i barely used the special at all, as usual with stygian
#h1-builds-and-combat
jovial harness
median lintel
yeah the arthur aspect is weird
jovial harness
but the regular attacks are fun idc what anyone says
devout ether
i barely used the special at all, as usual with stygian
@jovial harness I suggest you do, it's really useful
On all sword aspects
median lintel
creates a damage reducing AoE that also slows down enemies and projectiles
devout ether
Also, buffering a special right before a dash is p.good
median lintel
helps balance the fact that it's slow as hell
jovial harness
yeah i didnt realize it reduced damage
devout ether
Reading is Fundamental
median lintel
Psh, imagine reading
proven parcel
reading is for nerds
median lintel
i just mash buttons until something works
jovial harness
but i mean, a lot of the more annoying enemies are ranged spammy guys, so if i could easily get close enough to put them in the arthur zone, they wouldnt be that big of a deal to begin with
idk its the kinda thing i would need to more experience to use effectively
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jovial harness
i also had athena dash, so..
median lintel
i could never get used to it
proven parcel
Athena dash + aura
median lintel
could never get used to any of the hidden aspects really
proven parcel
or Deflect flourish + aura
median lintel
they all play too differently than what im used to
proven parcel
devout ether
they all play too differently than what im used to
@median lintel That's uh.... that's the point of them
median lintel
i understand lol
jovial harness
yeah i didnt want projectiles moving slow really, i wanted them express delivered back to the enemies
proven parcel
iirc deflect sends them back with haste
median lintel
they just arent for me
proven parcel
its just if they're theirs. Its slow
median lintel
would've helped if they were just a tiny bit faster
jovial harness
ok so if they're "my" projectiles due to deflection they dont get slowed
devout ether
ok so if they're "my" projectiles due to deflection they dont get slowed
@jovial harness Correct
jovial harness
i just want to try all the hidden aspects now that i have them unlocked
devout ether
Deflected projectiles always have the same speed
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median lintel
git gud
jovial harness
i put 9 blood in arthur because i heard it was at least controversially good
devout ether
how to Gilgamesh?
@still estuary Pos dash, ignore attack and special buttons
proven parcel
yea
jovial harness
now wait, is the aura damage reduction a buff applied to me while im in it or a debuff to the enemy
median lintel
ah
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proven parcel
while you're in it iirc
devout ether
now wait, is the aura damage reduction a buff applied to me while im in it or a debuff to the enemy
@jovial harness You receive less damage if you're in the aura
median lintel
buff to you
you can see Zagrues glow when he's in it
that doesnt happen to enemies iirc
proven parcel
never thought to try splash dash with gilg
jovial harness
i just love the third hit lol
proven parcel
devout ether
If you want to use Arthur, you really gotta get used to the "dodge offset" to land that third swing
jovial harness
also the way zag holds the sword
proven parcel
Arthur is def a nice looking weapon
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jovial harness
the dash attack has good range but its not the reason you would use the aspect
jovial harness
i think i like big meaty hits in general
i have this perverse urge to try guan yu
but i dont want to try it at level 1
devout ether
GY lvl1 is perfectly fine at zero heat
median lintel
guan yu is pretty rough at level 4
devout ether
Just never ever spin
proven parcel
its fine at lvl 5
jovial harness
ive done all the weapons at 1 heat so far, and a few at 3
proven parcel
but I think its the worst spear aspect
dry quiver
EM4 is where I started having tough time with Guan Yu
median lintel
started?????????????????
devout ether
I would not recommend EM4 with Guan Yu ||unless you go ham with charged skewer||
jovial harness
i keep forgetting to use my companion like, ever
proven parcel
even with
median lintel
same
full nova
what's everyone's favorite way to try to start off with chiron?
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jovial harness
im afraid of spending my blood in an unwise order and ending up in a situation where im having a hard time getting more bounties
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jovial harness
want to max out one really solid aspect per weapon at first
final warren
Do boons that boost Dash-STRIKE damage improve both dash-ATTACK and dash-SPECIALs (e.g. fists?)
proven parcel
Chrion my go to is Aphro atk/Dio Special
thorny dirge
@final warren for fists dash-upper specifically yes
also for shield if you get the dashing flight hammer*
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jovial harness
i need good weapons to compensate for my bad playstyle
proven parcel
didn't really affect much
if you trying to go ez mode though, imo. Chaos Shield, Chiron bow, Poseidon Sword, Achilles Spear, Demeter fist, Eris rail
those are all pretty good, easy to use
jovial harness
well regardless i dont want to use guan yu un-maxed good grief
full nova
i'm trying to figure out achilles spear
jovial harness
or at least not at level 1
dry quiver
I just unlocked each aspect first. Then as I tried each one, started putting blood into the one aspect for each weapon that played best for me
dry quiver
With an exception for Guan Yu because first run made it apparent that if you want to play it, max it.
jovial harness
hm, seems like the achilles spear bonus actually gets pretty stronk
jovial harness
i like cast builds
proven parcel
Poseidon aspect is great for them too
jovial harness
i like abusing casts even when i dont really have a "cast build"
proven parcel
its +60% cast dmg at lvl 5 iirc
jovial harness
im not htat into poseidon though tbh
proven parcel
And the special lets you get your blood back immediately
jovial harness
just give me rapid reload and let me collect stones after the enemy moves away
dry quiver
Achilles is good stuff. Had Demeter/Poseidon duo with 4 casts. Getting all 4 passing through boss with Achilles boost was a solid 6k nearly every 3-5 seconds
proven parcel
Stygian blood(?) is fun with a demeter cast
if you get the right Stuff
w.e the one that reloads your blood
jovial harness
wait how does that work together?
proven parcel
artemis legendary and quick reload for hermes is pretty much necessary
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proven parcel
You have a screen full of Crystal beams
its super super super super boon heavy
def not reliable
jovial harness
that cast reload talent sounds pointless with demeter
cunning urchin
@full nova Drunken Flourish, Heartbreak Strike, Low Tolerance. You won't get better DPS on Chiron.
jovial harness
why do you need it if you dont even have a sticking cast
proven parcel
its the one that reloads your blood in like 2seconds
cunning urchin
Get Attack hammers, and put all your poms on your Flourish.
proven parcel
im prob getting the talents mixed up
get the hermes boon that regenerates it even faster
and you'll have a cast up every second
cunning urchin
Dash-Strike Power Shot > Volley > Dash-Strike Power Shot on the next target > Volley > etc.
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jovial harness
ok but like, without boons, can you put more than one laser crystal out with that? i thought you'd only be able to have one out at a time unless you got more casts
proven parcel
yes
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proven parcel
your blood regenerates regardless if a beam is out or not
get the boon that makes the casts last longer too
kindred trout
So if you use Stygian blood you gain a new gem 3 seconds after you use a gem, even if the old cast is still stuck in someone or still active
proven parcel
and you'll have a screen of them out
jovial harness
i thought the crystal would vanish when it recharged
jovial harness
i tried using the boon that makes the lasers hit you
proven parcel
during the final boss I had like 10 on screen
jovial harness
it didnt go well
but i can see how it could be really strong if you know what you're doing with it
proven parcel
I don't like cold embrace at all
dry quiver
I wouldn’t miss that boon if it got replaced with something else
jovial harness
ok so its not just me
proven parcel
don't think anyone would. Don't see much use for it
I mean if you do the cast super far away and go ham on a target
maybe?
but seems pointless overall
pliant anvil
I think that's true of all revenge boons tbh
proven parcel
at that point you might as well do the pos/ares duo
full nova
poseidon w/ zeus cast and special seems awesome
pliant anvil
though I wonder how cold embrace with the zeus/ares duo boon works
full nova
or pos special and zeus cast
proven parcel
and get the pulse wave
full nova
poseidon sword that is
pliant anvil
Wait, I thinking of a different boon
pliant anvil
Yeah, I was thinking of frozen touch
proven parcel
and not the enemies
pliant anvil
Yeah
proven parcel
If you get her legendary its cool too
and the 10 stack of frozen explosion is pretty decent
but its not my fav thing to work towards
turbid needle
Poseidon demeter cast is ridiculous
pliant anvil
eh
pliant anvil
it doesn't knock enemies back does it?
pliant anvil
If I'm running ocean dude bro, I'm usually using sea storm
It's prolly good for bosses though
but poseidon is just SO GOOD at room clearing with his cast
and like, mirage shot
unborn topaz
i just unlocked the shield
jovial harness
battle rage wont boost an entire dragon rush attack will it?
cunning urchin
It can boost the Dragon Rush itself but not the Cast damage.
jovial harness
oh i just realized beowulf doesnt block lol
glad i learned that by reading not the hard way
pliant anvil
Are you sure?
It still has a defend prompt and I know I've blocked with it before
I think you should try blocking with it again
jovial harness
wait, maybe it blocks from a different direction?
pliant anvil
It blocks from the front like all the others
kindred trout
I actually really like Vengeful Mood builds. And some of the revenge boons (the chill one in particular) can be very strong if you're struggling with boss fights. And if you're not struggling with boss fights, who cares what boons you get?
pliant anvil
higher heat levels thrive on good builds
jovial harness
is that something they changed at some point
pliant anvil
I don't think so
jovial harness
willow fossil
ok
jovial harness
hmm, artemis flare didnt feel real strong against hydra
does leveling up beowulf increase the damage of the flares or just the initial hit
half flower
you know what would be nice? if seeking fire got more tracking the closer it gets to the target. Right now that hammer feels weird since controller auto aim mostly obsoleted it, but you can't do cool things like shooting around walls since it doesn't track things well enough
it'll just fly off instead
unless the enemy is pretty far away from the wall
lone lava
With this build, would epic movespeed (+40%) or epic dashes (+3) be better?
For a speedrun
devout ether
Always dashes, imo
lone lava
Normally yeah I'd always take dashes unless there's hypersprint and I'm not playing a splash dash or dash strike weapon and want rush delivery (like beowulf)
But specifically here with flurry shot, I attack much faster by not dash attacking
And epic attackspeed on top of that
devout ether
You said speedrun, and dashes is faster than any % increase of movespeed
lone lava
I just wanna get this 10min clear haha
It's my last wep to go
Yeah for moving around it would be
Hmm you're probably right though
Even if dash attacks are worse dps than standing still and shooting right now, it's not like I can move while shooting
So when I do need to reposition dashes are still better
devout ether
only the first attack with flurry shot is the dash attack, anyways
pliant anvil
@jovial harness that's very weird. I just tested it on the switch, and I can still definitely block from the front. I assume you're on PC? I wonder which of the two are bugged.
jovial harness
no you're right, i just was saying it was weird that there was a whole thread of people saying you cant
pliant anvil
It might be or was bugged at some point I guess? That thread was back on June 24th after all
jovial harness
either way i'm used to kiting asterius around with whatever cast i have so not having any ranged options against him is awkward
i could just, yknow, block him
pliant anvil
or dash through him, then charge and attack
the best time I've found to hit him is right after he does a leap, or if you're not using EM3, right after he finishes his swing combo
dry ember
rest, then
vagrant olive
q-q, ty i acutally needed that
for far it's been 5 thesus attempts before I even get a chance to fight hades
and when i get there my brian is too much of a mush to think about the attacks
devout ether
Consider turning on God Mode if you need to relax a while
vagrant olive
I'm acutally considering it, but then agian i dont think even god mode can help me haha
but I'll give it a go for sure
I'm getting a lot better at the thesus fight tho
vagrant olive
i'll be very honest I just wanna dupe safe to beat hades
ty guys for the encouragements
devout ether
i'll be very honest I just wanna dupe safe to beat hades
@vagrant olive Turning on God Mode seems way easier than this
But you do you
vagrant olive
i dont even know how to dupe save acutally haha
and i do admit if i turn on god mode I'll feel like cheating
kindred trout
How many Death Defiances have you unlocked?
proven osprey
ah
vagrant olive
I find myself unable to make it to the 2nd boss without it
pliant anvil
Ahhh I will also suggest switching
vagrant olive
I'm also broke
pliant anvil
Unless you die more than 3 times in a run
vagrant olive
so yea
devout ether
Definitely turn on God Mode if you're having this much trouble
vagrant olive
I do die more than 3 times in a run
pliant anvil
god mode will help you out a lot for sure
willow fossil
stubborn defiance is amazing if youre struggling in normal runs
also yeah god mode
vagrant olive
and i enjoy patrolecus' perk that gives you +50% hp when you revive very much
proven osprey
Yeah I love that one too
vagrant olive
I feel like even if i get 3 death definace Im gonna blow them all at thesus
so i wont even have any revive at hades
untold iris
death defiance is really nice for the majority of the players
proven osprey
But you should practice room clearing, playing safe in order to save DD for bosses/Hades
What weapon are you using ?
kindred trout
Well, you've beaten Theseus 5 times with stubborn defiance, right? So if you had 3 death defiances you'd only be losing 1 of them to theseus
devout ether
I feel like even if i get 3 death definace Im gonna blow them all at thesus
@vagrant olive The point is to get good enough to get to Hades with two or all three DDs
untold iris
there's definitely a mid-skill level that people get to where they rarely die to rooms anymore, and need to save death defiances for bosses
proven osprey
Nothing to be ashamed of
untold iris
going into the hades fight with two or three death defiances helps a lot
vagrant olive
ik
untold iris
especially since death defiance heals for more than stubborn defiance
kindred trout
even if you're still losing death defiances in asphodel you can often get them refilled by Patroclus.
proven osprey
2 actually
vagrant olive
i can what 👀
proven osprey
and it's a refill
devout ether
You should focus on unlocking the full Mirror perks
proven osprey
I mean 2 boons, not 2 refills
vagrant olive
both from athena?
void fjord
Do u run any heat?
vagrant olive
if i remember they are duos right?
devout ether
I doubt he's beaten the game
kindred trout
Yeah if you have DD then Patroclus will refill all your used charges. The first time I beat hades I lost 1 DD to hydra, 1 to elysium enemies, got both back from patroclus, lost 1 to theseus, 2 to hades, and beat him on my last life..
vagrant olive
3rd day playing
vagrant olive
im addicted
void fjord
Well once u get a feel for it ull be fine
kindred trout
It sounds like you're progressing at a reasonable pace tbh.
opal lodge
yeah just keep playing you'll figure it out
vagrant olive
cut him down to 50% health then got stabbed
opal lodge
same thing happened to me haha
i think i actually just straight died to the wave
when he starts phase 2
vagrant olive
i dont know why i didn't expect him to not have the 2nd phase
kindred trout
Although I would encourage you to try god mode for a while. You can turn it off once you've got a few more mirror perks.
vagrant olive
but never the less i was salty
devout ether
I'll say it again, focus on unlocking the Mirror. Priviledged Status will get you most of the way there
vagrant olive
I have all mirror perk unlocked
well
i'll get stacked on death difence
which one is that one?
void fjord
If u want a pro tip abt stubborn defiance, if u died in a room with an Athena boon and get one of her DD replenish boons you get an additional DD as compared to ur normal SD
devout ether
Also, focus on getting the Fountain upgrades in the contractor
vagrant olive
also i just realised which path gives you npc lol
untold iris
tbh god mode is for people who want to experience the story without grinding the rougelike aspects
or for people who just can't get the hang of the game
if you're making progress learning about the game and dont mind the roguelike parts of the game then i would recommend keeping up with the grind
you will get better eventually and then hades will feel easy
vagrant olive
before that i had no idea what the explantion mark meant
thx
Im still gonna say tho
screw you dad I dont like you >:[
vagrant olive
bow rn. I'm planning to beat the game with bow, and then go on to other weapon
so I want to completely beat the game with 1 weapon at a time
void fjord
Basic bow right?
vagrant olive
si
snow vapor
||Okay so, got to the surface for the kajillonneth time today. Fists this time and 3 Death Defiances left, well, 2, but I have Skelly's tooth. Hopefully I can beat Hades finally.||
void fjord
I suggest athena special and Ares attack
vagrant olive
ok
untold iris
for fists
void fjord
Gl @snow vapor
snow vapor
ty
vagrant olive
I've found athena dash very good
void fjord
Lmao i use that all the time
snow vapor
It's mainly an artemis build for fists rn
untold iris
ares attack + athena special is a fist build
vagrant olive
personally I like speical debuff and artimis attack.
proven osprey
Artemis/Aphrodite for bow I would say
dry quiver
Man I really messed up my Demeter Aspect run because I stupidly focused on 650 flood shots(with quick reloads) for the first phase and half the 2nd of Hades and taking too many idiotic hits. That would have been weakened by the Aphrodite special. Almost pulled it back together at the end when I remembered but too little too late. Moral of the story, don’t lose focus on what you should be doing.
vagrant olive
artimis and aphroditey calls are so good for bosses
snow vapor
I was really trying to get Aphro's call for fists
but I didn't find a single aphro boon
untold iris
artemis call is very underwhelming imo
vagrant olive
WhAt PhAse
proven osprey
@dry quiver That's a good moral, definitely
snow vapor
What aspect for fists? none
if you're talking about boss phase
I always get to the second
vagrant olive
there's 3 phases for hades?
void fjord
@vagrant olive also make sure u have the duo boon mirror thing with the build i suggested. I suggest also arty or athena dash
untold iris
hades has 2 phases @vagrant olive
void fjord
Shhhhhh
snow vapor
||I always get clapped on the second phase lol||
untold iris
there's an optional difficulty modifier you can unlock later that makes him harder
snow vapor
But I have hella death defiance now soo
void fjord
No spoilers for the new player
vagrant olive
ty
hades is the first game i started playing with 0 spoilers haha
really glad i did
the vc and story are well worth the death
vagrant olive
well then, imma go work on homework and then go back to trying kick thesus
void fjord
Gl
vagrant olive
thesus is acutally the only npc whose dialog I skip because i seriously can't stand his ego
snow vapor
||Dodge that spear|| ^
void fjord
I luv thesus lmao
vagrant olive
because he's really hard, and i dont want to admit he's right about some stuff
he gives me too much pain for me to really like him
but i respect your opinion
snow vapor
at least asterius gives you his autograph sincerely
void fjord
Lol almost everyone here hates him
untold iris
hide behind pillars like a wimp
void fjord
Like how almost everyone is an Artemis simp
untold iris
thats the best strategy against chad theseus
void fjord
Or you know athena dash at him
snow vapor
yes
||How should I avoid the green circles Hades loves to make? The urns I'm fine with but in his first phase he really smacks me when I'm unable to dash out of the circles in time.||
honest jungle
Anyone know a good chaos sheild build like boons to look for
void fjord
Or dash through them
honest jungle
Boons
untold iris
you can also dash through the circles or stay far enough away that they dont reach you
void fjord
@honest jungle try zeus special
honest jungle
Autocorrect sorry about that
untold iris
the circles dont cover the whole stage
honest jungle
Wdym Zues special
void fjord
Zeus on shield special
honest jungle
Don't know what that is
void fjord
?
honest jungle
I'm a idiot
half crater
thunder flourish, the zeus boon that upgrades you special
void fjord
Drunken flourish with heartbreak strike
honest jungle
Okay
void fjord
My first base shield win was with this
honest jungle
Okay
half crater
at low heat, most stuff can work to some degree
the game rewards experimentation early on
void fjord
Like why some boons are better on some weapons and not others
pliant anvil
@honest jungle I recommend Zeus aspect with Zeus on the special, then get poseidon dash and look for the sea storm duo boon
honest jungle
Yo quothe thanks for the last build it worked pretty well but did not fit my playsyle
I like to do
opal lodge
yeah i mean heat always restricts the range of things that work since theres a lower margin for error with each pact
at 0 heat you could do a boonless run with shackle and i guess its still viable
theres definitely people who have done that
proven osprey
well
I've done it several times thinking it was ok
someone told me "yeah it's good dude"
honest jungle
What is heat
proven osprey
it is something
devout ether
If you dont know what Heat is, you maybe shouldnt be worrying about this channel 😄
proven osprey
no spoilerino
opal lodge
yeah you probably dont want to be in spoilers allowed channels
proven osprey
lmao
opal lodge
if youre that early in the game just keep playing and have fun with it haha
proven osprey
you made me realize that spoilers are allowed
jovial harness
regarding the earlier conversation about having a hard time beating the game.. the real god mode is filling out the mirror and eventually getting some stupid duos that win the game for you
willow fossil
some people dont care about spoilers
proven osprey
I was still like "sword 4th aspect" and things
devout ether
some people dont care about spoilers
@willow fossil It's less about spoilers and more about "knowing enough of the game"
opal lodge
tbh duos arent even that hard to get i just didnt know the requirements for them early on
devout ether
If you havent even beat the game yet, you dont need to be worrying about builds lmao
opal lodge
the likelihood if you have your core boons filled and have the prerequisites is something like 50% for a duo
willow fossil
i wanted to know about the game, before i beat it
opal lodge
yeah but each person is different and theres no harm in being cautious either
willow fossil
thatd be correct
west trail
So are there particular aspects for each weapon that people think is best. I don't have enough blood to experiment yet so so I don't know which to go for. Particularly for spear and shield for me
solid hazel
I thought somebody posted numbers recently and it was like 37% to get duos with God's legacy
spiral tree
I get the duo I want like 90% of the time
solid hazel
And then increased chance with refreshing nectar and or appropriate God keepsake, up to around 50%
spiral tree
fated persuasion maxed+God's legacy maxed
devout ether
So are there particular aspects for each weapon that people think is best. I don't have enough blood to experiment yet so so I don't know which to go for. Particularly for spear and shield for me
@west trail The only tier lists, such as they are, are for speedruns really
solid hazel
You must be absurdly lucky then, cuz I play with those too and Im not even close to 90%
proven osprey
I get them often
devout ether
Some weapons are more suited to high heat runs than others, but you can make all of them work up to about 32 heat I'd say
solid hazel
Probably more like 50% for entire run
proven osprey
When I meet the gods ofc
west trail
So zagreus is as good as chiron bow for example?
spiral tree
so if I don't have duo by the time I get to styx I just spend them all on the boon that has my duo
solid hazel
What if the gods you need don't show up in Styx?
proven osprey
So zagreus is as good as chiron bow for example?
@west trail Both are really good yeah
spiral tree
duo is gotten from 2 different gods
at least 1 of those gods is guaranteed to show up in styx
opal lodge
the duo chance is also impacted by whether or not your core boons are filled
devout ether
So zagreus is as good as chiron bow for example?
@west trail Well well well, let's not get crazy here
spiral tree
what do you mean core?
opal lodge
you need to have all core boons filled to have a higher chance to get duos
core is attack, special, cast, call, and dash
west trail
Hm?
spiral tree
oh right
solid hazel
It is? I ran a run where I wanted deadly reversal. I got divine dash, Deadly flourish and divine strike in tarturus and did not see Artemis or Athena for the rest of the run
snow vapor
||going up against hades with no call lol this hurts||
solid hazel
So it's possible to not see the gods you want again
proven osprey
I've seen some crazy runs with Zag Bow
opal lodge
time to paste the numbers from the speedrunning discord again
Here are the chances of rolling a non-Hermes duo / legendary:
12% - Base chance of rolling duo/legendary per offered boon (in non-miniboss / non-styx rooms)
10% - increase from God's Legacy
10% - increase from corresponding god trinket
So for a normal room when you are running God's Legacy on the mirror and already have the pre-reqs, your overall chance of hitting the legendary/duo is:
39% - Chance with no god trinket and core boons not filled
51% - Chance with no god trinket but core boons are filled
54% - Chance with god trinket and core boons not filled
67% - Chance with god trinket and core boons are filled
willow fossil
So it's possible to not see the gods you want again
rng
snow vapor
||Phase 2 and now I just need to keep my 1 death defiance there until he's low af so I can just spam so I don't get yeeted :(||
||nvm I lost my dd||
opal lodge
as for seeing gods you want, as long as you have boons from 4 gods you should see boons from all 4 of those in your run unless you get absurdly unlucky
west trail
So which spear do I go for? Do any stand out or feel weak?
snow vapor
Personally I can't stand Achilles Spear
willow fossil
i cant stand gy
west trail
Oh. So if I wanted dio for example, and I have a choice between a key or a zeus perk, should I go for the key to not fill up a slot with zeus, potentially stopping me getting dio?
solid hazel
Thanks @opal lodge didnt know core boons were that important
west trail
Lol OK. Three spears got recommended :p
west trail
You can't be offered key and zeus?
opal lodge
yeah because the game will always offer at least one core if you dont have them filled
willow fossil
not at the same time
snow vapor
dear god
west trail
Can you not get an item and a god at the same time?
willow fossil
pom heart or obol
west trail
Only all items or all gods?
west trail
What a about a hp up?
snow vapor
||51 health, no dd, only the eggcellent Athena-Demeter Duo to bring my HP up||
So my options are
run for 2 minutes straight
or die
west trail
A hp up or zeus. And I want dio. Go for the hp to not fill up a god slot?
willow fossil
thats an option yes
snow vapor
nvm just died
opal lodge
ah sad
devout ether
Only all items or all gods?
@west trail Pay attention to the colour of laurels
west trail
A good option? Or should I just get a boon anyway?
snow vapor
I got rooted and lasered lol
willow fossil
if you dont need zeus why go for it?
west trail
Laurels?
willow fossil
someone paste the pic lol
west trail
I dunno. I just went for all the books thinking it was a power increase
Didn't know it could potentially decrease my power
willow fossil
need to have a build in mind
if a god wont be useful in the build, no point in taking it
west trail
What do you mean pay attention to the laurels though?
opal lodge
i can never tell the difference between the elite badges haha
devout ether
i can never tell the difference between the elite badges haha
@opal lodge But it's super easy. No red, one red, two red
willow fossil
they dont really matter tbh
opal lodge
but also correct me if im wrong, a miniboss room will always be a boon and a difficult encounter will always be meta reward
untold iris
two red is only erebus gates
opal lodge
i dont think ive ever had a miniboss room be something thats not a boon
west trail
Why do laurels matter if it has the picture anyway?
jovial harness
for rerolling
devout ether
Because you can reroll
willow fossil
so you know what it will reroll into
untold iris
because you cant reroll blue into yellow, or vice versa
also theres that one chaos boon that hides rooms from you
devout ether
And if you dont know what a reroll is, maybe you should play the game more before coming in asking for builds 😄
solid hazel
I'm pretty sure mini bosses are always God laurels. There's like blue laurels with a mini boss symbol but those are usually just "harder" mobs
jovial harness
wow i typoed my way into having my message deleted
west trail
I know what re rolls are
willow fossil
then thats why the laurel matters
jovial harness
i think i like beowulf a lot better with charged shot
opal lodge
beowulf is a whole lot of fun with anything tbh
jovial harness
why cant i reroll ambrosia into blood huh
opal lodge
has quickly become my favorite aspect
willow fossil
lmfao
west trail
Surely it's just meta buffs vs current run buffs. Not sure the significance of the laurel
willow fossil
bro
devout ether
You just said it
willow fossil
^
devout ether
Did you look at the image?
willow fossil
^
opal lodge
if you want to ignore laurels thats your prerogative
willow fossil
^
opal lodge
but theyre there for a reason
finite socket
Eventually you will just want gold laurels since they will benefit the runs
jovial harness
you can buy upgrades at the contractor though that make the meta rewards give you stuff that helps with your run
devout ether
Yeah, that mirror perk is definitely always on
jovial harness
in addition to the normal reward
west trail
I know. I already have the mirror upgraded and have the contactor perks
finite socket
Because you'll be just be with a ton of resources
devout ether
you can buy upgrades at the contractor though that make the meta rewards give you stuff that helps with your run
@jovial harness Buy Fated Keys first, that's the important one
finite socket
With nothing to spend them on
jovial harness
i bought them all already
willow fossil
fated keys and nectar upgrades are priority
jovial harness
i dont like rerolling though, because sometimes i dont get what i want
finite socket
Authority or Persuasion anyways
willow fossil
sometimes you dont want whats there to begin with
devout ether
With the upgrade that makes bosses drop gems, I pretty much never go for gem rooms
west trail
Yes I looked at the image. What do you mean?
willow fossil
Authority or Persuasion anyways
i use authority but persuasion is better
opal lodge
im a bigger fan of persuasion
devout ether
Persuasion is much more powerful
opal lodge
i literally only take the gems if im at a breakpoint
devout ether
That's why you only get 4 of those
willow fossil
yeah persuasion will help you more
jovial harness
i should go for keys more, like obviously rerolls are really powerful, but somehow the gold just feels more immediately useful
opal lodge
like say im at 130 obols and i know midshop is coming up
that is the only time i will pick gems over something else
devout ether
But you can get 20 gold from mobs most of the time anyways
west trail
But gems help you out after the run
opal lodge
its going to be painful to miss a boon because you're at 145 obols
devout ether
It's REALLY hard to not get 20 gold just from mobs
opal lodge
its is
west trail
You get to pick new curtains and rugs
opal lodge
but weirder things have happened
devout ether
Not buying a boon isnt the end of the world, anyways
untold iris
gems is good because I need those sweet, sweet furniture items
and because im good enough to not need the small amount of extra power that a different room would give me at heats below like 20ish
opal lodge
not disagreeing with you just saying thats the only time i would personally take the gems
is to ensure a boon that i would want
west trail
Did you look at the image?
@devout ether
Yes, why do you ask?
devout ether
Because you didnt understand the difference between gold and blue
west trail
But I do
jovial harness
should be able to chuck the reroll die at charon's head if you dont like his offerings
devout ether
Surely it's just meta buffs vs current run buffs. Not sure the significance of the laurel
@west trail and i quote
west trail
Why quote that?
devout ether
Because it's why I said the bit you quoted
west trail
I said the significance of the laurel. As in, why it was brought up
devout ether
My guy, are you confused?
devout ether
Why do laurels matter if it has the picture anyway?
@west trail It came from this comment
devout ether
You cant be offered a blue and gold laurel at the same time. That's it
west trail
Yeh someone said
devout ether
Okay, glad we cleared that up
west trail
Lol OK
But you said I should play the game more before asking for builds? How much before I should ask?
I'm at heat level 8 so far. Thought it was OK to ask
opal lodge
yeah just ask lol
opal lodge
the laurel conversation is destroying my brain cells
devout ether
I'm at heat level 8 so far. Thought it was OK to ask
@west trail By the nature of your questions, I would not have guessed that. Ask away!
snow vapor
thanks
opal lodge
hypnos actually for tips
untold iris
if you fail then get faster
devout ether
The bob will only fake you out three times. Try looking above the bob and reacting to the flash of light
That helped me
opal lodge
^^
pliant anvil
@untold iris From what I've heard, and what has helped me, is "real" bobs (i.e. the flash) always have the same shortish interval, while "fake" bobs are usually a bit longer, and yeah, it can only fake bob 3 times
devout ether
Someone mentioned that the time between a fakeout and a true bite is always the same. Not sure how accurate that is, but it has also helped
Yeah, that
snow vapor
Nice, just caught my second fish
devout ether
hypnos actually for tips
@opal lodge Only the best advice here, folks
quick wedge
whats good with dionysus?
pliant anvil
It'd be helpful if someone could time it, but I don't have the tools to go frame by frame over a bunch of catches to see if it's true
west trail
Does the perfect catch change the fish you get? Or is it irrelevant?
pliant anvil
@quick wedge ares for the duo boon
opal lodge
a little bit more specific? like hangover build? dio cast? what kind of dio boon
quick wedge
weapons wise sorry
opal lodge
hmm
pliant anvil
or zeus for the festive fog lightning I think
quick wedge
i have a dio boon with epic flourish and strike first thing
west trail
Like I've only caught two fish so far. The first was a sturgeon with a perfect. Then a sunfish not perfect
opal lodge
beowulf for dio cast
opal lodge
chiron for dio flourish is good
jovial harness
do you try to fish every time you can
finite socket
Any good weapons for a Crystal Beam build?
snow vapor
yes, flying
jovial harness
was asking vene
quick wedge
weapons are kind of irrelevant for crystal beam, right?
opal lodge
@finite socket achilles
devout ether
Does the perfect catch change the fish you get? Or is it irrelevant?
@west trail Yes. You can only catch legendary fish with a perfect catch
opal lodge
certain weapons are better for casts than others
west trail
I am now. I was just wondering if the perfect catch changes it
Wait some weapons affect the cast?
opal lodge
achilles and poseidon give the most noticeable boosts to casts
pliant anvil
I think achilles and poseidon would be best @quick wedge
west trail
To get better fish?
pliant anvil
assuming you're talking about the demeter crystal
opal lodge
the thing with poseidon is you want lodging casts
devout ether
No vene, cast means the ability
opal lodge
so imo achilles is better for that
jovial harness
i dont know how achilles interacts with crystal beams though
opal lodge
achilles has increased damage on the next 4 actions taken after using raging rush
pliant anvil
Achiles is better, but both are decent choices because of the extra cast damage
opal lodge
so that applies to casts too
so if you do this sequence
special--> special--> cast x3
all of your casts are +150% stronger
jovial harness
oh wicked, was just wondering since the crystals are a ton of tiny hits
opal lodge
the entire cast is empowered
snow vapor
I just started an accidental Demeter-Art build
opal lodge
wym
west trail
So the best cast is the poseidon fishing line?
devout ether
Oh no nvm, 150% is level five
pliant anvil
yeah
west trail
Surely for a cast build you want the poseidon legendary to find more fish?
snow vapor
It was my second boon this run so It's making my crit pretty sweet
devout ether
Rare Crop is such a meme
jovial harness
hm will flood flare push the enemy away before all the hits hit
opal lodge
rare crop ranges from unironically good to complete meme depending on so many different factors
devout ether
Surely for a cast build you want the poseidon legendary to find more fish?
@west trail My guy, is this a jape? Are you jesting?
Please dont be this confused 😄
snow vapor
Is Rama worth it tbh?
opal lodge
hard to read that question
devout ether
Is Rama worth it tbh?
@snow vapor Fav bow aspect, it's awesome
pliant anvil
boon for damage increase based on fish caught when
opal lodge
rama is arguably one of the best aspects rn
west trail
Why do you keep calling me a guy?
opal lodge
especially on high heat
snow vapor
I just got it and don't really want to spend valuable blood I could use on Hera if it's not that good particularly
oh dope
opal lodge
can yall be civil
devout ether
Figure of speech my gal
west trail
Oh. But I am a guy. You were correct
opal lodge
yeah rama is nuts
pliant anvil
Rama and hera are both good aspects
devout ether
Oh. But I am a guy. You were correct
@west trail I am unironically enjoying this banter! 😄 😄
pliant anvil
It's mostly down to what playstyle you'd prefer, special > attack vs cast > attack really
devout ether
Rama is all about dat attack
opal lodge
yeah honestly any aspect works and you'll get titan blood if you keep playing
just do whats fun
pliant anvil
yeah, rama is def all about the attack
opal lodge
who knows it may end up being good
pliant anvil
since the special effectively increases your attack damage
opal lodge
people in this discord scared me off of hades aspect when i first started and now it turns out its good so
devout ether
Just because you like it dont make it good
opal lodge
yeah with rama you def want to tag things with special first before powershotting
hades is unironically good now
pliant anvil
Hades aspect is ok. It kinda relies on getting fast spin charge though imo
west trail
Sorry for any confusion. My English isn't too good. I've only been learning for a short while
opal lodge
its still the only spear aspect thats cleared 50 heat
although some of that might just be tailesque being a nut giga gamer
devout ether
Sorry for any confusion. My English isn't too good. I've only been learning for a short while
@west trail What language are you playing on? "Cast" is the spell, the third ability. B on XBOX, right click on mouse
(is it right click on mouse?)
west trail
I wanted to understand the reasoning for the things that were said. To learn
Oh I apologise. I tried to make a joke about the "cast". I thought it would be humorous. It seems to have confused you though.
I apologise "my guy" :) I should familiarise myself with English more before making more attempts at humour
west trail
Unfortunately I only learn informal English because of the university I learn from. So I sound strange to most
So I am trying to learn more natural English. For example, many people have called me a twat. I assume this is a term of endearment for the English.
So I'll have to add it to my vocabulary
west trail
Congratulations my guy
opal lodge
you really cant go wrong but imo crystal clarity is the move
west trail
You can go wrong. You could reroll
vagrant olive
How the hec did i do 961 dmadge with an explosive bow shot. Is artemis crit that scary???
opal lodge
if you get offered glacial glare + snow burst those are both good with that too
crits are scary stuff in general
multiplicative damage gets nuts quickly
opal lodge
heart rend is good
snow vapor
Yeah but I was mainly going Dem/Art
devout ether
Yes
devout ether
Yes.
opal lodge
second wind
pliant anvil
Depends on the cast, but I like parting shot usually
solid hazel
I vote second wind... You have a lot of safety after a call
I have no idea how often quick recovery procs... But I would guess not that often
It procs if you mistime your dash late? I certainly don't have the reflexes to purposely proc quick recovery
BTW the numbers for second wind are wrong on the wiki? I seem to recall it lasts for ten seconds but gives less movement/dodge now
devout ether
The Wiki has a lot of outdated info
snow vapor
Okay, now for the Demeter-Artemis-Aphro endgame build hopefully
I have 4 duos now lol
vagrant olive
Dad please go easy on me
On my way to fight hades for the 3rd time
How do i use explosive shots on hades without being stabbed?
snow vapor
my bad i have athena's dash too
||I used my last death defiance and he's at a little under half hp gghgffghss||
I DID IT
gray shore
@primal hazel you like GY right, any build suggestions/ keepsake suggestions?
snow vapor
FDXFVFD OML
primal hazel
Yup
Sec
Guan Yu special build artemis flourish, charged skewer, aphro duo|serrated point, hunter dash
Either special or dash build
gray shore
weak take more crit
primal hazel
Serrated point can be risky because of the shortened dash
gray shore
serrated point hunter dash
quick osprey
Does nourished soul work with Guan Yu healing? (sorry totally random)
gray shore
is that somehow better with GY than other spear aspects?
primal hazel
Serrated point+ hunter dash is seperate from the special build
primal hazel
Well the dash attack has good damage and I think even a bigger range
Not sure on that tho cause I don't play the other spears anymore
gray shore
build 1: weak crit special
build 2: hunter dash + serrated
primal hazel
The skewer build would be the safer one
Those are the basic ideas yeah
Keepsakes for the first two stages should be clear
Otherwise either purse/spearpoint/acorn
gray shore
i went with skewer build last time I used GY seemed strong
opal lodge
splash skewer is also memes
gray shore
didn't know how to make spin work
primal hazel
Splash skewer is fun
opal lodge
gives you extra damage against bosses and some protection against rushdown
gray shore
i guess the gods you get
primal hazel
Idk bout spin builds
I mostly use it at safe times for some health regains
gray shore
aren't as important as the hammers
opal lodge
splash skewer also scales pretty well with poms
primal hazel
Also I take a healthy amount of health ups
gray shore
i find spin is basically useless is boss fights
opal lodge
charged skewer is the best GY hammer by far
gray shore
just kiting all day
primal hazel
Hammers are probably the most important thing on GY imo
opal lodge
maybe quick spin is good too but idk i only use special haha
gray shore
i just find it a bit weird that
GY special build is a thing
how is it better than say
zag spear for spamming special
primal hazel
Quick spin is decent but I find it hard to get a successful spin build going
Huge damage, piercing, no need to retrieve, good range
Big crits
opal lodge
GY spear is 45 base damage
gray shore
pierces enemies
opal lodge
also you dont have to recall
primal hazel
GY basically becomes a ranged weapon
gray shore
worse range than zag tho
opal lodge
and its as wide as a log
primal hazel
Yeah but way more powerful
gray shore
ok so
primal hazel
And wide also yeah
gray shore
better stable dps
opal lodge
lot of reasons to like gy spear
gray shore
from range
gray shore
yeah it kinda feels like
opal lodge
basically extends 3-4 zags wide
gray shore
it has an explosive effect
opal lodge
idk how to describe the width lol
primal hazel
You'll feel the with
gray shore
i've already done 3 GY runs, and i liked it overall
just looking to theorycraft it a bit
primal hazel
The usual rythm is just special>dash twice>repeat
primal hazel
I haven't tried out a spin build yet
It's damage feels eh compared to other options
gray shore
i think
the main good thing about spin
is on LC4 you can stay topped up on hp
which is otherwise pretty close to impossible
primal hazel
And the health regain only helps me when I take damage often
gray shore
if you have an easy room you can just top up
primal hazel
Which I will when playing spin
gray shore
otherwise i spam special
primal hazel
Idk what to call them english is not my native language lol
Yep
Tartarus, elysium etc
gray shore
so basically
primal hazel
Areas, biomes
gray shore
lots of games
primal hazel
Whatev
primal hazel
Like traditional storytelling
primal hazel
Imo act sounds dumb in a game environment tho
primal hazel
Since those are more related to gameplay than actual storytelling
primal hazel
Imo act should be relegated to story focused media
primal hazel
I find stage, biome etc more fitting
gray shore
that's what i reckon anyway
primal hazel
Whoa don't use that against me now
gray shore
stage in itself
primal hazel
In my language it's similar enough
gray shore
that's a storytelling reference
primal hazel
Yes
primal hazel
But it's perceived different then an act
primal hazel
That's my point
primal hazel
The environment changes
gray shore
also a theatre reference
primal hazel
Yes
gray shore
in fact, it's pretty much the same theatre reference
primal hazel
But in a different connotation
gray shore
so I guess it's a preference thing
gray shore
I get where you're coming from anyway
primal hazel
Stage and act are very different
gray shore
I didn't mean to overstep