@keen hazel If you really have no idea what god keepsake to use in Asphodel, take Chthonic Coin Purse. Then, your options are open in Elysium.
#h1-builds-and-combat
keen hazel
@keen hazel If you really have no idea what god keepsake to use in Asphodel, take Chthonic Coin Purse. Then, your options are open in Elysium.
@spare flare I have my own things I use lol
I wasnt confused on what to use
spare flare
It's specifically "rare or better," which explicitly includes duos. This has been confirmed by people with far more experience and insight than me.
kindred trout
So does it add 0.2 to the legendary check, epic check, and rare check? Wow.
warm stag
Trying to decide between Privileged Status or Family Favorite. My initial reaction is that Family Favorite is probably better for consistency, but is Priveleged Status a better pick? Both see to be RNG based to get optimal use regardless
half crater
your initial reaction is basically right
gray shore
PS is good with certain aspects because they find it easier to apply 2 status curses
but FF always works in every run unconditionally
half crater
FF is more consistent, and usually you wanna take it
I only take PS when i'm doing a build that i know can easily get 2 status effects
gray shore
It's one of the mirror choices I sit there debating about after seeing my darkness weapon
warm stag
Thanks all. Still working my way through things. Need to clear Asphodel without eating bombs. XD
gray shore
good luck mate 
spare flare
Family Favorite is the competitive meta. Privileged Status is what I often run because I hit up Aphro and Zeus for the power to win quickly, but I also hit up Dionysus for free nectar.
warm stag
I really like stacking Hangovers. I find more success with hit-and-run ranged poking, so stacking up a lot of DoT works for me
gray shore
It's not a bad strat for sure
spare flare
Especially if you buff enemy attack speeds, yeah, for sure.
opal lodge
what else do you have
if you're running zeus attack i would reroll for jolted or storm lightning
rapid rose
Only had zeus attack
spare flare
100% that. If you don't already have Thunder Strike and you don't want to reroll for it (or can't because you got a different Strike), perhaps because this is a rarity-boosted boon, go for Flourish.
So yeah, reroll for Static Discharge.
spare flare
Pff, no.
Aphro, ideally.
Then, you get Smoldering Air, a good call, and maniacal laughter.
opal lodge
aphro or artemis on special is very good
with aphro you get access to sweet surrender which takes eris damage to insane levels
pliant anvil
isn't sweet surrender additive though?
opal lodge
with artemis you get PP + crit chance on your bombs which is very good
opal lodge
It should be multiplicative because sweet surrender effects how much damage enemies take
pliant anvil
At least, that's how the wiki lists it
opal lodge
not how much damage you do to them
half crater
sweet surrender is additive yeah
kindred trout
Wouldn't Ares Special also be decent to open Vengeful Mood, and cause Eris-boosted doom is pretty legit?
opal lodge
ok but it's additive for damage taken
opal lodge
i don't rate vengeful mood just because 3 seconds is a long time
half crater
iirc it just ends up working like an additive +%, regardless of how it’s worded
pliant anvil
Like an attack boon would do with eris's damage increase
opal lodge
hmm the only reason i thought that was because i imagine it functions the same way as targeting system
half crater
i could be wrong tho
pliant anvil
same. Targeting system might also be additive, but I'm not sure on that
gray shore
Does anybody understand why replacing boons is so much harder?
opal lodge
like the tooltip is worded very similar to targeting system and i was under the impression targeting system is multiplicative
replacing boons requires that you have that slot filled, and then is a 10% chance
pliant anvil
^ it's easier (but riskier because boon > no boon) to sell an unwanted boon and hope to get a boon to replace it
opal lodge
if you know that you already have all the rest of your core boons
gray shore
It just feels like the replace option doesn't come up that often, even when you have exclusive access
opal lodge
and you know that god is coming up
gray shore
but yes
you can force prio boon replacement
I was just wondering the mathematical mechanics
opal lodge
you can sell withi very high chance to see the boon you want
exclusive access does not interact with it
gray shore
I see I see
opal lodge
the replacement boon will always be one level rarity higher
opal lodge
i think ello was going to do a stream to test if a heroic can be replaced but i don't know if anything came of that
gray shore
heroic is the highest no?
opal lodge
yeah
gray shore
don't think i've seen it offer a replace
I've gotten heroic a few times from rare crop
opal lodge
well replace is also as you've noticed just a very low chance
gray shore
true true
spare flare
- Doom Flourish is good, yes.
- Vengeful Mood is good, yes. However, in Eris time, it's slightly slow. Still not bad, but not as good as it is with a more laid-back weapon.
gray shore
would need a lot more data
that's why i throw out my hypotheses here and see what sticks
:P
130 runs sounds like a lot but is it really that big a sample size
opal lodge
smoldering air is really good on eris but it also makes it very very hard to use dad keepsake, which you should use if you want to go for speed
gray shore
the biggest benefit from dad keepsake comes at lvl 3 right?
warm stag
Is there a way to tell which weapons I still have uncollected Titan Blood on?
Besides fihting through Tartarus I mean. XD
opal lodge
it should tell you at the beginning pact of punishment screen
it'll say "fill the heat gauge up to ___"
warm stag
Ah, Im not that faryet I guess
languid dagger
guys, one question has always been bugging me. Hermes has a boon that makes you move faster after dash ("sprint") for 0.5-0.7 seconds and makes you sturdy. He also have a passive for 100% damage bonus from speed bonuses. How does that dash bonus calculates into that passive?
Like do I get short boost after every time I dash?
cunning urchin
Yes.
languid dagger
that is pretty op, managed to squeeze it in my latest Zeus shield build
opal lodge
yes hyper sprint + rush delivery is a very strong combo
languid dagger
what about Hermes "Special speed" bonuses and specials like bomb from Rail gun or basically any special. Or attack speed bonus and stuff like Shield Bull Rush
how does it work together?
faster animation?
opal lodge
faster animation but only for the standing version
does not apply to dash strikes or dash specials
in other words the attack speed one kind of sucks
the special speed one is very funny in combo with some other things
i've gotten +30% special speed + eris cluster rocket
languid dagger
what about attack speed + fists?
opal lodge
extra dashes add more to your dps on fists if you're running merciful end regardless of your attack speed
from hermes
languid dagger
so attack speed is kinda meh bonus overall. Maybe for Rail gun normal attack tho
rapid rose
Thanks for the help got my first rail win
languid dagger
I did notice that Flurry cast is super good when you have something like steroided Trippy Shot
or basically any good buffed casts
opal lodge
flurry cast can be good
quick reload + flurry cast both give you opportunity to get the hermes legendary
which is nice for infernal cast builds
languid dagger
not that far in the game so not familiar with build names. Only on Heat 3 on all weapons
also trying to discover cool build combos by myself
so far didn't really crack the bow
everything feels bad
and low dps
and awkward to play
pliant anvil
The bow is pretty good. With the exception of Chiron and hera, artemis on attack, athena or aphro on special and the duo boon will do pretty well
Chiron can reverse that, and hera is a cast build
sonic mural
what to build on guan yu?
how to play it?
does the spin attack count as an attack to boons?
pliant anvil
Basically, you look for charged skewer or serrated, then get artemis on that, and aphrodite on the other iirc
opal lodge
you can also do merciful end with ares on the attack + athena on the special
serrated point + charged skewer still good
open heron
is ares special chiron bow build any good?
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open heron
it does with dire misfortune
gray shore
that's only really significantly good if you're triggering it with merciful end
and it's not the best weapon for that duo
there are better options
open heron
I have been trying to figure out what else makes sense besides dio special
gray shore
arty
gray shore
sure
big numbers, lot of hits
t2 boons for arty can really make that build take off
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open heron
and then just like, whatever on attack?
open heron
oh that seems legit
gray shore
deadly reversal is also legit
but that requires running divine strike
and probably picking up divine dash to proc as well
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gray shore
support boons for arty to look out for
are clean kill, support fire, hunter's mark and hide breaker
with that many deadly flourish instances, it gets hard not to proc all your effects
pressure points is still decent but I don't think it's as important to Chiron arty as other builds
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open heron
i mean, do i prioritize a common hunters mark over an epic clean kill?
gray shore
depends how early really. If it's early in the run you can pick up speculative high rarity stuff and roll for it later. Point is experience will guide how speculatively you can build your runs
midnight scaffold
opal lodge
you dont need to do max charge
try to charge the spin for as little as possible
the range should still be sufficient because of the inherent buff to spin range
silent talon
when you use zeus attack on eris and get splitting bolt x'D
rigid zodiac
hmmm most of the boons affect the attack, special or cast. with the fist i have the 'dash-upper' ability (dash+special). is it affected by boons that add damage/other to Special?
not sure how to scale it
like i got the option to choose 'youre sturdy while attacking or using special'
does it count for dash-upper
opal lodge
colossus knuckle should affect dash-upper
fast shore
Hey guys, looking for a bit of help. Trying really hard to get legendary boons for the prophecy, and I'm trying to get Fully Loaded right now from Artemis. I've done 15+ runs starting (and 8 runs keeping throughout the run) with the adamant arrow.
I'm running Dark Foresight for the +20% chance of a boon room,
Gods' legacy for +10% chance of a legendary,
Fated persuasian to roll her boons in case I don't get one of the '3' particular boons as options that you need two of to get her legendary.
Anyone have any ideas? This has been like, a 8+ hour grind for a single boon. Does it matter I'm doing 15+ heat? Do they get less common the higher heat you go? Been just using her constantly while I gradually raise the heat of each of my weapons, so it's not like this is my only mission, was just really hoping to get it done on the side but it doesn't wanna happen.
Not sure what to do at this point. It's a little bit frustrating. I've gotten 2 of the boons needed probably 10-13 times, but never getting offered the legendary afterward.
pliant anvil
@fast shore make sure you fill your priority slots first increase your boon chance selection. After that, it's mostly down to RNG
How does trippy shot work with hera? Does it pop up in the air, then come down slowly, or just explode?
gray shore
fyi it took me 80 or so runs to finish all my boon prophecies
fast shore
Priority slots? So it's better to make sure special, dash, etc all have at least something is that it?
gray shore
from what i hear trippy shot gets thrown out instantly at the point of impact, making it a good choice on Hera. But don't quote me on that
Priority slots are all your boon slots on the left column
pliant anvil
hm, I'll have to try it then
gray shore
Strike=> Call
if you notice all your boon choices will auto include 1 of your prio slots unless they are all full
pliant anvil
^
gray shore
therefore filling them all up increases the chance you will receive your target support boon
basic probability
fast shore
Oh, sweet. Thanks y'all, that's good to know. I'll try doing that.
gray shore
good luck mate!
pliant anvil
good luck!
silent talon
first time i finished the theseus fight in 45 seconds xD
keen hazel
Touch of Styx doesn’t have any funky requirements to be offered other than stubborn defiance right? Literally the only thing on my prophecy list I don’t have
gray shore
correct it's stubborn defiance only
pliant anvil
even though it isn't listed, is trippy flare still a pre-req for the zeus duo?
Ah it is, cool
keen hazel
correct it's stubborn defiance only
@gray shore just wanted to make sure. I’ve done several runs now geared towards specifically getting it with no luck
fossil compass
so empowering flight for zeus shield...
does that mean every zeus hit, the attack is empowered?
silk storm
What tips do people have for Aspect of Hades spear?
ebon pewter
Hades makes the sweep better right?
So ares and Artemis are probably your best bets for getting good damage
pallid drum
whats a good build for fists? Low heat run
fossil compass
how low are we talking about?
ebon pewter
Probably not the best tho
opal lodge
artemis is good for hades spear
fossil compass
hmmm, zeus on attack should work fine for that low heat
opal lodge
hades spear you want to build for heart rend, which is the artemis - aphro duo boon
fossil compass
you could make it really easy on yourself and stack evasion
I assume you have low blood? 5 blood is enough to max zag aspect
with a big of luck and speed, lambent plume will get you up to 40% evasion
which is... huge
opal lodge
@fossil compass in terms of empowering flight for zeus shield, i remember someone saying it doesn't work the way you'd expect it to
which is unfortunate
fossil compass
if you get some nice hermes boon, that's even more
it's ok @opal lodge , I gave up on it
I think it's undoable on 32
pallid drum
I have a lot of blood. I do high heat runs with sword/spear just not fists
opal lodge
like the first hit on a special throw give you empowered bonus and the rest don't
fossil compass
the """Ideal""" build is merciful ending with athena dash, but it's a bait
you need 4 boon to set it up and it's a major, major pain to get it
at least for me
fossil compass
people don't really like the hidden one. I like it enough
but demeter is the best aspect
primal hazel
Hof tf is a 4 book setup hard lol
fossil compass
take merciful ending if you're lucky, if not, just use zeus attack
pallid drum
I havent seen what it does but im trying to unlock all of them. Whats considered the best fist aspect?
fossil compass
demeter
pallid drum
so try for merciful end and any hammer boons that are really good?
fossil compass
there's a lot that's good, but none that's gamebreaking like chiron's hammers
at least, that's my opinion
kinetic launcher is great, the normal attack hammers are great
but it's not gonna make or break the run
unlike some eris/chiron hammers that will just carry y ou through even with just 1 boon
pallid drum
I got kinetic launcher and im using demeter so ill try it out
fossil compass
yeah, that's optimal
ares on attack, athena on special first
that qualifies you for merciful ending
also athena dash
fossil compass
the move is spam dash strike --> your strike gives doom --> your dash procs merciful ending --> big dps
mellow quest
Kinetic launcher is no breaching cross or explosive upper.
fossil compass
and uh... the one that makes doom slower but deal more damage? merciful ending counters the downside of that
and once you do 12 attacks, use your special
and repeat
primal hazel
Impending doom
still vigil
rolling stone
proven osprey
random light
I havent seen what it does but im trying to unlock all of them. Whats considered the best fist aspect?
@pallid drum DEMETER FISTS BABYYYYYY
turbid needle
what’s yalls favorite weapon? ||currently i have the electric shield and magnet gauntlets but wanted to try others||
random light
Demeter Fists, for SURE
rigid zodiac
lmao
my gun build is soooo bad that my main source of damage is just poseidon dash + triple dash...
and i just slam everything into walls 😐
random light
what else
just Demeter FistsPoseidon/Nemesis Sword and Chiron Bow
turbid needle
okay cool
mellow sierra
what gods you guys like with chaos shield 🙂
primal hazel
Imma pull up the ol build list again xD
Chaos: Ares Attack/Demeter Attack, Zeus Special,Jolted, ideally Splitting Bolt, ideally Divine Dash or something to enable Privilege Status if you don't have Jolted|Poseidon flourish, Zeus duo, pos legendary
| means different builds
The first one is the more effective one
You could technically also go for ares with dire misfortune, impending doom, pressure points and support fire and stack doom
rigid zodiac
lmaaaaaao cant beliueve i killed hades with this gun bnuild looooolo
poseidon dash + triple dash + artemis super speed and defense when dash and i just zoomzoom around the arena for like 10 minutes.....
primal hazel
Artemis???
rigid zodiac
i think its artemis? Hyper Sprint
rigid zodiac
i stacked all of the dash abilities and it did more damage than my guns ;x
ah right hermes
who's artemis i cant even remember
proven osprey
girl with bow
primal hazel
Crit girl
robust anchor
green
fossil compass
so does boons that improve attacks improve dash strikes as well?
specifically, does deadly strike and hunter dash stack?
primal hazel
An attack boon modifies dash strike damage
Only hunter dash modifies dash strike damage
sonic mural
Is crit or weak better on excalibur attack?
primal hazel
Both fine
I prefer crit with double edge and hunter dash
sonic mural
Doesn’t your main damage come from the third attack tho?
primal hazel
Either you go for dash attack
Or you just buffer the first two attacks and dash in for third
Dash is safer
random light
You tend to spam dash attack on Arthur
Although hitting crit with that last basic attack is 👌🏾👌🏾👌🏾
rare kayak
someone good at hades pls explain
oh nvm plume works for it too
didnt know that thats cool
blissful barn
Does Parting Shot actually require you to backstab? I'm watching some videos and seems like it doesn't.
half crater
it does not
it just increases your cast’s damage by an amount equal to your backstab bonus
blissful barn
thanks 👍
mellow quest
you backstab with casts still @blissful barn it's just that parting shot makes Phalanx shot specifically backstab at any angle
it's still really good on crush shot
blissful barn
So it does nothing on Hydra then? Since he cannot be backstabbed.
opal lodge
@blissful barn that would be correct
half crater
wait what
this is not what i was told
admittedly, i haven’t taken parting shot much since then, but my understanding was that you didn’t have to physically backstab?
solid cairn
opal lodge
ok once and for all
i will lab parting shot
so we can end this discussion and know for sure
half crater
i mean i used to think you had to backstab, but was told i was wrong lol
now i’m just even more confused
blissful barn
I tried using the boon spawner mod and from a quick test I got that Phalanx Shot can fronstab and the "backstab" hover text appears and crush shot cannot frontstab
So I'd assume that if the hover text cannot appear then it won't work
toxic rose
I thought u need to hit from front to backstab with phalanx shot as hera bow
As the cast spawn behind
Is it from any angle now
plucky harbor
hey guys
any boons that goes well with rama?
by that I mean other than artemis or hermes
pliant anvil
Artemis on attack and either aphrodite or athena for their duos
devout ether
winter wave
whats a good boon to pair demeter with on eris? first 3 boons from her were all epic attack, special, cast xD. Do i just run full slow build 
opal lodge
twin, triple, perfect, point blank all good with rama
chain is good but kind does jack vs bosses
dry ember
how did you forget the Repulse Shot, the ultimate hammer for Rama?
opal lodge
it cleared 55 heat so it must be good
plucky harbor
repulse shot is useful. but my luck on hammer is lower than winning lottery
cunning ibex
Breaking wave, Typhoon's fury, lvl 2 heroic tidal dash. greatest reflex, lightning reflex, static discharge. and sea storm
who wants to dare me to beat Hades with only dashes
winged forge
So
Burst+Homing+Lightning+Jolting+Fast adamant rail is kind of op
I would've probably gotten to Hades but I died like an idiot to 397% damage lava in asphodel
So, yeah.
I like the gun
split orbit
Had a great build just now (I lost though). It was a cast build using ares cast with ares demeter duo boon and the boon that makes the blade rift track and suck in people. Also had the chill decay boon
Positively melted wonderboy
rare kayak
fun fact
zag was born with flames on his feet
as a foreshadowing by the fates
of how much damn lava he would step in
green shard
Lmao
rare kayak
also, lava from bp burner enemies actually dont get the 5x damage from heightened security
presumably because its an attack and not a trap
not sure about the one that appears in encounters though
green shard
Also if you have the trap resistance boon from Athena on epic lava damage is reduced by one and you can stand in the lava longer before taking damage, your screen will still catch fire but it'll be a few seconds before you take damage
cunning urchin
also, lava from bp burner enemies actually dont get the 5x damage from heightened security
presumably because its an attack and not a trap
Yeah, Excalibur also doesn't disable the damage, and you don't reduce that damage with Sure Footing.
rare kayak
nyaanyaa
does that include the lava bombs that come from environmental lava?
excalibur should reduce that damage though
green shard
rare kayak
oh wow
green shard
See this is what i don't understand, if some one made a streamable with nsfw you'd still see it
rare kayak
that doesnt look right
green shard
Lol yeah, Zagreus ballerina
untold vortex
what patch was that from?
green shard
Also it auto downloads,onto your device
cunning urchin
does that include the lava bombs that come from environmental lava?
Yes. They're basically just the same thing.
excalibur should reduce that damage though
I've no idea. Maybe.
cunning urchin
I remember that bug lol.
untold vortex
ty :3
rare kayak
hm
untold vortex
I assume it's been fixed since (I don't know I don't really touch GY)
rare kayak
i touch gy but i dont use the spin
speaking of spin, hades aspect + explosive launcher is also really good
green shard
I imagine, although I haven't fought the tiny vermin king since the update after that
I always assumed they removed that boss cause ive never fought them after that
rare kayak
slap an artemis special onto it and youre on your way to nuking everything
they havent removed any bosses iirc
untold vortex
tiny vermin still exists
rare kayak
only minibosses intartarus and asphodel were changed
cunning urchin
That bug wasn't specific to Guan Yu. It happened on all the charge-like moves. Could happen with spear, bow, and I think shield, too.
green shard
And that's the only time you can see that glitch, the tiny vermin has to die as you're charging your spin attack for that final aspect
I only ever witnessed it on Guan yu because it happened to me several times
Enough times for,me to predict when it would happen so I could record it
rare kayak
cant believe i already feel like cranking up my heat again
cunning urchin
It could happen on all the bosses.
rare kayak
i know its a bad idea but somehow...
cunning urchin
I mean just do what feels like fun. It's not a bad idea if it's fun.
green shard
I've never had it happen on any boss othr than the tiny vermin
rare kayak
yeah see nyaanyaa the thing is that i turned it to 20 and added fo2 again and stopped having fun because i was consistently getting killed
stopped playing for half a week
came back and havent lost a run since
green shard
And it only happened when the tiny vermin king died as I charged my spin attack. No other boss made me glitch like that as I was charging and they died
west trail
I can clear the game fine on increasing heat levels for all weapon types except for the spear so far. I was using guan yu as people said it was the easiest but it still feels so hard for me. It's fine until the final two bosses though. Anyone have any tips for guan yu late game, or an alternative spear?
With it I lose all three lives through theseus to hades. Normally the bosses aren't a problem at all on the other weapons. And they take soooo long to die. Even with artemis special
cunning urchin
I don't think it's the easiest at all. It takes a lot of practice for the -50% HP to not hurt your run. But it can be very rewarding if you do put in the practice or if you have just generally good fundamentals in the game.
west trail
The special is just so slow and locks you in place.
cunning urchin
Optimal rotation on Guan Yu for DPS is Special > Dash-Strike > Dash-Strike.
west trail
Poseidon dash?
cunning urchin
Nah, Hunter Dash or Divine Dash.
The Special has amazing AOE and pierces enemies. So you can do a lot of damage to a lot of things at once.
Then finish them off with the Dash-Strikes if they're not already dead.
That playstyle really wants you to no-hit most encounters, though.
You could also try a spin build with Divine Strike. That allows for more player error because the spin will deflect things and just lifesteal all the time.
That's probably the easier way to play Guan Yu, but it's also slower.
north pike
just unlocked the gloves and felt like i did no damage how should i build them dx
robust anchor
merciful end
ares attack and athena special and athena dash
even if you dont get the duo, ares attack still does best dps on the gloves
hope this helps :)
north pike
yaya
rare kayak
glove attack has low base but high speed so you want the fixed damage boons rather than the percentage increase boons
then slap a percentage increase on special because its got fatty damage
a pretty good build you can try for is ares attack athena special athena dash and merciful end
even without the duo its still got good damage
and with the duo its got insane power
green shard
Guan yu is so hard what? That's a highly skill based weapon
green shard
Sure it is powerful but you also lose so much health using it, and your timing has to be right in order for it to actually be useful
rare kayak
with the special you can output enough damage to oneshot crowds before they really become a problem
its pretty much best defense is a good offense
plucky harbor
What a coincidence my last run was ares guan yu
green shard
I can't ever get enough damage on my special
plucky harbor
Doom, doom stack, attack buff. Got around 345 doom per beyblade thingy
Sadly no charge up hammer
rare kayak
well i guess guan yu is also just about positioning otherwise
which can be hard to learn and adapt for sure
plucky harbor
I did die to lernie lel
green shard
BEYBLADE lmao
cunning urchin
You just gotta take High Confidence at 32 Heat. That's the real way to play Guan Yu.
More seriously, avoid FO on Guan Yu. It just makes everything so much harder.
cunning urchin
Forced Overtime.
plucky harbor
Ah well, I did no heat for darkness
rare kayak
td2 is barely a time limit though
cunning urchin
You want Deadly Flourish or Heartbreak Flourish on it. But then it only really shines with Charged Skewer. It's still good without it, but the difference is huge.
Charged Skewer also solves the startup because you can just quick-release it and it'll be faster than without Charged Skewer.
Without Charged Skewer, I'd focus more on buffing my Dash-Attack damage.
You'll still want Heartbreak Flourish or Deadly Flourish, though.
Serrated Point is amazing, but it takes a lot of practice because of the reduced dash distance. My early runs with it, I just kept dying to Hades lol.
west trail
So the lifesteal spin build sounds more appealing to me I think. I normally like quick weapons so maybe that's why guan yu doesn't fit me
cunning urchin
But now it just speeds up my runs so much.
west trail
What's a good spear aspect besides guan yu?
cunning urchin
Hades and Achilles are both really good.
west trail
And yeh, unfortunately of my five runs I only got charged skewer once
cunning urchin
Achilles is meta for speedruns and Hades for high heat.
west trail
Ah achiles was the devs favourite spear in that race they streamed
cunning urchin
I'd actually want Serrated Point over Charged Skewer.
west trail
Ohh I didn't know that. I thought it was always guan yu
cunning urchin
High chance to get at least one of them in your run.
west trail
What counts as high heat? Like 30 or above?
cunning urchin
Breaching Skewer is also okay, and Massive Spin is nice if you don't get the other three.
west trail
I don't think I'm there yet. I'm getting all my weapons up one at a time, whichever has the dark thirst on. They're all about 5 now except for shield at 15
I got massive spin like every time. I didn't get good hammers
The anvil at the end helped me out though
cunning urchin
I was talking about 40+ in this case. Just highlighting that those two spear aspects are the ones that stand out.
west trail
I never really go for dash damage. I could try that out then
silk hearth
im struggling a lot with the theseus fight when using FO2
cant handle asterius charge and it keeps hitting me
west trail
You can dash through the pillars so he slams into them
west trail
Like you're a wizard going to platform and 3/4s while he's a muggle
silk hearth
do i stay near the pillar when fighting him so i can dash through when hes charging up
west trail
If you're going for a privileged status build, you can choose demetria for her chill to slow him down?
I try to do that yeh
silk hearth
damn
west trail
But I'm a noob here :s
west trail
The others will know better
silk hearth
well its fine
plucky harbor
No shame :>
cunning urchin
You can dash through the pillars so he slams into them
That's actually a bad idea tbh.
Odds of him zooming around the pillar and right behind you afterwards are pretty high.
plucky harbor
Also I found out if you got the duo artemis and demeter boon, the crystals actually track hades even if he's invisible :0
cunning urchin
You want to dash through him and away from the pillar when you're next to it and he's coming close.
Or the wall.
Worst case, he doesn't crash into it and has to do a 180 in a wider arc, which gives you some time to try again.
If you dash through a pillar and he zooms around it, you're probably just getting hit.
If you have a pillar on your right and the wall on your left or vice versa, and he charges at you, dashing through him will make him crash into the pillar or wall trying to turn around.
Works almost every time.
opal lodge
you should also try to line up your summon so it hits both of them and it will make the fight much much easier
they can't deal damage if they're dead
west trail
Thank you for the tips!
Although I try to just damage asterius alone as I don't want to push theseus below 50/30% to start his harder phase
cunning urchin
You can actually just zerg through Theseus's phase 2 immediately when he goes into it.
He's completely open to attacks during the initial call.
So I always just try to get in as much damage as I can there.
robust anchor
my favorite spear is definitely achil
opal lodge
yeah if you have no summon the safer bet is to just full kill minotaur and then try to burst theseus as he calls
but otherwise you should probably have enough damage to just full burst both of them at the same time
cunning urchin
It's kinda hard to fight both of them at the same time until you're very familiar with each individually.
Unless you really know how to build for DPS consistently, but then you probably also have the experience in the fight already.
river wing
does anyone happen to know off hand if Achilles spear damage bonus affects the entire duration of crystal/riftblade cast?
plucky harbor
I'd pick chaos gate anyday
opal lodge
chaos for timesave erebus if you actually need the 50 health centaur heart (you probably don't)
river wing
thanks
silk hearth
thanks for the help, didnt realise i could dodge through asterius lol
its not possible to constantly through him and time out his dash right
river wing
you could run along a wall, and dash through him backwards. he has a big turning angle and will hit the wall when attempting to make a 180 turn.
silk hearth
oh that sounds good too
warm snow
I hold the shield and block Asterius easily
His bull rush can't hurt Zag
I'm practicing holding shield Asterius EM3
Can't block Hades' spin attack, though
cunning urchin
You can block the spin attack, too.
It's easier to block it if you just Bull Rush through it, though.
silk hearth
well shield is a totally different scenario
bull rushed all the bosses with it and took no dmg though that was on low heat
rare kayak
just did a run to test crystal beams + arctic blast combo
its surprisingly effective because you can build up chill incredibly fast
and the arctic blasts have a pretty strong aoe
plus you get insane call refill once crystal clarity gets online
pine granite
I did a full hades fight hidding behind my shield while my ares/Zeus duo was doing all the job
latent kettle
What builds are people using for Lucifer? I haven't used the weapon much, and when I've tried stuff like Dio or Zeus attack, my runs were slower than a similar setup on Zag aspect.
half crater
for lucy rn the big one is the “supersoaker” build; poseidon attack, zeus anywhere you want and sea storm
latent kettle
Oh that sounds way too fun. I'mma try it.
unkempt pagoda
triple bomb divine flourish, preferably with greater inferno but flash fire works too
latent kettle
In the two runs I've done so far, I have yet to see triple bomb, but that also sounds good.
Haven't upgraded it too far yet, so I'll try the hellfire stuff once I get some more titan blood.
waxen comet
Feeling rather frustrated trying to get Beowulf Aegis to work. Any tips to complete a run with it?
hollow folio
you can go either for a special build or a cast build with beowulf
i just cleared a cast build built around dionysus cast, using stygian soul instead of infernal soul
waxen comet
I tried cast with Zeus and Ares so far, to very limited effect
hollow folio
you typically want dio, poseidon, aphrodite or artemis casts imo
river wing
anyone likes blizzard shot? I just tried it out and spend rerolls on well of purging. lol.
waxen comet
Zeus felt terrible, frankly.
hollow folio
yea meant dio sorry
waxen comet
Ah
unkempt pagoda
passion flare i find works best, with infernal soul
hollow folio
then you aim for chaos gates to get extra casts, buy extra casts form shop, or artemis legendary
unkempt pagoda
??? blizzard shot is one of the best cast morphs in the game lol
hollow folio
it is? interesting
unkempt pagoda
you dunk it onto an enemy and watch them explode
waxen comet
Blizzard Shot does mad damage for a cast
river wing
hmm it's so slow compared to flood
waxen comet
That's part of the point
unkempt pagoda
that's the point, really
rigid zodiac
do bonuses to Attack affect the damage of dash-attack when using a bow?
waxen comet
The little projectiles spawn out while it's near/inside the enemy and deals ~500+ damage
Yep
latent kettle
I love Beowulf shield, and yeah, zeus cast feels really really bad
unkempt pagoda
for boons and charon items, all dash attacks benefit from attack boons
waxen comet
I had the misfortune of getting the projectile rush for my prophecies with Zeus cast
river wing
o.o how many times can you hit hades with the main projectile if you spawn it in him.
unkempt pagoda
for bow, attack hammers affect dash strike
waxen comet
Worst feeling ever
Lightning hits near you but crystals spawn at the end of the rush
river wing
i guess i just didn't get it. i tried to use it as a projectile attack.
rather than pointblank
waxen comet
Yeah it's close range
undone anvil
so it does +50% max no matter how many casts I get stuck in an enemy
that's what it feels like anyway
waxen comet
Yeah
unkempt pagoda
you only need one embedded stone for boiling blood
waxen comet
You can test it on Skelly
undone anvil
I just stopped playing in the middle of a run and I'm too lazy to test lol
still vigil
Why is it all the yellow headed users seem to coincidentally experts?
Not that i mind
waxen comet
Probably just fans of the devs and therefore know a lot about their games
river wing
looking at chat history. seems people are liking blizzard shot with achilles, is that with stygian or infernal cast 🤔
still vigil
Two, which aspect is the best for spreading weak?
waxen comet
Probably Rama!Heartseeker if you don't mind focusing on your Attack for damage.
turbid needle
I'm new here but i just wanted to say that max extreme measures on the boss is the best thing i've experienced all week
waxen comet
Any Rail will also work very nicely
turbid needle
waxen comet
Extreme Measures 4 is a trip
Ever had him summon a Shadow Doomstone that turns your game into a slideshow?
turbid needle
Fighting all 3 furies and the disembodied hydra was cool but it's just so good
I pressed F and used a greater call and he just died phase 2
instantly
waxen comet
Deleting the Hydra's last phase is always satisfying
turbid needle
"You broke my chariot"
presses F
"you scoundrel"
waxen comet
Oh even better on Theseus yeah
gray shore
I love the "dialogue" that Zag has with the Hydra
turbid needle
I only needed 3 heat but i wanted to see extreme measures
split orbit
Same to all of that
Nothing is more satisfying to me than completely wrecking theseus...
turbid needle
I actually found it easier
since i can just punch him to death without needing to keep repositioning too much
split orbit
I keep dying to wonderboy so much with my chaos shield builds... finally killed him with a cast build using the ares cast and demeter duo
turbid needle
I mainly use the spear
but i also like the fists
i like the punch them so hard they die rather than actual strategy
waxen comet
OKAY THEN
I'm hitting Trippy Bursts for 713 damage on Tisiphone
gray shore
noice
waxen comet
Build still suffers a touch against groups but I have Heartbreak Flourish to help
Maybe I'll get charged throw
Ice Wine get, let's see how much damage this does
1k
gray shore
:D
waxen comet
Does having loaded Bloodstones count for Ravenous Will?
waxen comet
Wonderful.
waxen comet
Exactly why I asked
rare kayak
which reminds me of something i forgot to mention
pos attack actually isnt too bad on beowulf
knocks enemies into the cast at the end
small spade
WHY IS ||ASPECT OF LUCIFER|| SO FUN?
small spade
It's not the best but It's 100% the most fun
It's a ||lazer gun that shoots exploding sun bombs||
what's not to like
gray shore
how is it not that good
proven parcel
Um what
proven parcel
It's like the best weapon in game right now
waxen comet
+75% damage, 'nuff said
small spade
I just don't really like it what's wrong with that
gray shore
You not liking it != overrated
proven parcel
You not being a fan is kinda different than claiming it's not good
gray shore
overrated implies you think it's not very good
small spade
I said it's good
gray shore
"not that good" makes it sound like you think it's midtier strength
fyi I don't find Eris fun or engaging
I don't like it so I play hidden aspect gun now
but I still think it's S+ tier
small spade
I don't wanna argue dude Eris is good I said that I just don't really like it
waxen comet
Ye, nobody's taking issue with it being good or not, just your phrasing. Not that big of a deal anyway
gray shore
I'm not looking for an argument either. We basically have a discussion about GY in this very vein all of the time.
Someone comes in and expresses an opinion and phrases it in as an absolute
shrug
small spade
yeah I see that I'll try to phrase it better
waxen comet
Beowulf run complete
rare kayak
honedtly the only problem i have with gy is balancing lifesteal with health down
waxen comet
Back to Aspect of Zeus for Aegis.
rare kayak
if you removed both i think the weapon would be fine
gray shore
gratz man
yah I think GY is a pretty hard weapon to gauge its power
some high level players swear by it
others aren't convinced
waxen comet
I play on Switch, Guan Yu is basically exclusively carried by its Special
normals feel terrible to use because movement and aim are the same, so no strafing stabs like it seems to want you to use
rare kayak
its almost certainly one of the most contentious aspexts
waxen comet
I mean, you can strafe-stab, but at Fist range which is not the point of any Spear
rare kayak
they added the ability to dash between combo like excalibur though
proven parcel
Eh
rare kayak
which helps more than you think
waxen comet
Maybe, but Excal has broad sweeps to help
proven parcel
I'd rather abuse special for gy
waxen comet
Yep, likewise
rare kayak
gy special is definitely where its at though that thing is fun
waxen comet
Autoaim actually works properly at range for ranged attacks
gray shore
I think the high level GY players rn are all on controller
rare kayak
massive hitbox
gray shore
I'm KBM tho
rigid zodiac
which of the shields best to upgrade first? 🤔
coarse tendon
bad influence is all damage or just hangover damage?
waxen comet
Really, Glimmer? Huh.
waxen comet
All damage, Xinito
coarse tendon
aah sick thx
rare kayak
if it was only hangover it probably wouldnt be legendary tier lol
gray shore
lemme try to do 32 first then we can talk
waxen comet
@rigid zodiac I'm still new-ish but I'd argue Aspect of Zeus
gray shore
xD
waxen comet
That blitz disc base damage does a lot for it
rare kayak
aspect of zeus functions fine at level 1 though i feel because you can slap a zeus/dio/ares boon on it
gray shore
Zeus has slightly higher potential than Chaos imo
waxen comet
Chaos is also very good if you can make use of the multi-shield
gray shore
Chaos is ez mode but needs lots of levels
proven parcel
Chaos is just bullrush to captain america throw
rare kayak
i miss the days before zeus special nerf and chaos nerf
gray shore
tbf, as a 1.0 kid, I can only imagine how strong those shields were
waxen comet
Zeus Aegis with Lightning Flourish is a sight to behold
keen hazel
I honestly didn’t think I’d like the Zeus aspect as much as I do
proven parcel
Same
keen hazel
It’s definitely funky and a little different but it slaps
waxen comet
It's a little wonky but it's really good for piling on on-hit effects
rigid zodiac
zeus sounds sick because you pretty much get 'free' dps as long as its placed properly
proven parcel
Once you learn it
rigid zodiac
otherwise its useless
rigid zodiac
ill unlock it at least for science
waxen comet
Yeah, you need to be careful with your shield placement
waxen comet
Zeus' base damage increase mostly helps it until it gets a flat damage Special boon like Drunken or Lightning Flourish, or helps it with multiplicative boons
keen hazel
I’ll always use chaos too bc i play a prot pala in WoW so it’s a natural fit
waxen comet
Yeah it pierces enemies and hits multiple times but flies slowly
gray shore
I find it fun when I recall a shield
rigid zodiac
lmaaao running around i ncircles with the shield just DPSing everything for linfinity
veeery cool
gray shore
and all the chariots just run through my zeus shield as I kite
rigid zodiac
yeah this is siiiick
waxen comet
Yeah, and your Attack is still free to multitask or push enemies into the Blitz Disc
It's really cool
rigid zodiac
and my first run with it starts with Tempest Flourish 😄
lets gooo
knock away may be annoying though 🤔
waxen comet
That's actually not that great 
keen hazel
Poseidon attack to bully groups into your shield 
waxen comet
Yeah
rigid zodiac
possibly the worst in that case
proven parcel
Yea
Poseidon atk would've been better
On special tho it's not gonna be that good
rigid zodiac
ill go with poseidon dash and maybe sell it if i get the option ;x
waxen comet
Lightning Flourish is hilarious
gray shore
Poseidon attack to bully groups into your shield
@keen hazel The Shepherd build
keen hazel
Speaking of Poseidon though, Poseidon on Demeter aspect special for knock back hilarity
rigid zodiac
oh actually yes it has good aoe
keen hazel
With kinetic launcher
rigid zodiac
thats how i killed hades on my first gun run...
rigid zodiac
my build was soooooo bad, but i had posideon dash... and +3 dashes and some other dash abilities... i ended up dashing him to death lmao
keen hazel
It be like that sometimes
waxen comet
I do wonder why Passion Dash has nearly half the damage, and far less reach than Tidal Dash.
rigid zodiac
i made a mistake of saving 5 diamonds and buying that erebus thingy early on...
gray shore
Because the rest of Aphro's kit is pretty sick?
rigid zodiac
it requires heat 5 to enter at least... and im still going through heat 1 and 2 on most weapons ;x
waxen comet
It is! Weak's bloody useful
keen hazel
I think it could stand to have better range but the dmg is fine with the debuff
gray shore
I think they've given it some thought about what sort of identities the gods have
waxen comet
Yeah, it probably needs the same range as Tidal Dash imo
gray shore
Poseidon's flourish is really strong for example for damage
whereas his Strike is below average for damage
Aphro attack and Flourish are good, her support boons are good
keen hazel
I did an Arthur aphro build with bronze skin last night. 93% dr in my aura
gray shore
her call has utility
and all her weak synergises with her legendary and support boons pmuch
I think it's fine that her cast is kinda meh without investment
and her dash isn't really that good by itself
waxen comet
Smoldering Air is pretty funny with Aphrodite's Aid.
gray shore
If all of Aphro's priority boons were good
why wouldn't you just take Aphro every run
waxen comet
Yeah, my problem is that it's the worst Dash by far simply due to its horrid range
gray shore
yeah but say it was as good as divine dash, for the sake of argument
i think Aphro would be flat out broken
waxen comet
It's probably meant to be a halfway between Divine and Tidal Dash
rigid zodiac
divine flourish 🤔 worth?
lots of extra damage and it deflects attacks
sounds kinda sick
gray shore
@rigid zodiac depends on what you're building
divine flourish (or strike for that matter) can lead into two of the best duos
rigid zodiac
im using the crazy shield
waxen comet
It can work nicely with Aspect of Zeus if you upgraded its base attack
gray shore
Athena/Ares and Athena/Arty
waxen comet
Or just for deflect memes so you can watch the Witches implode.
That's always a laugh
gray shore
Bear in mind
that the devs have actively decided to nerf Aphro
her cast used to have blown kiss range
without blown kiss existing
waxen comet
Welp
gray shore
because her kit was just autotake
i think it can get quite unhealthy for a game like this when certain options become far too favoured
considering you have keepsakes to force them
waxen comet
Yeah, I'm aware. Played a few roguelite games that had that issue at some point
gray shore
think Hades would have less of an issue on overfavored gods
if they went more hardcore on the RNG
but I think people like that the RNG is very manipulable in this game
at least I do
proven parcel
I do like the fact every god has uses
waxen comet
Speaking of damage buffs, thoughts on Hades!Varatha?
proven parcel
And their isn't just one or two must takes
Besides divine dash if you aren't going for a specific build
gray shore
A lot of top players consider Hades to be good, possibly the best spear
the AOE increase to spin makes it actually useable
spinning with Zag spear doesn't feel anywhere near as good
definitely worth a try if the concept interests you
waxen comet
I'd say it's the best yeah
Better range and you get an astounding damage hike out of it
gray shore
I find Achilles omegafun tho
the teleporting mechanic is excellent
10/10 fun for me
waxen comet
Not a great fan of Achilles but maybe it's stronger for Cast builds
gray shore
it's definitely a cast weapon
more than attacj
since it's 4 attacks or casts
after teleport
you can do a lot more in 4 casts than 4 attacks on spear
keen hazel
The spears are my least fave but I do like the hades one over them all
Arthur aspect is best imo but that seems fairly unpopular
proven parcel
Nemesis and poseidon are my favs
waxen comet
Arthur has very clear downsides
proven parcel
But all 4 are pretty good
gray shore
I thought Arthur was considered very strong if awkward to use and learn
I think all 4 are viable
proven parcel
Arthur is prob the best one
keen hazel
Arthur only has one downside and lots of upside
proven parcel
But I'm not a huge fan of the slowness
waxen comet
I did a movespeed build with Zagreus Stygius once
keen hazel
If you get a Hermès attack speed boost it becomes super bonkers
gray shore
I think Arthur is generally considered the strongest at high heat as well
but, doesn't mean you can't clear high heat with all of thenm
royal helm
Anyone know if Hydraulic Might is multiplicative?
keen hazel
Yeah they all seem pretty good
gray shore
9/10 things are not multiplicative in this game
waxen comet
I was walking fast enough to make Dash look slow by the end.
gray shore
it's basically mostly crit
royal helm
Yea...
waxen comet
Most if not all boosts are additive, except crit, yeah
royal helm
Eris rail and Gilgamesh debuff?
waxen comet
Additive
gray shore
Eris is definitely additive
royal helm
Mmk
gray shore
They used to do multiplicative
keen hazel
Yea maim additive
gray shore
and then they were like damn this isn't good game design
keen hazel
Nah gilga is dumb strong already
Run ruthless reflex and you’ll dodge like everything
royal helm
Gilgamesh struggles against ... +100% damage 😂
gray shore
the thing is
royal helm
Maiming Hades so he deals 100 or 120 on high heat?
waxen comet
Maim's downside is pretty awful
gray shore
if you have lots of stuff in the game which is multiplicative
only the builds that abuse multiplicative would be viable
all the rest would be dog and take 10 years to kill
royal helm
Well... that's actually the problem with high heat, if you ask me
You just pointed it out
get Artemis
gray shore
I've seen non-Arty builds too
waxen comet
Artemis is mostly balanced out by crit chance being annoying to set up
With an exception for Aspect of Nemesis
keen hazel
It’s not terribly annoying. The cores give you such a high base chance
gray shore
besides, a lot of high heat stuff goes with TD3 and skimps on JS and CP
keen hazel
Pressure points is just icing
gray shore
so their base hp of the stuff you need to fight through
is basically the same
It's not like we're having runs of 63 heat
royal helm
Yea... I can't get out of Tartarus on Chaos in time with JS3 on and TD3 on... but 🤷♂️
royal helm
Well, I've gotten out a few times, but... it's definitely absurd
proven osprey
don't JS3
royal helm
Yeah, Elysium is probably impossible
Yes
I'll just rng thanatos on the last Elysium room 😏
waxen comet
The only other multiplier technically would be attack speed, and you're either using Zag!Stygius or getting lucky with a Swift Strike from Hermes
royal helm
I was like "wtf..." there was like 50-70 monster spawns in the last Elysium room when I got a lucky Than there
But maybe there is also some multiplier of monsters with Than rooms, dunno
gray shore
I also don't think Chaos shield's that good at just outputting raw dps and room clear speed
waxen comet
Any god recommendations for Lucy btw
gray shore
so you're giving yourself a hard time there
finite siren
can someone explain to me what concentrated volley does cause i feel like it sort of sucks
proven parcel
Yea
finite siren
yes but i dont know what it does like
proven parcel
Extra damage per consecutive hit
finite siren
ooh
gray shore
4th 34
keen hazel
It increases the base damage of each successive hit by an amount
finite siren
ooh okay that's kind of busted
waxen comet
Every hit on the same target deals +3 base damage
So you get 15+18+21+24+27+30 base damage on a Chiron volley
keen hazel
With a high % modifier it goes nuts
waxen comet
Instead of just 6x15
proven parcel
Relentless + concentrated are god tier
finite siren
but isn't relentless volley better ?
gray shore
why not get both?
finite siren
cause it's hard to get both idk
waxen comet
I'd say they're roughly even
keen hazel
Both is super good but concentrated is higher dps
gray shore
proven parcel
Yea
finite siren
comes down to rng
proven parcel
I'd say get at least one
royal helm
imma be honest... i saw the lowest heat on Chaos @ 43 so i was like... "Imma get 44 😏 "
waxen comet
Both synergise like mad though
finite siren
concentrated is higher dps ? okay noted
keen hazel
Yea the difference isn’t enough to fuss over but concentrated is slightly higher
Bc of the % scaling
gray shore
it's okay, I saw a poor frustrated guy come in
and call divine dash useless garbage
so at least you weren't that guy
proven parcel
Huh
waxen comet
I've been doling out 1400 damage volleys with Tempest Flourish and double Volley buff
proven parcel
Even my first time playing getting divine dash for the first time
I knew it was the best in slot
gray shore
I mean
waxen comet
Divine Dash is insane
waxen comet
Single best boon in the game overall if you ask me
gray shore
saying it was useless because dash strike didn't give iframe
royal helm
I don't generally aim to get Divine Dash... but I take it when offered
gray shore
so what's the point if you miss the deflect
royal helm
I think it's a tad overrated... but 🤷♂️ It is very good
proven parcel
Tbf almost every dash is good
royal helm
I want Hunter Dash if I'm on spear
waxen comet
Deflecting projectiles does so much for clearing enemies and staying alive
proven parcel
Just divine is at the top
royal helm
Every game Hunter Dash and Serrated Point or we babyrage
Game is broken if you don't get it
proven parcel
But other dash boons can be used. It's not like skip them and get exclusively dd
waxen comet
The only dash boon you actively skip is Passion
royal helm
I like Passion Dash... 😢
keen hazel
Divine dash goes with any build lol idc what else I got going on I will gladly take it
waxen comet
its lack of reach kills it for me
royal helm
They buffed it, this patch, I think? But it might be pretty tiny
But Fist... you're kind of always in there
keen hazel
I think passion dash is good in like a talos or Demeter aspect with Demeter fist build
gray shore
Everyone's too busy building ME
waxen comet
It sorta works for Fists but at that point take Tidal or Hunter
waxen comet
ME?
gray shore
Merciful end (Athena/Ares)
waxen comet
Ah
marsh pumice
Overhyped end
gray shore
I actually wonder what % of speedrun fists