h1-builds-and-combat

[red hound]

never knew that

thanks

[haughty robin]

@limber flax zeus thunderbolts have an internal cool down I think, on hitting the same spot. So if you're point blanking all 5 chaos shields it might not be doing as much as you think. But if you're hitting everything in the room, then high voltage is great.

[cinder flower]

What's probably the best spear aspect

[proven osprey]

GY buffed

[primal hazel]

Nice they buffed twin shot

[calm oriole]

Hello how Aspect of Chiron for the bow work ?

It doesn't seem to work

[primal hazel]

You have to mark them with the attack

Means hit

A target market should then appear on an enemy

Then your special shots should home

[calm oriole]

Oh alright thanks

[primal hazel]

Also for those kind if questions you might want to go in a less spoiler heavy channel

#h1-for-new-players f.e.

[calm oriole]

Ah yes sorry

[primal hazel]

No need to apologise

It's your own choice

[solid cairn]

the guan yu animation after you dash between attack is completely messed up

[primal hazel]

Just figured you didn't want to be spoiled it you're new

[solid cairn]

the third hit zag just does nothing for a bit

[tidal edge]

phew, I misread and thought that Beowulf had lost mirage shot 😅

[mossy light]

what good is the athena zeus duo cast spell?

I have it, and its fun, but i dont get it

[cloud jungle]

pinball

what are your most used boons?

[grim carbon]

athena dash

[spark meteor]

hard same athena dash

[grim carbon]

some day i wont rely on it.

[cloud jungle]

Mine is Side Hustle

[spark meteor]

oh and greatest reflex

[grim carbon]

though i had an ares dash with hermes boost that gave me 5 dashes per

then the combo of sucking them in and more damage per tick, that was dirty

[mossy light]

extra hermes dashes

[grim carbon]

i like being zippy

[tropic wyvern]

Divine Dash, Greatest Reflex and Side Hustle are instapicks on every run if they come up

Tidal Dash is a good consolation prize for getting through Styx

[mossy light]

okay, this athena phalanx shot is pretty good. maybe not a bosskiller though

and wow, i need work on EM2

or i need to not take chaos dash maluses before bosses

[spark meteor]

em2 is just me dashing around hoping to not land on magma

[obtuse marsh]

@mossy light the second one.

[cloud jungle]

EM2 is harder than EM3 😄

Surprising, Athena Exposed is my second most used boon 😮

[unkempt scroll]

Oh? I think they're both kinda easy 🤔

[spark meteor]

i take it if i have divine dash for easy privileged

[cloud jungle]

I don't even use privileged anymore

[spark meteor]

esp if i happen upon some doom boons for the mericful end funtimes HAHAHAHA

[cloud jungle]

I had the dream ME run

Doom Attack, Deflect Special and Dash, Doom Curse and Your revenge effects occur every 3 seconds 🙂

[red hound]

wait sorry but

someone told me to unlock EM4 from contractor

but i dont see the option

is there a certain storyline that i have to meet

[queen patrol]

what are some good fist builds? and which fist is the best fist lol?

fist aspect*

[red hound]

zag fists/ demeter fists are considered good

i havnt tried the new ones but looks pretty meh to me

[grim carbon]

i love the magnet fists

with posidon dash it's nice too. push away and bring them right back in

[mossy light]

ooh, fully loaded phalanx shot

[queen patrol]

yeah i like demeter fist

[tropic wyvern]

the lazy fist loadout is maxed Zag fists + doing a Plume run

[queen patrol]

which boon/builds should i consider and which hammer upgrades

[tropic wyvern]

just maximise dodge all the way

[red hound]

fists use zeus

[queen patrol]

not ares?

[red hound]

or athena for safety

[tropic wyvern]

Ares is too slow for fists, though you could put them on the special I guess

[queen patrol]

interesting

when i fist i hardly special but i guess if im using demter i should be

[tropic wyvern]

if you can get chill on fists that works well but you have to try and force the right boons

[red hound]

zag fists are as simple as it gets though

m1 to win

[unkempt pagoda]

fists' best build probably ares attack, athena special, athena dash, merciful end

with constant dash striking

[queen patrol]

what does it mean by bonsu special hits? like it will hit more than 1 enemy?

[tropic wyvern]

ares attack? won't the doom be wasted?

[red hound]

think u get the stackng doom

[tropic wyvern]

bonus special hits means it'll hit whatever it hits multiple times

[queen patrol]

Onyx "Cast Build!" CicadaToday at 4:31 PM
fists' best build probably ares attack, athena special, athena dash, merciful end
with constant dash striking

yes this is what i heard too

[tropic wyvern]

for real is there any build that doesn't want Athena Dash

[queen patrol]

oh so that speical is really good than

[tropic wyvern]

other than an "all poseidon all the time" build

[unkempt pagoda]

ares attack? won't the doom be wasted?
merciful end is the major player here

[red hound]

zag bow build uses arte dash i guess

[queen patrol]

which hammers to consider for demter fist?

[unkempt pagoda]

ME insta-procs doom when you hit a doom-afflicted enemy with a divine ability

dash strike provides both doom and divine in one attack

[tropic wyvern]

oh right

[red hound]

i have never actually extensively used ares

apart from some hunting blades gimmick

[tropic wyvern]

I find Athena often refuses to cough up the right duos for me, I've just hit the epilogue yesterday and she still hasn't given me the legendary

[spark meteor]

merciful end malphon builds are my go to rn

[red hound]

athena legendary has weird requirements dooesnt she

[gentle jasper]

ok so for the fists in attack(Demeter): high % boons or Zeus?

[spark meteor]

her legendary has some annoying prerequisites

[red hound]

u need the "deal more damage when u deflect"

[spark meteor]

^ya that one

[tropic wyvern]

I know, I go for the prereqs and she still won't hand it out

[red hound]

whihc is pretty dumb cuz its not exactly the best boon

[queen patrol]

which hammers for fists and should be be trying to go behind enemies to get back stab damage?

[tropic wyvern]

I get Divine Dash, I try rerolling for Brilliant Riposte and it doesn't come up as often as I want, and then even when I do have it the legendary won't be handedo ut

[spark meteor]

not sure about going all out for backstabbing with fists(?)

[red hound]

btw does anyone have a gauge of EM4 hades

[mossy light]

i have 3 different icons on my defiance slots. that means im skilled.

[queen patrol]

what about impending doom or dire misfortune or boht?

[tropic wyvern]

with fists any time spent not punching is a DPS loss but it can sometimes be worth it for Demeter fists when the quake cutter is charged to aim for the backstab

it's how I managed to beat Charon once

[red hound]

i dont really want to take AP on my runs

[spark meteor]

impending doom if u have high hit counts like fist/rail but i lik dire misfortune esp on mrciful end builds

[queen patrol]

gonna give it a go

[mossy light]

that was an embarassing run than went perfectly.

[finite socket]

Sad that Ares is just only good for Doom effects and maybe some other Duo boons

Never wondered why exactly Blade Rift effects are bad though

[whole axle]

If I get a certain daedalus upgrade from the anvil will it count towards the Fated List?

[mossy light]

blade rift effects are bad?

[surreal dune]

Blade Rifts are very powerful.

[mossy light]

but ares tier 2 rift boons are bad?

[finite socket]

Actually researching better it's mostly that it's dependent on certain boons

And by them i mean Duo/Legendary

[surreal dune]

Ares playstyle, as envisioned by the devs, I think, is that you infect enemy with doom and kite them always wait for them to die and chip them with blade Rifts.

If you lean into it it's moderately powerful.

Ares Artimes duo that gives you double blade rifts

It shreds everything.

[tender stirrup]

doom is pretty good, the main problem that i have with it is that it's intrinsically bad to have it on multiple things

[lavish tinsel]

quick question

does strong drink function on the cure poisons on floor 4

or is it strictly fountain rooms

[tranquil violet]

Fountain rooms and the fountains between areas.

The fountain by the satyr sack counts.

[lavish tinsel]

okie

[tranquil violet]

So if you get it in Tartarus, you're guaranteed 3 fountains (after each boss), and then the 4th in Styx

If you're lucky you might get 1-2 more along the way

[lavish tinsel]

also

gaun yu

god tier

love it

[queen patrol]

damn havin a hard time gettin the merc duo

i dont have the mirror thing on it maybe thats y

[mossy light]

im pretty sure merciful end is the most picky combo, ares and athena attack/special only

[queen patrol]

yeah

first run i couldnt get athena speical to come up

second run finally got the duo boon at the end

[uneven dagger]

Anyone got any boon prio's for shield wep?

[mossy light]

Poseidon on attack, athena on dash. And nobody uses the special

[lavish tinsel]

aw man

3 furies

this isnt fair

[digital widget]

What build goes with mag fists?

[kind egret]

you could probably try some kinda cast hybrid thing with crush shot lol

But otherwise it's a fast striking weapon with low base damage so

All the regular fist rules apply - you can try for merciful end - impending doom + the stacking doom + athena dash makes enemies pop

[digital widget]

hmm

[kind egret]

you could run zeus lightning, but the bolt damage won't get buffed by the fist

I guess, considering the limitations on what precisely functions with the debuff... artemis attack + crush shot to get the most out of it?

[digital widget]

Artemis is good

i've had good luck with those

[kind egret]

you could try adding in poseidon dash for a dumb bouncy castle build

[digital widget]

yeah its great for shield and fists, ive found

[kind egret]

Like, Poseidon Dash + zeus anything + sea storm + zeus lightning scaling

but it kinda wastes the debuff part

[digital widget]

whats sea storm?

[kind egret]

Poseidon/Zeus Duo - whenever an enemy gets hit by a knockback boon, also strike them with lightning

[digital widget]

ohhhhh cool. Never seen it

yah that's a great build

[kind egret]

you could also try athena on attack, since it does stack with the damage boost from talos, and will give you insane defence

• Aphro shot again for synergy and their duo will give fat damage

actually that sounds pretty good - Use crush shot for burst and spam attacks while waiting for stones to drop

[lavish tinsel]

stubborn roots or divine protection

whats the better pick

[weary ridge]

Divine protection imo

[uneven dagger]

Is Olympian favor worth it?

[full nova]

hmm

i haven't gotten sword across the line, I have zag, nemesis, and poseidon unlocked

any tips?

[queen patrol]

after getting sea storm on fist what should i aim for next for boons? I just finished tart and already have it ahha

keep zesus and get jolted?

[ruby tundra]

Chaos Egg (w/Persuasion) or Coin Purse for farming Titan's Blood?

[wary jackal]

how reliably can you get the 1200 obol by styx?

without the purse

[lethal chasm]

sea storm i always try to get max zeus

[ruby tundra]

Somewhat

[lethal chasm]

if i get the option to try

double lightning strike chance, legendary that shoots extra lightning

more aoe, jolted

[wary jackal]

coin purse isn't a bad starter

you can always swap it out when you reach 2nd act

[lethal chasm]

i always start w Persephone keepsake and then reroll to olympian if i dont like the start

lol

pom'd up core boons, hopefully

[wary jackal]

that's what I usually do as well

[lavish tinsel]

divine protection

oh my god

i love it

[lethal chasm]

werd. coin purse isnt bad id rather take it in asphodel or elysium tho personally

[weary ridge]

Yeah my typical keepsake cycle is something like the god I want > purse > flower > acorn

[lethal chasm]

yea same lol but i use spearhead instead of acorn

broken spearhead w.e

[ruby tundra]

Hmmm

Thanks!

[uneven dagger]

Has anyone made a tier list/build site for this game yet? Might come in handy!

[ruby tundra]

Proudest moment - getting 10th Hades kill with level 1 zagreus sword

Freaking poetic

[subtle bough]

Anyone got the numbers on the buff to the Guan Yu aspect?

[solid cairn]

@cunning urchin https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/392070250511728653/770837232282107944/image0.jpg

[nimble dove]

Is it possible to do a no boon run?

I assume you have to get lucky with the seed

[lavish tinsel]

whats the best aspect for the sword

[weary ridge]

Really depends on what you like

My favorite is the hidden aspect

[kind egret]

is it possible? There's probably enough purging pools available in most runs to cleanse every boon you get, if you also only take boons when forced to, yeah.

[willow fossil]

people speedrun boonless runs at this point lol

yes is possible

[wicked horizon]

whats the best aspect for the sword
@lavish tinsel everything but zagreus is decent. Nemesis has crit chance which is great as a multiplicative damage bonus but you're basically hoping to roll the double dash attack hammer to make it good. Posiedon is good for cast builds but is strongest with lodging casts which are weaker than the best casts like hunting blades. Arthur has crazy high base damages and a lot of safety but you pay for it by having more sluggish attacks which can make you vulnerable to hits more.

They've all got their plusses and minuses. I'm most partial to Poseidon personally. Grab Aphro cast and buff it as much as you can, rotate all your casts with a special and it is great at clearing mobs with some good dps vs bosses too

Boon priority is probably aphro, athena, artemis, demeter. Aphro athena duo gives you backstabbing casts and you can pick up exposed for a lot of bonus damage. Artemis and demeter have the best supplemental cast boons

And athena dash is always good for melee builds

[full nova]

ok only thing I have left to do an initial beat through of hades with is the rail

any tips/builds?

[wicked horizon]

Zeus or dio on attack

[untold iris]

get zeus attack

that's all you need

[wicked horizon]

Ares, aprho, or maybe demeter/poseidon on special

[untold iris]

obviously take upgrades as they come but zeus attack is really the core of most gun builds

you can be flexible after that

[full nova]

ok cool

[wicked horizon]

Best hammers include: triple bomb, rocket bomb, cluster bomb, shotgun, delta chamber

If you're going zeus grab every single zeus boon you can. His legendary makes it easy mode (grab bonus bounces on chain lightning as a prerequisite)

[rain egret]

Am I wrong to always look for Athena’s dash? Reflecting on dash seems op, I don’t see much use on the others

I mean, excluding Zeus build, that scales lightening and electric debuff

[untold iris]

if thats the way you prefer to play its perfectly fine

athena dash is clearly the "best" dash

so you're not doing anything that would be considered bad

[mossy light]

kinda boring that athenas dash is so useful. other dashes need a buff or it should only deflect 1 attack

[rain egret]

I’m mainly asking to know how to well-fit other dashes in build.

kinda boring that athenas dash is so useful. other dashes need a buff or it should only deflect 1 attack
@mossy light I agree.

[mossy light]

the only superfuctional dashes are aphrodite, poseidon and demeter i think

[rain egret]

How’s Demeter useful? I can see how the others can work, but not this

[mossy light]

a slow is a slow

[jovial harness]

it kinda depends on what other boons you can get

[rain egret]

But applying 1 instance of slow is kinda bad

[mossy light]

and artemis i guess

[jovial harness]

like with zeus you can get lightning strikes twice and the jolted thing

[rain egret]

like with zeus you can get lightning strikes twice and the jolted thing
@jovial harness yes, Zeus oriented build has an useful dash

[jovial harness]

demeter has stuff that can make chilling more useful too

also it looks cool

[rain egret]

Mb the thing with dashes is that they can help stacking different debuff for that mirror’s buff

[haughty robin]

How does shared suffering interact with chain shot?

[kind egret]

So far as I know, chain shot just pretends as if you fired the shot in the target direction from the hit location

so it should properly trigger shared suffering

[haughty robin]

Do you know if it triggers shared suffering multiple times if your attack bounces to 3 targets?

[mighty ermine]

it does

[kind egret]

It should(?) follow the same behaviour as if you hit 4 linked targets with the same shot, which from my experience is they explode

[haughty robin]

Looks like the answer to that might be yes, the shot to the rat was 600 but it took 722 share suffering

Cool cool

Feels good to pop 2 rats and a satyr with 2 button presses lol

[gray dagger]

I don’t particularly see how Athena’s dash is the “best”

They’re all very minor and generally not super useful effects

Poseidon’s dash is just generally good

[kind egret]

If my understanding is right, athena dash let's you (effectively) have more iframes when you're dash attacking

that's pretty big

[gray dagger]

I haven’t noticed much of a difference myself

I guess if

It’s harder to time dashes well for you

Then Athena dash is good

[kind egret]

Pretty common for newer players to basically hold down the attack button and spam dash attacks - it's small wonder Athena Dash is considered the holy grail

If you were different, that's great! But I think it's a common experience lol

[gray dagger]

I guess just as you play more you’ll need it less

[haughty robin]

If you play on switch there's no way to avoid wireless controller input lag. So athena is much more forgiving in that regard.

[gray dagger]

I come from Gungeon, where the dodge roll is king

Oh playing on Switch would suck

[full nova]

i don't perceive any wireless input lag from my pro controller

[kind egret]

oh, speaking of, someone was asking me how the switch port held up

does it drop frames at like

end game zeus builds

[full nova]

idk i'm still pretty early/mid game

oh

no

it handles that fine

[gray dagger]

Yeah I figure Switch can run something like botw fine

So Hades should be fine too

[kind egret]

well, depends on optimisation right? that's good to hear though

I wonder if that stays true with more heat modifiers on

like Jury and Overtime

[gray dagger]

Just go max heat and see if your Switch reaches max heat

[dry quiver]

I got way too curious to see how the ares/poseidon duo would work with beowulf aspect. It blows. But it was worth 430gold. Welllll..... 230 after buying a death defiance back after furies.

[kind egret]

don't forget the 150 gold opportunity cost of effectively losing a chamber lol

what does it do, exactly the same as normal ares/poseidon duo but yuou have to bullrush to trigger it?

[dry quiver]

Aye.. It’s weird, always has been for, but getting it so early I had to try it.

[ripe glade]

What's the name of the boon you get to make all your further boons in that run offered to be Epic...

?

[mossy light]

note to self. stop taking the blasted chaos gates before EM bossfights

[ripe glade]

I can never pass up a Chaos gate lol

[cunning urchin]

@ripe glade Exclusive Access.

[ripe glade]

unless a hammer

Ah thanks.. 😄

[cunning urchin]

Lord Dionysus + Poseidon.

[mossy light]

turns out having reduced movespeed against EM3 is hard.

[cunning urchin]

lol it is.

At least it's not reduced dash distance.

[royal helm]

Artemis' support fire has an ICD?

[mossy light]

yes

yay for lucky athena boons! regained all 3 DDs!

[ripe glade]

@cunning urchin yeah, got it by fluke for the first time.. gonna try to hunt it more often.. it really overpowered my run...

at head 11

heat*

[mossy light]

okay, blizzard shot is officially my favorite duo boon

every other duo GTFO

[slender sapphire]

I'm trying to get the prophecy Slashed Benefits and I'm missing Burner.. Is there anything I can do to increase my chances of finding one or do I just do more runs?

[mossy light]

BP2 . dont do that

[slender sapphire]

I can't remember if I've done bp2, does it add an extra benefit to each enemy?

[spark meteor]

Iirc burner is only found in asphodel

It also took me awhile before finding them

[slender sapphire]

Yeah that's what I've heard

[spark meteor]

So ya just do more runs

[mossy light]

more benefits. and they can combo, so everything can go to hell

[spark meteor]

Turning on bp2 could help but god yeah the combos are scary when they can get 2

[slender sapphire]

If I was just grinding out achievements I would just kill myself after hydra until I find it, but I've got a good streak going

Bp2 may not be worth it lol I'll probably just keep playing at bp1 and hope for the best

[full nova]

what direction might I want to go for a hera bow?

[mossy light]

casts of course

all of them work well really, though trippy shot is nice and easy

and it casts the spell on impact, not attached to the shot

[kind egret]

Dionysius, Poseidon, Athena, Aphrodite all have great casts that work with Hera

[mossy light]

poseidon would be one of the best

dio or poseidon, ares isnt the best

[full nova]

how would I want to build my attack around those casts?

[mossy light]

get a good cast, maybe duo it, pom it up

maybe chaos gate it too if you can

[kind egret]

With your attack slot, all it's really doing is getting your privileged status

[full nova]

got it

so just plan an alternate status effect

[kind egret]

yep

Although, if you run into demeter

Try for snow burst first

insanely strong on hera

[spare flare]

Or other combos, such as weakness + Sweet Surrender.

Hunter's + Mark.

Frost in case they live long enough to consider retaliating.

Can even use Thunder because you expect your cast to screw up this area, so you should send a bolt to that guy.

Bonus: Scintillating Feast.

[mossy light]

does anyone else want to scream like the TF2 soldier with the rocket launcher hammer? or is it just me

[jovial harness]

ok give it to me straight whats teh best companion

for winning

[full nova]

WHOA snow burst is awesome

didn't realize it procced on loading the cast into the bow

[kind egret]

Uh, Meg is good, Bouldy is good if you run DD, Dusa is questionably good

[mossy light]

and thats when i fell in love with the herabow

[kind egret]

me but with Beowulf

[mossy light]

than does the most damage and has a nice circle, so it hits bosses

[full nova]

i've got poseidon cast + snow burst

it's gross

[dry quiver]

Support fire does as well. Had both at once before. It was nice

[full nova]

i only have level 1 hera so 10 second return...

[kind egret]

pray for Hermes to save the day

[mossy light]

the return doesnt matter if you just blow them up and grab the crystal

[kind egret]

yeah but bossing lol

[dry quiver]

Return is nice for boss

• exit wounds

[mossy light]

yet again i take a blasted chaos malus into a EM bossfight

fricking brought trap damage into EM2

[full nova]

with trippy shot

do i want full loads?

or do i want to spread the fog as much as possible

[mossy light]

i go full or double tap

[kind egret]

baby girl you know I'm packing full loads to spread my fog

[mossy light]

i tend to double tap just in case

[kind egret]

but genuinely load as much as you think you need to kill the enemy in question

hit them with single shots when you enter the zone

and get a feel for their hp

when it comes to bosses they don't get fogged anyway so load up

[dry quiver]

Situational. Spread if you got boon that gives defense standing in fog. Bunch of little guys to interrupt. Or full load for big guys to take down quick

[kind egret]

yeah the equation changes if you have any of the fog modifiers

[mossy light]

i mean, odds are, you play on instinct and will just dump in as many as you can triggerpress

its not like you actively think before you shoot

[kind egret]

sez you, I operate on 12000 levels at once and have a spreadsheet open to calculate exactly how many rail shots I should spend on each enemy

[full nova]

ugh I hate when hermes scorns me

[mossy light]

no dashes?

[full nova]

nope, and no cast assist, despite refreshing both times i've gotten him

[mossy light]

vicious cycle hunting blades on eris

[ripe glade]

At higher heat levels.. what gods would you recommend to focus on?.. I personally love Doom from Ares over Lightning...

I'm actually liking Hermes more and more...

[sacred folio]

Hermes is technically a hammer. You can get 2 boons max and maybe a 3rd one in the Styx shop. So you can't really focus on him.

[kind egret]

wait, no way

then how do you get the Disciple of Hermes title

[mossy light]

speedrun

[kind egret]

isn't that Hermes would be Proud

[sacred folio]

Disciple of Hermes requires 3 boons of Hermes, one of which must be Legendary.

[kind egret]

ahhh, I see

Gotcha

[full nova]

alright, I have 1 titan blood and want to do a spear run, how should I try running it? I've just done zeus special so far

how's achilles play out?

or should I save up for guan yu

[half crater]

Achilles took a bit to get into for me, as it feels very different to zag, but now it’s probably my favourite spear

it’s like, really really good for cast builds

[full nova]

not yet understanding how it's good for cast builds - do you bull rush then start casting like crazy?

[half crater]

pretty much

it’s quite a lot of bonus damage, and since spear attacks don’t hit that’d hard individually casts are better equipped to take advantage of it

re: Guan Yu, that weapon is pretty hard to play

can be a lot of fun tho

[full nova]

wow yeah this is nuts

i went with blade rift

[half crater]

that’s one of the better choices for achilles, yeah

if you can get an artemis boon, the ares/arty duo Hunting Blades makes it completely ridiculous

[dry quiver]

Never did really read the raging rush giving next “attacks or casts” bonus damage. That makes more sense now. I’ll give it a shot, since it’s up for darkness boost

[full nova]

managed to get hunter dash

should be enough forhunting blades yeah?

[half crater]

maybe?

can’t remember the prereqs off the top of my head

okay looks like hunter dash does work, according to the wiki

[ripe glade]

@sacred folio been liking Hermes more and more.. I used to avoid him when booning up...

[dry quiver]

Same

[full nova]

hmm @half crater any hammer stuff you go for?

i'm looking between hammer and artemis, I technically have what it takes for the duo

well

it's a god battle between artemis and athena

not sure if that can give duos

[viscid pawn]

Which status effects scale best with fast hitting weapons?

[half crater]

trials don’t give duos iirc

[viscid pawn]

Artemis' arrow on hit is a no brainer

But what about the others

[half crater]

hammer wise, serrated point is really good, but can be hard to manage

[ripe glade]

@full nova depends on the weapon too I think

[full nova]

@ripe glade oh sorry, lol, yeah, I'm in the middle of an achilles spear / ares/artemis run

trying to get hunting blades

[half crater]

i like flurry jab a lot as well

explosive launcher and charged skewer are great if you have a good special

honestly, for cast achilles the build isn’t made or broken by hammers tho

[mossy light]

@viscid pawn zeus lightning is best, demeter and ares otherwise

[full nova]

ended up with breaching skewer...so that'll do I guess.

[viscid pawn]

Isn't the lightning more AoE than DPS

[ripe glade]

@full nova Ares call for sure.. get the crtis up as much as possible with Art... and don't underestimate the Attack Spin... and difinately use the range with the spear.. it's easy to try to get close... but use the range..

[half crater]

breaching skewer’s also pretty good

[viscid pawn]

I'm assuming Demeter is with the burst effect when accumulating frost, and Ares is more hit and run than constant damage?

[mossy light]

ares is top for dps in most cases, think about it, +80 damage per second

[viscid pawn]

From which boon?

[mossy light]

just his attack boon

[half crater]

ares is top damage for some weapons, but not all

[dry quiver]

Doing Achilles slicing shot. Pauper’s Grasp? Yes please

[half crater]

nice

[full nova]

this is a rough run. sounds good @ripe glade thank you!

[ripe glade]

@half crater agreed.. but depends on the run I guess.. if using melee weapons.. use crit and deflects... and weak is great...

@full nova don't rush it.... I actually find.. the higher the heat you do.. the better the boon offerings anyways..

[half crater]

ah yes, deflect/crit/weakness

the holy trinity

heat has no effect on boons

[full nova]

yeah doing only heat 1 right now

BOOM got hunting blades.

it was messy getting to there

[ripe glade]

@half crater I'm still a new player myself.. I don't know.. only going from my experience.. but I did see that when I do higher heat.. I seem to get better offerings of boons.. I do a few farming runs..

and don't get as many good boons

[half crater]

It’s just rng I’m afraid; guess you just got lucky on you higher heat runs

also: yus hunting blades!

[ripe glade]

RNG is aslso based on heat level is not?

[half crater]

i went though a phase where i just played achilles hunting blades over and over

it’s so good

[spark meteor]

nope heat level should only affect what u see on the pact

[half crater]

^

[ripe glade]

RNG is based on many numbers.. and heat level is a number that affects RNG

[full nova]

nooooo and hydra finished me off

[half crater]

oof

[ripe glade]

HYDRA?.. NOOO

[full nova]

i think i'm getting it though

probably wouldn't mind athena dash.

[spark meteor]

well i guess(?) in a way(?) but heat doesnt directly affect rng

[full nova]

when I go to pick up my stuff

[half crater]

yeah athena dash is always good

[spark meteor]

athena dash is god tier in hydra

[ripe glade]

Athena Dash is almost a must

[spark meteor]

esp with FO1

[half crater]

indeed

[ripe glade]

It's sometimes hard to get it, if you don't choose her keepsake

[half crater]

Yeah heat might be a number used to calculate rng, i dunno how that works in the backend, but you’re not more likely to get good boons on higher heat

like, smashing pots in rooms effects the rng as well, but you’re not more likely to get good boons if you smash them all

[spark meteor]

ive been trying to veer away from using athena dash cuz i feel like im being too reliant on it

but it takes some time getting used to it lol

[half crater]

lol i should prolly do that

[ripe glade]

Got a great boon tonight at tier 10 tonight for the first time.. where all your future boons are Epic...

never got that offering before

[half crater]

i’m definitely too reliant on divine dash

exclusive access, yeah

[ripe glade]

sorry.. I mean heat 10

yeah

[half crater]

that’s duo boon, so you probably didn’t meet the prereqs before

[ripe glade]

I tried to hunt it 3 times since..

I did look it up.. and tried to get it again.. it's very hard to get it before Elysium

[spark meteor]

just use the poseidon and dio keepsakes and hope for the best lol

[half crater]

i’m not as experienced with heat as some people, but i mostly play in the 32-40 heat range; i would love it if that gave me better boons lol

[spark meteor]

also the mirror talent for duo chances

[half crater]

^

[ripe glade]

I did even look at the codex each time

[spark meteor]

and ariadne from well if u can and the nectar offering from eurydice i guess can help

[ripe glade]

well..is a great a boon.. but sacraficed my damage and other stuff.. I failed the runs

[half crater]

it happens; i’ve lost runs with perfect builds more times than i’d care to count lol

[ripe glade]

Most success for me at the minute (Ares[Doom on Special{Bow})

A Rail too.. I love the Lucifer Aspect.. with the hammer upgrades.. it's just sick..

[half crater]

my first win was with rail iirc

[ripe glade]

Me too.. but... I only got the game after Early Access.. lots of guys here been playing this Early Access where it A Rail wasnt a thing

in fact.. I see many pro vid's.. and still not of exp players don't like it

[half crater]

lucifer is certainly not great for high heat, yeah

but eris is a top tier weapon

[ripe glade]

@half crater I'm on heat 12 so far with it... it has massive blast damage with doom.. and get the hammer special upgrades.. and go for slow and weak on them.. it's amazing... get some Zues on it too for sugar..

[winter carbon]

Get the super soaker out

[ripe glade]

lol

[half crater]

yeah super soaker does seem to be the lucy meta

never tried it myself; prolly will at some point

[winter carbon]

Super soaker or Zeus seems to do pretty alright with Lucifer but I'm by no means super experienced

[ripe glade]

it's what I love about this game.. each weapon.. each aspect.. each upgrade.. it's just so dynamic.. there really isn't a wrong way... it's just I love finding new ways.. amazing.. 😄

[plain mantle]

Wowow guan feels SOO much better

[ripe glade]

I wish they add a co-op mode.. lol

[spark meteor]

whats the general consensus on best casting aspect? poseidon or achiles? (disregarding beowulf n hera cuz meh)

[half crater]

they’ve said the won’t add co-op sadly

their focus is on the single player experience

which is fair ig

[ripe glade]

yeah I know... and I know the reason.. but still.. it's crap not being able to share it with friends

[half crater]

whats the general consensus on best casting aspect? poseidon or achiles? (disregarding beowulf n hera cuz meh)
@spark meteor okay first of all, no shade on beo

that’s my main there, friend

[spark meteor]

HAHAHAHA sorry not a huge beo fan 😅

[ripe glade]

@half crater got any knockbacks already?

[half crater]

lol nah that’s fine

each to their own

[ripe glade]

@half crater get some knockbacks for sure

[half crater]

i mean, yeah i’ve used poseidon boons

i just haven’t played much lucifer

[dry quiver]

Oof. Chaos just boned my Achilles + slicing shot + hunting blades run. Cast get hit, special get hit or can’t collect casts for 12.75s. Out of rerolls

[half crater]

Re: best cast aspect, my feeling is that achilles is straight up better for non sticking casts like dio, demeter and ares.

For sticking casts, poseidon is competitive. Does it win out? I’m honestly not sure

that achilles damage buff is soooo big

[spark meteor]

ok thats fair

[ripe glade]

@half crater it's relative man.. erm.. yeah.. I'd try to get knockbacks on attack... and get doom on the special.. and lighting on the cast..

bounce cast

[spark meteor]

i do like the feeling of pulling exit wounds kills with the poseidon special

[half crater]

zeus casts is generally decent yeah

[spark meteor]

but true achiles bonus seems so beefy

[half crater]

pretty big in the speedrun meta from what i’ve heard

yeah exit wounds + poseidon is golden

[ripe glade]

it you get Epic's zues on cast.. amazing.. but start with doom.. keepsake doom.. get the special first

Ares keepsake at the start of run

then get the special on the doom

[half crater]

that’s why i generally go arty cast on it; easier access to exit wounds, easier access to fully loaded

[vague ermine]

Hey guys what do i build arround serrated point spear?

[half crater]

stack attack and dash attack, pretty much

[vague ermine]

is zagreus spear fine with that?

[half crater]

i generally try to nab extra dashes from hermes if i can, or extra speed or something at least to help offset the debuff as well

it’s still good on zag, yeah, although you might want to take special hammers with that aspect

if you get the choice, anyway

[vague ermine]

Okay thanks! :v)

[ripe glade]

Extra dashes are great

[half crater]

delicious i-frames

[winter carbon]

getting the epic dash boon from hermes is angelic

[half crater]

you can upgrade it to heroic

+4 dashes

[ripe glade]

I'm about 12 heats in with most weapons..... I'm still a noob myself.. I'm about 12 heats in with most weapons.. but I always find my most succesful runs is starting with the Ares keepsake and getting Doom on special (except spear)...

[half crater]

it’s... honestly probably more dashes than you’ll need, but i want them anyway

idk if 12 heat counts as a noob

[winter carbon]

Hey if you got tidal dash you dont even need your weapon anymore

[ripe glade]

Dashes I can do with 2... but yeah.. Hermes along your travels is helpful.. but not required

I over Dash lol

[half crater]

tidal dash + sea storm + greatest reflex

who needs weapons when you have splash

[ripe glade]

Sea Storm is awesome

[winter carbon]

throw in a rupture there too for good measure I guess

[half crater]

most people over dash i think

myself included

[spark meteor]

and the bonus dmg vs bosses

never thought about it but does ^ that boon give dmg against mini bosses

[half crater]

i’m still convinced that splash dash builds are the purpose of gilgamesh

[spark meteor]

or just normal bosses

[ripe glade]

There's there a boon I had today.. which was great... I'm not good at remembering names.. means you did 75% damage when moving fast.. but had the boon from hermes which gave me 30% faster move anyways...

[half crater]

oh it has, like a cool special with main or something? nah idc

it has 2 extra dashes

dash to win

[winter carbon]

Dash build is best build

[ripe glade]

Hermes is an underated god

[spark meteor]

i main gilga rn and jsut dashing is my bread n butter

[half crater]

that’d be rush delivery

[spark meteor]

forget about special most of the time

[ripe glade]

Yeah that's i @half crater

it*

[winter carbon]

I love having the divine dash and the doom+deflect detonates doom duo

[ripe glade]

loved it.. but having faster movement anyways..

[winter carbon]

Makes me feel like some kind of ninja

[half crater]

they just buffed both aphro and zeus dash

[spark meteor]

I love having the divine dash and the doom+deflect detonates doom duo
@winter carbon yep this my main build i fall back on lol

[half crater]

they’re prolly way worse than pos for gilg, but i still kinda wanna try them

[spark meteor]

i should try another tidal/thunder build tho

[ripe glade]

Go get some Doom

Doom is amazing

Ares builds

I just shoot once at a foe.. don't even need to see him die.. he'd be dead when I get back to him.. lo

[half crater]

can be quite effective yeah

[winter carbon]

Yeah although doom tends to fall off later on unless you get the synergy going in my experience

[ripe glade]

Which I did with the hellfire from the A rail.. it's a pulse thing.. so it dooms anyways.. 😄

[winter carbon]

Fair enough

[ripe glade]

but I can work with Doom on any special.. not so much the spear.. but works amazing..

anyways.. guys.. keep on trucking :D.. loving the game.. there's just so many ways to play this game.. lol. I love it.. :D.. goodnight all 😄

[spark geyser]

Hi, new here 👋 I meant to join the place after I completed the main story, but didn't get around to it until just now.

I've been working with this interesting build using L-Rail and the Zeus Chain Lightning attack boon, with Hunter's Mark and Pressure Points. It's been... frighteningly strong, thus far. Only about 8 heat though, so take that with a grain of salt.

[kind egret]

yep, you've stumbled into The Secret of The Rail

Lightning Strike + Anything is good

[rare kayak]

just had the worst idea

[half crater]

oh no

[rare kayak]

em4 hades has both boiling and infernal blood

[half crater]

true

[rare kayak]

well he kinda has infernal anyway

since the casts slow in a radius

[half crater]

oh i thought you meant infernal soul

you mean abyssal blood

[spark geyser]

Come to think of it, I've barely ever used specials for any of the weapons, sans Guan Yu spear specficially. Is that a problem? Is there something I'm missing here?

[rare kayak]

yeah that

[half crater]

they don’t slow you when you’re hit tho?

[rare kayak]

you dont use special on sword? or rail?? or chiron???

yeah thats why i said idea

[half crater]

or make you deal less damage?

[spark geyser]

I've gone this whole run without using special on 8 heat L-rail

[rare kayak]

abyssal and boiling blood on em4 hades

[kind egret]

@spark geyser depends on the weapon

[rare kayak]

make it happen supergiant

[half crater]

ohh i see

[spark geyser]

I might use Sword Nova on Nemesis specifically

[rare kayak]

i rarely use special on spear if not gy but thats about it

[kind egret]

Sometimes using the special is just gonna be a dps loss

[spark geyser]

Yeah, that's been my general experience

[half crater]

ngl i kinda want MM to work in EM4

is that masochistic?

[tranquil violet]

If you're not using the special with Eris rail...

[half crater]

it probably is

[tranquil violet]

[kind egret]

also whether or not you're using the special to trigger Privileged Status

[rare kayak]

the thing about specials is that they usually cover something which u cant, usually having a wider area of attack

[tranquil violet]

Also special on shield is critical to several aspects...

[kind egret]

Yeah, that said, all the specials have specific, very good uses

on rail for instance

casting the special is free while you're reloading

no reason not to immediately pop it off the second you run out of ammo

[half crater]

and it gives you +75% damage

wait

non eris rail exists

[tranquil violet]

Shhh no they don't

[kind egret]

They're using Hidden Rail I think

[tranquil violet]

My psychiatrist told me they're not real

And they can't hurt me

[half crater]

well, i’m not going to argue with a medical professional

[spark geyser]

I've been having a lot of fun with Lucifer for a while, I'm not sure why you'd be averse to it

[rare kayak]

special on spear is just not great tbh

[tranquil violet]

Special on Guan Yu is bae

[rare kayak]

unless gy yeah

[tranquil violet]

Special on Achilles is a fantastic buff

[half crater]

lucy is a pretty fun aspect

[rare kayak]

even achilles you use it for buffing rather than for damage

[half crater]

but it falls off at higher heat unfortunately

[kind egret]

Eris Rail is just extremely overtuned right now

[tranquil violet]

And Hades actually has a secondary special

[spark geyser]

I see

[tranquil violet]

If you press ||R in front of the spear you can change to a different aspect||

It's OP

I'm not a fan of Hades (the spear aspect) so far :p

[kind egret]

If you dash out of the spin charge, you spin while dashing

[half crater]

i thought i wasn’t a fan of hades aspect

[spark geyser]

Uh

[tranquil violet]

That's true with all spear aspects

[spark geyser]

How does the "infinite ammo but no ramping" work with the "+100% ramping" Hammer boons?

[half crater]

but then i did a rando run, and absolutely smashed through 90% of the game

[tranquil violet]

Though the distance the spin travels without you differs

[kind egret]

you can't get them simultaneously

[spark geyser]

Ah, okay

Was wondering if I should YOLO for it with the anvil

[tranquil violet]

Delta chamber is good though

Just don't forget to spam specials too

[half crater]

that’s not delta chamber

that’s eternal chamber

[tranquil violet]

Ahhh

My bad

[half crater]

which is less good

unless you have lightning

[kind egret]

They definitely have lightning

[half crater]

and admittedly most people have lightning

[kind egret]

Mentioned it earlier

[tranquil violet]

Danger! Danger!

[half crater]

ah fair, must’ve missed that

[tranquil violet]

High voltage! When we touch, when we kiss!

[spark geyser]

don tuch me

[tranquil violet]

Fire in the disco.

Fire in the

Taco Bell

[rare kayak]

think ive said it here before but the problem with ramping is that u only really gain enough kill power on shot like 16 of a clip

[kind egret]

just get more ammo

[tranquil violet]

Also if you're standing still and not dashing around like a mosquito on adderall are you really playing Hades?

[kind egret]

If you mean you think you have to stand still to fire the laser

[rare kayak]

feel like maybe a better change to lucifer would just be the laser dealing more dmagae the less ammo you have

[spark geyser]

You don't have to stand still?

[tranquil violet]

You can dash while lasering

Kinda

[rare kayak]

instead of having to focus one enemy at a time

[kind egret]

yeah

[tranquil violet]

It stays locked on

Within reason

[rare kayak]

it stays locked on but can be finicky

[tranquil violet]

Yeah basically that

You can approach and "strafe" with dodges

[spark geyser]

I like to dash through the enemy in this run specifically, got the divine dash and deflect exposure boons

[tranquil violet]

But if you angle too far back you lose the lock

[rare kayak]

thats why what i said mightve been better for lucifer

but idk

[spark geyser]

I haven't actually tried Eris yet

I should give it a few goes

[kind egret]

Eris is one that gets exponentially better the more blood you put into it

[tranquil violet]

I am not good with Eris yet but when I get a good rhythm with it it feels like I'm always attacking

Any moment I am not shooting I am lobbing projectiles

Always be attacking

[spark geyser]

Thank goodness I have 30 blood sitting around

[half crater]

that’s quite a lot

[tranquil violet]

I mean it gets linearly better

[spark geyser]

Alright, time to beat up an old codger, I'll be just a moment

[tranquil violet]

It's only like 5-10% dmg per level no?

I forget the exact amount

[half crater]

yeah what’s the starting bonus of eris?

[kind egret]

It scales like 25-75 I think but

[tranquil violet]

Sounds about right

[kind egret]

25% isn't a lot and 75% is a lot, you feel me?

[half crater]

even 25% bonus universal damage for 8 seconds is nothing to sneeze at

[rare kayak]

25% is a lot when its the only damage bonus for doom or lightning

its not absolutely a lot but its relatively a lot

[half crater]

yeah exactly

75% on the other hand... lmao

[rare kayak]

lmao

[tranquil violet]

Eris with fast tracking meme beams...

Ahhh that was a fun run

[rare kayak]

i wonder if merciful end applies before or after impending

[spark geyser]

I see

[half crater]

it works

impending doom has no downsides on a merciful end build; it’s just free damage

[rare kayak]

yeah i was just wondering

because me has a combo damage bonus

[tranquil violet]

That's a lot of damage.

[half crater]

oh i see what you mean

[tranquil violet]

Grant me the aspect of Flex Tape

[half crater]

yeah i don’t think the combo damage is increased by impending, but i could be wrong

[spark geyser]

Say, I've wanted to ask- How does dodge chance scaling work? I like to run around with Zagreus Malphon and Lambent Plume for maximum dodge chance, but can it go even further? Like, where's the cap?

[kind egret]

Inverse Multiplicative

[tranquil violet]

Chaos and Hermes boons can help

[half crater]

there is no cap lmao

[winter carbon]

I'd presume it stacks diminishingly right?

[half crater]

you can become invulnerable

[kind egret]

wait hold on

[spark geyser]

what.

[half crater]

it was recently proven

[kind egret]

I was just told something different

[tranquil violet]

Dodge change is, like most of the stuff in the game, additive

[half crater]

^

[kind egret]

holy hell

[spark geyser]

So if I were to say, get a Heroic dodge boon from Hermes, then flawless with Lambent...

[half crater]

it’s pretty hard to get there, but you can have 100% dodge

[rare kayak]

easiest is the call dodge from hermes i think

[tranquil violet]

It would require a LOT of luck

[half crater]

yeah

[rare kayak]

that one has the biggest dodge bonus

[spark geyser]

I guess I could stack up the call dodge with Artemis call

[winter carbon]

You can get the dodge on calls right and then hermes plume... and greater evasion with the fists

[tranquil violet]

Or you'd need boons that give you dodge bonuses after actually doing something

[rare kayak]

its like 30 at base or smth

[half crater]

there’s a reason it took this long to prove

[rare kayak]

then toull need smouldering

to keep up the calls

[kind egret]

actually out of curiosity

do all the calls require the same amount of damage

[rare kayak]

probably not? artemis separates the bar into 20% instead of 25% like the rest

[half crater]

it isn’t damage based, it’s attack based

[tranquil violet]

I don't think it's actually based on damage but rather number of hits or something?

Yeah

[spark geyser]

Yeah, it's #of hits

[kind egret]

huh???????????

[spark geyser]

Can confirm

[kind egret]

oh my god

[tranquil violet]

I've noticed it builds way faster with builds that hit repeatedly

[rare kayak]

oh huh

that makes sense

[spark geyser]

L-rail, Twin Fists

[half crater]

arthur charges very slowly, rail charges quickly

[rare kayak]

we finally found excalibur’s weakness

[tranquil violet]

It also goes up when you take damage

So Excalibur is covered

[half crater]

excalibur’s weakness has always been its slowness lol

and it’s inability to deal with DC

[tranquil violet]

DC?

[kind egret]

Damage Control

[tranquil violet]

I don't know what that means in this context

[half crater]

So Excalibur is covered
@tranquil violet yeah... pretty much this

[tranquil violet]

You mean not taking damage?

[kind egret]

The pact of Punishment - Damage Control

[tranquil violet]

Oh

The pact

[kind egret]

Enemies have blue shields

[half crater]

oh whoops quoted the wrong thing

[tranquil violet]

I mean that's fine

[half crater]

yeah not taking damage

[tranquil violet]

the first hit isn't important anyways

It's all about the second and third hits :p

Though DC2 and DC3 would blow chunks

[half crater]

it might seem that way, but trust me, DC2 on arthur is pain

[tranquil violet]

What would work to take down shields?

A cast like Zeus or Ares maybe?

[kind egret]

Hangover Dash lol

[half crater]

dashing mostly

[tranquil violet]

Or that

[half crater]

lol why would you choose hangover

[kind egret]

most damage instances in shortest amount oftime

[half crater]

well, true

[tranquil violet]

Yeah I don't think hangover damage instances affect shields though...?

Do they?

[kind egret]

good question!

[half crater]

but on the other hand, you have to take drunken dash

[tranquil violet]

Yeah that's a major downside

[half crater]

yeah hangover works

on shields that is

[tranquil violet]

Drunken Dash's biggest flaw is being Drunken Dash

Other than that it's great

[half crater]

sadly true

[kind egret]

just pom it 12-15 times

and you're in business

[half crater]

i hope they buff it somehow

lmao

i kinda wanna do that now

drunken dash only blossom run

[kind egret]

new meta

[rare kayak]

i mean if poseidon dash could do it

[tranquil violet]

Drunken Dash and Sweet Nectar only

[rare kayak]

although you’d want an ares boon probably

[half crater]

okay

dash only runs

[rare kayak]

for the curse

[half crater]

what’s the ranking?

[tranquil violet]

Just never use the Poseidon or Aphro attacks

[kind egret]

the year is 2035, gilgamesh is the only weapon

[rare kayak]

you would need aphro attack

[tranquil violet]

Only get them for Sweet Nectar

[rare kayak]

hangover extra stack only on weak

[tranquil violet]

So you can pom up your drunken dash

[half crater]

posi first, then athena, ofc

[rare kayak]

if you mean duo

[half crater]

arty dash is at the bottom

but how do the rest rank?

[tranquil violet]

Zeus dash build can actually work seriously

[kind egret]

how can Poseidon be at the top when Drunken Dash clearly scales better at 24 poms

[tranquil violet]

though the amount of lightning will get obnoxious fast

[half crater]

yeah prolly zeus > aphro > dio ig

[tranquil violet]

Demeter dash could vaguely be possible with... Arctic Blast was it?

The 10 chill -> boom one

But it'd be terrible to play

[kind egret]

killing freeze ez

[half crater]

oh how did i forget about demeter lol

[kind egret]

god I wish the arc on demeter was bigger

or started earlier in the dash

[half crater]

she’s prolly between zeus and aphro, i’d guess?

[tranquil violet]

I mean at least she does some damage

If you're lucky with other boons

[half crater]

yeah

[tranquil violet]

Athena dash is as always great

[half crater]

there’s some synergies there, tho not as good as the zeus ones

[tranquil violet]

Deflecting works on melee too anyways

[rare kayak]

demeter’s would need a high level blast

p surr

[tranquil violet]

So with some extra dash and timing you could make Athena work

[half crater]

yeah there’s a reason i our athena second, even for a dash only run

[kind egret]

Wait is that true though

[tranquil violet]

Especially with Brilliant Riposte of such I guess

[kind egret]

Melee enemies don't take damage from deflections do they

[half crater]

like, grab brilliant reposte and you’re basically set

[rare kayak]

zeus might be able to make it if u can grab lightning reflexes too for more lightning

[tranquil violet]

more zaps

[half crater]

actually...

[tranquil violet]

Gotta get all the zaps

[kind egret]

Because imagine killing the minotaur

30 damage at a time

[half crater]

zeus might be better than athena

for dash only

god that feels weird to say

[rare kayak]

with jolted as well

[tranquil violet]

Yeah I mean Zeus is the only one that I think would make an even half reasonable actual build

[half crater]

yeah

[rare kayak]

either cold fusion or smart dodging

[tranquil violet]

You can definitely build Zeus around dashing

[rare kayak]

nah someones 32 heat pos dash is out there

[tranquil violet]

With Cold fusion, Static Discharge, etc

[rare kayak]

can find on yt

[kind egret]

can't get cold fusion since you don't have other skills lol

[rare kayak]

i mean u can

[tranquil violet]

You can take Demeter Cast and never use it

[rare kayak]

just hope blossom doesnt screw you

[tranquil violet]

(Like usual.)

And then purge it once you get Cold Fusion :p

[kind egret]

😂

[half crater]

okay yeah so

[rare kayak]

dem cast isnt a cold fusion req i think?

[half crater]

what’re the rules

[rare kayak]

not sure

only dash

thats it

[half crater]

is it no attack/special at all?

[rare kayak]

everything else no

[tranquil violet]

I think Cold Fusion is any of the main Demeter boons

And Static Discharge on Zeus

[rare kayak]

and obv aspect of enkidu

[half crater]

okay yeah i like that

[rare kayak]

gilgamesh

whatever

[half crater]

that way there’s more interesting builds

[rare kayak]

aspect of toe bean

[half crater]

so can you summon?

[tranquil violet]

Reminding me to go tickle my cats' beans

brb tickling some beans

[rare kayak]

if aspects are the actual weapons the person used did gilgamesh just have toe beans like the whole time

[spark geyser]

Alright, first try on eris, here we go

[tranquil violet]

Note to self: beans have blades attached

[half crater]

lol

good to know

[tranquil violet]

Why would god put something so sharp next to something so soft?

[half crater]

it’s a mystery

[spark geyser]

I have a question about eris already 😅

Is crit chance a goal or

[kind egret]

nah

[tranquil violet]

Not really no

I mean you could but eh

[half crater]

arty special isn’t bad on it

[kind egret]

same as your Lucy build

[spark geyser]

I see

[kind egret]

get lightning, go ham

[tranquil violet]

Zeus attack, as usual

[half crater]

but i wouldn’t say it’s your goal no

[spark geyser]

So Zeus attack, gotcha

[tranquil violet]

And Aphro special imo

You could also do Poseidon special and Sea Storm

[half crater]

arty special lets you grab support fire

[tranquil violet]

Support fire is underrated insofar as it charges Call

But damage is eh

But it is free damage

[spark geyser]

Oop, left the plume on

Ah well, live and learn

[half crater]

it’s a pretty good damage increase on eris

[tranquil violet]

Every damage increase is better on Eris :p

[kind egret]

Why would god put something so sharp next to something so soft?
As the old joke goes - God has to be a civil engineer, because who else would put a waste water runoff next to a recreational zone

[tranquil violet]

25-75% better

@kind egret oh come on

[half crater]

well, on rail in general it’s good

[tranquil violet]

I love that joke

[half crater]

that’s a lotta support fire arrow

[tranquil violet]

But you can't tell it without the whole lead up

You just skipped to the punchline 😦

[kind egret]

It's only funny to other engineers anyway 😂

[tranquil violet]

Yeah but the best part is improvising several different drunk engineers before

[kind egret]

good point, good point

[tranquil violet]

"No no, said the chemical engineer..."

"For whom alcohol was in fact the solution."

You can improvise so much

That's half the fun of that joke

[kind egret]

Damn that's good

[tranquil violet]

You just get people going for like 5 minutes with 3-4 different drunk engineers bickering

And then you do your best drunken drawl when you land the civil engineer punchline

[kind egret]

I didn't realise we had a pro in here hot damn

[toxic rose]

Whats the general strat for beowulf shield aphrodite cast

[half crater]

use infernal soul, if you aren’t already

[kind egret]

Get Snow Burst

[tranquil violet]

You ever hear the one about the monks trying to pay their belfry taxes?

[kind egret]

go ham

[toxic rose]

Do u force artemis as the 3rd god

[kind egret]

no I haven't actually

why would you

[spark geyser]

Just rolled zeus multiple times to no avail, oof

[toxic rose]

Or just prey for extra cast from chaos/eell

[tranquil violet]

In a lovely little European town some time in the late 18th century there were a group of monks. They were running behind on their belfry taxes and so they decided to start selling flowers from their garden to make up the shortfall.

[half crater]

don’t get carried away loading all the casts in if you don’t have too; it’s easy to just yeet them all but it’s better if you only use what you need

[toxic rose]

Well*

[tranquil violet]

Now this irritated the local florists in town, because everyone wanted to buy flowers from the men of god instead of them.

[half crater]

if you have fated persuasion, reroll non +% cast damage or + bloodstone chaos boons

stack all your poms in your cast ofc

you wanna get it to level 5 ideally

[tranquil violet]

So they all got together and went to the monastery and politely explained the situation and asked the good friars if they would cease undercutting their business.

[half crater]

sweet surrender is good

i generally run fiery presence on beo, as you’re not getting that many backstabs

[tranquil violet]

The monks declined, much to their chagrin. The next day they went back, this time angry, and yelled at the monks, telling them how they couldn't put food on the table and their families were suffering.

[spark geyser]

TFW you're a musician and don't understand any of the engineering jokes

[tranquil violet]

The monks nonetheless declined again.

So the florists took drastic measures

[spark geyser]

I'm not too sharp >.>

I'm a bit flat, even ;~;

[tranquil violet]

They went to the local tavern and hired Hugh McTaggart, the meanest roughest guy in town, to go shake down the friars and teach them a lesson.

The next day, the monks stopped selling flowers, proving once again

Only Hugh can stop florist friars.

[half crater]

applause

[toxic rose]

What about dio cast on beo

[half crater]

dio cast can also work

you wanna go stygian soul with it

[kind egret]

I got bad news for you though I'm not american 😂

[toxic rose]

But 1cast kinda sux

[half crater]

i find aphro to be more consistent, but if stuff lines up right dio is probably better

[kind egret]

yeah hell no on the Stygian soul

1 cast feels so bad