never have to melee
#h1-builds-and-combat
jaunty locust
ok, so it'll fire, hit someone, and then everyting will fire off
tawdry sleet
When you start the run and instantly get +4 special shots hammer 
lethal chasm
99% sure
jaunty locust
I do have to chase 'em down
okay I have aphrodite cast but maybe I should get the aphrodite attack since that feels like great synergy
jaunty locust
I mean, it hits real hard, so that's the bonus
opal lodge
aphro cast on beo shield is the current speedrun meta
jaunty locust
what do you usually use?
jaunty locust
gotcha gotcha. Yeah, I snagged an atlas braid and the extra bloodstone charon well item
opal lodge
but im not a beo player
yeah its like
almost legit to use the well keepsake for cast builds
jaunty locust
dio cast I"m unsure about because then I have to wait for the fog to fade
lethal chasm
i ususlly use dio ye
opal lodge
you could always use stygian soul
lethal chasm
for ice wine hopes
opal lodge
and try and get a chaos gate
turbid needle
💉 🩸 and ⚫
opal lodge
stygian soul is the one where
your cast stones are on a cd
instead of being retrievable
turbid needle
+2 dash from hermes is wack
opal lodge
that way you dont have to wait for fog to fade
indeed
+2 dash from hermes + tidal dash makes enemies go bye
sharp anvil
Is the pierced butterfly multiplicative or additive?
opal lodge
additive according to wiki
jaunty locust
OH right right. So in that case you can just throw out more and more of them one by one
instead of stacking it on for one big explosion
I -did- just do 1503 with a single three-bloodstone cast
so if I could improve that with boons etc.
but that's burst damage, not sustained
sharp anvil
Oh wow then pierced butterfly is incredibly weak
unkempt pagoda
butterfly is global damage btw
opal lodge
wait hmm
vocal oar
how’s the guan yu spear? is it good? even at lv1?
opal lodge
yeah i think it's additive but for global
drifting vale
at level 1 its rough
opal lodge
guan yu spear is kind of cancer at level 1 unless you're a dodging legend
at level 5 its dece
the hp hit for level 1 was too much for me
drifting vale
yeah you need thick skin and some good dodging skills to make level 1 work
vocal oar
yeah it looks tough with only 30hp guess i wont fulfill that prophecy anytime soon
whats a good aspect for spear? at lv1
drifting vale
at level one? probably either zag or achilles
opal lodge
at level 1 none of them are that different from each other tbh
sharp anvil
I had a ~90% hunter dash and a ~150% heartbreak strike on a Hestia build, so even 30% from butterfly would be meh
opal lodge
ah i see
drifting vale
still big number and butterfly make number bigger
opal lodge
yeah thats unfortunate id imagine dad keepsake probably gives you a better additive bonus overall
sharp anvil
I mean at that point you're better off getting some defense
The plume's dodge would probably be better
glossy willow
So, I'm just getting into the game again after a long break
drifting vale
its 75% i think for unseen but youre also using a your aid slot so depends really
sharp anvil
I had 40% movespeed from Hermes and Hyper Sprint, I was really hoping for Rushed delivery, would have been a bit crazy
drifting vale
contractor
jaunty locust
oh I really REALLY do not like the charged shot on beowulf shield
if I mistime the length of the shot I just miss everything
tawdry sleet
Is there any knack to getting duo boons? Like is one god out of the two more likely to drop for example?
unkempt pagoda
nope, it's just a matter of knowing prereqs and getting lucky
opal lodge
copying from the speedrunning discord
Here are the chances of rolling a non-Hermes duo / legendary:
12% - Base chance of rolling duo/legendary per offered boon (in non-miniboss / non-styx rooms)
10% - increase from God's Pride
10% - increase from corresponding god trinket
So for a normal room when you are running God's Pride on the mirror and already have the pre-reqs, your overall chance of hitting the legendary/duo is:
39% - Chance with no god trinket and core boons not filled
51% - Chance with no god trinket but core boons are filled
54% - Chance with god trinket and core boons not filled
67% - Chance with god trinket and core boons are filled
i think they meant god's legacy though
jaunty locust
that tracks. If you have the prereqs your odds are honestly pretty good
opal lodge
main thing that was surprising to me is that having core boons filled makes a pretty substantive differenec
jaunty locust
to get the duo/legendary? Yeah, the game WANTS you to get the duos
opal lodge
there are so many runs where i didnt have a call or cast and probably missed out on a duo because of it
jaunty locust
WAIT hold on you can dash while you're charging up your final arthur slash?
like you can hit "swing" on yoru last arthur slash and just
go?
unkempt pagoda
yeah, arthur can "dash-carry" all the attacks in its combo
sword in general can dash-carry its special
arthur is surprisingly more mobile than people think
tawdry sleet
oooh do I risk the anvil when I've already got +4 special shots
probs no other hammers that could be as impactful
willow fossil
If youre happy with your hammers dont take anvil
tawdry sleet
First time I've done a proper Chiron run
even with the supposed nerf, this is crazy
jaunty locust
I wanna wait for artemis for the arthur run, but I do have heartbreak strike and that feels so juicy. I could get passion dash or crush shot tho
oh, wait, passion dash where I END UP, that's good if I'm dash carrying a big combo
unkempt pagoda
hb strike, definitely
jaunty locust
I know it's good, but the artemis... the crit...
plush latch
is there a clear better choice btwn haste and wind here?
zag fists and demeter call
willow fossil
I love quick recovery
Healing has a lot of value
Especially in the hades fight
That will keep you quite healthy
plush latch
makes sense, i'll grab it!
jaunty locust
that's a good point; big damage will be affected more by this than, say, a lot of little hits
fleet cypress
Question, can you still stand next to the final boss to avoid his lasers? Or was that patched?
unkempt pagoda
yes, you can
fleet cypress
Awesome
jaunty locust
I got the secret extreme skillz build but I don't know how to use it lmao. I have the backstab hammer on the sword, but maneuvering myself into backstab position whiel charging the big slash is too tough
unkempt pagoda
his base form you can, anyways
here's the secret squeeq: you don't need to be behind people to backstab them with arthur
arthur's hitbox is so large you can backstab foes behind you that are facing zag lol
jaunty locust
backstab foes that... OH
because I'm facing left, and the enemy is facing left, that's a backstab
it doesn't matter if I"m in front of them or not
the direction of the attack is left?
willow fossil
Question, can you still stand next to the final boss to avoid his lasers? Or was that patched?
They removed it on em4 since he pulses knocking you away. So im guessing outside of em4 is an intended strategy
hearty elbow
It's far from a perfect science though lol. Each laser hit stuns too, so even without EM4 it's easy to just slightly overshoot the dead zone then get stun locked trying to work your way in.
ebon kindle
what green mirror buffs are worth using ? i see most people rock all purple w one or 2 green buffs
hearty elbow
Dark Regeneration always, Stubborn Defiance at high heat with LC4, Dark Foresight always, God's Legacy if you want duos/legendaries, Fated Persuasion always.
jaunty locust
wait, but if I attack them from the front it hits their front too and doesn't work
willow fossil
It's far from a perfect science though lol. Each laser hit stuns too, so even without EM4 it's easy to just slightly overshoot the dead zone then get stun locked trying to work your way in.
Correct, is still risky business
hearty elbow
Oh, and Family Favorites always. Stygian Soul and Abyssal Blood have uses to but it's a lot more niche
ebon kindle
i see, thank u friend!
willow fossil
I love boiling blood more
jaunty locust
wait, family favorites is boost per different god, the other one is for multiple curses?
hearty elbow
Correct
hearty elbow
I have done a lot of status based builds, and I still think that FF very slightly edges out PS in those instances
tawdry sleet
hearty elbow
It's a lot closer of a margin, I would never fault anyone for taking PS on a status build
tawdry sleet
This build was pretty epic
Managed to get the duo and legendary
I'm baffled how people manage runs in less than 15 minutes though, if I had tried to "speedrun" I'd have likely been sub 20 but only just
jaunty locust
ooooh
unkempt pagoda
the 12 bow wins compared to less of everything else really speaks to me
jaunty locust
3060 with the backstab crit! Ahhhh that felt good
willow fossil
Abysmal is the safe bet, when youre planning to get hit
tawdry sleet
@unkempt pagoda Just to note, only 4 of the "completions" are from 1.0
hearty elbow
You shouldn't ever plan to get hit lol, but it's nice when you do get hit
tawdry sleet
the majority are from a simpler time when the Hydra was the end-boss 😄
willow fossil
I know. Is mostly aimed at new players
unkempt pagoda
if you're not planning to use your attack or special, abyssal is the way to go
willow fossil
Thats simply don't know what patterns and stuff
unkempt pagoda
like cast builds >:)
willow fossil
True ok
hearty elbow
I think for new players, the 50% boost to get things dead faster (especially since boon combinations and interactions will not come easily in the beginning) is a huge thing.
hearty elbow
The best defense is you opponent dying.
willow fossil
They dont have enough dmg lol
tranquil violet
Question about the way the game rolls gods for boons
hearty elbow
Right, that's why I'd recommend Boiling Blood. The newer you are, the closer the 50% is to just a straight multiplier lol
willow fossil
Especially since they dont know what to build
tranquil violet
Is it the first four you see or first four you take?
I guess I could check this pretty easily by doing a throwaway boonless run and seeing how many I see
willow fossil
Take
tranquil violet
Okay cool.
jaunty locust
right - if you pick any of the boons that don't install a bloodstone, it doesn't do anything
unkempt pagoda
their damage is usually enough to make up for it tbh, if you're gonna go those you're probably building them
jaunty locust
okay, that was very very funny. You know how when you break the armor, it only shows you how much damage you made to the armor? So I just hit an arthur third strike crit on a nearly unarmored enemy for 9 damage
a "9!" was good to see
oh yeah, their damage makes up for it, but if you think you're going for them or something (or like, using the board and flares) then boiling blood is a dead slot
rugged wave
do most people just do em4 all the time?
unkempt pagoda
no lol
jaunty locust
I am likely to once my heat requirements get that high. EM is just a different boss to learn, right? So I"ve learned one boss, I can learn another
EM 2 feels especially free for 2 heat points
nocturne maple
i dont see ppl on high heat going em4 its almost masochistic
unkempt pagoda
when you start going higher and higher in heat, em4 becomes a giant brick wall that's more and more hassle to put on
rugged wave
I just tried em4 for the first time lol
tranquil violet
I am but a scrub with less than a dozen clears
nocturne maple
i cri everytim
tranquil violet
Haven't found EM1 to be much harder at all
nocturne maple
the furies are a joke once you beat the game
tranquil violet
I didn't really find EM changed how I played furies
tranquil violet
Like I'm still moving around pretty much nonstop it's just slightly different to avoid the assist attacks
But otherwise it's not really much more
hearty elbow
I really feel like Meg and Garbage Lady could stand to have -1 invuln phases
rugged wave
I think the only time I I had to use a death defiance on em1 was with a lvl 1 guan yu
nocturne maple
i feel like guan yu's schtick isn't enough to justify the life loss
i maxed it out and i still feel so bad
hearty elbow
The special builds are so nice though
hearty elbow
I don't think it quite makes up for the life loss but it is a stupid good special, especially with Charged Skewer
The spin builds are kind of garbo though
rugged wave
I didnt have charged spin and I was already low going into the fight
tawdry sleet
Does Ares' special stack? If you got it on ||Chaos Shield|| for example
rugged wave
had like hypnos keepsake too
hearty elbow
You need Dire Misfortune to get it to stack
nocturne maple
spin boons on guan yu are not worth trust me
hearty elbow
And even then it doesn't stack like, full damage, it gets additional little bits of damage
rugged wave
Yeah ik u just use the special
tawdry sleet
hmm, just wondering which special would be "best" on the Chaos then
rugged wave
I like dino
nocturne maple
i could prob do the exploding poseidon special i did with Zag spear but with guan yu
hearty elbow
Thunder, Curse of Pain, Drunken Flourish are all fine
rugged wave
Yeah thats what I typically do
nocturne maple
that was so fun
hearty elbow
I have heard whisper of damage based shotgun builds but I have neither tried it nor seen it work yet so shrug
tawdry sleet
I did a successful thunder run I think
but I don't remember it feeling super strong
rugged wave
charge special on guan yu is a lot of fun
tawdry sleet
like the lightning / shields didn't spread enough
nocturne maple
zeus is so weird cuz for the first few boons i feel like nothing's happening
rugged wave
zeus on rail though
nocturne maple
then i get to styx with like 7 of them and im just wiping everything out
hearty elbow
You pretty much just need Static Discharge + Flourish, everything is gravy from then on
But yeah, the damage with just Flourish is not inspiring.
rugged wave
zeus on demeter is fun too
jaunty locust
wait, for flourish with which?
rugged wave
how do you do cast build with talos?
cosmic jacinth
what wacky build should i go for im going to use pom blossom i dont got hidden aspect of gun or fist btw
unkempt pagoda
some kind of hangover build
cosmic jacinth
i was thinking that on the bow
nocturne maple
how does merciful end work? Does it activate doom when u deflect or do you have to hit someone with doom already
cosmic jacinth
how good is hades keep sake
unkempt pagoda
you hit something with doom, you hit it again with some ability that can deflect, you instantly deal doom damage + 40
nocturne maple
oh poggers
unkempt pagoda
how good is hades keep sake
underwhelming
unkempt pagoda
oh definitely
dire misfortunate wouldn't have any effect if you're using ME anyways
stark ore
Divine Dash also triggers Merciful End, so with a faster weapon it’s a ton of extra damage
unkempt pagoda
chiron needs investment to be good, most of hera's power is given at the 1st level
dense crest
ty
nocturne maple
oh my god this is cracked out
unkempt pagoda
if you don't like cast builds though, don't take hera rn
nocturne maple
extra dash on hermes too i just zoom in
i lived through a chamber with 1 hp from beginning to end lmao this is hilarious
unkempt pagoda
another discovers the joy and borderline brokenness of merciful end
hearty elbow
A couple of weeks ago there was a charming fellow in this channel who was hell bent on arguing that Merciful End was terrible because it couldn't out-dps Twin + Flurry Shot Heart Rend Zag Bow.
hearty elbow
There was a whole lot to unpack in that conversation lol
fossil compass
I've always thought that builds that require too much RNG like duo boons are too unreliable
plain pulsar
I just unlocked guan yu spear and i have a question
fossil compass
Unless the % chance is higher than I expected
plain pulsar
Does boons for the spin attack fall under "attack" or does it not affect it at all
primal hazel
Builds are really consistent in hades
cosmic jacinth
should i be using god mode?
cosmic jacinth
because im just fine without it
primal hazel
Your choice man
cosmic jacinth
without the damage reduction XD
primal hazel
Whatever you have the most fun with
unkempt pagoda
Does boons for the spin attack fall under "attack" or does it not affect it at all
yes
cosmic jacinth
guan yu fun
unkempt pagoda
99% of the time, if you use the attack button, it's an attack
cosmic jacinth
also its utter trash if u cant spin
im not talking about life steal btw XD
but its damage comes from the spin most of the time right
hearty elbow
I've always thought that builds that require too much RNG like duo boons are too unreliable
@fossil compass No, you're on the right track. The best builds are those that are functional without their duo, but still give you the outs to getting them.
fossil compass
I'll give it a try for my next run though, Athena Mars sounds decent for Demeter aspect run
Thanks for suggestion :)
smoky atlas
am i crazy for wanting to put dio on rama special
dio special boon does the same dps regardless of which weapon right
austere geyser
just a question on game design: would it be a good idea to have a mode that you can only get boons from two/three selected gods before the run? I kinda want to experiment some combinations but rng is rarely helping me with that.
tranquil violet
You could also do it the old fashioned way by paying libations to the gods before starting your run.
At minimum you'll want to offer the best parts of a whole lamb or goat and pour out a full wineskin for each run.
austere geyser
bruh
cunning ibex
man i got an interesting start
willow fossil
Codex menu allows you to use boons in the courtyard
cunning ibex
picked up chill attack and the "if all enemies are chilled they take damage" bono
as im using the spear this is fairly easy to accomplish
steady cipher
Is it possible to get 100% dodge chance?
cunning ibex
maybe depending on how boons stack
if you play perfectly you could get like 60% dodge from the keepsake
or maybe that has a cap. i wouldn't know
cunning ibex
well the page for lambent plume doesn't specify a cap
willow fossil
But the game has a cap of chambers
Well encounters which is what matters for plumbe
cunning ibex
well if you get lucky with encounters and end every encounter on time with the plume
cunning ibex
you could get a fairly high dodge chance. coupled with some hermes boons you could probably reach 100% if only temporarily
willow fossil
Exactly
cunning ibex
i mean though
if each dodge chance triggers independently
you could probably have an effective 100% dodge chance
i believe there is a 50% dodge after being hit boon.
oh after call
with perfect luck you could get 25% from a boon and 60% from the keepsake with a 52% after call
willow fossil
If you dodge once, even with 1% it was an effective 100% dodge chance
If youre relying on perfect luck, then isnt 100% dodge chance
unkempt zephyr
game have another sourse of dodje. 50% from ruthless reflex
willow fossil
Correct
cosmic jacinth
im about to do a cast build for ares with Poseidon sword recharge cast or have 3 cast which is better?
stark ore
3 casts, the only cast I think recharge is better with is Demeter
cosmic jacinth
im going for the duo with dem and arti with ares
stark ore
Also Ares’ cast doesn’t get stuck in enemies so unless you’re much better with sword I’d recommend Achilles spear for max cast damage. Comes down to personal preference though
cosmic jacinth
wait achilles gives cast damage
royal helm
How often does Zeus' call strike per second?
cosmic jacinth
aaaah
stark ore
Yep, after you use Raging Rush you can have up to 150% damage for the next 4 attacks/casts
cosmic jacinth
dammit DAMMIT
i just spent 4 titan blood ;-;
so im down to three so i cant get it super high
well ill work for it
stark ore
Also you can’t have both the Demeter and Artemis duo, imo the Artemis duo is much better though
stark ore
Achilles is a good aspect, however for most casts that get stuck in enemies Poseidon is still probably better
cosmic jacinth
i really wanted chill tracking explosion chain saws
stark ore
You’re good though, Achilles is better with Demeter and Ares’ cast but Poseidon is still better with most other casts
(Accidentally misspelled shot lmao)
cosmic jacinth
i really never used achilles aspect
so i glossed over cast buff
weird how hidden aspects are easier to max out but when its the one before its harder
stark ore
I’m biased but Achilles is a really solid aspect, gives you good damage and mobility. However Ares and Demeter are really the only casts I’d recommend taking Achilles for since Poseidon’s dislodge lets you get more casts in with casts like Artemis and Aphrodite
cosmic jacinth
hmm i should prob try it when doing big damage build well thanks
stark ore
Np, three empowered Slicing Shots with Hunting Blades does massive damage against mobs and bosses, I think I’ve been able to do like half Dad’s health with three casts before
unkempt zephyr
For me ahillies all time must have Artemis and poseidon. becaus mirage shot,mark for attacks and cast,legendary +cast. and i add demeter in god pool. for Duo with poseidon cast.Or crystal cast and Duo with artemis.
worn crypt
Is there a way to reset seed other than dying?
I'm trying to test something but keep getting not the start I need
cosmic jacinth
HAH feels but i got like 5 casts at once with 39 damage not so high tho
bc i had level three on poseidon sword
lethal chasm
what to try to grab on eris atk
zeus failed
have 250% aphro hazard bomb
what compliments that lol x_x cant think
achilles has me my 2nd fastest build
and yea there are some op op ones, hunting blades and blizzard shot
solid cairn
Wdym Zeus attack failed
lethal chasm
demeter
didnt roll it
;/
from keepsake
poseidon is actually my favored pick on achilles
blizz shot got me the most dmg by far
hunting blades built proper might do more tho
solid cairn
I actually like the regular flood shot
lethal chasm
yeah for sure me too, not hard to juice it up and get 1hits
so sticking doesnt matter
hgihest number i've ever done was w achilles blizz shot, 5.4k on cast
lvl 7 flood shot or w.e its called
on redact
spice vine
I assume mirror setup is dependant on your bild yeah?
lethal chasm
moslty yea
modest sigil
Does the boost for the Pierced Butterfly disappear once you unequip the keepsake
spice vine
Does Demeter's Nourished Soul ( HP effects are more potent) Give bonus to Guan yu's buff
off lifesteal on spin
It says any so I assume yes right?
cunning ibex
okay what just happened
opal lodge
@olive badge yeah deadly reversal is sick
cunning ibex
I hit hades with a greater call from aphrodite and suddenly he took 1/3rd of his health bar damage instantly
opal lodge
especially on swords n stuff
greater call does something like 3500 dmg
lesser calls do no damage
its quite smth
@olive badge common setup is to get artemis attack, athena on special, then deadly reversal and divine dash
that way your 20% buff to crit chance is almost always active
cunning ibex
aphrodite is MVP then
spice vine
Artemiks's greater can be prety bonkers
junior harbor
Is it possible to get blizzard shot on Beowulf?
spice vine
Does Hermes attack speed boon affect the shackle? I assume so?
mossy light
do chaos or pact gates count as chambers?
lethal chasm
i think ive had blizz shot on beowulf i dont see why not
i had curse of drowning or w.e
not good on it. lol
stark ore
@mossy light Yes they do count, Hydralite works with them so I believe so
lethal chasm
hydra does ye
is aphro cast rly top tier for beo..? its exclusive so imagine its good
never ran it
stark ore
Beowulf is my absolute least favorite aspect in the game so I got no idea, probably good since it causes weak though
lethal chasm
werdd
opal lodge
both it and dio cast melt with a couple poms
mossy light
how do you build the chaos shield. that one i dont get
stark ore
Explosive Return makes it pretty good too since it's basically a shotgun when it's maxed
solid cairn
It just went from god SSS+ tier to just really damn good
olive badge
Zeus special is not worth it anymore
stark ore
Personally I use Zeus aspect but Chaos is still busted, really solid for damage
olive badge
the SSS+ tier rn I believe is Rama special lol
solid cairn
Haelian has a boon and mirror guide on the shield and he goes over what’s good on it briefly
But yeah it’s kind of like Chiron where mostly every special works
opal lodge
zeus special is still good for chaos shield
solid cairn
You could probably do some stuff with Demeter special and the boon that makes stuff explode with max chill
opal lodge
@hearty elbow just beat 40 heat with a zeus special build
olive badge
it's good yeah
I just feel like it's worth going for stuff like Doom or Hangover more
also does Deadly Reversal requires you to actually deflect stuff
because it seems that way to me
built Athena attack on fist and wanted some more damage but I almost never really feel the crit boost
opal lodge
i think its like ME where it just requires you to do damage with the ability but someone else probably knows better
solid cairn
Demeter doesn’t do much on fist attack
solid cairn
Yeah fists aren’t the best for deadly reversal
Now that you can’t get it from a dash it’s more situational
olive badge
I wanted to build around athena attack
though, funnily enough the plan was around deadly reversal
solid cairn
You’re better off using another weapon for that like the sword
olive badge
but I do a lot without it anyway
because backstab bonus is hella tight
but yeah gonna go back to excalibur for that
just wanted to try hunting dash, rolling knuckles and deadly reversal
does hunting dash boost rolling knuckle combo ender?
opal lodge
i dont think its bad to go for deadly reversal as a secondary to ME on fists
lethal chasm
werd
opal lodge
like if you get ME in tartarus or asphodel its pretty easy to get deadly reversal with one artemis keepsake
olive badge
honestly I think what doesn't work for the ME build for me is that I wanted to do Athena Attack
opal lodge
yeah
you need a faster move to apply doom
but if you get divine flourish and like
artemis cast
olive badge
what I gone for was Athena attack, Artemis special
opal lodge
you dont need attack or special for artemis/ares to go for DR/ME respectively
just need athena attack/special
olive badge
the idea is using the safety of athena attack to stack up the special and get DR boost
lethal chasm
idk what aspect im best w now ;/ feel like achilles is the most reliable
olive badge
achilles cast?
opal lodge
yeah i was best with chaos but 32 heat has melted me confidence :^)
lethal chasm
but helps w good atk / dash attack aswell
solid cairn
I used to hate cast Achilles but I have gotten a bit better at it
lethal chasm
its super simple imo
solid cairn
It still feels a bit awkward
lethal chasm
throw spear in corner
opal lodge
grim do you run stygian or infernal for it
lethal chasm
get big buffs
solid cairn
Infernal
lethal chasm
feels like a mage lol
opal lodge
it really does feel like a mage
solid cairn
I just haven’t used cast builds enough
opal lodge
poseidon is fun
solid cairn
And I usually don’t play mages in a lot of games lol
lethal chasm
yea poseidon is most fun imo aswell
olive badge
honestly the problem with achilles for me is I don't like extra step
solid cairn
I think I’m okay with poseidon
olive badge
that's why I don't build Rama attack
opal lodge
i once got mirage shot in tartarus and then fully loaded in elysium
jaunty locust
I'm trying all the hidden aspects one by one. On Rama now.
olive badge
cuz while it's strong
opal lodge
unrealiable but possible
lethal chasm
extra step?
lethal chasm
rama is whattha i cant believe this is so good
when you first try it
lol
oh
yeah i mean
jaunty locust
you have to hit with the special before your attack can do more
lethal chasm
just think
olive badge
I don't like that
olive badge
prefer to shut my brain
lethal chasm
its a extra step like making a attack is
olive badge
then spam special on Rama
lethal chasm
lol werd i like more active builds usually
jaunty locust
wait, but the special doesn't do more damage?
lethal chasm
on achilles?
jaunty locust
sorry, Rama I mean
opal lodge
i think playing on higher heats makes me use my brain a lot more
olive badge
see this is why people who thinks can't understand
jaunty locust
yeah you do, you gotta hit them with the regular hit first
lethal chasm
actually ill redact achilles rama is prob the most solid overall >_>
olive badge
because how fast Rama special fire
lethal chasm
i mean
olive badge
and how it ricochet
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it's a monster with Zeus special
lethal chasm
never tried it i will next
jaunty locust
hmmm... trying to figure out what boons I'd want. I want Aphrodite or Poseidon or Demeter or something for the strike, since I want that damage to be HIGH. Ares sounds OK for special, because it ricochets around and I can hit a lot?
olive badge
since each arrow proc a bolt that deals 40-ish damage
and if you get relentless volley
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it's one of the highest DPS in the game
lethal chasm
or artemis
jaunty locust
yeah I saw relentless volley but I went for the Repulse Shot becuase I think that's a prophecy thing
opal lodge
it also has high speed of special so i know a lot of people use dionysus for special
lethal chasm
chunk chunk
jaunty locust
yeah Ares for special, or?
lethal chasm
he says zeus
jaunty locust
OH good point. Okay, gonna skil Ares for now
lethal chasm
lol
i see merit in it
for sure
hangover good
doom if you can get aphro ares duo
which not that hard if your going aphro atk
jaunty locust
trying to get the sense of this - so say I tag someone with the special, and then I use my attack to smack like six skulls at once. Does it take damage for each of the tagged skulls?
lethal chasm
each of the tags take xx%
opal lodge
yes some portion of damage
lethal chasm
period
olive badge
give me a second
lethal chasm
everything you have a tag on takes that % of the aspect u have levelled and applies it to every tag
olive badge
uploading the video
lethal chasm
its pretty wild
lethal chasm
werd math checks out i think idk the internal cd of bolts
olive badge
it does have cooldown
but you proc still like 5 bolts
each proc an additional legendary bolt
lethal chasm
right which is equiv to like 2 doom procs
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adding double strike to it just make it dumb
lethal chasm
per hit
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also
lethal chasm
makes sense.
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yes Theseus and Asterios died in under 15s
lethal chasm
werd
jaunty locust
that was hwo I got my first clear! I got artemis boons so I could get hunted on redacted and crit for big hits
lethal chasm
my first clear i dont even remember but it was bow
lol
i think hera
and i thought bow was terrible
then i finally beat game w it after 20-30 tries
lolo
opal lodge
my first clear was on zag rail LOL
lethal chasm
took me awhile to get spear clears
opal lodge
EM4 with no other modifiers is fine
olive badge
I always play on td3
opal lodge
but EM4 with any other modifiers instantly gets exponentially harder
olive badge
it was TD3 EM4 FO2
opal lodge
esp with something like FO or HL
junior harbor
So i just discovered the power of Blizzard Shot + Mirage Shot.
lethal chasm
em4 is thta much harder?
junior harbor
Holy moly, it just MELTS bosses
opal lodge
FO2 hades is tough
junior harbor
I posted a video in vicotry boasting of my hades kill. heat 0, but still.
opal lodge
yeah i cleared my first time with like
junior harbor
3 casts pushed him into the next phase, every time.
opal lodge
zag rail and stubborn roots
lethal chasm
yup
opal lodge
going in with 0DDs
olive badge
honestly the one time I beat EM4 and FO2 was pretty funny
opal lodge
took me a solid 15 minutes for the entire fight just running away and stalling
olive badge
it was the 90% dodge chance build
Hermes plume
second wind
ruthless reflex
Zag fist
lethal chasm
i just got stubborn roots first time yest, actually needed it lol
yea ima do a dodge build soon
opal lodge
stubborn roots is memes
lethal chasm
did some dodge guan yu last night
olive badge
stubborn roots isn't the worst duo
lethal chasm
was aight
olive badge
Lightning rod is
junior harbor
I've been trying out stuff while darkness farming for UI + badges, and BS + MS has to be my favorite. so reliable and fast with heat-0 on
opal lodge
lightningrod is actually not as bad as i thought
lethal chasm
for no crystals
ive beat hades w just rod lmao
basically
works well w hunting blades bc you get dps whether your casting or not
olive badge
if you use melee wep you'll accidently pick them up
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which is why I don't like it
opal lodge
lightningrod is at least some extra damage if you accidenetally get it
lethal chasm
210/dps?
opal lodge
no one builds around it but its not actively useless
lethal chasm
or w.e
opal lodge
stubborn roots is literally useless for 99% of the runs people do
lethal chasm
sounds useful af to me loll
olive badge
my first 32 heat clear
opal lodge
i shouldve cleared 32 heat with chiron before they nerfed it 😦
cyan bear
I just won with aspect of lucifer last night thanks for the tips everyone
Any suggested builds for guan yu?
stark ore
Divine Strike is probably really good for the spin, should let you deflect attacks easily
Aphro special is also gonna help a ton
cyan bear
How about boons?
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Artemis special
cyan bear
I mean hammers
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chuck for 3-4k crit
opal lodge
a lot of people like athena attack and art special
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charged special
lethal chasm
lol
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have you even seen charged special Guanyu
cyan bear
Thank you all for the tips
stark ore
Quick Spin and Charged Skewer are both good options
cyan bear
Nah i havent
olive badge
it just kill things
cyan bear
I tried it one tine and had a hard time with the loading of the spin
lethal chasm
charged special is the dmg/aoe one?
got that twice last night
wyld
OH skewer
didnt have that >_>
cyan bear
Thanks everyone!
mossy light
charge boosters on the 4th aspects tend to be good, given the high base damage
lost badger
Does chaos shield + Dionysus work? I just gave it a go, and the damage felt low, esp on bosses. Pretty low heat, but only 3 shields unlocked.
mossy light
i prefer zeus to chaos aspect
opal lodge
it's not ideal but it works
you could go for something with ares to get curse of nausea and put like
idk
mossy light
my problem with chaos is that it hits enemies once, when you can just spam attack or whatever
lost badger
I was trying to check off the approval process heat, so def wasn’t an optimal build. Got locked out of the Athena legendary
jaunty locust
hmm... I don't know if I like Rama that much so far?
the bonus damage is nice but it requires there to be someone around that you WANT to hit for it to spread well. I guess it's also just a flat bonus to normal attack damage, but you don't do that much damage
lost merlin
I thought this was pretty good
double attack and 40% attack speed was pretty insane
absolutely dumping out damage
hexed briar
unkempt zephyr
@hexed briar say to Tail....he clear 54 heat on this Rama.... and do drangonball\master Yoda stuff.....
hollow folio
you tag them with special and try to hit as many as possible with normal attacks, preferably with power shot
jaunty locust
omg I picked double arrow with Rama this is a catastrophe
jaunty locust
yeah I'm not enjoying this. I've rarely don this bad, but the hammer isnt' working
cloud barn
double arrow on rama can be great, just use it as a melee weapon with dash attacks
jaunty locust
yeah, but what i want is for it to get the power shot because that can REALY let loose
jaunty locust
idk the full one does 1k backstabbing Asterius
up close does 88
YES anvil traded tin shot for chain shot and ponit-blank
mossy light
woo, youre functional! 
jaunty locust
lambent plume I can use as a prereq for Hermes' legendary ; I thought I could do the same for Huge Catch
stoic thicket
For me twin shot on Rama is close to an auto-pick. It's so good.
mossy light
i had no idea dash attacks with the bow were viable
tranquil violet
Did the extension of the criteria for Ares/Zeus duo just happen?
Looks like it now allows a bunch of other boons for the third category of the criteria
Holy Shield, Wave of Despair, and Frozen Touch now count
I don't think those counted last week?..
opal lodge
i think those have always counted
jaunty locust
hey, redacted said I could use summons against them but thanatos won't
tranquil violet
tfw you're exiting a room in styx and see a gold vase you missed
jaunty locust
bad feel
tranquil violet
Question about Vengeful Mood
Does having multiple revenge effects mean they both proc just as often as they would individually?
Or does it pick between them randomly?
Say I have holy shield and heaven's vengeance, will I get one of them every 3 sec? Or every 3 sec I may have none, one, or both of them?
jaunty locust
evern 3 secs you get both of them I think
olive badge
everything triggers
tranquil violet
Oh that's good
tranquil violet
I too am a scrub
What's y'all's policy on Styx?
I tend to run as many corridors as I can if Im not below 2 defiances
tranquil violet
I don't find Styx very hard if my build isn't total crap
olive badge
I take off as soon as I find the sack
tranquil violet
So unless I'm really trying to save health the extra upgrades are very worthwhile
olive badge
cuz if you fight EM4 Hades you're gonna need all that health and defiance
tranquil violet
2 poms of damage reduces the length of the fight by a lot though
olive badge
if I have money to spare I could pray to get another charon well
olive badge
not particularly that
you see when you do cast build
prometheus stone and braid of atlas is the best
tranquil violet
Yeah I guess a braid or whatever would be a lot
Yeah
Anyhow time to try to finish the last weapon I don't have a clear on
olive badge
which is
tranquil violet
This weird Ares/Zeus/Athena build sucks
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which is the weapon tho
tranquil violet
But I somehow always end up clearing hades when I have bad builds
And my curse of pain is Lv 7
And have Charged Volley so
This was supposed to be an Ares/Artemis build but RNGesus denied me
cyan bear
Reached the surface with guan yu, it sucks
Haha but at least i got the rewards to reach the surface with it
stoic thicket
Guan Yu is awesome.
olive badge
it's the same as your boiling blood
ornate prawn
he has boiling blood against you
stoic thicket
Try and get chunked by the spin when you're afflicted by it, you definitely notice that one.
tranquil violet
His spin is really easy to iframe dodge though
Tbh his worst attack is when he happens to summon a chariot
olive badge
I mean it's not that hard when you get to focus on him
And you don't have a timer on your arse
But sometimes you do get hit
And it's a lot of damage
Especially when he boils you then do the beam thing
tranquil violet
Beat feeling is Ares greater call while he beams
Excuse me while I just ignore your attack and hit your HP bar like a truck
loud flint
maybe one day artemis will give me exit wounds before styx despite getting her as my first boon
ornate prawn
ares, athena, even poseidon can be good for that
mossy light
if you want exit wounds, why would you get her as a first boon
you just need an arrow type cast boon for it to be unlocked, not even an artemis boon
olive badge
this is why I take persuasion
mossy light
the yellow mirror buffs i take are gods legacy(legend/duo chance), gods persuasion (boon reroll), fam favorite, and gold touch (investment)
drifting vale
True shot is pretty good
mossy light
i like to boost charon prices for heat, so i tend to skip shops aside from healing
olive badge
because I run TD3
mossy light
and because i buy crap in the styx
jaunty locust
doesn't that make styx more expensive:?
mossy light
TD3. thats legit
cunning urchin
I skip healing so I can buy from shops. 
mossy light
it affects all but the diamond and blood price
drifting vale
Fam fav
tranquil violet
I have maxed Fam Fav
mossy light
try fam favorite over the double status ailment perk. its much better
olive badge
you just straight up do more damage
tranquil violet
I've currently been running every run with
loud flint
sometimes i grab true shot because it Is indeed a prerequisite and it ensures artemis does show up later
and because goodbye shielded foes
olive badge
privstat is pretty good for something like Merciful End
cuz you gonna get the backstab debuff and doom 100% of the time
drifting vale
25% more damage instead of sometimes no bonus/ inconsistent bonus damage is just better for most runs
olive badge
that's it, if you get the backstab boon
tranquil violet
Fiery Presence, Dark Regen, Death Defiance, Greater Reflex, Boiling Blood , Infernal Soul, Deep Pockets, Thick Skin, Family Favorite, Olympian Favor, God's Legacy, and Fated Authority
mossy light
all of the bullet style casts feel the same to me. i tend to go zeus or poseidon or whatever. i think dios cast is my favorite though
mossy light
fiery presence?
jaunty locust
yeah I feel like the 40% when you're working everything well is so much more valuable?
olive badge
Zeus cast is a room clear machine
tranquil violet
Ah wait that's just because I was trying it our
mossy light
get used to hitting people in the rear unless youre doing a low heat rail grenade run
olive badge
fiery is so so
saw it on speed run cast build
with Zeus cast
one cast = room clear
olive badge
other than that any build that utilize attack or special is better off with shadow
olive badge
I think priv stat is pretty strong when thing works out
but it's something you have to invest for
imo it's a bit inconsistent to bank on and since all damage boost are additive
40% to like 25% isn't a big deal
jaunty locust
if you're doing a dio build, with aphrodite duo, yeah absolutely
olive badge
it's just 15% more
tranquil violet
So far I have Arthur, Guan Yu and Beowulf
tranquil violet
Which aspects are worth upgrading on the way?
mossy light
i dont really care for the 4th aspects, too slow
mossy light
hera is great, but it doesnt really need to be buffed
tranquil violet
Yeah the upgrades seem subpar
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tranquil violet
Whereas Chiron upgrades seem major
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this is what Rama build looks like btw
have to add spoiler because it's final boss
1:09 finall boss kill
the DPS on that thing is insane
tranquil violet
What are some good Arthur builds?
olive badge
Athena attack
tranquil violet
Makes sense
tranquil violet
And the projectiles are already slowed down :p
olive badge
also if you get blinding flash you would get like 1k backstab
tranquil violet
Meaning they bunch up as they hit Aura
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you can also deflect physical hit btw
tranquil violet
(Simple maffs.)
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if you don't know
tranquil violet
Yeah I've noticed but haven't quite mastered it yet
tranquil violet
The extent of my mastery of the precise mechanics of the game so far
tranquil violet
Are that I can iframe dodge Asterius and Redacted consistently
But that's about it
olive badge
that's a ton of mitigation right there
tranquil violet
And they have so much telegraphing
olive badge
honestly if you want to play arthur
tranquil violet
The entire Augean stables in one smelly wave
olive badge
there's one thing you want to learn is dashing mid attack
yeah you can dash in the start up of excalibur swings to reposition yourself
if you double dash it will cancel your attack so beware
tranquil violet
Without canceling the startup?
Handy.
Especially for that last big swing
300 base damage ftw
olive badge
it's the backstab
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which is a good thing
tranquil violet
So I don't notice beyond big number good
olive badge
the boons you want is athena attack and blinding flash
also try taking ruthless reflex
tranquil violet
Well that won't mesh well with an Arthur run for the sake of Dark Thirst
Maybe ill do something stupid and try for an Artemis Arthur crit build
olive badge
no it's actually terrifying if you crit on 3rd hit
which you won't but worth the shot
tranquil violet
Yeah my thoughts exactly
tranquil violet
I'll probably just take Athena's call
As that can be a nice chunk of change damage wise
But yeah I haven't gotten DR yet
DRrrrrrr
DRrrrrrrrrrrr
This is my duo! This duo was made for me!
Anyhow I'm officially done with Heat 0
So I am now officially very very very slightly less than a complete scrub
But only very slightly
tranquil violet
Right now I'm planning on just running EM1 for the time being
Extra boss patterns sound fun and not that bad all things considered
olive badge
tight deadline I mean
tight deadline is super free
only TD3 is gonna make thing hard
mossy light
Forced overtime and increased shop costs are my preference for acclimation
tranquil violet
I like shops though
I usually bank my gold for when I don't get gods I want (still a gamble but eh)
noble wolf
so I just got my first clear
used the bow
not sure I used normal attack once
anybody else just kiinda shotgun through the whole game?
tranquil violet
With dark regen I haven't really ever needed to buy healing
mossy light
@noble wolf i usually shotgun unless i get weird attack hammers
tranquil violet
I find the centaur hearts generally not very great either tbh
noble wolf
yeah it feels like normal attack needs flurry shot to be useful
tranquil violet
Like either I want them but I'm running GY so they're gimped
Normal attack with Hera + explosive + charging up
Boooooom
olive badge
I don't feel comfortable unless i have 200 HP before Hades