granted, you need like 4 boons to make it work
#h1-builds-and-combat
mossy light
toxic rose
U better chase crystal clarity 1st
mossy light
yeah, it sounds awesome, but its horribly impractical unless you buy a ton from the shop
cold embrace is good with the herabow though. i wasnt expecting that
placid topaz
which one is cold embrace again?>
spiral tree
cunning urchin
I think Piercing Wave is pretty good.
toxic rose
The hammer?
mossy light
... really?
placid topaz
yeah fated persuasion (re-rolling the options) is the recommended choice
rain egret
Should I unlock Aspect of Hera first, for bow?
Seems very strong
Actually Chiron seems even more
hahaha
placid topaz
chiron is great once you put some blood into it, not as great at level 1
i think hera works pretty well at level 1 though
orchid marlin
Is there a way to check your boon info and heat info and stuff while pausing the game?
sturdy wind
@placid topaz cold embrace is the demeter/aphrodite duo that makes crystal beams point at zag instead of targeting enemies
@orchid marlin only way I know of is to bring them up when you're already paused at a well or boon selection screen
I think I've seen people pause with esc while the boon screen is open without closing it but I'm not sure if/how that actually works
orchid marlin
@orchid marlin only way I know of is to bring them up when you're already paused at a well or boon selection screen
@sturdy wind that's what I thought, so weird. Maybe it'll be patched
Especially since it doesn't stop the timer
calm cosmos
What do ya'll prefer for Casts when it comes to using Hera bow?
toxic rose
Athena is best
Cos the dmg with parting shot is nuts
And with hera bow u get rid of the slow travel time of the projectile
Dio cast can be nice if u are lucky with chaos gate for more stones
mossy light
herabow casts? anything with a duo
so, that excludes aphrodite... zeus...
artemis...
mellow quest
crush shot, phalanx shot, true shot, flood shot, trippy shot. in no particular order.
phalanx and crush shot are preferred because it leads into parting shot. phalanx backstabs from any angle so it's the preferred
primal hazel
What do ya'll prefer for Casts when it comes to using Hera bow?
@calm cosmos Dionysus
With zeus duo
calm cosmos
Doesn't that reduce the value of the stones, since they're not stuck in?
mossy light
man, going from FO1 to FOzero is like having bullettime
mellow quest
the problem with trippy shot hera is you're waiting too long to pick the stones back up for half the run before you get the duos
half crater
stygian soul
mossy light
eh, all of the heras kinda have their own quirks
mellow quest
and yeah stygian is better if you do go for trippy shot. higher uptime
infernal for everything else
primal hazel
Trippy shot is nice damage with scintillating
mossy light
the problem with stygian is that its really best for casting only. the worst part about casting is that it breaks you from comboing with melee
half crater
trippy shot has two duos, both of which are solid, so it’s basically certain you can get one of them
which is really nice
mossy light
so if you go hybrid, you cast 3 times then jump in, stygian messes with that
primal hazel
Tf
Stygian is best for non cast builds mostly imo
mellow quest
ice wine can be awkward because of the delay it adds on FO
half crater
yeah i prefer stygian for non casts as well
primal hazel
Are you confusing stygian with inferno?
mossy light
probably. stygian is 3x?
mellow quest
infernal is 3 stones, stygian is regenerating stones
half crater
you’re right the ice wine delay is a little awkward, and it’s less beneficial because you don’t lob anyway
primal hazel
Scintillating all the way
half crater
so scintillating’s prolly better for trippy hera yeah
primal hazel
Even on beo
mellow quest
stygian is nice for something like chiron with electric shot, just toss it out at the start of waves
half crater
you also don’t lob on beo, so same applies
toxic rose
For dio cast its very dependent on whether u can get more stones
So if u are unlucky with chaos gate or well it can be feel pretty weak
If u can get 2 more stones with stygian soul and dio cast it feels super good
primal hazel
Artemis legendary
toxic rose
Gunning for arti as beo/hera is kinda awkward
primal hazel
How so?
Dio cast, zeus aid or some
One to two slots free
toxic rose
Cos u now have only 2 skills instead of 3 in thr prereq list
primal hazel
It's rare but if you're playing stygian I'd go for it
In case if chaos not giving
primal hazel
On beo I just play dio with infernal for burst
Aphro on special and charged shield
(charged skewer equivalent)
toxic rose
On beo aphro cast is definitely more consistent
On hera dio is nice as u dont have to chase stones...
primal hazel
I'm still talking trippy
toxic rose
I once have 7 stones with poseidon cast arti duo with sword
With greater recall even
Man it just feels good to spam cast without care
mossy light
uggh, been ages since ive used the 4th shield. EM3 whupped my arse
untold iris
iirc that buff only applies to the basic attack, not the spin
small stirrup
untold iris
which is good because the basic attack was horrible
untold iris
spin is already decent enough imo
sharp wagon
ok fellas , whos gonna make a Tier Ranking of everything here?
mossy light
top tier FO2. bottom tier. CF2
brave crescent
did anyone feel like the guan yu aspect dash attack feels a bit wonky after patch?
I have hard time invoking dash strike/ it feels clunky
vague ermine
is arthur still usable at lvl 1?
wanton cargo
yeah absolutely
vague ermine
okay
wanton cargo
what even does the upgrade do again?
spare scaffold
If it was + base damage yeah sure but it's just damage reduction
vague ermine
i spent all mine on chiron and chaos lol
wanton cargo
oh yeah the main thing about arthur is that it's the zweihander from dark souls
vague ermine
do i just build full attack?
spare scaffold
On the Arthur it's all about that 
Honestly build like err what counts for a normal sword build
I probably wouldn't go for any build involving Athena since the attack/special is rather slow
I suspect Ares/Aphro towards Curse of Longing would do well
spare scaffold
That's fine, Art should be a good pick for Arthur, even better if you get the double dash strike hammer
wanton cargo
bonus whatever % to attack
spare scaffold
Yeah Shadow Strike on Arthur is bonkers
spare scaffold
Chunks redacted harder than he chunks you
wanton cargo
yeah just build like you're gonna one shot people
spare scaffold
It's probably one of the few times I'd recommend bringing Black Shawl
placid topaz
aphro on attack is also fun, makes you feel like a god
spare scaffold
I mean you are a god
untold iris
i would probably recommend against taking ares
arthur's attacks do so much damage that a percentage boon does a lot
aphrodite or artemis seem best
wanton cargo
yeah i'd prioritize aphro for sure, artemis eh
untold iris
artemis is nice if you like seeing big numbers
spare scaffold
Well I was thinking of Aphro attack/Ares spec
wanton cargo
i mean if you get a crit that's fine, but it's not like you're rolling crit very often
spare scaffold
Not the other way around
untold iris
also her average dps is I think second to aphrodite
wanton cargo
artemis is less good the less you swing
untold iris
not really
spare scaffold
I honestly haven't tried that combo I build kind of randomly for Arthur and won because of sheer damage
wanton cargo
yeah but you don't "reach" average dps if you swing 5 times, you're more average 20 times
so it's less reliable
the last thing i want in hades is variance tbh
i want reliable dps
untold iris
theres less variance vs bosses because they have high hp pool
vs regular enemies arthur's base damage is high enough that you will likely kill them in a few hits regardless of whether you crit or not
kind egret
wait hold on
there's no way that on average, Aphrodite provides better dps than artemis
kind egret
1.2 * 1.3 = 1.56
untold iris
because crit is multiplicative
kind egret
No even at base
untold iris
but aphrodite does more damage at base
kind egret
Whereas Aphro is 1.5
vague ermine
mark makes it so that all sources of damage get crit chance right?
untold iris
nyaan did most of the math already in the above spreadsheet
you want to look at the mean attack w/ crit tab
kind egret
Oh, better at base, worse with poms
untold iris
you can see that heartbreak strike outdamages deadly strike in almost all cases
except a few
kind egret
*with levels in general
untold iris
only common heartbreak strike with no poms is worse than deadly strike
kind egret
yep, gotcha gotcha
didn't realise the level scaling swapped it around so drastically
thanks!
untold iris
the main draw of crit is that it also multiplies other damage sources
so if you get shadow slash, for example
aphrodite won't improve the 200% damage from shadow slash
but artemis crit will also increase that 200% from shadow slash a bit
untold iris
oh yeah also artemis on your primary button can make heart rend really broken
though depending on how fast your attack is, having unhealthy fixation with aphro as your primary button is also pretty broken
vague ermine
greater consecration vs shadow slash vs breaching slash?
kind egret
Greater if you
Like to take things chill
Shadow Slash and positioning better
if you like to win
untold iris
i really like shadow slash on arthur
you can hit for some pretty absurd numbers if you're good at getting backstabs
keep in mind that you can dash in between hits and still keep your combo going
kind egret
^^^^
untold iris
which lets you reposition behind the enemy while building up to your third hit
kind egret
But also Greater Consecration lets you stand in the circle and watch Witch shots
slooooowwwllly inch towards you
which is an experience in and of itself
halcyon forge
Are you able to get enough Titan Blood to upgrade all the weapons fully? I heard bounties stop at 20 in normal mode which seems like it'll leave you missing about 10 titan blood per weapon unless you buy from Charon
untold iris
you can get blood from the fated list
mossy light
i think armorbreak hammers are my favorite
untold iris
also buy it from charon
mossy light
they eat nonbosses
untold iris
also trade ambrosia for it
the game gives you more ambrosia than you can use if you do all the bounties
armor break hammers are usually very good
though imo less good on arthur because that weapon has so much base damage that its fairly good at dealing with armor already
like a shadow slash boosted arthur hit will already take out armor in one shot versus most enemies
kind egret
I'm holding a firesale on ambrosia out here
please drink more dusa
I love you
platonically
smoky horizon
not sure if i should take heartbreak flourish (heroic) to replace deadly flourish (epic), currently using the chiron bow right now
toxic rose
If u cant do bounties doing farm run and die at styx is pretty quick
placid topaz
heartbreak is aphro? deadly is artemis?
smoky horizon
mhmm
untold iris
they're both good
untold iris
depends on how far along you are with your build and what other stuff you have
toxic rose
U get 1200 gold easily by not buying anything and use the bonus gold mirror
winter carbon
Deadly is probably better though right, since you dont benefit from multiple weak applications by default
untold iris
with deadly flourish you want to roll for aphro attack and find heart rend
placid topaz
true, artemis still probably comes out on top
untold iris
with heartbreak flourish you want to get more aphro and find unhealthy fixation
placid topaz
yeah aphro attack would be a good compliment
smoky horizon
untold iris
whereas unhealthy fixation gives you a ton of safety because you just interrupt half of the boss's attacks
placid topaz
lol k - just take parting shot
toxic rose
Lmao
placid topaz
but for real, im not sure
untold iris
oh you already have aphro attack it looks like
placid topaz
probs re-roll?
untold iris
tbh I might consider rolling for heart rend lol
toxic rose
Also is it confirmed u cant get duo from trial?
untold iris
no duos in trial
smoky horizon
i'll try rerolling and seeing what i get lol
toxic rose
What about legendary?
placid topaz
i'll try rerolling and seeing what i get lol
@smoky horizon good luck!
untold iris
you can get legendaries from trials
imo aphro attack, artemis special, heart rend is the best chiron build
untold iris
but aphrodite special based builds are also very, very good
and I have heard that dionysus special is quite good as well but I havent tried it myself
placid topaz
oooh i havent tried dio special chiron build - what else does it need?
untold iris
i think ledgerdamayn mentioned he liked it
@hearty elbow were you the one who was saying that hangover on chiron was really good? What sort of build would you recommend for it?
mossy light
so what does the stupid pom duo boon affect
kind egret
poms
mossy light
single and double poms? does it affect minipoms or the pom trinket?
kind egret
not sure about pom trinket, but I believe pom slices get the extra level
mossy light
well, it just interacted with my purging well for 400 obols
and my next room is a pom. outstanding.
mossy light
they were guiding me to an easy styx bounty
serene zealot
Which do you think is the best weapon for Pierced butterfly?
vague ermine
ok my first game with arthur gave me ridiculous luck
kind egret
Guan Yu lol
mossy light
a weapon you dont get hit and attack often... so maybe the zagrail or zagbow?
or the hestiarail
hestiarail sounds nice
is it only attack or special too?
winter carbon
I think it's just damage right?
serene zealot
I have managed 34% with Eris rail I think
kind egret
pretty sure Pierced Butterfly is a pure attack boost
mossy light
it says damage. so go hogwild i guess
any weapon youre good at using without getting hit
serene zealot
I am not good at anything
winter carbon
Zagreus bow and getting some random crits that oneshot enemies seems pretty decent for it
kind egret
another day of my Guan Yu Is Actually Fine and Fun rhetoric not landing 😢
mossy light
imagine thinking using a slow weapon is fun 
serene zealot
Which boon do you use on Guan Yu?
I'm still struggling with it
I mean... Arthur is fun 😂
kind egret
For GY I usually go Tempest Flourish into sea storm with jolted and rupture
to trigger privileged without having to use my other, garbage buttons - or think
winter carbon
Yeah Arthur is a lot of fun
serene zealot
Great idea 🤔 I used that on the Zeus shield and it absolutely mash
winter carbon
I love the little tech where you can dash while the final swing of the Arthur combo is charging to extend the range
mossy light
quan yu boon? i like slow
you want the charged special if it appears, or things that affect your charge attack
kind egret
yeah, I think chill attack works great
kind egret
I love the little tech on Guan Yu where you press the special button repeatedly
and patiently
winter carbon
No you sit there and hold down attack and wait for enemies to approach
kind egret
That's the true thinking mans strategy
serene zealot
why not both ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
kind egret
Instead of playing bow, but worse
I'm gonna play zeus shield, but worse
10/10 top notch aspect ❤️
winter carbon
Hey!
kind egret
What's going on?
mossy light
oh man, zagreus insulting EM3 is chefs kiss
kind egret
this is what I'm saying man, Zag having the brain cells to construct insults against EM3?
not a himbo
serene zealot
Is it me or EM3 is easier than the normal one 😂
In the normal fight it's hard to avoid Theseus when you are busy fighting Asterius
placid topaz
maybe you're just better now?
but i agree with guan yu special for the "not taking damage" run - coz you really dont want to take damage there already so...
mossy light
the third bossfight will always be my favorite. especially with the king and the bull playing
serene zealot
Maybe it is bc I play on switch so my point of view is kinda limited
serene zealot
The enemy strike me even when I have yet to see them
mossy light
happens to me all the time in asphodel and less often in ely
serene zealot
For me it's both but it's more terrible in Ely lol
mossy light
ahh. my favorite duo boon. come to daddy (blizzard shot)
placid topaz
lol
opal lodge
what binds do yall use for controller people
i got this game on switch too and dash striking feels so unnatural
mossy light
for a pro controller: y attack, x interact, b dash, a special
vague ermine
what boon is best for chiron?
mossy light
cast right trigger, and whatever for the rest
dio or demeter special i guess. maybe zeus?
vague ermine
artemis, Dionysus, demeter, zeus?
mossy light
oddly enough, bow is my favorite weapon, but i rarely use chiron
mossy light
wait, i got back the sweet nectar i sold... in styx.
opal lodge
as is aphro attack dio special
placid topaz
zeus is bad for chiron, as there's an upper limit to how many times they can be lightning-ed in a short time frame
mossy light
all i know is that zeus special is good on the 4th bow
mossy light
aphro is great on a secondary move, since it has a good duration, as well as a duration buff
kind egret
My controller setup is right button attack, left button special, b cast, a dash, x reload
I think it's a good mix of easy access and ensuring that buttons that may need to be pressed together don't clash
hearty elbow
@untold iris It's conditionally really good. The tradeoff is that you can't do bosses efficiently, but it allows you to play with JS3, which is usually just not possible with Chiron. I usually start with Dio in Tartarus and aim to get Ares, Aphro, or Artemis on the attack for any of those Duos. Depending on heat, I'll go either Athena or go for the Duo in Asphodel. Concentrated/Relentless will always be fine on Chiron, even if you aren't building damage, but keep an eye out for Chain Shot if you're doing Curse of Agony, it works out pretty well as a supplementary damage source.
mossy light
uggh, sword is not good for fighting the secret boss in act 1
vague ermine
pom porridge vs ambrosia delight?
my build is basically complete w art special and aphro attack
or should i go for the duos
vague ermine
kk
half crater
pom porridge if you have a lot of boons, ambrosia delight if you have 2-4 good ones
i only take refreshing nectar if i don’t really have anything good yet, or am stacking chances for a specific legendary/duo
solid hazel
from a straight stats point of view, often 1 lvl is better than improving rarity
so pom porridge is usually the better pick
but you do get a lot of opportunities to level up boons and almost no ways to improve rarity
half crater
levels drop off, tho; if you have a level 5 cast, increasing rarity will do more
yeah exactly
solid hazel
yeahit's a bit of a trade off
I feel like pom porridge is almost always right though since ambrosia delight only hits 2
when it hits the 2 you don't want it to hit, it's like totally useless
better in situations wher eyou don't have many boons yet I suppose
half crater
i generally go with ambrosia if i can be pretty certain it will hit a core part of my build, that i’m gonna pile poms into
but yeah i’d say pom porridge is my default choice as well
solid hazel
yeah refreshing nectar is definitely least picked one...same as you, I only take it if I don't have a build going
if you're running god's legacy...I feel like i'ts a bit of overkill to get legendaries/duos
like it's already pretty easy to get legendary/duo with god's legacy, so I would think the other two options are better
mellow quest
refreshing nectar is really good if you still have not seen Hermes in asphodel, there is a very high chance you can get a boon from him with it active in the tail end of asphodel or early elysium
half crater
that’s actually a really good point
mellow quest
also fated persuasion rerolls benefit from yarn of ariande/nectar as well
half crater
rarity is sooo good on hermes boons
one hidden downside i’ve found to running the Dark Foresight/God’s Legacy combo is that hermes is pretty consistently worse for me now
mellow quest
depends entirely on the boons
mossy light
stats?
half crater
is it chiron?
mellow quest
there have been times where flurry shot is still correct over relentless on chiron lately, like if you have dio on the special
since you get 8 arrows now
mellow quest
and like, if you get twin shot flurry shot on chiron you really shouldn't complain too much lol
twilit stump
every time I see Lightning Reflexes "After you Dash just before getting hit, a bolt strikes a nearby foe", I don't understand when it procs, and don't choose it.
vague ermine
ended up getting heart rend without nectar
twilit stump
does it only happen if I dash and and get by an enemy?
mellow quest
it's when you dodge an attack just before it would have hit you
mellow quest
it's pretty easy to proc by dashing through aoes/projectiles
mellow quest
i use it on chiron and eris lately
twilit stump
oh ok, that makes sense now that I look at it again! Thanks
half crater
i always run out of dashes when i’m playing bows for some reason, so it’d likely end badly for me on chiron
i’ve been using it for zag fists speedruns recently
idk why, i just like the novelty
rare kayak
just dash and when you see “near miss” text thats when it procced
mossy light
note to self, dionysus trial on hellmode sucks
twilit stump
ty ty. Seems to match decently with Athena dash. Otherwise shaping up to be a kinda boring spear special build
half crater
back when i started playing, trials were basically just a free boon for zero extra effort
i sometimes have to remind myself that they can actually be super dangerous now lol
mossy light
awful run. bleh
cunning urchin
Refreshing Nectar is super good. You should take it more often.
It gives you a higher chance for Duo Boons and Legendary boons, higher chance for epic boons, and guarantees at least rare.
For 3 boons.
If you have even just 1 Persuasion reroll for a boon with Refreshing Nectar and a miniboss chamber or corresponding god keepsake—or both even—you're practically guaranteed a Duo Boon or Legendary Boon if you meet the requirements.
You can pick up 2–3 t3 boons often enough from just getting Refreshing Nectar in your run.
twilit stump
don't think I've ever taken anything but Refreshing Nectar https://hades.gamepedia.com/Eurydice
vague ermine
god run
got the ambrosia dialogue thing for thanatos, unlocked 4th bow aspect and got the best chiron boons
feelsgood
used to hate artemis now shes my fav boon
winter carbon
When you use the bow you start loving artemis more and more
Rama crits ♡
I had Rama with double shot and poseidon attack, the knockback was hilarious
Could kill greatshields by just knocking them against the wall over and over
mighty ermine
that would be extra funny with repulse shot to boost the knockback even further
winter carbon
Tbh they were already flying offscreen
mighty ermine
but faster
mellow quest
ah yes, the classic duo boon excitement, crossed out by AP. reroll to get it, there it is again, still blocked
winter carbon
Im in that story and I dont like it
Take your bronze skin or positive outlook and grumble all the way to the next chamber
cunning urchin
They're both pretty good.
winter carbon
True, its just they never really empower what you want to be doing
orchid marlin
I feel like the spear is by far the worst weapon, am I wrong there?
Got both hades aspect and GY aspect maxed out and it still feels like every other weapon is better in some regard
cunning urchin
Hades Aspect was one of the easiest 40 Heat I've done.
mellow quest
i would say it's a little more sensitive to getting good hammers but i mean, it's got really nice range for a melee weapon and the attack combo isn't painfully slow to the point you are only ever dash striking like the non-arthur swords
winter carbon
My personal worst weapon is the sword
But I do decently well with Arthur compared to the other aspects
orchid marlin
Yeah Arthur aspect is better than the spears imo
mellow quest
for starters arthur's attack combo is worth the slowness, between its damage, range and input buffering between dashes
and then you throw in how much eHP you have
winter carbon
Yeah feels so awkward to dash attack constantly because the normal sword combo is so unsafe
cunning urchin
Always depends on context. At higher heats, Excalibur really falls off compared to Hades, which just keeps on rocking.
Hades Aspect is anything but bad.
winter carbon
Fists by comparison feel way better, especially the magnetic ones
cunning urchin
Excalibur is probably one of the easiest aspects to play at low heats.
winter carbon
Makes sense
orchid marlin
Yeah Excalibur seems pretty idiot proof at low heats lol
Dumb damage plus the slow+damage reduction and 50 free hp
winter carbon
Perfect for me
mellow quest
i'd say it does really well into the high 20s, low 30s. but then you just start having to throw on stuff like FO2, DC, etc if you want to go any higher
orchid marlin
Also what spear hammers would you recommend?
cunning urchin
For which aspect? Hades?
orchid marlin
Yeah
mellow quest
charged skewer, exploding launcher will transform the special from a mediocre part of the moveset to the most busted part of the build
winter carbon
Quick spin probably?
orchid marlin
The sp8n attack recovery and speed seems to help
winter carbon
Maybe extra area as well just to be able to blanket the screen in a spin attack
orchid marlin
Also I feel like there's 0 reason to use the Achilles aspect? Damage buff is worse than Hades and also only lasts for 4 moves whereas hades lasts for 10 seconds
winter carbon
Achilles is way more nimble, great for cast builds
orchid marlin
Spear rush also messes with my muscle memory
cunning urchin
Serrated Point > Exploding Launcher > Flurry Jab > Charged Skewer, probably in that order? I don't know what @mighty ermine thinks.
mellow quest
it's much easier/safer to activate the achilles buff, and it affects your cast damage
orchid marlin
Hades buff doesn't? I should prolly reread the description I thought it was all damage oops
winter carbon
Although Ive used attack achilles too and it works out
mighty ermine
can't get flurry jab on hades aspect but yeah pretty much
serrated and exploding are the best ones
cunning urchin
Oh yeah that makes sense lol.
mellow quest
hades aspect buffs attack and special damage
you used to be able to get flurry jab on hades aspect
mighty ermine
goodbye aspect gimmick
mellow quest
before the hammer was blacklisted
cunning urchin
I'd also take Massive Spin over Quick Spin on Hades.
mellow quest
still serrated point and charged skewer
cunning urchin
Serrated Point > Charged Skewer > Breaching Skewer > Massive Spin for Guan Yu.
Actually.
Serrated Point probably dropped off because of the changes to Guan Yu.
mighty ermine
agreed with massive over quick spin on hades aspect. mini spins basically become even bigger, do more damage, etc.
mellow quest
although i haven't tested how the input buffering is with guan yu yet
cunning urchin
Extending Jab might actually be good now? Hmm. I'll have to play the new Guan Yu more. 
winter carbon
I just like the dark souls-esque lightning spear hammer, I cant remember the name of it
cunning urchin
No, you can't chain Dash-Strike > Dash-Strike anymore, so Serrated Point definitely dropped down.
mighty ermine
i tried a little extending jab on GY, it's... okay? getting the right distance is still pretty frequently attacking something nearly offscreen
cunning urchin
Your second "dash-strike" will instead be the second attack in the normal attack combo.
If you want to do Dash-Strike > Dash-Strike, you have to delay the second one.
mellow quest
kinda gross tbh
cunning urchin
I liked a lot how it felt in the first iteration when the base damage of the third hit was 112. What's it now in live, actually?
Oh wow.
50 > 75 > 125.
That's way more than in it ever was in the test branch. Second hit got buffed, too.
mellow quest
that's actually pretty nice
vague ermine
hey is level 1 rama still good?
mighty ermine
definitely, yes. even 30% shared suffering is still good and the aspect itself is solid anyways
vague ermine
okay thanks
ivory raft
is it just me or does the the trial of the gods aphrodite attack have way too much turn speed
proven osprey
I would not dare to betray Aphrodite
winter carbon
Betraying aphrodite costs 1 DD
vague ermine
oh my god i literally got all the wrong boons
i was going for a sea storm/cold fusion build
and got everything except those
regal heart
Holy crap just got sea storm for the first time
My aspect of rama special is doing so much dps
Poseidon special/sea storm/double lightning bolts is amazing
Oh my goodness just got relentless volley from the anvil
vague ermine
i was.. trying to go for that
and the game gave me the damn regeneration with no death defiance boon
regal heart
That's not a bad one though
vague ermine
yeah except i never lose any death defiances lmao
regal heart
Oh I also have five dashes in this build
Didn't even need a death defiance against hades, nice
proven osprey
if you want to play it yeah
cunning urchin
I like it a lot. It's really fun.
proven osprey
I feel like mentionning GY instantly summons you lol
cunning urchin
There's of course some risk in having –50% HP, but it's a lot of fun, too.
And you can have a variety of builds on it that double-down on the lifesteal or that completely ignore it in order to focus on the strong Special and Attacks instead.
cunning urchin
I meant more like double-down on the spin with hammers, Divine Strike or Frost Strike, etc.
spare scaffold
Oh I see
cunning urchin
What's better than a spin lifesteal? A spin lifesteal that effectively grants invincibility while standing in it.
cunning urchin
Good luck!
@proven osprey if I tell everyone what to do with Guan Yu, I can misdirect the meta and keep all the good strats to myself. Gotta stay ahead of the competition.
spare scaffold
proven osprey
wait
you mean... Oh no...
So you had me in the palm of your hand since I told you my fav aspect was GY, and now I'm misleading people with your pieces of advice...
That's pretty evil.
proven osprey
The truth must prevail, then I shall retaliate. To all GY users, don't max it out and play high confidence in order to perceive the only way
The way of the great Guan Yu
cunning urchin
@proven osprey you should try a Tempest Strike spin build.
cunning urchin
Tempest Strike will knock all your foes away from your spin.
So it can't hit them to heal because it keeps knocking them away.
mellow quest
Petition to SSG to rename Tempest Strike to Tempest Sad
proven osprey
I'll try the build anyway
maybe, with the right angle...
I'll report in a few hours
cunning urchin
I think failure means F-tier.
mellow quest
I mean. Zag aspect doesn't disable casts
proven osprey
@waxen otter Did you name yourself from your profile picture or is it the opposite ?
proven osprey
It's more heartbreaking than Aphro's strike 
waxen otter
worse than an unhealthy fixation, even
onyx parcel
it's mercy being sad
@waxen otter Overwatch?
bright sandal
I've noticed a really good combo with Talos aspect on fists is Poseidon Special if you're going for a cast build. Cast builds are a bit less optimal on Talos outside of like Aphrodite cast because bringing them close removes cast's range benefit, but the poseidon special giving you spacing again really helps out
cunning urchin
I don't think that's a good combo.
But you're thinking along the right lines there.
I think the best cast on Talos is Flood Shot.
Especially if you can get Mirage Shot and Blizzard Shot on it.
Blizzard Shot's one drawback is that it knocks enemies out of its AOE.
But with Talos you can put down your cast and just keep pulling enemies back into your Blizzard Shot.
vivid vigil
hello, is this the place for a gameplay question?
mellow quest
i don't really like going for a cast build with talos, i just like being able to isolate targets and have good attack output without going for the broken AF merciful end build
haughty robin
@vivid vigil yeah people here are really helpful just drop it in
Trying to do guan yu spin run, which keepsake to start? Athena alright?
cunning urchin
Yeah, Divine Strike is amazing for a spin build.
haughty robin
Cool cool. Yeah I don't have the mini spin timing down so should go safe
cunning urchin
Mini spins are more of a thing for Hades Aspect than Guan Yu, anyway.
timber oyster
Any recs for a good chiron build? New player, just 3 clears so far.
cunning urchin
@timber oyster Drunken Flourish, Heartbreak Strike.
Try to get their Duo Boon.
Just rotate Dash-Strike Power Shot > Volley > repeat.
Try to hit a new enemy with your Flourish every time to apply Hangover to everything.
And put all the poms you get on Drunken Flourish.
@haughty robin remember that when you charge your spin, you can Dash to release it and give it forward momentum.
timber oyster
Awesome, thank you @cunning urchin
cunning urchin
And then you can just dash into the spin directly, the Deflect will protect you while charging your next spin.
haughty robin
@timber oyster demeter special + arctic chill is fun, and safe because of the chill uptime and keeping enemies slowed. Take privileged status and try aphrodite attack? It's easier execution because of slows.
cunning urchin
Well, protect you from most things, anyway. You're not literally invincible.
haughty robin
Lol yeah ofc, need to keep the brain on a little bit.
timber oyster
Cool, love some Demeter and am just starting to wade into the weeds of the game beyond "this feels fun". Thanks @haughty robin
proven osprey
was going to say that it works suprisingly well
indeed, for thugs
the rest is just pushed away
what have I done
cunning urchin
Taken a joke too far.
proven osprey
You made it sound like a challenge
final warren
wow I thought it was a reverse rope-a-dope Talos build, but then I saw GY
Now I feel sad
and confused
proven osprey
It's ok
I'm the one suffering
But, privileged status packs a punch, spin procs it instantly
nvm Elysium is a nightmare worst build I ever tried
final warren
lmao
i feel offended, I just want to say
but, not by you using that build
but because i was looking forward to playing this afternoon with a normal fun build attempt
and now I just want to share the suffering you have inflicted upon the world
cunning urchin
Shared Suffering is a Rama thing.
final warren
so now I fear getting home and playing
proven osprey
well you can give it a shot and thank Nyaanyaa for that
cunning urchin
proven osprey
I'm glad to read that
not by you using that build soon
but because we will forge a bond
proven osprey
Yes Nectar
cunning urchin
Then you move on to Ambrosia.
final warren
I am nowhere near playing today, long day ahead, but I feel that that bond already exists and has happened
cunning urchin
There are rules.
final warren
and then....
cunning urchin
There you go.
final warren
Ooh a nectar
proven osprey
Take some too
cunning urchin
Thanks for the Nectar. Now I can gift it to Lady Aphrodite. 💗
proven osprey
I was eager to know how you would break my heart
cyan mantle
okay
aspect of arthur + the vampire effect on sword is disgusting
as in amazing
as in "who's guyan yu"
(answer: "gyuan yu is the guy with better ranged attacks than you" but still ok)
left peak
proven osprey
He was dead put I learnt that his spin hits twice
I don't even care, I'll do it again
1 or 2 @left peak , maybe 2
whole axle
Is there any relationship between price of a boon (150/300/450) and what rolls you can get on it?
cunning urchin
No.
I think the more expensive ones have better rarity maybe? But I'm not entirely sure that's true.
winter carbon
The 450 boons in styx are equivalent to a boon from a skull room I think
So all will be rare or better
proven osprey
Thanks !
It was SPIN ONLY
did not want to cheat with charged skewer
But to be fair, Sea storm deals a lot of damage. Bosses were ok (quick spin helps a lot) but rooms in Elysium were a nightmare. Can't imagine at higher heat
@cunning urchin Any other fun build for me to try ?
proven osprey
I think I never played Chaos, or maybe once
let's try it then
(is it supposed to be horrible ?)
cunning urchin
I dunno, but it sounds fun.
proven osprey
I have no idea how I'm supposed to play. I just pick support fire because why not
I learnt that I can't bull rush when shield are flying (painful discovery)
maiden holly
you'd want doom on the chaos shield tbh
unkempt scroll
Uhh, what boon setup is good for the blade? 🤔 Just the aspect of Zag
cunning urchin
But Doom is not a meme build lol. That defeats the point.
maiden holly
Zeus attack @unkempt scroll
dry ember
Zeus Attack can work, but that relies on you getting Flurry Slash, which can be fun, albeit a bit gimmicky.
I would go Deadly Strike + Hunter Dash + Double Edge and just play it like a Nemesis. Even without Double Edge, you can still do damage. Deadly Strike can be replaced by any % damage boons.
maiden holly
Yeah it really depends on hammers tbh
dry ember
As are most things 😄
maiden holly
with zag aspect you definitely wanna build for attack though just because of the attack speed :P
if you get dash attacks go for that too because the move speed affects dash distance
winter carbon
Tbh the main sword combo is kinda bad, so dash attacks is probably the main bet
maiden holly
it's like the one time I'll take artemis over athena
especially if you get double edge:P
dry ember
Tbh the main sword combo is kinda bad
Cries in Arthur
winter carbon
Hey Arthur is coo'
dry ember
exactly
winter carbon
But the other three are... eh
mellow quest
with zag aspect on sword you want to move down 1 aspect for more relevant bonuses to your output because the attack combo of the sword is bad
dry ember
xD
mellow quest
the 3rd hit in particular is terrible
it's literally faster to attack attack special
even with zag aspect
dry ember
200 base damage goes brrr
mellow quest
arthur you just have to get used to attack input buffering between dashes
dry ember
yup, that and dash for backstab damage
mellow quest
some of my faster clears are with arthur. faster than my nem clears
dry ember
arthur can be surprisingly mechanically intense tbh
maiden holly
speaking of slow setup... how do you make hestia work for the gun
dry ember
shoot reload shoot reload
I recommend Hunter Dash + Deadly Strike for optimal damage
don't take Damage Control heat.
mellow quest
high % attack boon mostly. so deadly or heartbreak strike
winter carbon
The 400 backstab damage with the cast in them
mellow quest
use discretion about when you should just keep firing, there will be plenty of instances where that is a faster kill than reloading
especially when armor is in play. no point overdamaging
dry ember
with Hestia I find stuff like Piercing and Ricochet quite important in high heat
mellow quest
if you see ricochet fire you take ricochet fire no matter what the other options are with Hestia basically
timber oyster
@cunning urchin in the midst of a drunken heartbreak run with Chiron and this set up slaps! Thanks for the heads up
stark ore
Do Athena's DD boons no longer spawn with SD? I've gotten a Tier 1 boon from her and lose my SD before talking to her, but after 2 or even 3 rerolls I still can't get the DD boons
mellow quest
Is drunken flourish heartbreak strike chiron still better dps than deadly flourish once you have RI2 on?
stark ore
I usually take Deadly for the instant damage, but Drunken likely does more DPS over time
mellow quest
It's more than likely, Nya crunched the numbers over it
cunning urchin
I compared the damage without anything like Privileged Status.
So yes, it's still better with RI.
haughty robin
I am now a firm believer in guan yu spinning
Though maybe it's the athena that's just too good....
proven osprey
You should try the mighty tempest strike GY build @haughty robin
Chaos was indeed the right word
cunning urchin
You should not.
proven osprey
Rooms were a lot of fun
haughty robin
Wait that looks fun af
proven osprey
It is !
haughty robin
It doesn't look high heat viable lmao but I'm doing the bounties
Lmao
Don't need high heat viable
void fjord
i have a question abt a particular aphro boon
Blown Kiss
does it actually exist in the game
cunning urchin
Yes.
proven osprey
@haughty robin You've got a build in this channel, just a bit higher
cunning urchin
You need Crush Shot for it to show up.
haughty robin
Wait your build is with special, it felt alright when I did it but wasn't anything special. I do wanna try poseidon spins tho.
I don't remember the last time I got blown kiss tbh, I remember it took me 4 slicing shot runs to hit ares legendary sometimes you just get screwed
proven osprey
nah
cunning urchin
Tempest Strike is a meme build on Guan Yu lol.
ebon sky
What happens if you buy the Anvil of the fates and only have one hammer upgrade? I skipped a hammer for a chaos door, that ended up being the best choice as I got a +98% to my special chaos boon. But I wasnt sure if getting the anvil with just one would swap my single upgrade for 2 others at random or gave 2 more at random. I assume it would be the former but couldnt find an answer.
haughty robin
Eh, if I can beat em4 with it, IDC what the build is
proven osprey
Well...
cunning urchin
It will swap your single upgrade for two others.
cunning urchin
Why would she blow you a kiss if you don't offer your life, love, and soul to her like I do? 
void fjord
untill i get video proof od someone playing with it in a run, in the current version it doesnt exist to me
ebon sky
Ok, thanks thats what I was thinking. It was a successful run so I think I made the best choice on that one.
void fjord
ur just lying
cunning urchin
You lack devotion, clearly.
void fjord
to make me jealous
i devoted runs to her
i had a only aphro boon run nyaan
dont talk to me abt my devotion to my queen
mellow quest
i managed to get Hades stuck earlier today in the bottom right corner of the arena, like right next to where Zag first walks out
like being wedged there between Zagreus and that area breaks his ai or something
void fjord
hmmm
mellow quest
i f10d it but couldn't get it to reproduce on other runs
cunning urchin
@void fjord do you have other posters on your wall?
haughty robin
Oh I meant IRL
void fjord
but if it is, when i'm able to do so i will
haughty robin
You gotta do it irl to really show devotion
void fjord
well irl i dont have any posters
cunning urchin
Have you asked for a temple for her in #hades-feedback?
void fjord
i dont remember
cunning urchin
Hmm.
void fjord
i have suggested for each olympian once long back
cunning urchin
Well, I get Blown Kiss, and I have asked for a temple for her multiple times.
mellow quest
rip feedback channel
void fjord
nyaan i dont believe you
cunning urchin
You asked for other gods. Why would you do that?
void fjord
the second my exams got over imma grind again for that kiss
cause at that point i wasnt a true simp for my queen yet
i just started out
now i know she's the tru dmg queen. Along with her call helping me through EM4
cunning urchin
I devoted my life to her from the moment I first met her.
void fjord
I am blessed to have even met her
cunning urchin
That's why my very first Hades screenshot is the first time I met Lady Aphrodite.
void fjord
nay even seen her
i have screenshots of her
cause i dare not sully her figure
with me taking a ss on my worthless laptop
mellow quest
How can you simp for Aphrodite when shatter shot doesn't exist anymore
proven osprey
you were right
cunning urchin
But did you screenshot every single thing she ever said to you like I have?
proven osprey
seems simp enough to me
void fjord
i have clipped a lot of her dialogue
cunning urchin
Don't worry, your heart will guide you to the true path. 💗
void fjord
to make sure i have a ll the information
thank yu for opening my eyes nyaan
(i truly appreciate also turning this channel into an simp cesspool for aphro)
rare kayak
have you played hades with a 90% opacity picture of aphrodite on screen
fullscreen 90% opacity
void fjord
I have to admit not
rare kayak
then ur not really a simp tbh;;;
void fjord
cause her figure wld be too powerful for my measly laptop to run two versions of her at the same time
cunning urchin
I don't really like the word simp because it's often just used to attack guys who happen to treat women like actual human beings.
void fjord
yikes me a big simp then
rare kayak
tru
proven osprey
nice rename
void fjord
i also am called a nice guy by other ppl
which i know i am
(im joking pls dont think of me as a nice guy)
proven osprey
You're so nice
void fjord
imma leave this conversation before i dig myself into an incel cesspool or smtg
rare kayak
so we have confirmation you dont play with tight deadline?
void fjord
bruh TD2 my jam
void fjord
keeps me on my toes when i play between classes
and also maked me appreciate more the time i have with my queen
mellow quest
im just glad passion dash has an actual aoe now
no longer have to touch toes with the enemy to get weak applied
mossy light
dash attacking cancels the passion though doesnt it?
proven osprey
nothing can cancel my passion
mossy light
cept twitter
toxic rose
Man beo shield with aphrodite cast is so strong
mossy light
beo shield is pretty strong in general
quartz frost
how do you get the +5 max health after every encounter? im having problems with getting a lot of hp
proven osprey
Contractor bonus, it is when you collect darkness
mossy light
costs like 2 or 3 diamonds
mossy light
you should unlock more things in your mirror if you havent
quartz frost
i think ive done everything but i havent maxed out like gods legacy and the last one i think
mossy light
ah, good
quartz frost
yeah i should probably try and farm some diamonds
mossy light
still going for your first win?
quartz frost
oh no ive already done it once
mossy light
just trouble with reliability or different weapons?
personally, i dont feel that +5 health matters much
cunning urchin
+5 can be the difference between dying in two hits and dying in three hits. That matters a lot.
sweet blade
What's the exact time on the mythic version of quick reload? The wiki only lists the time for the rare version
bronze sorrel
For Hades in particular, where damage is mostly 20 and 40 damage increments, I think the value of +5 health depends alot on your current health. 235-240 isn't a big difference, but 240-245 is probably an extra hit you can take.
mossy light
fair enough. im on hellmode so i forget about that +5
bronze sorrel
Isn't hell mode all the more reason to take stock of every possible advantage, especially regarding health? You don't get the shield, so your gonna take some extra hits.
proven parcel
the +5 is definitely helpful
First and only save is on Hellmode
and all the extra HP is welcomed
bronze sorrel
Speaking of darkness and health, is Dark Regeneration any good? I've used it like once and immediately switched back to Cthonic vitality, but maybe I'm missing something?
I'm currently playing with RI 3 among other things and so I'm trying to maximize my milage out of 3 mirror talents.
proven parcel
DR is good if you're getting Darkness from bosses
CV is overall better if you/re going for bounties tho
mossy light
always go for bounties
raw blade
does Poseidon/Demeter's Sweet Nectar stacks with ||Persephone's|| keespake?
mossy light
i dont think so? test it for me \
i tried it before and i dont remember. i dont think so though
barren otter
it doesn't.
mossy light
you can try it again to be double sure
does it work for the nectar contractor upgrade?
barren otter
no idea, I never got the opportunity, I don't think it will work.
I believe Sweet Nectar only works on poms and pom slices from Charon's shop.
mossy light
ill try to test it if i get the chance
mossy light
blasted secret boss. spawn blast it
void fjord
the only time i regret running stubbornless
but then i think of the positive
i didnt lose two death defiances
mossy light
i just want this blasted fate list completed. chasing shops is so suboptimal
yay, secret boss time
fun fact, if youre short on boons, the game starts feeding them to you
cunning urchin
That's just RNG lol.
mossy light
is it? it started spawning boons at the last chamber before the boss when i only had 2 from the underworld customs and shop chasing shenanigans ive been up to
happened twice. and that only happens when i enter an erebus gate
digital widget
Exclusive Access is the greatest boon in the game, and you will not prove me otherwise
spark meteor
digital widget
hahaha true
mossy light
ehhhhhhhhhhhh. i never get exclusive access at the right time
digital widget
i got it first thing into elysium in thsi run, and it's serving me pretty well. Could've used it back in styx tho
finite socket
Hammer only run be like
bronze sorrel
CV is overall better if you/re going for bounties tho
@proven parcel this is 32 heat. There's no bounties.
proven parcel
if its all darkness. DR is prob better
but it also depends how often you get hit too
mossy light
i mean, odds are you take the most damage after a boss, so if a boss drops a chunk of darkness itll help a ton
bronze sorrel
You also get fountains after bosses though?
And a charon well
So like, decent chance of overhealing
mossy light
woof, what percent+?
next moss
334
it actually started as a rare poseidon
which in turn got me the poms duo
and last shop before giving the sack was the aphrodite switch
mossy light
noice
junior harbor
Anyone got a consistent Beowulf build they enjoy?
Zeus feels underwhelming, Posiden feels counterproductive, anthena/aphro/Artemis is ok, dio lasts way too long using infernal soul, Ares is decent but feels off without hunting blades being available, and demeter just feels meh
bronze sorrel
epic
@next moss unhealthy fixation?
maiden wolf
do Bronze Skin and Different League stack additively?
next moss
don't @ me but i think you multiply the complementary odds
so if they give you 10% each
the effective block is 1-(0,9x0,9)
19%
i just took a chaos deal "each time you cast take 2 hp dmg"
my only boon is a cast boon
i'm one floor from lernie
and i have 5 hp
i think that was greedy
lol died
wicked horizon
one time I took consecutive chaos banes for "take damage on special" and "take damage on attack"... while using Hera's bow. I had to clear two encounters in Asphodel with just my divine dash's damage
maiden wolf
Guan Yu with chaos -hp curses is suffering
worn crypt
You can't die to chaos. Just hang out at 1hp and never get hit 😎
maiden wolf
unkempt scroll
Wtf am I doing wrong when I get killed in the middle of a dash?
proven osprey
You don't get iframes for the entire duration of the dash
Still happening to me, frustrating indeed
unkempt scroll
Then can somebody please explain to me how the f*** it works? Is there a guide to dash or something? Sounds too stupid -_-
At this rate it basically means I have to exclude any melee weapons while I play at EM4
proven osprey
You'll get used to the timing, idk if there is a guide
Or if it needs to exist
Lol
unkempt scroll
Guess I'll just have to settle with the story line, and then quit afterwards -_-
proven osprey
Oh by the way
unkempt scroll
I don't think so. I just remember I dashed through the attack, and then I died
proven osprey
Well rip
unkempt scroll
I was forced to use the plume keepsake because of the storyline... So I couldn't get any divine dash in the first two areas -_-
And Hermes didn't even give me extra dash for 2 entire runs. I HATE that plume
I want it to burn for all eternity.
My previous run I had to settle for a couple of Ares boons at Styx 🙄
unkempt scroll
Is Artemis special any good on aspect of Chiron (bow)? 🤔
gritty gull
unkempt scroll
It just ruined my run two times in a row. I hate it
unkempt scroll
Do you mean "and"? 🤔
proven osprey
Nope
unkempt scroll
Aphro special... ?
unkempt scroll
Base special dmg bonus for her boon is 80%? Well, that might be okay to try out
F***, fists + EM4
proven osprey
It scales well and it's the highest in the game anyway
unkempt scroll
Yeah, okay
Would it be worth going for aspect of Demeter? Fists
I usually just use the Zag one
unkempt scroll
Aspect of Demeter + Aphro special, perhaps? 🤔
half light
can you teach me to like aphro
proven osprey
How can you not like her ?
half light
i like her personality but her boons are the bane of my existance
whenever i see the heart i get mad sad
proven osprey
Big damage, good duos
I know someone who can help
@cunning urchin , could you help this lost soul to get back on the true way ?
half light
lol plz
unkempt scroll
Also depends on which weapon. But usually, weak effect can be useful
half light
but like i'd much rather have any other boon effect than weak
i'm in love with the spear, and getting warmed up to eris
unkempt scroll
Ares?
half light
uh weapon aspect of adamant rail, sry forgot what it's called