rare rare crop chooses 2
#h1-builds-and-combat
opal lodge
maiden wolf
i figured as much
maiden wolf
is there a heroic?
opal lodge
i dont think its possible to roll heroics unless theyre replacements
at least ive never seen it
maiden wolf
ahhh
i was wondering about that
last night i got 3 heroics and they were all replacements
was starting to piss me off lmao
winter osprey
the more I play, the more I am underwhelmed by Aphrodite
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maiden wolf
Aphrodite + Artemis combo is absolutely mental
Massive damage + crits forever = a whalin good time
winter osprey
ah yes, I understand that if you get duo or full gear things are good
but RNG is not kind to me most of the times
maiden wolf
Aphrodite also just gives far and away the highest damage buffs alongside her boons
winter osprey
yeah, that her damage buffs are the saving grace, but I have noticed that other gods let me clear much faster.
like Zeus lightning kills all the surrounding mobs in the butterfly mini-boss fight
opal lodge
underwhelmed by highest base modifier, possible best status, and amazing duos
what are you whelmed by
grim dune
it sorta depends what weapon you're using
with a fast weapon on hit like zeus is gonna be better
maiden wolf
yeah, zeus combos a lot better with fists and thats just how it is
grim dune
yeah, her % scaling is so high
turbid needle
Especially with Sweet Surrender
maiden wolf
Also any AoE weapon makes butterfly balls a cakewalk
opal lodge
smouldering air is also possibly one of the most game breaking duos
among all the different game breaking duos out there
grim dune
aphrodite with excalibur is fairly hilarious
turbid needle
And because you don't need an extra boon to get the status curse, it pairs well with Privileged Position
grim dune
Hello I'd like to take no damage please
turbid needle
For even more damage
grim dune
oh also I hit like a freight train
opal lodge
add hyper sprint on that and hades hits you for single digit damage with no pact
turbid needle
It's my go-to for Hestia. Aphrodite Demeter
grim dune
I haven't experimented with Hestia yet... I think it's kind a weakness of the unlocking system / titanblood. Every time I found a weapon I loved I threw the full 15 blood in to it so even pushing up in to higher heat 100 hours in I still don't have everything unlocked lol
from what I've seen on youtube it seems like a fun weapon tho, and yeah aphro with it would be amazing
winter osprey
well maybe instead of upgrading everything we just need to git gud
turbid needle
I slept on it at first, but if you don't mind constantly reloading between every shot, it has some pretty incredible DPS from a very safe distance
grim dune
one shot, one kill <chuck-chuck>
turbid needle
150 base, and it has 50% more range too
with Aphrodite and Fiery Presence, non-armored foes just pop
turbid needle
That or pierce, to make it pseudo-AoE
But only Daedalus can decide that fate
But there are few things more satisfying than holding position in the center of the room and taking out each enemy as they spawn
Styx can be a bit rough though, if small rats block shots
winter osprey
I can't imagine a stationary playstyle in this game
I'm always on the move with divine dash
grim dune
small rats I'd imagine you just do what I usually do which is keep on dashing and shooting, and ignore hestia mechanic
opal lodge
on hestia youre basically just a mobile mortar tower so
tender stirrup
spawn camping the enemies with Aspect of Hades sweep attack is fun when you get the daedalus hammers for it
grim dune
I hate those rats. They move so fast on FO2
rugged wave
is zeus on special good on chiron?
cunning urchin
No.
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tender stirrup
yeah, it doesn't hit several times
rugged wave
Its not once per arrow?
tender stirrup
unfortunately not
rugged wave
I guess its the same for dino special?
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rugged wave
might just go for the ares dino duo then
untold iris
I think that after athena, aphrodite is probably the most generally powerful god tbh
she has so many useful boons
tender stirrup
my main problem with aphrodite is I don't like her cast very much
rugged wave
but zeus doe
untold iris
just dont take her cast
turbid needle
What is the cool down on Zeus? Or more accurately, what gets weakened by it other than Chiron special?
untold iris
weak attack/special is great, the secondary boons that make enemies do less damage or take more damage are great, the legendary is great, a bunch of her duo boons are great
maiden wolf
Does any accrued Pierced Butterfly bonus disappear when you swap off to a different keepsake?
tender stirrup
yeah, and she has the highest base damage bonuses, right?
untold iris
yes
rugged wave
is dying lament actually useful?
turbid needle
Only against rats IMO
maiden wolf
yes to the pierced butterfly disappearing?
untold iris
her attack/special are specifically really good because they do a lot of damage, apply a status curse, and make you take less damage
turbid needle
Unless you have a duo that makes Weak better
cunning urchin
Heartbreak Strike imo is BiS on all Stygius Aspects, Zagreus Spear, Guan Yu, Beowulf, all bows except Rama, Gilgamesh, and Hestia. That's literally half the aspects.
tender stirrup
aphrodite strike with Aspect of Arthur is always fun because of the stupid base damage
rugged wave
plus the weak man if u stick in the aura take achilles and all the dmg reduction boons
opal lodge
@maiden wolf yes pierced butterfly and lambent plume have to be used for the entire run to truly reap rewards
maiden wolf
sad
rugged wave
everything just tickles u
untold iris
I've been playing sword recently to try and get better at it and so far I think my preferred loadout is heartbreak strike on nemesis sword
I tried messing around with poseidon sword and arthur but they felt really clunky to me
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untold iris
critting for 3000 with arthur was really silly though, but I take a ton more damage vs regular enemies with that sword
rugged wave
I like artemis attack on sword
cunning urchin
Dying Lament is good. Dying Lament with Billowing Strength is great.
rugged wave
nemesis
cunning urchin
Heartbreak Strike beats Deadly Strike in DPS on Nemesis.
rugged wave
really?
tender stirrup
Excalibur is very fun to play with, but you have to build dashes into your attack combos/special usage to not get mauled
untold iris
yeah since nemesis has built in crit already
cunning urchin
Yes.
untold iris
and crit scales with damage
turbid needle
I always feel underwhelmed by Artemis builds
untold iris
so getting a higher damage modifier makes nemesis's existing crits deal more damage
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rugged wave
well yeah but I like having 50% crit or something like that
turbid needle
Artemis has such good synergy with everything but herself I feel
cunning urchin
It also works way better with Heart Rend because all your Dash-Strikes apply Weak directly.
You can get all the benefits of Lady Artemis's t2 crit boons by just getting e.g. her Deadly Flourish.
tender stirrup
the thing I don't like about Artemis is that she's the only god incapable of reliably applying status curses
untold iris
i think right now im trying aphro start on nemesis sword for heartbreak strike, and then looking for some combination of athena/zeus/artemis as my next god
grim dune
does zeus lighting it really not strike a bunch of times on Chiron special? I've used it a few times and I swear it's been chunking enemies
untold iris
the more I play with smoldering air the more absurd it seems
cunning urchin
Heartbreak Strike + Hunter Dash + Deadly Flourish if you want speed.
And get Heart Rend.
untold iris
so I take zeus after starting aphrodite just for that duo boon lol
rugged wave
yeah smoldering air with billowing strength so good
cunning urchin
I think Nemesis benefits more from Heart Rend than Smoldering Air, personally. At least in my experience.
grim dune
smouldering air is pretty interesting... some boons really benefit heavily from max gauge bonus, but with others it's insane
rugged wave
zeus call smoldering air and billowing strength is fun
untold iris
so far I've had it with dio call, which is a ton of dps, as well as with poseidon call, which basically let me play super aggressively and constantly i-frame boss attacks
both have been really good
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maiden wolf
laaaaaame
is there any other room-counting mechanic besides those two that don't include styx chambers?
grim dune
I don't think so, the small rooms count for pom blossom, rare crop, and for keepsake progression
proven osprey
willow fossil
styx tunnels count as encounters for everything except plume and butterfly
for those only the last room counts
sweet blade
How does spread fire interact with the aspect of hestias reload damage?
frosty jolt
Oh dear. If you're using Fists, have a Demeter boon on your special, and the hammer upgrade which heals you when you kill with your special...
Don't take Winter Harvest.
maiden trail
Demeter is weird to me because she's one of the only gods whose boons that stack on her theme aren't a great take every time
like, I cannot imagine a situation where I would want to avoid picking up Jolted on Zeus unless there was something better on offer
tender stirrup
yeah, Zeus goes especially deep on self-synergies by comparison
maiden trail
zeus maybe bad example, but even like, there's no situation where I actively don't want Exposed from Athena, say
whereas for demeter arctic blast and killing freeze might as well be mutually exclusive
cunning urchin
Not really. They work very well in combination.
rancid shard
does vicious skewer and chain skewer hammers work well together? i'm worried they won't
might just take breaching skewer for consistency
solid cairn
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/392070250511728653/769313764590878740/unknown.png hard choice lol
cunning urchin
Breaching Cross.
rancid shard
chain skewer with vicious skewer ended up being a solid choice
turbid needle
Alrighty
Got Ares w/ all 3 epics
curse of agony
blade dash
urge to kill
with the shield
Trying to decide which to pick
cunning urchin
What else do you have?
If you don't have anything else, I'd get Curse of Agony, then aim for Divine Flourish + Divine Dash, and then pick up their Duo Boon.
Or try to pick the Duo Boon, anyway.
cunning urchin
Cool cool.
solid cairn
eris should be ezpz
cunning urchin
After 32 comes 40?
cunning urchin
32 with Coronacht is easy.
solid cairn
chiron?
cunning urchin
Any aspect, really.
solid cairn
thoughts on guan yu buffs btw
rancid shard
does zeus special damage increase with chaos boon?
turbid needle
First hammer in elysium, first time I have that happens to me, wasn't intentional and didn't even notice until I found it lul
willow fossil
rng works like that
turbid needle
Dio Dots and boons are fun
Bow +Dio build for first heat worked well. Got Hammer that boosts Special Damage
polar valley
Last night I ended up with the Exagryph shotgun build inflicting stacking doom and a ton of extra bullets from the aspect of Zag. That turned out a little broken.
Then after that I ended up with whatever weapon buff turns it into a full automatic and had + 40% attack speed from Hermes and more stacking doom. That was equally broken.
turbid needle
Oof
That's nasty
Wondering what to put on sword as far as ||aspects go||
Wondering if ||aspect of nemesis or poseidon||
||Only have the first tier ones||
meager smelt
does anyone know the specific "Quickly" threshold for the Lambent Plume?
willow fossil
well idk in numbers, but when youre using it, in the keepsake theres a clock ticking down
meager smelt
damb, time to experiment
willow fossil
is different per encounter
onyx parcel
They’re really still balancing the game after launch?
I thought it was either new contents or nothing lol
prime island
Holy cow how broken is hidden aspect spear lol. So dirty. Especially with quick charge. Got me a nice streak going. It's not even fair.
Never thought I'd be able to buy titan blood at styx and farm each room every single run
willow fossil
golden touch lets you do that
still vigil
which cast is the easiest to get damage from without extensive boon set up?
prime island
Prolly dio
turbid needle
I would say either dio or artemis
At least those are the ones that seem great
Artemis you just pop and it does its own thing
Dio you get a lot of spread and some Dots
prime island
If you target her boons demeter is pretty filthy. Cast inflicts chill, and the one that causes the discharge at 10 stacks of chill. Just pop 3 and let them work. Got me my first clear with that setup
turbid needle
my first clear was athen deflect
prime island
Her dash is godly but idk I don't like her cast
I went demeter attack, extended jab(spear) and full dem cast and just stayed out of harm's way and melted. Or froze if you will haah
So clutch being able to swap keepsakes. That's something I wish I paid more attention to at the start. Pick who you want to start then swap to something useful later on. Aka pick athena keepsake first and get that dash then do whatever.
turbid needle
is it just me or does charm seem kind of suck?
It doesn't seem long enough to do anything other than stop them from 1 attack
prime island
I personally love building around her boons. As long as you get athena dash pretty much everything is pretty good.
I got ice wine last night for the first time. That was dirttyyy
Total perks were enemies stunned, slowed and take more damage in trippy shot haze, as well as get chilled. It was funn
The only one I avoid is posidon honestly. Becuase I just use melee stuff mostly. Other than that they all kick ass
Until you get into 15+ heat I'm sure. But 13 and below so far everything seems pretty useable
I think my next build will be hidden spear and zeus. I think that spin shot could be pretty bonkers with chain lightning haha
still vigil
running fists into a room full of speedy miraged numbskulls is a 0/10 experience
prime island
I loved fists until I came across those poison rats. Then I decided ehhhhh maybe not for me lol
still vigil
it is a lil frustratin that there are quite a few things that give melee the finger but hopefully i can get better at the game
prime island
I don't like using mouse and keyboard so bow is pretty much out of the question for me. Which sucks, I loved bow in mh. But auto aim is booty on that in Hades. I can make it work with the rail but bow is painful. Seems like it would be super powerful too. Shame.
prime island
Quan Yu spear is my favorite as of now.
If you pick hearts you can get yourself to like 200hp even though you start at like 50
And you just hang back and get your health back for free. It's lit
Get yourself athena dash and a good attack boon and the rest happens on its own lol.
Especially if you get that quick charge
still vigil
i like fists too! just..not fond certain aspects having a hang time of sorts
leaving me very vulnerable before i can dash
prime island
I can't wait to try out the hidden aspect rail. Just gotta get some more blood. I can't bring myself to burn all my ambrosia for it though lol
mystic flume
good special for chiron bow?
worn crypt
Does increased attack speed improve bow charge speed?
Previous answer on this seem undecided
prime island
@mystic flume I'd say artemis is always good. Possible crits on auto tracking shots pretty noice. Or demeter to just blast stacks of chill
turbid needle
Any spear tips? I get to about just before the final area before I start really struggling. It is my weakest weapon
turbid needle
Any particular aspect or boons?
prime island
My go to for play to win is guan yu with quick charge and either extra range spin or pulse damage spin. Athena dash. Demeter or ares attack. Dio cast. Hermes bonus dashes.
Hasn't let me down yet
Extra range jab on guan Yu is also pretty nice for that stupid range and bonus damage to the already heavy attacks
still vigil
long knuckle or rush kick fer demeter aspect?
raw blade
with spear I really like dash attack
otherwise I feel like keeping the right amont of distance is key
turbid needle
@prime island Beat it first try after using your recommendations of Demeter
Thanks!
prime island
@turbid needle awesome! Congratulations, many more to come
heady mauve
hey quick question
how do the percentages from chaos boons stack
or like in general, as in is it a global thing or a case by case thing
like if i stack 3 +30% attack boons
do they just stack additively over the base damage
untold vortex
additive
heady mauve
thanks
charred grove
Can anyone give me tutorials on how to build the spear? I'm currently feeling like it is the most vanilla weapon and havent had much success with it outside of Zeus/Poseidon builds utilizing Tempest Strike and Sea Storms with Jolted/Rupture bonuses.
split basin
Can anyone give me tutorials on how to build the spear? I'm currently feeling like it is the most vanilla weapon and havent had much success with it outside of Zeus/Poseidon builds utilizing Tempest Strike and Sea Storms with Jolted/Rupture bonuses.
@charred grove i usually go with poseidon boon if I have to use spear, just to knock enemy away and keep your distance. I always use aspect of hades and it is the most fun to use.
Zeus poseidon is quite okay there 🙂
worn crypt
Aspect of Achilles is very fun for casting
tender stirrup
one thing I like about the spear is that it is versatile enough that I feel like I can build around any part of it and be successful
raw blade
I definitely agree
the dash-strike, attack and special are all so different
and also are at different ranges
having poseidon on the special is very convenient
just a line of destruction if you line stuff up right
I didnt like the spear at first but it's completely grown on me
prime island
@tender stirrup this
Oops, I didn't mean to nessisarily tag you so much as to reply to your quote. My b
winter osprey
hmm I still need to get better with the spear
the special seems a tad too slow, and it's only a single hit
surreal dune
I want to get Bad News Hermes legendary boon. But I can't find a good cast build with Styx soul
hollow wing
Dio?
drifting vale
Sadly no steam rollers here friend
hollow wing
sad ora noises
drifting vale
You can give bouldy some nectar thatll make you feel better
solid hazel
I'm like 90% sure after this run that dodge is in fact additive, not multiplicative
okay can't copy it in, but I had 99.6% dodge against hades
if you use additive
solid hazel
we noo I fought hades with it thouh
and I would have had 99.6% if additive and only 68% if multiplicative
half crater
you might have just dodged good tho
solid hazel
and I only got hit once, without tyring to dodge lasers or anything
like I stood in lasers and pots and all that and only got hit once
harsh pasture
Charged shot for the shield seems to count as a really weird projectile
solid hazel
probably because second call ran out
harsh pasture
Because it seems to ignore shields
solid hazel
em4 hades
half crater
yeah 68% is good enough that could have happened by luck, unless you went out of your way to deliberately get hit a lot
solid hazel
I mean anything could be caused by luck...
but I really doubt it
I'd estimate that I dodged about 50 attacks
spare scaffold
I just faced EM3 Theseus/Asterius for the first time
What the ****
half crater
ah, fair enough
prime island
50 attacks you would've been hit by in 1 encounter lol. Jeez
harsh pasture
Charged shot seems like the safest Daedalus upgrade though
leaden mural
do hammer/chaos upgrade increase doom damage from that ability as well?
harsh pasture
It’s like a shield but you have a built in bow
spare scaffold
I still won but I have to ask how frequent is EM3 Asterius spin attacks
harsh pasture
No
leaden mural
thanks
half crater
asterius spins are pretty rng based
sometimes he seems to do them all the time, but i’ve had runs where he hasn’t done any
spare scaffold
Outside of that I don't see difference versus normal Asterius much, which is fine because Theseus is a bigger problem now
solid hazel
I probably could use bayseian probability calculations to show what the probability is that it was 99.6 vs 68...but that's too much work for me haha
I'd have to look up the stupid equation and everything
and I haven't thought about that type of calculation in like a decade
prime island
I'd say astrius spins are proximity based in general
If you close spins coming. Though he will spear you, aswell
half crater
it’s not an uncommon feeling that EM3 is actually easier (one that i broadly share)
spare scaffold
That was also my first run running Rama
half crater
@prime island you’re thinking of Theseus spins; Asterius is the bull
spare scaffold
I ended up with Zeus/Ares focus with both their legendaries and their duo but maybe Ares special for Rama ends up killing my targets too fast before I can make use of Shared Suffering?
prime island
Sounds like a good problem lol
spare scaffold
Yeah I honestly don't think it should be a problem but I just wanna ask what build do people use for Rama
Thinking about Aphro or Dio special
half crater
dio special is good, since you can stack a lot of hangover on a lot of enemies quickly
zeus is okayish, but that ICD hurts
for aphro special, you wanna go arty attack -> heart rend for sure
spare scaffold
Funny as heck I ..never tried Heart Rend..
bleak iron
how do the chambers in the temple count for Demeters "boons will upgrade every 3" work?
spare scaffold
FWIW Side Hustle seemed to only count the first subchamber while ||Pom Blossom|| counts all subchambers toward the upgrade
It's weird
bleak iron
went for it and they do count
untold vortex
side hustle affects all minichambers in styx
bleak iron
p sure side hustle also does
untold vortex
the hermes and than keepsakes only work in the end chambers of each tunnel
solid hazel
Yeah it's a bit inconsistent, all Charon well items, pom blossom, rare crops and chaos penalties count small Styx encounters
Lambent plume and pierced butterfly do not... Probably cuz they'd be too good if they did
untold vortex
those two are the only exceptions for that reason
spare scaffold
Understandable
You also get new dialogue from dad if you had pom blossom on for Styx so that's neat 
willow fossil
yeah the only thing that doesnt work with styx encounters are plume and buttlerfly
for them is only the last chamber of each tunnel
the rest of the boons and keepsakes work perfectly
opal lodge
yall i am running stygian soul dio cast beowulf but have no idea what to do with attack and special
spare scaffold
Ignore special imo
opal lodge
i guess it doesnt really matter since im mostly cast charging but yeah
spare scaffold
Maybe a random boon there to fill up
Charging counts as an attack so it's worth getting attack boons I'd say
opal lodge
this wep is a lot faster than i gave it credit for
spare scaffold
Maybe say Aphro
opal lodge
yeah i was thinking aphro or maybe dem just to get the duo?
spare scaffold
I get maybe fastest or 2nd fastest time with the Beowulf if you can believe it
opal lodge
ive heard dem duo on beo isnt good tho
spare scaffold
Ice Wine innit
opal lodge
yeah i heard it has a longer cast time than base with beo
spare scaffold
Honestly I tried Dio cast on Beowulf and wasn't impressed when normally I can use all 3 casts and charge into mobs for big damage
I wouldn't know about it soz
opal lodge
this is working so far but its just cuz i got two extra cast stones from chaos
spare scaffold
Yeah that makes things easier
opal lodge
maybe i do artemis just to get fully loaded
hearty elbow
One does not simply "get" Fully Loaded lol
spare scaffold
I tend to get legendaries when I am not actually aiming for them
Looking at you Zeus
Of course, the inverse happens when I'm trying to get Black Out and Hermes' legendaries
still vigil
😭
hearty elbow
Pretty sure the Lambent Plume is a direct prereq to both of Hermes' Legendaries (depending on the bloodstone talent you have equpped)
untold vortex
it is a prereq
mossy light
yupyup
i hate unlocking the hermes legendary that requires changing perks
what does faster attack do on the bow?
solid hazel
today I got fully loaded without having a cast haha
the games knows what's useless to you and offers it
tranquil violet
Just had an nice Eris run with Smoldering Air and Billowing Strength
And a chaos boon on my Zeus attack.
And Demeter special.
solid hazel
lol what you mean is you had a smoldering Air run with Eris
tranquil violet
Damage buffs? Yes I'll take all of them.
solid hazel
cuz Smoldering Air just outdamages everything else
tranquil violet
+85% damage at nearly all times, feels good
Well I had the Artemis call
So that was pretty decent
But it honestly didn't
I was doing more damage with my zap bullets and triple bombs, though the calls did help
I also had the duo to keep Jolted working nonstop 
Zeus/Demeter/Aphrodite/Artemis works nicely
Could have been even better if I'd gotten the Demeter cast and Artemis duo with it
I find the meme crystals really hard to use without one of the duos (namely Artemis)
The Aphrodite duo is weird
Though I imagine it would be good if you were mostly damaging at close range and dashing a lot (fists, sword?)
hearty elbow
Smoldering Air with Artemis Call is like having filet mignon with gas station churros
mossy light
thank you patroclus for unscrewing my dumb run
tranquil violet
@hearty elbow I fail to see the problem
As long as they're not really old and chewy churros
Actually I have had filet mignon and churros in the same meal once at a rather fancy restaurant
Really good churros
With a rich chocolate sauce
hearty elbow
Artemis' Aid are basically floor churros lol.
tranquil violet
Artemis' Aid sucks on its own but if you have fun crit scaling effects it can be pretty decent
When you happen to mark Redacted by critting one of his goons
And then have a greater call ready
mossy light
im not the only person thats lazy and gets the weak duration boon on aphrodite am i?
cunning urchin
That's not lazy, that's just smart and loyal.
You gotta get all the boons from Lady Aphrodite.
That's the goal of the game. 
tranquil violet
You know, Gods can choose any form they wish
So it's entirely possible Aphrodite is tucking
(I hope so)
hearty elbow
Lesser Aphro's call on Smoldering Air is dope
hearty elbow
None, whatsoever
winter osprey
tranquil violet
But I generally don't find room clearing to be hard
So I tend to build for max burst on bosses
winter osprey
Or you could just call Dio bro and DoT Hades to death
hearty elbow
A lot of calls have durations. Aphro's does not (with regards to when you can start building charge again), so if you have a weapon with a decent attack rate, you can fire off her calls very quickly. It's fairly trivial to stun lock bosses, and CC'ing elite mobs on command for 8ish seconds is insane.
winter osprey
my crowd control philosophy is killing everything quickly
tranquil violet
^
hearty elbow
It's a different mentality to Athena's Aid, but you'd be insane to call that one bad.
tranquil violet
I don't think I have ever used Athena's Aid
But it would be quite nice with Smoldering Air
hearty elbow
I'm not calling it as good as Athena's Aid, but it accomplishes a lot of the same goals, but it's more proactive
Athena's Aid is quite nice with playing the game and finishing runs period
It's kind of broken lol
cunning urchin
Aphrodite's Aid is fun if you just charm all of the Elite Chariots in a chamber.
tranquil violet
I like how even the developers knew how terrible Flame Wheels are and put in an item that makes them not spawn
winter osprey
eeeh
hearty elbow
Yeah, lots of small utility, like making it easy to attack Greatshields, stopping Chariot rushes, CCing Dad summons forever, stopping any boss animation. Theseus and Minotaur will obliterate each other
tranquil violet
Now if only there were an item in Charon's Well that did that for Dracons 
winter osprey
well I like the annoying enemies
hearty elbow
They do like a fifth of each other's health if you time it right
winter osprey
they test our builds
tranquil violet
A first of... isn't that just all?
cunning urchin
Charmed Greatshields will also just murder everything with one spin.
tranquil violet
first whole
second half
third third
fourth fourth
...
This bothers me now that I've noticed it
Why are the N = 1,2 cases special
hearty elbow
It's PI Noon.
tranquil violet
"One second" actually means 50%
So when someone says you said you would be there an hour ago and you say "one second" it actually means you'll be another half hour
Which is how it really is
Also one of my favorite time related idioms:
hot minute (plural hot minutes)
- An extremely short period of time; moment.
- An unspecified period of time; while.
- A long period of time.
It means whatever you want it to mean.
iron shale
how does artemis dash affect stuff like doom zeus attack or hangover ?
hearty elbow
Not at all?
tranquil violet
Artemis dash only affects the base damage of dash attacks
Not any knock on effects they may have
Eris buff otoh affects all damage
Which is why it's so good
cunning urchin
Hunter Dash just affects base damage, so you get the same damage bonus as you get with any other Attack or with no Attack boon.
hearty elbow
Hunter Dash only affects base damage, so it doesn't work on effects like Hangover or Doom
lol
warm snow
hi everyone
tranquil violet
Free @warm snow
Return him to the wild
Then capture him again
Then return him to the wild again
warm snow
when I don't choose Divine Dash, I lose a lot of HP and perish
whenever I choose it, I win the game easily
I'm too dependent on Divine Dash
hearty elbow
Nope, that sounds about right
warm snow
anyone like me? I've played for ~200 hrs
hearty elbow
The more you play, the better Divine Dash gets
tranquil violet
Depends on weapon but yeah
hearty elbow
It's not a crutch, it's a tool
tranquil violet
I don't need Divine Dash with spear or bow
But I find it invaluable for sword or fists
I am but a <5 heat scrub still though
tranquil violet
I have not yet figured out how to play non-Arthur sword
Other than just spamming dash attacks
hearty elbow
You mean Nemesis 
tranquil violet
That seems to work okay
tranquil violet
The trick to winning is to just not lose
opal lodge
nemesis with greater reflex is just so fun
warm snow
1st, press special. While Zag is perfroming the special, you dash immediately
warm snow
so you press special while standing here but you will release the attack there
hearty elbow
Another trick: Stand still. Press attack. Press attack. Press attack. Vomit, then uninstall.
tranquil violet
Have you tried walking into the sea?
warm snow
here's another tip: use the gun's 4th aspect, get Divine Flourish as soon as you can
spamming hellfire balls
hearty elbow
Pachinko: Underworld
tranquil violet
Imagine if you could somehow get deflect on the meme beams.
hearty elbow
But you can. It makes your gun deflect lmao
warm snow
you may not need this tip in Tartarus and Asphodel but you'll see the immense power from Elysium and beyond
hearty elbow
Oh, sorry, wasn't sure which beam you were meming
warm snow
I rarely use the beam, I almost always use the hellfire balls
hearty elbow
Lucky for you they buffed the crap out of them in test branch lol
bold salmon
Man idk what it is but ive never hated a weapon more than i hate the fist
Idk wtf is wrong with them or me but we just dont work.
stark ore
Merciful End builds are busted with it, but Divine Strike alone also makes them easier
You'll wanna dash-strike right after ending the attack combo to keep it going, also good for backstab bonuses since you'll want to dash into the enemy
iron shale
does chaos boon scale hangover attack ?
or rather
what outside eris
scales hangover usw ?
iron shale
ok so actually only stuff that buffs general dmg
half crater
yeah pretty much
iron shale
nothing that scales attk or special or whatever directly
bold salmon
OK so is the fist special not good then? Wondering if thats my issue is that im overusing it.
stark ore
On its own it's ok, but Demeter aspect makes it incredibly solid
Haven't tried Talos in a while, but while it is worse, it's still decent with the right playstyle
iron shale
on its own its basically a debuff applier
like for aphrodite
speaking on zag fists
talos is weird
bold salmon
Just noticed i get hit a lot when i use it.
iron shale
yeah
talos fists are weird
if you just spam special
especial without poseidon special
you egt hit alot
*get
you probably wanna use it more for activatign that magnetic cutter buff
and then cast or atk
bold salmon
What i typically do but still get hit a bunch 😅
bold salmon
Sadly i maxed them when the fist first came out xP
bold salmon
Oh...that might help a lot
you can animation cancel into dash if you do it quick enough
limpid prawn
Did fists get nerfed or something
New to the meta but I notice something feels off about them
bold salmon
I never had good luck with them on release (of fist not game) or now so cant tell you 😅
limpid prawn
OH yeah that might be it
mossy light
less mindpower used to mash and think
stark ore
Talos got a buff in the test branch, not sure about the other aspects though
limpid prawn
I used to play Talos but I unlocked ||Gilgamesh||
Not as good as I thought it would be
mossy light
4th aspects
opal lodge
for fists you want to be using dash strikes to interrupt your attack combo so you dont have those awkward pauses
that way you can keep nonarmored targets stunlocked
limpid prawn
what’s a good build for that lilmac
opal lodge
merciful end is the go to for fists
ares attack, athena special, then athena dash and merciful end
opal lodge
if all else fails try to also get artemis in your pool
that way you can at least get deadly reversal if you dont luck out and get merciful end
and if you get both its just a nice bonus
limpid prawn
This build is big on dash strikes right
Or wait nah you said that’s fist in general
opal lodge
yep
limpid prawn
Just got a Hammer - Breaching Cross
opal lodge
breaching cross is one of the best hammers because it can strip armor so easily
helps a lot in elysium
stark ore
Running Chiron rn, should I replace my epic Deadly Flourish with a heroic Drunken Flourish or just take Dio's call?
opal lodge
whats on attack
opal lodge
who's in your pool
stark ore
So far it's just Artemis and Dio
shadow ridge
How should I play the beowulf shield? Every time I've played it, it feels slow, clunky, and boring to play
stark ore
Gonna get Athena for the dash in Asphodel though
shadow ridge
Does little damage outside of the cast burst
stark ore
I'll just take the call then
cunning urchin
Yeah, I'd swap for Drunken Flourish.
opal lodge
not gonna claim to be a beo expert but a lot of it is cast cycling and making sure you always have at least one cast stone when you need burst
stark ore
Yeah, I'd swap for Drunken Flourish.
but muh crits
cunning urchin
Heartbreak Strike + Drunken Flourish does more sustained damage.
And you can pick Attack hammers because your Special will cap your stacks anyway, even with Low Tolerance.
stark ore
Eh it's too late already, plus I'm only on 12 heat so it's not like the stakes are too high or anything
opal lodge
nyaanyaa do you like low tolerance chiron more than heart rend chiron in 1.0?
cunning urchin
Yeah, I do.
stark ore
Low Tolerance is +60% more hangover damage at max stacks while Heart Rend is +50% crit damage
Still taking Artemis for Hunter Instinct and other crit boons
cunning urchin
Heart Rend is +150% crit damage, actually.
stark ore
o
wide plover
i.e. the crits deal 450% normal dmg instead of 300%
stark ore
Guess I'm taking Heart Rend then, with Deadly Reversal it should be really good
cunning urchin
Yeah, they clarified Heart Rend in the test branch already to show +150% instead of +50% like it does in the live version now.
stark ore
Wait actually I think I saw Aphro in my pool, I just didn't take her 
opal lodge
how do you plan to get both HR and deadly reversal
stark ore
Fated Persuasion, God's Legacy, and praying to RNGesus
opal lodge
no i mean
if you have aphro attack artemis special you cant get deadly reversal
since you need one of athena attack/special
stark ore
Wait really? In that case I'll just go for Heart Rend then
I swear I've been able to get DR with just Divine Dash before
Maybe I'm not remembering things right though
cunning urchin
That only worked before 1.0.
But Phalanx Shot works as a requirement in the current test branch. Doesn't mean it will be final, though, but it works for now.
opal lodge
thats kind of huge if it makes it to live tbh
mystic flume
whats a good default shield build?
stark ore
I should really run Phalanx Shot more, usually I do either Zeus, Poseidon, or Ares for casts but Athena never crossed my mind
cunning urchin
Phalanx Shot not working kinda hurt Phalanx Shot cast builds.
opal lodge
i usually just take artemis cast to avoid off target duos but might take phalanx shot just to get those duos
cunning urchin
There's a guide for base weapon builds pinned in #h1-for-new-players.
Should be a good starting point, I hope.
opal lodge
i liked it when i still used zag aspects :^)
i honestly have not touched a zag aspect for any weapon in a hot minute
anyone know a build that could actually make use of early exclusive access
want to try one that needs a hermes epic boon
also does sweet nectar impact eurydice?
stark ore
It says any poms of power, so unless Persephone's keepsake also counts I don't think so
cunning urchin
I actually forgot if it affects Pom Porridge lol.
stark ore
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/747853039448359156/769460933575442432/ArtemisBoosted.mp4 Also yeah no I don't regret keeping Deadly Flourish
opal lodge
dang i shoulda tried it
i only had heartbreak flourish and flood shot so i just did the ambrosia thing
cunning urchin
You used your Call just as she phased and became invincible. That's a high-heat strategy.
Well done. 
stark ore
Sometimes my brain hurts from how big it is
opal lodge
lol
cunning urchin
I guess you could go Trippy Shot + Tidal Dash? And then also get something from Lady Demeter and/or Lord Zeus.
willow fossil
man why tf does the butterfly on em4 gets to go invisible
but the buttherflies stay on the map
cunning urchin
For Tidal Dash + Sea Storm and Ice Wine + Scintillating Feast.
tranquil violet
Sometimes I think that the developers had an internal contest where they tried to each make the most obnoxious but not unbeatable enemies, to fill Elysium
They ended up with the butterfly balls, flame wheels, and shieldbois
willow fossil
i dont mind them in elysium as their own, but in em4
jesus
i wouldnt mind if they just blinked like the buttlerfly ball, but why straight up go invisible
tranquil violet
Just play blindfolded for a few weeks
So you don't need to see the enemies anymore to kill them
So this is the power of ultra instinct...
willow fossil
lmfao
tranquil violet
Has anyone tried to do a blindfolded run yet?
I'm not sure the game's spatial audio is quite amenable to that.
And lava is silent but deadly
Well silent until you step on it anyhow
@cunning urchin you should attempt a blindfolded run .
opal lodge
the most annoying enemies in elysium by far are the strongbows
stark ore
Best aspects would either be Chiron or Zeus
opal lodge
fml i hate strongbows
tranquil violet
They're not so bad once you learn to just ignore them and watch the indicator
And don't get too close
And don't forget they don't just shoot once 
cunning urchin
Best aspects for what?
tranquil violet
Beating Hades while blindfolded
You're probably the only one of us here who could do it though
Or among the very few
Major problem: how would you even pick boons 🤔
cunning urchin
@weak moat and @covert grove have done blindfolded runs. They're up on their channels.
iron shale
@tranquil violet just take the one pact that only leaves you with 1 choice
limpid prawn
Just got Deadly Reversal
iron shale
= D
limpid prawn
Going for Merciful End now
tranquil violet
Wait Haelian had an assist from his wife
stark ore
Don't think you get Merciful End now since you need Ares atttack/special and Athena attack/special
Might be wrong though
tranquil violet
Wriste also has an assist
But they're both to help them pick boons and items so that makes sense
opal lodge
nah you can get merciful end if you already have DR
something like
ares attack athena special artemis cast athena dash
is a pretty good setup to get both
stark ore
Oof ok. Twin Shot, Sniper Shot, or Chain Shot?
Leaning towards Sniper tbh
Got Heartbreak Strike already btw
cunning urchin
You could also just sell whatever you don't need to make room if you already have Deadly Reversal. It's not gonna go anywhere if you sell the crit boon that's required.
Twin Shot.
stark ore
Oh yeah isn't that like 4x normal with Heartbreak Strike lmao
cunning urchin
Twin Shot just doubles your base damage.
stark ore
Not sure how it works with Chiron though
cunning urchin
And it's two hits now, so you can better damage through armor.
cunning urchin
That's Triple Shot that does that.
cunning urchin
It's a fun weapon.
Or at least now in 1.0 it is.
Before 1.0, you would've just said man I really need to use bow less.
cunning urchin
She's my role model. 💗
limpid prawn
Oh my god
It took me until Styx but I finally got Merciful End
This build is gonna be fun lol
stark ore
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/723559673004949564/769466486167175168/HeartRendOP.mp4 Looks like I'm maining Chiron now
limpid prawn
BROKEN
stable egret
U can get some crazy speeds with chiron
ancient furnace
Starting on Hell Mode what kind of Darkness total should I be looking at before a first successful clear
cunning urchin
I dunno, do it first run. Who needs Darkness.
Just learn at your pace tbh.
Greater Reflex is 50, and then at least 1 DD for 30, and if you want some healing each chamber, that's 40 to max out Chthonic Vitality.
Those are probably the most important.
stark ore
If it helps, you'll likely beat EM4 before you max out the mirror, and that's just for the upgrades you want
I've beat 32 heat and I still haven't fully maxed out the mirror
Dark Regen also helps if you're retrying a heat level since it's basically a free heal every boss
cunning urchin
I had a WR with Malphon before I had 4 Persuasion rerolls from the mirror lol.
limpid prawn
Actually this build isn’t broken - it’s pretty nice tho - I can see the appeal of the fists now
cunning urchin
You need to unlock the other side of the mirror for Dark Regeneration, though. That comes a bit later.
Greater Reflex is 50, and then at least 1 DD for 30, and if you want some healing each chamber, that's 40 to max out Chthonic Vitality.
After that, I'd just max out Death Defiance for more DDs.
stark ore
Gods damn it. Do I go for a heroic Crush Shot (replacing Flood Shot), Different League (rare), or Broken Resolve (epic)?
This game's just torturing me with heroic boons man
stark ore
There's a Dio in Styx's shop so I can maybe sell Crush Shot then get Trippy Shot
cunning urchin
Your cast doesn't really matter on Chiron.
opal lodge
i think ive seen <10 heroic boons and i just finished my 300th run
stark ore
Guess I'm selling heroic Crush Shot
opal lodge
pain
stark ore
oh wait there's a poseidon chamber LMAO
cunning urchin
Get Broken Resolve. That can unlock her Legendary.
Or not if it's too late now lol.
cunning urchin
Sweet Surrender, Empty Inside, Broken Resolve. Need any of those.
mellow quest
i mean it was always going to be busted because it's Eris
but doing over 500 dps off hangover alone when everything was set was pretty silly
stark ore
Actually I might keep Crush Shot. Forgot I had an epic Quick Reload so it's tons of casts
Damn Heart Rend really is busted, Crush Shot crits are dealing 701 damage
stark ore
What cast are you using? Never really been able to use Beowulf tbh
opal lodge
dio
its funny
just
cast charge x1000
i also got snow burst somehow
its one of those aspects where im liking it the more i use it
stark ore
Might use it more then, personally it always felt clunky but I use Zeus shield so I prob don't have the best idea what's good and what's not
opal lodge
it just takes a little bit more getting used to imo
beowulf i used to just get stunned in the middle of my casting and such
still do
cunning urchin
How do you get stunned while blocking lol.
spice vine
Is rama good?
untold iris
ye
opal lodge
id say so
cunning urchin
Rama is very good.
untold iris
at least, there are some good players clearing really high heat with rama
opal lodge
its the only wep thats cleared 55 heat so
spice vine
Wait only one?
untold iris
so it must be at least pretty good
opal lodge
unless theres a new 55 heat vod i needa watch
spice vine
wew']
stark ore
Rama makes you feel like you're good at the game, the way the special moves is just 
Also really good with Divine, Heartbreak, or Tempest Strike
stark ore
Tempest Strike and Chain Shot is amazing imo, also good with Doom
spice vine
tempest strike?
stark ore
From Poseidon, gives your attacks knockback basically
Only weapons I think it's ok on are Rama and Gilgamesh
spice vine
there's a weapon based on gilgamesh?
stark ore
||Yes||
Gives you four dashes and makes them automatic too so Tempest Strike and Hunter Dash might be a good combo
If it wasn't 1:25 AM then I'd test it out
iron shale
yes
stark ore
Yep
spice vine
Oh I seer
opal lodge
dashy time
iron shale
gz
spice vine
did not know that was possible
iron shale
you got a boon for it
spice vine
boon?
iron shale
yes
spice vine
dont think I did
surreal creek
whats a good build for new players? just beat hades first time with hera bow but got carried by stubborn roots duo boon. now i want a good semi reliable byuild for any weapon really that i can use as i begin messing with the heat. so just a build for a weapon.æ doesnt really matter which
opal lodge
good build for hera bow is just flood shot --> mirage shot
opal lodge
if you want to keep using hera bow
spice vine
Chiron bow is cool
surreal creek
dont want new aspects. i need blood thats y i want a build. so either aspect of zag or hera bow
surreal creek
ig a build for hera bow, shield, fists or spear
opal lodge
hera bow go dio, athena or poseidon cast and their respective duos
for fists you could always just do merciful end
surreal creek
wdym respective duo? they have multiple duos
spice vine
Think they mean Dio/Athena or Dio/Posedions respctive duos
opal lodge
nah for dio go for zeus/demeter duo with dio
for athena go for parting shot
for poseidon go for mirage shot
surreal creek
what about poseidon/demeter duo stubborn roots. that carried my first hades figh
but ur saying for keepsakes. i like starting with the wxtra 150 gold so ig ill do that again. then swap to either dio, athena or poseidon depending what io got and then to something like acorn or lucky tooth for defense after that?
iron shale
usually
you make builds aroudn offensive duos
not defensive ones
thats why you wont really see " stubborn root builds "
iron shale
well
if you wanna force a specific combo
you wanna start with the respective god boons early
in the case of hera
you should start with what cast you want
ancient furnace
I had lifesteal and heroic Athena call today and theseus still edged me out ugh
surreal creek
ok. which cast u recommend? i like artemises and poseidons but i havnt really tried that many of them
untold iris
once you kill asterius, theseus is pretty straightfoward
he always turns around after he throws his spear, which opens him up to attacks
so you can wait behind a pillar for his spear throw, then dash through the pillar towards him and get a few hits in, then go hide again
willow fossil
really about to believe lasers going thru pillars is an em4 intended feature
it only happens on em4
iron shale
lil already gave you a list
i would add slicing shot ( ares) with artemis duo boon to the list
opal lodge
artemis cast is a little bit lackluster IMO just because its not stellar on its own and doesnt have any complementary duos
surreal creek
so get ares keepsake for his cast, then artemis after and hope for duo boon?
surreal creek
yeah
opal lodge
he said he likes artemis up above
iron shale
and yeah
opal lodge
so i was just saying
untold iris
if you're playing a cast weapon you should probably just force the cast you want at the beginning
opal lodge
yep
untold iris
there are plenty of viable ones, just depends on which one you're interested in
though you should probably take one of the casts that has a duo boon
since those duo boons can be very good
cunning urchin
@opal lodge just get Mirage Shot or Deadly Reversal, and get more crit boons.
True Shot is really good.
opal lodge
bet
id just rather get flood shot + wave pounding if im gonna go that route idk
i'll def try it though
got nothing but time
spare flare
Ugh. Low Tolerance, Scintillating Feast, and Bad Influence all at once.
tranquil violet
Maybe silly question but
Is there any useful way to affect what Rare Crop affects?
spare flare
I am running Dionysus's Aid Lv3 (Epic) with Smoldering Air.
tranquil violet
I doubt it strongly but would be nice
spare flare
If you're asking if there's a way to choose which boons it selects, no. It says "randomly," and that's what it means.
opal lodge
i like getting rare crop early
spare flare
It'll only select valid boons, of course, never legendaries or duos.
tranquil violet
It seems to tend to prefer the main boons rather than rando buff ones though
opal lodge
unless i have UC
opal lodge
but yeah ideally rare crop is like boon 2 or boon 3 or smth
most reliable way to control which boon it selects is to only have one boon :^)
spare flare
Eh, maybe. Might be confirmation bias. Might be that the main boons are weighted to appear when you have blank slots for them, so you pretty much always have 3 or 4 of them to choose when you get Rare Crop, but only 1-3 side buffs.
tranquil violet
Yeah that'd make sense
Sometimes it feels like pom slices from nectar rooms are also biased but idk
I just tried to do a run using Stygian Soul which I never use and ended up with Demeter cast
I died in Asphodel (embarrassing) but huh
With the time extension boon from Demeter Stygian seems like a better fit than Infernal
More lazers
And I don't have to recover the shards
I need to play with Stygian soul more
What are some good casts to use with Stygian?
opal lodge
dio
the nice thing about stygian is any one cast stone increases your potential damage exponentially
going for fully loaded/chaos gates is never a bad idea on stygian
something like hunting blades could work
i like athena cast on it too
demeter cast is good with stygian crystal clarity and glacial glare
tranquil violet
Bah
spare flare
Stygian Soul in general seems like the better option, assuming that you're not using Hera or Beowulf.
tranquil violet
I went for Dio cast and my first options are strike, flourish and dash
opal lodge
idk stygian dio works with beo
tranquil violet
Oh well I'm running Zag sword with double edge (last hammer I didn't have)
So I guess drunken strike or dash
robust anchor
the worst timeline
spare flare
So I take Low Tolerance, it offers me Scintillating Feast again, and I skip it for Premium Vintage because I hate grinding and am willing to gimp myself a bit to avoid it.
opal lodge
why not just take and sell
spare flare
Yeah, Stygian works with Beo, too, but if you want burst, you go Abyssal.
Pff, what? Favor is broken. Get Favor.
Not even a contest unless wielding Coronacht.
tranquil violet
It's +46% foes for +14% rare but yeah
More foes = more money
So it's not all bad
opal lodge
maybe ive just gotten lucky but ive never ended up with fewer than 2 cast stones coming out of tartarus on stygian
tranquil violet
Oh ffs
Second dio boon
Still no cast
Strike flourish or vintage
Ugggh
THIRD BIO BOON
STILL NO CAST
opal lodge
you dont run fated persuasion?
tranquil violet
Don't have the darkness for it yet
opal lodge
ah i c
tranquil violet
Well I have attack and dash and dash attack boost from hammer
Now flourish, numbing or strong drink
I guess I'll just keep adding more dio...
Numbing at least takes me closer to the legendary I guess
So do god boons only work once?
Or do they still work again if you don't unequip them between areas?
analog sail
You can't unequip boons, you can only sell them
Once you get them they're always there, unless you actively get rid of them
spare flare
You mean the keepsakes? Once.
tranquil violet
Well I've got Chaos favor, Eurydice's boon booster, and Exclusive Access
But still no Dio cast
mellow quest
how does Curse of Drowning work with Beowulf
tranquil violet
This is what happens when I try to get one boon in particular
If I don't get Heroic dio cast
...and nothing good from Chaos again except his legendary which I guess why not
Onwards to Elysium with no cast on a cast build
Got it finally, Epic, and also got Pat to replenish my wasted defiances so that's nice
spare flare
You can't get a heroic boon without trading, Eurydice's ambrosia meal, or Rare Crop.
tranquil violet
Well I'm at Hades now and have a decent kit
Dio attack and cast both at 7+
Boosts from chaos and hammers to dash attack
Legendary dio
And a bunch of Hermes buffs so I go muy rápidamente
Enemies in festive fog melt which is nice
But I didn't get any permanent extra casts
I did briefly have +2 from charon's well which was nice
Not bad considering how much I hate using the sword
rancid socket
https://prnt.sc/v5wd7f truely sad
of course im taking hammer but damn missed out on a double boon event
boreal ermine
Take the double, hammer will almost certainly show up later
They game always tries to give you two
tranquil violet
Holy charp
I came to ask exactly this question
Eerie
Wasn't sure if the game will still give you two if you pass one up
boreal ermine
Yeah even if it's a door at Styx, the game wants you to have two
tranquil violet
I just do not get Cold Embrace
I find it really awkward to use
I'm choosing between Cold Embrace and (Epic) Ravenous Will now
And I'm in the third room of Tartarus
surreal creek
what is the most reliable build? i think dio hera bow seems very good and reliable and then go for zeus duo but are there any other reliable builds?
tranquil violet
Even if there were reliable builds (there are) you won't get them reliably
But honestly there are a lot and unless you're a freak of nature playing 69 heat like some folks it mostly depends on play style
surreal creek
yeah ok. atm i play hera bow untill i can get beowolf shield, so what build? just simple. atm im trying to get ddio cast with zeus duo but might swich it up
tranquil violet
I would suggest not sticking to any one weapon
Or getting stuck on trying to force any particular build before you've really tried everything
Also you can't get Beowulf until you have Guan Yu if you don't yet.
For Hera just take a high damage cast and then work around that.
Aphrodite cast is always good
surreal creek
yeah ok
tranquil violet
But seriously you can't reliably get any build you want