#h1-builds-and-combat | Supergiant Games | Page 727

calm sandal Nov 7, 2020, 12:54 AM

#

But it doesn't go away until you crit

fossil compass Nov 7, 2020, 12:54 AM

#

damn, nowhere as good as I thought

calm sandal Nov 7, 2020, 12:55 AM

#

Its still amazing against 2-3 enemies if you switch your targeting

fossil compass Nov 7, 2020, 12:55 AM

#

I'm on chiron

calm sandal Nov 7, 2020, 12:55 AM

#

Its not amazing on chiron

unkempt pagoda Nov 7, 2020, 12:55 AM

#

oh lol

#

marked is better for something multi-target, or can easily switch targets

#

which is like, the complete opposite of chiron

fossil compass Nov 7, 2020, 12:56 AM

#

yeeep

#

shouldve taken support fire

#

what else uses marked well? arthur?

#

I don't play rama so that wouldn't work

unkempt pagoda Nov 7, 2020, 12:57 AM

#

arthur likes marked, yes

#

big wide swing can proc a target and hit the new marked target

livid aurora Nov 7, 2020, 12:58 AM

#

if i'm going for a hunting blades build w/ achilles spear, would it be best to start ares keepsake or artemis keepsake?

unkempt pagoda Nov 7, 2020, 12:59 AM

#

ares, probably

calm sandal Nov 7, 2020, 12:59 AM

#

Ares imo

cunning urchin Nov 7, 2020, 12:59 AM

#

Its not amazing on chiron
It is if you have Drunken Flourish.

calm sandal Nov 7, 2020, 1:00 AM

#

True, but thats something you have to build towards as opposed to it being generally good like with arthur

cunning urchin Nov 7, 2020, 1:01 AM

#

It's still pretty nice either way.

calm sandal Nov 7, 2020, 1:01 AM

#

First run with lucifer gun, got a level 8 heroic zeus attack, zeus legend, and epic support fire

#

Along with two attack focused hammers

cunning urchin Nov 7, 2020, 1:02 AM

#

lol you could have done the same build on Eris probably more effectively.

#

But that sounds pretty good.

calm sandal Nov 7, 2020, 1:03 AM

#

Yeah Eris is probably numerically better
But on the other hand
lazer

cunning urchin Nov 7, 2020, 1:03 AM

#

Lasers are nice.

#

Eris hearing about lasers, though. https://youtu.be/-FQDqFwlQug

YouTube

TheJoeygc

lasers!?

▶ Play video

unkempt pagoda Nov 7, 2020, 1:07 AM

#

the play is eris-boosting yourself in the courtyard and then switching to luci to laser down skelly

cunning urchin Nov 7, 2020, 1:07 AM

#

Does that work? lol

fossil compass Nov 7, 2020, 1:08 AM

#

I want to play lucifer, but I'm playing on switch :/

unkempt pagoda Nov 7, 2020, 1:08 AM

#

yeah lol

calm sandal Nov 7, 2020, 1:09 AM

#

Do you use lucifer much, person with "Igneus Eden User" in their name?

cunning urchin Nov 7, 2020, 1:10 AM

#

He's 100% of the Lucifer playerbase at high heat now.

unkempt pagoda Nov 7, 2020, 1:10 AM

#

i've been trying to grind high heat with it lately (well not lately, i haven't opened the game in a bit, but yeah)

cunning urchin Nov 7, 2020, 1:11 AM

#

All 1 out of 1.

unkempt pagoda Nov 7, 2020, 1:11 AM

#

i'm not particularly nerding out about the aspect, but someone's gotta to explore the possibilities with the luci changes lol

#

it's fun enough with divine flourish

calm sandal Nov 7, 2020, 1:12 AM

#

Wait does that work the way I think it does lol

unkempt pagoda Nov 7, 2020, 1:12 AM

#

yes

#

basically your best source of defense besides divine dash

fossil compass Nov 7, 2020, 1:13 AM

#

no way

#

every pulse deflects?

unkempt pagoda Nov 7, 2020, 1:13 AM

#

good enough damage too, if you get triple bomb/greater inferno

#

yes

fossil compass Nov 7, 2020, 1:13 AM

#

oh lord

#

I'll play it when the patch hits switch

potent kayak Nov 7, 2020, 1:31 AM

#

i dont use sword often

#

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/772587692856049674/774445782925180928/unknown.png

#

which one is good

unkempt pagoda Nov 7, 2020, 1:32 AM

#

aspect?

potent kayak Nov 7, 2020, 1:32 AM

#

zag

unkempt pagoda Nov 7, 2020, 1:32 AM

#

double edge, dash strike spam

potent kayak Nov 7, 2020, 1:33 AM

#

sounds goooood

#

thank u

unkempt pagoda Nov 7, 2020, 1:33 AM

#

👍

willow fossil Nov 7, 2020, 1:41 AM

#

imagine not taking cursed slash

#

bouldy

still vigil Nov 7, 2020, 1:48 AM

#

I got heroic hermes flourish on zeus with zeus and it melted things

#

That was an experience

fossil compass Nov 7, 2020, 1:48 AM

#

dash nova is actively ruining my poseidon runs, it's actually the worst hammer build

devout ether Nov 7, 2020, 1:54 AM

#

Hermes.... flourish?

still vigil Nov 7, 2020, 1:54 AM

#

Special speed

devout ether Nov 7, 2020, 1:54 AM

#

Ah right

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 2:04 AM

#

Weird way to say it

#

imagine not taking cursed slash
@willow fossil man why do we always seem to have polar opposite views

willow fossil Nov 7, 2020, 2:09 AM

#

bouldy

#

is that why are attracted to each other 😳

pliant anvil Nov 7, 2020, 2:13 AM

#

ew

#

cursed slash

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 2:15 AM

#

is that why are attracted to each other 😳
@willow fossil

calm sandal Nov 7, 2020, 2:17 AM

#

Is it worth starting Athena on luci or just go zeus?

potent kayak Nov 7, 2020, 2:32 AM

#

i have come to the conclusion

#

that i will never be good

#

with anything but rail or bow

#

feelsbad

dull karma Nov 7, 2020, 2:33 AM

#

Just unlocked ||Gilgamesh.|| And here i though ||Achiles|| could move!

potent kayak Nov 7, 2020, 2:43 AM

#

whats good with the last aspect of rail

#

which boons

#

would you recommend

devout ether Nov 7, 2020, 2:43 AM

#

Same as any other rail, really

potent kayak Nov 7, 2020, 2:44 AM

#

fair enough

#

i love the sound affects

silk hearth Nov 7, 2020, 2:52 AM

#

so whats the difference between em hades and hades

#

just fought him and i lost :((

#

i know he throws a spear and cerberus helps him now, not sure if theres anything else

#

though i took most of the dmg from his spins..

keen hazel Nov 7, 2020, 2:56 AM

#

He does a second spin instead of his normal first, he summons mini bosses in his first phase transitions instead of reg armored enemies and he has a third phase that’s phase 2 but dark

fossil bear Nov 7, 2020, 2:57 AM

#

I'm noticing that charge/spin attacks heal ~1 HP per kill?

stark ore Nov 7, 2020, 3:00 AM

#

The spin heals 1HP per hit, though you mainly wanna use Charged Skewer and Heartbreak Flourish

fossil bear Nov 7, 2020, 3:01 AM

#

Any particular reason?

#

I assume just DR for low HP?

crisp solstice Nov 7, 2020, 3:06 AM

#

What God do I go for with Chaos Shield? It just feels awkward

rare kayak Nov 7, 2020, 3:06 AM

#

double edge is probably one of the best sword hammers

#

just does fatty damage

fossil bear Nov 7, 2020, 3:07 AM

#

@crisp solstice I felt like Doom worked well?

#

I couldn't 100% figure out if the extra shields did or did not apply doom though

#

Artemis also did really well, using it like a shotgun into someone's back was clearing 800 damage on a crit

untold iris Nov 7, 2020, 3:26 AM

#

wait do deflected attacks (not projectiles) deal damage to the enemy?

#

because I always thought that they didnt

#

but apparently deflecting charon's swipe attacks deals 400 damage to him

devout ether Nov 7, 2020, 3:27 AM

#

Yeah, someone once mentioned they did

#

I never noticed though

untold iris Nov 7, 2020, 3:27 AM

#

its just very obvious in the charon fight because I'm still in tartarus

#

so my damage is really low

#

but every time I block his swipe I get a huge 400 on my screen

rare kayak Nov 7, 2020, 3:35 AM

#

how odd

#

i anvil'd into a dash super double nova

#

well my main build is call though

#

pos call + rip current + smoldering

near zealot Nov 7, 2020, 3:37 AM

#

@fossil bear The chaos shields do apply doom. They also add a bunch of stacks of doom If you use them on one enemy close enough and have that boon

gray shore Nov 7, 2020, 3:38 AM

#

Is every enemy attack deflectable for damage?

silk hearth Nov 7, 2020, 3:38 AM

#

i think so

rare kayak Nov 7, 2020, 3:39 AM

#

oh i forgot to mention

#

i had athena special

#

and hermes purple faster special

#

extremely odd

#

i spent the entire lasthalf of bar 2 just spamming special

willow fossil Nov 7, 2020, 3:41 AM

#

The chaos shields do apply doom. They also add a bunch of stacks of doom If you use them on one enemy close enough and have that boon
this is only useful if you have dire misfortune

fossil bear Nov 7, 2020, 4:14 AM

#

@near zealot Thanks for confirming. I couldn't quite tell - the chaos shields didn't have any effects on them, but I DID feel like I was dooming half the room.. just too much... chaos... to try and tell if it was from the extra shields or the original one bouncing

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 4:23 AM

#

Doom on chaos is eh

willow fossil Nov 7, 2020, 4:24 AM

#

Hi bouldy bouldy

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 4:24 AM

#

bouldy

#

Still not schleep

rotund ether Nov 7, 2020, 4:31 AM

#

and tips on how to build around demeter fists?

#

artemis special idk D:

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 4:31 AM

#

Let's pull up the ol build sheet xD

dark scarab Nov 7, 2020, 4:31 AM

#

In Asphodel, is there anything that influences if you get the barge of death? I've been getting it an absurd number of times the past two days. Running 9 heat.

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 4:32 AM

#

Demeter fist zeus attack and demeter(winter harvest) or
artemis special, maybe kinetic launcher|Aphrodite attack with legendary, artemis crit special, heart rend|ME

rotund ether Nov 7, 2020, 4:32 AM

#

perfect

#

cuz u please share that sheet? xD

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 4:32 AM

#

| means a different build
The first one is more for fun
The second one is better

#

In Asphodel, is there anything that influences if you get the barge of death? I've been getting it an absurd number of times the past two days. Running 9 heat.
@dark scarab Random

#

Welcome to hades

dark scarab Nov 7, 2020, 4:33 AM

#

stupid statistics! Thanks, will just plow through it

cursive marten Nov 7, 2020, 4:33 AM

#

@rotund ether I have an entirely different build for Demfists but it comes through for me.

rotund ether Nov 7, 2020, 4:34 AM

#

what do u have^?

cursive marten Nov 7, 2020, 4:34 AM

#

I put Dem attack on Demfists, so chill is applied with every hit.

#

Special is usually artemis crit like rollingstone said

#

I get the Artemis arrow thingy that shoots a homing arrow out with every hit (common on fists)

rotund ether Nov 7, 2020, 4:36 AM

#

nice, looks solid too

cursive marten Nov 7, 2020, 4:37 AM

#

and then I stack a ton of Dem boons

#

The % slower and decay is great

#

I also try to pick up the thing that after every 10 stacks of chill, the effect is cleared and does # damage

#

Meaning you'd have to reapply after every 10 hits but I find it worth it

#

I'm not usually set on a cast but I usually go Phalanx or Aphro cast

pliant anvil Nov 7, 2020, 4:38 AM

#

phalanx is best for melee

#

or rather, non cast builds

cursive marten Nov 7, 2020, 4:39 AM

#

I always pick up Athena dash.

pliant anvil Nov 7, 2020, 4:39 AM

#

it clears a path you can follow

#

even with athena dash, it's better than any other cast

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 4:39 AM

#

Imo artemis and dem are entirely seperate builds on dem fists

cursive marten Nov 7, 2020, 4:39 AM

#

@rotund ether Long Knuckle is a great daedelus option

#

I always get it on Demfists.

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 4:39 AM

#

Kind of feels like half a-ing both rather than commiting to one

#

Also I like long knuckle ok all fists except dem lol

#

But it's more of a controller thing ig

willow fossil Nov 7, 2020, 4:40 AM

#

Go to sleep boulder

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 4:41 AM

#

Cause you want to be close with dem fists and long knuckles really messed with auto aim on controller when close range

cursive marten Nov 7, 2020, 4:41 AM

#

I don't use controller so I don't have issues with LK on demfists.

#

pc master race

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 4:42 AM

#

Yeah as I said
Auto aim thing

willow fossil Nov 7, 2020, 4:42 AM

#

Ew

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 4:42 AM

#

I don't need hardware
I can actually make decent builds

#

bouldy

willow fossil Nov 7, 2020, 4:42 AM

#

Go to sleep boulder

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 4:42 AM

#

Bouldly never sleeps

#

Bouldys always there

willow fossil Nov 7, 2020, 4:42 AM

#

bouldy

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 4:42 AM

#

bouldy

gray shore Nov 7, 2020, 5:00 AM

#

Bouldy roll out

silk hearth Nov 7, 2020, 5:22 AM

#

so what are good duo boons if im using chiron?

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 5:22 AM

#

Why not just ask for builds? XD

silk hearth Nov 7, 2020, 5:22 AM

#

isnt that a build o.o

#

kinda

#

whats a good build for chiron

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 5:23 AM

#

Sry that was unnecessarily pedantic lol

#

Chiron Aphro/artemis special|demeter flourish with legendary|Dionysus flourish, ares and Aphro duo|doom attack with dire misfortune, impending doom

#

The legendary on demeter implies arctic and decay

#

Take duos according to the builds
So heart rend on crit f.e.

#

You can also just build for hangover with ares and aphrodite duo

silk hearth Nov 7, 2020, 5:25 AM

#

im a little confused

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 5:25 AM

#

Ask away

pliant anvil Nov 7, 2020, 5:25 AM

#

Aphro/Dio is good, artemis/Aphro is good, athena/artemis duos are good

silk hearth Nov 7, 2020, 5:25 AM

#

so aphro/artemis, demeter/who? dionysus/who? aphro/ares i guess?

#

not sure whos the second god ur referring to

half crater Nov 7, 2020, 5:26 AM

#

for dio you want dio special + aphro attack -> low tolerance

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 5:26 AM

#

Dio I already said after that

#

Ares and aphro duo

#

You take artemis flourish and aphro attack, maybe dash for weak spreading

half crater Nov 7, 2020, 5:26 AM

#

the demeter build mostly involves getting more demotic; specifically you’re looking for arctic blast

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 5:27 AM

#

Yeah as I said arctic blast and decay

half crater Nov 7, 2020, 5:27 AM

#

oh you did, sorry

#

i can’t read lol

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 5:27 AM

#

not sure whos the second god ur referring to
@silk hearth regarding to.

#

?

#

No worries xD
As you may have noticed
I can't either

silk hearth Nov 7, 2020, 5:28 AM

#

yea i dont understand this part

#

demeter flourish with legendary|Dionysus flourish, ares

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 5:29 AM

#

You build around chill and demeter's legendary
So you take her flourish, arctic blast and decay(which are the prereqs for her legendary) you can pair it with zeus and aphrodite and get zeus call just for smoldering air duo, extra dps yk

silk hearth Nov 7, 2020, 5:29 AM

#

oh

#

legendary no wonder

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 5:29 AM

#

Or just take Dionysus and poseidon for exclusive access

silk hearth Nov 7, 2020, 5:29 AM

#

thought it was duo my bad lol

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 5:30 AM

#

Also | means different build

silk hearth Nov 7, 2020, 5:30 AM

#

oki thanks

#

ill try it out

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 5:30 AM

#

I prolly had the most fun with the doom one

#

Also take pressure points on that one

#

Feels good getting a 1.1 k doom trigger

silk hearth Nov 7, 2020, 5:31 AM

#

hmm i dont really like hades

#

maybe its the way hes drawn

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 5:31 AM

#

Idk how far you're into the story

silk hearth Nov 7, 2020, 5:32 AM

#

also is fated authority or persuasion better?

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 5:32 AM

#

But You'll get to like him

silk hearth Nov 7, 2020, 5:32 AM

#

sorry

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 5:32 AM

#

Persuasion hands down

silk hearth Nov 7, 2020, 5:32 AM

#

i meant ares

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 5:32 AM

#

Authority is better for farming
Persuasion in general

#

Oh
I mean he's the god of war
That's unsympathetic by itself imo

silk hearth Nov 7, 2020, 5:33 AM

#

so do i use my persuasion to search for the legendary/duo

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 5:33 AM

#

To get the boons you want

#

Also get the key upgrade from the contractor

#

If you don't already have it

#

Gives you additional rolls on key pickup

silk hearth Nov 7, 2020, 5:34 AM

#

yea im gonna get it soon

#

out of diamonds rn cos i spent it on other stuff

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 5:34 AM

#

I'm also assuming you have the +10% legendary/duo enabled on mirror?

silk hearth Nov 7, 2020, 5:34 AM

#

yepp

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 5:34 AM

#

Also yk that you can't get duos in trial rooms?

silk hearth Nov 7, 2020, 5:34 AM

#

wait whats a trial room

#

oh

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 5:34 AM

#

The one with the two gods

silk hearth Nov 7, 2020, 5:35 AM

#

okay

#

thanks for the info

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 5:35 AM

#

Well now you know ig xD

#

I used to think more gods better but...

silk hearth Nov 7, 2020, 5:35 AM

#

haha it is better

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 5:38 AM

#

But I want duo :(

half crater Nov 7, 2020, 5:40 AM

#

i’ve ruined builds before by getting distracted trying to collect every possible duo combination of the gods i have

#

no regrets; duos are boss

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 5:40 AM

#

Couldn't agree more
I mean what beats curse of longing amirite?

#

bouldy

half crater Nov 7, 2020, 5:48 AM

#

agree

rapid rose Nov 7, 2020, 6:05 AM

#

What's a good special for eris? already have a zeus attack

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 6:06 AM

#

Anything that pairs with zeus

#

You could take poseidon or demeter for the duos (but you also need jolted for that)

half crater Nov 7, 2020, 6:12 AM

#

i usually go aphro (for smouldering air) or artemis (for support fire)

#

and they also both let me do a pile of damage with my special, so it’s win win

turbid needle Nov 7, 2020, 6:17 AM

#

Hi guys I'm trying to remember an upgrade but I can't find anything on the wiki -- what was the name of the one that increases attack speed but disables special?

half crater Nov 7, 2020, 6:17 AM

#

there isn’t an ability the game that does that

#

wait was this for spear?

turbid needle Nov 7, 2020, 6:18 AM

#

I was using a bow and it let me fire a bunch of arrows in a row instead of power shot

cunning urchin Nov 7, 2020, 6:18 AM

#

Maybe you're thinking of Flurry Jab for the spear?

turbid needle Nov 7, 2020, 6:18 AM

#

No, bow

cunning urchin Nov 7, 2020, 6:18 AM

#

Ah.

#

Flurry Shot.

turbid needle Nov 7, 2020, 6:18 AM

#

Thank you so much!

#

It's my favorite upgrade so far but it's a little rough trying to roll for it

silk hearth Nov 7, 2020, 6:23 AM

#

ahh i took low tolerance duo boon with aphro cast so i couldnt proc the weak

#

never taking her cast again

half crater Nov 7, 2020, 6:24 AM

#

aphro cast is... not my favourite cast lol

#

outside of two specific weapons

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 6:25 AM

#

Aphro is nice for close range

silk hearth Nov 7, 2020, 6:25 AM

#

the range is so short

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 6:25 AM

#

And beo and hera

silk hearth Nov 7, 2020, 6:25 AM

#

and i forgot that i needed weak for my duo boon so fml

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 6:25 AM

#

But hella damage

half crater Nov 7, 2020, 6:25 AM

#

And beo and hera
@primal hazel these would be the weapons

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 6:25 AM

#

Uh oh

half crater Nov 7, 2020, 6:26 AM

#

i remember when it had a stupid range

#

good times

#

it was my favourite cast back then

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 6:26 AM

#

Just get close

#

squirtnya

half crater Nov 7, 2020, 6:26 AM

#

i’m a coward tho

cunning urchin Nov 7, 2020, 6:26 AM

#

Shatter Shot is amazing.

#

squirtooh

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 6:28 AM

#

Shatter?

cunning urchin Nov 7, 2020, 6:29 AM

#

What Crush Shot was called before all the nerfs.

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 6:29 AM

#

Should've been the other way around ig

#

Name wise

cunning urchin Nov 7, 2020, 6:30 AM

#

Crush Shot is a better name.

#

Shatter Shot used to be 5 hits, so you'd have 5 chances to proc Unhealthy Fixation with it lol.

#

Also didn't have any of the hitbox issues that Crush Shot has had ever since they changed it.

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 6:31 AM

#

I mean cause it's called crush shot

#

But it doesn't crush anymore

cunning urchin Nov 7, 2020, 6:31 AM

#

It crushes your dreams.

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 6:32 AM

#

It shatters your dreams

#

Why don't they unnerf it a bit

#

squirtnya

half crater Nov 7, 2020, 6:32 AM

#

^^^^^

#

i’m genuinely not sure

cunning urchin Nov 7, 2020, 6:32 AM

#

They did unnerf it a bit lol.

half crater Nov 7, 2020, 6:32 AM

#

like, a bit

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 6:32 AM

#

Well that doesn't count

cunning urchin Nov 7, 2020, 6:32 AM

#

Crush Shot (Aphrodite): increased scaling from Poms

#

I think Pom scaling is back to normal now.

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 6:33 AM

#

I say gimme more

spare flare Nov 7, 2020, 6:33 AM

#

It's already pretty strong, assuming that you can deal with the range.

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 6:34 AM

#

Give me more

half crater Nov 7, 2020, 6:34 AM

#

for a lot of weapons, it means having zero ranged options

#

it count be a bit longer imo

spare flare Nov 7, 2020, 6:34 AM

#

True, so don't take it on them.

half crater Nov 7, 2020, 6:34 AM

#

i mean, ig

cunning urchin Nov 7, 2020, 6:34 AM

#

She has Blown Kiss now.

spare flare Nov 7, 2020, 6:34 AM

#

Or, you know, do, but only engage in melee combat.

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 6:35 AM

#

Bruh who plays at range

#

Pfft

cunning urchin Nov 7, 2020, 6:35 AM

#

It just bothers me I still see comments that it's buggy and misses when it shouldn't.

spare flare Nov 7, 2020, 6:35 AM

#

This is fair.

half crater Nov 7, 2020, 6:35 AM

#

i was running it hera the other day, and it seems to work fine there now at least

#

easiest 32 win i’ve ever got

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 6:35 AM

#

Just make it hit the whole room but deal 10 damage
Hitbox problem.solved

half crater Nov 7, 2020, 6:36 AM

#

“DC? lmao” the cast

cunning urchin Nov 7, 2020, 6:36 AM

#

Just the first part. Don't change the damage.

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 6:36 AM

#

I am somewhat of a game developer myself

half crater Nov 7, 2020, 6:36 AM

#

okay so this reminds me of a random idea i had a while back

#

when they buffed passion dash, they said something like “increased range, increased pol scaling” or something

#

and i read it as “pom scaling now increases range as well”

#

and like

#

what if that had been true

#

screenwide passion dash ftw

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 6:38 AM

#

Aka old chaos shield ig

cunning urchin Nov 7, 2020, 6:38 AM

#

I'd rather have better damage at Lv.1 than better pom scaling.

#

The AOE buff was necessary.

half crater Nov 7, 2020, 6:39 AM

#

agreed

#

but what if the aoe buff was... more

cunning urchin Nov 7, 2020, 6:39 AM

#

But Divine Dash is still an S+ tier boon at Lv.1 common, Tidal Dash does a ton of damage, and any other dash is just . . . I still ignore them because I'd rather have that slot open for Divine Dash.

#

Except for Hunter Dash on bow, I guess.

half crater Nov 7, 2020, 6:39 AM

#

exactly

#

just tryna think of ways to make passion dash equally cool

#

pipe dream ofc

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 6:40 AM

#

I like passion for speeding weak on heart rend

#

If I have my 4 slots filled already or am in elysium

silk hearth Nov 7, 2020, 6:42 AM

#

for the artemis dionysus duo boon is it better to put artemis on special and dion on attack if im using chiron?

cunning urchin Nov 7, 2020, 6:43 AM

#

Nah.

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 6:43 AM

#

If you're going crit use dio call

silk hearth Nov 7, 2020, 6:43 AM

#

dio call doesnt apply hangover

cunning urchin Nov 7, 2020, 6:43 AM

#

Drunken Flourish + Deadly Strike.

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 6:43 AM

#

It does

#

You're confusing with cast

silk hearth Nov 7, 2020, 6:43 AM

#

really?

#

oh '

cunning urchin Nov 7, 2020, 6:43 AM

#

Better yet, Heartbreak Strike, Drunken Flourish, True Shot.

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 6:43 AM

#

^

silk hearth Nov 7, 2020, 6:43 AM

#

oh

#

i wasnt sure which one is better

#

so aphro artemis is better

cunning urchin Nov 7, 2020, 6:44 AM

#

But I just start with Drunken Flourish and just pick up whichever I see first out of Heartbreak Strike or Deadly Strike.

silk hearth Nov 7, 2020, 6:44 AM

#

i see

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 6:45 AM

#

Heart rend is always nicer

silk hearth Nov 7, 2020, 6:45 AM

#

im liking deadly flourish a lot more now

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 6:45 AM

#

Dio duo can be used as supplement

cunning urchin Nov 7, 2020, 6:45 AM

#

Heart Rend is not always nicer. thanthink

#

Drunken Flourish is great.

silk hearth Nov 7, 2020, 6:46 AM

#

but i always go with athena dash first then look for my attack boons

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 6:46 AM

#

Focus on your build first

#

The earlier you slot a god the more chances you have of getting boons from them

silk hearth Nov 7, 2020, 6:47 AM

#

The earlier you slot a god the more chances you have of getting boons from them
oo didnt know that

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 6:47 AM

#

I figured it's logic lol

cunning urchin Nov 7, 2020, 6:47 AM

#

Divine Dash first is a solid strat if you're not hurting for damage for TD.

#

We do that a lot in high heat.

silk hearth Nov 7, 2020, 6:47 AM

#

ah

#

i like it cos i can attack enemies with my dash and take the chaos boons where i cant attack/special

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 6:47 AM

#

Like you don't get a higher chance but it's already predetermined to be in your pool then yk

silk hearth Nov 7, 2020, 6:48 AM

#

hmm

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 6:48 AM

#

So it can show up more often

silk hearth Nov 7, 2020, 6:48 AM

#

well i dont think i need too many artemis boons, i only need the flourish from her

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 6:48 AM

#

Clean kill, pressure points

#

Support fire is an option

#

Also her for her duos

silk hearth Nov 7, 2020, 6:49 AM

#

thats true...

spare flare Nov 7, 2020, 6:50 AM

#

Support Fire is bonkers.

silk hearth Nov 7, 2020, 6:51 AM

#

i dont think its as strong on chiron since u have to mark the enemy with ur attack first and ur attack deals less dmg than ur special

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 6:51 AM

#

What?

silk hearth Nov 7, 2020, 6:51 AM

#

isnt support fire the marking boon

pliant anvil Nov 7, 2020, 6:51 AM

#

no

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 6:51 AM

#

No

silk hearth Nov 7, 2020, 6:51 AM

#

hmm

pliant anvil Nov 7, 2020, 6:51 AM

#

it's the arrow one that fires when your attack/special hits or when you cast

silk hearth Nov 7, 2020, 6:51 AM

#

oh

#

thats nice

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 6:52 AM

#

Also with pressure point every bit can crit

pliant anvil Nov 7, 2020, 6:52 AM

#

you're thinking of hunter's mark

#

which marks enemies after a crit

silk hearth Nov 7, 2020, 6:52 AM

#

yea deadly flourish already has 20% crit so pressure point doesnt increase that by much

pliant anvil Nov 7, 2020, 6:52 AM

#

well, percentage wise as an increase, no, but crit chance is additive

spare flare Nov 7, 2020, 6:53 AM

#

It changes the move just as much as it changes any other move.

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 6:53 AM

#

Point is : universal crit

spare flare Nov 7, 2020, 6:54 AM

#

+4% crit chance is +4% chance to deal (3 + HR + CK) * damage.

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 6:54 AM

#

Yup

#

Everything can crit now

spare flare Nov 7, 2020, 6:54 AM

#

Whether there's a base chance or not doesn't matter unless the base chance is over 96%.

silk hearth Nov 7, 2020, 6:54 AM

#

the everything isnt too impt since ur special is ur main dmg

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 6:54 AM

#

It is

#

It's the chance for triple damage on everything

#

I'd call that impactful

spare flare Nov 7, 2020, 6:56 AM

#

The part that you're missing is that it still includes the special, but no, even though your special is your primary damage source, upgrading other factors, most significantly your call, is helpful.

#

I'd take Support Fire over Pressure Points for sure, to be clear.

#

It's just that I'd love to get both.

willow fossil Nov 7, 2020, 6:56 AM

#

https://imgur.com/a/BdkF9a1 Anything here that'd make my stone automatically drop from enemies making me a machine gun?

Imgur

pliant anvil Nov 7, 2020, 6:57 AM

#

pressure point is really good simply because it's a chance for a global multiplicative damage modifier.

spare flare Nov 7, 2020, 6:57 AM

#

I can't see your build, but one thing does that, Dio: the Hermes boon.

pliant anvil Nov 7, 2020, 6:57 AM

#

@willow fossil you mean like, automatically drop?

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 6:57 AM

#

I always take pp when I can

willow fossil Nov 7, 2020, 6:57 AM

#

yes, cast was doing dmg and going on the floor

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 6:57 AM

#

Hermes legendary

willow fossil Nov 7, 2020, 6:57 AM

#

i dont have it

pliant anvil Nov 7, 2020, 6:57 AM

#

I don't think so. The closest would be poseidon aspect and hermes legendary boon

#

what cast do you have?

willow fossil Nov 7, 2020, 6:58 AM

#

aphro

pliant anvil Nov 7, 2020, 6:58 AM

#

ahhhh

#

that's why

willow fossil Nov 7, 2020, 6:58 AM

#

?

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 6:58 AM

#

Look at the picture lol

pliant anvil Nov 7, 2020, 6:58 AM

#

it has a tendency to hit but not always lodge

willow fossil Nov 7, 2020, 6:58 AM

#

wow thats op

#

never noticed

#

i just smacked theseus like 20 times with it

pliant anvil Nov 7, 2020, 6:58 AM

#

I can't tell any of boons apart by image 😛

spare flare Nov 7, 2020, 6:58 AM

#

If you just think of it statistically, without Heart Rend or Clean Kill, every 1% of PP is an effective 2% damage buff, so the example of 4% is an 8% buff on all damage.

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 6:59 AM

#

Uh oh maths

#

Guess now I have a reason to sleep xD

pliant anvil Nov 7, 2020, 6:59 AM

#

I mean, crit is simple math though

spare flare Nov 7, 2020, 6:59 AM

#

With Heart Rend, every 1% is an effective 2.5% buff, so that's a 10% for 4%.

#

Yeah, crit math is basic algebra.

silk hearth Nov 7, 2020, 6:59 AM

#

hmm

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 6:59 AM

#

I mean, crit is simple math though
@pliant anvil in sry I'll mark it as a joke next time

pliant anvil Nov 7, 2020, 6:59 AM

#

jokes!?

#

in MY hades discord!

#

never!

silk hearth Nov 7, 2020, 7:00 AM

#

just realised urge to kill would be better than pressure points no?

spare flare Nov 7, 2020, 7:00 AM

#

On the interweb?!

placid topaz Nov 7, 2020, 7:00 AM

#

is crit 200% dmg or an additional 200% dmg?

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 7:00 AM

#

No

#

Hell no

pliant anvil Nov 7, 2020, 7:00 AM

#

WHO WOULD DO SUCH A THING

spare flare Nov 7, 2020, 7:00 AM

#

Additional.

pliant anvil Nov 7, 2020, 7:00 AM

#

@placid topaz it's a 3x multiplier

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 7:00 AM

#

Crit is 3x

willow fossil Nov 7, 2020, 7:00 AM

#

so 300%

placid topaz Nov 7, 2020, 7:00 AM

#

thats pretty good

pliant anvil Nov 7, 2020, 7:00 AM

#

it's really good yeah

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 7:00 AM

#

Guess crit math isnt that easy @pliant anvil

pliant anvil Nov 7, 2020, 7:00 AM

#

balanced out by generally low chances to proc

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 7:01 AM

#

bouldy

willow fossil Nov 7, 2020, 7:01 AM

#

low chances

#

haha

pliant anvil Nov 7, 2020, 7:01 AM

#

"low" yeah

spare flare Nov 7, 2020, 7:01 AM

#

To be clear, that's actually not the same as +200% for one reason: all of the +X% in this game are additive, whereas crits are multiplicative.

#

That's why Urge to Kill can't even pretend to compare.

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 7:01 AM

#

Also urge to kill is also only for one hit

pliant anvil Nov 7, 2020, 7:01 AM

#

or sweet surrender.

silk hearth Nov 7, 2020, 7:02 AM

#

With Heart Rend, every 1% is an effective 2.5% buff, so that's a 10% for 4%.
urge to kill gives +12%

pliant anvil Nov 7, 2020, 7:02 AM

#

Oh wait, I'm thinking of a different ares boon

silk hearth Nov 7, 2020, 7:02 AM

#

wait wat

#

hmm

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 7:02 AM

#

Isn't urge to kill the "200% damage for one hit after a kill"?

spare flare Nov 7, 2020, 7:02 AM

#

10% multiplicatively stacking.

silk hearth Nov 7, 2020, 7:02 AM

#

thats battle frenzy i think

#

yea missed that

spare flare Nov 7, 2020, 7:02 AM

#

No, that's Battle Frenzy.

pliant anvil Nov 7, 2020, 7:02 AM

#

battle frenzy is the "slay a foe" one

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 7:02 AM

#

Yeah urge to kill ist just additive

spare flare Nov 7, 2020, 7:03 AM

#

Urge to Kill is +X% Attack, Special, and Cast damage.

#

A) It does not apply to calls.
2) It's additive.

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 7:03 AM

#

Almost everything in hades is additive

pliant anvil Nov 7, 2020, 7:03 AM

#

yeah, and it's additive iirc. It's nice if you have an artemis boon, but not great

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 7:03 AM

#

Asides damage reduction and crit

spare flare Nov 7, 2020, 7:03 AM

#

Crit mods are additive with each other and multiplicative with all else.

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 7:04 AM

#

If the game forces ares on a non ares build I'm like "well guess I'll get a small damage boost"

#

Crit mods are additive with each other and multiplicative with all else.
@spare flare ofc

#

Haha necessary comment ikr

spare flare Nov 7, 2020, 7:05 AM

#

That is, Clean Kill's +X%, Heart Rend's +50%, and the base crit's 300% add together for your total crit coefficient. This total is multiplied by the sum of all other damage mods.

silk hearth Nov 7, 2020, 7:06 AM

#

yea

#

heart rend is +150 tho

#

so its quite high

pliant anvil Nov 7, 2020, 7:06 AM

#

it's still 50% on the switch :/

silk hearth Nov 7, 2020, 7:06 AM

#

what

#

is the wiki wrong

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 7:06 AM

#

Yep

pliant anvil Nov 7, 2020, 7:06 AM

#

switch hasn't updated yet sadly

split orbit Nov 7, 2020, 7:06 AM

#

What would be the best weapon and aspects for a cast build?

spare flare Nov 7, 2020, 7:06 AM

#

Oh, wow, did they buff it?

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 7:06 AM

#

Wiki is outdated

spare flare Nov 7, 2020, 7:06 AM

#

Cor blimey.

silk hearth Nov 7, 2020, 7:06 AM

#

that sucks

pliant anvil Nov 7, 2020, 7:06 AM

#

@split orbit achilles, poseidon, talos, hera, and beowulf

half crater Nov 7, 2020, 7:06 AM

#

pretty sure it’s 150 everywhere, but it was mistakenly written at 50 before

split orbit Nov 7, 2020, 7:06 AM

#

@pliant anvil thank you much

silk hearth Nov 7, 2020, 7:06 AM

#

o.o

pliant anvil Nov 7, 2020, 7:07 AM

#

np

half crater Nov 7, 2020, 7:07 AM

#

they didn’t buff it, they just fixed an error in the text

jovial harness Nov 7, 2020, 7:07 AM

#

Beowulf doesn't have a real cast build

split orbit Nov 7, 2020, 7:07 AM

#

How does Achilles help?

pliant anvil Nov 7, 2020, 7:07 AM

#

it increases cast and attack damage after you do it's spear rush

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 7:07 AM

#

Beowulf doesn't have a real cast build
@jovial harness bruh

pliant anvil Nov 7, 2020, 7:07 AM

#

I mean.... it's still cast based

split orbit Nov 7, 2020, 7:07 AM

#

Is that a hidden thing that the game doesn't tell you???

spare flare Nov 7, 2020, 7:08 AM

#

Best boons for cast builds . . . Ask @unkempt pagoda which he finds to be most consistent and most poweful.

pliant anvil Nov 7, 2020, 7:08 AM

#

no, achilles spear tells you

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 7:08 AM

#

You always with the weird opinions man

spare flare Nov 7, 2020, 7:08 AM

#

Trippy Shot in general is strong, but Tidal Shot with proper Posy synergy is busted.

jovial harness Nov 7, 2020, 7:08 AM

#

if it's not endless kiting gameplay with all the artemis boons it's not a cast build

half crater Nov 7, 2020, 7:09 AM

#

lol

spare flare Nov 7, 2020, 7:09 AM

#

Crush Shot, too, but again, whether you want it or not depends highly on whether you're using Beowulf/Hera or a more traditional way, namely Achilles, then Eris, then Talos, in terms of tiers.

jovial harness Nov 7, 2020, 7:09 AM

#

Oh and the hermes spam cast boon

spare flare Nov 7, 2020, 7:10 AM

#

Can I get a confirmation on Heart Rend?

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 7:10 AM

#

No

pliant anvil Nov 7, 2020, 7:10 AM

#

@split orbit is there a specific weapon you want to do a cast build on? Achilles/beowulf/hera tend to do slightly different cast builds

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 7:10 AM

#

There's also still hera

jovial harness Nov 7, 2020, 7:11 AM

#

Again, making your cast a melee attack is the worst thing u can do even if you're not going cast build

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 7:11 AM

#

Tf

#

If you're in melee range either way

jovial harness Nov 7, 2020, 7:11 AM

#

Crush shot is a direct nerf to your character

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 7:11 AM

#

It isn't

pliant anvil Nov 7, 2020, 7:11 AM

#

I think crush shot is bad on non-hera/beowulf personally

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 7:11 AM

#

Just because it doesn't fit your playstyle

pliant anvil Nov 7, 2020, 7:11 AM

#

because one of the strengths of casts are the range of them

#

but hera and beowulf cover that

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 7:12 AM

#

It's definitely not the best option

spare flare Nov 7, 2020, 7:12 AM

#

No . . . No . . . If you're using Hera or Beowulf, Aphro's cast is not only fine, but really strong.

jovial harness Nov 7, 2020, 7:12 AM

#

What are you supposed to do about flame wheels

pliant anvil Nov 7, 2020, 7:12 AM

#

yup, on hera and beowulf it's strong

jovial harness Nov 7, 2020, 7:12 AM

#

If you're not using shield and you have no rangr

spare flare Nov 7, 2020, 7:12 AM

#

Hunter's Flare is the meta Beowulf choice, I've been told.

pliant anvil Nov 7, 2020, 7:12 AM

#

I mean, beowulf and hera can still easily deal with flame wheels

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 7:12 AM

#

Shield throw
Ever heard of that?

#

No range on shield
Ok then

pliant anvil Nov 7, 2020, 7:12 AM

#

hera is still a bow, beowulf still has charge and shield toss

spare flare Nov 7, 2020, 7:12 AM

#

If you're not using shield? Literally every weapon has some ranged option.

jovial harness Nov 7, 2020, 7:13 AM

#

Never press q with shield good god

spare flare Nov 7, 2020, 7:13 AM

#

Stygius's special ends flame wheels.

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 7:13 AM

#

Or just block the flame wheels

jovial harness Nov 7, 2020, 7:13 AM

#

Worst move in the game

half crater Nov 7, 2020, 7:13 AM

#

Can I get a confirmation on Heart Rend?
@spare flare here is the patch notes update where they corrected the incorrect text:

#hades-patch-notes message

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 7:13 AM

#

Worst move in the game
@jovial harness are you dense?

spare flare Nov 7, 2020, 7:13 AM

#

Crush Shot is, actually, plenty large enough for them, too.

pliant anvil Nov 7, 2020, 7:13 AM

#

I feel like they're trolling

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 7:13 AM

#

Has to be

spare flare Nov 7, 2020, 7:13 AM

#

Thanks, @half crater!

silk hearth Nov 7, 2020, 7:14 AM

#

oh so heart rend is actually +150%?

pliant anvil Nov 7, 2020, 7:14 AM

#

good to know

split orbit Nov 7, 2020, 7:14 AM

#

@pliant anvil I have Achilles unlocked already so I'm gonna go with that one

jovial harness Nov 7, 2020, 7:14 AM

#

Really probably better to not use shield other than to get prophecies, it's a silly weapon

pliant anvil Nov 7, 2020, 7:14 AM

#

@split orbit in that case, I recommend trippy shot to start with

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 7:14 AM

#

Idk why you desperately want to trigger me

split orbit Nov 7, 2020, 7:14 AM

#

Shield is my favorite weapon...

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 7:14 AM

#

He's trolling

pliant anvil Nov 7, 2020, 7:14 AM

#

ares with hunting blades can also be good too though

split orbit Nov 7, 2020, 7:14 AM

#

Oh heard

pliant anvil Nov 7, 2020, 7:14 AM

#

@split orbit ignore their "advice"

jovial harness Nov 7, 2020, 7:15 AM

#

let me just sit and block in this game about dodging things, I also use shields in dark souls like a loser

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 7:15 AM

#

Guess we have to have someone toxic

pliant anvil Nov 7, 2020, 7:15 AM

#

^

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 7:15 AM

#

Huh?

#

I mean I get close sometimes but...

split orbit Nov 7, 2020, 7:16 AM

#

@pliant anvil does hermes have an item like dionysus and ares where the next boon is theirs?

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 7:16 AM

#

Nope

silk hearth Nov 7, 2020, 7:16 AM

#

no

half crater Nov 7, 2020, 7:16 AM

#

let me just sit and block in this game about dodging things, I also use shields in dark souls like a loser
okay i know this is trolling but i kinda wanna do a dashless shield run

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 7:16 AM

#

You'll always get hermes twice

split orbit Nov 7, 2020, 7:16 AM

#

Or is it the weird plume thing the only one

pliant anvil Nov 7, 2020, 7:16 AM

#

no, hermes is guaranteed to have two boons in a run though

#

it's the plume

silk hearth Nov 7, 2020, 7:16 AM

#

You'll always get hermes twice
like the hammer?

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 7:16 AM

#

Yep

pliant anvil Nov 7, 2020, 7:16 AM

#

yeah, like the hammer

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 7:16 AM

#

And you can get a third in final shop

split orbit Nov 7, 2020, 7:16 AM

#

Ooh, neat

silk hearth Nov 7, 2020, 7:16 AM

#

btw i skipped a hammer in the first two levels and i still got two hammers in elysium i think

pliant anvil Nov 7, 2020, 7:17 AM

#

the longer you skip a hammer, the harder it tries to force you to get a hammer

split orbit Nov 7, 2020, 7:17 AM

#

I think its just a "atleast 2" clause

#

So you can get more.

silk hearth Nov 7, 2020, 7:17 AM

#

dont think i have ever gotten three

jovial harness Nov 7, 2020, 7:17 AM

#

If you manage to get to hades with 0 hammers he should gain an attack where he throws hammers at u

split orbit Nov 7, 2020, 7:17 AM

#

I keep trying to find the "bull rush charge speed" hammer but to no... anvil

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 7:18 AM

#

...

pliant anvil Nov 7, 2020, 7:18 AM

#

Clap

split orbit Nov 7, 2020, 7:18 AM

#

I'll see myself out

half crater Nov 7, 2020, 7:18 AM

#

oh no

#

a pun

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 7:18 AM

#

A what?

pliant anvil Nov 7, 2020, 7:18 AM

#

alright, only one way to fix this

#

burn the server down

split orbit Nov 7, 2020, 7:18 AM

#

Yikes.... we have a censor bot

spare flare Nov 7, 2020, 7:18 AM

#

Okay, I remember now: I was already factoring Heart Rend correctly because I was told that it's really a 50% buff to the original 300% multiplier of crits, i.e. +150% multiplier.

split orbit Nov 7, 2020, 7:19 AM

#

Anywhom as I was saying

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 7:19 AM

#

in MY hades discord!
@pliant anvil .

cunning urchin Nov 7, 2020, 7:19 AM

#

Heart Rend text is accurate now.

half crater Nov 7, 2020, 7:19 AM

#

yeah i think that’s what they meant when they wrote +50%, but then they realised it’s completely inconsistent with everything else in this game

#

not for switch apparently

split orbit Nov 7, 2020, 7:19 AM

#

On a serious note the desire sensor is strong. In all my chaos shield runs never have i gotten a bull rush charge speed hammer upgrade

pliant anvil Nov 7, 2020, 7:20 AM

#

oof

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 7:20 AM

#

Not for switch no

#

But it doesn't change anything gameplay wise

pliant anvil Nov 7, 2020, 7:20 AM

#

yeah, it's supposed to be fixed when the patch gets released on the switch

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 7:20 AM

#

Although I'm still waiting for the lucifer and talos buffs to hit

spare flare Nov 7, 2020, 7:20 AM

#

@split orbit I know, right? Friggin' censorship in 2020.

split orbit Nov 7, 2020, 7:21 AM

#

I've had my perfect setup: ares atk, dio special, and hermes special speed... but never the bull rush upgrade (though I've had the 400% to armor and/or the 500% true charge)

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 7:21 AM

#

We're a cthonic server
No swearing

jovial harness Nov 7, 2020, 7:21 AM

#

Wait with what weapon

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 7:21 AM

#

Shield

split orbit Nov 7, 2020, 7:21 AM

#

@jovial harness aegis, chaos aspect

jovial harness Nov 7, 2020, 7:21 AM

#

Oh shield

spare flare Nov 7, 2020, 7:21 AM

#

Don't feed the troll.

split orbit Nov 7, 2020, 7:21 AM

#

Eh a trolls gotta eat

jovial harness Nov 7, 2020, 7:21 AM

#

No the shield is pretty good

#

I need to try chaos aspect with zeus special boon

turbid needle Nov 7, 2020, 7:22 AM

#

Doesn't it only trigger 1 lightning hit per special though

jovial harness Nov 7, 2020, 7:23 AM

#

A lot of the secret aspects seem to just be heavier with bigger hits

cunning urchin Nov 7, 2020, 7:23 AM

#

Once every 200 ms per enemy.

half crater Nov 7, 2020, 7:23 AM

#

^

#

it ends up still being fairly good tho

jovial harness Nov 7, 2020, 7:23 AM

#

Oh so zeus explicitly doesn't work I guess

half crater Nov 7, 2020, 7:23 AM

#

nah zeus is still alright

pliant anvil Nov 7, 2020, 7:23 AM

#

yeah, just like Chiron, it's not great vs a single target

half crater Nov 7, 2020, 7:23 AM

#

just not as good as you might think

spare flare Nov 7, 2020, 7:24 AM

#

Actually, trolls can live for hundreds of years without eating, assuming no interference by acid or fire.

pliant anvil Nov 7, 2020, 7:24 AM

#

on the zeus shield however it's pretty good

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 7:24 AM

#

It's good on both

jovial harness Nov 7, 2020, 7:24 AM

#

Well can you at least apply five stacks of ares on a target at once with the ares stacking boon

spare flare Nov 7, 2020, 7:24 AM

#

@cunning urchin Thunder Flourish only, aye?

#

No other Zeus boons have limits?

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 7:25 AM

#

No there's also an internal cooldown

pliant anvil Nov 7, 2020, 7:25 AM

#

it's any zeus lightning bolts iirc

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 7:25 AM

#

bouldy

#

They don't

pliant anvil Nov 7, 2020, 7:25 AM

#

but I think enemies close together can proc them and have them hit each other I think

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 7:25 AM

#

Only bolts

jovial harness Nov 7, 2020, 7:25 AM

#

I'm so mad

#

Might as well say each enemy can't be hit by more than one shield

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 7:26 AM

#

Well they can't be

spare flare Nov 7, 2020, 7:27 AM

#

How does the Double Strike boon affect that cooldown?

jovial harness Nov 7, 2020, 7:27 AM

#

Huh?

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 7:27 AM

#

It doesn't

#

A lightning can produce another

spare flare Nov 7, 2020, 7:27 AM

#

Okay, good.

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 7:27 AM

#

It's fixed to the individual lightnings

#

Isolated yk

spare flare Nov 7, 2020, 7:27 AM

#

As expected.

#

Thanks.

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 7:27 AM

#

Np

#

Huh?
@jovial harness Huh?

jovial harness Nov 7, 2020, 7:29 AM

#

Idk I just feel sad about chaos aspect if you can't abuse zeus or ares special with it

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 7:29 AM

#

zaglol

pliant anvil Nov 7, 2020, 7:30 AM

#

I'm fairly sure a single enemy can be hit by more than one shield, but it's been awhile since I've used chaos

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 7:30 AM

#

That the joke

pliant anvil Nov 7, 2020, 7:31 AM

#

in MY hades discord!
never!```

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 7:31 AM

#

Was waiting for that

jovial harness Nov 7, 2020, 7:31 AM

#

You can't hit with five lightning attack boon bonuses at a time or five stacks of ares

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 7:31 AM

#

You can stack ares lol

#

Logic

pliant anvil Nov 7, 2020, 7:31 AM

#

as long as you have dire misfortune...

jovial harness Nov 7, 2020, 7:32 AM

#

Yeah that's what I meant

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 7:32 AM

#

in MY hades discord!
never!```

@pliant anvil .

jovial harness Nov 7, 2020, 7:32 AM

#

I forgot the name of that boon

spare flare Nov 7, 2020, 7:32 AM

#

Dire Misfortune.

#

I'm helpful.

primal hazel Nov 7, 2020, 7:32 AM

#

Thanks friendly

pliant anvil Nov 7, 2020, 7:38 AM

#

I see how it is.

#

Bouldy doesn't believe in me.

half crater Nov 7, 2020, 7:42 AM

#

+2% ambiguity

willow fossil Nov 7, 2020, 7:44 AM

#

thats what yall get for calling it boulder

mellow quest Nov 7, 2020, 7:44 AM

#

+4% damage received from bouldy curse when

willow fossil Nov 7, 2020, 7:44 AM

#

uh

#

no thanks

#

gilgamesh already exists

half crater Nov 7, 2020, 7:44 AM

#

aspect of bouldy when

willow fossil Nov 7, 2020, 8:12 AM

#

bouldy

#

now we're speaking

mellow quest Nov 7, 2020, 8:16 AM

#

tfw you can't even outrun asterius charge with hyper sprint

#

thank you fo2

cunning urchin Nov 7, 2020, 8:18 AM

#

It be like that.

mellow quest Nov 7, 2020, 8:22 AM

#

I have epic rush delivery, epic greater haste, ichor and hyper sprint with the Sigil

#

gotta go relatively quickly

cunning urchin Nov 7, 2020, 8:23 AM

#

So you don't have Zag Sword.

mellow quest Nov 7, 2020, 8:27 AM

#

nah, it's chiron so i can actually make use of the bonus from rush delivery hyper sprint squirtdevious

rocky sage Nov 7, 2020, 8:29 AM

#

what works good with gilgamesh??

cunning urchin Nov 7, 2020, 8:29 AM

#

Heartbreak Strike or Deadly Strike.

stark ore Nov 7, 2020, 8:29 AM

#

ME mainly

rocky sage Nov 7, 2020, 8:29 AM

#

me?

mellow quest Nov 7, 2020, 8:29 AM

#

merciful end

stark ore Nov 7, 2020, 8:30 AM

#

Merciful End, just get Curse of Agony, Divine Flourish, and Divine Dash

#

Should be good to go once you get the duo

mellow quest Nov 7, 2020, 8:30 AM

#

but your damage will suck if you don't get the duo really early so it's just more consistent to use deadly or heartbreak strike.

stark ore Nov 7, 2020, 8:30 AM

#

^

rocky sage Nov 7, 2020, 8:31 AM

#

hmmmmm

#

ill see what goes

nocturne sky Nov 7, 2020, 8:54 AM

#

So... I've been trying to go with a single god throughout my last runs, with my Shield of the Chaos.

#

Ares is pretty good with his doom_inc

#

Any recommendationions?

spare flare Nov 7, 2020, 9:25 AM

#

Recommend what?

#

Any of them can work. With enough skill, any of them can even work at high Heat.

warm snow Nov 7, 2020, 9:36 AM

#

I feel that Zeus and Artermis boons are quite weak compared to other gods.

#

Anyone feels the same?

#

I only choose Artemis for Arthur or Cluster Bomb.

graceful knoll Nov 7, 2020, 9:39 AM

#

Depends on the weapon

#

Lucifer and zues

#

Is broken

#

And Artemis and chrion is broken as well one of the biggest damage dealing build

willow fossil Nov 7, 2020, 9:40 AM

#

everything is op in the right occasion

midnight scaffold Nov 7, 2020, 9:40 AM

#

zeus boons are pretty strong with chaos and lucifer

graceful knoll Nov 7, 2020, 9:40 AM

#

Idk i have like a build that's not that good but it's fun

#

Zues shiled with zuea boons

#

Zap shiled flying around

midnight scaffold Nov 7, 2020, 9:41 AM

#

have you tried zeus shield with ME?

#

rollingboulder told me about it, it's pretty fun

graceful knoll Nov 7, 2020, 9:42 AM

#

Sounds fun i haven't

#

Or maybe i have idk

#

I tried aloooot of stuff

warm snow Nov 7, 2020, 9:44 AM

#

Aspect of Zeus is fun, only if your enemies move slowly.

#

for those who move fast, not very effective

graceful knoll Nov 7, 2020, 9:48 AM

#

I had a good build eres with triple special and rockets with zues

#

Dealt a pretty good amount of dmg

midnight scaffold Nov 7, 2020, 10:01 AM

#

for chiron artemis special, would dio or aphro attack be better?

rotund ether Nov 7, 2020, 10:02 AM

#

dio attack

graceful knoll Nov 7, 2020, 10:03 AM

#

Artemis is my personal favourite

#

Biggest dmg

rotund ether Nov 7, 2020, 10:04 AM

#

pardon me

#

i meant dio special with aphro attack = gg

midnight scaffold Nov 7, 2020, 10:05 AM

#

that one is fun too, i was trying an artemis special build and had the option to either get dio or aphro, knowing both duos are ok

rotund ether Nov 7, 2020, 10:05 AM

#

for attack i would aphro tbh, better than dio

#

dio is cool on special imo

graceful knoll Nov 7, 2020, 10:06 AM

#

Yep

#

It's kimda hard to stack dio that quickly

rotund ether Nov 7, 2020, 10:06 AM

#

exactly

graceful knoll Nov 7, 2020, 10:06 AM

#

Aphro is the safe bet

warm snow Nov 7, 2020, 10:40 AM

#

I find that Triple Bomb and rocket is powerful, no matter what

#

I used to combine them with Artemis special, deal 1000+ dmg to Hades the boss

frank dew Nov 7, 2020, 10:40 AM

#

Cluster is where its at

warm snow Nov 7, 2020, 10:41 AM

#

I combined them with Demeter special, not ideal but kill Hades fast

#

they're strong, always

#

The fun - IMO, are Lucifer with Thunder Flourish - KA BOOM!

#

and Lucifer with Divine Flourish

#

computer foes just kill themselves

#

committing suicide

sweet fossil Nov 7, 2020, 10:44 AM

#

are ares/zeus/dionysus builds viable? I always find them zdps compare to rest

midnight scaffold Nov 7, 2020, 10:45 AM

#

yup

#

depends on the weapon

warm snow Nov 7, 2020, 10:45 AM

#

I often choose Ares, Dionysus

midnight scaffold Nov 7, 2020, 10:45 AM

#

have you unlocked all the weapons? @sweet fossil

warm snow Nov 7, 2020, 10:45 AM

#

I plan to max upgrade 24 aspects

#

running out of resources

#

spent 52 diamonds - from Charon shop and special offers

midnight scaffold Nov 7, 2020, 10:49 AM

#

wow that's a lot of cosmetics unlocked

sweet fossil Nov 7, 2020, 10:50 AM

#

well, sort off, missing couple last aspects

warm snow Nov 7, 2020, 10:51 AM

#

no

#

I trade diamonds for Ambrosia

#

then Titan Blood

#

can't max upgrade aspects now

#

running out of resources 😅

rotund ether Nov 7, 2020, 10:56 AM

#

i cant get the ||arthur aspect, nix dialogue just dont pop, already invested like 10 bloods on swords aspects||

#

want to try so many builds with it fml

midnight scaffold Nov 7, 2020, 10:57 AM

#

i think you need to talk to nyx more often and get through her dialogue

rotund ether Nov 7, 2020, 10:58 AM

#

i always do

#

she never have anything for me

midnight scaffold Nov 7, 2020, 10:58 AM

#

did you get gy yet

untold vortex Nov 7, 2020, 10:58 AM

#

have you unlocked 4th spear aspect?

rotund ether Nov 7, 2020, 10:59 AM

#

yeap

#

long ago

#

and i made at least 20 runs after that easily

midnight scaffold Nov 7, 2020, 10:59 AM

#

she should give you the aspect when you finish your current storyline with her i think

rotund ether Nov 7, 2020, 11:00 AM

#

you mean ||after her mom come home etc? ||

midnight scaffold Nov 7, 2020, 11:02 AM

#

i'm not sure

#

just talk to her more

silk hearth Nov 7, 2020, 11:02 AM

#

hmm im still losing to em hades :((

#

what are good calls to use? fought him recently and i didnt have a call so that might have been bad

midnight scaffold Nov 7, 2020, 11:03 AM

#

aphrodite is my favorite

silk hearth Nov 7, 2020, 11:03 AM

#

oh charm works on hades?

midnight scaffold Nov 7, 2020, 11:04 AM

#

yes but her greater call does 2.5k dmg

#

instantly

rotund ether Nov 7, 2020, 11:04 AM

#

idk i like so much artemis call

midnight scaffold Nov 7, 2020, 11:04 AM

#

charm works like an interrupt on hades

silk hearth Nov 7, 2020, 11:05 AM

#

i feel damage is better than interrupt

#

idk i like so much artemis call
for pure dmg i guess artemis is best

midnight scaffold Nov 7, 2020, 11:06 AM

#

2.5k instant damage is good damage

silk hearth Nov 7, 2020, 11:07 AM

#

yea i did the math

#

thats more than artemis i think

rotund ether Nov 7, 2020, 11:08 AM

#

man you already used|| hades|| call against himself? lmao

silk hearth Nov 7, 2020, 11:09 AM

#

wat o.o

#

he has a call?

rotund ether Nov 7, 2020, 11:09 AM

#

its a keepsake

#

its so hilarious

silk hearth Nov 7, 2020, 11:10 AM

#

oh

#

i dont hv his keepsake yet

rotund ether Nov 7, 2020, 11:10 AM

#

one time i used and he went "oh, shut up"

#

lmao

silk hearth Nov 7, 2020, 11:10 AM

#

hahaha

midnight scaffold Nov 7, 2020, 11:12 AM

#

you can also try athena's call, it gives a lot of immunity

silk hearth Nov 7, 2020, 11:24 AM

#

yea ive tried it too

#

in the end immunity is damage too haha, stand there and keep attacking

dry quiver Nov 7, 2020, 11:26 AM

#

Don’t overlook Ares call. May not be instant damage but, with invincibility, catch boss man in lasers with it and it stacks fast. And with his legendary stacks hard.

rotund ether Nov 7, 2020, 11:31 AM

#

idk i dont lise those invencibility etc calls

#

dead dont do dmg

#

kill as fast as possible and gg

restive patio Nov 7, 2020, 11:33 AM

#

||save it for the second phase||

#

||speaking of, I need tips for the second phase||

rotund ether Nov 7, 2020, 11:33 AM

#

nuke him

restive patio Nov 7, 2020, 11:34 AM

#

Not an option usually

rotund ether Nov 7, 2020, 11:34 AM

#

i really dont know what to say, just hide when he lasers and iframe the huge spear attack

#

and gg

#

when u learn the spear timing u are done

cunning urchin Nov 7, 2020, 11:34 AM

#

You don't need to hide from the beams.

rotund ether Nov 7, 2020, 11:34 AM

#

indeed

midnight scaffold Nov 7, 2020, 11:35 AM

#

there are pretty big windows in between his attacks

cunning urchin Nov 7, 2020, 11:35 AM

#

In phase 2 part 1, just get behind him when he shoots the beams.

rotund ether Nov 7, 2020, 11:35 AM

#

the major tip is learn to iframe the spear attack

restive patio Nov 7, 2020, 11:35 AM

#

I'm overwhelmed with all the skulls and extra enemies he calls out

rotund ether Nov 7, 2020, 11:35 AM

#

everything else is easy

restive patio Nov 7, 2020, 11:35 AM

#

Most of the time it's the skull explosions that end me

rotund ether Nov 7, 2020, 11:35 AM

#

with time you will learn to dash them

midnight scaffold Nov 7, 2020, 11:35 AM

#

you can dash through them

rotund ether Nov 7, 2020, 11:36 AM

#

i just ignored his enemies tbh, they die by splash dmg or just stay there yoloing

cunning urchin Nov 7, 2020, 11:36 AM

#

In phase 2 part 2, you can stand right on top of him when he does the 360 beams. You'll take no damage there.

restive patio Nov 7, 2020, 11:36 AM

#

I can't dash in the middle of a shield charge

#

shadegrief

rotund ether Nov 7, 2020, 11:36 AM

#

dont shield charge

#

shadesmile

restive patio Nov 7, 2020, 11:36 AM

#

That's where most of my damage comes from tho

midnight scaffold Nov 7, 2020, 11:37 AM

#

you can also block the shockwaves

#

from the skulls

rotund ether Nov 7, 2020, 11:37 AM

#

i dont say to u never shield charge him, but learn his timings

restive patio Nov 7, 2020, 11:38 AM

#

I shouldn't have wasted all my blood on different weapons shadegrief

Should have maxxed out my Chaos Shield instead

cunning urchin Nov 7, 2020, 11:40 AM

#

His attacks in phase 2 part 1 are skull cast x2 > thrust combo; swing x2 > spin combo; tri beams. In part 2, he gets dash x3 > spin; and the tri beams get replaced with 360 beams.

#

Those are what you need to look out for.

#

Make sure you destroy any skulls asap.

#

If it's taking too long, your build might be lacking DPS.

restive patio Nov 7, 2020, 11:42 AM

#

I'm just gonna keep on guaranteeing Dionysus and practice my shield plays

#

That Rage charge (or was it called bull charge?) with Faster Charging is quite good damage, and the dots I can apply using Chaos with Hangover is nice

#

I don't really get lucky with boons tho, sadly

#

Duo boons are few and far between

cunning urchin Nov 7, 2020, 11:44 AM

#

Bull Rush.

restive patio Nov 7, 2020, 11:44 AM

#

Bull Rush, yes

#

Timing is nice and intuitive

cunning urchin Nov 7, 2020, 11:45 AM

#

Dark Foresight, God's Legacy, and Fated Persuasion help a whole lot with getting Duo Boons.

restive patio Nov 7, 2020, 11:45 AM

#

I have only one rank in the last two of those

#

Quite the huge grind

frank dew Nov 7, 2020, 12:00 PM

#

it really goes faster if you manage a to finish the bounties on a weapon

#

that way you can grind darkness alot faster

proven osprey Nov 7, 2020, 12:24 PM

#

And you can unlock that sweet 25k darkness theme

restive patio Nov 7, 2020, 12:29 PM

#

I'll worry about beating the game for my first time for now, tyvm xD

fossil compass Nov 7, 2020, 12:31 PM

#

The chance of legendary and duo boon is 35% right?

#

Every re roll?

#

It feels so much lower

keen hazel Nov 7, 2020, 12:32 PM

#

I unlocked the chaos theme before finishing my mirror

#

dont @ me

proven osprey Nov 7, 2020, 12:32 PM

#

@keen hazel

spare flare Nov 7, 2020, 12:34 PM

#

@restive patio If you haven't beaten the game first, you're in the wrong channel. This one allows spoilers. You want #h1-for-new-players.

#

Really wish that we could get something to make that really obvious. I'unno', maybe a bot to say that to new players, rather than a censorship bot. Imagine that.

restive patio Nov 7, 2020, 12:35 PM

#

I know

proven osprey Nov 7, 2020, 12:36 PM

#

Well, if they can't read linkShrug

restive patio Nov 7, 2020, 12:37 PM

#

Look here, I'm not an idiot. I see "Hades builds and combat" and I think "oh this is where you get combat tips". That's what I call logic

keen hazel Nov 7, 2020, 12:37 PM

#

I mean, that's a fair assessment

restive patio Nov 7, 2020, 12:38 PM

#

I'm not a damn illiterate. Also I know most of the spoilers anyway

spare flare Nov 7, 2020, 1:05 PM

#

The "can't read comment was uncalled for, and yes, this does seem like a natural stopping point for new players just by the title alone . . .

#

I wouldn't have known that it wasn't safe coming in if not for already having formed the good habit of checking pins immediately.

#

I honestly think that a restructure is in order.

silk hearth Nov 7, 2020, 1:10 PM

#

Don’t overlook Ares call. May not be instant damage but, with invincibility, catch boss man in lasers with it and it stacks fast. And with his legendary stacks hard.
true just beat him with it lol

minor pumice Nov 7, 2020, 1:13 PM

#

Is there an easier way to get certain Gods boons to be legendary? I'm meeting all the codex requirements to get certain ones, but their Legendries just aren't showing up. I have the God Legacy mirror added to max and even have that God's particular keepsake attached, and yet, not real luck.

spare flare Nov 7, 2020, 1:15 PM

#

Confirmed: Things that increase a boon's rarity level, namely Refreshing Nectar, Yarn of Ariadne, a miniboss/Erebus chamber bonus, Styx shop rare boon bonus, and Chaos's Favor boons do boost duo boon rates.

#

^ This is true of legendaries.

west trail Nov 7, 2020, 1:49 PM

#

I was using the legendary mirror buff for ages and just didn't get any. I turned it off for one run, and ended up getting 5 lol

#

well, 2 legends, 3 duos

#

barely getting 1 with the legendary buff on

minor pumice Nov 7, 2020, 1:50 PM

#

Send some of that luck my way plz?

west trail Nov 7, 2020, 1:50 PM

#

First run with poseidon. It was such an op build

silk hearth Nov 7, 2020, 1:50 PM

#

soo im using aphro artemis duo boon, when i get the duo boon in the 2nd stage, what do i equip as my keepsake for the 3rd stage?

west trail Nov 7, 2020, 1:55 PM

#

Not sure about keepsakes myself either. I've been using pom blossom for free buffs when I'm not scared of dying. Lucky tooth if I've lost a DD going into styx. The acorn if I have full DD

silk hearth Nov 7, 2020, 2:04 PM

#

ah yea pom blossom is nice

#

problem is i have it at rank 1, maybe ill grind out some darkness while levelling it up

dusky nimbus Nov 7, 2020, 2:05 PM

#

u can use bone hourglass if the well has good items

#

or the coin purse if u want extra stuff? buy back a death defiance

silk hearth Nov 7, 2020, 2:07 PM

#

yea good ideas

#

might try it next time, but i dont really use consumable items from and i usually have enough money lol

rare kayak Nov 7, 2020, 2:11 PM

#

does anyone know

#

if ricochet fire trigger zeus attack when it ricochets

#

had an eris run where i took it for fun and ended up killing theseus before asterius somehow

#

even though i was only targetting asterius

rare grove Nov 7, 2020, 2:21 PM

#

Hey guys, question about a boon/Daedalus interaction

#

If you have the Cluster Bomb upgrade on the rail, does something like the “bolt of lightning with special” proc 5 times? Or is it just once?

spare flare Nov 7, 2020, 2:46 PM

#

Once per hit per enemy per 200ms. That's the full limitation of Thunder Flourish.

#

"The most standard setup is God > God > Coinpurse/Acorn > Acorn

#

@silk hearth @west trail

#

Deep Pockets is the obol talent that is taken for the early game steroid, allowing you to later take Chthonian Coin Purse, but you could also start with the purse and take Golden Touch. You lose some build consistency, thus deviating from the competitive meta, but you do end up with substantially more money, allowing you to buy much from the Styx shop. This is handy at low Heat.

surreal creek Nov 7, 2020, 3:02 PM

#

can someone help me with my mirror?

fossil compass Nov 7, 2020, 3:07 PM

#

is heart rend +50% or 150%? wiki and other screenshot says 150%, but mine says 50%

#

I'm on switch

midnight scaffold Nov 7, 2020, 3:10 PM

#

@surreal creek haelian has a good mirror guide if that's what you re looking for

kindred trout Nov 7, 2020, 3:16 PM

#

This is what someone in the hades modding discord told me about boon drops:
RareChance = 0.10,
EpicChance = 0.05,
LegendaryChance = 0.12,
ReplaceChance = 0.1,

If you are missing core boons, you will always be presented one core boon, which is rolled before the other two options (which are random on the full set of eligible boons).

Minibosses and styx boons have these rarity chances:
LegendaryChance = 0.1,
EpicChance = 0.25,
RareChance = 0.90

Hermes has these rarity chances:
RareChance = 0.06,
EpicChance = 0.03,
LegendaryChance = 0.01,
Also rarity is rolled from highest rarity to lowest. E.g. it will roll 12% chance for legendary and only if that fails it will move on to epic and so on

fossil compass Nov 7, 2020, 3:19 PM

#

this is per boon? so basically 0.36% chance of legendary on a 3 boon offering?

kindred trout Nov 7, 2020, 3:20 PM

#

This would imply that if you qualify for a legendary, and you have all your core boon slots full, you have about a 28% chance to be offered a legendary. If you're still missing a core boon, the chance would only be 20%

fossil compass Nov 7, 2020, 3:21 PM

#

why 28%?

kindred trout Nov 7, 2020, 3:22 PM

#

You can't actually just add up the three 12% chances. 36% is the expected number of legendaries to roll, but you could theoretically roll the legendary multiple times. Your chance of rolling the legendary at least once is 88%^3

#

Or about 32%

fossil compass Nov 7, 2020, 3:22 PM

#

ah makes sense, thanks

#

this makes the god's legacy 10% bonus more appealing

weary quarry Nov 7, 2020, 3:23 PM

#

what are the chances for chaos boons?

#

are there legendary chaos boons?

kindred trout Nov 7, 2020, 3:24 PM

#

Then I'm not sure what the "replace chance" line means, but I think it means the chance to be offered a replacement for an existing core boon, and based on the placement on the table, I assume you roll for replacements before you roll for legendaries. That reduces your chance by about 10% (relative) although not quite 10% because I believe you can only get 1 replacement.

#

Weirdly, these numbers imply that legendaries are actually slightly less likely to be offered from minibosses, which doesn't feel like it's right.

#

@weary quarry There is a Chaos legendary boon, it just requires any previous chaos boon, I don't know the chance but it feels very low.

wicked palm Nov 7, 2020, 3:30 PM

#

how do I not suck with guan yu

#

the -70% max hp and healing implies i'm getting something amazing in return but I don't know how to utilize it

surreal creek Nov 7, 2020, 3:35 PM

#

whats the optimal build for eris gun? zeus attack or ares? or a third version?

weary halo Nov 7, 2020, 3:42 PM

#

Is there a way to reset my titan blood upgrades if I accidentally wasted it?

half crater Nov 7, 2020, 3:44 PM

#

whats the optimal build for eris gun? zeus attack or ares? or a third version?
@surreal creek zeus mostly

midnight scaffold Nov 7, 2020, 3:44 PM

#

if you haven't left the courtyard, just quit the game @weary halo

#

if you just bought an upgrade and went straight out the window you can press give up

#

but if you entered the bedchambers or finished a run, no

weary halo Nov 7, 2020, 3:46 PM

#

Follow up question then: is the best way to grind for titan blood to try to carry ~1000 coin to the top floor?

kindred trout Nov 7, 2020, 3:46 PM

#

if you upgraded a weapon an then started a run without going back to your bedroom, you can "give up" the run to undo the upgrade

#

1200 for titan blood.

spare flare Nov 7, 2020, 3:48 PM

#

@fossil compass It's a 50% buff to the crit modifier's original 300%, therefore 150%. The crit modifier is 3 + HR + CK. The new text, as of a recent patch that has yet to hit the Switch, clarifies this.

midnight scaffold Nov 7, 2020, 3:50 PM

#

have you beaten the final boss yet @weary halo ?

weary halo Nov 7, 2020, 3:50 PM

#

Nope, only gotten 150% of his health

midnight scaffold Nov 7, 2020, 3:51 PM

#

then the only way to get tb is either through the wretched broker or charon shop

spare flare Nov 7, 2020, 3:52 PM

#

Thunder Strike is definitely optimal. Heartbreak Strike is a fine second. Doom Strike is garbage. Doom Flourish is excellent.

weary halo Nov 7, 2020, 3:52 PM

#

Do damage buffs stack additively or myltiplicatively? (Is +50% +50% = +100% or = +125%) ?

spare flare Nov 7, 2020, 3:53 PM

#

Damage talk:
Most things are additive.
Critical hits apply a multiplier. By default, it's 3.
Clean Kill is additive with the crit multiplier, e.g. +22% = a 3.22 factor.
Heart Rend is a 150% addition on the crit coefficient, so 4.5 by default, or 4.83 with the 22% Clean Kill example.
Hammer boons that affect charging functions are modifiers of base damage. Like all other forms of base damage adjustment, that makes them effectively multiplicative.
Things that say "bonus damage," of course, mean exactly that: They deal their own damage as an on-hit effect, so they don't scale with anything. Hoarding Slash is currently the only example, so it's way weak.
Additional attacks, such as Support Fire, Zeus boon bolts, or Ares doom effects, scale with effects that modify any kind of damage (like some keepsakes, Blood Frenzy, and Billowing Strength), not with things that affect their sources. A Chaos Flourish boon, for example, would affect your special's base damage, not the doom from Curse of Pain. (edited

#

Only unclear factor: I was told that Heart Rend's multiplier applies to Clean Kill, as shown above. Recently, it is said that it does not, that they are just additive with one another.

weary halo Nov 7, 2020, 3:53 PM

#

Cool, just like Warframe then

spare flare Nov 7, 2020, 3:55 PM

#

Perhaps @cunning urchin can verify one or the other.

gray shore Nov 7, 2020, 3:56 PM

#

ya people have to infer how things work via testing and playing, so, there's not an official channel from SGG to confirm these things

spare flare Nov 7, 2020, 3:56 PM

#

@wicked palm The special is really good.

#

Also, the debuff is only -50% if the aspect is fully upgraded.

wicked palm Nov 7, 2020, 3:57 PM

#

I see

#

I didn't realize serpent slash healed

spare flare Nov 7, 2020, 3:57 PM

#

Aye, I wish that the devs would deign to come down from their mountaintops to divulge the esoteric secrets of their programming once in a while . . .

#

Yes, and its healing is not affected by Lasting Consequences, someone said.

wicked palm Nov 7, 2020, 3:59 PM

#

oh, neat

spare flare Nov 7, 2020, 3:59 PM

#

At the very least, if you have your LC cranked up to a value lower than 4, it won't gimp the healing, as the 1 will be reduced to 0.25, but ceiling-rounded back up to 1.

gray shore Nov 7, 2020, 4:01 PM

#

I'm pretty sure my GY was still healing on LC4

spare flare Nov 7, 2020, 4:01 PM

#

Yeah, thought so. That and Cursed Slash.

gray shore Nov 7, 2020, 4:01 PM

#

mhm. These things would suck too much for high heat if they just didn't work on LC4

spare flare Nov 7, 2020, 4:02 PM

#

Someone said that the heal-on-special-kill Malphon hammer didn't work this way, but was standardized to be like those in a recent patch.

gray shore Nov 7, 2020, 4:03 PM

#

uh would have to confirm. Haven't picked up that hammer on LC4 yet

half crater Nov 7, 2020, 4:03 PM

#

GY and cursed slash both still work on LC4, draining cutter does not

#

apparently in the code the former two both technically do life steal, but the damage has a minimum and maximum of 1

#

which seems like an extremely convoluted way of doing things to me (a non programmer) but that means they bypass LC which only effects healing

spare flare Nov 7, 2020, 4:05 PM

#

Nice. Draining Cutter, then, is classic healing.

half crater Nov 7, 2020, 4:05 PM

#

*minimum and maximum of 2 in the case of cursed slash ofc

#

yeah its normal healing

gray shore Nov 7, 2020, 4:06 PM

#

I think it's fine that draining cutter isn't the same as the other two tho

#

cursed slash and GY have big downsides

#

that would make 0 healing just bleh

#

draining cutter only has the opportunity cost

half crater Nov 7, 2020, 4:07 PM

#

true

#

draining cutter doesn't really do much in my experience tho

spare flare Nov 7, 2020, 4:08 PM

#

I've gotten good returns on it.

#

Get some cheat hitboxes from the Elysium duo, then stay fully healed via mass extermination of rats.

gray shore Nov 7, 2020, 4:09 PM

#

draining cutter i think is a crutch

#

for when you're learning fists

#

otherwise it doesn't add... anything?

spare flare Nov 7, 2020, 4:09 PM

#

All healing is. Ideally, you never get hit.

#

Expand your standards enough, and Divine Dash is a crutch.

gray shore Nov 7, 2020, 4:10 PM

#

Divine Dash is a crutch

#

;)

#

a crutch I use often and willingly

wicked palm Nov 7, 2020, 4:10 PM

#

bronze skin is just turning god mode on a little bit

half crater Nov 7, 2020, 4:10 PM

#

yeah Divine Dash is a crutch for sure

spare flare Nov 7, 2020, 4:11 PM

#

Yeah, sign me up for disability.

half crater Nov 7, 2020, 4:11 PM

#

just because its a crutch the best players in the world use to do 56 heat clears doesn't make it not a crutch lol

midnight scaffold Nov 7, 2020, 4:11 PM

#

athena boons are just temporary hacks

gray shore Nov 7, 2020, 4:11 PM

#

my favourite thing

#

is getting DD with SD with Athena

half crater Nov 7, 2020, 4:12 PM

#

i forgot to lose my SD earlier today and she handed me both DD boons

#

like, she didn't have to rub it in like that

gray shore Nov 7, 2020, 4:13 PM

#

Technically second favourite. Divine Dash is obviously the first

west trail Nov 7, 2020, 4:38 PM

#

@spare flare Is it not good to choose a god for the third keepsake too? If you have family favourite? Or is it not worth diluting your boons?

spare flare Nov 7, 2020, 4:40 PM

#

You should have Family Favorite, but in Elysium, you're generally looking for duos, legendaries, and other things to support the boons from the 4 or 5 (not counting Hermes and Chaos) gods that you've encountered with more from them, not expand too much. Other things have more value.

#

Think of it this way: Do you want to give up an opportunity to expand the best of what you have just to be offered a trade that you don't want, a passive that would've been nice earlier but is not so good now, like Strong Drink, and another unimpressive passive?

#

Now, do you want to negate over 100 damage in the hardest fights in this region?

gray shore Nov 7, 2020, 4:44 PM

#

Family Favorite literally just gets there by itself, no keepsake required

#

The unconditionality of FF is what makes it a decent option

spare flare Nov 7, 2020, 4:45 PM

#

Now, remember that, if you went with a god keepsake, the first chamber rewards are totally going to be that god's and your second Daedelus Hammer, so it'll end up doing jack for you, anyway.

keen hazel Nov 7, 2020, 4:48 PM

#

It's not quite that cut and dry though. Ive had god keepsakes and gotten hammers in the first chamber and then not even seen a god boon for a room or two. More rng involved than that

gray shore Nov 7, 2020, 4:49 PM

#

Tbf I would still consider taking a god keepsake for act 3 if i'm aiming for a specific run defining duo boon (the % rarity increase from the keepsake is relevant), or if I desperately need Athena or whatever. I can imagine times when that's still correct

#

but there's more value to other keepsakes if you don't need a specific god next

half crater Nov 7, 2020, 4:50 PM

#

3rd god shouldn't be the default choice, but sometimes its alright

keen hazel Nov 7, 2020, 4:50 PM

#

I sometimes won't even do a keepsake for Asphodel if I've gotten a solid base going inside of tartarus

toxic rose Nov 7, 2020, 4:50 PM

#

U might still want to take artemis sometimes for the extra cast stones

#

If u are unlucky with chaos

#

Its a gamble at that point tho

#

And requires u to leave the 4th god slot open

half crater Nov 7, 2020, 4:51 PM

#

i've actually recently been playing with the idea that with SD it might be better to run athena in elysium (if you haven't used her keepsake yet) instead of acorn, because that extra DD will give you a decent defence boost against champions still but if you can keep it up it'll help you more later

gray shore Nov 7, 2020, 4:51 PM

#

And requires u to leave the 4th god slot open
@toxic rose what do you mean?

half crater Nov 7, 2020, 4:52 PM

#

whereas if you no hit champions with acorn, the acorn was just wasted

#

i think acorn is probably still better if you have any chance of dying before styx, but its something to think about

keen hazel Nov 7, 2020, 4:52 PM

#

I don't find champions difficult enough to warrant an acorn personally

#

Is a little chaotic but sound cues mitigate a lot of it

gray shore Nov 7, 2020, 4:59 PM

#

i'm actually really enjoying lucifer with flood shot

#

just make a row of mines and knock everybody through it

#

rofl

mellow quest Nov 7, 2020, 5:05 PM

#

The main reason acorn is a consideration for the heroes fight is em3 asterius with fo and hl. Those charges are just extremely dangerous

#

And 1 bomb aoe even without any hl does enormous amounts of damage

spare flare Nov 7, 2020, 5:05 PM

#

See, I thought that when I said "totally," it'd be pretty clear that I was using hyperbole as a rhetorical device.

kindred trout Nov 7, 2020, 5:06 PM

#

Tbf I would still consider taking a god keepsake for act 3 if i'm aiming for a specific run defining duo boon (the % rarity increase from the keepsake is relevant), or if I desperately need Athena or whatever. I can imagine times when that's still correct
@gray shore I don't think the %rarity from trinkets helps you find duos. You roll for duo/legendary, then roll for epic if that fails, then roll for rare. Extra rare chance doesn't apply until the third roll.

spare flare Nov 7, 2020, 5:06 PM

#

As in, no, I'm not seriously saying that the described circumstance is guaranteed. It is, however, likely.

gray shore Nov 7, 2020, 5:07 PM

#

@kindred trout I guess that I just feel that it is easier to hit that exclusive access or ME or whatever when using their relevant god keepsake. Have you got any evidence to backup your assertion? Thanks in advance