h1-builds-and-combat

[grim dune]

tbh everything is good with chiron, it's just such a fun weapon

[dense crest]

Last Stand or Calc Risk? I have full death defiance but low health atm

I guess Calc Risk?

took the risk lolol

wow easiest Elysium boss win yet

fight lasted like 60 seconds lol

calc risk cripples Theseus

[primal hazel]

Does double strike also trigger off of aid?

[hearty elbow]

Last Stand or Calc Risk? I have full death defiance but low health atm
@dense crest Then Last Stand won't even do anything. Calculated Risk is fine.

At worst you can sell it.

Does double strike also trigger off of aid?
@primal hazel Yes

[solid portal]

Does anyone here know what the arrow is in the codex next to the hearts for some characters?

[primal hazel]

Poggers

Thanks for the answer

[hearty elbow]

Means you can shmooze them.

[primal hazel]

Time for some bonkey bonk

[dense crest]

@hearty elbow yeah calc risk crippled Theseus, it was glorious 😁

[still vigil]

Poseidon's Aid or Hydraulic might for gilga? Both epic

I've never really used either outside of picking them for prophecy

[tranquil violet]

Hydraulic Might can be really good with some builds (esp with Lambent Plume)

Poseidon's Aid is just an all around decent call imo. Not as much damage as Aphrodite or Artemis but the invulnerability is handy.

It's useful in those god forsaken final rooms in Styx filled with laserbois and dartbois

It is however broken in that Don't Stop Me Now by Queen doesn't automatically play whenever you use it.

[steady cipher]

Don't stop me now DLC

[still vigil]

This may sound weird but is Zeus okay on fists? I've never seen it naturally on fists which is why I ask

[steady cipher]

I actually don't know. What aspect are you using?

[still vigil]

Gilgamesh

[hearty elbow]

It's probably fine if you use Dash Strike primarily. Otherwise normal fists would be able to apply lightning a lot more consistently

[steady cipher]

Zeus with gilgamesh sounds a lot more eh than with normal fists

[still vigil]

Okay ty!

[tawdry sleet]

Long Knuckle or Rolling Knuckle on Demeter fists?

[surreal dune]

That's my problem with Demeter fist.

It's supposed to buff special for big payoff but you still need attack hammer boons.

I mean that it still works best with attack hammer boons.

Enemies usually die before you get to special. And if you find a new target to special. It's oftentimes unsafe.

[cosmic jacinth]

i wanna do a dash zeus build tips?

[surreal dune]

Because I find the animation rather long and you can get hit while you make the move.

[opal lodge]

with fists you want to use dash strike to continue your attack combo and stun lock

[cosmic jacinth]

oooh maybe the Poseidon dash with Zeus duo with legendary is that good?

i mean like no button press

like only space bar

[surreal dune]

What weapon are you using

[cosmic jacinth]

idk

any since im not gonna touch my mouse

[surreal dune]

Yeah I used Demeter fist a couple of times and I just end up ignoring the special.

Attack and dash is easy and let me focus on dodging incoming hits.

[cosmic jacinth]

btw im not gonna touch my special cast or attack button

or dash attack XD

[still vigil]

So are you just dashing?

[cosmic jacinth]

yes

for memes

i killed lernie once with zeus dash

[still vigil]

Kinky

[cosmic jacinth]

yes memes

[unkempt pagoda]

splash dash builds are genuinely great

[cosmic jacinth]

does zeus duo and legendary work together?

if they do does the duo work with double strike

[unkempt pagoda]

i would assume so

[cosmic jacinth]

onyx will this be hell for a tiny bit?

[unkempt pagoda]

wdym the whole thing is hell

[opal lodge]

yes it does

speedrun strat is to get duo and legendary for eris

[cosmic jacinth]

also use sword hidden right

also i cant use eris

[solid cairn]

wow I love when I play 32 heat and have ares attack and athena dash and special but I am not offered a single ares or athena boon for all of elysium so I die to heroes

[cosmic jacinth]

since it violates the rules

only press dash and move keys

HAH

I GOT MEMES

i started with the flipping dae hammer

welp i can go as long as i can live till i get dash

[solid cairn]

I am so done

[nimble wave]

If I'm playing Hera Aspect, should I still try to get power shots?

[opal lodge]

not necessary

just want to get your cast out

[nimble wave]

Thanks!

[still vigil]

I tried epic Arty dash and it didn't feel like it did much

Is there some niche way it's used that's worthwhile?

[tawdry sleet]

Now that I've got Merciful End and Athena dash, should I swap my Athena special on demeter into Aphrodite?

Got offered heroic +220%

[solid cairn]

Doesn’t matter you aren’t gonna use spec anymore

[tawdry sleet]

Am I playing right in the sense that I'm just holding attack and periodically dashing ad infinitum

there's no special timing / combo specific thing to do that is more "efficient"

I have the hammer upgrade for dash strike combo

[cosmic jacinth]

yay

i got meg dead

[lost merlin]

What's typically the best cast for chiron?

[cosmic jacinth]

with dashes

only

when i had zeuses epic call

and my call has

20% when i enter

rooms

im upset

since i cant use it

i took 150+ damage tho

also no death defies used

[opal lodge]

thats like asking about best cast for fists

[solid cairn]

talos

[opal lodge]

could be any of 8 but it doesnt matter since you wont use it

[tawdry sleet]

Damn my fastest run yet and I even cleared every room in Styx

would've been my first sub-20 minutes

[cunning ibex]

If I come across a common boon that I want, should I just take it or hold out for better

[opal lodge]

just take it

if you want it

[tawdry sleet]

Is Eris considered the "best" aspect for the rail gun?

I've never really used the weapon but want to give it a go

[opal lodge]

yall

yes

eris is in the running for best aspect in the game

but also

my timers been paused at 5 minutes for the past 15 minutes

new unseeded WR???

do i just report this with f10

[rare kayak]

pog

[tawdry sleet]

I'm guessing the weapon could really do with the hammer that gives no reload

[rare kayak]

wr glitch holder

the thing about eris is that its universal

[opal lodge]

@tawdry sleet good hammers for eris (imo) are delta chamber, targeting system, rocket, cluster

[rare kayak]

so even something like zeus lightning gets the damage bonus

[tawdry sleet]

Is there a knack to the reload, like a Gears esque active reload?

[rare kayak]

nope

just reload

[tawdry sleet]

or is it just you need to always be aware there's a short stop

[rare kayak]

you can fire your special during your reload

[tawdry sleet]

Ah nice okay I can see how that flows

[cosmic jacinth]

sooooooooooooooooooooooooo

zeus poseidon duo

[tawdry sleet]

Build wise... thinking Artemis attack? maybe with Aphrodite special and hopeful duo? Any other good builds?

[rare kayak]

zeus

attack

[cosmic jacinth]

when im doing a dash build for poseidon or poseidons legend

[rare kayak]

sea storm if dash build imo

[tawdry sleet]

Maybe with Dion special too then Meg?

[cosmic jacinth]

okay

[rare kayak]

better for bosses

[cosmic jacinth]

you know

im only pressing space bare

[rare kayak]

idk about dionysus special honestly

[cosmic jacinth]

bar XD

[rare kayak]

i would go aphrodite special

[tawdry sleet]

Gets the Scintillating Feast duo potential

[rare kayak]

and grab smoldering air on the way

[tawdry sleet]

@tawdry sleet good hammers for eris (imo) are delta chamber, targeting system, rocket, cluster
@opal lodge well I've got delta and targeting so far, going well

[opal lodge]

@opal lodge well I've got delta and targeting so far, going well :pogchamp:
@tawdry sleet pog
triple bomb is also pretty dece you just want to avoid hazard bomb for obvious reasons

[cosmic jacinth]

bois

i won

[dry ember]

neato

[unkempt pagoda]

nice

[cosmic jacinth]

i got double knock back with dash for poseidon

with sea storm

with zeus legendary

all in a row

im at shop before lernie btw

but i think i have won

[hearty elbow]

Whenever I get runs like that I usually die to White Lernies and hubris

[cosmic jacinth]

ah

but my damage is op

right

[hearty elbow]

Just don't die, ezpz :3

[unkempt pagoda]

smasher lernie is a manifestation of hubris

[cosmic jacinth]

the rubble falling one?

i just got him

and killed using 1 death

only used dash

[willow fossil]

why is maxed demeter fist so NUTTY

[tawdry sleet]

18 minute run with my first proper Rail attempt

My best time yet, thanks for the tips @rare kayak

[dry ember]

why is maxed demeter fist so NUTTY
Because grandma knows best.

[unkempt pagoda]

running around with granny's mittens and you realize how she managed to punch her dad out of history

[willow fossil]

i still cant picture demeter just punching titans

https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/b/grandmother-boxing-gloves-6493895.jpg

[grim dune]

is there a list somewhere of what boons can get poms?

trying to be more careful about what I pick up

[willow fossil]

usually the ones with scaling

like actual dmg numbers

[tawdry sleet]

I think for half of that run I wasn't utilising the Eris buff

I thought it was after using special

not being in it when it lands

[willow fossil]

[robust anchor]

demeter my aggressive gramma that punches bullies for me

[steady cipher]

Demeter just looks like an old lady cuz she wants to

[robust anchor]

:)

[grim dune]

yeah there's a comment in some of the dialogue that they choose how they appear

[steady cipher]

It was an aphro demeter duo boon I think

Aphro commented on how she "Chooses to make her face look wrinkled and old"

[grim dune]

Yeah and I think there's one where someone snarks on how Aphro chooses to show herself too

[still vigil]

I'm a lil angry at how much better demeter feels even though I questionably like gilga

[untold iris]

ahhhh I hate infernal soul so much

[north panther]

Alright I do not like artimis on even Nemesis aspect, what'm I doing wrong?

[untold iris]

I keep trying it but my cast stones always get stuck in random places

artemis needs a secondary source of scaling to be better than aphrodite I think

so something like a different boon that gives more crit damage

or a chaos boon that gives +damage

[lethal chasm]

yea 2 forms of crit is kidna redundant

vs bigger base

[north panther]

I find her base damage AND crit chance are both very low, even with like, every chaos boon and pressure points/hunter mark/crit kill

[untold iris]

since crit scales multiplicatively it makes other stuff better

[north panther]

I can't find what weapon works with her

[untold iris]

nah if you get other scaling + crit then the damage gets pretty crazy

[lethal chasm]

eris rail special

chiron special

maybe not nerf idk

[untold iris]

but just crit by itself isn't that special

[north panther]

Wouldn't better base still be better?

[untold iris]

damage scales additively

[lethal chasm]

do da math lol art and aphro are similar outcomes tho

pretty much all the time

[untold iris]

except crit which is multiplicative

[lethal chasm]

ime

[untold iris]

so if you already have additive scaling then your multiplicative scaling becomes stronger

[lethal chasm]

art has more room for error tho

[untold iris]

but additive scaling always has the same power no matter how much more scaling you have

imagine this
you do 10 damage, and most boons give you +10 damage

so with two boons you have 10 + 10 + 10 damage

another boon still gives you the same +10 damage

but crit is multiplicative, so imagine it like x1.5

[north panther]

Well no I know that much but like

[untold iris]

with a crit boon, if you just have your base 10 damage it gives 5 damage

[north panther]

Does that mean picking art attack/special boons are a bad idea?

[untold iris]

but with more additive damage sources the crit gets better

[lethal chasm]

artemis can feel weak on some things bc the base isnt high enough

no

well

def on some weapons/things

[untold iris]

not really, you just need to be able to supplement that damage somehow

with another talent

[lethal chasm]

but for like arthur, rail special, bow anything

[untold iris]

note that artemis is actually worse on nemesis/zag bow than usual

since those already have crit built in

[lethal chasm]

o besides zag

yea no need for 2 sources of crit. even the 5% from pressure points can knock you through the roof on dmg sometimes

[untold iris]

basically if you take artemis you want more ways to boost your flat damage

chaos boons are particularly nice

but other stuff can help as well

[lethal chasm]

divine blossom start helps

but yea

gotta be seeded for dat

_>

[untold iris]

for what its worth I play a lot of bow and I think that the strongest build in general to go for is aphrodite attack, artemis special, athena dash

[lethal chasm]

eris rocket spread artemis special is top 3 most busted builds ive had fashoo

[marsh idol]

My first clear of the final boss on extreme measures was just Excalibur attack with artemis and divine dash

[lethal chasm]

artemis special on chiron got me my record

[marsh idol]

With slightly over 500 health of course

[lethal chasm]

ONLY run ive done w chiron ever

[marsh idol]

I never warmed up to Chiron tbh

More of a Hera enjoyer

[lethal chasm]

yea im trying to do EM4 but i keep messing up

so was i

but then i tried it

and got that record time first try

never used it again tho

lolo

[untold iris]

chiron is just very consistent

[marsh idol]

Lol

[lethal chasm]

still like hera more

[untold iris]

great single target dps and very hard to mess up with if you're even somewhat competent

[lethal chasm]

i have a seed of aphro start w epic attack and i cant make it past theseus w out dying w Varatha

gonna have to just Arthur it smh

off my game today hxc somethin

[untold iris]

on a regular run?

[lethal chasm]

em4

12 heat

p regular tho

lol

jury summons i think?

[marsh idol]

Btw does anyone use Stubborn Defiance as anything other than a meme

[untold iris]

its very good at high heat

but by high heat I mean like 40+ range

[lethal chasm]

yea

most ppl use it there

just to die and reset every encounter

[untold iris]

because once you get to that level of heat you can no longer heal

your only healing is suiciding in a map and proccing stubborn defiance

[marsh idol]

I tried the MAX heat and died in the second chamber LOL

[untold iris]

well nobody does max heat

[lethal chasm]

i could f em4 up with eris

[untold iris]

I think the current record is like 54?

[lethal chasm]

but eris just feels like cheating

[robust anchor]

stubborn defiance is goodwith lastin consequences

[lethal chasm]

_>

[robust anchor]

current record is 55

with rama bow

[untold iris]

something like that

[marsh idol]

55 jesus christ

[lethal chasm]

i need to play more rama

[robust anchor]

for patch 1.0

[worldly trellis]

Pretty sure Ive asked this before, but does Ravenous Will activate when my casts are loaded into Beo/Hera?

[marsh idol]

I barely cleared 16

[lethal chasm]

i got 19 mins w just zeus on rama special

nothign else

sooo pew pew

[untold iris]

I feel like im at the point where 20 heat is barely any more difficult than no heat, but 32 heat is still really hard

[lethal chasm]

im just slowly climbing it w all weps lol

at 12 w varatha, 9-10 w rest

challenging myself bc i sucked w varatha now im not as bad

[untold iris]

because once I start getting into the 20s I'm actually taking heat that I personally find hard
whereas below that I can just take the traits that I think are easy

[lethal chasm]

bout to just take rama into em4 tho w this aphro attack seed

chunk chunk

naa achilles it is

i just had horrible rng last time got no cast

after i reset a near perfect start bc i missed a chaos gate x_x

[untold iris]

you dont really need a cast unless you're going for a cast centric build

[lethal chasm]

bigbrain

true

[untold iris]

i have a bunch of runs where I have no cast

[lethal chasm]

on achilles tho its quite nice

[untold iris]

base cast is already very good since it adds +50% damage

[lethal chasm]

yea i just had a quickspin and widespin build but i just died at theseus 2x like aight thats not gonna hit em4

but if i had a cast to supplement me wouldnt be a prob

tryina get better w vartha lol >_>

[untold iris]

I feel like EM3 theseus is not that hard of a fight once you get used to asterius's patterns

theseus barely does anything

[lethal chasm]

yea i found it WAY easier

at first

[untold iris]

he just runs around shooting bombs that have a massive delay

[lethal chasm]

now im in between depends on builds

just cant unga bunga that fight unless you got the right build lol

[visual kestrel]

i find it easier cuz he loses the shield in the first half

and in the second half you can just full god gauge and he usually dies

[kindred hearth]

I find it much easier with any deflect boon, otherwise just slightly easier

[lost merlin]

just unlocked laser, this thing seems pretty sick

it any good?

[visual kestrel]

yep

best hidden aspect imo

either that or ||arthur aspect||

[opal lodge]

sleepin on rama in 1.0

[rare kayak]

sleepin on gy smh

ive done a complete 180 on gy and now consider it the most fun hidden aspect

because of the hitbox on that special

[lethal chasm]

luci 2nd worst imo

cuz eris is just so good why not use that

lol

rama>=??arthur>gy=beo>luci>gilg imo

gy is hella fun i did some runs w it, crazy chunks lol not as much dodge as i wanted but ay

[wicked horizon]

I thought the laser was one of the worst hidden, as anything it does Eris does better

I'm also not fond of how slow arthur is

[lethal chasm]

eris i dont even run bc its so good lol

arthur isnt slow imo

i get sub 20 every time

its my fastest wep

[untold iris]

i mean eris is arguably the best weapon in the game so trying to compare anything to it is sort of a lost cause

[lethal chasm]

you gotta learn to cancel into the third hit

[wicked horizon]

I didn't mean clear time i meant attack windup

[lethal chasm]

yea but if you dash while winding up

you can mitigate a lot of that

[wicked horizon]

Hm alright

My favorite hidden is beowulf

[lethal chasm]

it has weird mechanics where you can dash while winding up and it still charges

eh it was mine for a bit

i still like it

[wicked horizon]

Like zeus might still be better as a shield aspect but i like cast builds

[lethal chasm]

zeus was all i ran for my first like 20 runs

havent rly touched it since

shield def my worst wep altho it was my fav at first lol

[wicked horizon]

Sounds about right

I think... Sword is my weakest?

[lethal chasm]

sword is pretty weak without arthur imo

i did a JACKED nemesis yesterday

and still felt pew pew weak

not weak just have to do a LOT of hits to do a lot of dmg

[wicked horizon]

Posiedon and nemesis have their benefits but they seem weaker than similar aspects on other weapons

[lethal chasm]

arthur makes up for the crappy hammers of sword** aswell lol

yea ill never run poseidon over achilles rly..

[wicked horizon]

Nemesis also seems like a worse achilles/hestia/talos

[lethal chasm]

yea i mean nemesis is good in theory but like i said i had it jacked like lvl 7 aphro atk epic yesterday and it was still difficult to kill redacted bc how dangerous sword combos can be

[wicked horizon]

Yeah you're basically banking on like, dash attack hammer and bonus dashes?

[lethal chasm]

basically lol i was doing BIG combos and getting 1k

whereas 1 swing on arthur is that

w less boons prob

[viscid pawn]

If you have crit chance from multiple sources

[wicked horizon]

Additive

[viscid pawn]

So it gets treated as 1 thing when it rolls for RNG?

[wicked horizon]

Yesh

You can get like... 80% crit on spear with vicious skewer, artemis, and pressure points

[lethal chasm]

keep screwing myself on this achilles run trying to get a good poseidon cast duo x_x

or doom stack

[wicked horizon]

Throw in the poison = crit chance and you can push 100

[lethal chasm]

poison = crit chance?

[wicked horizon]

There dio/arti duo boon

Poison stacks give 1.5% crit chance each

[lethal chasm]

oh word i havent seen that i dont think o_O

almost certainly not

weird

[viscid pawn]

Wait so

[lethal chasm]

didnt know that at alllll id be running dio a lot more

[viscid pawn]

Do Dionysius' different hangover sources stack together

[lethal chasm]

i skip him a alot

i dont think so

[viscid pawn]

Because the hangover damage is different per skill origin

[lethal chasm]

but thats just thought

id bet the biggest one wins out or the first one but idk.

[wicked horizon]

You can only have max 5 hangover stacks (8 on wrak enemies with the aprho duo) and I'm not sure how it prioritizes multiple sources

[lethal chasm]

yea no way it keeps track of atk hangover etc

its just hangover

[wicked horizon]

In general i try to avoid multiple hangover boons. He has some good support boons though

[lethal chasm]

i would imagine each stack adds individually

[wicked horizon]

Like slow on hangover enemies, bonus damage per fountain, nectar gives hp

[lethal chasm]

like if you get 1 hit w special @ 9 dmg, and then atk w 6, you have 2 stacks ticking at 15

not tested but i would guess thats how it goes

[wicked horizon]

Pretty sure yeah

I'm just not sure what happens when you've got, say, 4 special stacks and one attack stack and you hit with a special

Does it overwrite the attack stack? The oldest stack?

Does it just refresh durations? I've seen stacks fall off individually so I don't think it's that

[lethal chasm]

noo clue hangover is one of my least used mechanics

hard to get it to good lvls of dmg ime lol

that art duo crazy tho

[wicked horizon]

Yeah the dream is art/aphro/dio with all their duos. Art aphro does bonus crit damage on weak enemies. Dio aphro does bonus hangover stacks on weak enemies. Dio art is bonus crit chance per hangover stack. Add them all together and you just melt things

Best weapons/aspects for it are probably demeter fists (poison on attack, crit or weak on special and the other on cast), eris (same), or chiron bow (poison on special, crit or weak on attack and the other on cast)

[lethal chasm]

tried to get good duos on this aphro atk achilles build but doesnt look like anything gonna happen 😭 think i can do em4 tho maybe lol

im always hesitant to take off divine blossom

need to stop that ish to get my builds right lol

[wicked horizon]

Ugh i had the perfect setup for brutal duo/legendary today. Achilles, ares cast, artemis attack, posiedon special. And then i never got mirage shot, fully loaded, OR hunting Blades despite all three being boons in styx and having several fated persuasion

Divine blossom? You mean pom blossom?

Or do you mean aphro's trinket?

[lethal chasm]

yea pom sorry lol

achilles hunting blades is some ish

i shouldve tried to get it

was going for curse of drowning tho

or blizz

now im at redacted w lil old puddle shot

magikarp

[wicked horizon]

Hunting blades is stupid good

I had it a few runs back with all three of ares boons that buff blade rifts and it just ate the final boss

[slim kraken]

So, am I seriously gonna have to stick to my jank ass controller config for twin stick capabilities?

They're not gonna implement it at all?

[viscid pawn]

What's wrong with your controller?

[lethal chasm]

yea i got lucky a few days ago and got hunting blades like 3x, GG

especially w lightning rod

dmg still goes when they expire lol

[slim kraken]

nothing, i'm using a steam controller config to add pseudo twin stick capabilities

i'd just rather not have to, cause it's jank

[wicked horizon]

What do you mean by twin stick?

[slim kraken]

left stick for movement, right stick to aim

[viscid pawn]

That doesn't really

work

Since all of the attacks require you to move in the direction you strike

[slim kraken]

oh no, it works, i'm running it now

[viscid pawn]

Huh. How does that look?

[slim kraken]

mouse and keyboard can do it

[viscid pawn]

Oh I see. Okay.

[slim kraken]

imo, feels way better, made so much more progress after i implemeted the jank fix

[wicked horizon]

Oh so you're basically using the right stick as a mouse cursor? Interesting

[slim kraken]

yep

i highly recommend anyone using a controller who likes twin sticks to try it

i did publish my config

[viscid pawn]

I think my small smooth brain would implode at the idea of that much fiddliness

I already can't handle looking AND moving in 3D space if they're tied to seperate controls.

[slim kraken]

fair man, twin sticks aren't for everyone

i just wish it was an option

steam://controllerconfig/1145360/2263859021
Controller RB ----- Attack
Controller LB ----- Dash
Controller RT ----- Special
Controller LT ----- Cast
Controller Y ------ Gift/Misc/Call
Keyboard 1 -------- Summon
Controller A ------ Interact
Controller X ------ Reload
Controller B ------ Open Codex
Controller Select - Boon Info
Mouse region on right stick to aim

[lethal chasm]

em4 w phase 3 1 dd 1st try

bout to watch a video and not die.

lol

[wicked horizon]

My em4 wins have all been by the hair of my teeth. There's just so much extra bs to deal with

Faster attacks, miniboss summons, cerberus cthonic companion, healing, third life bar, turning the whole arena dark for the third

[slim kraken]

is there a good place i can get the word out, to people who might want it?

other than here obviously

[prime island]

The feeling when you get extra dash, devine dash, frost attack, heartbreak special, massive spin, quick charge on guan Yu. Oh, and have 180 hp, before the boss room in elysium. I am power lol.

And all those boons are epic as well, so 3x extra dash ect

[lethal chasm]

cluster or triple shot rockets 😮

takin eris to em4 like boom

[turbid needle]

Either is incredibly strong, but Cluster may be a bit stronger.

[lethal chasm]

yee lost at em4 w triple 😭 hard to remember to do all 3 kinda

[rare kayak]

cluster kinda slaps

i do wish it was simultaneous but whatever

[opal lodge]

just broke my single hit damage record lol

5k with rama attack

this bow is inzane

[queen wyvern]

Finally got winter harvest

lmao at just straight up executing bosses

[rare kayak]

its my favourite legendary just for the pageantry

[tranquil violet]

What're some good Eris builds?

[ornate prawn]

zeus attack, cluster bomb hammer, rocket bomb hammer

[tranquil violet]

Well hey

Went Zeus keepsake and got the Lucifer unlock

Forgot I was waiting for that

Hm

[rare kayak]

lol

[tranquil violet]

Should I take Triple Bomb now or just take Piercing Fire and hope for a better specials hammer

Triple Bomb is still pretty good

[ornate prawn]

eris rail needs you to stand in the special
so anything that puts more special out there is good

[tranquil violet]

I could still get rocket bomb later I guess

Though I find it harder of more restrictive build wise

You have to be really aggressive with rocket bomb

[prime island]

Is it possible for more than 2x hammers to drop, outside of maybe buying them from one source or another?

It seems pretty much like clockwork but you never know

[robust anchor]

yes you can naturally get 2 hammers

offered from room rewards

[prime island]

But that's the cap I take it

[robust anchor]

oh darn idk

[turbid needle]

Rocket Bomb can let you be even more defensive. Stick to walls and blast it right next to you for instant procs.

[opal lodge]

@prime island 2 is the cap. Same for hermes unless you buy the 500 one

[bronze sorrel]

TFW you ran AP 2 and you get legendary Defiance from Chaos, but its crossed out.

[tranquil violet]

Ooh

Targeting System feels nice

Took it with no better options but it works pretty decently

[lost badger]

If you were going for a Chiron bow build, and got bad hammers, what would salvage the run, boon-wise? I was just doing this, and I just didn’t get the boon combos I wanted. It felt like a pea shooter by styx. My special was only doing 240 total...

[lofty spoke]

If you were going for a Chiron bow build, and got bad hammers, what would salvage the run, boon-wise? I was just doing this, and I just didn’t get the boon combos I wanted. It felt like a pea shooter by styx. My special was only doing 240 total...
@lost badger I guess if you made it until styx.. the only thing you can pray for is the anvil at Charon's shop

I never seem to get the "Bad News" boon from Hermes. 110 runs in...

[lost badger]

I feel like I’ve gotten too used to OP builds lol, idk how to play a build that doesn’t need a strong duo/legendary to work

[bronze sorrel]

I feel that so much

[rare kayak]

you can get 3 hammer upgrades but its not a great idea

since its styx

[bronze sorrel]

I'm trying to win with AP2 RI3 right now and its such a pain. You can't get duos at all basically

I got offered Chaos legendary earlier and it was grayed out

32 heat is brutal, I can't make it out of Elysium

[rare kayak]

ri

oh lord

[lost badger]

I’m complaining about 11 heat

[wet rivet]

I only get anvil on meme runs for the codex

[lost badger]

I took anvil once with arthur, got the heal-on-hit hammer, and got chonked by the boss lol

[wet rivet]

Kek

[lofty spoke]

I took anvil once with arthur, got the heal-on-hit hammer, and got chonked by the boss lol
@lost badger Feel you. happened to me yesterday. RIP run.

[wet rivet]

Shekel arthur with backstab hammer for big chunks

[bronze sorrel]

I’m complaining about 11 heat
@lost badger If it makes you feel better the most I've escaped with is 16. I'm only doing this cause Nyaanyaa challenged me to do EM3, BP2, MM, UC, FO2, RI3, and AP2 for a total of 32 heat. Best run so far was Arthur with an epic tier Divine Strike, but then Asterius mopped the floor with me in the mini boss battle. I went in optimistically hoping it'd be the giant butterball.

[cunning urchin]

[bronze sorrel]

but hey its progress. On my first attempt at this challenge I got killed by Meg

[robust anchor]

[bronze sorrel]

My current run I just got ME on Talos, so maybe this is the one. Does it still count if I got ME @cunning urchin ?

[cunning urchin]

Sure, why wouldn't it?

[rare kayak]

nyaanyaas a jerk

[bronze sorrel]

IDK, just some very lucky RNG

[rare kayak]

ap2 uc with ri3 is meme heat

[cunning urchin]

It's good practice.

[bronze sorrel]

nyaanyaas a jerk
@rare kayak I mean I voluntarily chose to accept the challenge.

[tranquil violet]

You jerk

[cunning urchin]

I had RI3 AP2 UC at 52.

I also had a Charged Flight seed, but we don't count that.

[bronze sorrel]

also, for context, I had just challenged Nyaanyaa to do RI1, AP2 with random weapon aspect and no olympian keepsakes so I kinda deserved it.

Am I entirely unprepared for this challenge? Yes. But I'm having fun so its all good.

[mossy light]

that feeling when you foul up your build so badly you have no legendary or duo boons

[opal lodge]

goin into final boss with only core boons

[spare scaffold]

It happens sometimes

[mossy light]

it really shouldnt, not with gods persuasion and the legendary booster

i ended up picking boons that didnt result in merciful end, or any other duo. it was pretty awful really

[opal lodge]

LOL

the classic zero synergy build

[mossy light]

my mindset while playing was the worst part

its like. oh hey ares. lets get the... special. hmm. athena or talk to sisyphus? ehhh, sisyphus

more doom is good. lets just get doom on the attack

[cunning urchin]

Who needs boons?

[mossy light]

then me trying to salvage it by using the athena trinket and not getting it on attack or special

that was just shameful

[opal lodge]

replacements are pretty rare

id be curious to know the actual percentage chance

[tranquil violet]

I feel like when I try to force runs I get worse results than when I just accept RNGesus as my personal lord and savior

Tbh

[stark ore]

Same

The run I beat 32 Heat was the run I barely got any of the boons I wanted

[spare scaffold]

If you run AP you don't have to worry about any of it anyway

[stark ore]

I've learned to adapt to luck, not make luck adapt to me

Fated Persuasion is a required upgrade to keep yourself sane while running AP

[spare scaffold]

I thought it's disabled if you run AP?

[stark ore]

Nah, it lets you reroll the purging pool actually

[spare scaffold]

Like Fated Authority/Persuasion, Gods Pride etc are the first to go when you turn on AP1

Then AP4 is just no talents whatsoever

Not that I tried it yet

Oh purging pool.. huh?

[stark ore]

That's Routine Inspection, Underworld Customs is the one that forces you to purge one boon every time you enter a new biome

The day I run RI is the day hell freezes over

[spare scaffold]

Ohhhhh

[stark ore]

I need Persuasion and God's Legacy to stay sane in this game

[spare scaffold]

Wait I could have sworn it's Underworld Customs that's the purge boon per region

[cunning urchin]

RI doesn't disable rerolls.

[spare scaffold]

Interesting

[stark ore]

Oh right, yeah it's UC lol

[cunning urchin]

You start with 0, but you can still pick up rerolls.

[stark ore]

Approval Process is the one that gives you less boon options

Really fun when it decides to trash all the boons you actually want :)

Also can I just gush about Hyper Sprint for a sec

The common version sucks but the rare and epic ones are just amazing

Makes FO2 an absolute joke, especially FO2 Asterius

[opal lodge]

theyre different by 0.1 seconds each no?

[stark ore]

Yeah, 0.5 seconds makes it so you have short bits of no speed between dashes, making it feel meh

0.6 and 0.7 feel nice though

[turbid needle]

So i'm doing a run with the bow w/ artemis keepsake, does anyone have good build recommendations for boons etc with this? have barely used the bow so i'm pushing my comfort zone a bit n would love some pointers!

[cunning urchin]

What aspect?

Just base bow?

[heavy umbra]

The funny thing about Routine Inspection: it doesn't disable your rerolls from Fated Authority/Persuasion. It takes away all your starting dice. If you pick up a key, you get a die that you can use to reroll as normal.

[robust anchor]

true

[turbid needle]

Just base bow?
@cunning urchin yeah just base bow

[cunning urchin]

Hunter Dash, Deadly Strike.

[opal lodge]

GY sweet nectar build unironically good

somewhat ironically good

[wet rivet]

Sweet nectar = never see any nectar again

[marsh pumice]

just reroll rooms

[opal lodge]

sigh time to become a fated authority user again

[proven osprey]

never

[rare kayak]

so

whatre you guys blue laurel picks

in terms of the extra upgrades

[cold mason]

what do y'all often prefer? The increased chance of duo/legendaries or increased chance of epic?

[cunning urchin]

Legacy.

[cold mason]

that's the legendary duos yeah?

[proven osprey]

y

[cold mason]

am i correct in thinking you can never get duos (and possibly legendaries) in the double god rooms? I've never seen one offered

[proven osprey]

I've read here that you can't indeed get duos in these rooms

I don't know about legendaries tho

[cold mason]

I assume it’s because they have preset dialogues for those rooms meaning you can’t get the duo dialogue but yeah

[fossil cove]

Hello. Can someone help me with hera bow pls? 😦 I don't find any guide/build on Internet and I just don't know wich way to go with it

[proven osprey]

well, you don't get the dialogue once you got the boon once

I think

[cold mason]

You do sometimes since there's multiple duo dialogues for each. But my point is that I think it does a check for if it CAN deliver the dialogue first

idk

maybe i'm overthinking it

but point is i don't think you can get it in those rooms

[proven osprey]

yeah you can't

But I think I don't get dialogues anymore

[cunning urchin]

You cannot get any Duo Boon in a trial.

[proven osprey]

Hello. Can someone help me with hera bow pls? 😦 I don't find any guide/build on Internet and I just don't know wich way to go with it
@fossil cove Hera is a lot of fun, you could try Athena cast (her duo with aphro is lovely), Dio and Poseidon are really fun options too

[cunning urchin]

Flood Shot + Mirage Shot is nice.

Crush Shot + Parting Shot.

[fossil cove]

I saw people use Dyonisos cast on Hera bow but I don't understand why 🙄

[proven osprey]

well

[cunning urchin]

Because Trippy Shot has the highest base damage out of all the casts.

[proven osprey]

it's like a nuke

[fossil cove]

Aaaaaaah yeah I see thanks

I need to find the Hermes boon who allow you to get back your cast faster I suppose

[shut moth]

Does Swift Flourish on L aspect make the Hellfire pulse faster?

i feel like it should

[cunning urchin]

Bold of you to assume that anyone has a clue what Swift Strike and Swift Flourish actually do.

[hushed sun]

oh shoot

[proven osprey]

@fossil cove you don't need it

[hushed sun]

never knew you could chain dash spins

[fossil cove]

Why Astaos?

[proven osprey]

Well, you just have to pick up your casts

[fierce thicket]

stygian soul is not bad with trippy shot

[fossil cove]

Sorry about my english. I'm talking of Quick Reload

[proven osprey]

Oh yeah

but it applies to lodging casts

Dio's cast does not lodge

[fossil cove]

Yes indeed

[shut moth]

i took swift flourish and i just can't tell

is it pulsing faster? no idea

[proven osprey]

who uses special on L anyway

[shut moth]

pulsing doom on everyone is fun

im pulsing weak so enemies can't hurt me

and if an enemy attacks near hellfire it explodes

and weak adds a LOT of damage

wait if i sell a hermes boon can i get a new one?

because isn't there a limit

[cunning urchin]

Yes.

[shut moth]

good

i also can never choose whether to use stygian or infernal soul

i never know how i want to do bloodstones

[proven osprey]

I like having three casts

[shut moth]

me too sometimes

ares REALLY wants me to have doom on my attack

which isn't good on a gun

but FINE

[proven osprey]

why you do dis

[cold mason]

it's good on gun with athena dash and merciful end but

i get you

[gloomy kettle]

which blade aspect do you guys think is the best?

[cunning urchin]

Excalibur.

[spare scaffold]

I haven't tried Poseidon yet, maybe I should at some point, but I know both Nemesis and Arthur gives you big damage

Arthur took me a while to get used to

[cunning urchin]

Nemesis gets better DPS than Excalibur.

But Excalibur is way safer.

[cold mason]

Yeah but Arthur’s damage reduction is hilarious

[proven osprey]

Poseidon is fun to play (to me at least)

[spare scaffold]

I'm honestly not into dash strike/dash strike/special yet

[cold mason]

Last time I used it Satan was hitting me for like 5 damage

[spare scaffold]

Apparently that's the most efficient way to output damage on sword

Woah is it like 80% damage reduction on lvl 5 or something

[cold mason]

It is but efficiency is boring just combo with specials unless you’re speedrunning

[gloomy kettle]

oi, no reason to call your pops satan, he's just doing his job
but speaking of satan, lucifer aspect is the only way I haven't unlocked because zeus won't talk to me

[cold mason]

I don’t remember but I had a bunch of other damage reduction boobs

[gloomy kettle]

arthur has heavy strong attacks while normal aspects have the quicker stabs

[cold mason]

Boons obv tho yes boobs

[gloomy kettle]

speed is more relative to DPS

[proven osprey]

boobs

[spare scaffold]

Would using his keepsake and restarting the first chamber work, I know the conversation is changed not everything else

[cold mason]

Maybe. But also make sure you have 5 blood on the gun

[gloomy kettle]

restart as in: restart the game
or give up and try again?

[spare scaffold]

Give up

[cold mason]

Does your gun have 5 blood for sure?

[gloomy kettle]

but to do that I have to give up my 13 win streak, I don't want that

[spare scaffold]

Restarting the app is probably the same thing

[gloomy kettle]

nah

[proven osprey]

same seed should be same dialogue, no ?

[spare scaffold]

I don't think give up impacts your win streaks

[gloomy kettle]

restarting the run won't count as a give up in the first room

[spare scaffold]

No, not the same dialogue

[wet rivet]

All swords are ok imo

Some are just better than the others

[cold mason]

Zag aspect sword is a waste of time

[proven osprey]

nah

skelly

[shut moth]

guys should i buy another fated persuasion or a useless rank upgrade

[cold mason]

Rank upgrade

Forever

Unless you don’t have 3 persuasions

[shut moth]

i have 2

[cold mason]

Get a third imo

[shut moth]

but i almost have 200 keys for the cool theme

[cold mason]

But then rank upgrades forever

[proven osprey]

third allows double reroll

[cold mason]

Yeah

[proven osprey]

isn't there a darkness theme tho ?

[cunning urchin]

Just max your mirror first.

[shut moth]

no

im gonna go 10 runs without giving the chef anything

then im gonna unload the fishpocalypse upon him

[proven osprey]

doing the same

giving only 2 is underwhelming

[winged grove]

how you even make use of deadly reversal?

it feel such a trash boon

I thought it worked same way like merciful end

then I realize I need to deflect first

[cunning urchin]

You deflect anything and get +20% crit chance for a couple seconds on all of your damage.

It's one of the best Duo Boons in the game.

[winged grove]

wait what

how

[sharp anvil]

Because global crit is insane

[winged grove]

what you even deflect?... first boss has bullet hell so I can see some use there, hydra too if one of the head throwing projectile, 3rd boss fight only deflect option is spear throw and finally hades cast and his spear throw

first two boss become joke if you're used to them lol

[cunning urchin]

You can deflect all of Asterius's attacks.

[sharp anvil]

Butterfly ball butterflies, sniper's shots, witches projectiles

There's a ton of stuff you can deflect

[winged grove]

I see so athena dash is must in this build

or fist with athena attack

[cunning urchin]

You can deflect all of Hades's attacks except for the spins and beams.

And that shockwave when he phases.

[winged grove]

well one last thing I want to ask

duration is 2 second

this last for entire duration or just one hit?

[sharp anvil]

Entire duration

[winged grove]

I see

[proven osprey]

E N T I R E

[winged grove]

well EM4 with deadly reversal might not work out

p2 and p3 produce no mobs that I could deflect

cast deflect gang

[winged grove]

lol now I get it why its broken

[sharp anvil]

By how much did they reduce special damage on bows?

[untold vortex]

From 15 to 10 from memory

[sharp anvil]

Oh that's pretty big

[untold vortex]

Yeah, there where other changes too but can't recall them off the top of my head, they should be outlined in #hades-patch-notes

[sharp anvil]

Gave Chiron +1 arrow and made charged volley do 250% instead of 200%

To offset the nerf on those two

[gleaming current]

Yeah

[sharp anvil]

But the nerf on Chiron is still very noticeable

I had 50 clears on Chiron before this and I can clearly see the nerf

[gleaming current]

Well, it was clearly overbuffed on release, so rip

[untold vortex]

Indeed, chiron was overtuned for sure

[sharp anvil]

It definitely was too strong

It was giving me free wins pretty early

[gleaming current]

Right now chiron is in decent state at least, which is nice

[marsh pumice]

isnt its 300% for charged volley

[sharp anvil]

No

[untold vortex]

The extra arrow makes concentrated volley more attractive

[sharp anvil]

Concentrated volley was always very attractive

[untold vortex]

It turns into +108 base damage if all arrows hit

Never said otherwise

[sharp anvil]

Yeah, I wish they altered that and the +4 shots a bit more

Because Concentrated Volley is miles ahead of it now

[gleaming current]

Meh tbh, consistency and more status effects from relentless is still a thing

Concentrated only definitely wins on bosses and such

[winged grove]

deadly reverse + call

1/3 of the boss hp is gone

this is meme

[sharp anvil]

I always go either Heartbreak or Deadly flourish

Chill can be fun sometimes if you get +4 arrows and the detonate chill

[cunning urchin]

Low Tolerance on Chiron is amazing.

[untold vortex]

agreed

it's even better now that you can get the full 8 stacks off of one special

[cunning urchin]

Yep.

[spare scaffold]

Does EM Hydra(s) get more health or it's just different arena layout

[cunning urchin]

Doesn't get more HP.

[brittle vault]

so rama is my favorite bow aspect right now. but it's not because i like the mechanics of it. it's because the damage is so chunky it brings a tear to my eye

[limber flax]

chiron is so fun its insane

bow might be my favorite weapon rn

[solid cairn]

I need to get the hang of rama bow

Specifically power shots

Seems like an improved zag bow tho

But the shots are T H I C C

[marsh pumice]

Bow is the best

[unreal bolt]

My fav bow is hera’s

Really can’t seem to handle Chiron at such a low lv

[solid cairn]

I suck at cast builds

[weak garnet]

rama is my fave bow rn, it's so satisfying

[worn crypt]

It's definitely the best bow

[solid cairn]

I cant hit power shots either

[half crater]

aren’t cast builds like, the easiest builds to play

[solid cairn]

apparently there's actually a sound cue and if you turn the sfx up higher than the music/voices it's really easy to power shot

not really

[half crater]

if you suck at them, it’s probably just the game not rnging you into full wine or whatever

[solid cairn]

cast animations are long

[half crater]

true

idk i like cast builds

[solid cairn]

and they don't really feel good to me

maybe it's because I'm trying to jump straight into 32 heat with them (actually it's probably that)

[half crater]

haha could be

[solid cairn]

I can tell you that achilles is a very challenging speedrun weapon

[half crater]

idk i used cast builds to crutch me through half my 32 victories

but it’s probably playstyle dependant idk

[solid cairn]

I mean I like the idea of a hybrid cast weapon

[half crater]

my current pb i got by accident with achilles lol

but i don’t try for speedruns really, so that prolly doesn’t mean anything

[solid cairn]

zeus cast is weird, it's the one we use

[half crater]

yeah i’ve heard that

[solid cairn]

crush shot could be fun

[weak garnet]

I got my fastest run last night at 19 mins heat 9 with spear of achilles

[half crater]

crush shot was my fav cast, back when it had a ridiculous aoe

yeah... it’s prolly good they nerfed it

[weak garnet]

I know that's low heat and not particularly fast

[solid cairn]

my favorite is poseidon

[fossil cove]

Do you have a link optimised build for each weapon please? I'm in love with Hades but I think I'm realling bad at "builind" 😦

[solid cairn]

fastest heat for in game time is 6

[weak garnet]

Poseidon sword?

[half crater]

that’s fast lol

i should watch that run

[solid cairn]

my best time is 7:58

off recording

[half crater]

respect

my fastest is like 18 mins or something lmao

[proven osprey]

there are questions in your life that are so hard to answer

like

"Serrated point or charged skewer?"

[half crater]

what aspect?

[proven osprey]

The only one

GY

[half crater]

skewer prolly

[proven osprey]

safer yeah

[half crater]

what can i say; i’m a coward at heart

[proven osprey]

haha

[cunning urchin]

Serrated Point for speed and speed, Charged Skewer for speed and safety.

[half crater]

serrated point is great because you either kill everything or die, and either way it’s fast

great speedrun strat there

[proven osprey]

I barely made it with charged skewer

we fine

[solid cairn]

guan yu isn't a good speedrun weapon

[proven osprey]

I dare you

[solid cairn]

dare me to what?

get a time less than 10 minutes with it? Aint happening

I love guan yu normally btw

[proven osprey]

it is such a noble weapon

[cunning urchin]

I got 10:12.18 with Guan Yu with a 3-sack lol.

[solid cairn]

nvm

[proven osprey]

there we go

[solid cairn]

still requires a hammer

so you require a hammer for a time that is just okay

[cunning urchin]

I'm not even a speedrunner lol.

[proven osprey]

come on Nyan

don't lie to us

[cunning urchin]

?

[proven osprey]

ok ok

gimme a sec

[hoary slate]

I don't get this 'requires a hammer' stuff.
It's not like you're doing speed runs with AP2 or sth

[solid cairn]

umm what

I mean you can get okay times with no hammer

[proven osprey]

https://imgur.com/a/Av6bv8S

[hearty elbow]

Idk, seemed like they were slightly grasping at straws for an argument. Speedruns, like any runs, require a certain percentage to go right. Sure, GY isn't the best speed running weapon, but it's clearly capable of going extremely fast without much effort put into it.

[solid cairn]

im gonna try to do it

[cunning urchin]

It's not like anything but Eris matters for any heat.

[solid cairn]

this is for fun

[cunning urchin]

I don't know about "extremely fast". I had Serrated Point and Charged Skewer.

No one really submits Guan Yu speedruns.

[solid cairn]

eris all the time is boring

[hearty elbow]

We're also not in the speedrunning discord, and you're not even a speed runner lol. 10:xx is pretty objectively extremely fast for a "normal" run.

[solid cairn]

you calling me not a speedrunner?

[hearty elbow]

Was not talking to you, nope

[solid cairn]

oh

[hearty elbow]

Lol, someone's ready with honorable fisticuffs to scrap :3

[solid cairn]

trying to get sub 10 with every weapon

I dont like achilles spear

so guan yu is next best option lol

merciful end fisticuffs to be precise

[proven osprey]

what about

Hades

[cunning urchin]

That's the game we're playing, yes.

[proven osprey]

hey

I know that, it's humor

[cunning urchin]

I imagine Hades Aspect would be faster than Guan Yu.

[proven osprey]

I have not played it in a while but I was "fast" for a noob with it

that bonus dmg is amazing

[solid cairn]

hmmm

the speedrun guides says GY is the only thing that even comes close to achilles in speed

but that doesn't disqualify it necessarily

[cunning urchin]

Was that written before or after the spear buffs?

[solid cairn]

will have to check

[sacred geyser]

i got a question about game mechanics, maybe someone knows how it works
let's say i have Drunken Strike and its hangover deals 4 damage
and i also have Drunken Flourish and its hangover deals 6 damage
and i Attack someone once, and use my Special on them once
will the hangover actually be 10 damage together?

[solid cairn]

it does seem a bit outdated, the eris strats are wrong

we don't use zeus call anymore, we use ||Hades call||

[sacred geyser]

if i were to Attack five times, so it's 20 damage, and then use my Special, will it overwrite, resulting in 22?

[still estuary]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[robust anchor]

hangover doesnt overwrite itself

[still estuary]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[robust anchor]

yes flower is right sadge

[hearty elbow]

Makes Drunken Dash an absolute abomination

[sacred geyser]

yeah its hangover is, like, 2

but yeah im in that exact situation i described, my drunken strike has no rarity and does 4, and my flourish is epic and deals 9

[hearty elbow]

Sell baby sell

[sacred geyser]

but im using Spear so throwing and recalling 5 times before actually attacking feels slow

admittedly im only in chamber 8 yet so i'll probably buff, sell or replace it eventually

[proven osprey]

ah

[robust anchor]

base spear special kinda sad ngl

[hearty elbow]

Base spear kinda sad ngl

[robust anchor]

:(

[half crater]

base spear special is fun

it go fast

but ye it is kinda sad

[sacred geyser]

i prefer raging rush but i didnt have enough TB to level it

[hearty elbow]

Did they buff the width of it in 1.0 or something?

[sacred geyser]

invested it all in beowulf/gilgamesh

[hearty elbow]

I remember it just needling straight between enemies sometimes

[half crater]

maybe?

not sure but i’d believe it

levelling beo is the correct choice

[sacred geyser]

ok so now i got a pom and i can either buff my Strike hangover to 6 or make flourish even better
i should probably bet on replacing strike

[cunning urchin]

Base kinda sad ngl

[half crater]

beo best weapon

[sacred geyser]

beowulf is my fav weapon i think

[half crater]

same

[sacred geyser]

though gilgamesh is the most fun

i love the dashes

[solid cairn]

I almost like beo

[cunning urchin]

Beowulf + Charged Flight was maybe the best, but no longer.

[sacred geyser]

i love the one where your rush instead becomes a piercing shot

cause its range gets so huge

[plain mantle]

Lol eternal chamber doom and merciful end on the lucifer bomb is so meme

[fair plinth]

huh

didn't know it was possible tog et 2 erebus gates in one area

[digital mountain]

so what is the benefit or erebus gates? is it just an extra choice at end of room? i assume its always a higher rarity boon?

[half crater]

yeah better boon

[barren otter]

Erebus gates have boons with higher rarity, poms that give +2 levels instead of 1, coins that give +200 obols instead of 100 and centaur hearts that give +50 max hp instead of 25

[half crater]

^

[sacred geyser]

lol i ended up winning while still having the 4-hangover-drunken strike

[fair plinth]

safgadfgadfg almost had a perfect run on final boss and his final laser clipped me for 2 damage

[rare stone]

does nurished soul(demeter boon that gives more healing) wor with the demet&athena dou?

[fiery vigil]

I haven't used Chaos aspect very much since pre-1.0 (moved on to the rail) I think all the way back in february, did something change with it post launch? I seemed to remember it faring better, though I still like it in general

Also is there any way to make Beowulf shield work that well? I found it hard to be a fan, especially compared to other 4th aspects

[cunning urchin]

@weak moat was testing all kinds of casts on Beowulf today on his Twitch stream. Maybe you could check that out.

[opal lodge]

any novelties besides the usual aphro/dio cast? im at work otherwise id check it out

[turbid needle]

@rare stone I think so, since said boon apply to the mirror heal between rooms, but you can't see it :
Nourished soul max healing is +36.75%, translating the 1 life/sec into 1.368 health per sec, rounded down to 1.
I think that's how it should work, but I didn't look much into the game mechanics so not entirely sure

[cold mason]

wait

artemis' boons aren't giving bonus damage? is that just the test version or the current version?

[hoary slate]

does nurished soul(demeter boon that gives more healing) wor with the demet&athena dou?
@rare stone
Nope, actually. The Duo works even with no healing difficulty on, so it is not changed

[cold mason]

i don't even remember swearing tbh

@cunning urchin sorry i hate to ping you but I know you know the math better than anyone atm; is the artemis damage bug current or just test version?

[cunning urchin]

I was just offered a +15% Attack damage Heroic Deadly Strike in the test-branch, so I'm very sure it's just the test branch.

[turbid needle]

Even base is 20% dmg I think ? lol

[cold mason]

okay thank god

cause i was like what no

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, common should be +20%.

[cold mason]

also jesus

[opal lodge]

dash nova on arthur pog

[whole axle]

Can I reroll/fated authority into a duo boon if I didn't get the "duo" boon dialogue?

[hoary slate]

Yes

[fiery vigil]

100%

I've gotten plenty of duo boons even without the duo boon dialogue either

[whole axle]

nice, just rerolled on two separate occassions and got duo boons that I need for prophecy achievements 😄

[fiery vigil]

[cunning urchin]

Fated Persuasion, though. Fated Authority is the other reroll.

[calm saddle]

ok so if i take rama bow

but wanted to maximize my special dmg

other than deadly flourish and a few other arty boons im not sure what else i should take tbh

[turbid needle]

Isn't Zeus spec better with Rama ?

[calm saddle]

yeah im just doing some fun runs

[turbid needle]

Well, if all about special, you're at the mercy of hammers

[calm saddle]

concentrated and relentless are musts

probably piercing even as well lol

luck is required

[hearty elbow]

Don't do special damage builds on Rama lol. Your base damage is 5

You also don't have access to Piercing, Charged, or Concentrated Volley

[cunning urchin]

What if I'm playing Blood Price beta build #1?

[hearty elbow]

Then you have Charged Volley at least :3

[cunning urchin]

Am I allowed to do a Special build then?

[hearty elbow]

Special builds are great, I was talking about using Special damage, ala Deadly Flourish

[cunning urchin]

Swift Flourish was so much fun then.

[magic monolith]

fam any recs for going for a Bow Special playthrough? really itching for some D3 DH Multishot action

[hearty elbow]

Do you mean with Zag or Chiron?

[magic monolith]

if you're asking me that's just it, i'm not even sure which aspect would best fit

[hearty elbow]

They both have special builds like D3 DH, but they play differently. Zag is a point blank special build if you get Charged Volley, and Chiron plays from really far away

[magic monolith]

i think Zagreus

[hearty elbow]

The downside with Zag is that you kind of need Chaged Volley to make it worthwhile.

[magic monolith]

hmm

[hearty elbow]

Chiron primarily uses its special for damage

[magic monolith]

i do like Chiron but I was thinking more of a spread shot/tag as many as possible

if that makes sense

[hearty elbow]

Zag + Charged + Relentless/Concentrated does look a great deal like Demon Hunter.

[magic monolith]

thank you kindly ^_^

[turbid needle]

+166% on attack from Aphro lvl 5 Heroic, 70% from chaos, 72% in 3 encounters from chaos again, chamber 23, I like how this run's going

[cinder flower]

This is the first time I got the art legendary with the hera athena bow build, was crazy fun, and fastest EM hades i've done yet https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/369256100954112027/769281003675451452/unknown.png

6 cast lul

[robust saffron]

does that deflect his lasers??

[maiden wolf]

Does Rare Crop cause all your boons to gain rarity every 3 encounters or just the two it demotes?

[unkempt pagoda]

just the few

[maiden wolf]

[opal lodge]

depends on the rarity

common rare crop chooses 1 boon