passion flare
#h1-builds-and-combat
solid cairn
opal lodge
with passion flare def
unkempt pagoda
lucifer is basically just worse eris
with the new lucy changes, you don't have to play it like eris anymore :V
opal lodge
i just like stygian with dio cast so i dont just stand around with my pants down
solid cairn
super soaker
opal lodge
waiting for my cast stone
jovial harness
hrm.. +1 cast from chaos or +48% cast damage
vague ermine
im still kinda pissed i wasted 15 titan blood for a piece of garbage
maiden holly
eris > luci > default > hestia for me :P
solid cairn
hestia is good
opal lodge
you're sleeping on hestia
sand sorrel
hestia is good you just need to know how to use it
pliant anvil
luci does wonders with deflect though
opal lodge
hestias a high heat monster
mossy light
hestia isnt good with pacts
unkempt pagoda
leaning into a bursty special build on lucy is the new way to go imo
opal lodge
:^)
solid cairn
hestia can be used like a rail
and it isn't even that much worse as a rail than zag aspect
opal lodge
hestia isnt good with pacts
meanwhile someone just cleared 47 heat with hestia
proven parcel
hestia is great
unkempt pagoda
hestia struggles on like, js and dc lol
but so does every other slow striking weapon
unkempt pagoda
base rail
gross
solid cairn
just shoot em a little then go to town
watch a seeded zag rail run and tell me it sucks
I know this is not a valid argument
opal lodge
LOL
solid cairn
but seriously, watch a seeded speedrun from nighty night it's insane
you basically stack dash strike boons from chaos
unkempt pagoda
unseeded is so much more exciting lol
solid cairn
Vorime managed to beat it in less than 4 minutes
opal lodge
is it just the spreadfire nonsense
solid cairn
still just watching a seeded run for the first time is an experience
yes
nemesis may be faster routed
unseeded also gets frustrating
I actually got a top 30 time recently
unkempt pagoda
unseeded is what the surface is after 483279 months of winter
solid cairn
yes
my heart was beating so god damn fast near the end
I saw vermin and I was like "this is over"
solid cairn
I fluked a 7:58 off recording a week prior and I thought it would be forever till I got another one
mossy light
man, i feel like im too casual for this channel, i kinda wanna just go to weenie hut jrs.
solid cairn
Honestly if you try to go fast you just learn stuff
Just don’t let it ruin your other habits
opal lodge
picks up tidal dash in 32 heat too late
solid cairn
I had that in the eris 32 heat run I just did lol
Tidal dash isn’t bad
It is the second best dash, granted it is still light years behind Athena dash but the same distance above all the others
opal lodge
yeah i just am weak and athena dash is my high heat crutch
spring tree
I just really suck at building, despite having almost 80 hours in this game
heavy umbra
I've made an interesting discovery: Companion Antos can instakill the Sneak.
What's interesting about this is that normally, Achilles and Patroclus can't attack the same target.
But when an enemy disappears then reappears, they count as a different enemy for Antos' targeting.
solid hazel
cool
opal lodge
im p sure they can attack the same target if theres only one target
but i could be wrong
solid hazel
I had thought so too..
opal lodge
only used antos for like 20 something runs before i went crawling back to meg
heavy umbra
Every time I've used Antos against a single enemy, Patroclus jumps on me.
solid hazel
I'm a bouldy man...need my extra 60 darkness a run haha
heavy umbra
I should note that timing is important for the Sneak quick kill. I have had both of them miss, once.
solid hazel
yeah that makes sense
heavy umbra
But it's a pretty consistent way to just not have to fight the Sneak at all.
solid hazel
so do you do it after a melee or ranged attack
heavy umbra
I think it's probably best to summon just as he's attacking the first time.
solid hazel
so that's when he does a ranged attack?
Achilles has enough time to hit him in the recovery?
heavy umbra
Yes, the ranged attack.
opal lodge
sneak you just summon right after he reappears
solid hazel
I guess that's probably before he can summon any adds from middle management too
which is pretty important
spring tree
@solid cairn ye picking boons
spare scaffold
Is the damage boost on Eris only for attack and not global
cunning urchin
Yeah, Antos can attack the same target twice if there's only one.
spare scaffold
jesus no wonder why it tears through everything
So it amplifies bolt damage when you have Thunder Strike ja?
unkempt pagoda
hot take: it should 
opal lodge
like it needs more damage
half crater
hot take: it should also effect damage taken
opal lodge
that is an actual hot take
cunning urchin
lol meanwhile Gilgamesh's effect is only a debuff that you need to actually to enemies first.
That adds only +25% damage.
And that makes them hit you for +50%.
That's not a debuff, that's a buff. 
spare scaffold
I know Maim affects stuff like Doom too
unkempt pagoda
gilgamesh has a rough time, don't make fun of him
spare scaffold
So the one time I ran Gilgamesh with Ares spec was really good
- Impending Doom as well of course
unkempt pagoda
gil is so much more op in fate, jeez
red thunder
What does everyone think of the Cursed Blade upgrade? It heals 2 health for every normal attack hit, but lowers your max health by 60%. It seemed good when I used it, until the final boss. Then everything went very wrong.
opal lodge
i hate it absolutely
unkempt pagoda
only usable with flurry
opal lodge
but thats just my opinion
cunning urchin
It's pretty good.
red thunder
The healing seems good, but burst damage will end a run in seconds with it. I'm not sure how to feel about it.
opal lodge
wait nyaanyaa this was a hot take i wasnt ready for
cunning urchin
Your eHP goes way up, and you can heal up very easily.
opal lodge
i always thought you hated cursed but mightve been some other high heat regular
civic gulch
Hi! New here 🙂 recently did a really fun dodge % run with some Titan Blood on Stygius + a really strong run with the Plume upgraded. Was nearly at 40% dodge and movement speed by the end, and it was very satisfying + the buff that adds damage for any speed boosts. Was dodging stuff left and right.
dry quiver
I don’t know why I keep trying the Anvil. When i’m 50/50 on hammer upgrades i care about, it ALWAYS selects the one I care about. And just now when losing either upgrade wouldn’t hurt, it sticks me with cursed slash(when only 230 ish health) AND hoarding slash(after spending everything and ending up with 134 gold)
rare kayak
oh wow
meg says damn if u lose a dd against alecto
also anvil is extremely meme and pretty much never recommended
waste of 275+ obols
red thunder
Worse than a waste, it can be a detriment.
rare kayak
although, i would take it if it was offered earlier, like tartarus or asphodel
i know what hammer it would hit and i could restructure around the two it gave me
styx is just too late
dry quiver
Honestly I just forgot about those 2 sword upgrades because I rarely see them or take them. Didn’t think whatever upgrade I lost would be seriously downgraded for the only 2 less than ideal upgrades for that moment
I still beat hades, heat 12. Thanks mostly to deflect cast saving me from a dozen spear throws
proud coral
Why do speedrunners run hades trinket?
unkempt pagoda
from what i heard
it affects cast damage, so slinging a hades’d zeus cast into a crowd is a big time save
proud coral
weird, i thought all it did was make zag go invisible
rare kayak
its universal damage
plus it also fills a core slot instead of having it take up a boon
opal lodge
hades call increases all damage for 2 seconds post invis
by 100% at max level
only downside is you cant get smoldering air
proud coral
i was just confused cuz it doesnt say that in game anywhere.. does it?
opal lodge
yeah it's kind of insane
proud coral
neat, i'll play with it more, I didnt know how OP it was
willow fossil
on the actual call slot it says it i believe
proud coral
i was like "its just invis who cares" lmao
opal lodge
with eris rail especially given how quickly you build god gauge
it's almost a permanent +175% global damage boost
proud coral
super wild , i got more things to play with!
vague ermine
wait so hades call+eris rail is good?
vague ermine
damn
opal lodge
hades call is good on pretty much any weapon if you're going for speed and dont need a better call
or dont need another call
proud coral
all you need is tidal dash to win the game 
cunning urchin
All you need is a weapon. Don't need any boons.
spring tree
What is the best hammers for the fists?
untold vortex
which aspect?
Breaching Cross for all aspects
Explosive Upper for Talos and Demeter
toxic rose
I like long knuckle
untold vortex
Long Knuckle for everything that's not 4th aspect
spring tree
Demeter
untold vortex
Concentrated Knuckle for everything that's not 4th apect
spring tree
I am trying to build a Aphrodite build with Demeter aspect
mighty ermine
heavy knuckle is now very good on talos, given you run heartbreak or deadly strike
cloud jungle
Breaching Cross is so good
untold vortex
that's good to know :3
cloud jungle
I'm like "I should really try these other one- breaching cross"
untold vortex
haven't had a chance to try Heavy Knuckle since its buff
cloud jungle
I only get heavy knuckle on Demeter 😄
mighty ermine
it's really fun! makes for some huge crits with talos +50% and everything else
toxic rose
Heavy knuckle isnt good on merciful end build
untold vortex
Pog
spring tree
What kind of builds would you recommend with Demeter aspect?
untold vortex
Merciful end is the go to build
mighty ermine
well yes, heavy knuckle is not used while chasing ME
mighty ermine
demeter doesn't need explosive upper though
toxic rose
mighty ermine
it's just good on it if you get it lol
spring tree
Ye, I need all the help I can get, lmao. I am spear main.
spring tree
I got Aphrodite as first boon, so I have to work with her lol. She is on special, which is not ideal
mighty ermine
heartbreak flourish is still good on demeter fists
mighty ermine
that's actually good lol
curse of agony is surprisingly good on fists in terms of dps
even without ME
spring tree
ME? I feel like a noob lmao
untold vortex
Merciful End
mighty ermine
you wouldn't want heartbreak strike on demeter fists anyways without heavy knuckle
spring tree
Arh fair
Man, I can't even get streaks on this game - I find it so hard to make good builds.
mighty ermine
you'll get the hang of it
experimenting on your own helps a ton in terms of feeling out what works
cloud jungle
don't listen to us
just don't worry, play the game
have fun
you'll see what works for you
cloud jungle
streaks don't mean anything
spring tree
I also had to go on God Mode, because I never progressed further with the story, which totally made me loose interest. Now I got it back, because I turned God Mode on, making me progress a bit easier
cloud jungle
I could get infinite streak on easy mode 🙂
Just keep practicing
and as Hypnos would say
have you tried getting out of the way?
cloud jungle
you may think you're a tank when you're super strong
but you'll still need to evade 😉
spring tree
I am glad though I went on God mode or easy mode - I finally progressed on the story which made me pick up the game
again
true haha
toxic rose
Mirror upgrade goes a long way
toxic rose
Getting fated persuasion is the key for build consistency
spring tree
Ye but the thing is
cloud jungle
You don't need FP
toxic rose
Also self control in selecting boons in your run
spring tree
I just couldn't get past Hades, no matter what I did, so I got super frustrated and turned it on
I just wanted to get the story
toxic rose
Once u dilute your god pool its hard to get the god u want
cloud jungle
@toxic rose how else am I going to get 5 duo runs? 🙂
toxic rose
Hmm I'm having bad results with dio cast
Cant get consistent run
Mainly cant get extra stones
median lintel
does hermes also have some duo and legendary boons?
i dont think he's ever given me either
mighty ermine
he has two legendary boons which differ depending on whether you have infernal soul or stygian soul active in your mirror
no duos
mighty ermine
for sure yeah
toxic rose
The other one is just flat 50% cast dmg
mighty ermine
specifically on foes without a cast embedded in them already
otherwise the boost doesn't apply
so it synergizes very well with casts that don't lodge, like blade rifts or crystal beam
cunning urchin
+50% is by definition not flat.
median lintel
i see
still vigil
legendaries are fickle
but have you ever tried intentionally building for crystal beam?
red thunder
My first win was with a crystal beam build. It was pretty effective, lots of passive damage.
still vigil
it's effective but not reliable x.x
red thunder
Really? I found it worked pretty well. I also got a duo skill that made it track better, so that may have helped.
still vigil
lemme clarify: it requires too many boons to be good and a build to consistently aim for
red thunder
That makes sense. It seems like it requires a lot.
still vigil
it's godly if you get everything in line
red thunder
Having an extra cast and faster tracking is really good, but that's not gonna show up very often. I get it.
still vigil
it is
id say its one of those things that's as hard to get like legendary boons
except aphro legend for me
gg she just does not wanna drop fer me
red thunder
Still haven't gotten a Legendary boon. No clue what the boons needed are to get them, as I've tried to avoid looking things up.
Something to look forward to. There's so much to this game, I love it.
still vigil
this is a game that has quite a bit of experimentation
i would say fer me it was beneficial to look at the codex not only to figure out what boons unlocks the potential to get others
but also know which boons will not synergize at all
red thunder
Oh yeah, I forgot that the codex shows that. I'll have to check it out when I play the game again.
still vigil
even then, i still feel like i havent tried everything
proven osprey
Yeah there is a lot of things to try and I don't even know where to start
still vigil
use a weapon aspect u hate and choose no god keepsake
proven osprey
I don't think there is an aspect I hate
proven osprey
32 heat no keepsake 
still vigil
cannotrelate
harsh pasture
You need so many stupid Demeter boons to go correctly
still vigil
how about this?
someone try out Dio on Achilles special
proven osprey
eh
boreal ermine
I saw a fun quake cutter talos aspect build the other day
half crater
how about this?
someone try out Dio on Achilles special
... why tho
red thunder
What does everyone think of a Special build with the Twin Fists. I've gotten about 650 with a single hit so far, but I feel like it can get a lot higher. It's probably been my favorite so far, though I always lose with it towards the end as I get way too aggressive.
boreal ermine
It's fun dropping back down to 0 heat again after doing 32. Feel like you've just got out of a high gravity training room
boreal ermine
@red thunder demeter twin fists is great for a special build imo
red thunder
Haven't tried it with Demeter yet. I always went with Artemis for the crits.
boreal ermine
Sorry I mean demeter aspect
still vigil
gilgamesh but special only
red thunder
Oh, that makes more sense.
boreal ermine
Artemis is good for boon
still vigil
ares boon
half crater
oh no
red thunder
There's just something fun about uppercutting something and seeing a big 600 pop up.
half crater
its like, dash only gilg? nah nah
gilg but you aren't allowed to dash
only special
still vigil
i mean i didnt say not dash yet
half crater
fr tho how hard do you reckon dashless would be
still vigil
hmm
half crater
i feel like it'd be pretty terrifying tbh
boreal ermine
Arthur for a dash less build
still vigil
if you can get a good hermes maybe not so bad?
red thunder
I feel like any build dashless would be terrifying.
still vigil
not if you have the power of deflect and love on yer side
boreal ermine
Stock up on defence and revenge boons
red thunder
I'd probably still lose. Still fairly new, die to Theseus half the time.
still vigil
You can tank like nobody's business with aphro combined with demeter or athena
still vigil
add Sturdy to that 😩 👌🏿
half crater
this is a job for chaos aspect methinks
red thunder
I'm gonna guess that heat 32 is an absolute nightmare. Some of those challenges seem brutal.
still vigil
32 is a challenge fer some aspects but still can be done
winter carbon
It is a bit of a puzzle to figure out what heat modifiers fit you best
still vigil
if ya dun get hit
half crater
most aspects can do 32 fairly well, tho it isn't necessarily easy
its more 40+ that we start to see some fall away
still vigil
fer me, im like im using maim anyways might as well max out HL
red thunder
I don't remember the aspect, but there's one of the spear that lets you deal increased damage after landing a spin. Is it any good? It seems pretty good.
half crater
maim plus HL5 sounds like pain lol
boreal ermine
Hades spear
still vigil
not if you got tank
red thunder
That's the one.
proven osprey
I don't remember the aspect, but there's one of the spear that lets you deal increased damage after landing a spin. Is it any good? It seems pretty good.
Hades yeah, it is good
half crater
there's a reason people don't really use special on higher heats with gilg
boreal ermine
It's not as good as it sounds, but it's alright
It doesn't boost damage on the spin attack, so you can't spam it
still vigil
ive tanked things i shouldnt have with gilgamesh lol
half crater
Hades spear has the current heat WR
winter carbon
Just dont get hit and you can maim anything 
half crater
so yeah i'd say its alright lol
boreal ermine
Does it? Wow, What makes it good at high heat?
still vigil
my maim qualm with gilga is the air time after using special
half crater
lots of damage? idk honestly
untold vortex
4th bow has heat wr for 1.0
untold vortex
Tailesque did 55 heat with it
boreal ermine
Yeh I can see Rama bow have it
still vigil
you cant dash at all so it def makes using special a hazrd like everyone said
yea rama is good allround
can honestly stand by itself with lil boon investment
half crater
okay i'm getting confused; i thought there was a 55 hades run
mb
yeah it was 4th bow
still vigil
not many aspects can do that
boreal ermine
Yeh I was gonna say.. Hades spear is fine but its not amazing
half crater
hades aspect has broken 50 tho, and that's not insignificant
looks like we've only got Rama, Eris, Hades and Demeter up there atm
so its safe to say its one of the better aspects
red thunder
Well, good to know my investments weren't in vain then.
Of course, early on I feel like everything is viable, so I guess it doesn't matter as much.
still vigil
i take offense to only one of the hidden aspects being up there
like dang are the other that hard to work with XD
half crater
i take offense to no shields tbh
i mean, the answer is kinda yeah
arthur, gilg and lucifer all get hit hard by high heat
beo will likely make it up there eventually if i had to guess
idk about GY
that weapon is an enigma to me
proven osprey
well
according to the boons you get (and hammers), GY can be a worst Hades
this is how I feel
still vigil
now that i think about it, i havent seen anyone build fer beo's atk
proven osprey
it's extremely easy to die too. I'm not that good but sometimes even Learnie fight is challenging
still vigil
imma try that
half crater
do it
still vigil
ii will
half crater
dragon rush actually does a solid amount of damage
i like me some crits on it, personally
but i've only ever used it as a supplementary thing
half crater
i'm not sure how its similar to gilg but okay
still vigil
outside of the dragon rush they work similar to me
half crater
i mean, outside of beo's cast and special (and the fact it can block) i guess i can see that?
but beo's cast and special are pretty important to it
still vigil
ignore the massive oversight on my part
rare kayak
i know nyaanyaa did beowulf like 45 heat or something with charged flight and aphro special
ah, 52
but that was pre 1.0
lusty sequoia
How do you win with sword?
rare kayak
reduce the enemy's hp to 0
lusty sequoia
It’s my favourite but I’ve only won with spear and possibly now
Bow*
Ok how do I do that
dusky nimbus
if your struggling with the sword i suggest you take more defensive gods, Athena dash and call with Aphrodite attack and cast, Ares special for damage
this way you can also get curse of longing duo between ares and Aphrodite to get constant doom damage
if u cant get this specific formation, Athena special or cast is also fine, for calls ares or Poseidon can also work. If you have alot of Aphrodite you might also get her legendary which has a 15% to charm enemies which effectively stuns them for short while
Athena and Aphrodite Boons have very high base damage so you arent lacking in the early game if u go for them first, and I do reccomend you find one of them first
@lusty sequoia
peak elbow
Do you need a clear with Stygius to get the Poseidon aspect?
peak elbow
I was going to advise him to wait for the aspect of Poseidon then, that single aspect turned the sword into my favorite weapon
ivory lichen
there seemed to be a debate on the most useless duo boon and so far i think unshakable mettle is leading lol
cunning urchin
Unshakable Mettle is great, though.
ivory lichen
yeah
especially against hades
i have a burning hatred against smoldering air . why does it exist 
cunning urchin
?
boreal ermine
Smoldering g air is great
cunning urchin
It's one of the best boons in the game.
ivory lichen
yeah i guess i just never really used it properly
ivory lichen
i see how its great tho especially with aphrodite call
cunning urchin
Every 5 seconds, but you still build gauge normally.
You also get i-frames up activation of any call, so in addition to the huge DPS increase you can get, it covers you when your dashes are on cooldown.
boreal ermine
Calculated risk is probably my least favourite duo
boreal ermine
That's pretty boring too
barren otter
Does Unshakable Mettle act as Sturdy (except the dmg reduction)? I always feel like it doesn't and you can still get interrupted with it.
boreal ermine
I'm not sure being interrupted is the same as stunned
barren otter
the only things I can think of where it does anything are: Aphrodite's trial, wringers, Tisiphone, Hades pots and the pulses when he is doing the laser attack in EM4.
just way too niche to exist, it can only really be meaningful in the final fight.
dusky nimbus
well it is better damage reduction than bronze skin
barren otter
but only on bosses. And it's an entire duo boon.
does it even work on Charon and Tiny Vermin?
dusky nimbus
i'd say this is a boon that i'll only take if it pops up my chance, its not something i would take often
barren otter
it used to be 5% boss damage reduction before 1.0
dusky nimbus
for me i kind of dont really like cold embrace
like i get that your lazers and cast dmg is increase but i dont think i like the playstyle very much
cause your lazers will not go through you, so u must be behind the enemy to use it right
jovial harness
Most noticeable if you try to do something like spear spin or sword special while in a bad position
lusty sequoia
Thanks @dusky nimbus, I’ve never really thought of taking athena’s call before but I guess it lets you just wail on enemies hey
gray shore
wow I didn't actually realise that Unshakeable mettle stopped you from being staggered
that seems a lot stronger in my estimation now
how often do you guys find yourself taking the daedalus swap? seems like one of the higher RNG potential decisions in a run
cunning urchin
Rarely, but it can be really good.
Sometimes you make it far with meh hammers, and buying the Anvil can ensure everything goes smoothly from there.
gray shore
Feel like whenever I haven't pulled up the list of hammers and swap
I just get ambushed by an unforeseen hammer that makes my build worse
xD
cunning urchin
lol
gray shore
I rolled into act 4 cursed slash and
cunning urchin
Knowing your options definitely helps.
gray shore
well let's say 80 max hp threw me off for the final fight
cunning urchin
Cursed Slash is great. But I can see how it can throw you off to suddenly get that lol.
gray shore
I'm sure if you get it early
and build around it
it's a great hammer
I'm a fan of GY so, low max hp isn't something that intimidates me or anything
thank you for your insight as always
cunning urchin
Guan Yu with High Confidence and just ignoring every Centaur Heart and whatever is fun lol.
cunning urchin
You'll still pick up some here and there inevitably.
gray shore
that sounds like a fun challenge tho
proven osprey
Just don't get hit
gray shore
speedrun low heat with GY
ignore as many hp increases as possible
don't buy centaur heart/ soul etc
cunning urchin
If you've done any Pierced Butterfly runs with Guan Yu, it's really just that.
gray shore
i have to say I have not
my only pieced butterfly runs were on gun and bow
so far ;)
still got a couple levels of keepsakes to level
proven osprey
Guan Yu is a gun basically
cunning urchin
That reminds me, I need to redo 32 Guan Yu because I forgot to turn on High Confidence when I did it.
proven osprey
The main difference being FO
Yeah ok
That 38 could be 41 but adding max TD is a bit tough
proven osprey
Ok, I'll keep trying !
gray shore
Good luck!
don't forget to pray to
you believe in bouldy, and he believes in you
(I secretly believe that Bouldy is the first incarnation of RNGesus)
proven osprey
Maybe high confidence would be "easier" than max HP ? @cunning urchin
Of course
Bouldy is clutch
cunning urchin
No, it's not easier lol.
gray shore
Any alternative openers for Nemesis/Poseidon sword? I just find myself taking Arty Arrowhead every opener
proven osprey
But yeah 25hp is like one hit you're dead haha
gray shore
is ME good with sword?
proven osprey
Yeah it is
gray shore
Okay so there is potential value in opening Ares/Athena
cunning urchin
There is always value in starting with the Owl Pendant.
gray shore
Yeah I mean, Athena was my first keepsake that I defaulted to, because who doesn't like divine dash
then I decided to branch out
spare scaffold
I just realised something about Lucifer, the Hellfires can apply status debuffs with its aura alone and all damage including damage from enemies will ignite them
so Triple Bomb on the Lucifer can basically create a debuffing minefield
rare kayak
anyone know if repulse shot works with pos related boons
sweet blade
Can doom damage crit?
solid cairn
Gonna try beo 32 heat
cunning urchin
Doom can crit, yes.
sweet blade
Quick question: if I equip a gods keepsake and they're not supposed to appear this run, can I find multiple boons from them or just the one I'm guaranteed to?
spare scaffold
afaik they would replace another god in the pool so in other words once you equip the keepsake they'll keep appearing later
spare scaffold
But it's still down to luck whether they'd be in Styx or not
If they aren't you could use Fated Authority to force them
If you run Fated Persuasion, welp
sweet blade
I have the other one to force specific ares boons
spare scaffold
..I could be wrong though so here's to a second opinion
sweet blade
how was that bad langage?
cunning urchin
They don't replace one, they just get added and can appear again.
spare scaffold
ohhh wait does that mean I can actually expand the pool with god keepsakes?
that's.. actually not as good as replacing
cunning urchin
Yes.
spare scaffold
though if I use keepsakes in Tartarus/Asphodel I can still only get 25% from FF at most, 99% of the time
sweet blade
Do they stay in the pool if you unequip the keepsake
cunning urchin
@amber jackal knows better how exactly all of that works.
spare scaffold
there might be one time I managed 30% without deliberately picking a keepsake after the current god pool is known
sweet blade
I used the vial in tartarus and replaced it afterwards, which was when the boons stopped
solid cairn
how good is phalanx shot
proven osprey
Hera staple
cunning urchin
Not sure about speedruns, but it's amazing at high heat for melee aspects.
proven osprey
bonks
solid cairn
Not sure about speedruns, but it's amazing at high heat for melee aspects.
@cunning urchin wdym
mellow quest
It's a little slow if your goal is speedrunning but it's still fast enough for high heat imo
cunning urchin
I'm saying I dunno how good the DPS is compared to Electric Shot.
But for melee, it lets you engage any enemy groups perfectly safely.
Just throw it out and dash after it.
solid cairn
seems not very good on a dedicated cast build
mellow quest
Parting shot says hi
spare scaffold
Oh yeah speaking of which which cast duos don't work on Hera/Beowulf
solid cairn
I am trying hard to get into cast aspects now lol
spare scaffold
I was surprised to know that Mirage Cast was actually not restricted
mellow quest
You don't even need to position right with phalanx parting shot, it backstabs from any angle
solid cairn
maybe I shouldn't be jumping into 32 heat with something I'm not the best at lol
cunning urchin
32 is good practice.
solid cairn
I really like base flood shot
open heron
What do y'all think of the lucifer aspect?
proven osprey
well
I'm running it atm
On a pinky boi run, only aphro boons
that's what I think of it
mellow quest
They buffed the special speed and it's so fast now
It's still a kind of awkward aspect to use but it's cool
solid cairn
why do I attack every time I dash strike when I have flurry jab
open heron
I'm trying to figure out what rail aspect to max out first. Eris seems pretty good too, idk
mellow quest
Eris is the good choice, Hestia is the fun choice
solid cairn
eris is fun
open heron
There's so much cool stuff to unlock, not enough free time to play hades 😭
solid cairn
honestly I may want to go stubborn with these new things I'm trying lol
I am so bad at this lmao
solid cairn
ok infernal soul beowulf is fun
grim dune
mechanics question
With chaos boons that boost, say attack or special by a %
does that include riders on your attack? Mostly I'm thinking Zeus lightning proc on my attack/special
grim dune
ok thanks
solid cairn
stuff like the eris buff will tho
grim dune
magetic cutter? Wording is take more attack and cast damage.
grim dune
k thanks
solid cairn
most percent increases are adding onto base damage
crits are one of the only multiplicative damage sources
surreal wasp
when you're inflicting multiple stacks of hangover, does the duration of all of them get refreshed, or are they tracked separately?
turbid needle
Sooo flurry shot + chain shot on the bow is amazing
eager grail
which weapon is best with hunting blades?
pliant anvil
I would guess achilles spear due to the big damage boost.
devout ether
when you're inflicting multiple stacks of hangover, does the duration of all of them get refreshed, or are they tracked separately?
@surreal wasp New instances of hangover do not overwrite old instances of hangover
So you pretty much never want to have two different ways of applying hangover
cunning urchin
They do, actually.
Once you reach the cap, new Hangover stacks will overwrite old stacks.
still estuary
One message removed from a suspended account.
cunning urchin
Yeah, ellomenop looked into that recently.
cunning urchin
Not a buff, just the person who did the research before apparently made some mistake and no one ever bothered verifying it lol.
Dionysus' Aid is one of the best calls in the game anyway lol.
cunning urchin
It does.
devout ether
Why couldnt it apply when you end the dash
fading skiff
are divine dash and ruthless reflex good together?
devout ether
I mean, Divine Dash is good with everything
cunning urchin
When not in doubt, also get Divine Dash.
surreal wasp
is it just me or is Pressure Points pretty weak
cunning urchin
Doesn't matter if it hits fast or slow.
turbid needle
I think pressure points is really strong
proven parcel
I like it with fists or chiron
turbid needle
Just stack poms on it whenever possible and its great supplementary damage for any weapon with many hits like the rail
proven parcel
Oh and eris
cunning urchin
Poms on it are quite the waste tbh.
proven parcel
Might as well use the poms for anything
It's always 1% iirc
Use it for the main damage source
turbid needle
Ahg suppose that's true even though I love the crits
The more you learn
But still, that's a universal 7%
cunning urchin
? +7% crit chance is +14% damage on average.
turbid needle
It applies to lightning bolts, poison, base damage
surreal wasp
aren't crits triple damage?
cunning urchin
Other things scale way better, though.
surreal wasp
the tooltip says +200%
anyway just seems like if you wanted a crit build you'd be way better off getting deadly strike which is 15% right from the start
cunning urchin
1 * .93 + 3 * .07 = 1.14.
cunning urchin
Pressure Points is just a nice passive to have. Nothing too big, but just good enough to be noticeable.
Nice for cast builds.
Requirement for Fully Loaded, too.
Unfortunately not for her Duo Boons.
turbid needle
Wow I've never gotten fully loaded
Looks insane
Wait I have
I probably got it in a build that didn't use casts so didn't bother to remember
spring tree
Best hammers for Rail? Aspect is Eris
solid cairn
rocket, cluster, targeting system, triple bomb, delta chamber
quasi heath
I have a hard time getting the 4th aspect of rail to work--any suggestions or is it all and all not great? I keep doing Eris instead but I dunno, I always feel weak (but somehow my clears are usually pretty fast? haha)
Rocket is probably the best
cunning urchin
No one's really put in enough work with it to really solve the aspect, I'm afraid. At least no one I know of.
quasi heath
I also like the riccochet if I have something like, ares on attack
No one's really put in enough work with it to really solve the aspect, I'm afraid. At least no one I know of.
@cunning urchin OK I feel less bad finding it clumsy and slow
cunning urchin
I think the common concensus is it's very difficult to make the Special work on pad. But maybe the buff in the latest patch helps.
But gonna take somebody to really put in the time to look into it.
quasi heath
Well, one less aspect to max then XD
I want hestia to work, but it just seems far slower than ERis for clearing rooms quick
cunning urchin
Well.
Eris is the #1 aspect right now without question.
Until maybe extremely high heats where it falls down a little bit, hard to say. But it's still at the very least among the top there, too.
quasi heath
W/O rocket upgrade it seems rough for me to use, but I still have my highest heat (14) with it, so > >
unkempt pagoda
No one's really put in enough work with it to really solve the aspect, I'm afraid. At least no one I know of.
me, winning a 40 heat with lucy
cunning urchin
But you wouldn't say you've solved it, would you.
unkempt pagoda
the perfect key is divine flourish with triple inferno, but just triple is fine
cunning urchin
There's way too many build possibilities to solve it so quickly.
unkempt pagoda
likely zeus strike as well, now that i’m trying to do 45 with it
cunning urchin
Lightning Strike is like the one tried-and-true build lol. And now your build for 40 Heat.
I still think Lightning Strike is probably far from optimal. Doesn't mean it doesn't work, of course. It's clearly effective.
unkempt pagoda
lightning strike is to tide you over while you’re trying to build the special :V
the special takes a while to get to its peak, so i found it was kinda screwing me over if i didn’t get lightning strike in tart and just focused in on special building immediately
cunning urchin
Hmm. I'd look more into Heartbreak Strike or Deadly Strike, personally, to make use of that ramp damage.
unkempt pagoda
divine flourish is probably the best compromise of offense and defense, which lucy still really needs (sgg why can’t the laser destroy projectiles 
)
cunning urchin
Deadly Strike + Divine Flourish for Deadly Reversal sounds nice.
unkempt pagoda
actually, getting deadly for reversal would be interesting
cunning urchin
Yeah.
unkempt pagoda
getting a good strike boon is key bc if you get locked out of triple in tart, your next bet is flash fire
proven osprey
Do you like heartbreak on Lucifer ?
unkempt pagoda
god forbid you get something like triple beam, might as well start over lol
proven osprey
I feel like you kinda need the crit
cunning urchin
I don't like heartbreak. I do like Heartbreak Strike. 
unkempt pagoda
hb flourish is an interesting idea with weak and such, but i'm not sure if that would be enough to patch up lucy's poor defenses
cunning urchin
Divine Dash is your defense.
unkempt pagoda
quickly putting out 3 towers of "no u" in 3 seconds is a massive boon lol
obviously the play here is to grab tempest strike and get unshakeable mettle
quartz frost
should i go for stubborn roots cuz i think its pretty good but i dont see many people enjoying it
quartz frost
is it hard to find
opal lodge
does a lot if you're running stubborn defiance
turbid needle
Legit,didn't consider that
turbid needle
I'd believe it considering how easy it is to get
quartz frost
not for me ._.
turbid needle
You just need a frost attack/special and an athena special/attack
Or their aids also work
You probably never take athena attack or special, so it never shows up
So just take athena's aid when you see it
quartz frost
i usually take her dash
turbid needle
Oh that should work too
quartz frost
bruh i can only use demeters cast rn ;-;
ill just get a ton of max health tbh and i will be fine
turbid needle
Why can you only use the cast lol
quartz frost
well nvm now i sold an aid and got her again it took some time doe
timber oyster
Is Athena attack best for Guan Yu?
quasi heath
What are people's favorite shield aspects and build? The 4th I can't seem to... work nicely, I think the best/most fun I've had was Zeus (with zeus special, since it just hits over and over)
but dunno what is best for clearing
(and I always love the charged shot if I can get it!)
distant oar
YO if I take the Athena boons that give dd when im at full dd already, what happens?
quasi heath
YO if I take the Athena boons that give dd when im at full dd already, what happens?
@distant oar nothing
You get the +invuln or healing
distant oar
You don’t get 4 lives?
quasi heath
Nope, you can with Chaos's legendary tho
quasi heath
(And unlike Skelly's trinket, you can refill it if you lose it)
opal lodge
4th is nice with dio or aphro cast
those seem to be the most popular
aspect of chaos is nice with either zeus or ares special
quasi heath
Im thinking I might not like chaos, i feel like I might be bad at hitting them with bull rush then it seems like, you need to turn around and then special and the timing is limited
opal lodge
yeah thats the most common attack cycle
but you just need to hit the 180 before the special to shotgun them
quasi heath
practicing on skelly I seem to always miss the two shields on the end
seems .... bad lol
opal lodge
its ok
as long as you hit most of them
your special isnt actually doing the damage, you just want something with flat damage on it
e.g. zeus/ares/dio (kinda)
quasi heath
If you get charged shot, which is a personal fave, you can still then fire off the shields?
opal lodge
yes
quasi heath
Because then it seems like I could block, fire that, then hit without needing to turn
Because that sounds yummy
opal lodge
as long as you get that purple static-y visual effect around you
that means youve charged and your next throw will be multiple shields
quasi heath
i got a hammer right away, sudden rush, dread flight, dashing wallop
I imagine dread flight only counts for the normal special throw like always, so doesn't seem good. I'm thinking sudden rush, or does that make it too difficult to dash thru and be close enough to turn around?
north panther
I just realized the Blast Wave hammer doesn't do damage even if it smacks an enemy into the wall :c
For Rama
north panther
Really? Hrmn, I'm not getting em close enough I guess
sweet blade
Does main incease ALL damage the target takes?
unkempt pagoda
if it just says "takes more damage" then yes
i don't think it specifies which damage is increased
vagrant olive
How to beat last boss? My heart is litterally beating when i fight them and im too tired after elysium
The skulls bothers me the most
opal lodge
dont worry about the skulls tbh
unless you can burst them down you're wasting your time
and the wave is easy enough to dodge with 1 dash
mossy light
youllget the hang of his rhythm eventually until then, upgrade your death defiances and mirror
proven osprey
do you guys try to powershot with Rama ?
mossy light
dodgeshot with rama, regular shot is slow
quasi heath
nothing like having 2 different chaos negatives on you at the same time going into a boss xD
mighty ermine
do you guys try to powershot with Rama ?
@proven osprey yes
vagrant olive
Oh ive acutally been using stubborn difence
proven osprey
Ok, yeah dash strike seems right
vagrant olive
I found myself dying too often without it
unkempt pagoda
a true high heat player
proven osprey
truth has been spoken
mighty ermine
of course there are times where you don't need to, like with exalted souls and low health/low armor foes, but most of the time definitely
proven osprey
yeah sure
mossy light
death defiance is generally better until you get to superhigh heat
opal lodge
death defiance is def better until high heat
normal encounters just arent hard enough to justify taking SD
vagrant olive
Im just big noob lol
unkempt pagoda
tail is gonna flex on all of us by beating 55 using standing rama shots only
opal lodge
its ok you will get there
vagrant olive
Also the 80% revieve i can get from the ??? Guy is pretty nice
Lasts me quite a ling way
opal lodge
lol if he's still ??? Guy you probably just need to play more
proven osprey
about Rama
vagrant olive
I bought the game ysterday haha
proven osprey
Idk if the special bounces ?
vagrant olive
Im very much hooked on it.
fossil compass
this channel is spoilers allowed @vagrant olive
mighty ermine
it does, to nearby adjacent foes to the one you hit directly
fossil compass
might want to uh, be careful
fossil compass
enjoy the game!
opal lodge
it also bounces off walls
unkempt pagoda
you can spam into a hades pillar and still hit him
unkempt pagoda
very useful while he's lasering
fossil compass
so, sigil of the dead. The wiki description is kinda weird... does it give you +100% damage bonus, multiplicative, all inclusive (things like lightning etc) on the first attack when you go out of invis?
fossil compass
and at max gauge, it's basically invincibility and bonus damage for 5s?
proven osprey
Do you care about special tho ? Or is it just a shared suffering applier ?
opal lodge
2 seconds
unkempt pagoda
rama special is what chain triple wants to be 
fossil compass
WHAT
fossil compass
so 100% damage for 2s?
opal lodge
yes
fossil compass
I literally have NEVER used it
mighty ermine
the ingame description for how sigil works is not great, regarding how you get the boost for 2 seconds regardless of whether you break invis early
fossil compass
so the invis last 2s --> i break it --> I get 2s damage bonus?
unkempt pagoda
wording issues? in hades™️? never
mighty ermine
yeah
opal lodge
i think its from when you invis
mighty ermine
lol
opal lodge
so like you press call
proven osprey
Oh
fossil compass
call -> instant dps --> 100% damage?
unkempt pagoda
the only thing that breaks on a strike is the invis
proven osprey
I thought you got one attack boosted and 5s if great call
devout ether
this is so broken
@fossil compass It really isnt
mighty ermine
you can notice a dark ring on the ground around zagreus while the buff is active; it stays even after invis and the visual effect goes away with the buff
opal lodge
the description is just bad
proven osprey
sigh
devout ether
It's on average worse than Athena's Aid
fossil compass
but 100% attack for 2s! and you start at 30%
mighty ermine
yeah, sigil is great for speed
we all thought it was total garbage before discovering the buff worked for the full 2s
fossil compass
I... have used athena call like, twice maybe? Why is it so great?
devout ether
The best thing about Sigil is that it blocks off one of your boon slots for when you go Duo hunting
proven osprey
Last question about Rama. Deadly strike, heartbreak flourish, some Athena and I'm good ?
fossil compass
oh god am I missing so many things
devout ether
I... have used athena call like, twice maybe? Why is it so great?
@fossil compass It makes you completely invulnerable but you still get to attack and do DPS as normal
unkempt pagoda
free panic button and free opportunity to go ham on an enemy lol
devout ether
Last question about Rama. Deadly strike, heartbreak flourish, some Athena and I'm good ?
@proven osprey P much yeah
mighty ermine
Last question about Rama. Deadly strike, heartbreak flourish, some Athena and I'm good ?
@proven osprey yeah, deadly strike is ideal, heartbreak flourish is good if you think you can net Heart Rend, otherwise go for dio, zeus, ares
dio in particular for splitting headache
unkempt pagoda
20 seconds of literally no damage is p good
devout ether
If you get twin shot with rama you basically autowin
stark ore
How good Athena's call is comes down to your build, if you get Smoldering Air with the call then it's busted but most of the time it just depends on how much DPS you can squeeze out in those seconds
fossil compass
thanks friends, I'll give those a try
mighty ermine
just extra flat damage for free on a special that's extremely weak to begin with
proven osprey
Yeah makes sense
red hound
anyone has a good quan yu build
proven osprey
definetely not for lightning rod 
red hound
can't really seem to get spear right
stark ore
Deadly/Divine Strike, Heartbreak Flourish, Charged Skewer
devout ether
anyone has a good quan yu build
@red hound Cross your fingers and get charged skewer
red hound
oh so u don't go the spin route?
proven osprey
For GY, I like the classic Deadly flourish. Charged skewer is the best hammer you can get. Aphro/Athena attack
proven osprey
The spin is really good but not your dps tool
devout ether
Hades Aspect doesnt exist
stark ore
If you get Quick Spin on GY then the spin attack can be great, but usually you wanna rely on your special and sometimes attack
mighty ermine
hades does great damage, you just have to know how to use it
unkempt pagoda
In fact, never spin with any spear
is this a ploy to get dad to stop spinning so much
unkempt pagoda
there's literally nothing as fun on spear as the spin attack lol
red hound
I do that but like
unkempt pagoda
if i get a chance to build it, i'm taking it
red hound
when I fight elysium bosses
devout ether
Spin then dash guys
@proven osprey With GY that is guaranteed to get you hit
red hound
they have do no damage
stark ore
Hades is best for getting tons of enemies at once then killing them off, Achilles is better for single-target damage
proven osprey
Yeah I was refering to Hades
mighty ermine
it's funny how so many players call the spin clunky and dangerous when it's honestly extremely flexible with varying charge level release and the dash spin tech
proven osprey
But even with GY it's good
red hound
spin is fine honestly
proven osprey
I played a lot of it
mighty ermine
slap deadly strike on hades aspect, even without serrated point you'll do good damage
proven osprey
You can get your spin out really fast and the dash thing is great
unkempt pagoda
the real play here is quick massive spin on hades
nothing as satisfying in the game, really
mighty ermine
i hope they never fix the fact that massive quick hades aspect spins disappear halfway through the animation
red hound
I've been taking athena attack on hades spear
proven osprey
ah
stark ore
Does Hades really need massive spin though? Seems like the normal spin is good enough
mighty ermine
it doesn't need it, no
unkempt pagoda
(the worst part about flaring spin is how it dilutes the pool so you can't get quick massive as easily)
mighty ermine
it's just funny to run
turbid needle
Hades needs fast spin to be really good
mighty ermine
it doesn't.
unkempt pagoda
it doesn't
proven parcel
Hades needs you to know how to spin
turbid needle
Well, it can be good without the quick spin but it's really damn good with it. I think it's the single best daedelus for that aspect
proven parcel
Don't be brain dead
stark ore
Quick Spin definitely helps but if you're good with spins then it's not needed
turbid needle
Bruh chill I'm just saying it's the best spin for making it viable
unkempt pagoda
what kind of son would zag be if he didn't know how to spin
proven osprey
Idk if I should get good or try anything else than Aphro/Arte on GY
turbid needle
Im not brain dead lmao
devout ether
I know exactly when to spin! Never. Never spin is when.
fossil compass
none of the spears are particularly good ngl
proven parcel
Spin when to
stark ore
I mean Athena is good for dash and maybe attack but usually Arte/Aphro is all you need
fossil compass
if you get quick reload on achilles it's great for cast build, but other than that, meh
GY is my most hated aspect
proven osprey
It does not feel very safe
proven parcel
I hate gy
proven osprey
at 40+ heat
proven parcel
It's just unsafe
mighty ermine
GY is rough at 40+
stark ore
Demeter/Ares are really the only casts I've been able to use with Achilles since they don't get stuck in enemies
proven parcel
For what you get for gy
mighty ermine
not just because of the health reduction
red hound
40+ heat sucks
proven osprey
GY is rough at 40+
@mighty ermine This is what I'm trying to achieve atm lol
proven parcel
It doesn't make up for what you lise
red hound
its the "just take everything" territory
proven parcel
Losing 50% hp for a meh life steal is rough
proven osprey
Yeah you get used to the health reduction
stark ore
Hades/Achilles are much more reliable on 40+, though Hades is probably better to manage things like Jury Summons
mighty ermine
yeah, hades spin is fantastic for crowd control
red hound
as much as I hate gun