Weak is good on like everything
#h1-builds-and-combat
proven parcel
ocean mango
Does holding attack while dashing with the fists (to perform a dash-attack while in the dash) remove some or all of the iframes of the dash?
half light
well i have no issue with taking too much damage, i usually get with full health and full death defiances to hades with o issues
half light
so thats why i usually prioritize other boons
ocean mango
Doesn't aphro have the biggest % damage up boons?
boreal ermine
Aphrodite also has the highest damage scaling on her attack and special boons
proven parcel
Zeus with the right build I prefer
But if I'm just going safe
Aphro is the go to
unkempt scroll
If going safe, I prefer Athena. Athena is probably my favorite. I'm looking for the divine strike x)
proven parcel
Athena dash is the safest
unkempt scroll
Though, I think divine strike fits better when fast attack (currently using fists)
unkempt scroll
Already got the dash :p
unkempt scroll
Hmm, maybe. But so far dash doesn't like me, so I think I'd prefer to have divine strike.
half light
which dash mirror aspect do you use?
ocean mango
Is there a resource somewhere for in-depth details of the combat mechanics around dashing/attacking/buffers etc?
half light
double or dodge?
proven osprey
Double mandatory
half light
aye
proven osprey
For specific builds ruthless is ok tho
left peak
Guys, I have the sword with aspect of nemesis and hade's doom. Early in the run
https://i.imgur.com/mRidXZx.png
unkempt scroll
Hah. I just beat Thanatos 33/10 x)
dull sundial
@left peak Well, if you get the boon where Doom stacks with multiple hits, I'd say Double Edge. Otherwise, it's probably not useful with that or Flurry Slash. I'd probably take Dash Nova for mobility and the Sturdy buff.
proven osprey
i got 54-0 the other day, biggest achievement
dull sundial
Though I'm a big fan of Artemis' Seeking Arrows. If you can try to get those, Flurry Slash will do you REAL good.
unkempt scroll
I got no idea what the aspect does, and I'd pick depending on what boons I plan going for
untold iris
double edge is probably the best sword hammer in general
dull sundial
Nemesis is where Special gives you a crit chance buff for Attack and Cast for a few seconds.
proven osprey
Attack only
untold iris
its the only one that buffs dash attacks and the sword's dash attack is one of its better methods of attack
dull sundial
Ah. My bad.
proven osprey
And it's crit chance
half light
54 and 43 enemies? maxed jury summons?
wicked horizon
yeah nemesis + double edge + artemis dash + something like Aphrodite on attack makes for some pretty absurd damage
proven osprey
Prolly yeah
untold iris
aphrodite on attack is great for nemesis
left peak
So basically you guys recommend double edge?
proven osprey
Yes
half light
Astaos which weapon is your fave?
untold iris
double edge is the best sword hammer for every aspect imo
you can maybe make an argument for the bigger special range being better on poseidon
dull sundial
(I got it mixed up with the Magnetic Cutter debuff from the Talos Fists)
untold iris
but in general double edge is really really good
wicked horizon
i mean i prbably wouldn't grab it with poseidon because i barely attack with poseidon
proven osprey
@half light secret aspect of the spear
wicked horizon
cast cast cast special rpeat
half light
:o
wicked horizon
so i usually try to grab double special and/or wider special
proven osprey
I like the Sword one too, Hera is a lot of fun also
half light
thought for a sec that aphro makes sense on sword alot
wicked horizon
it's kind of a shame there's no sword aspect that makes special your primary attack method
half light
ah ok
wicked horizon
aprodite is great because it's good damage reduction and it's got the highest % boost available
proven osprey
And she's pretty
dull sundial
@proven osprey Man, I never do well with ||Guan Yu||. How do you usually spec to offset the ||health penalty||?
wicked horizon
but if you hit something like demeter or athena epic on attack first it's worht just grabbing
half light
very pretty indeed, ima try for an aphro run with sword, maybe that'll get me to like her more
dull sundial
Aphro Samurai
proven osprey
Special build with Artemis. Aphro attack is good for the duo and dmg reduction
Athena helps too
But usually building around special is "safe" and a proper use of your spins allows you to sustain
dull sundial
Cool. Good to know. Any notable mirror upgrades that help noticeably? 3-stock death defiance, or recharging?
If there's even a change between your normal preferred setup.
proven osprey
Depends of the heat tbh. With LC4 (no healing), I go for stubborn
No specific change I would say
dull sundial
Oof. LC4 sounds pretty nuts.
gray shore
It's not that nuts when you get used to it- if you're not proccing deaths much you're basically ready to be doing stubborn+ LC4
proven osprey
You get used to it really
gray shore
just need to do calculated suicides for healing
proven osprey
And not to suicide when you died once
dull sundial
Makes sense.
hidden zodiac
what's generally good for rama bow?
quick wedge
thunder flourish is amazing
i usually don't even use the normal attack, just spam special and get tons of thunder procs
is there any good reason not to just go for Athena's Divine Dash over any other dash boon? it seems insanely good
dull sundial
If you're relying on the deflect, it's pretty key for defense. For a ranged weapon, you might consider Artemis giving bonus damage for the Dash-Strike. I tend to chain together dash power-shots with the bow, and if I need a deflect, put it on the special sometimes.
quick wedge
yeah, i should probably just learn to dodge instead of relying on mashing dash whenever i see a projectile lol
dull sundial
Yeah. Depends on what you're fighting. Dodge most projectiles. But some, like the witches purple balls, or butterflies can be cleared with attacks.
Otherwise, yeah, all of the other dashes stack the debuffs, except Ares. It can be fun to do a Blade Rift build, but I don't care for it.
Poseidon's is kind of a weird case. It can be fun to knock enemies into walls and traps with it, but if you're trying to dash in to get into range with your melee weapon, and you wind up pushing them back out of your range, it gets kind of frustrating.
untold iris
athena's dash is the best general purpose dash
other dashes can have their niches as well, but its never wrong to just take athena dash imo
quick wedge
yeah i have never won a run without it lol
wanton cargo
every time
sturdy wind
does anybody know if you can pom strong drink
rain egret
other dashes can have their niches as well, but its never wrong to just take athena dash imo
@untold iris have you tried doing some ranged weapon build with Ares dash oriented? It’s amazing... If you manage to get his Legendary, of course
mossy light
i dunno, its hard to land solid hits with ares without hunting blades
rain egret
i dunno, its hard to land solid hits with ares without hunting blades
@mossy light not so much, when you have decent rift boons. You have to take advantage on spawn time, and have at least 2x dashes.
mossy light
maybe its just the demeter combo then. i literally had every rift upgrade and the demeter combo and the blades just passed through people
quick wedge
for hangover stacking, if i have 2 moves that do different hangover damage, how does that work?
spice rover
each additional stack only does whatever the boon's amount of damage says, regardless of the source of that stack. So if you have doom on attack and special, you'd want to open with whichever has the highest doom damage, then use whichever is faster to apply more stacks.
so like, for fists, if you have a higher damage doom boon on your special, but you also have it on your attack, you'd open with special, then spam attack to get more stacks, and it would apply however much damage.
the doom stack boon says how much additional damage per stack it will do, I think it ranges from like 10-20 addl damage based on rarity
mossy light
underworld customs gave me a choice between blade rift or the two upgrades. oh an i didnt think to reroll it 
ocean mango
Is it just me or is the adamant rail extremely good?
I'm sort of half-assing my way through ~heat 20 with it, where I 50/50 even make it with the fists *
primal hazel
Eris is yuh
spare flare
Eris aspect in particular is busted.
ocean mango
eris is the first-shot-is-strong?
ocean mango
Huh
primal hazel
Hestia
ocean mango
They're all better than any fist aspect imo lol
primal hazel
Not necessarily imo
frail schooner
sad talos sounds
spare flare
So, if you inflict one stack of hangover-9 and four stacks of hangover-5, you deal 29 damage/tick until the first stack wears off. The fact that they count together for "five stacks of hangover" is irrelevant; they're really each their own DOT.
ocean mango
Hestia is crazy! You can spend 80% of your time just dodging while keeping quite strong dps
primal hazel
Didn't say it wasn't nice xD
spare flare
That's Exagryph in a nutshell.
primal hazel
You really struggle with room clearing without explosive or ricochet shot
Tho
With hestia
spare flare
But yeah, Hestia's nice, ||Lucifer||'s nice, even Zagreus is nice . . . There's just no competing with the absolutely bonkers DPS of Eris.
primal hazel
Also it sucks that most hammers don't interact with it
ocean mango
The only real downside to hestia that I've noticed is the blue armor
You're forced to lower yourself to normal shooting
mossy light
the pact screws over a ton of weapons
primal hazel
Brings you back huh xD
proven osprey
ye it does
ocean mango
Just look at this madness https://streamable.com/nrs4rz
And i'm just spending half the time standing around
proven osprey
fo
infinite ennemies room
ijk
I swear this game is trying to prevent me to win
and it succeeds
mellow sierra
lol astaos 😄
untold iris
51 x 6 total blood needed
the four aspects for each weapon require 5, 15, 16, 15 blood respectively
proven osprey
don't play when you're too tired
fallow abyss
thanks 🖐️ have a nice day
proven osprey
mossy light
just because you dont find patroculus doesnt mean the game hates you
grim dune
is Repulse Shot any good on Rama?
still vigil
not really tbh
grim dune
oh well, never seen it before so I took it rip
grim dune
Which are the best ones? Trying to get a grip on this bow. Sorta slowly working my way through the aspects y'know
raw raven
So I had a very dumb idea, trying to see if I can beat Hades with just a mouse. Controls are
Left click - Attack
right click - special
cast - scroll down
dash - MB5
summon - scroll down
call - scroll up
What starting set up should I go with this? Thinking shield aspect of some kind for the bull rush
still vigil
point blank, twin shot, chain shot, power shot are nice ones @grim dune
grim dune
ty
still vigil
twin shot especially since it works wonders on rama's already chunky attack dmg
proven osprey
@raw raven So you move with bull rush only ?
should be doable if you get used to it
raw raven
and dash
raw raven
Which trinket do you think would work best
raw raven
...I got a sign though
just loaded up one with zeus shield
first thing is explosive return from daedalus hammer
still vigil
explosive return aint bad imo
bronze sorrel
just because you dont find patroculus doesnt mean the game hates you
@mossy light
False. The game does hate you and even if you find patroclus, its just a trick to gaslight you into thinking the game doesn't hate you.
My proof: if you pick Ambrosia delight, Eurydice will always upgrade the boons you didn't want upgraded unless you have 2 or less available. Also, anvil will never show up if you have a game crippling hammer or else it will always remove the wrong one. These are irrefutable facts.
mossy light
@bronze sorrel gitgud. 
bronze sorrel
Murphy's Law: There is no escape!
proven osprey
Last time I got Patroclus on a DD run
I lost 2 on theseus
The game just tricked me, making me think it was a gift
It was nothing but a curse
ripe glade
any fun builds to check out?.. or rather.. any 2 or 3 gods I should focus on... I play with Ares and Athena... and with Artemis and Aphrodite..
but any combo you would suggest?
grim dune
Ok I did make it through that Rama run but I could definitely use some tips. My biggest problem was getting hit/stunned out of the suuuuuper slow chargeup on the main attack
placid topaz
depends on the weapon and aspect @ripe glade
frail schooner
who invented flamewheels and why
i mean like if you have an entire item which just deletes the spawn from the game
surely that’s an indicator that it’s just an annoying enemy that adds little value
mellow quest
It can be detrimental to buy that for tight deadline. Flamewheels don't take long to kill and there are much fewer other enemies when flamewheels, expecially the armored ones, are in the enemy lineup
frail schooner
Fair enough, that item spawns so rarely that I wasn’t sure how it affected the spawn rates of other stuff
raw raven
ugh, mouse only run was a slog
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/720473155982065738/771538810139050005/unknown.png?width=2495&height=1403
Asphodel was a hell. Kept dashing into lava
frail schooner
How do you dash sideways with mouse only?
raw raven
dash towards cursor
ripe glade
@placid topaz yeah.. I do usually play through all weapons with the same two gods just to see what I can build..
@frail schooner you don't need to actually use keys to directional your dash... if you press space on it's own.. it dashes where your mouse pointer is at..
frail schooner
woah
never knew that
i have dash on middle mouse lol
cast on space and special on right
ripe glade
I have it on a thumb button on side of my mouse.. but yeah.. didnt know that myself til recently..
in fact.. works with using any charged shots too.. so if you charge up the spear and use dash.. instead of releasing the charge as normal.. you'll dash and charge.. works great with spear
wait.. I have special on my thumb button on side of the mouse.. and cast on my right..
I have 12 mouse buttons.. usually configure them for things such as that
deep stag
im using a 9 dollar "gaming" mouse so I only have 5 buttons and I only use my mouse for attacks
ripe glade
Ah.. 5 buttons is plenty.. just need 3 really.. one for attack, special and dash..
deep stag
but now that I have to cure poison my left hand is being pushed to its limit
ripe glade
although depends on your buttons.. try to have a different finger for each.. so use thumb for special, first finger for attack and middle finger to shove the cast right up their... beep
deep stag
pressing space for dashing and E for interactions, which means I cant move left when I interact with anything
ripe glade
you should check out the programme on steam called VoiceAttack.. if you really want too.. you can issue a verbal command for E
deep stag
Nice
ripe glade
Easy to set up
deep stag
I only find myself using Attack and Special for combat, Casts have never seemed too useful to me
ripe glade
But I'm used to playing RPG's.. pressing E, and other keys on the left side on my keyboard is pretty ok with me
Try Zues's cast.. chain lightning.. bounce multiple foes
usefull if going higher heat levels to brake that pact thing where they have the blue bar thingy
or Posidon's cast.. knockback.. can be useful in a pinch
deep stag
Whenever I play Zeus I seem to never get another zeus boon until Elysium, so I pick up the Zeus/Aphrodite DUO and Just hunt for Hermes and Ares
ripe glade
change your keepsake each region.. I go areas for special Doom.. then Athena next one for her dash defect then Zues for Lightning stuff.. you do have some control on getting the boons you want
deep stag
I know its a bad build for late game but I have tremendous luck with spamming bow special with doom and forget that I have any form of attack
ripe glade
no kidding.. I've done over 100 runs so far... and my fastest run was when I was a complete noob.. just by randomly not knowing what I was doing and picking up boons
deep stag
Ive only done like 40 runs so far and the only time I reached Hades was when I used aspect of eris and spammed Zeus
ripe glade
yeah.. Doom on bow is Epic.. I love it too.. for the attack.. I would probably get Aphrodites weak or something.. use your attack to curse the foes.. not for any particular damage
you should check out 'The Jawless' you tube channels.. got some great guids and some ideas..
still vigil
speaking of ares...
i do not like his curse on melee weapons at all
or fast weapons in general
deep stag
I use it on gauntlets to land one hit then run away
ripe glade
yeah.. whats the big gun thing called again.. mehlon or something... that special with doom is epic.. especiall if you get the hammer that allows you to use it 3 times.. it's a room cleaner
I love the magnetic gaunts with poisdon's knockback..
so you pull them.. massive damage, then slam them into walls
again.. doom on that is nice
deep stag
I never thought of that actually! I find it hard to use gauntlet special because it just seems so slow to me
ripe glade
once you power up your mirror and weapons.. it does get easier.. and you start thining about your builds more.. I've been playing around the Demeter's cast... like ice lasers... with four casts.. you can pretty much cover the the room with lasers.. so fun..
just focus on the meantime on unlocking the weapons and keepsakes... and save runs that suit you... shield is a good weapon and build.. but I found the Adament Rail to be the easiest runs... up to heat 12 or 13 with it without much problems
deep stag
Demeter's cast is the only one I've found usable because I dont have to aim
devout ether
Try Artemis' cast then!
placid topaz
demeters cast really needs glacial glare and a couple poms (in both) before it really shines
ripe glade
then focus on a cast build.. look at your codex and olypian gods.. you can press B to bring up boon lists for them.. try to then focue Demeter with anotehr god to help power those casts
placid topaz
yeah artemis' cast is great for throw and forget and it does really good damage too
deep stag
Once Artemis' cast finally turns up for me so I can finish her Boon prophecy I shall rejoice
devout ether
I feel like you're new enough to the game that you should just be playing around and testing stuff out on your own. Don't worry about builds yet
ripe glade
I've been actually looking into speed running... they do a thing every Friday.. I've been taking their advice.. and this works just in general... with melee weapons espically... Go Artemis and get boons for your attack or attack-dash... get your criticals up... go Critical.. getting out those crits will clear rooms fast
you not have your first escape yet @deep stag ?
wanton cargo
I love you and i'm glad you're participating in the chat, but listen: Every time you used "..." you should have used either a comma or a period and i'm sorry but i just need to speak up
ripe glade
@wanton cargo copy that
placid topaz
yeah i slept on artemis' boons for a while coz i didnt realise how all the crit stuff worked
deep stag
you not have your first escape yet @deep stag ?
@ripe glade I got hades to a sliver of his health then got pulverised
placid topaz
but any attack where you're hitting lots (like chiron's special) is a great place for artemis' boons
ripe glade
@deep stag use the adment rail.. and play with teh special boons you get along the way.. it really made my first escape easier... I think I was around 20 escape attempts then
@placid topaz yeah melee weapons for sure.. sword and shield are great.. in fact.. just about to start a run with the Fists to check out Artemis works
deep stag
I slept on the shield for a while until I realised it blocked attacks
ripe glade
but as you get on.. you'll find yourself starting to look for Duo boons and Heroic boons.. there's ways to get those late game... but there is a mechanic to it.. again.. you guys should really check out those Youtube channels.. they don't give away too many spoilers... but they sure did help me
deep stag
Yeah, same. I couldn't figure out how to get the Duo boons until I saw a video where I saw you needed boon prerequisites
ripe glade
@deep stag don't forget there's 4 differnet aspects to the shield.. that actually makes the sheild work differently... but you'll figure that out in time... and some are awesome.. 😄
You can actually see the prequisties in your Codex.. and actually lets you know if you have one.. if you check it during a run
Use your Codex
deep stag
@deep stag don't forget there's 4 differnet aspects to the shield.. that actually makes the sheild work differently... but you'll figure that out in time... and some are awesome.. 😄
@ripe glade All about grinding out the Titan's blood
Yeah the Codex helped me with planning during runs
ripe glade
yeah... I guess there's a grind element.. but you know what.. you don't even notice a grind.. you are just having FUNNNN!!!!
still vigil
why is elysium so unfriendly to melee weapons qwq
cinder flower
Love interest story || did i just get friend zoned by a floating head?! ||
ripe glade
it's Awesome
still vigil
there's no shame in havin a friend ☺️
ripe glade
how do I do spoiler thing?
deep stag
||
ripe glade
|test|
cinder flower
2 of them
ripe glade
||test||
cinder flower
|.| test |.| remove period
ripe glade
||k.. so I'm shagging Meg.. so if I shag Dusa,, not done so yet.. does Meg get Jealious?||
cinder flower
can't answer that without spoiling it
cinder flower
yeah this is the first discord i've seen that strict about it
still vigil
yea...if you dont want spoilers about content this is probably the wrong channel fer you
cause things will get spoiled in this channel
ripe glade
I'm pretty much into game.. I'm more concerned if I can backtrack a decision..
cinder flower
there's no decision like that
still vigil
tldr: no @ripe glade
cinder flower
no decision will ruin or prevent other ones
still vigil
yea they seem to have no issue bein in a polyamorous relationship
ripe glade
Here.. side note.. you guys should really get out the new Netlix Anime show Blood of Zues.. it's like this game was released for this..
sooooo good
cinder flower
love spoiler ||90% sure zag is bottom ||
ripe glade
lol
deep stag
I'm planning on watching that but the animation seems a bit off
cinder flower
@deep stag the animation is not top quality from netflix
it's actually pretty bad...
ripe glade
It's Anime... I like Anime.. but trust me... it's such an Epic.. got all that good Greek Myth stuff in it...
Anime animation is actually meant to look like that.. it's not bad animation.. it's actually just that style
deep stag
Is the entire Hades fanbase just people who like both Anime and Greek myths?
still vigil
ehh...
ripe glade
I like boobs
cinder flower
I just like rouge lites
ripe glade
I play Elite Dangerious mainly and well.. also Guild Wars 2 mainly and well.. Middle Earth shadow of War mainly.. well.. guess I now play Hades mainly.. 😄
cinder flower
I got 20 clears on 3 of the weapons, idk if i have it in me to do the other 3
I milked this game hard.
ripe glade
Gonna get these spead runs down.. they seem so tough.. they actually run tournaments every Friday on it
@cinder flower what weapons you need to do it with?
deep stag
Roguelikes and roguelites are a genre I wasn't too interested in before getting this, and now I also own into the gungeon and have wishlisted Binding of Isaac and Risk of Rain 2
cinder flower
sword,spear,shield
I have some issues with gungeon
I don't like route lites that are 100% RNG
ripe glade
@deep stag check out flamebreak.. it's a must for you man...
@deep stag I was a pro at Risk of Rain 1.. loved.. also check out the FTL game too.. also an awesome
cinder flower
risk of rain 2 is a hot one right now
ripe glade
I only have the early access.. not checked out full release yet
cinder flower
full release is dope
ripe glade
I will get to it.. I loved the first one see much.. I still get back to it from time to time
actually loved co-op in that one..
deep stag
my experience with Roguelikes before hades was with the first ever roguelike- Minesweeper
ripe glade
there's pretty good one called Rampage Knights.. kinda like Hades.. it rewards you for dying...
you get stronger with each playthough
I loved Minesweep.. was Awesome.... lol.. I did actually play it recently..
wicked horizon
Other roguelikes I recommend: Binding of Isaac and Enter the Gungeon for similar to Hades top down action. Slay the Spire, Monster Train, FTL, Into the Breach for strategy games.
ripe glade
@wicked horizon Flamebreak should also be worth a mention.. in fact I think Hades mimicked many of it's concepts... Gods and builds.. in this one though.. you had to actually fight one the gods.... different god each run.... well worth you checking that game...
wicked horizon
Haven't played that one yet, I'll check it out
ripe glade
for sure.. they had daily leaderboards for fastest runs and things.. and daily challenges.. I usualy get a run through once a day on it
if you love Issac.. you'll gonna LOOVE this.. :D..
it's so underated.. but sooooo gooood..
wicked horizon
Looks like it's only a dollar right now too
ripe glade
yeah.. get it... play it.. get the unlocks.. see if you get a nice fast run on it.. you'll usually see me on the Leaderboard.. :D.. Tron..
it's not an active game.. dev's will give a patch update here and there... it's kinda of abandonware right now.. but still a great game that should have deserved a title shot..
lol.. I have exactly 999 hours play time on it.. I should play a hour to get to 1000.. lol
wicked horizon
I feel like people can release a complete game and leave it at that. Especially if it's single player. That doesn't make it abandonware
brave hill
isaac most definitely isn't abandonware lol, it's had a great run since 2012 or whenever it came out
i can vouch for spire, it's fun even if you're not into card games/deck building (which i'm not)
one step from eden and dead cells are both more action-heavy roguelikes
but i don't think i've played a single roguelike that also manages to incorporate this much world-building and story progression. supergiant's already a storytelling/world-building GOAT and they show their chops off yet again with a genre that up to this point didn't look like it could have story progression
ripe glade
@brave hill not isasc... game called 'Flamebreak'
brave hill
oh mb
i've heard good stuff about flamebreak
tbh if a game is good and fun it's never going to become abandonware even if the mass population won't play it
ripe glade
oh.. yeah.. it's so underated.. such a great game.. am sure if the dev's got the support.. am sure it will be still being in active play.. but one to check out for sure..
dev's are still active an things on steam discussions and discord... it's just the gane itself.. hasnt any any new features or major updates and things.. just some patch fixes..
brave hill
it's probably the mobile game aesthetic that turned people off
ripe glade
Well.. if you like Issaic.. then you gonna love this..
RPG elementals similar too hades.. build up some god boons.. and completing a god set.. can make an epic run..
brave hill
lol i don't personally like isaac all that much but i just bought it, $1 isn't bad at all lol
ripe glade
all that good stuff
I actually think Hades maybe used Flamebreak as a framework in a sense.. I see so many similarities in the games...
brave hill
hades aside i think my favorite roguelikes thus far are probably dead cells and slay the spire, i like one step from eden but it's kinda wack and higher hell modes are wild
ripe glade
Dead Cells is awesome
I love my Rogies... I play FTL a lot.. cause I also love my space stuff
simple trail
Hades probably takes RUINER as a framework
ripe glade
Oh.. I think I have that on Epic launcher.. they gave it free not long back
not played Ruiner yet
simple trail
it got similar systems iirc, but with guns
ripe glade
cool.. must check it out..
That Splunky one I just couldnt get into..
it's tough.. but I dunno.. just didnt like it
Splunky 2 is coming soon.. so obviously it was good enough for a sequel.. lol
sacred geyser
does Sea Storm affect any knockback, or only poseidon's?
i'm with the Rail right now and i think the special does a bit of knockback by itself
i'm being offered mirage shot and sea storm simultaneously here
however i have nothin on the cast slot, and no main knockback either
ripe glade
I always though to affect all knockbacks.. but now as you mention it
sacred geyser
alright i took sea storm, gonna find out now
if no one knows, someone gotta find out
ripe glade
sea storm is awesome.. think it's in my top 5 most used
sacred geyser
hunting blades is my fav boon but i only had it once
actually, tidal dash is my favourite boon
along with breaking wave and typhoons fury, you can bully all styx inhabitants
Beat Styx With wasd and spacebar challenge
ripe glade
I liked knockback for awhile.. but found out.. that I couldnt find then finish them.. had to go hunting for them lol.. took a little longer runs... still.. knockbacks are fun
sacred geyser
update: sea storm procs on my Special!
ripe glade
what weapon u using?
sacred geyser
rail
ripe glade
yeah.. nice.. 😄
sacred geyser
i just beat hades in one minute.
ripe glade
lol.. very nice
ripe glade
got my highest heat runs with that weapon..
sacred geyser
me too now
surreal dune
Peseidon sword + Peseidon cast = op
sacred geyser
as of Literally This Run, it's on heat 10 while the others are on 9
ripe glade
you should try the lucifer aspect.. loving it
surreal dune
oh I get why the sword is Peseidon aspect now...
ripe glade
@sacred geyser unlock the lucifer aspect of that weapon.. doom on special.. and well.. figure it out from there.. it's just a room clearner.. lol...
get the hammer 3 specials buff.. and your pretty much on a winner
ripe glade
I like lightning.. I'm kinda leaning towards hangover now.. having those curses on.. and the mirror thingy for dmg on more than 2 curses..
I just love this game on how there's so many different ways to enjoy it lol.. :D..
surreal dune
Yes. There are no bad Gods or boons. Some that are bad for early game really start to shine when you rediscover them on heat 10+
ripe glade
@surreal dune well the trick is to be able to change your playstyle pending on what you get... basically having to transition you playstyle while you play that playthrough.. if you can adapt to what you get pending on weapons, boons, buffs.. and etc... again.. it's what makes this game so great.. each playthrough.. I have to transition my style.. maybe only a little.. but sometimes a lot..
bright sandal
What's the consensus on Blade Dash? Good? Bad? Awful?
timber plaza
I'm ok with blade dash... As long as I remember to use it. Those stacks on one enemy from dashing a bunch do a lot of dot
mossy light
i never get blade dash, though it might combo with the other ares things if you go a slicing shot build
grim carbon
For killing freeze, if the only enemy on screen is a boss does that activate it?
spare flare
Yup.
grim carbon
Hm. Worth for hades fight then probably
Other two are frozen touch and crystal beam replacing Zeus cast
spare scaffold
Isn't Killing Freeze +dot on chill effect
And Winter Harvest the instakill on 10% remaining HP
grim carbon
I don’t think I’ve even seen a winter harvest
spare flare
Yes.
spare scaffold
I can confirm Winter Harvest instakills dad but on phase 2
I assume for EM4 dad it'd be moved to phase 3
spare flare
Blade Dash can be surprisingly powerful, but it doesn't even apply a status curse.
spare scaffold
Blade Dash is a bonus source of damage if anything imo
still vigil
how does Rending Claws stack with Chill?
spare flare
The dash tier list goes like so:
Divine Dash
Literally nothing
Hunter Dash
Anything else
spare scaffold
But since Black Metal/the other blade rift boon affects it if you are going for Ares cast focus it can be quite potent
- his legendary for big damage
spare flare
The slow? Pretty sure that they stack additively.
spare flare
That's . . . better . . . than multiplicative stacking . . .
spare flare
Say that you have two 30% reductions. Additively, they're 60%. Multiplicatively, you get 70%, then take 70% of that, so 49%. That's a 51% reduction.
The size of the debuff is not relevant to the stacking behavior. Rules of mathematics apply across specific values.
spare flare
Chill slow is 10% per stack, as indicated on the screen, also.
still vigil
10%? On my screen, it says 4%
spare flare
And yeah, Blade Dash can surprise you with how much damage it can pump out as you're kiting enemies (coughAsteriuscough), and it's quite gravy if you're already going for Ares' legendary due to obtaining his cast and/or aid. It's just, you know, not exactly the meta choice.
Er, sorry. Typing while cooking. Not focused. Meant to say 4%, up to 10 stacks, so 40%.
spare scaffold
You can't get Hunting Blades on Hera/Beowulf right?
spare flare
Aye.
spare scaffold
Because I tried to and never got them and I was let known that Hunting Blades on Beowulf is not allowed
rip
spare flare
I'm pretty new, about 120 hours in and have set the game down until the patch hits the Switch. Only fairly recently saw the true ending, unlocked all companions, completed most sidequests, leveled keepsakes almost entirely, yada yada. I'm not an authoritative source on internal game mechanics. I can cite some that I've seen here, e.g. crit damage stacking behavior, but I'm not 100% certain on slow stacking, @still vigil. You may want to check back in periodically for a word from a more seasoned player.
still vigil
alrighty!
I was wondering mainly cause i wanted to try a slow build on gilgamesh
allowin fer its attacks to hit more safely and maybe harder
spare flare
Mistral Dash-based? You can.
still vigil
hmmm
i was thinkin bout puttin demeter on both atk and dash
and possibly aiming fer artic blast in the process
but that's about it concerning what i wanted to experiment with
maybe aphro or athena on special
spare scaffold
I honestly wish that there's a bot for boon info
spare flare
Wonder who updates the wiki. If it has updated info, that'd be good for the basics.
still vigil
imagine bein offered fully loaded twice in a run where yer runnin Gilga and no cast
but never get it when ya run a cast build🙃
make that 3 times
idle steppe
How do you use the aspect guan yu?
winter carbon
As in play with it? Or as in unlock it?
idle steppe
Play with it
spare scaffold
I ran Athena attack/Ares spec towards Merciful End my last GY run
it's pretty good
idle steppe
-70% Health hearts a lot
spare scaffold
I have had success running Dio attack as well
spare scaffold
You'd be surprised, doesn't achieve the same insane output of fists or Zeus shield but it's very good I'd say
untold iris
ME really incentivizes dash attack builds I think
or some other easy way of quickly applying and proccing doom
spare scaffold
I know
It's definitely a serviceable option if anything
I'd take that over other Athena duo builds
spare scaffold
Wouldn't that need you to deflect
mainly thinking of dad's fight here
In fairness he chucks bloodskulls very often so it's probably not that hard to get a couple deflects in..?
idle steppe
I've got an epic boon from Artemis on my special and that's all I've been really riding off of
untold iris
hitting with an ability that has deflect on it triggers it
untold iris
well I think you need to hit when they're attacking
but you dont need to reflect a projectile
it just needs to pop the text, which can happen on melee attacks too
spare scaffold
Oh right I thought it just applies on hit instead of on deflects
like Blinding Flash
untold iris
you can sort of just spam dash when an attack happens
and usually get a deflect that way
spare scaffold
Anyway on heavy moveset weapons I have difficulty deflecting with normal attacks so yeah that's what I mean
should have clarified earlier
untold iris
really the main issue with merciful end and deadly reversal are that you have to take athena dash to make them really good
but athena dash doesnt build into the duo boon
so it requires 4 specific boons before you get your synergy rolling
spare scaffold
how often do gods offer boon exchanges?
untold iris
not that often
spare scaffold
welp, gotta abuse that purging pool then
dry quiver
Ares call + vicious cycle + hades death beams = awesome sauce
placid topaz
for guan yu, firstly i recommend upgrading to max (50% is much "easier" to deal with) and secondly i recommend building around the special
the special hits pretty hard and with a hammer or 2 is pretty nasty
mossy light
@dry quiver oh wow, i didnt think of that. i only go slicing shot
solid hazel
vicious cycle with on a full ares call is like overkill strong
I think if you maintain full contact it adds almost 9000 damage
which is way more than it takes to make any boss go impervious
solid hazel
how are you calculating that?
dry quiver
9900ish is the highest i spotted
solid hazel
I did a calc too
silver sky
uhhhhhh guys. Does anyone else agree the posideon dash is OP AS HELL
Especially with a powerup
70 damage just for dashing
Holy cow
mossy light
ares aid at max is 6 seconds, vicious adds a consecutive 2 per tick, and it ticks every .1 seconds i think
solid hazel
oh is it 6 seconds?
mossy light
poseidon is great for killing enemies
solid hazel
I thought it was 1.2*4+6
mossy light
1.2 per gauge, 6 for max
solid hazel
but you're right it's probably 6, that seems way too long
silver sky
Is there a single reason at all to use specific god boon items
dry quiver
Force a build
haughty robin
Why does aphro cast on hera bow feel so bad? Like it'll just randomly miss. I'm not doing anything different from other casts.
spark meteor
if u wanna build towards somthing
silver sky
It only gives you the boon of that god for the first time though
mossy light
@haughty robin you wanna end your shot slightly in front of the enemy rather than hit them directly
silver sky
And may your options may not include the boon you want
solid hazel
the description for ares legendary says "Your Blade Rift effects deal (+2) more damage for each consecutive hit."
mossy light
it triggers the cast where your arrow ends up
solid hazel
I guess I was interpreting that as the first hit does +2 more damage, the second hit does +4 more damage
not that each one does +2 more
spark meteor
well theres the mirror talent where u can reroll
solid hazel
but y'know I haven't tested it
haughty robin
Ohhh boy..... So flurry shot is literally unplayable with hera aphro. Great.
mossy light
@solid hazel thats how i calced it 2 on the first tick, then 4, up to 120 on the last
@haughty robin oh, thats rough
solid hazel
so the formula should be like (2+120)*30
or at least close to that
so yeah like 3660 extra damage
yeah my original calc was based off of 10.8 seconds
but there's also engulfing vortex, which I assume affects ares call
I dunno how it affects full call though
mossy light
it adds a bit of time
solid hazel
@haughty robin in a previous patch, I found that poisedon attack "fixes" aphro on hera
like it hits every time if you take that boon
but yeah generally it's pretty janky
mossy light
makes sense, the knockback pushes the enemy into the blast
it should hit big things, like maybe giant rats and chariots
solid hazel
ehh I found that the size of the enemy had little to do with the jank
it misses big and small alike
although this was several patches ago, they've tried to fix it at least twice now
dry quiver
One of the latest patches said “additional improvements to interaction with Crush Shot”. I’m on switch so I don’t have that yet to see if it’s better or not
mossy light
meh, i prefer a herabow shot thats less finnicky, like cold embrace
dry quiver
Yeah i’ve sjnce given up on aphro. Stick with dio or artemis
solid hazel
artemis huh? I never tried that cuz I didn't think it'd be that good
it's damage is kinda meh and it only hits single target
I always assumed other good options were like Poisedon, Athena, maybe even Zeus or Ares
Dio being the best imo
mossy light
you want a duo or strong cast option on herabow
so i tend to take anything but artemis, zeus, and aphro
dry quiver
Usually artemis is going for exit wounds. Keeping in mind i’m only heat 12 for bow
mossy light
bow can work with exit wounds, but a well pommed trippy shot or whatever works well too
dry quiver
It’s very dependent on hermes
solid hazel
I thought you were joking about demeter
toxic rose
Hera bow shot is most consistent with athena
solid hazel
you don' tneed artemis cast for exit wounds though
mossy light
i won my 32 herabow yesterday with aphrodite+demeter
solid hazel
you can get it with poisedon or athena just fine
toxic rose
And u dont need exit wound
solid hazel
also agreed haha
toxic rose
Cost the dmg is tiny compared to your cast dmg
toxic rose
What u should roll for is the hermes boon that dislodge cast faster
lapis idol
im still trying to get grips with the shield
toxic rose
Helps with boss immensly
lapis idol
not super use to it or any of its variants yet
solid hazel
personally I'm a big fan of zeus shield
zeus special on zeus aspect is pretty strong and doesn't need much else
lost badger
Loved realizing mid-run that the blizzard shot doesn’t stick in enemies, then still buying exit wounds for some reason
solid hazel
ME works on a lot of aspects besides 4th
toxic rose
Beo shield with aphro cast is super strong
lapis idol
since i can zeus stack i figured on my first shield zeus style imma roll for shock n awe
toxic rose
And super consistent as well
solid hazel
they probably shouldn't offer you exit wounds if you have blizzard shot haha
but maybe they never thought of it
toxic rose
Since the core is only aphro cast and snow burst
solid hazel
support fire on zeus aspect is also quite strong
lapis idol
dashing around w/ a shock ball following is cute
mossy light
@lost badger doesnt matter. that thing hurts like hell
solid hazel
Athena on Zeus aspect is interesting too, but a bit harder to play and less dps
but having the discus deflect can make a very safe zone for you
mossy light
watching bosses run into a slow moving blizz shot projectile and dying never gets old
lapis idol
huh im getting demeter on my shock shield now
lapis idol
oh lol frost flourish. so thatll make a shock AND chill zeus thrown ability?
lost badger
@lost badger doesnt matter. that thing hurts like hell
@mossy light yeah, I was playing real bad and still crushed hades. Had mirage shot too. Didn’t quite get how to cast it to optimize damage tho. Is it best point blank, where it can hit multiple times?
mossy light
those are all excellent questions i never bothered to research
get blizz shot. shoot blizz shot. things die.
marble wasp
I've seen a lot of youtubers / twitch streamers who hate on the crystal... Personally i've found it to be fun, given you get the right boons / duos to go with it. Like Artemis or Aphrodite.
Wouldn't say they're game breaking but they definitely help crystal a ton.
solid hazel
I think crystal beam is pretty good, it has double the base damage as dio if you can get it to hit
and with the duos you should
dry quiver
I had a great run with hera bow and demeter crystals. Had 6 casts and artemis duo for fast tracking. But honestly 6 crystals + hades death beam also = awesome sauce
marble wasp
Yeah, I like Artemis for anything without using Hera's bow. Since it helps the tracking and speeds it up. I would take Aphrodite's duo though with Hera's bow since it puts the crystal right on top of them and forces the beam to aim at you and become faster.
Also adding a good chunk of cast % damage if you get the rarity up high enough.
After I saw those videos though, i was like... I am gonna make a build with it and try it out, it can't possibly be " that bad "? lol it wasn't, at least for me.
dry quiver
I tried to replicate that run but didn’t get any extra casts and failed to get the artemis duo, it failed horribly
marble wasp
Yeah, it definitely " REQUIRES " the very specific boons / duos to succeed I will say that.
Maybe it would be a little game breaking? But I wouldn't even mind seeing them change Artemis' duo to make the beams stop casting and recast in the direction of mobs, meanwhile having the base crystal beam move a little faster for reacquisition of the target?
mossy light
eh, its fine. you can deal damage in complete safety after all
marble wasp
Right yeah, that's why I don't listen to people until i've tried it out myself.
I find around 70-80% of the time, what 1 person doesn't like... I tend to like.
tranquil violet
What are some good Chiron builds that aren't Artemis special? 🙃
I feel like this is all I ever end up doing with Chiron
Usually with dio attack and the duo ideally for moar crits
marble wasp
Dio can work, zeus i've found works pretty decently. Also Poseidon with zeus' duo is pretty funny.
tranquil violet
Is there any weapon or aspect that Sea Storm isn't at least decent on?
marble wasp
I don't care much for it on melee weapons personally but that's just depending on how i've made the build to start with.
winter carbon
Depends on how accessible your knockback is I suppose
tranquil violet
Sea Storm Guan Yu is great :p
marble wasp
If i'm more dash attack focused, it works pretty great.
winter carbon
Like having the knockback on rail special is a little awkward I can find since it takes a little while to land
marble wasp
This is also true ^
tranquil violet
Poseidon in general seems to work best for either ranged builds where space is good
marble wasp
However I did find it a bit funny having Lucifer with poseidons special.
tranquil violet
Or when you're going to just rush down enemies into walls
Which is less commonly useful
winter carbon
I have to try poseidon attack on Arthur at some point
marble wasp
The radiation knocks back, quite comical.
winter carbon
See how much it knocks back
tranquil violet
I feel like with Arthur I'd like for enemies to not go way far away
I want them to stay close so I can bonk them
marble wasp
Not as much as you'd like without the legendary boon sadly @winter carbon
tranquil violet
Oh that's good @marble wasp 
winter carbon
I feel like Arthur does have a fair amount of spacing to it though, so I dont know
winter carbon
the 2nd and especially 3rd swing has so wide arcs that it's so easy to cleave multiple
tranquil violet
Demeter attack is almost as good
winter carbon
Yeah Aphro seems likely to be best in slot
marble wasp
I prefer Artemis if i'm using Arthur myself.
tranquil violet
Crits are nice but...
Unless you have some debuff on special that also makes them more likely like Dio
marble wasp
That or I just go shackles and try for backstab or attack damage from chaos.
winter carbon
Especially if you can also get the weak makes enemies take more damage boon as well
tranquil violet
Aphrodite goes well with a big heavy hunk of steel
"That thing, it was too big, too heavy, too rough to be called a sword."
winter carbon
I do find it a little odd flavor-wise that Aphrodite has the highest at least share the highest damage multiplier
marble wasp
Another one I don't hate is having Athenas' attack, that hits like a truck and stays pretty safe.
winter carbon
Athena attack is also great yeah
Sometimes you can get some random deflects where you normally would've gotten hit
tranquil violet
Athena is good if you have Brilliant Riposte
Makes your subsequent hits from behind way better
winter carbon
Backstabbing with Arthur 3rd hit is quite the experience
winter carbon
With some rather basic boons it rather easily makes it over a thousand damage
Yeah, but also the slowest swing compounded with it being melee only
tranquil violet
Highest base damage in a single hit? I think so
marble wasp
Yeah, I had a lucky run with Arthur where I was able to get 3 chaos doors to give me backstab damage.
tranquil violet
But idk about DPS overall
marble wasp
I'm not asking about dps overall, just highest base damage per swing.
Without boons.
winter carbon
I got the sword hammer for 200% backstab damage
tranquil violet
Idk about per swing either
marble wasp
I had that as well yeah.
marble wasp
Isn't it something like 70 / 120 / 290?
winter carbon
It's probably up there, but it's hard to measure
marble wasp
Not currently playing, so i'm going off memory.
winter carbon
I think the second hit is a bit harder than 120, but yes
tranquil violet
Just smack Schelemaus boyo
winter carbon
He dies so fast to Arthur though
If you put your cast and backstab him, he almost dies in a single combo
marble wasp
60 / 80 / 200 with using shadow presence. 90 / 120 / 300 if they're backstabs.
Pretty good numbers.
120 / 160 / 400 if you cast first, yeah that's good base damage. This is also backstab damage.
winter carbon
Something I like to practice is trying to hit enemies with the dash strike on the third hit
winter carbon
Yeah in the game you can try to prime the third hit on the spawning enemies and stuff, has some pretty good depth to it
winter carbon
I'm a simple man, I see big sword I pick big sword
marble wasp
I found it to be rather amusing, when I first started playing... I hated the spear with a disgusting passion... Now my favorite weapon is the Zagreus spear
tranquil violet
Spear is great idk why so many people dislike it
winter carbon
Guan Yu is pretty cool, but having it at level 1 is fairly miserable since it cuts your health so much
tranquil violet
I find sword and fists mostly too "un clunky" if that makes sense
Like they have too much weight and you're just sliding around all the time
marble wasp
I have all the weapons maxed out, Guan Yu is fun but the Zagreus spear just fits my playstyle.
tranquil violet
Spear has a modest and reasonable amount of slow down and deliberation
It's not spammy
marble wasp
I like to toss the spear once in a while or just do a full build utilizing the thrown spear and i've found for me the base spear is the best for that.
winter carbon
I like the Zag bow, probably my favorite weapon despite it being fairly boring
Just 10% crit baseline is neat
marble wasp
Although I will say, the Guan Yu throw is my favorite...
Oh yeah, but I don't want to have to go where my spear is going 😄
marble wasp
150% though for 4 attacks is a nice buff.
tranquil violet
Or casts...
marble wasp
Yeah or casts...
tranquil violet
booom
winter carbon
Yeah the cast buff is the important part, although attack achilles is fine too
marble wasp
Can't forget those 🙄
winter carbon
Depends on what you find in the run
marble wasp
Yeah, i'm just giving him heck is all.
marble wasp
Don't regret it, embrace it.
vague ermine
yeah i lost to the miniboss room with it
tranquil violet
Guan Yu is great
vague ermine
and i had a 20 winstreak lmao
tranquil violet
Just git gud
marble wasp
I feel like the max hp loss + the lower max hp gain is too high honestly.
marble wasp
30% I feel would be enough of a deficit, the leech only gives 1 hp per hit...
vague ermine
can you get bad call by using redacted call when fighting redacted?
winter carbon
Yeah Guan gets a TON better as you invest more blood into it, probably more than most other aspects
tranquil violet
I can generally make it to Elysium without getting hit unless I run into the Sneak or such
At least without EM
The furies and lernie are totally doable without damage on Guan Yu
Bu that point you do so much damage every throw
With butterfly equipped I mean
marble wasp
Butterfly + Chiron is pretty fun.
vague ermine
first run i ran poseidon special
tranquil violet
I had a great Butterfly + Guan Yu run going until styx
dry quiver
Okay yeah. Blizzard Shot with 4 casts and Achilles spear. Getting a solid pass through with all 4 casts on Asterius was 3300ish.
winter carbon
Poseidon special seems legit
tranquil violet
And then I went into Hades with one defiance left
winter carbon
Although I tend to always end up with doom special on my Guan Yu runs
vague ermine
btw how do you get lvl 30 boons?
is it like aphro duo boon on 3rd encounter?
then pom blossom?
winter carbon
I'm guessing pom flower, rerolls and a ton of luck
tranquil violet
If you just avoid all boons like the plague except like one
You can focus your early pom blossom levels and hopefully Eurydice
winter carbon
I think it's a good meme, but levels on boons really start falling off past like 5
winter carbon
Or dionysis
marble wasp
I wish the +1 to 4 boons from Euridyce actually would all work on 1 boon if that's all you had...
vague ermine
okay bought eris
winter carbon
Since hangover has to increase by at least 1 damage, it's weirdly effective to spam level dio boons
vague ermine
go zeus right?
tranquil violet
Zeus attack is good on all rails as far as I know
Just use that buff :p
If you're reloading you should be firing off specials
marble wasp
Buff > everything else with Eris imo.
tranquil violet
@vague ermine get triple bomb or cluster bomb
Or if you're a confident maternal copulator, rocket bomb
marble wasp
If you're brave, take the explosion that hurts you
marble wasp
I've done it, it's actually fun.
winter carbon
Hazard bomb with Eris rail is truly the alpha build
tranquil violet
With the revenge duo...? Maybe...?
winter carbon
That would be pretty hilarious
winter carbon
Or can you absorb your own hazard bomb with a deflect?
marble wasp
Hades fight, I just sat in the corner letting him hit steel while the Zeus shield ticked dio on him and the revenge just kept proccing on him.
winter carbon
Like if you divine dash into it
marble wasp
Probably the safest run i've done yet... It wasn't fast though lol.
toxic rose
The thing about crystal beam is that its very slow to start
Before crystal clarity u dont even rely on beam for dmg
dry quiver
Finished my Achilles + Blizzard Shot run. Most my DD were lost because i’m terrible with Raging Rushing into danger. But, with flurry cast and greater recall, every few seconds i’m tossing 4 casts with 75% success rate of getting all 4 through Hades for 5900 damage.
vague ermine
holy
eris is disgusting
i jsut cleared the game 5 mins faster than my prev record
well its a 20 min run but thats my first 20 min
half crater
Or can you absorb your own hazard bomb with a deflect?
@winter carbon never done this personally, but apparently you can actually i-frame hazard eris damage with even a regular dash and still get the buff
rare kayak
oh gross
half crater
so what i’m tryna say is: clearly the best build
rare kayak
didnt even know u can iframe hazard
if so that changes things a little
imagine deflecting hazard
half crater
lmao
proven osprey
Flame wheelers with BP on are Dark souls 3 dogs, change my mind
tranquil violet
I tried to do an Artemis Chiron build
Currently I have Greater Recall, Calculated Risk, Hunting Blades, and Splitting Headache
Chiron crit build but also hunting blades for extra spice
And I just got Curse of Nausea
Four duos and a legendary is nice
Greater Recall + Hunting Blades is so good
spare flare
Do you have anything doom-flavored for Curse of Nausea?
Wait, no. Was thinking of something else. Disregard. Need bed.
mellow quest
me: man rama feels slow
rama: 19 second charon fight
proven osprey
charon any%
sweet blade
Is it just me or is the aspect of guan yu just plain bad?
sweet blade
Maybe it's just because I'm not a fan of the spear in general
winter carbon
It benefits a ton from being leveled up yes
Since it allows you to gain quite a bit more health than otherwise, more room for error is nice
mellow quest
The main issue with guan yu is just its attack being too slow to want to bother with. The special hits hard and is fast, offers ranged safety. You can spin at range if you need to but it's slow to do that too. The only part of the attack that you've typically cared about is serrated point dash strikes.
Then there's just a hard line with spear hammers in general; they are for spin, attack or special. So a lot of runs some of them do nothing relevant for your build. With guan yu your only attack based hammers are triple jab which is.. Not good. And extended jab which is ok. Serrated point/charged skewer are just miles and miles better than those options are
It at least hits a lot harder now but it doesn't feel very good
wary jackal
Playing special build feels so terrible without charged skewer
kind egret
I just tried picking up Hazard Bomb on Eris for a revenge build
it uh
didn't work
I do not recommend doing this
but I can confirm that i-framing through the explosion does indeed empower you - even if you take no damage.
spare scaffold
I'd like to point out you can get Serrated Point on GY
finite socket
Spin/Special is the go-to for GY due to how awful the attack is crap so
jovial harness
Trying to make spin work throughout most of a run sounds more fun than it probably is
proven osprey
it is a pain
and to add even more pain, run tempest strike to make sure your foes do not take the entire spin
jovial harness
Or don't do that
proven osprey
up to you
jovial harness
Kinda regret spending 11 blood on chaos shield
I thought it would kick butt with upgraded damage and just shotgunning things with it but apparently the more popular use is to just use it to spread doom all around the screen
Which is cool and all for encounters but doesn't help enough with bosses to feel worth
maiden holly
Zeus shield is best shield and also the funnest to use. Just wish it got unique hammers like the Lucifer gun since it changes so much.
sharp merlin
When using the Zeus shield do you just make it chase after you, or do you try to position it so that it will just sit on a target? I like using it, but I am no good with it. I usually just let it rip and then dash strike everything.
maiden holly
Depends on the effect attached to it tbh. If I have Zeus or Ares I like to make it chase but for like Aphro or Demeter I'll try to make enemies sit in it.
lean mason
Is there a Heat leveling guide as paired with weapons?
willow fossil
Wdym
lean mason
Heats better suited to different weapons, I suppose there is so much variability it would be impossible to pair out.
willow fossil
Oh
It depends on your playstyle
Are you good at dodging, are you good at going fast
Do you take your time
lean mason
fair point, just didn't know if people have found X heat is a mainstay for Y weapon
depends on the weapon for me
willow fossil
There are some free heat for early on
But thats for all weapons really
After that is up to you
lean mason
I guess so, seems like Damage Control is better suited with the Rail vs Bow (as an example)
so I didn't know if there were more obvious alignments someone has outlined anywhere, albeit still very influenced on play-style and Aspects.
at least to start out getting heated up
solid hazel
You could try asking in high heat channel
And yes there are definite pairings people use for different aspects, I'm not that into it though so I don't know them...
half crater
there’s rough guidelines, like what you said about DC
chiron likes CP but hates JS, arthur doesn’t like FO, chaos struggles with TD when running other stuff etc.
EM3 is a lot more obnoxious on, say, fists than it is on rail
idk if there’s a guide to this written up anywhere tho
sweet blade
Having just used it for the first time, I can see why arthur would dislike FO
sweet blade
When I tried Arthur, I went for damage reduction and proceeded to tank enemies inside of my bubble, obliterating them with my combo finisher. Is that how it's supposed to be done?
half crater
maximising eHP does seem to be a fairly good strategy yeah
i’m not that up on arthur meta, but i’ve heard players much better than me talking about that kind of thing
proven osprey
Arthur goes bonk
half crater
like, i usually go arty on attack because arthur crit numbers can get hilariously high, but aphro is probably better because of the weakness/holy aura synergy
cyan bear
Hello everyone
Which boons work best with arthur?
Ohhh nice you were just talking about it
Hahaha
I came here at the right time! Thank you!
mellow quest
even athena on the attack can be really good since its swing arcs are so big/wide and it can lead into exposed, deadly reversal, etc
but in terms of big numbers yeah, the usual suspects. aphrodite and artemis
half crater
arty attack can lead to DA as well
but yeah i’ve heard divine strike a bunch of times
half crater
true
mellow quest
having deflect on attack + dash gives you a lot of safety on top of the DR from aura
half crater
i don’t think i’ve even tried divine strike tbh
might do that next time i run arthur
bold rune
Guys
How do I consistently dodge that beam attack that Hades does
The one where he beams on all sides of himself? I swear it gets me every single time
half crater
hide behind pillars
bold rune
That’s what I thought but it seems like it can still hit me! Or maybe I’m just spastic and subconsciously dodge into them
spare scaffold
I got hit behind a pillar maybe once and that was because dad was literally on the other end of the pillar that I used to hide
mild case of spaghetti
🍝
fair plinth
first time using chaos aegis - what are some good hammer boons to combo with it?
i presume explosive return is ehhh since only 1 shield returns?
wary jackal
im actually about to start a chaos aegis run, what are some good builds?
mellow quest
pretty much just curse of agony or thunder flourish. the base damage of the shield throw is still really low after all.
fair plinth
i picked up an epic dio flourish
proven osprey
I was told to go tempest flourish for fun
fair plinth
i presume it's decent on chaos shield?
proven osprey
It was a lot of fun indeed
mellow quest
tempest flourish is fun but it doesn't hit very hard
fair plinth
tempest anything doesn't hit hard until you get an epic breaking wave
then suddenly you're one shotting satyrs
mellow quest
nah it's pretty passable on the sword special, chiron if you have concentrated volley
if you have relentless and concentrated volley, sea storm tempest flourish hits so hard. you'll get more strikes than usual since it shoves enemies away so the arrows take a tad longer to all hit
it'll push Hades really far even
digital widget
yall i just won with triple shot, exploding shot, and more damage when close by on teh bow. best combo ever
it's an explosive shotgun
devout ether
Twin shot on rama should be considered cheating, it's so good
wary jackal
what is the playstyle for the chaos shield? I've been using it with a zeus flourish build, and it's not really clicking for me
devout ether
At low heat? Like, whatever is fine. Zeus special is good, Dio is okay. Arty is okay.
digital widget
yall why does exclusive access always appear halfway through elysium?
proven osprey
scripted
idle steppe
Why is Charon lowkey one of the hardest bosses
thorny dirge
cuz you hardly ever see him so you get very little practice
still vigil
If you dun get hit much, is High confidence worth trying out
cunning urchin
It would be disappointing if the "secret boss" wasn't.
gritty gull
still estuary
One message removed from a suspended account.
finite socket
At least you get a pretty nice reward for the rest of the run
calm sandal
What is guan yu spear even meant to be? Every other final aspect has a clear playstyle/identity, meawhile spear has a unique attack, a unique special, and a unique spin that all feel like they were meant to be used in isolation without the rest of the kit
thorny dirge
i kinda wish it was like rex from risk of rain 2
high damage at the cost of self-damage, + some healing abilities
cool thing was he could trigger revenge items
proven osprey
Let me introduce the glorious Poseidon Spin to win Guan Yu build
calm sandal
Does that actually work well or is it absolute garbage?
cunning urchin
It's absolute garbage.
proven osprey
It's living hell.
cunning urchin
I don't know if you can call it living if you can't heal properly.
proven osprey
or I should say
Hellish hell.
Indeed my dear, but you forget that you take the two spin hammers. Thus, any room is filled with spins
So yeah, it's gonna hit something
someday
cunning urchin
my dear
Is that how you talk to a senpai, kouhai?
proven osprey
Woops
It sounded super respectful
Then ok, senpai will do it
@calm sandal Go for Artemis special and Aphro attack. Charged skewer is awesome, crit your ennemies to death. Spin wisely to heal
@cunning urchin But anyway, my arguments are top notch, aren't they ?
cunning urchin
I don't have enough experience with Guan Yu now after the changes.
I liked Tidal Dash the one time I had it on Guan Yu in the test branch.
The new Attack definitely hurts Serrated Point . . .
I told Amir that in the test branch. The second and third hit in live are much stronger now than they were in the test branch, so that's definitely good.
unkempt pagoda
i'd say the gy changes make the attack combo feel awkward, but then i realize i have no frame of reference bc i never used the attack combo pre-patch
cunning urchin
But Serrated Point is only one hammer.
I think if it can be stronger without Serrated Point now but Serrated Point Guan Yu took a hit for that, that's a good thing.
But I'm not sure yet if it's stronger.
Before the change, my rotation was always just Special > Dash-Strike > Dash-Strike. That was doing the most DPS, as far as I could tell.