looks like I need 100 more hours
#h1-builds-and-combat
warm snow
pliant anvil
don't forget to upgrade companions and keepsakes too
red thunder
Some keepsakes are really good when upgraded. The Cosmic Egg and Pierced Butterfly have been particularly helpful for me.
pliant anvil
@cunning urchin for your hades aspect runs, what do you build? Artemis on attack/aphro on special and pick up heartrend? Reverse those two? Or something else entirely?
warm snow
I don't have a specific build but I have a few principles.
For fast attack/special, I choose cumulative effect boons like Demeter and Dionysus
For high damage, I choose Atermis (or maybe Aphrodite)
For defending I choose Athena's Divine Dash
and "never stop moving" principle
For example, I pair Drunken Strike with the Adamant Rail
I pair Frost Flourish with Heart-Seeking Bow + Aspect of Chiron
You may feel that Demeter's chill doesn't inflict damage. But if you watch slow-moving Asterius, you'll see it comes in handy.
Poseidon know-away effect is quite good for Malphon
standing near foes make you vulnerable and easy to take damage
if you knock them away, they have less chance to hit you
knocking them to walls,... cause bonus damage
For 1 hit like Guan Yu special throw, I choose Ares' Curse of Pain
turbid needle
I'm also going completionist route whale14
It's just fun and fuels my addiction to the game
cunning urchin
@pliant anvil "runs". In 1.0, I think I've used the aspect once at 41 lol. Just Arrowhead in Tartarus and Owl Pendant, I think.
Only used it like a couple times before 1.0, too.
pliant anvil
Ah ok I thought you had used it more =P
Either way, its effective and really depends more what hammers you get i guess for where the weak and the crit go
Or duo crit and crush shot i guess
cunning urchin
I don't think you should try too hard to get Heart Rend on it. Don't really need it.
pliant anvil
Eh I guess. It worked out well enough though
cunning urchin
I'd prioritize Deadly Reversal if anything.
pliant anvil
Hm that makes sense too
mellow quest
I wish the spear had more good hammers 
pliant anvil
More consistent damage over higher max damage
cunning urchin
But ultimately I would just start with the Arrowhead or Owl Pendant (for Divine Dash) and just roll with what you get.
mellow quest
triple jab makes me sad
cunning urchin
More consistent damage over higher max damage (edited
No, just because she has Divine Dash lol.
mellow quest
i wonder how high the "number of bloodstones from Hades deflected" counter would be on divine dash
cunning urchin
Probably 0 for me today, I'm getting hit by everything.
I just got hit by 3 spins in a row lol.
mellow quest
...still mildly better than 3 urns in a row?
rotund ether
im really surprised of how good chiron is
still new, just need a gauge 6 run with it
woven delta
I honestly thought Hera was the best bow aspect until I tried Chiron
mellow quest
All the bows are pretty good
rotund ether
same, i thought hera was best too
chiron is just broken
had a terrible luck at boons and still melt
get aphrodite atk and dio special gg
plucky harbor
hey guys, mildly quick question. What boon should I pair Aspect of guan yu with?
I don't have anything in mind ._.
opal lodge
you usually want to build around either special or dash strikes
with special the popular one is to just get heartbreak flourish and pom it, and special hammers like charged skewer
with dash strike serrated point is a good hammer to look for
opal lodge
so is it curse of agony divine flourish?
cunning urchin
That with ME and Divine Dash is probably the fastest you can get.
opal lodge
seems fun im doing it rn
cunning urchin
I think Heart Rend is more fun, though.
opal lodge
got serrated point and athena + ares in tartarus
cunning urchin
Well, that's on pace for sub 10 lol.
opal lodge
i took a trial so its over haha
tiny shore
What's a good build for aspect of nemesis?
opal lodge
could run heart rend + deadly reversal
by starting with artemis for attack
then getting athena special and passion dash which is actually not super bad now
some other people like aphrodite on attack and artemis on special or smth like that
basically you really like those three gods though and whoever else comes on the ride
nemesis has innate crit so it's not essential to get artemis attack but the extra crit never hurts
tiny shore
Sweet, thank you.
cunning urchin
It's not.
cunning urchin
¯_(ツ)_/¯
long mountain
just got beowulf
cunning urchin
Congrats.
long mountain
literally only missing gilgamesh
wet remnant
is crush shot supposed to not hit the full distance while in styx chambers? have had some encounters where the skill clips and stops right in front of me without hitting the mob
cunning urchin
Crush Shot has had hitbox issues from the beginning. F10 if something like that happens. 
They've patched it a few times. Guess it's still kinda buggy.
wet remnant
i see thanks!
rotund ether
any tips on how to make any rail ( btw what best rail? ) to work? i have no problem building around any other weapons
but rails...man
pliant anvil
Eris rail is considered the best, all you really need is zeus on attack
Hestia is pretty good too though
cunning urchin
Eris, Lightning Strike, Tidal Dash, Sea Storm.
pliant anvil
And I've seen some good luci runs too
cunning urchin
And just whatever t2 boons they offer + their legendaries.
rare kayak
dont forget splitting bolt
speaking of sea storm
does anyone know if it works with repulse shot
rotund ether
i got triple bomb with eris, is any good?
for dmg output? since i seem must people just doing dmg with attack itself not specials
rare kayak
i believe the one people hope for is rocket
since its got good base damage
and cluster
triple definitely wouldnt hurt your damage though
rotund ether
there is any boom of the hammer that i should look for buffing its attack?
rare kayak
the rail has some of the better hammers honestly
you cant really go wrong with any of them
except hazard
although you can aim that one now so im not so sure
also, the triple laser hammer icon shows six lasers coming out of the eyes, so sgg scammed us
rotund ether
thx so much xD
rare kayak
id say maybe concentrated fire, hazard bomb and potentially seeking fire are dead draws
spread shot is a dead draw if gotten late
thats about it
well its only a dead draw if you took zeus or dio attack
arty or aphro attack go well with it
also am i going crazy or has triple always been incompatible with cluster
i swear ive had a run with both before
rotund ether
if bombs were faster that would be way op
pliant anvil
Delta chamber is pretty good with eris rail too
rare kayak
@royal helm moving discussion here before mods appear but the reason why vengeful mood is a meme boon is basically needing to structure your run around it
pressure points is always useful
and support fire gives extra damage
arty special on eris is decent
royal helm
Eh ... I think Chaos tends to want both Zeus and Ares, if you ask me
Or one of them
Chaos shield*
rare kayak
its not bad if you can get it running but before that u have to devote ur run towards it
actually if you can get it running its pretty dang good
but you have to devote like 6 boon slots towards it
before it gets good
royal helm
Yeah, I've only ever seen it once in my runs and it was nutty
I think you can get it with just 3...
rare kayak
4
royal helm
A zeus thing, curse of vengeance, mood
But then you 100% want Impending Doom
Oh yeah, you're right, it does take 4
royal helm
I don't think so
rare kayak
on top
surreal creek
what weapon u recommend? i like fast clear speed. atm i have tried chaos shield with zeus lightning. might wanna try something else. i have a maxed chaos shield and a level 2 hera bow. no other aspects atm
rare kayak
eris aspect is speedrunner go to aspect
slap a zeus attack onto it
smack everyone in hell
royal helm
I'm pretty sure Curse of Vengeance has some of the highest base damage in the game, it's pretty ridiculous
It pommed up to like 350-370 in that run
rare kayak
grab a tidal dash and breaking wave onto it to clear styx asap
royal helm
With impending doom +100ish%
surreal creek
hmm. i dont really like the gun too much. but maybe i should try it? i just dont want to waste titans blood
rare kayak
it is but with impending doom it takes like seven seconds to kill
royal helm
Eris rail is one of the fastest weapons in the game... if you want to speedrun 🤷♂️
rare kayak
its not bad it just requires a lot of commitment
the duo i mean
eris also requires commitment but its also like probably the best aspect in the game
royal helm
Yea... requiring 4 boons to actually get the duo isn't ideal
surreal creek
dont wanna speedrun. i just like faster clear speed. might get it then. any specific mirror upgrades i wanna get?
long mountain
whats a good build for Beowulf?
rare kayak
if u want damage i guess whack privileged status/family favourite first
mmm i havent played beowult an awful lot because i didnt really like it when first added
but cant go wrong with a dionysus run
slap a festive fog on it
or go the alt path with charged flight and aphro special
long mountain
thats actually a shout
proven osprey
Yeah dio cast with stygius
rare kayak
shout?
long mountain
good call
rotund ether
flurry fire good in pair with zeus?
proven osprey
Not really
rotund ether
rocket better?
proven osprey
Then yeah it's really good
rotund ether
thx ❤️
long mountain
sudden charge with beowulf 😍
proven osprey
My pleasure 
rugged wave
build for zag shield?
fair wraith
Shield’s main issue is DPS, so I’d say going for boons that can deal a lot of damage for you
So you can focus on playing defensive with the weapon itself
A lightning build for example
frank dew
cluster bomb + rocket bomb is just the jackpot
unkempt scroll
Wooh! Just got heroic doom special lvl 3
In Tartarus :3
All that in Tartarus x)
royal helm
seems good
unkempt scroll
Well, there's probably more effective setups, but I like it
And I think I got a bit lucky there. I already did 600 dmg on the first boss x)
royal helm
Yea, one chiron shot should be 258*1.5
Well, that's just the doom damage... not even counting the arrows, so +80
unkempt scroll
And now with +30% special speed (I skipped 2 dashes for this, it better work XD)
unkempt scroll
Does the duo Ares/Aphro work well with the setup? 🤔
unkempt scroll
Lol... Hunter's Mark with 70% :o
😂
One second later and the final boss lost 50% hp
jagged roost
I almost tried every build anybody got any other fun builds? looking for sword or shield (chaos)
lmao i messed up like 3 times
rocky sage
okay boiz
i have 15 Titan blood
what am i buying from the spear
i saw achilles and gy are the the upper class of spears so hit me up
jagged roost
Id say achilles
dry ember
Hades is great
jagged roost
That too!
silk storm
Does "Nourished Soul" work on "Death's Defiance"?
jagged roost
you can clear a whole stage with one swipe
gray shore
@silk storm nope only Athena stuff affects DD
unkempt scroll
If I use Aspect of Demeter with crit chance, will each hit have a chance to crit, or how does it work?
mellow quest
yes, each hit is an individual chance to crit if you have any crit chance.
gray shore
@silk storm you're welcome
unkempt scroll
Okay
unkempt scroll
Sure... But, I'm just not entirely sure if it'd be worth the titan blood
mellow quest
demeter is a very strong aspect
dry ember
Demeter is the strongest fists.
unkempt scroll
I only have 14, and so far aspect of Zagreus works fine, IMO
cunning urchin
You can get all the bounties with Zag Aspect if that's your only concern.
unkempt scroll
Aw, dang. Needed 2 more titan blood to max it
cunning urchin
2 Titan Blood is just one clear.
unkempt scroll
Well, yes... but I kinda suck at the game :p
Though, I have managed to beat EM4, twice, without losing any DDs 🤔
cunning urchin
Half a clear if you're trading in Ambrosia for Titan Blood.
unkempt scroll
I'm not trading resources for others, at the moment
unkempt scroll
I prefer to max hearts and stuff
gray shore
you kinda have an excess of Ambrosia later
gray shore
yeah i mean
mellow quest
but a bit here and there isn't that bad
gray shore
not 100% of ambrosia but
unkempt scroll
I just got 20 from a prophecy. Used 10 of them, I intent to save some for some hearts
gray shore
don't let your lack of TB stop you from trying a new aspect
bearing in mind that fishing gives you a lot of metaresources over time
unkempt scroll
Sure. But they don't come that often :p
But I do like the gems I get from them
Then I won't have to look for them during runs :p
mellow quest
the run where you're forced to start with huge catch i had a fish in the majority of chambers
gray shore
ofc it's up to you how you spend your resources
I just noticed that I'm rocking ambrosia and have been since about 50 attempts in
mellow quest
that was cute
gray shore
and I swapped approx 20 for TB by now
cunning urchin
You'll be trading up a lot of Chthonic Keys for Diamonds and Ambrosia, too, because there's nothing else to do with them.
unkempt scroll
Is 30k a really low kill count over 85 runs?
next moss
(insert tisiphone murderer accusation)
unkempt scroll
Is Rush Kick worth using on aspect of Demeter?
fiery ginkgo
what's everyone's preferred shield aspect
gray shore
I like Chaos and Zeus
rustic sun
probably zeus and neptune
rustic sun
the water god mane
mellow quest
@unkempt scroll rush kick just doesn't feel very good and it has a tendancy to "slide" on targets when multi hitting on demeter sometimes so not every hit will land
rustic sun
i forgot his name
gray shore
Poseidon is a sword aspect no?
gray shore
Do you mean Beowulf
rustic sun
quite*
gray shore
Shield is Zag/Chaos/Zeus/Beowulf
gray shore
it's okay. there's a lot of aspects to remember ngl
rustic sun
i usually play with the shield
i like to spam the crap out of it on enemies lmfao
i just started playing hades anyway
so im new
imo if you hsve good ain the bow is op
minor pumice
So in regards to the Duo boons. Can you get more than one in a single escape attempt, or is it limited to one per run?
rustic sun
aphrodite is hot help
proven osprey
So in regards to the Duo boons. Can you get more than one in a single escape attempt, or is it limited to one per run?
@minor pumice More than one
hexed briar
im trying to best 16 heat, and ive been getting a lot of the wombo combos
like exit wounds + aspect of poseidon, or the athena ares duo build
something always seems to go wrong though
what's recommended for achilles spear?
fiery ginkgo
achilles spear likes crystal beams - gives them a huge damage boost
ditto trippy shot and hades cast
you get huge boosts on them, and you can spam them as soon as they are done
fiery ginkgo
it's a fun fight, but it is MUCH harder than regular hades
how often do you die to regular hades?
potent kayak
if im going for a high damage doom-crit build which one should i go for
ive got a few damage multipliers from chaos
for my attack
cunning urchin
Speedrunners tend to go with Electric Shot on Achilles Aspect and just put a lot of poms on it.
But you'd also want something good for Attack like Deadly Strike.
That's a good combo for high DPS, anyway, but there are lots of viable builds.
potent kayak
here the boons i got atm
some of them are kinda meh
just focusing on pure damage and doom damage from my attacks
cunning urchin
Should be a good starting point though, that doesn't rely on a Duo Boon or Legendary, so it's easy to set up and get going.
potent kayak
okay no worries ill keep that in mind thank you
cunning urchin
@potent kayak your Doom damage won't crit from Zag Aspect.
gray shore
We believe in you Bouldy!
cunning urchin
I like Chain Shot over Triple Shot, but they're both good picks.
potent kayak
thank you @gray shore and ah i didnt know that
silent talon
hey guys , i am trying out chaos shield , ive got it maxed .. but what's a good build with this weapon ? and which duos should i go for ?
potent kayak
ill probably go with chain then thank you @cunning urchin
hexed briar
i almost never die to regular hades
gray shore
We believe in you @potent kayak , as long as you believe in us
potent kayak
@gray shore as do i as do i 
now give me some of that sweet nectar 
gray shore
TAKE IT ALL
hexed briar
does achilles work with ares cast?
gray shore
I believe so
devout ether
It works with every cast, why wouldnt it?
hexed briar
i was thinking the bonus damage might only apply to the first couple times it hits
gray shore
I see. No I believe it applies to individual charges
you have 4 charges of achilles buff that gets applied to the respective attacks/casts
turbid needle
how do i play zag/nemesis sword ? the basic combo seems slow
gray shore
play ebb and flow. Look for openings to get damage in, dash away when they threaten you
rinse and repeat
devout ether
how do i play zag/nemesis sword ? the basic combo seems slow
@turbid needle Dash-attack should be your focus, get in and out quickly
gray shore
if you're taking loads of hits
devout ether
Spend rerolls for GR, it really boosts both your survivablity and damage output
gray shore
you need to reassess your playstyle
devout ether
AKA git gud
gray shore
woah no need for that attitude- wait okay yes ima go git gud now
turbid needle
play ebb and flow. Look for openings to get damage in, dash away when they threaten you
what's ebb ?
gray shore
uh sorry, I should consider not everyone is English native speaker
ebb and flow refers to the movement of waves, on beaches. A better non english way to put it is:
Find moments of calm to go in and attack
and when they attack back run away
Waiting for them to attack will put their attack on cooldown. That's a great time to attack yourself
silk storm
Does the "Privileged Status" damage boost apply to hangover and doom damage?
devout ether
I dont think so
silk storm
Thanks!
primal hazel
Yo any fun build for rama aside good ol crit?
radiant fulcrum
Nice profile pic
potent kayak
nice profile pics
proven osprey
More bouldy oh god
radiant fulcrum
My brothers
proven osprey
I am listening
potent kayak
what boons are good with apect of eris
primal hazel
Every boon
potent kayak
should i lean to attacks or special
potent kayak
my first time using this aspect lol
primal hazel
Cluster bomb
primal hazel
Basically shoot yourself, then delete rooms with zeus build
You can take Aphro flourish and maybe also zeus aid for smoldering
proven osprey
Zeus attack / Aphro or Arte special. Poseidon dash, get Zeus pose duo. Hammer : rocket bomb is good
potent kayak
okay nice
proven osprey
Shoot ennemies not yourself
primal hazel
could go all zeus special
@opal lodge doesn't rama special also cap cd?
proven osprey
Then go in
primal hazel
Shoot yourself and enemies
opal lodge
probably
proven osprey
8 seconds is a lot so don't spam special. Spam dash strike
primal hazel
Also never take hazard bomb
opal lodge
i took hazard bomb once and made pb pace in tartarus before sacrificing the run
its very funny
you can get the buff without getting stunned if you i-frame but its not worth the mental effort
it's also exclusive with rocket, which is probably one of the two best hammers on eris rn
potent kayak
💣
proven osprey
Yeah you can iframe Hazard bomb
I took it once
Nearly killed myself, now I don't pick it
Being consistent is hard
primal hazel
You could I frame hazard bomb
Or you could just be playing pre buff lucifer
hoary quest
jaunty plinth
hazard bomb was my first clear (last night). Huge dps
proven osprey
It's huge yeah
primal hazel
Well we aren't saying anything against hazard bomb
But take it with a weapon where you're game plan is hitting yourself with your special
potent kayak
okay no worries
if you damage yourself but have doom will that cause an infinite loop which would destroy the constrains of space and time?
primal hazel
We should know that
opal lodge
not being able to get rocket is also just really bad
silent talon
please help me out .. i am sooo struggling with stygian blade with nemesis aspect
primal hazel
Play Arthur
silent talon
i can't get passed the the third boss
primal hazel
Problem solved
silent talon
hmm , i am playing on EM3 tho
primal hazel
Nemesis: artemis attack, athena flourish, Aphro cast, dio call, heart rend, splitting headache (art+dio), deadly reversal(athena+art), double edge hammer
Double edge is important
opal lodge
could get passion dash unless you need athena
primal hazel
Yeah EM3 with nemesis sucks imo
One of the rare cases where it isn't easier
opal lodge
easier applications of weak
primal hazel
Or athena for athena
silent talon
i just can't get it to work , last try i had , artemis attack , aprho special , dio dash
and couldent make it work on the third boss
radiant fulcrum
I'm not deep in the Meta, but yeah, stacking crit chance and getting dash attack upgrades are the way I go. I try to get Ares on Special
silent talon
they have too much mobilty and i have to little sustain on them
opal lodge
not a fan of dio dash
primal hazel
I'm not deep in the Meta, but yeah, stacking crit chance and getting dash attack upgrades are the way I go. I try to get Ares on Special
@radiant fulcrum dont
silent talon
i wanted the dash so i could get priviliged status going
primal hazel
Or you just play ff
primal hazel
If the enemy isn't dead by the time you apply ps your build isn't doing enough damage
Jk it's nice on some builds obvs
Ares is just a wasted god In the build I suggested
He won't give you any crit increase
silent talon
i just have a hard way finding my way with the sword and shield
the bow and rail gun suit me verry well
i never tried the gloves tbh :p lol ,, and the spear i just leave for what it is .. i reallly do not like that one bit
primal hazel
Secret spear aspect is the only I vibe with
radiant fulcrum
This is my first day actually looking up stuff for Hades. I have about 15ish run completes. Do Artemis crit chances stack between boons? like Flourish+Strike = 35% overall or are they separate to themselves?
opal lodge
they are additive but only for that particular move when it comes to core
so flourish would not add to strike
but pressure points would add to both, as would splitting headache
primal hazel
Critical hits apply a multiplier. By default, it's 3.
Clean Kill is additive with the crit multiplier, e.g. +22% = a 3.22 factor.
Heart Rend is a multiplier on the crit coefficient, so 4.5 by default, or 4.83 with the 22% Clean Kill example.
Most things are additive. Percents do not scale off each other.
But the crit of every move is counted seperately
hearty elbow
Things that are multiplicative are explicitly described as "base"
silent talon
i have a 10 streak with the railgun but have a hard time finding my groove with close combat weapons XD
hearty elbow
@radiant fulcrum Lol, you kid, but it was soooooo much worse pre-1.0 when a lot of the tooltips were more generic, and it was a gigantic fight of "he said" "she said" and manual testing and reporting results
primal hazel
Bless 1.0
I only learned yesterday that dodge isn't reductive multiplicative anymore
silent talon
for rail i just go dio on att , aphro on special, cast artemis with support fire and crit change, dash from athena and call of athena .. GG when you get the duo for dio+aphro where you attack stacks
silent talon
i did that before
primal hazel
Well unless you're playing hestia ofc
silent talon
but i found that dio and aphro is more ''fun'' :p
i did zues runs before untill today where i tried dio+aphro and loved it
primal hazel
That's the important part
opal lodge
getting a bit into the weeds here but rush delivery is amazing on eris
primal hazel
Fun
opal lodge
an extra +50%-100% damage is big
primal hazel
Me go brrrr
silent talon
i like the hammer where you get 3 specials off real quick XD
that's such a dps bom
imma try yourt suggestion for the nemesis build
see if i can get passed the ''champion''
cunning urchin
Heart Rend is a multiplier on the crit
Heart Rend is additive, also. It's +150%. They changed the text from +50% to +150%, so it's accurate now.
radiant fulcrum
I'm glad I came in at 1.0, but Im sad I missed the community conjecture
primal hazel
Jesus they also changed that
radiant fulcrum
I only learned yesterday that dodge isn't reductive multiplicative anymore
@primal hazel If you dont mind breaking this down in layman?
opal lodge
dodge chances are additive
primal hazel
Dodge is additive now
opal lodge
so all you cumulative dodge chances
cunning urchin
It's not "now", it always was. We just had no clue lol.
hearty elbow
20% dodge + 20% dodge = 40% dodge, not 36%
primal hazel
Before it was (1-x)*(1-y) and so on
opal lodge
^
cunning urchin
Concensus was "damage reduction is multiplicative, so dodge is probably, too."
primal hazel
But it doesn't matter anymore lol
proven osprey
dodge build here I come
silent talon
what mirror upgrades to use with nemesis aspect instead of PS ?
hearty elbow
There is literally one other option lmao
dry ember
Lmao
primal hazel
silent talon
i know but what else to switch around as well x'D
primal hazel
We don't know your setup
hearty elbow
Oh, you meant in general. The phrasing on your question was odd
silent talon
maybe should've stated it in an other way
been up since 5 am xD
soz
not clear in my head atm :p just bashing thru in the game trying to make nemesis work
cunning urchin
Probably Stygian Soul, so you can just apply Boiling Blood whenever you need to without worrying about picking up bloodstones or whatever.
Bottom 5 I would set to green, but +50 HP makes sense over High Confidence if you're not that confident.
hearty elbow
Lol, High Confidence is a pretty easy thing to not take
If you aren't literally Highly Confident you will never get hit.
Nemesis is really good at getting hit though.
Top tier.
cunning urchin
You coulda just no-hit every chamber with Snap Nova easily. 
silent talon
i know i can clear every run with eris aspect on rail gun .. i know what build to take and how to play
turbid needle
im a new player in house of hades what should i level up first?
hearty elbow
im a new player in house of hades what should i level up first?
@turbid needle Greater Reflexes, Death Defiance
Then you can decide whether or not to use keys to unlock weapons vs. more mirror upgrades, but Thick Skin is a pretty important upgrade early on. Takes some doing to get to though.
silent talon
i would go for all the mirror upgrades first imo , because they provide the most value
it will make your runs a lot better/easier
primal hazel
Not unlocking all weapons=longer wait for aspects
Also unlocking weapons costs nearly no keys
hearty elbow
Lol, aspects are pretty meaningless without blood
And you're not exactly swimming in blood in the beginning
primal hazel
Sure just grind out the 50 keys or some you need instead of paying like 10 to have all weapons
fun
silent talon
what ive found in most games is if you go for the big investments first instead of spending the resources on the smaller upgrades it's more worth it in the long run
but that's just me
instead of spending the keys you need for the mirror, you're just making it so much longer untill you have the keys you need to upgrade the mirror
hearty elbow
Boiling Blood, Privileged Status/Family Favorites will probably give you a more significant damage boost than weapons will early on anyway
silent talon
you need to do it annyhow .. might as well save em up ?
pliant anvil
If you don't have the darkness to support unlocking the upgrades in the mirror though, it's somewhat pointless unlocking them ASAP
especially since weapons give you titan's blood, diamonds, and ambrosia
primal hazel
The thing is unlocking weapons doesn't take much and won't set you back in unlocking the "bigger upgrades"
I also tend to go for the bigger stuff
If it makes sense
hearty elbow
@turbid needle (tl;dr there's no "right" option, chase your bliss)
silent talon
that's what's so good on a single player game
hearty elbow
Err, I would say there's no right option once you've gotten Greater Reflexes and at least 1 or 2 Death Defiances.
silent talon
you can just easily chose youre own route , there's not really a best thing to go about all that
you just need to unlock all
ez pz xD hahah
stupid nemesis blade
even with artemis on attack an athena on special
getting really frustrated xD
final island
never cleared the game before... best aspect/boons combo?
silent talon
rail gun with eris , go with zues on attack and enjoy the game
final island
ive gotten to boss in elysium
radiant fulcrum
never cleared the game before... best aspect/boons combo?
@final island Personally I recommend testing yourself. Its more about what you prefer and then work from there.
primal hazel
And your playstyle
Also this channel is spoiler city
Idk if you care about getting spoilered
radiant fulcrum
Personally, I like Twin Fists of Malphon and building some version of on-hit with zeus. Or building Hermes dash with Rail built into special and Dionysus cast
final island
ive been trying the chiron bow with dionysus special and aphrodite duo boon
but i always feel like i do no dmg
and idk if its because im just getting every boon rather than leveling 2 gods or what
primal hazel
Also try to get the ares duo boon
Faster ticks
solid hazel
That was from like an hour ago... But he got the wrong answer haha...
Oh screw it I can't find his at anymore
final island
is dionysus ares duo better or dionysus aphrodite with aphrodite attack and dionysus special on chiron
silent talon
when i use chiron i take aphro on attack and dio on special
primal hazel
Get both
silent talon
you can also go with a doom build where you get ares his boon where you can stack doom
primal hazel
Also Aphro/dio is better for of than dio/ares
silent talon
hermes is complimentairy
primal hazel
Well you're bound to get 4 gods
silent talon
he doessent count towards the 4 gods
final island
best keepsake just to get dionysus first?
silent talon
use his keepsake ..
silent talon
i would do the keepsake of wich ever god i need most in the first part of the run yeh
primal hazel
Dio keepsake
Then keepsake of the god you don't get
Priority order Aphro, ares, athena
Then purse
Then acorn
final island
you mean switching after each area?
silent talon
spoiler city
get everything done from the contracter
there is a contract for some nice upgrade along your runs
final island
i have the one for switching keepsakes
primal hazel
Yeah as I said
If you want to live mostly spoiler free switch to #h1-for-new-players
silent talon
i really learned alot here tbh
just reading
after playing for a month i figured the bow and rail gun out ,, had a 10 streak , can clear hades in 15 minutes and have a 10 heat run just from tips and tricks i saw here
yet again .. stupid nemesis blade lkjqsdhfqdsflmqjdsfqsd
primal hazel
Yeah I don't like the feel of nemesis either
Rama with artemis, explosive Shot in twin shot
Never shot so slow
But 1 shot machine
silent talon
what aspect would you sudgest for blade ?
the secret one ?
don't even got it unlocked , thought that 5 blood would make nemesis good but nope
primal hazel
Secret or poseidon
final island
is +4 special shots or +3 base dmg on special per consecutive hit better on chiron bow dionysus
primal hazel
Nemesis is only really worth it fully upgraded imo
silent talon
+4 shots
primal hazel
Base dmg is technically more damage
silent talon
i have it fully upgraded but still hard AF
silent talon
ooooh , those two combined is gg
i had runs where i had those two hammers combined .. that's just sick dps
solid hazel
I hate nemesis... I just don't think it's particularly safe or easy play style
silent talon
what boons to prioritize when playing secret aspect on blade ?
solid hazel
Aphro or Artemis attack is most dps probably... I like Athena attack for safety and easy projectile deflect
But you pretty much build around those three regardless going for deadly reversal and heart rend
primal hazel
Regular ol crit build
solid hazel
It's base damage is so high that almost no other builds make sense
primal hazel
Or you go full anime and baseball slap slowed projectiles
silent talon
so it's basically the same build you gave me for nemesis ?
solid hazel
Yup haha
silent talon
i wonder what's so different with arthur
solid hazel
Although nemesis should be aphro attack always... Never arty
primal hazel
Crit is like ME
Fits on most
solid hazel
And nemesis you can choose between Hunter dash and divine dash, whereas Arthur dash attack is subpar
primal hazel
Arthur=bigger damage but less crits
solid hazel
Different hammers for sure between them too
Nemesis only hammer that makes or breaks is double edged.... Arthur doesn't have any choice as strong, but you focus on the attack ones instead
Or the one that makes aura bigger is quite nice too
So gods are the same... But there's pretty big differences in boons and hammera
primal hazel
Arthur is nice without hammers
Nemesis is is less slow but relies on hammer yeh
turbid needle
I LOVE the shield
potent kayak
So just did a run
and had seeking fire and hazard bomb
hazard bomb is op
and so fun
final island
aphrodite legendary or aphrodite/dionysus duo boon
primal hazel
-op-
final island
.-.
primal hazel
On your build? Duo
potent kayak
well its good
primal hazel
Since you're trying to build hangover
potent kayak
is sea storm duo good?
primal hazel
Don't worry the legendary can show up again
pliant anvil
@potent kayak yes, but how good it is depends on your boons though.
Usually the best thing to proc it is tidal dash
potent kayak
okay thank you
final island
holy perfect run so far
primal hazel
Don't curse it
final island
wait doing only two-three gods is so much better than just taking them all
vernal fog
Would the community be interested in an online build generator? Something where you can check how much damage each boon combination does
Currently I'm working on a web app for recommended builds, but after that I might work on a build generator app
silent talon
would be nice to check and see
silent talon
noice
devout ether
i just beat hydra taking 0 dmg
@final island Amazing skills dodging all that lava
vernal fog
it's the projectiles from the sky that get me at least once every run haha
I feel dirty when I take athena dash
especially combined with that sturdy dash from hermes
primal hazel
Wins a wins a win
final island
i have an insane amount of aphro boons, dionysus special, dionysus call, duo boon between them, and athena dash
what keepsake should i put on going into elysium?
vernal fog
the one that shields you from bosses
final island
i dont have it i dont think
vernal fog
it's my go-to boon for Elysium and Labyrinth
primal hazel
Acorn
vernal fog
oh, sorry for spoiling a keepsake
final island
yeah i dont have acorn yet
no dont worry ive been looking at wiki
i have cerb collar maxed, skelly lvl 1
purse, ares
final island
i still have my first death defy
solid hazel
Purse probably... Free gold
final island
but purse is only lvl 1 so itll be 100
solid hazel
But it doesn't sound like you need any of the other stuff
vernal fog
Yeah but then again maybe skelly helps out more if Theseus cheeses Death Defied out of you
solid hazel
Unless you worried about dying
final island
i dont have acorn
primal hazel
Acorn is more effective hp than tooth
final island
bc i cant get eurydice to show up so i can give her nectar
solid hazel
Skelly is noob trap... Cerberus almost always better, but they both kinda mediocre once your not dying much
solid hazel
Well actually if you only have one dd... Skelly might be better
vernal fog
Which is why Skelly is ok if Acorn is unavailable
final island
have not gotten any containers this run
solid hazel
Haha sorry I'm biased from playing with usually 3 dd
vernal fog
I'm a dumbass who realized that I can have more than 1 death defied only after 30 runs
legit didn't notice it in the mirror
cunning urchin
Spiked Collar is better relative to Lucky Tooth the more DDs you still have.
final island
i have 1 dd
but ig go for skelly because ive never beat minotaur fight before?
and im going into elysium
cunning urchin
With 1 DD, the Lucky Tooth would give you more eHP than the Collar.
solid hazel
Ywah I think is same hp at 2 dd
final island
so ig collar?
cunning urchin
Oh, your keepsakes aren't max level.
final island
my collar is and skelly isnt
solid hazel
Also assuming same level
final island
so theyre even in ehp
solid hazel
Collar is probably better then
If they give same hp, collar also benefits a bit from fountains
cunning urchin
I'd take the Lucky Tooth anyway so you can get some levels on it.
devout ether
Collar is better the more fountains you take
solid hazel
Skelly benefits from a couple random boons that aren't usually top tier picks
final island
but ive never beat game b4 and this is really good run so far
devout ether
THough if you've never beaten heroes, just keep playing with whatever
final island
.-.
primal hazel
I'd rather have keepsakes that actually progress my run
devout ether
Skill will get you further than any keepsake
cunning urchin
I'd prioritize permanent upgrades for now. Maxing out your keepsakes will help a whole lot in the long run.
final island
is it better to target thesius or minotaur if im doing chiron dionysus/aphrodite DOT build
or does it literally not matter
silent talon
that is true , but if you don't know when to use sertain keepsakes you will never learn how to shape your run for a win condition
solid hazel
Well for achievements... But generally I dunno if maxing skelly is gonna help out much in the long run
silent talon
if you are not playing on heat
devout ether
I find it easier to always go for Asterius first
final island
ok imma do collar
silent talon
on no heat runs i find the bull more annoying
primal hazel
I always focus asterius
On EM3 because he's more annoying
Without because he's less annoying
Ambiguity bonus
open heron
what are some good aspect of poseidon builds
silent talon
if you get a stupid chiron or eris build you just melt them easy enough
cunning urchin
You're faster if you focus on Theseus primarily, making sure you also keep hitting Asterius.
open heron
on sword
final island
ooh heart container or daedelus
cunning urchin
Focusing on Asterius first is easier, though.
primal hazel
Daed
silent talon
hammer is allways good ..
solid hazel
What's your max hp?
cunning urchin
@open heron Electric Shot is really good and simple.
silent talon
just don't pick annything that slows down your shots --'
i allways aim for around 200hp .. but that's me , that's how i feel most comfortable
final island
chain shot twin shot perfect shot
solid hazel
@silent talon its better to focus on eHP which includes stuff like dodge and damage reduction... But it's also harder to estimate mentally
silent talon
chain or perfect imo , perfect is nice dps boost and doessent really need much effort to pull of , and chain shot just hits more enemy's but on hades fight it's mostly you and the big guy ...
it's good for styx tho
primal hazel
Don't take twin on chiron
solid hazel
I usually go chain cuz it's just less changes to my playstyle
final island
oh wait perfect is when you time it right nvm
ill do chain lol
im not skilled enough
solid hazel
I find I don't do perfect shots all that much
primal hazel
Who cares about charged shots on chiron
solid hazel
Sometimes you just don't have enough time... And sometimes it's a waste of time cuz an uncharged shot will kill too
silent talon
true
primal hazel
Dash strike
Spam special 3 times
final island
pom or heart with 110 hp and epic base level for both attack and special
primal hazel
Aside from kill scenarios obvs
final island
pom?
solid hazel
Probably pom... 110 is pretty low though
silent talon
heart with 110 hp ... 110 is to low imo
solid hazel
Depends if he's in tarturus or not haha
solid hazel
Probably heart then? Assuming your beginner skill level
final island
12 runs on this save but i played like a year ago in early access and beat it
solid hazel
I mean if you were expert then pom could be better
cunning urchin
@open heron I guess you could look out for Lady Artemis for Fully Loaded, Lady Aphrodite for Smoldering Air, Lady Demeter for Cold Fusion, or maybe Tidal Dash + Sea Storm. But it's not really priority. What makes the build so simple but strong is that you can just focus on getting more boons from Lord Zeus to make your Electric Shot stronger or put poms on it. Don't really need anything beyond that.
solid hazel
I'm coward though so I'd take heart either way
solid hazel
Sea storm pretty much only good with tidal dash?
cunning urchin
I would suggest you try to aim for maybe ~200 HP by the time you reach the Hydra and ~250 for Theseus and Asterius. That would make things a lot easier.
solid hazel
It just seem like a tiny upgrade to call or cast
primal hazel
Uh oh stinky
cunning urchin
@solid hazel probably not, just Tidal Dash is so good lol.
solid hazel
It works on shield attack even without Poisedon
That's like almost +200% damage actually
I imagine it works on sword special too... Not saying it's good just interesting haha
final island
elysium cleared boys
proven osprey
goojob muchacho
open heron
do i take euridyce or a chaos portal w/ a cast build,
open heron
feels bad to turn down euridyce
maiden wolf
where is the spreadsheet with all the pom scales?
maiden wolf
ive gotten my hazard bomb to level 8 on accident and i want to see how much farther it can go
open heron
that +70% cast damage is gonna be better than anything else i was gonna get tho
sinful pier
Whats y'all's dream builds?
maiden wolf
i have hazard bomb + chaos special + aphrodite special rn and im probably gonna have some dreams about it later tonight
primal hazel
Zeus shield with full zeus flourish build and explosive catch
Spam Special to win
Don't need any other buttons
willow fossil
exit wounds does work with stygian soul right?
wary jackal
im having trouble with zeus shield on mobile bosses like asterius and hades
willow fossil
but still hurts right?
silent talon
i am really starting to hate the blade , even with arthur .. i am down all three defiances when i still need to get to thesius and astherius
willow fossil
technically it doesnt fall to the ground, it does fall out
wary jackal
I can't get the shield onto the boss for very long
cunning urchin
I gotta correct a bunch of those numbers in the spreadsheet sometime. Just never have the time for that now because of school.
primal hazel
Priorities
willow fossil
hey nyaanyaa do you know if exit wounds work with stygian soul?
cunning urchin
Yeah, it does.
The bloodstone will still dislodge at some point, and the enemy will take damage from it.
It just won't drop for you to pick it up. But they'll still take damage from Exit Wounds.
final island
oof i lost in styx
i literally did no dmg
once i got to elysium/styx
probably because my stuff literally got pom'd once and were just epic
silent talon
any tips and tricks on getting better with the blade ?
final island
oh wait privileged will make my build so much better
opal lodge
anyone know if you can get exit wounds on beowulf
primal hazel
Your casts don't stuck with beowulf afaik
silent talon
i really never gonna play with that stupid blade again
cunning urchin
No Exit Wounds for Beowulf.
opal lodge
i know they dont stick
i just want easier legendary
that is sad
it is so hard to get fully loaded on 32+ heat
i feel like i always get PP and support fire
and then never see another artemis boon
cunning urchin
Just fill your priority slots before Asphodel so you can ensure you get Pressure Points.
It's not so hard to get. She only has 6 t1 boons.
If you have 2 priority boons, it's already down to 4.
That's almost guaranteed Pressure Points with 1 reroll at most.
opal lodge
hmm
probably also just need to fill in my 4 gods earlier
i always hold out for poseidon to get mirage shot so maybe that's costing me a few boons too
boreal ermine
Always feels like there are more gold pots around after getting the discount voucher
surreal pumice
Any tips on how to kill ||Hades|| with Aspect of Hades?
cunning urchin
Going for both is a bit much if you're not starting with Flood Shot or True Shot.
surreal pumice
I can't seem to kill him with the spear.
I always end up wasting my dds and dying.
cunning urchin
Just make sure you have dashes available to empty-dash his spin attacks.
If you run perpendicular to him, his spear thrusts in phase 1 can never hit you.
opal lodge
i choked away 32 heat on hades spear by not saving dashes
cunning urchin
Go in for attacks when he's recovering from one, so you know he can't attack you at that time.
surreal pumice
What's recommended on Hades Spear? Crit?
opal lodge
feel like i get hit a lot in the time in between dashes with spear
mighty ermine
you can also evade his attacks with dash-spins since those grant iframes similar to normal dashes
cunning urchin
E.g., he has a lot of recovery after doing a spin attack, so you can safely get some hits in.
mighty ermine
it's good for applying the debuff and coming out unscathed at once
cunning ibex
For Hades spear I usually build for quick spin, three dash attack, winter attack and winter burst
I like it, never fails me
cunning urchin
@mighty ermine that's the first I've heard of that. 
surreal pumice
So lots of Chill?
mighty ermine
yeah lol, it happens a couple times for some boss fights in both the 1.0 50 and the blood price 52 etc
cunning ibex
Yeah. The triple dash attack makes a really nice combo for a chill+burst build
cunning urchin
You been keeping all this secret tech to yourself. 
opal lodge
tailesque your 56 run actively gave me heart palpitations
proven osprey
That's mean, Nyaanyaa's always eager to share those swift GY tempest flourish builds
strike sorry
cunning urchin
Tempest Flourish now?
primal hazel
you can also evade his attacks with dash-spins since those grant iframes similar to normal dashes
@mighty ermine wtf
Explains why hades is not trash tier
cunning urchin
...
mighty ermine
proven osprey
Nah nah strike, as corrected
cunning urchin
Fox is a good fox. Don't be mean.
Only one way to cheer him up now.
@mighty ermine do a barrel roll!
Success.
Now go do 57 with that energy.
mighty ermine
hell mode file here i come
mighty ermine
exactly lol
i just... would rather not fish for hermes dashes or deal with AP2, if i can avoid it
cunning ibex
daily reminder. you are not a real Hades player til you beat the game at 63 heat with no boons
mighty ermine
we're still looking for a real hades player, some say they don't exist
cunning urchin
Is it actually faster to do max a hell mode save from scratch for 57 than to beat your head against AP2 RI3 without a seed lol.
Questions with no clear answers.
mighty ermine
lol honestly? probably
and i guess since i wouldn't need to max the file necessarily
just get maxed rama and my keepsakes, companion etc
primal hazel
So since your the resident spin god
Any spin aspect recons/builds?
cunning urchin
Yeah I did that with Beowulf.
Then they nerfed Charged Flight, so that save is useless lol.
primal hazel
Wait
When
opal lodge
theres no pre 1.0 player out there with a max hell mode save?
cunning urchin
1.0.
primal hazel
Tf are y'all hitting me with today jeez
opal lodge
ah
mighty ermine
@primal hazel go for deadly strike on attack if going attack focused, deadly flourish for special if special focused (which you should only do with exploding launcher, really)
mighty ermine
serrated point for attack, and try to get used to playing without the spin hammers, even though they seem nice
cunning urchin
Resqtoaster has a max hell mode save, but we're both not interested in using somebody else's save.
RI3 without Charged Flight is pretty bad lol.
mighty ermine
yeah, because hades aspect's strength comes in actually using attack or special following your debuff
not the spin itself as a core focus
proven osprey
why does everyone have a problem with spins
mighty ermine
i kinda like it personally, just because it encourages more dynamic play
proven osprey
it's amazing
mighty ermine
would be pretty one-note if constant spins was the strat
opal lodge
encourages you to do more than one thing
unlike say
zag bow
where you press 2 buttons max
primal hazel
I'd like a spear where I can focus spins
primal hazel
Nice then you press also two buttons max with spear
mighty ermine
haelian even tried to do charged volley on zag earlier, probably to his detriment. the price you pay for using more than two buttons on zag bow
primal hazel
Got em
opal lodge
super nova
charged volley on zag bow sounds fun
until you remember that means picking zag bow
primal hazel
^
ocean mango
Do you guys have any tips against extremest measures?
mighty ermine
practice. sorry if that sounds like a non-answer
ocean mango
With forced overtime
mighty ermine
but really practice helps a ton with EM4
ocean mango
Annoying it's just at the and of a 20min run up >.>
mighty ermine
yeah lol
EM4 kind of asks you to adjust your normal muscle memory from regular dadfight
which can take multiple attempts
ocean mango
But do I bother breaking the pots?
mighty ermine
yeah, especially in phase 3, you want to keep urns as clear as you can while keeping up with skulls
ocean mango
I've only ever beaten it with aspect of hestia, which kind of seems like cheating
mighty ermine
i'm pretty certain he has a significantly increased frequency of skull casts in phase 3 just to make things more hectic
ocean mango
The darkness really screws with me as well
opal lodge
nah beating EM4 hades is an accomplishment regardless of what weapon you're using
ocean mango
The skull explosions kind of come from nowhere to me lol
mighty ermine
yeah, don't diminish the accomplishment!
opal lodge
realizing that you don't need to charge the spin, like, at all
really helped me
like min-charge spin is enough range most of the time
mighty ermine
absolutely
max spin charge especially on hades aspect is kind of a trap mindset most of the time
ocean mango
Does spear equal spin for high level strats? ^^
mighty ermine
it's just not necessary
proven osprey
next step is learning to enjoy Guan Yu
opal lodge
merciful end helped me like the guan yu
primal hazel
Ez
ocean mango
Guan Yu was really nice when it went through obstacles
opal lodge
even more than sweet nectar memes
primal hazel
Serrated point
proven osprey
merciful end helped me like the guan yu
@opal lodge But it's not the same gameplay anymore right
opal lodge
it sort of is
ocean mango
Serrated point, is that the triple dashstrike?
primal hazel
Melts
primal hazel
Multiple dashes and then even bosses are guccy
proven osprey
Doom on attack or special ?
opal lodge
it looks so tasty but i feel like i get hit a lot
primal hazel
Also Aphro legendary
opal lodge
doom on attack
ocean mango
Does it still make your dash attack animation longer? I remember trying it once and the momentary freezing when dash attacking turned me off it
proven osprey
oof
primal hazel
Nah
proven osprey
Yeah you would not want to spoil that sweet dmg
primal hazel
Shorter dash
Bigger dash strike range