heat Talos?
hoary quest
also what's the usage of gems
cursive pecan
It’s been rough
primal hazel
Contractor unlocks
magic stone
Ima use DealKits High-end Water Pistols, Large-Capacity (2lb) Range (26ft) Water Guns for Kids & Adults, Pool Toys, Summer Outdoor Garden Toys & Swimming Beach Pool Toys on 32 heat wish me luck
still estuary
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turbid needle
Never trust anything 👁️
primal hazel
Ima use DealKits High-end Water Pistols, Large-Capacity (2lb) Range (26ft) Water Guns for Kids & Adults, Pool Toys, Summer Outdoor Garden Toys & Swimming Beach Pool Toys on 32 heat wish me luck
@magic stone you got me with that one
if you're yet to clear Asphodel, accept that the game has a ton of different currencies but keys and darkness are the two you care most about for now
@still estuary m8 I'm assuming youve maybe saw me lurking here and there
I'm far enough and I didn't ask for tips
I got like 140+ in
magic stone
A certain boulder’s friend can give you darkness 👀
primal hazel
I always give nectar to bouldy
magic stone
Same I have no use for it
still estuary
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turbid needle
@primal hazel that's why you don't have enough nectar
hoary quest
ok thanks
primal hazel
Yeah realized that
hoary quest
also when will I get acces to the prophecies thing
magic stone
House contractor
primal hazel
Massive sry I'm very dumb
@primal hazel that's why you don't have enough nectar
@turbid needle but it's important
turbid needle
No bouldy doesn't require gifts. He loves us all equally.
turbid needle
Sisyphus drinks them all anyway
primal hazel
No he's not like that
turbid needle
👁️
primal hazel
Yep
turbid needle
Bouldy doesn't have arms
hoary quest
But it shows that everything he sells is cosmetic
primal hazel
Work orders
turbid needle
The grand majority of the work orders are not cosmetic
turbid needle
That seems a little invasive to an immobile character 👀👀
Bouldy told me he's getting a restraining order
cunning urchin
@warm flame you can't get Parting Shot on Beowulf anymore. They removed that.
magic stone
Oh you like Bouldy? Name every dialogue sequence with him.
magic stone
?
primal hazel
Oh you like Bouldy? Name every dialogue sequence with him.
@magic stone sure just let me copy the dialogue from the game files
primal hazel
Afaik you cans till get parting shot on beo on Switch
primal hazel
Why tho
primal hazel
Now I'm offended
dull oak
why??
primal hazel
RollingStone will remember that
dull oak
nooo i'm sorry :((
primal hazel
I'm joking m8
turbid needle
...
primal hazel
Thought that was obvs
primal hazel
Same
simple trail
dont go too offtopic btw
primal hazel
To be fair it's hard to grasp that in only text
Hey alpha have you played god of war 1 yet?
dull oak
bruh
primal hazel
Finally not a white name anymore
proven osprey
I'm free
proven osprey
Man
simple trail
woman
primal hazel
Oh haven't cleared enough yet?
I'm refusing to go high heats until I cleared all bounties with all weapons
proven osprey
I was refusing to clear bounties until 40 heat GY was done
primal hazel
Two sides of the same coin
primal hazel
Same
proven osprey
from dying to meg to save 1:30
turbid needle
I was afraid of tight deadline for a long time, then I tried it and I beat the game with like 16 minutes left and I was like "oh this is one of the easy ones" lol
Haven't tried 3 I imagine that's a little less forgiving
proven osprey
It really depends on the aspect tho, and what you get in tartarus
turbid needle
I dunno, I've tried a lot of aspects and none of them are like, I dunno, what do you get, 45 minutes? Slow
36 minutes, 9 each?
delicate tusk
Yeah 5 is pretty tight
Most just go for 7 mins, still doable and free heat
But you don't get instakilled after you exceed the time anyway
primal hazel
Only achieved sub 20 with 2 weapons so far
Although granted I'm not really trying (taking troves etc) lol
primal hazel
Funny enough I had an even faster time with arthur so far
proven osprey
Eris does not care about TD yeah
delicate tusk
My quickest time hasn't even broken sub 20 yet
20:34 I think, with Zagreus Malphon
simple trail
my fastest is still 17, with rama, but that still me pausing a lot and taking troves etc
still vigil
How do demeter and rush kick interact with each other?
primal hazel
Double triggers
queen patrol
kinetic launcher does it work with charged demeter fist?
queen patrol
is it a good pick up? or better to go colossus knuckle
primal hazel
Depends on what's you're going for ig
primal hazel
Then don't take it
queen patrol
ill take the sturdy one than
primal hazel
Cause you will be too far away to trigger ME often
Unless you play close but why should you with launcher lol
primal hazel
Ik
queen patrol
so yeah im up close pretty much all the time
concentrated knuckes or the sturdy one
primal hazel
Yeah but launcher is still a projectile attack
queen patrol
true
primal hazel
Bruh who didn't ya say you had concentrated as an option
Obvs choice imo
With dem
queen patrol
yeah thought about it now ahha
queen patrol
yeah i like long knuckle as well
primal hazel
Play fists as long range weapon
I usually don't like long knuckle with dem on controller cause it messes with the auto aim while close up
But with launcher it's a different story
rigid zodiac
which of the spears is worth investing early in
i hate spear so far ;x
i got to like heat 3 on all weapons but spear still heat 0 lol
devout ether
Achilles is usually considered the best
proven osprey
Guan Yu is almost unplayable until maxed
rigid zodiac
ohhh
you make an Attack build and shoot your Special to gain a big bonus to damage?
devout ether
Guan Yu is almost unplayable until maxed
@proven osprey At low heat? naw, it's fine
simple trail
guan yu is just a hidden 5 heat level at maxed
rigid zodiac
i guess it would work with any build really
proven osprey
For a spear beginner I'm not sure dude
devout ether
you make an Attack build and shoot your Special to gain a big bonus to damage?
@rigid zodiac Achilles affects attack, special AND cast
Usually best with cast builds
rigid zodiac
ye sounsd good
its kind of like that sword that increases crit after you use the special
proven osprey
yeah but it's not timed so really nice to use
rigid zodiac
how long does it last
devout ether
4 moves
rigid zodiac
pretty sweet, ill try it ty
still vigil
How do i make hangover on fists feel impactful
sweet fossil
Alright, any good build for spears around heat 10? I honeslty hate this wepaon and trying to convince myself
simple trail
you dont
still vigil
Yikes
sweet fossil
which aspect?
worn stirrup
Just base Zag
simple trail
its not rly broken
worn stirrup
yeah it's just an opinion of mine
sweet fossil
what about Guyan Yu? I seen people go with doom aspects on speedruns
proven osprey
It's a glass cannon basically
worn stirrup
Not gonna lie im new to the game lol
proven osprey
It takes practice but it's strong
hades is strong too, Achilles is good at casting
sweet fossil
for some reason i hate casting build and i tried couple of them 😄
simple trail
hades if ur a spinny guy
still vigil
Hangover on fists felt horrible
primal hazel
kind off yeah
hollow monolith
hangover on fists can be good
still vigil
Hangover in general feels bad fer me
still vigil
Sounds better but i can also see my self putting literally any other dash(or none) before i use dio dash lol
sweet fossil
rama maybe aswell
hollow monolith
dio dash only works on fists because you're already standing on top of enemies and constantly dashing through them regardless
it doesn't do a lot of damage but the pom scaling is even better than usual because it applies 3 times per dash
and if you don't use poms, it's a really easy way to get a curse on enemies to proc privileged status
primal hazel
or i just play me on fists
primal hazel
no
still vigil
Or really good?
hollow monolith
there are other powerful builds, just none that can go as fast as ME
primal hazel
sweet fossil
btw. hazardous bomb is no brainner ? It feels like instant win always
primal hazel
me is the only way
hollow monolith
Talos and Gilgamesh can both do sea storm
simple trail
if u using dio dash in a hangover build, theres something wrong with you
hollow monolith
talos can be played as caster, gilga does really well with zeus smoldering air and lightning rod builds
primal hazel
btw. hazardous bomb is no brainner ? It feels like instant win always
@sweet fossil nope
not on eris f.e.
hollow monolith
demeter fists can use arty special
primal hazel
also depends on build
There has to be other powerful busted builds
@still vigil usually depends on the aspect honestly
still vigil
Icic
hollow monolith
people get too fixated on merciful end because it's far and away the best speedrunning build for every fist aspect but yeah there are a lot of ways you can spec fists and do well in a normal clear or even high heat
primal hazel
yk im kidding with that right?
hollow monolith
idk i'm autistic and irony poisoned lmao - i assume everyone is simultaneously kidding and not kidding at all times until they collapse the waveform
kindred trout
mood
still vigil
Sooo y'all wanna divulge yall fisting secrets?
primal hazel
idk i'm autistic and irony poisoned lmao - i assume everyone is simultaneously kidding and not kidding at all times until they collapse the waveform
@hollow monolith soo you get me is what youre saying
hollow monolith
lmaooo
primal hazel
dash and attack constantly, unless you need your i frames to dodge
or take athena dash lolk
hollow monolith
what aspect are you using gelata?
primal hazel
also special has deceptively long range
still vigil
I like using gilgamesh and demeter
hollow monolith
I dont play much demeter but i had (have?) the gilga speed wr
proven osprey
I dont play much demeter but i had (have?) the gilga speed wr
@hollow monolith
hollow monolith
so if you wanna dm me i'll try to tutor you in that a bit
instead of clogging up this channel
primal hazel
ill just drop my build list lol
hollow monolith
hahahah ok so my angle on gilga is very nonstandard
primal hazel
Demeter fist zeus attack and demeter(winter harvest) or
artemis special, maybe kinetic launcher|Aphrodite attack with legendary, artemis crit special, heart rend|ME
hollow monolith
imo its biggest assets are, in order,
- having 3 dashes with ruthless reflex (ie. +50% universal damage)
- +50% universal damage buff from the dash upper
primal hazel
its like a worse eris xDD
hollow monolith
this means that things whose damage you can't normally scale actually scale very much like eris yes
proven osprey
So you liked the special even when it was clunky ?
primal hazel
also ps buffs maim dmg
pliant anvil
ehh... in terms of usability, probably.
proven osprey
I mean huge windup
pliant anvil
but it does have higher scaling theoretically
still vigil
I thought it was 25% until ya get the hammer?
hollow monolith
Let me double check in game, it might be 25% -- i don't think the maim damage is NEARLY as important as ruthless reflex
i only maim bosses unless i have the best gilgamesh hammer
rush kick
proven osprey
Makes sense
hollow monolith
not joking.
worn stirrup
What items do you like?
pliant anvil
what makes rush kick so good in your opinion? Bigger hitbox/higher base? @hollow monolith
worn stirrup
The keepsakes
pliant anvil
Also, boon choices?
hollow monolith
yeah it's 25% before hammer my bad
primal hazel
what makes rush kick so good in your opinion? Bigger hitbox/higher base? @hollow monolith
@pliant anvil more triggers
on dem at least
hollow monolith
so if you're speedrunning and just looking for the best possible time, you still want to play merciful end - but I hate grinding tartarus for ME so i just don't
primal hazel
oh sry me dumb lol
pliant anvil
Ah, I was talking about gilga @primal hazel
hollow monolith
let me set up my mirror and take a screenshot for you here
primal hazel
imo me is p ez to achieve
proven osprey
It's ok, just pray Bouldy and you'll get it
pliant anvil
@hollow monolith I don't mean your mirror choices, I mean your god boon choices, and why do you like rush kick over other hammers?
proven osprey
Last run I got 1% dmg thanks to Bouldy, guess what I won
hollow monolith
yeah, the mirror choices are relevant to the god boon choices though
pliant anvil
ahh
hollow monolith
ah damn it won't let me paste screenshots in here, 1 sec putting it on img
https://imgur.com/TEYzj08 you probably want thick skin instead of high confidence if you're not speedrunning
and gods' legacy over pride is specifically because I do a lot of duo hunting
pliant anvil
why SD over DD? Otherwise, it looks fairly normal
proven osprey
dying is faster
hollow monolith
SD is because of speedrunning stuff. i facetank bosses to build call meter faster
pliant anvil
ahh
hollow monolith
so i think duo +legendary boons tend to be VERY strong on gilga because you have so much universal dmg scaling - and these are the boons that you can't ordinarily scale in other ways
proven osprey
I think it's just better in general
pliant anvil
yeah
hollow monolith
god's pride is usually better imo but not on gilga ^^
i start artemis on attack (you can do poseidon for splash dash too but that feels clunky to me - not least because i play on mkb)
pliant anvil
I don't think rare boons outweigh potential duo boons, seeing as how those can be build defining
proven osprey
common boons are fine too
hollow monolith
and generally shape my build around the natural gods i find in tartarus. Most of all though i'm hoping f or
- a rush kick hammer because it adds so much mobility - it's godlike on gilga because you can maim an enemy by rush kicking behind it, and then already be in position to backstab
- zeus
especially zeus call
proven osprey
Oh that's interesting
pliant anvil
zeus on special over something like aphrodite or athena for duos?
hollow monolith
not on special. on call.
proven osprey
Do you have some uploaded runs somewhere ?
hollow monolith
ye hang on
primal hazel
who doesnt
pliant anvil
I mean, they said they define their build by what they fine in tartarus so I was curious about that.
hollow monolith
i have a YT channel, idk if direct links are OK so i'll just drop speedrun.com link (apparently i don't have wr anymore) https://www.speedrun.com/hades/run/m3g6g8qz
proven osprey
it's ok in #self-promotion
hollow monolith
ah kk ty
so the #1 duo i hope for is actually lightning rod, especially if i didn't find rush kick - because Gilga is actually pretty immobile and has a hard time tracking down small/fast enemies, lrod really helps with clearing annoying rooms esp in asphodel
proven osprey
well it would be hard for you to have WR since it's basically eris land
hollow monolith
i refer only to aspect wr :p
proven osprey
oh yeah you can filter that
hollow monolith
gilga still scales the lightning rod damage via ruthless reflex - and scales zeus call damage the same way
so smoldering air is also a huge pickup
as is the zeus legendary
split orbit
One of my favorite things to do is charm asterius and watch him whack the crap out of theseus
proven osprey
hence infernal soul, I see...
still vigil
Oooo
split orbit
10/10 would recommend
primal hazel
what basic boon setup ya go for?
proven osprey
10/10 would recommend
@split orbit feels nice indeed
hollow monolith
in a perfect non-ME run, I want
- arty attack
- aphro special
- cast unimportant but anything that lodges in enemies is fine. i lodge 1 in bosses and use the other 2 for lightning rods
- dash unimportant but literally anything is good - aphro dash is nice QoL so i don't have to special as often if i don't have rush kick
- zeus call
split orbit
Any recommendations for good chaos shield runs?
I typically default to ares attk, dio special, Athena dash and then whatever else i pick up
primal hazel
in a perfect non-ME run, I want
- arty attack
- aphro special
- cast unimportant but anything that lodges in enemies is fine. i lodge 1 in bosses and use the other 2 for lightning rods
- dash unimportant but literally anything is good - aphro dash is nice QoL so i don't have to special as often if i don't have rush kick
- zeus call
@hollow monolith thanks a lot, i'll yoink that on my build sheet and claim it as my own ;D
hollow monolith
hahahah yw
please feel free to DM me on here or youtube or wherever any time with any Qs
im gonna start streaming and making proper content soon but having technical difficulties
primal hazel
thx, i like to pre plan my builds so i have a list for all builds i've encountered and that worked/are fun so far
hollow monolith
@split orbit sorry i don't know anything about chaos shield, but iirc the best Chaos player atm is Bablo, you may wanna look him up on speedrun dot com
primal hazel
Any recommendations for good chaos shield runs?
@split orbit
Chaos: Ares Attack/Demeter Attack, Zeus Special,Jolted, ideally Splitting Bolt, ideally Divine Dash or something to enable Privilege Status if you don't have Jolted|Poseidon flourish, Zeus duo, pos legendary|ares with dire misfortune, impending doom, pressure points and support fire|Dionysus Flourish, Aphrodite and ares duo, maybe zeus aid and smoldering air
| means different build
Avoid dread flight at all costs
I like the faster bull rush personally
proven osprey
Where did you get all these builds 
primal hazel
wrote em all down
hollow monolith
i just play way too much lol
frank dew
hes a build collector!
proven osprey
Yeah I thought so
hollow monolith
memorizing builds imo is much less important than being able to build on the fly - but the latter is very very hard to do without a ton of experience
devout ether
"builds" are a crutch imo 
frank dew
well i mean you always end up with a build of some kind unless you actively try not to
hollow monolith
you joke but dashing is actually a crutch. if you wanna get better at the game imo the best favor you can do yourself is pick ruthless reflex with a non-gilgamesh weapon
primal hazel
its just a prefernce thing for me
hollow monolith
and just play with only one dash for a while. really teaches you not to panic-dash
primal hazel
oh i was partly serious
frank dew
well depends abit i do like having a extra dash on the spear cause i love the serrated edge thing
split orbit
Ngl a lot of times I got through elysium by just dash smacking
rigid zodiac
ive got 20 titan bloods, and i already unlocked 1 sword, 1 shield, 1 spear and upgraded the basic bow and fists to max
i should probably spend a few more or something
devout ether
We all know that Athena Dash is the biggest crutch tho
split orbit
^can confirm
still vigil
Actually hunter dash is the biggest crutch
still vigil
Cause it's been holdin up everything from the bottom of the tier list
primal hazel
then every chaos boon that makes you do more damage is a crutch
also boons are a crutch
split orbit
What are the good casts for hera bow?
primal hazel
true pros play 1 dash, no boons heat 52
cunning urchin
Flood Shot, Crush Shot, Phalanx Shot, Trippy Shot.
still vigil
true pros play 1 dash, no boons heat 52
@primal hazel could never
cunning urchin
I did 1 dash, 4 boons, 52 Heat.
primal hazel
yeah but you arent human
cunning urchin
I just did a "AOC reelection celebration stream", so yeah.
Left field sounds about right.
primal hazel
ao what
still vigil
Cortez
stark ore
I did not know AOC was a god you could get boons from
opal lodge
green new deal duo boon
devout ether
green new deal duo boon
@opal lodge Finally, Demeter/Persephone boons
primal hazel
in want demeter to have more duos that modify chill
stark ore
Democratic Strike: Your attack deals more damage and inflicts Politics
Politics: Enemies fight each other, taking slight damage along the way
wait that's just charm
primal hazel
why tf does she get cast stuff mostly lol
stark ore
Cold Embrace and Freezing Fortex aren't even good cast boons
random light
true pros play 1 dash, no boons heat 52
@primal hazel bro I been saying it’d be neat to have a Heat condition where you just don’t get boons, the true “atheist” run
Right now I suppose the best you could do is take Approval Process and try to avoid boons as much as possible
devout ether
Chill is already amazing bruh
primal hazel
ap and lock out your entire mirror ez
Chill is already amazing bruh
@devout ether didnt say its not amazing
random light
But you’d still get boons, wouldn’t you?
primal hazel
i love it
mellow quest
Boonless is just very uninteresting
primal hazel
but id love there to be more varied options
devout ether
My point is that improving chill is a slippery slope into OP territory
random light
It probably wouldn’t be fun to do repeatedly but I think it’d be interesting to see how much Heat people can handle without boons
primal hazel
My point is that improving chill is a slippery slope into OP territory
@devout ether yes please xD
not like we have me already
devout ether
Buff dio dash first
primal hazel
buff every dash but athena, poseidon and artemis thx
devout ether
You got my vote
primal hazel
thx what do i do now?
devout ether
Take over Poland
primal hazel
pokemon go to the developers
stark ore
Nerf tempest strike
devout ether
Nerf tempest strike
@stark ore Naw, it's fine
stark ore
Are you kidding me? It's broken with everything, especially fists and rail!
devout ether
It's fine
stark ore
Just remove the damage and make it no longer knock back enemies
mellow quest
It's the most broken with guan yu spin
devout ether
The only nerf that is MAYBE needed is Eris should buff just attack special and cast damage
Nothing else really needs a nerf
split orbit
Infernal vs Stygian soul for hera bow builds?
mellow quest
it gives you a free Broken Resolve boon irl
primal hazel
The only nerf that is MAYBE needed is Eris should buff just attack special and cast damage
@devout ether would make it more boring tho
just reduce the percentage
stark ore
I say Stygian but Infernal is probably the best choice for Hera
devout ether
Infernal vs Stygian soul for hera bow builds?
@split orbit Infernal every time
@devout ether would make it more boring tho
@primal hazel I did say "maybe"
primal hazel
i like the idea of its gimmick being global buffs
devout ether
I'm not convinced it needs a nerf
primal hazel
imo in a singleplayer game barely anything needs a nerf
devout ether
i like the idea of its gimmick being global buffs
@primal hazel Yeah, I can agree to this
opal lodge
i just love that a weapon named after the goddess of pot stirring is the beet one
devout ether
Since right now!
opal lodge
*best
primal hazel
im delighted
mellow quest
My main gripe about the rail is that the eris damage buff is just silly high and the non-hestia rail base attack damage is low enough that you shouldn't bother with anything but lightning or drunken strike
primal hazel
the beet one
primal hazel
so does zag sword
opal lodge
i just wish lucifer had better hanmers
mellow quest
like, even with concentrated beam + aphro attack
mellow quest
the ramp up on lucifer is just... very underwhelming
opal lodge
agreed
mellow quest
at least now the special is pretty good
primal hazel
just build for special hurr durr
opal lodge
a lot of lucifer is very underwhelming imo even with special buffs
primal hazel
well he fell from heaven
opal lodge
mellow quest
lucifer rail still a better melee weapon than zag sword
stark ore
Rama special-only is a better melee weapon than Zag Sword
mellow quest
because you can use tempest strike on it for meme
opal lodge
tempest strike is good for magma killing enemies at least
devout ether
a lot of lucifer is very underwhelming imo even with special buffs
@opal lodge Just get triple bomb 4Head
primal hazel
just get hazard bomb 5head
opal lodge
triple bomb is kind of nice because sending out two volleys blows them all up
actually can phase bosses if you do it right
mellow quest
imagine if SGG let us combine cluster and hazard bomb
but alas, gamers must be protected from themselves
frank dew
i quite liked in the pre release when you could have hazard and the extra big pulsing thing with luci it got stupidly huge and did quite abit of dmg
hollow monolith
still wish hazard bomb could proc revenge boons so i could do gigantic brain builds
turbid needle
They should make that a thing
devout ether
imagine if SGG let us combine cluster and hazard bomb
@mellow quest No man was meant to hold such power
still wish hazard bomb could proc revenge boons so i could do gigantic brain builds
@hollow monolith It would proc revenge on yourself though
devout ether
Charged Skewer
mellow quest
real answer, charged skewer and serrated point
worn folio
alrighty
turbid needle
Or Quick Spin.
split orbit
Does anyone know how curse of drwoning works with hera bow?
pliant anvil
it doesn't
void fjord
The real real answer is just massive spin
pliant anvil
@split orbit aspect of hera is specifically prevented from working with curse of drowning
it might be interesting on beowulf though
pliant anvil
right, which is why it might be interesting, because each cast would be 3 pulses
void fjord
And it pulses technically only once
queen patrol
whats a good build? for beowolf?
pliant anvil
I didn't say good, just interesting. because it would still be 3 pulses per cast
void fjord
Lol my dumb brain read smtg different
queen patrol
dino trippy shot with zesus?
pliant anvil
@queen patrol aphrodite cast is pretty good
void fjord
Ares and demeter r the 2 no no casts i think
pliant anvil
beowulf's big advantage is being able to immediately grab your casts again., but trippy shot does good damage on beowulf too
Yeah, almost any cast can work pretty well on beowulf tbh
queen patrol
do you charge it up x3? or 1 by 1
pliant anvil
depends on how many the enemy takes to kill
if I can kill them with 1 cast and 1 dragon charge, I use one so I can clear rooms quicker
same if they take two casts
opal lodge
trippy flare is the way
anything else is heresy
this post made by the dio cast gang
split orbit
The record scratch after stealing from chiron is great XD
pliant anvil
aphrodite is good too, fite me
opal lodge
imagine having to pick up cast stones couldnt be me
actually though aphro is good too
just sounds like a hassle
opal lodge
facts
its funny that stygian is so popular when WR was set with infernal
im sure aphro cast is good i just cant be bothered to switch at this point
stark ore
I only ever run Infernal with Poseidon Sword now really
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/774447338743267328/unknown.png If I had an extra cast from Chaos this would've been super good
queen patrol
wait with beowulf would u take crush shot?
stark ore
Yeah probably
opal lodge
crush or trippy is the way
depends on whether youre more comfortable with stygian or infernal soup
soul
typos galore today
queen patrol
weird on wiki it says cant be combiuned with aspect of beowolf
queen patrol
oh right nvm
finite siren
today i discovered aspect of hades and uh wtf this is OP
stark ore
Yup, super good on higher heats too
finite siren
i love how half the builds you can make in this game are stupidly broken
queen patrol
anything else i should go for with aphrodite with beowolf
stark ore
I'd switch to Hades but ever since I discovered how strong Phalanx Shot is I can't do anything else
split orbit
I have the choice of rare exit wounds, or rare deadly strike for potential duo with poseidon (hera bow)
split orbit
I also think I may have cucked this run due to explosive shot...
stark ore
Wait Mirage Shot works with Beowulf?
pliant anvil
it should, it doesn't have a restriction with beowulf like say, blizzard shot does
opal lodge
mirage shot on beowulf is insane
probably your go-to duo for beowulf
scales your damage in elysium
pliant anvil
it's a good duo, but it does require you to have flood shot instead of trippy/crush iirc
opal lodge
just harder to get
pliant anvil
Oh huh, I thought it was a flood shot exclusive
opal lodge
since you have to force artemis in asphodel ideally
and then hopefully pick up/force poseidon
mellow quest
you don't even have to have a cast boon to be offered mirage shot
opal lodge
i personally would always force poseidon if i have 3 gods going into elysium
pliant anvil
yeah, never mind that does make it pretty good if you can set up for it
opal lodge
mirage shot is just that good
anyone know how the second shot interacts with scintillating feast btw
is the lightning just less damage for the secondary shot
mellow quest
it's just another cloud with 30% damage
pliant anvil
So, full bolt damage?
opal lodge
or does the second cloud get no bolts
id imagine its just 30% damage bolts but ive never gotten the two together so i was curious
pliant anvil
I feel like the cast damage reduction only applies to the cast
like, I don't think mirage shot + flood shot causes less wall slam damage
terse compass
What are some good boons to get for shield? I don't have access to aspects yet i can't beat hades i got to him 5 times and i always die at the second phase
turbid needle
So triple shot + homing shot is a thing on bow, right?
I like ares on special, xerpun
Nice to constantly apply that doom
There's no Hammer that makes the Attack seek.
Oh duh I'm getting it mixed up with the rail
Triple and Explosive are a thing.
My brain was wishfully thinking so hard, it made me think that it was a bow thing
Triple can also go on the Legendary Aspect and because of its wide hitbox it stands a good chance of multi-hitting at point-blank range.
frank dew
id personally rather do it at distance with duo shot rama is so slow to draw that you can easily get interrupted and the enemy needs to be fat for you to hit with more than 1 shot with the tripple
turbid needle
Nah, the hitboxes overlap.
You're not going to regularly multi-hit Numbskulls but there's significant enough overlap where enemy chunkiness just means you can get a little farther away.
opal lodge
also just worth barrelstuffing to phase bosses
point blank triple shot doesnt let dad play the game
same with perfect triple
frank dew
are you sure the dmg acctually works on that? cause i know they removed that from lucifers triple shot
turbid needle
Yes.
opal lodge
it works
turbid needle
The hitboxes for Coronacht and Lucifer are very narrow.
The hitbox for Rama is super fat.
frank dew
yeah that wasnt the issue its that they just disabled it on lucifer
even if you hit with all 3 only one does dmg
opal lodge
nerfing a bottom tier weapon smh
frank dew
it wasnt bottom when they made the change
opal lodge
but yeah triple works with rama
turbid needle
Lucifer's great.
frank dew
they definately need to sort some of the luci hammers tho
i want the attack speed one back 😦
turbid needle
I do kiiinda wish Lucy's base start-up were a little faster.
frank dew
i will say athena on luci triggers me
turbid needle
Yeah, that's a funky hitbox.
frank dew
i get why they did it the way they did cause it would be OP otherwise but it just feels so weird and wrong
turbid needle
Really doesn't help that regular Rail works how you expect with Athena.
knotty dock
hey, sorta new, what do y’all think are the strongest/easiest builds for high heat levels?
turbid needle
Aspect of Poseidon.
safe dome
Eris is pretty fool proof imo
magic stone
You mean the DealKits High-end Water Pistols, Large-Capacity (2lb) Range (26ft)
By using Poseidon attack
knotty dock
What makes aspect of poseidon so good? I get the others, sorta confused on that one though.
safe dome
Whichever hammers you get you can always pick a usable one, same for the boon ( tho not starting with zeus attack is trolling )
magic stone
Strong cast
Literally no other explanation
Cast = Good
Strong cast = Even more good
And that’s math kiddos
safe dome
BUT ||Beowulf's || got my little seal of underratedness when it comes to high heat, it's extra fun AND with enough mastery over it you are quasi immortal. Love that thing
magic stone
||Beowulf|| is my second favourite hidden aspect
knotty dock
Is Chiron’s bow not op anymore?
frank dew
its still good
magic stone
I rate the top 3 weapons: Aspect of Eris, Aspect of Chiron and ||Arthur||
||arthur|| is more opinionated
But I eris and Chiron are nice
safe dome
Also merciful end demeter aspect is a free win if you get a ares into natural athena start
Eris and ||Beowulf || are just way too fun, I can't stop using them
magic stone
relentless volley is good with Chiron
And use Artemis special
And you win
aphro attack to weak so they take more damage. Aphro special and heart tend.
Heart rend*
primal hazel
i`m all bout that doom stacking lyfe with chiron
wraith moss
Does anyone know if Poseidons knockback scales with damage?
Or if the knockback is stronger based on rarity or whether it's flourish/strike, I figure it's probably the latter but I can't really tell
wraith moss
Flourish definitely seems like it knocks farther than strike does
primal hazel
knockback dmg should be self contained outside of global dmg buffs afaik
aside from boons augmenting it
terse compass
I need quick anwser will after party boon work between last boss phases?
primal hazel
no
terse compass
Okay thanks
primal hazel
you dont change chambers
fast moss
Tips for 4th spear aspect? Using it for the first time now, and struggling. Already lost all death defiance before hydra.
primal hazel
build either for special or attack
charged skewer and serrated point are key hammers
max it before attempting a run
don't get too greedy with your spin
frail schooner
level 1 guan yu is best guan yu
primal hazel
i can post build suggestions sec
fast moss
got ice special currently. it's disappointing because that's my main damage dealer right now.. But that's not different from how I'd normally play spear. So I don't see the point. Pulse was nice in the first 2 rooms without armoured guys. Lower health really hurts, but lifesteal is too slow.
primal hazel
Guan Yu special build artemis flourish, charged skewer, aphro duo, breaching skewer, heart rend|serrated point, hunter dash, artemis attack, aphrodite flourish heart rend
thats the basic stuff, since you have aphrodite you cantake zeus call and the smoldering air duo
you really want to abuse the special
thats prolly the easiest
crit gives you huge damage and it has natural piercing
fast moss
aphorodite and artemis. Cool, I'll look for those. Though I'm already invested in Demeter at the moment.
primal hazel
ice isnt that good because special doesnt lend well to stacking
i can honestly recommend restarting unless you wanna brave it out XD
fast moss
I got the ehh what's it called (not good with names). Things get decay.
I'm usually not one to give up. Always finish until the bitter end
Even if I know it's a crap build
primal hazel
sure best of luck then
fast moss
Myeah..managed to beat Asterius, but last few rooms later to shield guys. I was incredibly low health and already lost all my death defiance like I said. I don't see the point of this variant. Lifesteal is useless later on and doesn't compensate for the low health. Wasn't fun.
devout ether
You should never spin with GY, pretty much
fast moss
Well at least I get to practice the lyre again. Going to try the 4th aspect of the bow for the first time now. Hopefully that's better.
zinc oasis
Hello, I'm wondering, does "undamaged" means foes who haven't took any damage on their life bar (so if they have armor it's OK even if they've lost some armor) or if an ennemy has lost some armor he is considered "Damaged" ?
outer cave
i have secret bow, twin shot, and the bouncing shot
mellow quest
@zinc oasis enemies that have lost their armor still count as damaged. no double dipping on first strike damage bonuses.
primal hazel
i have secret bow, twin shot, and the bouncing shot
@outer cave explosive shot with twin still makes me moist
zinc oasis
@mellow quest thx! So I think I'm going to keep the purple side of the mirror for this one
mellow quest
fiery presence is pretty bad on most weapons/aspects. it really only comes to play when you have a special like exploding launcher spear that can't backstab anyway.
primal hazel
yo can you slide me a list fo what cant backstab? xD
devout ether
Hangover can't backstab
primal hazel
your profile picture is very fitting rn
proven osprey
One day, Nyaanyaa joked about a GY tempest strike build (total disaster anti synergy)
I did a painful run with it
And told 2 guys to try it, they were so hyped
I've never seen them again since
proven osprey
no
primal hazel
cause i remember someone saying tempest on gy good
or what weapon was it lol
well doesnt matter
proven osprey
10 days ago
No we can't let the word spread
but I read something about it today you're right
primal hazel
you're a shining example for this community and I'm proud of you
primal hazel
do you sometimes wake up at night and dread youre decisions?
proven osprey
usually I sleep
primal hazel
though you knew i was the collector of knowledge
person with a brain the density of swiss cheese
half crater
lowkey wanna do a series of GY tempest strike wins now
devout ether
I've seen lots of people claim that Poseidon is great to put on melee attacks so
proven osprey
person with a brain the density of swiss cheese
@primal hazel hey that's mean
half crater
flood victory boasting with them to confuse people
proven osprey
It's almost unplayable
primal hazel
i like tempest strike on zeus shield zeus flourish build with sea storm
proven osprey
If you don't cheat with special I mean
primal hazel
cause you push people with your shield
@primal hazel hey that's mean
@proven osprey i meant myself
proven osprey
ah
proven osprey
we don't deserve skelly
primal hazel
well he's bound by contract soooo
proven osprey
true
proven osprey
I have a solution
I'll atone
@haughty robin Hey buddy, how did that fancy GY tempest strike run went ?
primal hazel
he's grown
proven osprey
you are
primal hazel
haughty robin
Seeing everything get knocked out of the spin on one tick hurt my soul.
primal hazel
well at least that pain made you learn
proven osprey
If only Nyaanyaa could see that
primal hazel
and thus stronger
proven osprey
would be so funny
primal hazel
@cunning urchin
proven osprey
You know
haughty robin
Look, I knew it was gonna be bad. But I thought I could still just pin them on the wall and it'd be fine lmao
It was not fine.
primal hazel
i remember taking tempest struike on beowulf
bad times
less so on bosses
but in elysium
geez
primal hazel
i wonder how poseidon flourish interacts with talos
and i thought our relationship was bettering as of today
@proven osprey i supported you all the way
proven osprey
Look, I knew it was gonna be bad. But I thought I could still just pin them on the wall and it'd be fine lmao
@haughty robin It warms my heat to read that
@proven osprey i supported you all the way
@primal hazel yeah I guess
primal hazel
you cruel soul
proven osprey
Now
primal hazel
i thought you repented
proven osprey
I don't remember who was the other fellow
primal hazel
ask mango
proven osprey
You may have brought the fury of the creator of that god forsaken build
Idk if mango knows
proven osprey
Do you think I would have told people wonders about the build without trying it myself ?
proven osprey
Did it start with me ?
primal hazel
well technically nya ig
primal hazel
no brainer
left peak
Which do you recommend?
proven osprey
concentrated
proven osprey
POG COMBO
left peak
Okay, thanks
primal hazel
always take volley hammers with chiron
pearl imp
Volley hammers are bonkers on Chiron
primal hazel
imagine playing chiron and taking flurry shot
proven osprey
I did sometimes
primal hazel
mission failed
proven osprey
to get the mark faster 
left peak
Alright, thanks
proven osprey
I genuinely thought it was ok back in the day
I did not take it over volley hammers ofc
proven osprey
wait
it's supposed to be resident sleeper
but it's Zag
but he's not sleeping, clearly
primal hazel
always looks like orgasmface.jpg to me
proven osprey
exactly
primal hazel
on smartphone
balmy scroll
Hi all, I’ve had the game a day or so and I’m trying the talos aspect for the fists . I just got a Daedalus hammer and I’m not sure how to proceed. Options are rolling knuckle, quake cutter, and colossus knuckle. They all seem very beneficial, especially quake cutter for the special attack magnet. Any help would be great
primal hazel
id say quake
devout ether
If you've had the game for a day, just pick whatever
You're incentivized to pick all hammer boons and god boons for a reason, just try em on!
balmy scroll
Fair enough!
proven osprey
(I'll pick rolling)
primal hazel
wasnt rolling the replace 3 hit nsequence"?
primal hazel
oh dash strike combo?
proven osprey
yeah
Idk anything about fists tho
but I mean, it's dash strikes and rolling is too
primal hazel
i thought i do but appareantly i dont
proven osprey
so my brain cells figured something out
proven osprey
my pleasure
proven osprey
what time is it ?
devout ether
it's just past nine
proven osprey
nice.
primal hazel
1:11 am for me
proven osprey
back to work !
terse compass
Who should i max with nectar first?
proven osprey
I'd say the first thing to do is giving it to everyone to get the keepsakes
then do as you like
terse compass
I need to give 3 more nectars but i have 4 in my inv right now so i want to start maxing someone
placid topaz
not sure this is the best channel to have this discussion, but i'd recommend anyone in the house of hades (rather than the gods)
primal hazel
i*d recommend giving everyone at least one nectar first
maxing peeps in the house hs a merit for companions at first
terse compass
Okay thanks
primal hazel
the important thing bout gods is their keepsakes
left peak
Guys I have literally unlocked 6 non-zag aspects
and the hidden aspects still haven't unlocked
primal hazel
and for stuff after the story
left peak
What am I doing wrong?
primal hazel
Rng my dude
placid topaz
keep spending that blood
primal hazel
welcome to hades
placid topaz
keep playing
keen hazel
the conversation is also rng based
primal hazel
conversational rng is the actual roguelike part of hades
keen hazel
since you only get one conversation progression per character per run it gets backlogged sometimes
primal hazel
youve been fooled
left peak
Okay meta-wise what's the strongest aspect of the spear
Hidden-aspect not included
Since I haven't unlocked it
primal hazel
eris
proven osprey
the important thing bout gods is their keepsakes
@primal hazel what about the procrastination
left peak
Eris?
primal hazel
i'm memeing
left peak
Who then?
placid topaz
i hear good things about achilles
left peak
Which aspect *
primal hazel
debatable honestly
placid topaz
but i dont run the spear too much these days other than playing around with the hidden aspect
proven osprey
It is
left peak
Achilles, huh?
proven osprey
Guan Yu by far
primal hazel
i think all aspects besides vanilla are p equal
left peak
Other than Guan Yu
placid topaz
yeah guan yu special build is like... a slightly crap version of the bow lol
proven osprey
Achilles is a cast
placid topaz
yeah, fair
proven osprey
yeah guan yu special build is like... a slightly crap version of the bow lol
@placid topaz oof
silk hearth
is there any reason to upgrade my special when using chiron with artemis
primal hazel
upgrade special?
silk hearth
yea
proven osprey
at some point the scaling is bad
placid topaz
what do you mean "upgrade"?
left peak
So Hades then?
placid topaz
poms?
silk hearth
since the dmg is really bad
primal hazel
oh poms
proven osprey
so not really
primal hazel
leveling
proven osprey
come on guys wake up
placid topaz
yeah pom the crap out of artemis special on chiron - its basically your entire DPS
primal hazel
yeah deadly strike has p bad pom scaling
silk hearth
chaos gives about +50 and pom gives so little
placid topaz
scaling might be bad, but you're not doing much else damage wise so...
proven osprey
do you have something worth to pom tho ?
primal hazel
crit is youre entire dps
proven osprey
no it's not
silk hearth
isnt it much btr
silk hearth
why
primal hazel
scaling might be bad, but you're not doing much else damage wise so...
@placid topaz clean kill
also bad pom scaling
pp i mean
placid topaz
i mean sure, if you have better things to pom, by all means, but you're basically just tagging with attack and spamming special till the tag timer is up, rinse repeat
placid topaz
so its not like you have other things worth pomming either lol
might as well pom the special
primal hazel
clean kill is worth pomming imo
proven osprey
it's crit not dmg
silk hearth
crit is dmg o.o
proven osprey
your dps does not increase that much with it
primal hazel
pom heart rend kappa
proven osprey
even less that pomming your special
silk hearth
gotta find that link about pom scaling
primal hazel
imo clean kill pomming is not that bad since it adds to the multiplicative crit dmg
not the best obvs
left peak
Okay, which aspect of the rail is strongest?
proven osprey
I would pom it
primal hazel
eris
proven osprey
eris
left peak
Seriously?
primal hazel
ofc
left peak
Oh
primal hazel
I would pom it
@proven osprey though you disagreed with me
silk hearth
if i dont hv clean kill
opal lodge
why wouldnt you just pom whatever has crit chance
silk hearth
yea
primal hazel
get clean kill
silk hearth
isnt crit chance multiplicative
opal lodge
that would add to the flat damage that gets mutiplied by crit
proven osprey
lmao
silk hearth
so its btr anyway
primal hazel
the only thing nthat increases your crit chance by pomming is pp
opal lodge
more efficient than pomming clean kill
left peak
I see
primal hazel
and that doesnt do much
silk hearth
wat
proven osprey
pomming PP is no bueno
primal hazel
clean killm adds to the multiplicative damage
silk hearth
if my crit increases from 20 to 30 thats big
primal hazel
so it adds more damage
silk hearth
heart rend alr adds 150
primal hazel
since its not additive damage scaling like pomming deadly strike
opal lodge
not clean kill
primal hazel
pomming clean kill does more for you damage wise
silk hearth
yea im saying that if u hv chaos boons to help ur special its not neccessary to pom ur special