yeah ik jks ofc
#h1-builds-and-combat
half crater
spare scaffold
Yeah well I never said I was any smart
half crater
but fr i rely on divine dash way too much
primal hazel
ohokwy?
spare scaffold
smooth brain moment
mellow quest
i guess i'd better also tell you that glgamesh lets you hold down dash to execute all of them in a row
no downtime between them
primal hazel
Yep
toxic rose
For fost i build merciful end on everything
primal hazel
You become a racecar
toxic rose
Cos atk is so bad
mellow quest
it's specific to gilgamesh
proven osprey
guys
sour prairie
spare scaffold
< me rn
proven osprey
Don't you think Athena dash offers a little bit of i-frames ?
sour prairie
zeus aid or double strike here?
proven osprey
It looks more generous
primal hazel
Zeus aid
mellow quest
aid
mellow quest
it opens up billowing strength to have a call
sour prairie
okey
primal hazel
Trigger zeus everytime a bar fills
coral vortex
can I interrupt? I'm trying to beat Hades for the first time. sword is the wep I can clear most consistently with.
what keepsakes should I use (and in what order)? feel like I kinda rely on Athena dash to survive so im thinking of taking her first
mellow quest
global damage good
coral vortex
but idk if thats better than coin purse for example
primal hazel
Use gods keepsakes the first two stages to get your build
Then I like purse in elysium and acorn in styx
coral vortex
that makes sense, ty
mellow quest
it's all in the context
coral vortex
for sword build (no aspect) what's a rec build?
mellow quest
sometimes you still take a god keepsake in elysium because yo uwant to force a 5th god into the pool
or take one because there's still 1 specific duo you're hunting or somesuch
coral vortex
maybe my room choice is messed up, i rarely get 3 gods lol
proven osprey
sword build no aspect should not exist
proven osprey
yeah, the classic
mellow quest
the first 4 gods you accept boons from you will see the rest of the run
toxic rose
mellow quest
225+ on melee weapons, 150 on ranged weapons
proven osprey
@coral vortex do you have 100 hp + 3 DD ?
coral vortex
DD?
mellow quest
if you skip a god they're not in the pool
primal hazel
(hermes and chaos don't count)
proven osprey
death defiances
coral vortex
yeah
cunning urchin
Divine Dash does not grant i-frames.
coral vortex
i have a lot of talents. im on the +% boon rarity
i've been mostly power farming tho instead of trying to strictly beat the game
willow fossil
Wait if I dash strike, i dont deflect with divine dash?
cunning urchin
The only Deflect boon that grants i-frames, ironically, is the one that people always look down on lol: Holy Shield.
willow fossil
Holy shield op
proven osprey
I love holy shield
cunning urchin
Divine Dash can deflect, but it doesn't grant i-frames. There's a difference.
proven osprey
I know the difference
willow fossil
So I can still get hit?
mellow quest
holy shield is lowkey pretty nice
half crater
so what’s the difference
cunning urchin
Yes, that's correct. You can still get hit.
willow fossil
I love holy shield, but I use spearpoint for dad so is kinda bad
willow fossil
I get melted regardless, just not at once
proven osprey
that's wise
spare scaffold
Spearpoint is pointless for dad ime but then I'm only at 13 heat so far
willow fossil
Is up to you I feel, I've used acorn for em4 and I feel like spearpoint helps me more
spare scaffold
I did EM4 and I don't think he has DOT attacks, though I suppose EM4 is when you actually do appreciate Spearpoint since he can chain swings
proven osprey
I still prefer acorn
spare scaffold
So if you get chunked by the first swing you don't get damaged by his second/spear throw
spare scaffold
Ah, I should clarify it's not just the triple combo
spare scaffold
He has a double swing/spear throw iirc
willow fossil
And traps
toxic rose
U can tank beam with spearpoint
willow fossil
I love the keepsake, it helps with me styx and dad fight, so is a must have for me in styx
mellow quest
spearpoint quickly becomes worse than acorn as you crank up hard labor to squeeze closer to 50 heat
proven osprey
hard labor always maxed buddy
when I make a mistake I want to know it
runs are shorter this way too
willow fossil
Lol
cunning urchin
I think Broken Spearpoint might be better for EM4, hard to say.
coral vortex
should I save re-rolls for boons or early hammers?
proven osprey
willow fossil
It is for me, I quickly switch to spearpoint when I turned on em4
winter carbon
2 hammers will always show up either way at some point, so I find rerolling for them kind of unnecessary
willow fossil
I rerolls poms, hearts and obols early
spare scaffold
can't reroll hammers afaik
winter carbon
Oh you cant? That'd make sense
spare scaffold
Unless you count anvil
willow fossil
Id swear I've rerolled into a hammer
unkempt pagoda
wait, do you mean authority or persuasion?
authority can reroll a room into a hammer
unkempt pagoda
persuasion can't reroll a hammer choice
mellow quest
You don't have the authority to tell me persuasion isn't better 
mellow quest
That's what I just said
half crater
lol
proven osprey
I like rolling common boons
half crater
double negative there
proven osprey
then wasting my dices and not getting anything better
half crater
i was getting ready to persuade you
proven osprey
and finally, crying
half crater
hot take: common boons are fine, actually
proven osprey
yeah they are
mellow quest
Rarity isn't that important a lot of the time
spare scaffold
I will spend persuasion into specific boons so I can satisfy duo reqs faster
Authority I end up saving for Styx
proven osprey
yeah that's the way you use it
spare scaffold
So I guess persuasion can give you a power spike faster
proven osprey
I mean don't roll to get an epic whatever
mellow quest
Persuasion mostly helps avoid being bricked by AP
willow fossil
I use authority so get a lot of boons early
half crater
a faster power spike to a higher power level, honestly
willow fossil
Persuasion mostly helps avoid being bricked by AP
This is exactly why I use authority
Persuasion loses value with ap
Since 1 roll isn't as worth
mellow quest
Hmm yes choose 1 of 3 integral pieces of your build to purge before Styx
half crater
until you get landed with a boon that’ll ruin your build
mellow quest
Sure would be nice if you could reroll out of that
spare scaffold
I thought that's UC, not AP
half crater
like lightning strike on arthur or something
spare scaffold
Persuasion helps with both I guess
willow fossil
If youre using ap2, your build is probably ruined regardless
half crater
there’s levels of ruined
mellow quest
UC is going to be on at 20+ heat always
half crater
but idk i mostly avoid AP like the plague
spare scaffold
UC made me really appreciate the purging pool
proven osprey
I don't like UC
half crater
i know rerolls are super useful on AP1 tho
proven osprey
don't run it yet
spare scaffold
Turns out I could have trimmed my build instead of hoarding all the boons that I don't actually need
But def wants a maxed persuasion
willow fossil
Ap2 just gives me the variety I crave from roguelikes
half crater
that’s entirely fair
willow fossil
Going eris with zeus attack every game would make me hate the game
half crater
whenever people argue that it should be changed/removed in order to make max heat less painful i’m always like... but some people like it?
i’m not even one of those people, but i still think it should exist
willow fossil
Id love to play with ap2 even if it didn't give me any heat
Just an option in the settings or smth
I haven't collected the zero heat bounties cause I refuse to play without it
half crater
lol nice
willow fossil
I wish you could automatically get the zero heat once you reach 20
Kinda like how you get the lower heat if you play higher
But I dont need any blood/diamond/ambrosia so I dont really care
half crater
i wouldn’t be ridiculously surprised if i haven’t done all the 0 heats
half crater
dunno if i’ll go back and do them even if i haven’t
proven osprey
half crater
like, 0 heat’s even bad for speedrunning lol
willow fossil
Yeah lol
proven osprey
yeah about that
willow fossil
You need that sweet heat 9
proven osprey
why is 9 heat or so faster ?
willow fossil
Em2
And forced overtime
Em2 makes the hydra fight faster
And forced overtime makes enemies spawn faster
On top of attacking faster
half crater
yeah survival rooms is what i meant
half crater
real time attack
willow fossil
Whats that
half crater
RTA is the actual time it took you, as opposed to IGT which is what the in game timer says
half crater
yeah
willow fossil
proven osprey
think about it
half crater
AP2 speedruns lol
proven osprey
0.3s less to choose your path at the cost of choosing it
willow fossil
Sounds like my kind of thing
proven osprey
it's so worth
proven osprey
maybe i'll try one day
willow fossil
I love watching the hermes tournament and stuff, but not really something I enjoy
proven osprey
when I'll git gud
half crater
pretty valid tbh
i’ve started messing around with speedrunning, and i don’t hate it as much as i thought it would
but now i have a different problem: i’m just very bad at it
half crater
indeed lol
sharp anvil
I got discouraged from speedrunning after my 7:33 didn't record properly
But I also already kinda wanted to stop because I try hard in every game I play and I need at least a game or two where I can relax
spare scaffold
I did Dio attack/Ares spec towards Curse of Nausea
cunning urchin
Lightning Strike, Tidal Dash, Sea Storm for Eris.
spare scaffold
Cluster Bomb really helped me
proven osprey
Oh ok
cunning urchin
Get anything from Lady Artemis, too, for Support Fire.
sharp anvil
Zeus, poseidon dash, go for sea storm, breaking wave, zeus legendary, billowing strength, additional zeus bounces is really good too
cunning urchin
But it's not as high a priority.
spare scaffold
wait is it strictly for speedrunning or just non-Zeus builds
proven osprey
I saw a speedrun guy with tidal dash
unkempt pagoda
proven osprey
so yeah you need another source of dmg
unkempt pagoda
😐
proven osprey
OOF
half crater
ouch
cunning urchin
Sweet Surrender is great.
sharp anvil
Charm doesn't do damage, Sweet Surrender > Charm 
proven osprey
but isn't it dangerous at higher heat ?
cunning urchin
That Eris build works for speedruns, works for 32, probably still works at 40+.
sharp anvil
Didn't Bablo use that build for 50 heat?
cunning urchin
No, he had Divine Dash for both 50 Heat Eris clears.
sharp anvil
Ah, gotcha
proven osprey
I'll try it and get used to it at 20
cunning urchin
haelian also had Divine Dash at 50.
sharp anvil
Yeah it's probably a tad dangerous to use poseidon dash at higher heat
cunning urchin
I think it's still viable, just Divine Dash would be better at some point as you raise heat.
sharp anvil
I feel like 40 heat with Eris would be inevitable if you just keep fishing for cluster rockets
That combo is so ridiculous
proven osprey
oh yeah about hammers
mellow quest
Those urns on the haelian run had me squirming in my chair
proven osprey
I like the rocket one
mellow quest
He missed sure footing
proven osprey
what should I pick aside from that ?
sharp anvil
Rocket, cluster bombs, targeting system, triple bomb, faster fire are all good
proven osprey
yeah targeting system, had it too
sharp anvil
Delta chamber can be decent too as a lean back chill one
proven osprey
is piercing fire relevant ?
mellow quest
Not really
sharp anvil
With how of often you're dashing and it being auto aim I feel like it's not relevant
You can't really play for it
mellow quest
It's marginally better than explosive fire if that's your 2 choices
sharp anvil
Hazard bomb?
mellow quest
lol
sharp anvil
Hazard + cluster is BiS on Eris
cunning urchin
Piercing Fire is amazing on Hestia and kind of irrelevant for everything else lol.
proven osprey
BiS ?
sharp anvil
Best in slot
unkempt pagoda
but at least i got... lightning phalanx...
cunning urchin
lol I had every single Duo Boon and Legendary crossed out today in a run until the very last chance to get Smoldering Air . . . still died at 40, though, with Excalibur.
mellow quest
At the very least SGG please add some lightning damage to lightning phalanx
It sucks
That is all
cunning urchin
Meaning I did finally get it, but at that point it didn't do much damage with no t2 boons and I didn't have Second Wind lol.
Right? Lightning Phalanx feels like a downgrade lol.
cunning urchin
I'm still figuring out the best combos for being tanktastically tanky.
mellow quest
I've grown to like myrmidon bracer on Arthur a lot if I miss aphrodite
cunning urchin
Noooo.
You should put it on especially if you have Weak on Attack.
It's even better then.
mellow quest
But if there is no danger to my hp at all I play poorly
cunning urchin
The more DR you already have, the more eHP you get for every point of DR you add.
unkempt pagoda
lightning phalanx doing a bolt on each impact, would that be fine
mellow quest
mellow quest
It is definitely hilarious when you are in the aura with weak + more potent weak myrmidon bracer
cunning urchin
I feel like Lightning Phalanx should just keep the acceleration that Phalanx Shot has. That alone would already be really cool.
No, it means Dash Revolution.
Like the game.
Dash Dash Revolution.
cunning urchin
(that's a joke)
proven osprey
(I know)
mellow quest
Dash revolution is just having ap force you to replace divine dash with drunken dash
mellow quest
Drunken dash doesn't even get the 2 damage first pom
cunning urchin
mellow quest
Drunken dash pls
cunning urchin
This happened today.
proven osprey
double 
mellow quest
Double exchange lmfao
cunning urchin
Stupid me figured I should buy that Lord Dionysus boon just before fighting dad.
What's the worst that could happen.
mellow quest
It's ok, it crossed off the boon that does nothing
cunning urchin
I didn't even see that.
proven osprey
isn't AP frustrating ?
cunning urchin
The idea of buying it was stupid in the first place. I forgot I didn't have a t1 from him anymore.
And I had all core slots filled.
The odds of an exchange were super high.
sour prairie
oh
cunning urchin
It's really strong on Talos with Deadly Strike.
unkempt pagoda
RIP, didn't win that run
cunning urchin
Deadly Strike + Flood Shot for Mirage shot is amazing on Talos.
mellow quest
It's awkward in Elysium just because your attack combo won't stunlock as reliably
But the buff pushed it over the edge
It was good before and it's pretty great now
cunning urchin
It's back to how it was in the Blood Price beta. That's when I liked it the most.
It went through quite a few iterations before.
mellow quest
I got to play the meme beam demeter fist earlier today
Tempest flourish kinetic launcher
Sea storm
@cunning urchin do you have a resource for the chances of core boons vs tier 2 boons and exhanges offerings somewhere
cunning urchin
No, but Lord Dionysus only has 4 tier-1 boons that are not core boons.
So if your core slots are filled, of course there's a very high chance you'll be offered exchanges.
mellow quest
I'd just like a better understanding of what those % chances are like is all
proven osprey
Search, and become our wiki boi
kindred trout
I've also been wondering about that.
proven osprey
another candidate for wiki boi
winged grove
oh wow I never seen double exchange
kindred trout
I honestly wouldn't know where to start searching. Is there a reddit where people make deep dives in the game files? Would there be developer interviews with that level of detail?
thorny dirge
there's a modding discord, though it's relatively small
proven osprey
Yeah I do not know either
thorny dirge
was helpful when i was trying to figure out how to pull out all the pom scaling the other day
proven osprey
the other thing I don't know is why there is no Dusa card on the Steam market
drives me mad
unkempt pagoda
putting the eris boost on while in the courtyard and then switching to lucy to see what could've been ✌️
sour prairie
I tried the Divine Strike + Fists build
maybe I just didn't get all the pieces
but felt rather underwhelming in damage
not to mention just being prone to taking more dmg
due to short range
unkempt scroll
Heh... I just hit over 500 with doom
spare flare
@kind egret What's questionable about Dusa? They buffed the damage at some point, you know? She does a lot, now!
unkempt scroll
I'm about to try out EM3 with a setup focused on doom effect... I don't know if there were others that fit well with it, but I just took Ares' x)
761 x)
1051 doom dmg x)
How do you send picture? 🤨
errant narwhal
you can upload it to a site like imgur and link it here!
unkempt scroll
Can't you without link, though?
toxic rose
No
willow fossil
No
unkempt scroll
ripe glade
best spear aspect?
willow fossil
All
unkempt scroll
Depends on your playstyle, I suppose
dry ember
Depends on your playstyle
ripe glade
gonna try for a chilled build this time... using spear
ripe glade
my game style is dynamic.. I can pretty much change each run.. .
willow fossil
Then all
ripe glade
going ham maybe.. but could change depending on the boons
unkempt scroll
If you can get enough hp, I think the hidden aspect of the spear is a good one. Well, I can imagine not for high heat, though
dry ember
Another question is how often do you use your spin
willow fossil
Zag or achilles can be dynamic
toxic rose
I like cast build cos they are pretty consistent
ripe glade
if I get the fast charge.. I use the spin
ripe glade
🙂
dry ember
Then Hades can be a good investment.
willow fossil
But chiron isn't spear
unkempt scroll
I know. That's the bow
willow fossil
Yeah
unkempt scroll
I just said my preference. I don't recommend weapons, besides that it's different from person to person ^^
ripe glade
thanks guys.. you all gimme some ideas... :).. gonna try a run here..
proven osprey
should I go privileged status on eris ?
with tidal dash and such
it seems difficult to proc it tho
then
prolly not, right ?
magic lynx
wicked horizon
As far as spear aspects go, here's my take:
#1) Achilles - It's got added mobility that makes dodging even easier than normal. It has a huge damage boost that's easy to proc and applies to both attacks and casts, making it the best cast aspect for spear and the best all-around cast aspect for non-lodging casts like Hunting Blades, Curse of Drowning, and Blizzard Shot, which also happen to be some of the highest damage output abilities in the game which Achilles than turbo-charges. Low hammer dependency too.
#2) Zagreus - The base special isn't all that much to write home about, but buffing it in multiple ways and grabbing some hammers makes it fairly potent. One of my favorite combos on here that lead to one of my earliest wins is to find the Vicious Skewer hammer (+50% damage and 50% crit on returning special) with Athena special and the Exposed debuff. Since the returning spear basically always backstabs you can have some huge crits.
#3) Hidden ||Guan Yu|| - The base damages on this are pretty nutty, and being able to steal health with the spin attack is powerful. Spin attacks remain somewhat high-risk, however, which can definitely bottleneck this aspect if you don't get fast charge. When it's good, it's absurd, but when it isn't good you have a tiny health pool and have to try to stand still defenseless long enough to steal health back.
#4) Hades -This is my least favorite spear aspect. Again, spin attacks are risky which makes the sole focus of the aspect tricky to use. It buffs damage by as much as Achilles but does not apply to Casts, meaning you're reliant on attacks and specials, which makes it considerably more hammer-reliant in addition to wanting fast spin to be able to reliably land the punishing sweeps to begin with.
odd gazelle
Hello! I am new to the game and I am wondering how to get more titan blood
winter carbon
You have to get it from increasing heat
Or from trading resources gradually to the trader in the lounge
odd gazelle
Ok thanks man
winter carbon
First and last boss with give a titan's blood for each weapon on each level of heat
wicked horizon
the first time you beat the first and fourth bosses with each weapon you get a titan blood
then, you need to increase the heat with the pact of punishment that unlocks upon beating the fourth boss for the first time
with each new heat level, all of the boss bounties reset
limber flax
and you can tradea ambroisa for blood
wicked horizon
up until 16 i think
limber flax
dont forget
wicked horizon
yes additionally, the broker will let you trade ambrosia for blood, and you can trade other resources up into that
limber flax
yea
wicked horizon
finally, in Styx, charon has a mega-shop that always sells either a Diamond or a Titan's Blood, for 1000 and 1200 gold respectively
limber flax
i could never buy that in styx yet
odd gazelle
this discord is very friendly. Thanks everyone
wicked horizon
it's tricky, but manageable. It helps to have the mirror talent set to give you % gold between each zone.
wicked horizon
and skip shops whenever possible, prioritize gold over hearts/poms, don't buy stuff at wells unless you need to, and hermes has a boon to give you gold per chamber
i'd say it's most worthwhile if you're doing no heat runs to farm darkness and gems and do trivial stuff like leveling trinkets
it's easy enough in those runs to forgo shopping and just pick up a bounty item at the end
oh i forgot, there's one more way to get titan's blood, one of the fish you find ||at persephone's cottage, or the hades fight after persephone returns home|| (endgame spoilers) can be traded for a titan's blood
odd gazelle
thanks
cunning urchin
@proven osprey Family Favorite.
Privileged Status only really if you don't need t2 boons to apply a status curse.
cunning urchin
Like any Low Tolerance build, for example. Always Privileged Status for those.
proven osprey
I got hazard bomb and nearly killed myself with it too
cunning urchin
frank tide
I love when it's literally impossible to get the lambent plume trigger in elysium cause you have one exalted spawn at a time 5 times in a row
cunning urchin
Yeah, Chiron. I don't know what other aspects it would be good, I never really tested it on anything.
proven osprey
hm
solid hazel
Fist with Dio attack are decent too
proven osprey
yeah hard to see
frigid jay
probably a stupid question but how do you charge an attack without attacking prior to the charge
willow fossil
What
proven osprey
I don't know if you can
frigid jay
thats kind of inconvenient but thanks
proven osprey
what weapon ?
proven osprey
@cunning urchin Oh I see why you said that I robbed Than, it is a title you get at the end of the run 
yeah I played a lot of GY recently and i could not do that
frigid jay
like, you know how you have to hold down m1 to start charging but you attack once before you actually start charging?
cunning urchin
After you release a spin with Guan Yu, you can immediately charge another.
You can also charge from Dash-Strikes with Varatha.
Or with Aegis for the Bull Rush.
ripe glade
did 2 runs of the chilled Demeter cast.. tough... lost all 3 deviances on Theseus .. but was able to clear Hades.. long and slow (lol.. chilled).. fight..
was fun to play though
hoary slate
@frigid jay You can Dash-Attack before charging which makes things a little bit faster, but yeah you have to attack first.
frigid jay
thanks
robust plume
ripe glade
Lucifer is awesome.. love that weapon... get Doom from Ares on your special.. and if you get the wider too... and go with special damage when you get hammers..
you can blow rooms up in like a second.. lol..
actually think I did my fastest run with that weapon..
lightning works too... get some rupture on your attack if you can.. also very effective...
faint flax
if i'm doing chiron with thunder flourish and double strike, which daedalus is better: +4 shots to special or the pierce foes and 400% to armor? basically if it pierces one foe to get to another is it going to proc more bolts?
if it doesn't proc more bolts the extra shots seem better
untold iris
+4 shots to special is better on chiron, but I would also recommend not taking thunder flourish to begin with
faint flax
why's that?
untold iris
lightning bolts from thunder flourish have a 0.2 second cooldown before they can damage the same enemy again
faint flax
i often use frost flourish
untold iris
so most of the lightning bolts that chiron is making won't do any damage
because of the internal cooldown
faint flax
do you know about the pierce though? then one special could hit multiple foes with bolts
untold iris
pierce isnt that great of an effect on chiron since you're normally focus firing one target with the homing special
you can take it and it will be better than nothing, but the +4 arrows is usually a lot more important
untold iris
best chiron hammer is concentrated volley, then relentless volley, then whatever
faint flax
yeah didn't get offered concentrated this gam
untold iris
if you really want to optimize your boon builds, you should start with either artemis or aphrodite special
some good players have had success with dionysus special as well
but artemis/aphrodite is probably the easiest to build around
faint flax
aphrodite because of the high %? weak doesn't stack
untold iris
aphrodite has good damage scaling
and unhealthy fixation is really broken with chiron
faint flax
oh yeah that makes sense
untold iris
the two builds I would recommend are:
start with artemis special, get aphrodite attack, build towards heart rend
or
star aphrodite special, find a second status for your attack, build towards unhealthy fixation
sour prairie
I'm really struggling to get a win with the Gauntlets
even though it's my favorite weapon to use
untold iris
there's also a dionysus chiron build but I havent tested it at all
so I dont really know how to best do it
sour prairie
I feel like I play too reckless with gauntlets
faint flax
i've had success with frost flourish and arctic blast on chiron
untold iris
@sour prairie are you comfortable with the main gauntlet combo?
you should be spamming a lot of dash attacks and stand-punching a few times while your dash cooldown resets
but dash attacking a lot is recommended
untold iris
you dont really need blood to do well with gauntlets
sour prairie
on the gauntlets that is
untold iris
all three regular aspects rely mostly on dash attacks, which aren't buffed by blood at all
sour prairie
the only weapon I maxed so far is Chiron
untold iris
so they all play pretty well without blood
sour prairie
do you have any recommended build?
sour prairie
with the curse damage buff?
untold iris
that's by far the most important boon for gauntlets
devout ether
You can spend blood, do a run, then quit out from the menu and you'll be back at the weapon room with all your blood refunded
If you want to test drive some aspects
Just dont die/leave the weapon room/finish the run
sour prairie
the thing is.. I feel like most aspects need a fair number of blood spent to be worth it
untold iris
the strongest gauntlet build is technically:
start with ares attack -> athena special -> merciful end/athena dash -> athena dash/merciful end
devout ether
All aspects can beat the game at lvl1 and heat 0
untold iris
but its slightly unreliable, especially if you dont have full mirror
devout ether
And yes, GY can too
untold iris
because the build is not super duper strong until you pick up all four boons
and not having a full mirror decreases the odds you'll be able to put together the build by a decent amount
if you dont have a full mirror you could try something like zeus attack + athena dash
really the most important part of the build is just getting either athena attack or athena dash in there somewhere
sour prairie
untold iris
deflect adds a ton of safety to gauntlets, and they really need it because the weapon is short range
sour prairie
this is my mirror atm
untold iris
the major thing I would recommend is taking dark foresight over olympian favor
devout ether
Stygian soul isnt really worth it unless you're going for very, very specific cast builds
untold iris
I would ideally like max gods' legacy and fated persuasion
nah stygian soul is completely fine
its mostly up the preference tbh
if you don't focus on a cast build then that mirror talent can be on either one and it will impact your build basically not at all
sour prairie
so you wouldnt recommend going for the harder build?
devout ether
I'd argue the +% for gold reward rooms is better than Olympian Favor, but maybe not before you've got a couple more FP dice
untold iris
you can try going for it
sour prairie
what keepsake should I take?
untold iris
though you should be fine with just athena dash + whatever attack boon you can find if you're comfortable with dashing out of the way of damage
devout ether
Also, some weapons will want Family Favourite more than Priviledged Status
untold iris
uh, either owl or blood vial for tartarus
swap it out afterwards
FF is usually better for artemis builds
since proccing PS consistently when your primary button is artemis is really hard
sour prairie
gonna give it a try
untold iris
if you want to do the merciful end build you can start with blood vial
since taking ares attack early on will help out your damage
make sure to grab athena's special though, because its required for merciful end
that boon has really strict requirements
frail schooner
does anyone else but me actually like dark regeneration more than chthonic vitality
untold iris
your playstyle should be spamming dash attacks
each time you dash attack, your ares attack should apply doom and athena dash should instantly proc it because of merciful end
so dash attack ends up doing a ton of damage
untold iris
really the build is less important than just getting better at spamming dash attack while avoiding enemy attacks
you just gotta know when and where to dash to be able to keep up your damage while remaining safe
unreal hull
@ Rigged, I like the +HP per room. Works in Temple. Darkness drops off boss don’t happen on Heat progression runs. Usually don’t take darkness rooms unless it’s like Gems vs Darkness. Keys useful for rerolls. Coin even better.
devout ether
does anyone else but me actually like dark regeneration more than chthonic vitality
@frail schooner It's good if you're out of bounties, the big chunk of healing after a boss I think works out to be more than the regular healing and comes when you need it the most
It also gives you the option of buying darkness or taking Darkness treasure troves if you need health.
proven osprey
I like chtonic more
when I have no bounties it usually means I'm playing LC4
and when you have bounties, darkness is rare
sand timber
anyone have a link to footage of how the old Aphrodite cast used to work? Tryna show a friend how it used to feel
IIRC it used to be a spread shot of like, 6 short casts that actually packed way more of a punch - am I crazy?
prime island
What gods have people been having the most fun with using arthur? Something's telling me all out artemis would be pretty bonkers
spark meteor
artemis is def a good one
i like athena attack cuz arthur's swing is so beefy
and aphro gives biggest base dmg increase
prime island
Oh yeah that's a good point. Just ran a full artemis gilgamesh run and it was pretty sick
spark meteor
also weak works well with the consecrated ground to make u even more tanky
prime island
That 3rd swing on arthur though I can only imagine artemis and shadow strike hammer just doing workkk
prime island
Just picked up passion dash. Holding out for arti attacks haha. I got a good feeling about this run. Any arthur specific hammers? I rarely use sword so idk
spark meteor
hmmm not sure for hammers tbh
spark meteor
oh ya that one completly forgot about it
proven osprey
Yeah that one is great, Arthur is not hammer dependent anyway
spark meteor
also not super mandatory but i like picking hermes' attack speed boons
just makes it feel less slow
prime island
So super nova or whatever the larger special hammer is does not effect size of the aura, it needs the specific one?
spark meteor
yup super nova just affects the area of ur damage
proven osprey
yeah
prime island
Good to know, id have been super disappointed if I just picked that one haha. Picked shadow strike instead.
spark meteor
it could also be fun to pick up hoarding slash and just not spend obol
proven osprey
it is not that good
spark meteor
just beef up the damage even more but tbh i like spending obol so i dont pick it up much HAHAHAHA
prime island
Yeah last game would've been perfect for hoarding. Had like 2.2k by the time I got to styx
cold lynx
Does the crush shot pom buff affect its flare version as well?
neat mirage
Good lord the Demeter/Poseidon duo boon is underrated. I just bulldozed EM4 Hades after losing all my Death Defiances before Styx because I am a noob.
... with one cast only.
boreal ermine
Can anyone suggest a fun build for aspect of hera?
frail schooner
go hard into blade rifts and hope you get the ones that make them bigger and seeking
at least it’s different from the usual festive fog
sour prairie
i did it @untold iris !
wasn't quite the build
but I got the doom on attack
and then the stacking boon
which with the fast attacks of the gauntlets
dealt a lot of dmg
vocal oar
aphrodite strike or artemis strike on lucifer gun?
gilded nymph
Can anyone suggest a fun build for aspect of hera?
@boreal ermine dio cast
get zeus attack and go for zeus dio duo
also try to get dio legendary
proven osprey
Can anyone suggest a fun build for aspect of hera?
@boreal ermine Poseidon cast blizzard shot / Athena cast Parting shot
mystic flume
GOOD BUILD FOR lvl 1 guan yu?
mystic flume
well
proven osprey
unless you want to suffer
proven osprey
Artemis special, Aphro attack for Heart rend. Or safer, Athena attack for Deadly reversal
cunning urchin
Heartbreak Strike, Deadly Flourish.
mystic flume
so Imma go athena get deadly reversal then what?
cunning urchin
I actually start with Arrowhead for Deadly Flourish, Deadly Strike, or Hunter Dash, and go from there.
But starting with the Owl Pendant would be easier if it's your first time using Guan Yu.
mystic flume
so imma start athena
cunning urchin
You can get Divine Strike or Divine Dash or both.
mystic flume
after i kill first boss ill switch to arte
proven osprey
(both feels really nice)
cunning urchin
Switching to Acorn would be easier vs Lernie.
cunning urchin
Since your HP is so low, you could die in 2 hits otherwise lol.
proven osprey
Go for High confidence too
cunning urchin
Pick her up if you see her, otherwise don't worry about it.
sour prairie
17 blood to spend
cunning urchin
No, don't go for High Confidence at Lv.1 lol.
mystic flume
alr
proven osprey
(I'm kidding)
mystic flume
imma go try it
sour prairie
only got Chiron maxed out
need to think which other aspect to max out next
what are the most fun aspects for you guys?
cunning urchin
I like Guan Yu a lot lately.
proven osprey
sour prairie
I suppose I can do it
proven osprey
Yup, you got the basic guide
proven osprey
Don't forget high confidence
sour prairie
is Guan Yu something I want to max or it decent at low lvls?
sour prairie
so this is for special focused builds
sour prairie
is fiery presence preferable?
proven osprey
ah and don't take high confidence
yeah I would say so
hm
mixed names
NOPE
you're not going to os your enemies
unkempt pagoda
fiery presence is not as good as shadow
brave hill
fiery presence wears off on your first hit and requires setup to make the most of it, and it especially sucks on low damage weapons like rail and fists where 1st hit is peanuts
mighty ermine
fiery is only really better in niche speed setups or on hestia without DC1/2
mighty ermine
ain't the spear the highest damage weapon in the game?
definitely not
finite socket
Actually it's Eris Rail
brave hill
eris rail is highest damage?
sour prairie
ok.. it says the special is explosive
brave hill
dps or raw one hit damage
sour prairie
what does that mean exactly
finite socket
This thing can actually increase your damage by 75%
Including Boons and other stuff
proven osprey
It pierces and is strong
brave hill
is it additive w/ boons or multiplicative
finite socket
All damage boosts are additive
brave hill
yeah i figured
sour prairie
ok.. so thinking now which special id like to try 1st then
frail schooner
high confidence is a power play ngl
brave hill
butterfly?
frail schooner
yeah
brave hill
butterfly is good regardless
brave hill
you can rack up free damage points in tartarus
sour prairie
zeus might be nice too
frail schooner
does the bonus stay even after you remove it?
finite socket
Well yeah Artemis is best
For Special
For Attack you want something like Demeter or Aphro
frail schooner
it would be cool if you could swap it out for like acorn etc and still keep the dmg
finite socket
Artemits also works too
sour prairie
for the stacking with the spin?
brave hill
EM4 is kicking me to the curb over and over, jeez hades chunks and i keep forgetting he has the spear throw
finite socket
Yeah
sour prairie
what about Dio?
brave hill
is phase 3 of em4 the same as phase 2 just with low vis?
finite socket
Because you aren't using your attack for normal strikes, only charged
Honestly? I don't see why you would use Dio over Demeter, you want mostly to use your spin for the life steal, not for damage
So Demeter is superior because it also grants a pretty nice CC
Poseidon also works to knock back enemies away
proven osprey
is phase 3 of em4 the same as phase 2 just with low vis?
@brave hill yup
sour prairie
fair
brave hill
aight
i might need to slow down my play with him because regular hades is easy but i keep losing lives on em4
oh, does em hades disable summons too
proven osprey
yeah EM4 is a thing to train
brave hill
yeah i figure
mighty ermine
@brave hill summons as in special keepsake/companion? it's the same as regular hades in that you can ||unlock the ability to use any of them there at a certain point||
sour prairie
btw guys.. if you take an attack boon from a god, does it make it less likely to show up again for other gods?
proven osprey
Yes
brave hill
yeah that's what i mean, also i could summon on regular hades but i couldn't summon on em4
proven osprey
leeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeess likely
sour prairie
cus I just got offered epic attack boon from artemis lol
brave hill
it was odd
brave hill
are you running guan yu?
sour prairie
ye
mighty ermine
that shouldn't happen unless your EM4 run used a different companion like mort or battie
brave hill
it was shady
mighty ermine
one of the initially restricted ones
sour prairie
should I reroll?
mighty ermine
that's very weird
brave hill
i've already unlocked that ability
yeah it's weird
i'm sure i had one charge left
also what else is art offering
proven osprey
should I reroll?
@sour prairie You're less likely to get the attack, but you can get the special
brave hill
attack crit on guan yu isn't a bad proposition but it's not as powerful as on other aspects imo
sour prairie
true shot and dash
brave hill
take dash imo
sour prairie
well.. but I'm not guaranteed to see Artemis again
brave hill
you are
cunning urchin
What are the options?
cunning urchin
Attack.
brave hill
common dash LOL
proven osprey
oh, first boon ok
sour prairie
okey
proven osprey
Don't try to clear to much with spins tho
brave hill
man i had a guan build with extended jab earlier today
proven osprey
wait for an opportunity
brave hill
i threw out a spin and just poked for like 700 damage LOL
cunning urchin
Hunter Dash on Guan Yu is kinda weak now after the change anyway.
brave hill
oh yeah i forgot
proven osprey
the change ?
cunning urchin
- Eternal Spear (Guan Yu Aspect): increased attack damage; improved attack input buffering (you now can Dash between strikes)
brave hill
yeah you might as well use the normal heavy attacks
cunning urchin
You can't chain Dash-Strike > Dash-Strike anymore.
brave hill
yeah assuming you find serrated
proven osprey
argh
brave hill
lmfao pog
cunning urchin
You'll get Dash-Strike > 2nd Attack of the combo > 3rd Attack of the combo.
proven osprey
it's sad
proven osprey
I did not notice, could not grab serrated since
but man it was so fun to spam that
brave hill
lol i haven't used guan in a while but when i did i got extended jab and poked for 700 damage
so
proven osprey
(and risky)
brave hill
now dash strike is more of a damage boost during repositioning
like you're too close so you dash away and dash strike
then continue with 2nd hit
3rd hit if you have the chance
brave hill
on guan?
proven osprey
yeah
brave hill
i didn't LOL
proven osprey
no spam no fun
proven osprey
my ennemies tend to jump at me at supersonic speed
brave hill
hades spear aspect is the wave now i bet
proven osprey
300 hp GY. BUFFED
brave hill
i've gotten to 300 but that was with arthur sword
proven osprey
come on 300 with Arthur is the strict minimum
brave hill
lol true
proven osprey
aim for 500
sour prairie
damn.. faster spin attack or special bonus damage vs armor? 😛
brave hill
300 vs em4 doesn't even matter LOL
sour prairie
I kinda like having anti armor
brave hill
it lets you heal easier without having to repo as much
if you're running a special build get the armor pick
sour prairie
is it better than dmg vs armor?
proven osprey
you want charged skewer tho
sour prairie
ok
brave hill
i remember the first time i got cursed slash
i was like damn this boon is easily top tier
proven osprey
noob me was happy
brave hill
stubborn defiance is highkey a handicap
unless you're super good at bosses and doing high heat runs ig
proven osprey
mandatory at LC4
And since I played a lot of GY recently, I would pick it even without it
spiral tree
Anyone recommend any consistent arthur builds?
proven osprey
You can never go wrong with aphro/artemis
spiral tree
I'm on heat 17 using aph attack and then trying to get zeus aid+smoldering air+second wind combo
but it's super inconsistent even with rerolls
brave hill
mandatory at LC4
oh yeah huh
spiral tree
even with that it's not guaranteed
brave hill
with arthur i find having a source of doom is good
proven osprey
of course, but really decent
spiral tree
doom on what
brave hill
imo attack
spiral tree
maybe I should go back to artemis attack?
aph attack is great but even with aura not enough on it's own
EM4 kicks my ass
brave hill
thing with arthur i find is that because atk speed is so slow and aura + hp buff is already good for tanky
jovial harness
What's the highest y'all have gotten hoarding slash up to
brave hill
oh lmfao bro em4 with arthur gave me an aneurysm
spiral tree
each green pot on hades does 150 damage
brave hill
i did it eventually but i had to build tanky + play safe
spiral tree
I never took EM4 off since heat 6
proven osprey
you should
spiral tree
I am on heat 16
brave hill
i'm using em4 for all my high level runs because i don't wanna deal with the other pacts
spiral tree
I got used to it
it's those damn green pots not hades
150 just for touching green
=/
hard to avoid in phase 3
proven osprey
yeah
spiral tree
rest of the game is a joke tho
brave hill
i got hit for 100 out of nowhere at the start of phase 3
proven osprey
150 is juicy
spiral tree
I always take cursed slash
proven osprey
yeah but
spiral tree
cursed slash is top 3 upgrade IMO
brave hill
cursed slash on arthur?
spiral tree
saved me so many times
proven osprey
I was like you before
spiral tree
yes
proven osprey
EM4 on its own is ok
brave hill
ig it's some form of sustain
proven osprey
But try to get to hades with the other pacts
spiral tree
I usually get to 120 hp with cursed slash
brave hill
in a straight 1v1 vs hades tho you're only getting 2 per slash
proven osprey
it's bad yeah
brave hill
what
jovial harness
We in ancient greece times who even is "arthur"
brave hill
arthur the dude from the tv show man
that show's so old they HAD to have been showing it in greece
proven osprey
they should not know Guan Yu either
mossy light
woooooooo! 32 heat on hell mode
turning off FO1 and turning on BP2 made things easy. that and aphro+demeter duo
proven osprey
yup FO kills runs
mossy light
ive been playing with FO1 for the last week or something
and now i can just putter around
rain egret
so
God's Pride or God's Legacy?
And how does Olympiam Favor's rarity chance works with God's Pride?
fossil cove
Hello, I have a smal question about Demeter please 🙂
fossil cove
I have some difficult to understand Killing Freeze, "Applying Chill to all enemies causes them to Slow and Decay."
Does it work when there is one enemy? And it work at 10 stack or just only 1? Sorry for my english
unkempt pagoda
yes, as long as all enemies in the room are chilled
willow fossil
So if there's only 1 enemy in the screen, and you apply chill, it applies
Your English is like perfect btw
fossil cove
So if I'm fighting one boss and he have 1 stack of Chill, Decay will activate?
fossil cove
And it apply dammages every 0,8sec without stopping if I keep Chill activate on the foe?
toxic rose
Hmm i just realized i only get zeus legendary once
Somehow its hard to get enough zeus boon
fossil cove
Damn, Killing Freeze is stronger than what I thought
toxic rose
The damage is kinda meh though
willow fossil
Is free dmg
fossil cove
I'm actually playing with Gilgamesh
I hope I'll get the explosion at 10 stack in the Styx area
thanks for the answers btw !
It really help me
mossy light
killing freeze mightve done a ton with my frost crystal run
i think thats its best application
fossil cove
You mean Demeter's cast?
fossil cove
Yes I have it and it's pretty strong + his personal cast buff (I dont know is name in english, need to check on the wiki all the time lmao)
mossy light
holy crud, with artic blast, the crystals can go from 40 dps to 90