h1-builds-and-combat

[rare kayak]

yeah i do 30+ heat

looks at my hades at version 0.5 or whichever

wasnt that like 200 heat for a pact or something

[hearty elbow]

For aspects I'm not familiar with, or sword I typically explore and durdle around 20

[half crater]

wait is sword bad at heat

i just assumed i had no skillz

[hearty elbow]

I mean, subjectively. Objectively, I am bad at sword at high heat.

[rare kayak]

objectively to me bow is the worst weapon in the game

[primal hazel]

Yo am any tips for nemesis? Just regular old heart rend again?

[rare kayak]

mash and pray

[hearty elbow]

Deflect in every slot

[rare kayak]

😎

[primal hazel]

Thanks

I use the mash and pray build

What's the mash and pray God called again?

[hearty elbow]

Athena

[rare kayak]

i wanna try the artemis dio aphro trio of duos some day

[primal hazel]

Huh athena? Not crit build?

[rare kayak]

if rng ever allows me to

all of them if you mash hard enough

What's the mash and pray God called again?

[hearty elbow]

Athena is epitome of mash and pray lol. You "usually" don't get hit. Just keep mashing.

[half crater]

mash and pray god is artemis

athena is just mash; you don't have to pray

[red mist]

so I have artemis second

[rare kayak]

actually its poseidon

[red mist]

what do I do with this

[rare kayak]

mash dash

and pray

[red mist]

on zeus chaos shield

right now I've been offered attack and pp

[half crater]

pp prolly

[barren otter]

Is it possible to get all 3 choices as boon exchanges? I've had 2 at most, I wonder if 3 is possible.

[hearty elbow]

I very highly doubt there's a coded thing to stop this from happening

[red mist]

3 is possible

[half crater]

i've had that

[hearty elbow]

But I think the odds of a replacement are really low, like, 1% or something?

[half crater]

was hilarious

[red mist]

I got uncle poseidon

rare attack or rare cast?

[half crater]

cast

[hearty elbow]

Cast

[unkempt pagoda]

i've seen screenshots of 3 exchanges before

[red mist]

do I take artemis call?

[half crater]

depends on the options ig

[red mist]

I'm pretty sure I shouldn't be taking any of the crit support

or her dash lol

[half crater]

in that case i'd prolly take it yeah

[red mist]

oh geez natural athena

[half crater]

nice

lucky you didn't take that dash lol

[red mist]

which keepsake

I already have zeus, pos, athena, arty

money, I think

[half crater]

coin purse yeah

[hearty elbow]

do I take artemis call?
@red mist Generally? No.

[red mist]

oh dear my forced sell is not good

lightning rod, dash, jolted

[half crater]

yeet lightning rod

[red mist]

do i sell rod for money or reroll

yeah I suppose so

[half crater]

oh you can reroll?

hmm

[red mist]

eh I sold rod, it makes my arty boons better

[half crater]

depends how likely it is you can roll up some trash you don't need at all

but yeah i think selling lightning rod isn't a bad move

[hearty elbow]

I would typically not sell Lightning Rod on aspects like Chaos. Free damage is great.

[red mist]

hmm true

[half crater]

it's actually decent now, but its also worth a lot

i mean, ledger makes a good point

[red mist]

okay I reloaded

we can think about this

[hearty elbow]

Damage is always the choke point for Chaos

[half crater]

yeah

you're probably right

[hearty elbow]

I think I would have sold Divine Dash since Athena is already in my pool and you have a shield anyway

[half crater]

i mean, no need if they had rerolls

[hearty elbow]

(obviously with intent of getting back again)

[red mist]

is this worth rerolling? hmm

[half crater]

yeah probably

[red mist]

in terms of garbage, I have common razor shoals, common arty aid, , flurry cast

out of 9 total sellable boons

[hearty elbow]

That's a lot of trash, I'd probably reroll yeah

[red mist]

sold flurry cast let's go

hammer or pom?

[hearty elbow]

Probably Hammer if you're in Elysium, since you'll just get offered it over and over and over again and it cuts your chance of getting more boons

[red mist]

breaching rush, dashing flight, pulverizing blow

all pretty garbage on chaos

[half crater]

pulverising is decent

[red mist]

my attack is boonless

[half crater]

doesn't mean it will be forever

[hearty elbow]

You're never really expecting to get useful Hammers on Chaos, because they barely exist in the first place

[red mist]

athena hard or poseidon hard?

I got sea storm already

as well as an extra DD

[hearty elbow]

Hard?

[half crater]

i presume they're elite rooms

[red mist]

yep

[half crater]

i'd go athena probably

[hearty elbow]

If you're on SD it's always worth to go for another DD

Or you could go for Brilliant Riposte to Divine Protection

[half crater]

oh you're on SD? athena definitely

[red mist]

I already have the extra DD

riposte is a good idea

[half crater]

there's two athena DD boons

you can get both

[red mist]

there are

oh I can ahve both that is sweet

[hearty elbow]

One is invulnerability time, and the other is extra health gained

[red mist]

oh I forgot to get myself killed

I guess I'll just take the attack

[hearty elbow]

No worries, I do that all the time

[half crater]

i once had both DD boons appear, after forgetting to die

[red mist]

since I'm not on EM4

[half crater]

lowest point in my life

[red mist]

epic sure footing would be pretty nice if I had to fight vase dad

[half crater]

actually no; the lowest was when i killed myself after witches circle to cycle my SD, only to realise that i had died that fight

i committed suicide for no reason on a run that had been going great

both versions of Dad have vases?

[red mist]

dad v2 has 150 damage vases

[half crater]

nah they do the same damage

the 150 damage vases come from HS

[red mist]

oh jeez

I'm up to 175 health

thanks patty and athena

[half crater]

nice

dark kiss of styx is sooo good

i'm always kinda hoping i can do this again:
#h1-high-heat-strategies message

back to full health after each SD ftw

[red mist]

hmm, zeus offers me epic clouded judgment and billowing strength

what I really want is double strike though

got 2 rerolls left

[half crater]

reroll

[red mist]

miss, taking high voltage

[half crater]

ah well; still a prereq for the legendary

[red mist]

35 heat clear, whee

[half crater]

huzzah

[red mist]

okay I have an interesting one

I have 4 gods locked in

do I want athena dash anyway

[hearty elbow]

Yes

[red mist]

got splitting bolt in tartarus, pog

[cunning urchin]

The only time you don't want to get Divine Dash is when you already have Divine Dash.

Although, having two Divine Dashes would be better than one, I guess.

Yeah, nevermind. I take it back.

[unreal bolt]

Which fist aspect do u find most attractiveness

Attractive?*

[red mist]

smoldering air pog

[viscid pawn]

If I get an attack speed increase on a slow weapon; is it a bigger increase than on an already quick weapon?

[red mist]

it's always the same%

if you're asking how the DPS math works out though, it's higher on faster weapons ofc

[viscid pawn]

No I mean

What is the % affecting

[red mist]

...ultimately attack speed is a garbage stat though

attack cooldown

[viscid pawn]

The amount of time it takes to complete the animation

Ah

[red mist]

I think?

can we get some experts in here

@cunning urchin

[sacred stirrup]

best aspect for gun?

[half crater]

eris

[red mist]

eris, not close

"75% more damage" should be all the convincing you need

[half crater]

that’s like, the one “best aspect” question that has a universal objective answer lol

[red mist]

I have to choose between piercing fire, explosive fire, ricochet fire

[sacred stirrup]

tqtq

[red mist]

which of these bad hammers is the least bad

[half crater]

ricochet... maybe?

if you work it out let me know lol

[unkempt pagoda]

for what aspect, and attack boon

[unreal bolt]

Cluster bomb or triple bomb for Eris aspect?

[unkempt pagoda]

cluster

very easy to keep the boost up

(also for the possibility of rocket bomb later)

[waxen dock]

Just popping in to say after about 110 runs and getting all but one achievement I just had my first "bad" build run: gilgamesh claws and poseidon dash, everytime you dash you push the enemy away so you can't dash-upper ^^

It was very funny

[barren otter]

yeah, poseidon is very bad on fists, because of their short range.

[red mist]

UC is making sell smoldering air, aphro aid or splitting bolt

can I get an F

I suppose I should sell aphro aid

ey I got epic aid back

[rare kayak]

nice

smoldering aphro is one of my favs

[winged grove]

gilga fist are cool but it hurts my hand whenever I try using it

dash + special is some awkward control spacing on hand

[red mist]

ugh I died

to hades

got spoiled by my 5 dash runs

didn't know what to do on 2 dashes

[winged grove]

meanwhile i'm used to 1 dash now

[red mist]

wowza

[winged grove]

1 dash ruthless is fun but not possible to beat game at EM4

unless you become shroud of hades and know how to dodge each spin attack of final boss

[grim dune]

dash + special is some awkward control spacing on hand
@winged grove on controller I ended up switching cast and special so both attack and dash were adjacent to dash, it really helps with gilgamesh but also with any fist, and a few other weapons can do some kinda dash+special semi-combo, honestly now I got used to it it feels like a superior button layout

[cunning urchin]

Single-dash EM4 sounds alright.

[grim dune]

my biggest problem with single dash Hades is that the sound cue for his big swing attack is so early

so I always get baited and dash when I hear it

[rare kayak]

i swap special and cast

on mkb

so special right click and cast q

probably contributes to why i dont cast very often

[cunning urchin]

Practice, practice, practice.

[grim dune]

tbh I usually only cast when I have a delivery mechanism (Hera or Beowulf) In general I feel like cast is much harder to focus your build around reliably than attacks

[honest edge]

I also swap special and cast because it feels really awkward to do special with q when i use mkb

[grim dune]

even cast builds where I get a lot of the synergies I want still feel really bad if I don't get the cast speed from Hermes

[rare kayak]

you should cast more often its pretty high base damage and triggers blood and also can interrupt

also i dont like zeus cast because it always bounces

cant blood right

admittedly i run stygian soul because i dont like having to chase after ammo

which is annoying with ravenous sometimes lol

[grim dune]

yeah I tend to feel Stygian is better, though it does rely more heavily on getting Arty legendary and/or chaos extra cast ammo

[thorny dirge]

you can use dash to cancel casts if you're trying to chain multiple together

i like zeus cuz it's kind of perfect (multiple targets, lodges) except for low damage

which poseidon/achilles fixes

[grim dune]

my favourite cast is definitely trippy fog

good synergies, great damage, great area. Hard to aim if it isn't being delivered by shield or arrow tho, especially on controller.

I quite like Artemis's one too for the huge crits.

(and ignoring shields!)

[frosty jolt]

Question (sorry it probably gets asked a lot): is cursed slash (the healing hammer upgrade) ever a good idea to take on 4th sword aspect?

[stuck elbow]

Generally I wouldn’t, like cursed slash gets mileage because Stygius’s other aspects are so fast

[frosty jolt]

Yeah, it's usually instapick if I'm on another aspect, but the swings are so slooow

[unkempt pagoda]

if you swing into crowds, you get a bunch of hp back

that's about the only use

[frosty jolt]

I feel like I would lose out against bosses

I think I'll avoid

Cheers!

[leaden prism]

is nemesis better with aphro attack, or artemis attack?

[thorny dirge]

i would think aphro because you get crit chance inherently

[unkempt pagoda]

aphro

[thorny dirge]

that's what i run anyway

[red mist]

Interesting

[unkempt pagoda]

30% is already much more than artemis attack gives, so might as well capitalize on it with the highest attack modifier in the game

[stuck elbow]

Yeah

Aphro attack, nab some Artemis stuff and gun for the duo

[quasi folio]

i assume for arthur aspect artemis is the way to go just crit and what not?

[thorny dirge]

i do that because i want to hit 5K with heart rend

but athena works because slow projectiles

and aphro works for more damage reduction

[wet rivet]

does pom blossom work in styx or is it like plume and bfly?

[burnt plume]

Pom blossom is great in styx

considering you usually have to run at least 15 or so encounters, that's a few random level ups before reaching the boss

[wet rivet]

coolcoolcool

[untold iris]

wait I didnt realize how broken smoldering air was

it doesnt even really matter what build you have you can just spam call a bunch and win

[opal lodge]

yep

for extra brokenness you can sell your call and go sigil for budget eris

and add billowing strength

or just run it on eris and watch things did

[untold iris]

I had level 4 dio call, billowing strength, and the hermes thing that gives dodge chance when using call

most of my damage was just spamming call to keep up poison stacks

and then running around dash attacking when I had the opportunity to do so

[hearty elbow]

To be fair that's just Dio's Call in general lol, but yes, Smoldering Air + anything isn't Demeter, Ares, or Artemis is excellent, and probably one of the best things you can be doing in the game.

Aphrodite's Aid was the biggest surprise to me. With some levels you can nearly permastun bosses

Even without levels you can just stun them for a second or so every 5 seconds, which resets their animation back to neutral too.

[marsh pumice]

Great Call > Smoldering Air is so overrated

[turbid needle]

I've even had an Artemis' Aid run with Smouldering Air be good supplementary DPS with some backstab boosting.

Greater Calls are worth using but I think I'd rather have Smouldering Air every time.

[worn crypt]

Does Athena's exposed debuff actually need to deflect something to work? I feel like yes, like I can't just Athena dash through an enemy to expose them.

[turbid needle]

No.

Hit them with an attack that can Deflect and they will get the Status Curse.

Think Merciful End, not Deadly Reversal.

[worn crypt]

Huh. That's so good. Why have I not been taking that when I have Athena dash.

[opal lodge]

exposed + parting shot time

[turbid needle]

Backstabs are NUTS.

[brisk trench]

Is that the one that unlocks athena's legendary or is that reversal?

[hearty elbow]

Riposte unlocks the legendary

For some reason.

It is... insanely arbitrary

[brisk trench]

That is weird

[hearty elbow]

It's one of the best legendaries though so I understand gating it behind something weird. I take Athena pretty much every single run no matter what and I don't think I have more than like 5 victory screens with Divine Protection.

[opal lodge]

a lot of athenas stuff is insanely arbitrary lol

i guess DR and ME are gated to not be broken

[hearty elbow]

Probably less than that honestly.

They were very recently nerfed to not just be free

Having Divine Dash + your best attack boon should not be sufficient license to get 20% global crit or Merciful End lol.

[opal lodge]

LOL

makes sense

[worn crypt]

I am just thinking about how I likely would've beaten all of my run attempts yesterday if I had taken exposed. Massive backstab damage and free privileged status. aaaaaAAAAAH

[hearty elbow]

I picked PS for the first time in months a couple of days ago lol. Testing Hangover duo builds on Chiron.

[brisk trench]

Hangover duo plus PS is spicy meme

[worn crypt]

I had been running it yesterday but switched for FF because PS didn't feel consistent enough. Exposed + Jolted would've made it ez tho

[brisk trench]

Did it end up being good? Beyond baseline chiron good, I mean.

[hearty elbow]

I'm still not necessarily certain it's correct to take PS on the Curse of Nausea version, but it's great on Low Tolerance.

[opal lodge]

@hearty elbow do you take PS on chaos? it feels pretty easy to get two statuses by asphodel but im not sure if early game suffers too much

[hearty elbow]

I wouldn't call it "good" per se unless you're specifically running Jury Summons 3, in which case you can always have multiple targets to spread Hangover on. Otherwise, Deadly/Heartbreak Flourish is going to outdamage it pretty hard.

Hangover lets you run JS3 at the expense of boss kill speed.

I take PS on basically nothing except for Hangover builds.

as in, I am starting Drunken x.

[brisk trench]

Wouldn't chill last long enough for it to matter as well?

[untold iris]

how is PS not good if you're going heartbreak flourish?

any status on attack triggers PS with heartbreak flourish

[brisk trench]

Or is chill meme tier at high heat?

[hearty elbow]

Chill is great for PS, but I don't ever take her keepsake and Demeter is typically best to be avoided on APx CF2 UC

[brisk trench]

Ah a shame. I usually have a lot of fun with her boons

[hearty elbow]

The issue is mostly that she has 2 tier 1 unsellables, and a decent number of stinker boons

And nothing like Poseidon's Aid as a big payoff for the risk.

[brisk trench]

I know harvest is unsellable, whats the other one? The Healing one?

[red mist]

I have yet to ever see divine protection

Peels bad

[untold iris]

i think its rare crop + nourishing soul?

[brisk trench]

Rare crop thats its name

I keep calling it rare harvest in my brain

[opal lodge]

r a r e c r o p

[hearty elbow]

Tier 1 is Rare crop and nourishing soul, yeah

[opal lodge]

when you get rare crop and only have one boon

pog

[hearty elbow]

https://imgur.com/9SkUA0x

[brisk trench]

I mostly just think her cast is a lot of fun but I hate the way her and aphrodite's duo plays so its always yuk

[untold iris]

demeter cast is so bad imo

unless you're specifically going hard into it

losing boiling blood is yikes on most builds

[opal lodge]

pain

[brisk trench]

Its not about the goodness

Its about the meme potential

[opal lodge]

i honestly dont notice boiling blood most of the time

[thorny dirge]

it's somewhat saved by demeter/artemis duo being busted

like kill em4 easy busted

[opal lodge]

maybe i should get used to casting at the beginning of fights or during invincibility phases

[thorny dirge]

but yeah you gotta live with it pre-duo LOL

[untold iris]

i just occasionally throw out the cast when I notice the boss doesnt have one inside him

[brisk trench]

I literally never have boiling blood on anymore cause I like the 25% speed reduction

[hearty elbow]

Achilles + Crystal Clarity + Glacial Glare with Stygian Soul is bae

That's... so many boons required lmao

[thorny dirge]

i like comparing it to ME except without ares attack to carry early\

[worn crypt]

Honestly after trying both rift blade and crystal with artemis duos, I like rift blade more

[brisk trench]

I know why boiling blood is preferred by a lot of people but Im bad at the game, and I always win if I dont die 4head

[hearty elbow]

Oh I don't doubt it, especially with Vicious Cycle

[opal lodge]

yeah so many boons

[worn crypt]

I've also never seen a god gauge fill up as fast as multiple rift blades on an em4 doomstone who won't stop popping out skulls

[opal lodge]

and probably also want a chaos stone too

[hearty elbow]

But something very satisfying as the damage multipliers from Glacial Glare poms, from Hermes' bloodstone regen boon, extra bloodstones, etc.

[brisk trench]

I have a lot more trouble aiming and getting consistent damage with rift tbh

[opal lodge]

thats what hunting blades is for

[untold iris]

actually I dont really do much cast builds

whats the most reliable way to build poseidon blade?

[hearty elbow]

I don't either lol, when I do I'm looking to meme hard and fast

[untold iris]

do I start with flood shot?

[brisk trench]

Well, except when I see trippy shot

[hearty elbow]

I like Crush Shot for Poseidon

[brisk trench]

Then its cast build all the way home boys

[untold iris]

wait why crush shot

[hearty elbow]

Big damage

[untold iris]

but short range!

[hearty elbow]

You have to be in that range to dislodge anyway

[brisk trench]

But youre stabbing them anyway

[opal lodge]

i love poseidon on poseidon

[thorny dirge]

your regular combo becomes special>cast>dash-cancel vs special>dash-strike for regular sword

[opal lodge]

for that free mirage shot in tartarus

[thorny dirge]

so whatever works for that

[opal lodge]

if you see artemis

[hearty elbow]

Poseidon has nifty cast duos, yeah

[untold iris]

yeah I was thinking if I start flood shot I can go into either demeter or artemis for their duos

[opal lodge]

also poseidon has a lot of nice things to supplement his damage if you dont get like 10 poms

[cloud barn]

Poseidon/ares cast duo is fun

Especially with fists

[hearty elbow]

Curse of Drowning on Achilles is very lol-worthy

[untold iris]

i never really got into curse of drowning

[brisk trench]

Its so bad, I love it

[untold iris]

it didnt seem super exciting when I had it the one time, though maybe I just didnt have a good build

[hearty elbow]

I haven't tried it after they nerfed it slightly

I assume it's still basically as good

[opal lodge]

curse of drowning beowulf

[cloud barn]

On fists it's just insane damage for essentially free

[brisk trench]

Are blizz shot and curse mutually exclusive?

[opal lodge]

yes lol

[cloud barn]

One cast and just go back to holding m1 on the enemy

[brisk trench]

If only

[opal lodge]

that would be quite something

[brisk trench]

Devs dont believe in fun smh

[untold iris]

also am I supposed to take fiery presence on poseidon sword?

[brisk trench]

||jk this game is p great||

[untold iris]

i've basically never switched off of the backstab damage

[hearty elbow]

No, you could randomly end up with Parting Shot, especially if you're on Crush Shot lol

[untold iris]

but what if I want to be on flood shot

[opal lodge]

parting shot 👌

[hearty elbow]

Imagine nerfing Fiery Presence lmao.

[untold iris]

its buffed though

in the last patch

[opal lodge]

i think

[hearty elbow]

They bug fixed it then reduced the number from 100 to 75 after "buffing" it to 100 but not actually buffing it

[thorny dirge]

it read 100% but only did 50% iirc

[untold iris]

it used to say 100% but actually give 50% in game, now it says 75% and gives 75%

[opal lodge]

with any cast build i usually end up with art, athena, pos, and aphro as my first four gods anyway

that way no matter what you'll either get an actually good duo or unshakeable mettle

[hearty elbow]

It was basically my reaction when Hunter Dash was nerfed but Divine untouched.

[opal lodge]

how would they even nerf DD

just like

decreased I frames?

[hearty elbow]

Mettle is one of the best duos

It's very unpopular, but people are very wrong lol.

[opal lodge]

I don't rate it but i also have not ventured above 40+ heat

[hearty elbow]

All damage stuns, it also stops ministuns

So e.g. Soulcatchers, Chariots, Greatbows

[opal lodge]

maybe i get stunned more than i think

[thorny dirge]

would you sell it for UC though given the choice

[untold iris]

i hate chariots with a burning passion

[opal lodge]

speeder slugger chariots :^)

[untold iris]

they do so much damage and I randomly get hit by them so often

[hearty elbow]

Shifter + Speeder is the best

triggered

[untold iris]

they also have a ton of HP, it feels like

[opal lodge]

teleports behind you
zag: NANI

[ivory raft]

hey i'm playing and i have Ares Cast + AresDemeter Duo,
i just got an option to switch to Artemis cast.. what happens to the previous duo?

does it just disappear or what

[opal lodge]

yes

[cloud barn]

I love unshakable mettle

[ivory raft]

;-;

[cloud barn]

Because Excalibur

[hearty elbow]

It doesn't disappear, it just stops working

You still have the duo

[hasty bison]

Does destroying spooky vases stop Hades healing channel or do you just whale on him to undo as much as you can? I don't understand how it works

[cunning urchin]

The only result of nerfing Hunter Dash is that the question "Do I get Hunter Dash for damage or Divine Dash for safety?" is no longer an actual question.

[untold iris]

I would just attack hades

[cloud barn]

Should I bring back the video

[hearty elbow]

I don't even think Divine Dash should be nerfed, it was just like Level 100 troll to nerf another dash, versus buffing all of the other ones.

[cloud barn]

https://imgur.com/a/WBBqAG7

Attack :)

[hasty bison]

So the vases breaking as he heals is just for visual effect?

[cloud barn]

No clue

I just attack either way

[hearty elbow]

Look how battle angry you are

[cloud barn]

Also the vase AoE still does damage

[hearty elbow]

Grrr

[cloud barn]

Grrr

Lol i got an ares boon of things I didn't want, so I took that because it would actually appear

As I wouldn't use the other things xD

Now that I think about it, does it stack?

[opal lodge]

companion shady

[hearty elbow]

Battle Rage? No

[cloud barn]

Ok cool

I'm imagining oneshotting phase 3 hades with Excalibur

Would be neat but too stronk

[grim dune]

does hoarding slash increase base damage or just add the number on top as a separate amount?

[untold iris]

hoarding slash bad

it doesnt scale with anything

[cloud barn]

Separate

[grim dune]

oof bad then

[cloud barn]

Also no it isn't bad

https://imgur.com/a/a4e77cI

Just have money :)

It doesn't scale with buffs to you but it does scale with debuffs to them

[opal lodge]

@grim dune it's not actively bad like cursed slash but it isn't the best hammer you could be getting

[cloud barn]

Cursed slash gud tho :<

[opal lodge]

"hello, i would like the GY high confidence experience with none of the perks"

[hearty elbow]

it doesnt scale with anything
@untold iris It scales with not being an actively build ruining Sword hammer

Which for Sword hammers puts it in B tier

[opal lodge]

says a lot about sword hammers lol

[hearty elbow]

Yep

[gleaming current]

It also scales with deadly strike

[opal lodge]

i feel like dash nova still has a ton of visual glitches

like if you try to do a dash special sometimes it wigs out before putting you in the right place

[hearty elbow]

At least I don't need Dramamine to take that hammer anymore

[willow fossil]

Is 500 for the last hermes worth it?

[hearty elbow]

Depends on what you're looking for? Typically yes

[cunning urchin]

It is if you don't have Greatest Reflex.

[untold iris]

how many sword hammers are actively build ruining?
cursed slash, dash nova, maybe world splitter?

thats all I can think of

[cunning urchin]

Dash Nova is good.

[opal lodge]

is the last hermes a guaranteed rare

[willow fossil]

I hate greater reflex, anyway so is guaranteed to have rare/epic right?

[cunning urchin]

World Splitter doesn't matter.

[opal lodge]

hate greater reflec

hmm

[untold iris]

im not a big fan of dash nova, I always mess it up because I just want to special in place

and it sends me flying into a bunch of enemies, or into lava, or whatever

[cunning urchin]

lol just gotta practice with it.

[opal lodge]

i mean its the same as just doing dash + special except you're also sturdy and dont have to use a dash

[cunning urchin]

It's like a free dash.

Also gets you out of situations when your dash is on cooldown.

[hearty elbow]

For aspects like Nemesis where dashes = DPS it's very very good

[willow fossil]

Yeah since is 500 is guaranteed to have better boons in guessing

[hearty elbow]

It's the only time you're capable of buying Hermes, so 500 is just its canonical price.

[opal lodge]

or surprisingly for ME having greater reflex can like double your dps

[untold iris]

you can buy hermes in regular shops

[proven osprey]

Dash is life

[willow fossil]

I get hermes in the first store a lot

[proven osprey]

Magma is not

[untold iris]

they cost as much as regular boons in charon shops

[willow fossil]

^

[cunning urchin]

I'm pretty sure it's not guaranteed to give rares.

[willow fossil]

150

[hearty elbow]

Really? Huh. I can't remember the last time I've done that.

[willow fossil]

So 500 instead of the regular 450 is kinda odd

[opal lodge]

thats some CF2 energy leaking out from #h1-high-heat-strategies

[untold iris]

if you dont have two hermes boons yet you can find them in regular shops

[willow fossil]

And they cost the same, not extra

[cunning urchin]

It's 500 because it's the only way to get a third boon from him.

[willow fossil]

Makes sense

[proven osprey]

So Hermes run is impossible

[willow fossil]

Yeh

Hes not really a build God, just to augment stuff

[cunning urchin]

Spending 500 made more sense when his boon pool was smaller.

[opal lodge]

hermes, god of messengers, traders and casters

hermes makes cast builds feel so much more smooth

[cloud barn]

Hermès has no boons that take up a slot

So Hermès only runs would be miserable

[willow fossil]

He takes a slot in ny heart

[untold iris]

just use shackle

[willow fossil]

[cloud barn]

No :)

[proven osprey]

Hey

I'm kidding

[willow fossil]

Except when ap gives me greatest reflex, ez money

Only boon I hate from him

At least make it epic so is worth a lot

[cunning urchin]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[hearty elbow]

I feel like you're just being contrary at this point lol.

[willow fossil]

?

[cunning urchin]

Yeah lol.

[willow fossil]

Why

[hearty elbow]

It will never hurt to have dashes even if you don't want to use them.

[willow fossil]

But if I dont use them, why not make a buck for it

[cloud barn]

Greatest reflex is ones of hermes' best boons

Lmao

[opal lodge]

how is it actively bad though explain

an actual explanation or ur cappin

[willow fossil]

Isnt bad, I dont LIKE*IT

[hearty elbow]

We've already gone over this, I've accepted he hates dashes.

[thorny dirge]

is that why dio's dash is so bad

[untold iris]

i feel like I really notice when I have 3 dashes vs when I don't
the 4th dash is sometimes noticeable
but I don't really feel like there is much difference between having 4 dashes and having 5 dashes

overall I think the only really important one for me is going from 2 dashes to 3

[opal lodge]

you mean you dont go gilgamesh for 7 dash nonsense

[untold iris]

anything above that is nice to have but not super necessary

[willow fossil]

Only boon I hate from him
Is purely my preference, just me not, is not bad

[cunning urchin]

5 dashes vs 4 is huge at high heat.

[proven osprey]

One day I'll build only Aphro. The ultimate pink dude build

[hearty elbow]

overall I think the only really important one for me is going from 2 dashes to 3
@untold iris I kind of agree with this, but that just makes Greatest Reflexes better. Any rarity is fantastic.

[untold iris]

yeah, even common greatest reflexes is really good

[hearty elbow]

Divine Dash + Epic Greatest Reflexes lets you ignore a lot of game mechanics totally

[untold iris]

just because the first few dashes are so important

[cunning urchin]

@proven osprey gotta go with Lucifer Aspect for pink lasers.

[opal lodge]

what does having 5 dashes matter for vs 4 at high heat

i functionally dont see a difference but ive only played up to 36 so

[thorny dirge]

only aphro sounds like you should be going arthur for bass cannon cosplay

or beowulf for wall cosplay

[hearty elbow]

You don't have to look at it on the margin like that because you're never offered 4 vs. 5 dashes on a margin

They're always the same choice

[proven osprey]

@proven osprey gotta go with Lucifer Aspect for pink lasers.
@cunning urchin nice idea

[opal lodge]

@hearty elbow thats fair, i was mostly asking bc nyaanyaa said it was a noticeable diff

[hearty elbow]

Nemesis Aspect is the best example I can think of

[cunning urchin]

Have you ever been chased by a JS3 army of CP2 DC2 HL5 FO2 Speeder + whatever Slam-Dancers in a trial at 50+? lol

You'll want all the dashes you can get.

[hearty elbow]

Since you want 1 dash for safety, 4->5 dashes is effectively 33% damage increase

Same with Merciful End.

[opal lodge]

@cunning urchin i can honestly say no so that makes sense

yeah merciful end more dashes = more red so i get that

[hearty elbow]

But for general utility it's not very common I'll notice a serious difference between 4 and 5, no. Very rarely will I think, when I have 4 "if only I had one more," but it happens from time to time at very high heat.

[cunning urchin]

+1 can make the difference between escaping death and escaping death but also getting to actually attack.

[hearty elbow]

3->4 is huge though, that comes up really often, especially on Bow

Where one of your dashes is your attack

[cunning urchin]

I'd say the difference between 4 and 5 is also huge. You can position yourself wherever you want. That's huge. 4 doesn't give you the same freedom.

[hearty elbow]

5 lets you do dumb things like blow your Divine Dashes to explode all of the urns at the same time with Dad lol

[cunning urchin]

That's also huge and true lol.

[opal lodge]

trueeee

[marsh pumice]

Imagine 100 dashes, just take poseidon dash and Slam forever

[opal lodge]

Yeah havent purposely exploded urns since my first runs

[hearty elbow]

EM4 makes it... very necessary. I never used to bother doing it on purpose either

But they spawn continuously instead of just during his spawn attack

[opal lodge]

mmm havent done EM4 on a high enough heat to notice yet so thats good to know

[cunning urchin]

Speaking of that, I don't know if I'm going to bother with any more RI3 EM4 FO2 practice for now. It's frustrating. I don't even have HL5 or whatever and the fight is no fun lol.

[hearty elbow]

Just another in a long list of reasons why melee weapons are terrible at that fight lol

[cunning urchin]

I've been using Hestia for practice lol.

[willow fossil]

Man the thing i love about em4 is how he gains a spear rush

[cunning urchin]

You dash to evade a Skull-Crusher while he's invisible, and he just immediately throws a spear at you from out of nowhere. There's nothing to do there but get hit lol.

[hearty elbow]

Lol, tbf no one asked you to try it with 1 dash

[willow fossil]

?

[hearty elbow]

Was responding to @cunning urchin, she's practicing RI3 EM4 FO2

[cunning urchin]

That spear throw is so annoying. You dodge his skull cast, and your dash just barely recovers (hopefully) to i-frame a spear throw if he goes for that lol.

[hearty elbow]

I would only ever bother with RI3 EM4 with a shield.

[cunning urchin]

I've been looking for my DPS with RI3 Beowulf in 1.0 tbh. Can't find it.

[hearty elbow]

It's in Blood Price.

[cunning urchin]

I'll just watch my 52 on loop while crying.

Why let go of the past when you have old recordings of better days.

[hearty elbow]

That's the spirit

[next moss]

uuuuh so

TIL that the borrow ||fight against Charon kinda punishes you for having a blade rift build||

[opal lodge]

this is a spoiler channel i think

[ruby tundra]

So uh

[next moss]

||ok||

[ruby tundra]

I now love Lucifer

[opal lodge]

lol

[next moss]

but yeah

blade rifts

[ruby tundra]

In a Demeter caster build with Stygian Soul holy crap

[next moss]

in the erebus fight

is "lol nope"

the crystals just stay out of range

[ruby tundra]

I had a horribly unlucky run but it still was nuts

[cunning urchin]

How does he punish you for having a Blade Rift build?

[ruby tundra]

I didn't realize crystal beam blew up the bombs

[next moss]

nyaan

the crystals just stay outside of the arena

and you have to wait for the auto cooldown which is what, 15 seconds

[ruby tundra]

Ah I haven't done Erebus

[gleaming current]

funny bloodstones go bye bye

[cunning urchin]

Blade Rift builds default to Stygian Soul to not have to deal with anything like that.

[gleaming current]

Not a big surprise

[next moss]

this wasn't a planned blade rift build, but point taken

[ruby tundra]

Stygian Soul is good times

[next moss]

this is actually getting quite sad

like

[ruby tundra]

... Except in a run where you see literally zero Chaos

[next moss]

i'm heat 7-8 on weapons

EM3 is now a staple in my runs

ive faced hades without taking damage

but i never defeated charon

even once

[opal lodge]

hmm

have you tried not getting hit

-hypnos

[next moss]

😮

😦 no i didnt

[ruby tundra]

I wish I wasn't like actually terrible at this game, but it's still fun

[cunning urchin]

Use Hestia. That fight was kinda free earlier. He hit me once, and I've like no practice in the fight.

[ruby tundra]

90+ runs in and I still suck at reading telegraphed moves

[next moss]

oh i do have hestia

[cunning urchin]

Hestia makes every boss fight free except EM4 lol.

Maybe with 2 dashes it's free, too.

[next moss]

i dont like hesrtia that much tbh

maybe its being on the switch

[small stirrup]

Practicing RI 3?

[next moss]

but the reload button is so clunky

[hearty elbow]

Rebind it

[opal lodge]

Routine inspection 3

[cunning urchin]

Not anymore. I was practicing earlier.

[small stirrup]

Ahhh

Too hard?

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, I have reload on LB on my Xbox One pad.

RI3 FO2 EM4 is stupid lol.

[next moss]

hmm i'll try this ok

[opal lodge]

does anyone know if theres individual binds for weapons

[cunning urchin]

There isn't.

[opal lodge]

cuz i would love to have different eris binds

sad

[small stirrup]

I can't tell if you just like challenges or you're just a masochist at this point Nyaan...

Maybe a bit of both

[cunning urchin]

I just rebind when I use certain weapons.

Nyaanyaa.

[opal lodge]

i kind of hate having to always reload while moving left

[next moss]

ok i'll go for a charon run

hestia

[cunning urchin]

Is it leveled up?

[next moss]

yes

[cunning urchin]

Go for Heartbreak Strike.

[next moss]

funny you say that

aphrodite is floor 1

eh

common rarity

whatever

[cunning urchin]

That's fine.

Just keep putting poms on it. All the build you need lol.

[deep needle]

does dionysus on attack stack with hera bow casts?

[cunning urchin]

Well, also Divine Dash because why not.

[opal lodge]

why do these chariots have such a small turning radius im mad

[next moss]

oh ok

i do have the pom keepsake

[deep needle]

so 4 procs of dio from basic attack + 3 casts attached in hera?

or the only way to proc dio 3x would be to have ffestive lob

[cunning urchin]

I'd take the Owl Pendant into Asphodel for Divine Dash, though. Helps deal with his oar swings.

And just . . . generally helps with everything lol.

Can't Deflect the purple waves, though. Just the oar swings. Makes it a bit easier to dodge them, though.

[next moss]

is there somewhere a list of boons that cant be upgraded

i'll go full heartbreak strike and i want only that boon to be pom-able

[cunning urchin]

Not really. But even just getting to Lv.5 or something will do plenty of damage.

[willow fossil]

Yeh, poms have diminishing returns

So the more you upgrade something, the less value the pom has

[next moss]

mhm

its level 6 before furies

we agree that we cant borrow in the shops right before bosses

right

[cunning urchin]

If by agree you mean know, yes lol.

[next moss]

it was asking for confirmation c:

ok

ok this is stupid

[cunning urchin]

?

[next moss]

tis fight lasted 30 seconds with no dmg

[cunning urchin]

That's what I told you lol.

[next moss]

second charon with no borrow :c

[cunning urchin]

You'll get him sometime. He can't run from you forever.

He's scared.

You're coming with a sniper rifle trying to take his lunch money. I'd be scared, too.

[next moss]

3rd 😭

on another note this build is just so broken its amazing

i have athena call and epic hermes call jauge auto

and 350 hp

GIVE ME CHARON LMAO

hestia is very good after rebinding the reload key

[opal lodge]

was anyone gonna tell me that one pom almost doubles athena call or was i just supposed to figure that out myself

[next moss]

and no charon

rip

[worn crypt]

Bruh. Pom scaling on Athena call is absurd

[next moss]

let's blow up a masked loudmouth to celebrate

[cunning urchin]

But you got some practice in with Hestia. Yay.

You'll find him next time.

[next moss]

im actually sad i chose to play it safe and take out calisthenics

so this run doesnt even count towards my heat

[void fjord]

i wld love to bind the reload key and attack on the same key for hestia

as u shoot, reload

[glass kelp]

Can anyone explain to me how Merciful End actually works? It's the second time I planned a build around it and after I get it I realize it doesn't work how I thought it did

I wanted a rail build with doom on special and athena attack, I thought each shot would proc it but lo and behold it doesn't

[next moss]

i actually died in that run where i had hestia lv9 heartbreak strike and athena call/call autofill epic

zagreus tried to hug a bear

rip

[cunning urchin]

[thorny dirge]

@glass kelp it procs the one instance of doom and then you need to reapply it

so think doom on attack, deflect on dash

and dash-strike through them

[glass kelp]

well that sucks then

not as versatile as I wanted it to be

[cunning urchin]

You apply Doom to an enemy, and then if you attack with something that has Deflect, the Doom procs immediately and you get an extra 40 damage.

It's easily the strongest combo on melee aspects.

[opal lodge]

versatile maybe no, powerful, definitely

[void fjord]

however due to its recent nerf you need athena strike or flourish, with ares attack or flourish. Athena dash wont help towards the duo

athena dash is very useful if u get it tho with ME

[cunning urchin]

Curse of Agony + Divine Flourish to get the requirements for Merciful End and then Divine Dash to proc ME any time you Dash-Strike.

[fair plinth]

question - I have ares blade rift cast, and just got offered athena/aphrodite's duo boon parting shot, which grants bonus backstab damage to my cast

can blade rift even backstab?

[void fjord]

most common demeter Fists build i think

maybe with the duo

[fair plinth]

if it can, it would be sick since I also have blinding flash

[cunning urchin]

I'm actually not happy about that nerf. It makes no sense. Nobody plays ME like that. You have to get Divine Flourish exclusively for ME now, but you'll never use your Special to proc ME.

[void fjord]

since the duo allows casts to do backstab dmg if im not mistaken

[thorny dirge]

i think its purpose was strictly as a nerf, it means you gotta go out of your way to get ME

[void fjord]

i sont think anyone is @cunning urchin, but tbh it was the easiest instantly broken duo boon to get if had decent rng in ur first 2 gods

lol my grammar is non existant

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, but instead of balancing it, it just pushes anyone not Lady Athena even more out of the meta.

There was some variety for what people put on Special before.

Now it's just Divine Flourish.

[opal lodge]

what did people used to put

deadly flourish?

heartbreak?

[thorny dirge]

whatever you wanted honestly

[void fjord]

either one of those two i think, atleast on demeter aspect

[thorny dirge]

which is the point

[cunning urchin]

Deadly Flourish, Heartbreak Flourish, sometimes Frost Flourish or Divine Flourish.

[opal lodge]

tough

yeah i can imagine having deadly flourish and getting an ez ME/DR would have been nice

[void fjord]

yep, with dire misfortune

[cunning urchin]

Removing the extra damage on ME would have brought some balance, for once.

It's probably not even actually more difficult to get ME now because Dark Foresight gives you sooo many boons lol.

High heat is so much easier in 1.0 because of Dark Foresight.

[reef galleon]

Did they do something to the zeus shield on 1.0?

[cunning urchin]

I don't think so.

[reef galleon]

I guess it was just my initial experience then (miserable)

[cunning urchin]

• Shield of Chaos (Zeus Aspect): increased damage radius of Throw special

[reef galleon]

ah so it works now

[cunning urchin]

increased self-damage when catching the shield

[reef galleon]

what does that mean

sounds like I should be damaging myself when catching the shield

[cunning urchin]

You should, yes.

That was a bug at one point in Early Access. Catching your shield would deal boon damage to you.

It's not an actual quote from the patch notes lol.

[thorny dirge]

self-damage revenge build when

[grim dune]

I've heard a lot of praise for dark foresight, why is it considered so strong?

[cunning urchin]

Because it gives you +20% gold laurel rewards over blue laurel rewards.

And you get to choose, so you can just pick boons every time and get way more than +20% boons.

[grim dune]

I suppose I think that mm... getting 40% higher tier boons is good and also recently I've been trying to go for narrower more pommed builds instead of ending up with ALL THE BOONS,

though I appreciate that on high heat you need at least one per zone to throw away too

[gleaming current]

You don't exactly need rare bonus because minibosses guarantee a rare boon and gods' keepsakes help with that too

But having more chances to get a boon of dream (as well as a decent rarity on it)... mmm yum

[grim dune]

fair

[gleaming current]

Besides, you can keep the 20% epic mirror perk

[grim dune]

yeah

I just hate seeing common boons 😛 Always feel sad when I see something I want but it's not fancy

[gleaming current]

Well, it does take a little getting used to, that's for sure

[proven osprey]

Always common

I cry a lot

but it's k

[opal lodge]

more boons is better than less boons

[proven osprey]

Quick maths

[grim dune]

but good boons better than bad boons

[proven osprey]

Only bad players get bad boons

[grim dune]

.... oh ☹️

[proven osprey]

it's ok mate

[limber flax]

https://imgur.com/eZXM2A0

[proven osprey]

we'll get better eventually

[limber flax]

uhhhhm

what would you take

1 or 2

[proven osprey]

I like 1

what are you playing ?

[limber flax]

nemesis

[cunning urchin]

Ambush.

[proven osprey]

then 1 for sure

[limber flax]

okay

[grim dune]

I'd go for 2 but I'm terrible at consistently backstabbing in the chaos

[cunning urchin]

Not getting cash for 4 counters is gonna hurt your DPS, too.

[grim dune]

that's true, no cash is one of the worst penalties imo

[proven osprey]

that's an opportunity to clarify something

bonus attack on chaos won't affect dash strike right ?

[cunning urchin]

They'll buff Dash-Strikes, too.

[opal lodge]

anyone know how the game calculates backstab

[proven osprey]

wait a minute

[opal lodge]

is it just anything in the 180 degree area behind

[cunning urchin]

Backstab damage is additive.

[limber flax]

can you run nemesis effectively without artemis attack?

[proven osprey]

how high am I

[opal lodge]

or is it like a cone

[cunning urchin]

https://hades.gamepedia.com/Damage_Calculation

[limber flax]

i got offered epic athena attack

[opal lodge]

i mean positioning wise not damage calc wise

[limber flax]

idk if i should take that or hope for artemis later

[cunning urchin]

Deadly Strike is the go-to pick for high heat for Nemesis.

Er.

Divine Strike.*

It's late here.

[limber flax]

divine?

[proven osprey]

sure buddy, arte is not mandatory at all

[limber flax]

okay nice

it seemed like artemis is the main way to go on artemis

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, Divine Strike + Divine Dash. Try to get Deadly Flourish for Deadly Reversal.

[proven osprey]

Ok

[limber flax]

deadly flourish is artemis special?

[proven osprey]

So there is a chaos boon that empowers your dash attack too

[cunning urchin]

Yes.

[limber flax]

i got offered that and didnt take it lol

how is it good

i want to get aphro for special tbh

high scaling

[proven osprey]

oh yeah

[cunning urchin]

Deadly Flourish unlocks Deadly Reversal.

[proven osprey]

so to compensate that the dash strike buff is stronger than the attack one

[cunning urchin]

That's their Duo Boon.

[limber flax]

oohhh

i see

[cunning urchin]

+20% crit chance for a couple seconds any time you Deflect.

[limber flax]

oh damnn

thats nice

[proven osprey]

so divine strike

means you can take that hunter (?) dash right ?

it's hunter, yup

Nya, do you run SD only at LC 4 ?

[cunning urchin]

Depends on how confident I am that I can no-hit the run up to Hades.

Usually, yes.

[proven osprey]

oh I see

then Than keepsake for life

[limber flax]

uhm

can i upgrade an epic boon to next rarity?

cause legendery are normally different boons

[proven osprey]

Yup, it becomes heroic

[limber flax]

ah okay

[proven osprey]

only possible through few ways so

[limber flax]

nice

[proven osprey]

Eurydice, exchange boon and rare crop I believe ?

[limber flax]

i have heroic divine slash and deadly flourish now

heroic deadly flourish*

[proven osprey]

I'm actually helping

[limber flax]

🙏

[proven osprey]

Your PP is really nice tho

[grim dune]

the amount of acronyms in hades discord is destroying my brain

[proven osprey]

let's talk about the pact dude

I know like 3 of them

[limber flax]

wait i just realized

that blue live thing from heat

[proven osprey]

shield ?

[limber flax]

if i have battle rage and use that on many enemies for extra dmg thats useless right?

yes shield

[opal lodge]

Your PP is really nice tho
@proven osprey PHRASING

[proven osprey]

@proven osprey PHRASING
@opal lodge I KNOW

[opal lodge]

LOL

[limber flax]

damn

that sucks

[gleaming current]

The battle rage is indeed even more painful to utilize than usual

[proven osprey]

yeah

it is

[gleaming current]

However you can just shave the hearts off before triggering it

[opal lodge]

DC goes from eh not bad to worst pact ever depending on wep and aspect

[limber flax]

battle rage isnt affected by cast correct?

[proven osprey]

you speak the truth

[limber flax]

okay so

i open the shield with cast

then special for dmg

gotcha

[proven osprey]

I was talking to the nut

but yeah it only affects attack or special

[opal lodge]

https://i.imgur.com/7W6gP3o.png

[limber flax]

oh

[opal lodge]

why does this always happen when i run a cast build

what is this nonsense

[limber flax]

just dont use cast for 3 rooms

seems easy

be happy that you get one additional cast

[proven osprey]

31%

[opal lodge]

thats the one i picked

i dont really need an additional cast stone

[limber flax]

i gott say

our emotes really suck here

[opal lodge]

infernal + probably gonna get fully loaded

what are you talking about

[limber flax]

only decent one

the rest

meh

[gleaming current]

bruh

[limber flax]

okay 2

[gleaming current]

(not gonna disagree on majority obv)

[opal lodge]

i got deadly reversal and fully loaded on one roll

oh to have options

[proven osprey]

look at this beauty

[cunning urchin]

@opal lodge I'd just take the Grasp and keep casting anyway lol.

[opal lodge]

lol i did the other one and got fully loaded in the next room

lady luck favors me when i dont have AP on

[young frost]

Am i the only one with an issue about using cast like throughout my run like i will use it 4 times at max

[silk anvil]

Am i the only one with an issue about using cast like throughout my run like i will use it 4 times at max
@young frost how much time do you have in game? it's something I used to not use a whole lot of starting out, but you come to accept it (and it's otherwise free damage)

[young frost]

34 hours

but I only have 3 clears cause im not trying to win im trying to seduce Dusa by grinding runs but its not working

[proven osprey]

You have to be worthy of her

[dense crest]

hey hey

question time

[opal lodge]

meanwhile i have 6 cast stones currently and only cast

[dense crest]

should I trade my epic Deadly strike for Heroic Drunken strike? Using railgun

[opal lodge]

depends on aspect but i would

and how much youve build around crits

[dense crest]

I only have aspect of Eris

I have deadly flourish and Artemis aid for crits

I turned down bonus crit damage earlier

[still vigil]

What is considered high heat?

[opal lodge]

theres no cutoff but i guess some people say 40+

[hearty elbow]

should I trade my epic Deadly strike for Heroic Drunken strike? Using railgun
@dense crest Yeah, Drunken Strike is great on Eris, and it leaves you open to Splitting Headache

[opal lodge]

and yeah id go for the swab

swap

[hearty elbow]

What is considered high heat?
@still vigil 20, 32, and 40 are considered popular breakpoints.

[dense crest]

okay sweet thanks guys 😄

[still vigil]

Ok thank yall

[opal lodge]

is it just me or is the jump from 20-->32 harder than 32-40

[hearty elbow]

40+ is typically where we optimize for in #h1-high-heat-strategies, 32 is the skelly statue, and above 20 is a nice number.

[opal lodge]

i feel like 20-->32 was when i had to start taking pacts that made my life hard

[proven osprey]

20-32 is living hell

[still vigil]

Has anyone done 32 with fists?

[opal lodge]

a bunch of people in the high heat channel have

[hearty elbow]

20-32 kind of forces you to demonstrate a pretty good bit of proficiency. If you've demonstrated that then the jump from 32-40 is a lot less daunting.

[opal lodge]

@hearty elbow im tempted to just add lc4 and em4 for the jump

[hearty elbow]

So if you can consistently do 32 you can probably pretty easily do 40

[opal lodge]

in addition to my heat 32 stuff

[hearty elbow]

EM4 no lol that's an exercise in madness

[still vigil]

Okay! I'm currently trying to beat 32 heat with fists

[hearty elbow]

Feel free to ask questions for that in the high heat channel @still vigil

[still vigil]

owob

[opal lodge]

😦 i just dont know what else to add anymore tbh

and 4 is a big numbor

[orchid fog]

anyone else use Shield + Sudden Rush and constant dashing to just stay nearly invincible and block everything? How can I make this strategy even better?

[opal lodge]

athena dash

athena call

[orchid fog]

ohh does that one have deflect? That could rock

good call

[opal lodge]

it has deflect yeah

[willow fossil]

And iframes!

[proven osprey]

Max pom the call

25s of afk

[opal lodge]

also could pick up the hermes +30% dodge chance and move speed after call boon and extra dashes

[turbid needle]

Hey guys, what is the best boon for the aimbot bow aspect?

[proven osprey]

You mean chiron ?

[turbid needle]

The second aspect

[willow fossil]

The aimbot bow

Lmfao

[turbid needle]

I don't remember the name sorry

[proven osprey]

Artemis/Aphrodite

[willow fossil]

Chiron yes

[turbid needle]

Hearth seeking?

[proven osprey]

I like demeter too

you can never go wrong with Aphro

[turbid needle]

Ok. So it's stacks weaks on the enemy?

With the special?

[proven osprey]

well

weak is a status that makes your foes deal less dmg right

[dense crest]

rare hunters mark, or rare clean kill? I have deadly flouris and Artemis aid for crits

[proven osprey]

for 3s

so it does not "stack"

[dense crest]

plus Divine Dash and Blinding Flash

[opal lodge]

weak has a lot of things that make foes more vulnerable though

so you could take like

sweet surrender, which makes you do more damage to weak opponents

[turbid needle]

I really like the lock on mechanic of the 2nd bow aspect. So weak is a good one?

[opal lodge]

• any duo which will also increase damage

heart break strike is a good attack boon for that one

[turbid needle]

I did well with ares but the dooms work better with the default aspect

[proven osprey]

Heartbreak is good since the dmg multiplier is good

[dense crest]

https://photos.app.goo.gl/h4y5BiSNafnjVGux8

[proven osprey]

Crypt

[opal lodge]

is this chiron bow i cant tell

jk

[proven osprey]

I think you can take clean kill

[opal lodge]

i'd go 2 or 3

2 if you have pressure points already IMO

[dense crest]

@proven osprey thanks, I did 😁

[proven osprey]

oh I thought you had arte attack

[opal lodge]

yeah 2 would be good if pressure points is already selected but from what i can see it's not

its not bad though per se

[proven osprey]

yeah it's alright

Also I really like the mark

[dense crest]

just picked up Splitting Headache

[opal lodge]

nice that works