and boom you can do high heat
#h1-builds-and-combat
gray shore
solid cairn
Chaos shield used to fire shields all around and they bounced
solid cairn
Now they revered it to an earlier version where it shoots shotgun shields
gray shore
so basically an eruption of shields
solid cairn
And also they don’t bounce
solid cairn
Eris may be new high heat meta but what do I know
gray shore
i'm still gonna gun for 30 but
we'll see when that happens
Hades isn't the only game i play
xd
solid cairn
I have 32 heat on 2 weapons, but I’ve been busy speedrunning and stuff
gray shore
yeah those are
solid cairn
It kind of is the only game I play lol but I’m trying new things
solid cairn
That’s a thing
solid cairn
I’m taking a break from speedrunning since I got 7:58 time off recording and haven’t even gotten within 10 seconds since
calm saddle
ok yo the revenge build is really really fun
i didnt think it would be but with arthur aspect and if ur lucky enough to get cursed slash
so fun
cunning urchin
50 Heat speedrun is not a real thing lol. No one speedruns 50. They're just trying to make it through at all, and some of them happen to be faster than others.
calm saddle
u have to go fast on 50 heat just bcuz of the timer not bcuz ur trying to speed run it
gray shore
smile
calm saddle
but yeah revenge boons give u access to so many duos its crazy
didnt realize how easy it was to collect as well
i almost died a few times in styx to poison tho
cunning urchin
Not a problem if you still have enough to make it through Hades.
primal hazel
Is demeter decent with rush kick?
gray shore
demeter is always decent imo
primal hazel
Well thanks for that non answer m8
smoky atlas
failed 32 heat again 
cant seem to find a combo of heat that doesnt totally decimate me
gray shore
Sorry, just my legit opinion xD
but I think it's basically always usable to add a long range non committal way to apply chill
so i'm gonna go with ytes
cunning urchin
Pretty sure they're asking about Demeter Aspect.
gray shore
Oh my bad
mossy light
so ive been trying for the last couple days to get a stubborn defiance win, but ive been losing, so i swap back to 3x defiance. so on my first run of the day i win deathless.
gray shore
yeah you're probably right there
mossy light
also, healing boons are amazing on hell mode
unkempt scroll
Yay, bond forged with Athena :D
Also, is it a mistake to rely on the deflect dash a lot? 🤔
mossy light
not really. everyone knows its the best dash
as long as youre functional without it i think
unkempt scroll
Well, I guess I'm about to find out... I got the call instead of the dash xP
Fists hammer option: longer range + 10% attack dmg or dash-strike +60% dmg?
mossy light
i prefer strike
unkempt scroll
And what does it mean by "added to attack sequence"?
mossy light
changes your animations and attack speed slightly or something
its part of a combo instead of a separate animation
unkempt scroll
... o_o
stray radish
so boring statistics question i guess. is it better to use the mirror upgrade that increases the chance for a boon to be epic or legendary/duo?
unrelated but hunting for Chaos' legendary boon will end me
tawdry sleet
Does Dread Flight (Special strikes up to 4 additional foes) stack well with the Chaos Shield?
or would I be better off with Sudden Rush (charge bull rush quicker) so I can do it more frequently 
unkempt scroll
Okay... heat push + no divine dash = not funny...
About to try EM2 for the first time, and I've lost 2 DD...
unkempt scroll
Ugh... lost a DD... only got 1 now :c
mossy light
just dont get hit 
unkempt scroll
I know... but I have no divine dash, and those ghosts on Elysium is sooo annoying
Yes! I got my divine dash :D
Yay for Charon
Also +2 dashes :3
mossy light
yeee
lime garnet
What kind of builds would someone use for aspect of zeus shield?
unkempt pagoda
zeus flourish
unkempt scroll
Yay, another DD bought, so basically 5x DD this run xP
mossy light
zeus shield pairs well with the perk that gives bonus damage for having more status effects applied
its really good at applying things like chill or hangover
lime garnet
That's what I was kinda thinking. Demeter/dionysus
dry ember
What's Zeus cast called?
turbid needle
Electric Shot.
primal hazel
https://imgur.com/a/E2X7OBz @primal hazel
@willow fossil that's my crack
Crack rock
Thanks for making my day
opal lodge
Does Dread Flight (Special strikes up to 4 additional foes) stack well with the Chaos Shield?
or would I be better off with Sudden Rush (charge bull rush quicker) so I can do it more frequently :PepeHMM:
@tawdry sleet dread flight is broke rn
like bad broken not good broken
shield just whizzes around the room looking for targets instead of defending you
unkempt scroll
Wanna know what I found out yesterday? It's not fun to come up against the final boss with the +15% enemy hp with 20 dmg/hit... took me like, 5 minutes to beat him...
gray shore
i saw that boon for the first time
and i never forget to pray to bouldy
before getting my obols
turbid needle
It's not fun to have a chaos boon that damages you with every regular attack while fighting hydra
gray shore
my gf had a bossfight
where she couldn't use attack or special
needless to say she used 3 DD
gray shore
gratz man
but yeah i told her
i know she likes greed
but maybe double chaos boon, esp those two
was a bit overgreedy :)
unkempt scroll
Oh, dang. I usually try to stay away from the one I need for fighting. I only got them once, because I needed for the prophecy
And yay, I can buy themes now :D
And... they're expensive :I
unkempt scroll
No... I'm not even close. I still got stuff to buy, nectars to give out
There's only two Gods I need to give nectar to, and then perhaps Thanatos 🤔
Okay! Time for a 16 heat-run :3
mossy light
32 broke me, but 16 is fair
unkempt scroll
And then I'll focus on some of the prophecies, afterwards
gray shore
gl!
unkempt scroll
And after that, train to beat +40% attack/movement speed and EM4 :3
I wanna get goood x)
(Fists weapon), is it worth rerolling to try and get the dash, or should I take divine strike with +78% attack dmg?
unkempt scroll
I think you may want doom for special?
I find doom effect quite nicely with shield special
cunning urchin
Take Divine Strike on Malphon.
Get Deadly Flourish later for Support Fire and Deadly Reversal.
And pick up Divine Dash along the way.
tawdry sleet
What special boon do people prefer on Demeter Twin Fists?
cunning urchin
Divine Flourish if you're building for Merciful End.
Otherwise, Deadly Flourish or Heartbreak Flourish.
unkempt scroll
Deadly... Flourish? Was all that for me? 😖
cunning urchin
@unkempt scroll yes.
unkempt scroll
I don't know what all that stuff is 😖
I just usually go divine dash and some dmg xP
Except for the run yesterday... Took. So. Long o_o
unkempt scroll
Ohh
cunning urchin
Support Fire is a tier-2 boon from her that can show up once you have her Flourish.
And Deadly Reversal is their Duo Boon.
cunning urchin
Deadly Reversal gives you +20% crit chance for a few seconds any time you Deflect something.
limber flax
does hydraulic might activate after enemies spawn?
cunning urchin
Doesn't stack with itself, but you'll easily have 20% crit chance all the time with that build.
unkempt scroll
Oh? That sounds nice :o
cunning urchin
@limber flax nope. Activates immediately when you enter a chamber.
But it's still pretty good. You see it a lot in speedruns.
unkempt scroll
What's that might thing?
cunning urchin
Extra damage for the first 10 seconds of an encounter.
Well, 10 seconds is often enough to clear at the very least the first wave in a chamber.
unkempt scroll
Ohh, that. It can be nice, if you can just get to the enemies fast enough :p
unkempt zephyr
Styx extreamly easy with this
cunning urchin
^
unkempt scroll
But maybe not as effective vs the later bosses
unkempt zephyr
But maybe not as effective vs the later bosses
@unkempt scroll But you can melt first 50% of bosses HP pool
unkempt scroll
... You can?
I'm doing some WRONG, then
I may do like, 10%, max, at the last boss...
Or something...
Idk
cunning urchin
It also doesn't open up any t2 boons in his pool; so if you want a specific tier 1 boon from Poseidon and it doesn't show up, you can take Hydraulic Might instead for some nice passive bonus while waiting for another chance.
lol I think I took 10~15 seconds with this for Theseus and Asterius earlier. https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/767458198067478548/Hades_1027.png?width=834&height=469
gray shore
wait does a t1 boon guarantee the next boon offered will be t2?
cunning urchin
No, but some t1 boons are requirements for t2 boons.
gusty parcel
Don't believe so, but it opens the possibility.
unkempt scroll
T2 usually require something, don't they?
gray shore
It also doesn't open up any t2 boons in his pool; so if you want a specific tier 1 boon from Poseidon and it doesn't show up, you can take Hydraulic Might instead for some nice passive bonus while waiting for another chance.
@cunning urchin
So what you're saying is it maximises the chances
unkempt scroll
👍
gray shore
of the correct t1
cunning urchin
Right.
lime mountain
Get aspect of zangreus gun then get ,spread shot , Athena attack and dash then your done (also get faster attack speed Hermes boon)
cunning urchin
No, Hydraulic Might is also t1. It just doesn't unlock anything in his pool.
lime mountain
This gun build kinda op
tawdry sleet
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/767458198067478548/Hades_1027.png?width=834&height=469
@cunning urchin How do people get so many of their boons levelled so much?
I think that's one thing I don't manage to do well yet
gusty parcel
pom blossom
pom blossom and then minimizing other boons to force levels on specific boons.
tawdry sleet
I know the technical method, but I tend to end up with everything lvl 1-3
lime mountain
You get stxx poms and hope for best
stark ore
Erebus Gates, Fated Alteration, Pom Blossom, and saving up enough gold to buy poms in Styx
lime mountain
Pulling an epic gamer move
next remnant
Anyone got any tips for running Exagryph's hidden aspect?
I can never seem to get anywhere with it
cunning urchin
I only took Pom Blossom in the Temple of Styx.
cunning urchin
I skip healing and Centaur Hearts, so I get to pick up and buy all the poms and boons I want.
Coin Purse somewhere in the run for some extra cash.
stark ore
Anyone got any tips for running Exagryph's hidden aspect?
Zeus Attack and Support Fire w/Eternal Chamber is my go-to, though feel free to experiment
cunning urchin
The poms in Temple of Styx miniboss chambers and the more expensive ones at the final shop each give +2 levels.
turbid needle
If my favorite weapon is fists and I dash attack a lot, which Olympian has the best boons?
lone lava
ME 
cunning urchin
Lady Athena.
robust anchor
smart strong cousin protects me from bullies
gusty parcel
Athena dash. Zeus on attack. Support fire from Arty. Those are what I prefer. Merciful end is always a thing.
unkempt scroll
Lol... First room: +78% attack dmg with deflect
Second room: upgraded to 94%
x)
cunning ibex
anyone have a good build for the shield
whenver i use it i seem to just have terrible runs
turbid needle
Zeus's chain lightning is best for fists?
gusty parcel
Good. Maybe not best.
tawdry sleet
is Rare Crop always good to take?
gusty parcel
The base damage on fists is only 10, so lightning is a huge % modifier.
unkempt scroll
I don't think there's necessarily a "best" for any weapon. Probably depends on your skill level/ preference
stark ore
Ares attack with Athena special/dash and Merciful End is busted for fists, comes down to personal preference though
gusty parcel
Demeter's also a good one for fists because it stacks quickly and helps you stay safe vs bosses.
But it's a lot weaker room to room.
hazy slate
i think demeter attack on would be good once you get the boon that makes max chill explode
gusty parcel
I hate that boon personally. I'd much prefer to keep the 10 chill stacks.
robust anchor
yes i agree
unkempt scroll
Uhh, if I have 94% attack boost, does that also affect dash-attack?
mossy light
I refrain from it unless I'm going for demeter's legendary
cunning urchin
Curse of Agony is already #1 for DPS on Malphon, and Divine Dash is #1 for utility.
mossy light
Curse is good on rapid attacks even without merciful end?
robust anchor
yes
stark ore
Divine Strike is also pretty useful since you’re gonna be attacking a ton so having deflect on attack will help a lot
cunning urchin
Frost Strike does the same damage as Divine Strike, but Deflect is just better than Chill.
robust anchor
but zeus is close and there is some value in instant dmg
unkempt scroll
I like the chill that explodes
robust anchor
also ares attack will scale better with poms and increased rarity
wet rivet
any boon is good on the beyblade gorgonzola mittens
unkempt scroll
Uhh, does attack % also increase dash-attack?
robust anchor
yes
unkempt scroll
Okay
wet rivet
athena deflect+exposed dash + any curse on attack
delayed doom on special is also nice
hearty elbow
Curse is good on rapid attacks even without merciful end?
@mossy light Yes, both from a single target DPS perspective as well as AoE. Lightning Strike probably has more consistent AoE but you can tag lots of enemies in the room with Doom.
mossy light
does anyone use the revenge dash over the doubledash?
onyx parcel
unkempt zephyr
i use it on almost any melle weapons.
pallid dagger
before i get this second chaos boon,
anyone know if you can legally get more than one bonus of the same type? like, can you have two boons from them that increase the cast's power?
or will the second overwrite the first?
earnest sable
I think they'll overwrite each other
pallid dagger
oh no...
earnest sable
oop
pallid dagger
idk. i've had some problems with chaos before, like one boon disappearing at random when picking up another.
unkempt pagoda
they add together like every other offensive number in the game
hearty elbow
Lol, at least of all of the cast aspects, the base bow is still a good weapon
potent ember
just started a run got kinetic launcher, long knuckle, and concentrated knuckle from hammer. which one to pick?
hearty elbow
Are you on Demeter aspect?
potent ember
yes
unkempt pagoda
i like launcher
pallid dagger
kinetic launcher is fun, long knuckle is practical, and concentrated knuckle....eh.
unkempt pagoda
do you want to have fun or do you want to be better
pallid dagger
i generally don't use concentrated knuckle cuz i spam dash attack constantly so it never amounts to anything
potent ember
ima go long knuckle then
pallid dagger
everyone ignore how i set the heat level back to zero and compliment me on how i killed the megagorgon and beat thanatos' score all with just the dash to dodge curse penalties
hearty elbow
We were slightly meming, but Kinetic Launcher is far from bad. It's probably the... 4th hammer I'm looking for most on Demeter? Breaching Cross >= Long Knuckle > Explosive Upper > Kinetic Launcher
marsh pumice
Kinetic Launcher > all other
hearty elbow
In my heart, yes
wet rivet
Launcher is great on dem mittens
mossy light
rawket lawn chair
plush latch
zag fists with zeus attack and divine dash
wondering if i should go for the hermes or art buff here
mossy light
flip a coin, hermes seems to have weaker buffs in general, but extra dashes is gas
question to the channel, how many hermes buffs do yall like? all i can think of is faster casting and better dash
more dash*
gray shore
I like Hermes a lot, and you can only get 2 Hermes up until Act 3 bosh
early side hustle can be very impactful
gray shore
big fan of a bunch of them tbh
gray shore
hyper sprint is solid
plush latch
sprint is better than haste i assume?
hearty elbow
Hyper Sprint is good
gusty parcel
Sprint > Haste
plush latch
works for me!
wet rivet
Hermes has great boons
gray shore
I think haste is quite good for certain builds but, doubt it's higher value than hyper sprint
quick reload is more niche
hearty elbow
Lol, just forwarned, Hyper Sprint in Asphodel has a slightly learning curse on some map layouts and EM2
gray shore
just sprint all over the magma lol
wet rivet
Attack/special speed is amazing on a lot of builds
gusty parcel
The burst of speed and sturdy is usually better since you dodge to get out of damage. So the timing is a bit less harsh.
plush latch
yeah...dashing into magma is something i do too often
gray shore
^
mossy light
everyone dashes into magma. at least 85% of people dash into magma
i dont know if the high heat people dash into lava, but after 100 hours i still do
gusty parcel
Dash into magma, dash/sprint out during the brief period where it doesn't damage you.
I have 300+ hours, 32 heat on all weapons. I still dash into the magma. Feels like I do it more then before tbh.
cobalt field
idk if I am the only one, but Guan Yu's healing truly sucks
cobalt field
like you have to charge that long just to get like 1 HP per attack
willow fossil
After 200 I still do
plush latch
i turned HS on cause "yeah lemme train myself to get hit by traps less"
gray shore
HS just makes me take sure footing lel
i've been hit by a trap for 150
and i was like dammit
plush latch
same lmao
going from full to almost dead cause of one trap <<
i should swap that setting for something else lmao
15% enemy hp cant be nearly as bad
turbid needle
Is it worth it to choose the sword hoping for the +2hp per attack?
gray shore
I think cursed slash is considered weak
but that's what I've heard
I've only played with it once or twice thus far
turbid needle
Idk
I got that +2 hp per attack on my sword on my second escape attempt and I made it to elysium
gray shore
from what i've seen a lot of high heat runs rely on stubborn defiance to reset their hp anyway
so max hp is a desirable stat there
is it viable at low heat? sure
but that's the thing about this game
pact settings and heat level changes the viability and balance of weapons, aspects and even room rewards
unreal bolt
Pact setting appear after first escape ?
gray shore
correct
gray shore
I think Nectar is generically the best
but I can imagine situations for both the others
livid tiger
I ljke the 4x level up if I have enough boons
gray shore
Ambrosia is good if you're satisfied with your current boons and would like more rarity on them
especially considering that pom levels have diminishing returns on higher levels
on some but not all boons
pom porridge gives arguably the most upfront power
mossy light
always refreshing
gray shore
but arguably the least scaling in the long run
gusty parcel
I would try ambrosia and hope for a jolted upgrade, but Nectar is fine too if you're hoping for some stronger boons on other slots. Pom if you're feeling weak now.
marsh pumice
Ambrosia 95% of the time
gray shore
just take the time to examine your boons and think about which option suits you
i like nectar just cuz it helps spike high priority duo boons
turbid needle
Does an added chance for rare boons via the mirror slightly take away from the chance for duo/legendary boons?
gusty parcel
Nectar for duos is cool but he only has zeus and athena without the athena cast, so no duos there. Could do it for Zeus legendary which is really good though.
proven osprey
Finally got Hades with this stupid zeus cast build I wanted to work
primal hazel
It says rare or better so legendary should be in the scope
proven osprey
I like them
proven osprey
I like Zeus too but the dmg falls off if you don't get chaos or good boons like exit wound
(I fell in love with the latest)
primal hazel
Had an insane run with athena cast, poseidon sword, parting shot, epic exit wounds
gusty parcel
Ya mentioned parting shot twice. Guess it was just that helpful.
proven osprey
haha
tough harbor
sick i didn't know winter harvest worked on hades too
primal hazel
I forgot what else I wanted to write fml
proven osprey
Common boons are tilting me, is dark foresight that useful ?
primal hazel
Yes
unkempt scroll
FFS... I got the hammer boon with slower attack speed, and for some reason I couldn't use summon and lost against the final boss on 16 heat run..........
primal hazel
Since I have enabled foresight I consistently have my builds done by asphodel most of the times
proven osprey
I never tried the other one tho
primal hazel
I had the rarity increase for my first 70 runs
proven osprey
But I tried like, 5 times in a row
primal hazel
Foresight feels more impactful to me
proven osprey
the same build : 4/5 times I got common Zeus cast
coarse tendon
fun strong build with chiron aspect?
proven osprey
"guess it's common"
primal hazel
But gods keepsakes and eurydice helps that a bit
proven osprey
Yeah I had keepsake too
primal hazel
Also the duo/legendary thinf
primal hazel
You could try rocking chiron with athena/aphrodite and their duo
Or a chill build
Oof
coarse tendon
chill on special?
primal hazel
Or decay is also possible
mossy light
blizzard shot duo boon
coarse tendon
gonna try with chill thx 😄
primal hazel
Have fun!
willow fossil
I usually pick ambrosia delight, since that's one of the 3 ways to get boons to heroic
mossy light
i never know if i should go for a duo boon or hammer
primal hazel
You mean trial room?
lethal dock
the game will give you hammers a lot if you miss one
mossy light
in a shop or room?
hearty elbow
Rooms, typically in Elysium
willow fossil
i never know if i should go for a duo boon or hammer
@mossy light take the trial
Another hammer will spawn
primal hazel
Then take your time to figure out :D
unkempt scroll
When should I switch DD out with the other one?
solid cairn
Beowulf shield is growing on me
solid portal
what is Guan Yu
solid cairn
The hidden spear aspect
solid portal
it looks terrible so it must be good
why would I want this
-70 health what?
what's the upside
solid cairn
At max level it is very punishing
cobalt field
spare yourself the titan blood
primal hazel
Ne er switch dd
unkempt scroll
-70% hp and healing
primal hazel
Unless gy maybe
solid cairn
Great special and spin attack
unkempt pagoda
gy's upside is big boy damage and lifesteal
primal hazel
I really like beowulf
solid portal
I don't use spin
solid cairn
Lifesteal isn’t even the best part
This spin is a projectile that does damage over time
unkempt scroll
You need to use spin for that aspect
solid portal
but probably have to max it out yea
primal hazel
Special builds
solid cairn
Combine Athena attack and it deletes projectiles
primal hazel
Definetly max it out
solid cairn
Which makes it a great defensive tool
unkempt scroll
Deflects*
cobalt field
you cant really use the charged spin without the hammer faster charging upgrade
solid cairn
If you get quick spin you win
unkempt scroll
I did. Almost won with 70% penalty :))
cobalt field
I tried it without the hammer upgrade. it was pain
solid portal
Well I don't want to invest the blood yet, I do LOVE the spear though
solid cairn
You know how good explosive launcher is right
cobalt field
I just unlocked the hidden sword aspect. Super hyped to get enough titan blood to unlock it
solid cairn
Well it is a very good special hammer
solid cairn
Guan yu pretty much has innate explosive launcher
solid portal
oh wow
proven osprey
GY is insane
solid cairn
Btw the special hitbox is way wider than it looks
I think it’s around the size of the sparks that come off it
unkempt scroll
When should I switch DD out with the other one?
cobalt field
what's your fav keepsake for malphons?
primal hazel
On GY maybe
willow fossil
When you feel like you need to @unkempt scroll
solid cairn
Nah
primal hazel
But I'd say never
willow fossil
Theres no specific situation
primal hazel
Personally
proven osprey
LC4, no ?
solid cairn
Switch to stubborn defiance on high heat only really
solid portal
well i do have 18 titan blood
primal hazel
^
solid cairn
Or if you struggle with beating hades without relying on tanking defiances
unkempt scroll
What's considered high heat?
solid cairn
So you can learn
solid portal
How much is GY maxed?
solid cairn
Uhh depends, 45+ maybe
unkempt scroll
-_-
unkempt pagoda
generally speaking, 32+ but the discord "leaderboard" here is 40+
primal hazel
3+3+3+4+5 right?
unkempt scroll
Discord leaderboard?
primal hazel
So 17 I think
solid cairn
I just unlocked the hidden sword aspect. Super hyped to get enough titan blood to unlock it
Arthur is an absolute beast
unkempt pagoda
GY maxed is 15
proven osprey
15, 3 per level
primal hazel
Ah k
hearty elbow
Discord leaderboard?
@unkempt scroll It's stickied in #h1-high-heat-strategies
proven osprey
yeah for hidden aspects
solid cairn
Arthur was like exactly what I wanted in this game
solid portal
OF COURSE off rip I get ahmmer and spin upgrade and didn't take GY lololool
darn it
proven osprey
what do you think about the auto aim (controller) ?
solid cairn
Busted on rail
solid cairn
Exactly
hearty elbow
Lol, busted how. The game is balanced around it
solid cairn
Ok so here’s how auto aim works
proven osprey
I play with it and I wonder if I should change
solid cairn
On keyboard and mouse, if you are aiming at any pixel of any enemy it centers it to the center pixel on that enemy
(I think)
On controller it just snaps to the closest target to where the stick is pointed
primal hazel
Auto aim is doable
solid cairn
I think it works like if an enemy is 50 degrees away from where the stick is pointed and another is 60 it will target the first one
And you can change targets
Keyboard and mouse has some advantages such as being able to aim your dash strikes wherever you want regardless of which direction you are moving
solid cairn
I urge you to give it a shot
solid cairn
You can’t aim the special right
solid cairn
Oh that’s why I have it on
proven osprey
yeah sure
primal hazel
You can still move special
willow fossil
In fact auto aim screw with mouse aiming
solid portal
which God gives the boon to bonus backstab?
primal hazel
And the snap is nifty
proven osprey
you can but you lose so much time
willow fossil
which God gives the boon to bonus backstab?
@solid portal chaos
solid cairn
I mean one of the best speed runners uses controller over mouse
primal hazel
I'm talking bout console dio
solid cairn
Not chaos, Athena
willow fossil
Chaos does too
But yeah athena exposed is good
Chaos is flat percentage regardless of exposed
hearty elbow
Most of the 40+ community is also gamepad gang.
opal lodge
i thought most of the speedrunners use controller over M&K
solid cairn
They do
willow fossil
Is preference
primal hazel
No
opal lodge
was it on pc early access?
solid cairn
For speedruns? No
primal hazel
willow fossil
Im talking in general
unkempt zephyr
Controller players have problems with Achilles special, special rail, special shield. and predicting shooting / throwing is almost impossible
willow fossil
^
solid cairn
What
primal hazel
And I'm talking || ...||
willow fossil
Omg
solid cairn
Special becomes way easier to aim
willow fossil
I hate you
solid cairn
You don’t even need to think about it
primal hazel
proven osprey
special becomes uncontrollable
solid cairn
You can still aim it
proven osprey
yeah but you waste precious seconds
solid cairn
In any case not even needing to think about it is a massive advantage
plush latch
for fists, do yall think demeter or zag aspect is better?
primal hazel
Preference
solid cairn
Even if it doesn’t go exactly where you want, you don’t have to put effort into aiming
proven osprey
guess it depends what you want to do with your special right
solid cairn
I have tried both
proven osprey
do you care about aiming with Eris tho
solid cairn
And controller is way better for me
You like don’t use special on the other rails so
solid cairn
I actually do use keyboard and mouse for nemesis aspect
willow fossil
I cant play with controller or auto aim
hearty elbow
do you care about aiming with Eris tho
@proven osprey I see this argument a lot. I have literally no issues aiming with Eris on controller. With Rail, the only issue I have with auto aim is aiming at Lucifer Hellfire blasts with multiple enemies around.
proven osprey
Not an argument, I'm asking
I wondered if you want to auto aim on enemies and dash in
hearty elbow
Shrug, I play Eris a lot, and obv I care about aiming it. I haven't noticed any issue or lack of control though.
proven osprey
or center the special on yourself to get the bonus
unkempt pagoda
the former
proven osprey
have not tried eris yet
hearty elbow
You typically want to aim the blast on the very edge of the enemy to clip them with it and dash into the radius on the furthest side to stay safe anyway.
solid portal
Ok not to side track here but spear is tearing through everyone with the spin I never used and I have 19 blood now so 1000% getting Guan Yu casuse I can't imagine this being any stronger
hearty elbow
It's extremely tedious to wait for the blast to hit youself by aiming at your own body
unkempt pagoda
plus it trains you for when you inevitably pick up rocket bomb anyways
unkempt pagoda
the blast is the exact same, rocket only changes base damage and method of aiming
it's actually a much faster boost than regular rail special, if you do it right
proven osprey
good to know
hearty elbow
Rocket Bomb forces you to play way closer but that's not too big of a deal anyway, but most importantly it gives you consistent single target burst
solid cairn
PSA: Never take spread fire with Zeus attack
unkempt pagoda
PSA: Never take spread fire with Zeus attack
can't relate, ap2 gamer here
solid cairn
Oh my god that must be terrible lol
hearty elbow
I suppose statistically someone has to want to take that pact or they would have removed it already lol
solid cairn
Which one
hearty elbow
AP2 lol
solid cairn
Remember budget cuts
unkempt pagoda
nah, when i tried to do my 50 heat eris attempts, i got AP'd into lightning spread fire an annoying amount of times lol
opal lodge
what was that one
solid cairn
You have a cap of darkness you can spend on mirror
They replaced it with routine inspection
unkempt pagoda
the first level was like, 2.5k darkness only
floral matrix
is it just me, or are Duos generally underwhelming?
unkempt pagoda
the current iteration is much nicer
floral matrix
like... parting shot, who cares about that
opal lodge
just you
hearty elbow
Just you lol
solid cairn
is it just me, or are Duos generally underwhelming?
Depends
Some are game changing, others are just there
Most are at least good
opal lodge
you need the boons to support the duo but parting shot esp works really well with athena cast
and if you have a decent amount of athena backstab bonuses it does insane dmg
solid cairn
Others are stubborn roots
hearty elbow
The absolute worst ones are still pretty solid. And even if your build doesn't synergize, you're still picking up 435 gold or whatever they're worth
floral matrix
Athena cast backstabs from the front
@solid cairn wut
opal lodge
please stop stubborn roots got me my first win lol
unkempt zephyr
is it just me, or are Duos generally underwhelming?
@floral matrix you use they wrong if think they underwhelming. they power overwhelming
opal lodge
but yeah stubborn roots trash
every other duo can be used effectively in some way/shape/form
proven osprey
backstab from the front sounds even more vicious
willow fossil
hearty elbow
Stubborn Roots is one of the weird keys to max heat lol
opal lodge
actually? LOL
solid cairn
Oh yeah cause SD
hearty elbow
It is very useless 99.99% of the time though, yes.
hearty elbow
You don't have lives on max heat
solid cairn
It does work
opal lodge
oh wow
unkempt pagoda
every other duo can be used effectively in some way/shape/form
freezing vortex would like a word
solid cairn
Is that the ares one
opal lodge
0
proven osprey
oh man
opal lodge
ares/dem
solid cairn
With Demeter
opal lodge
even stubborn roots has a purpose i for one am shocked
hearty elbow
You take Lucky Tooth, and you can then qualify for Stubborn Roots lol
opal lodge
@hearty elbow this is good tech
unkempt pagoda
hot take: ares/dem should've been a chill-centered boon that was called Cold War
hearty elbow
It's one of the few forms of sustain possible at 63/64 heat
floral matrix
it might be because I've been running only Hestia for the last week or so lul, so I use cast only for the %dmg bonus and I avoid Artemis cause I prefer to stack Doom or Weak
opal lodge
@unkempt pagoda would have liked to see this one instead of literal blades go brrr
floral matrix
alright then it's just me
hearty elbow
Stack Doom... on Hestia?
proven osprey
Doom on hestia seems interesting at least
solid cairn
No
unkempt pagoda
doom on hestia seems like a waste
opal lodge
oop
solid cairn
Doom is a trap
floral matrix
well, not stack doom, but take doom on attack + %doom dmg
proven osprey
how are you supposed to clear anything
solid cairn
A lot of ares boons are traps
unkempt pagoda
takes no advantage of hestia's high base damage
floral matrix
Doom is good cause Hestia means you're waiting for it to proc
but yes you get no multipliers because of that
solid cairn
Looking at you urge to kill
opal lodge
trueeeee
floral matrix
urge to kill isn't that much
hearty elbow
Right, but you have 150 base damage. That's A LOT
It must be modified. Hestia demands it.
solid cairn
I mean new players may think it’s multiplicative
floral matrix
but look, Doom does flat damage on every weapon - if you take it on a high attack speed, it's wasted, if you take it on a high base damage low attack speed, then it's not a multiplier
ergo Doom is weapon independent
solid cairn
Doom is kind of a flawed status, you may think you should use it on slower moves, but on those a damage boon is usually better
opal lodge
when you get an ares boon and have to choose between curse of vengeance, urge to kill and blood frenzy
:^)
unkempt pagoda
using a base 150 damage attack... as a doom applier? wasteful
shadow ridge
Against redacted, sometimes my cast goes into the lake on the top right of the screen and I can't grab my cast back, is that normal?
hearty elbow
Doom is great though lol. Just not on stuff like Hestia.
solid cairn
Doom is just kinda mediocre
opal lodge
that can happen @shadow ridge
shadow ridge
That's really frustrating
solid cairn
What
opal lodge
it'll float back to you after a bit
proven osprey
It has some panache not gonna lie
solid cairn
I mean outside of merciful end
hearty elbow
I do mean outside of merciful end
opal lodge
CoL can be nice as a budget replacement for ME but it doesnt really compare
hearty elbow
The reason ME got nerfed is because Curse of Agony is by itself the highest single target DPS boon on Malphon.
shadow ridge
That is a shame @opal lodge , I had a build where most of my damage came from casts and it was a sad time because of that
solid cairn
What would I put doom on besides like chaos special
floral matrix
your math is flawed, Doom is the same on everything, the only exception is applying it on multiple targets at the same time, and then Hestia or not doesn't matter
rocket gun special is a good doom applier
or any gun special
opal lodge
@shadow ridge yeah lucky for me i also got lightningrod that run so it still did some damage
but i guess thats the downside with infernal soul
unkempt pagoda
chiron and rama special, cluster bomb for the sheer existence of dire misfortune
proven osprey
zeus special, funny one
floral matrix
or spear bouncy mod special
floral matrix
rama?
shadow ridge
I just run infernal soul at the moment because I'm maxing out all my keepsakes so I don't influence what I get much.
hearty elbow
Because it has 5 base damage and has free ricochets
solid cairn
I meant Chiron
shadow ridge
Almost done though
opal lodge
doom just doesn't make the most sense on hestia but you can play however you want in this game tbh
floral matrix
if you do the math then doom really makes the same sense
opal lodge
@shadow ridge i get it i respect the grind
solid cairn
Curse of longing Chiron seems interesting I will say that
hearty elbow
Oh, Chiron is the same problem as Hestia, but at least you can meme with Dire Misfortune
opal lodge
ok i guess i havent done the math then 🙂
shadow ridge
I need to start paying more attention when climbing heat, all the extra upgrades and free stuff made me pretty complacent.
floral matrix
Basically, Doom has a damage ceiling and you cannot exceed it with any weapon
hearty elbow
Curse of Nausea or Low Tolerance Chiron is fine. Drunken Flourish + Ares/Aphro attacks
solid cairn
Dio special on Chiron was kind of underperforming for me and Idk why
opal lodge
do you just switch targets as soon as you tag something once with that?
solid cairn
Heart rend was doing way better
hearty elbow
I didn't say it was the best option lol
I said it was fine
As in, the concept works.
unkempt pagoda
rama special ricochets, has little value in and of itself, and dire misfortune exists
shadow ridge
I still need to collect all the companions. I just got one other than Dusa's. I had a lot of runs where I just had barely any nectar to give so I backlogged myself a lot.
opal lodge
@shadow ridge nectar can definitely be the bottleneck there
shadow ridge
I'm almost done giving nectars
opal lodge
you can also trade 5 keys for nectar if you have an abundance of keys
hearty elbow
Still in the process of collecting 100 Nectars lol
Vendored most of them in Blood Price for Ambrosia
opal lodge
lol same
opal lodge
im at like 70 something now
hearty elbow
I'm at the sacred number.
floral matrix
I tried Poseidon on Hestia, and then Aphrodite, and I didn't feel a lot of difference with my attack bonuses stacked up in comparison to Doom on it, most targets die in the same number of shots. Actually the most important thing seems to be the Ares kill chain boon... thirst for blood? +200% bonus damage after kill on Epic rarity
opal lodge
its to the point where i'll take a nectar room over almost anything
unkempt zephyr
Still in the process of collecting 100 Nectars lol
@hearty elbow Realy?dont like catche fish?)
floral matrix
Also Athena dash + deflect damage boost >>>>>
solid cairn
Were you actually doing shoot reload shoot reload
opal lodge
you're cappin
floral matrix
yeah
hearty elbow
@unkempt zephyr I took the 10 Nectar -> 1 Ambrosia trade from the Wretched Broker every time
willow fossil
If you're not speedrunning and have a lot of time you can literally start each encounter full hp with stubborn defiance and stubborn roots
unkempt zephyr
Oh....roger that. @hearty elbow
floral matrix
I shoot reload dash to cancel the reload anim, its ready immediately after one dash, every two shots you weave a special in
solid cairn
Do you have Artemis dash
floral matrix
nah Athena cause I'm a scrub
solid cairn
Oh that’s the big thing, Artemis dash makes the power shot do double damage
Well not double
Just way more base damage
proven osprey
yeah it's great
solid cairn
That is what pushes it over the edge
floral matrix
I'm so used to Athena dash by now it would be like losing a leg
opal lodge
its something nuts like +70% dash attack or smth
floral matrix
probably get killed by Asterius or something lul
shadow ridge
I almost never pick up athena dash
solid cairn
They call it a crutch for a reason
opal lodge
if you live by the athena dash you die by the athena dash as well
solid cairn
Poseidon dash is pretty good
proven osprey
btw about athena dash, do you get more iframes ? it seems like you do
opal lodge
i love poseidon dash
floral matrix
also the cheeky build on Hestia might be Poseidon attack with bonus wall slam damage, if you line them up consistently, because of how far the push goes on Hestia
solid cairn
It can be a good supplement to damage
opal lodge
still have the screencap where i did 427 with eris poseidon dash
LOL
wave pounding and everything on top of it
floral matrix
I think athena dash gives you a wide deflect aoe so you effectively evade more than you normally would
solid cairn
btw about athena dash, do you get more iframes ? it seems like you do
@proven osprey the big thing is unlike normal dash strikes you can basically have I frames with dash striking
proven osprey
yeah
opal lodge
wait wym by that
floral matrix
and it makes sword specials more comfortable cause you can dash-deflect during the animation
solid cairn
When you dash strike you lose I frames
proven osprey
I knew that
opal lodge
normally
solid cairn
But with Athena dash you basically get the I frames you would normally have even if you dash strike
proven osprey
hm
shadow ridge
I regret fully leveling arthur
solid cairn
So outside of speedruns on dash strike builds like nemesis you want Athena dash
solid cairn
I regret fully leveling arthur
Wuuuuut
floral matrix
but how else am I gonna get Theseus to stab his own bum?
shadow ridge
solid cairn
Charm
opal lodge
i love dash striking hot wheels
opal lodge
@shadow ridge you dont like big numbers
proven osprey
I hate how it plays
@shadow ridge I did not like it first, you'll get to know the weapon better dw
solid cairn
I guess some people just don’t like not taking damage
opal lodge
gameplay
shadow ridge
It feels far too slow when I'm playing on certain heat parameters
solid cairn
I beat it on 32 just fine
opal lodge
the secret to going fast with arthur is getting big cleave on the room
you want to be using dashes to set up hits and hit multiple targets with each swing
solid cairn
Most people aren’t even going to play high enough heat where it falls off
shadow ridge
And the hammer upgrade is the lamest out of all the weapons
solid cairn
Greater consecration is really good
shadow ridge
It's really boring
opal lodge
sword hammers in general arent amazing outside of the double dash strike one
solid cairn
Most hammers aren’t the most interesting
More damage to armor isn’t very interesting but it’s really good
shadow ridge
yea sword hammers are probably the ones I skip the most I think
opal lodge
i usually just end up taking the greater consecration and the money slice
hoarding slash
solid cairn
On nemesis take a hammer every time
solid cairn
On what aspect
opal lodge
on arthur
proven osprey
stonks slice
opal lodge
on arthur i usually go for stonks slice and greater consecration
solid cairn
You want shadow slash
opal lodge
on nemesis it's the dash strike one all the way
shadow ridge
the game keeps giving me thirst on fists every odd run. The game really wants me to play fists
solid cairn
Beefy backstabs
opal lodge
ah true that one is good too
i feel like it gets offered to me less than stonks slice though
also whenever i play sword i get offered cursed slash :^)
solid cairn
The best way to build Arthur for damage is Athena attack, Artemis special, Aphrodite dash and get heart rend and deadly reversal
floral matrix
how does one even play fists without dying
solid cairn
Merciful end
solid cairn
opal lodge
merciful end is nuts
finally broke 11 minutes getting ME and DR in asphodel
need to get in single digits
shadow ridge
I would try the other aspects I don't have leveled but it's really expensive and takes a while to farm
floral matrix
oh yeah merciful end is nuts
shadow ridge
I still need to fully level a spear aspect outside of zagreus
solid cairn
Level Achilles or guan yu
opal lodge
@shadow ridge for farming i just sent it over and over again with my best aspect on progressively higher heats
each run gives you 2 titans blood
solid cairn
Hades is a worse spin aspect than gy lol
shadow ridge
I've just been buying the titan blood when it shows up in the temple shop
although I wish it wasn't there because it's like
It's a diamond cool I get to spend my gold on NOT the diamond
It's a titan blood zzzzz
opal lodge
yeah it's pretty rare but sometimes shows up for 15 keys
floral matrix
if you save up all your gold until then and get the hermes 10g per room boon you can wipe the shop easy
solid portal
is that how you farm blood or no
shadow ridge
Wish there was a better way to track gold urns. I miss a ton on asphodel because then maps are too big
solid portal
still too expensive from there?
opal lodge
you can also run all tunnels if you arent afraid of dying
also you if you have fated authority you can change the miniboss tunnels into gold
and get 200g + urns from those two
shadow ridge
I've gotten used to running persuasion instead, it seems better to me
shadow ridge
because if I get boons I don't like, I press the button
and then rage because I don't get the boons I want at the rarity I want them
solid cairn
Don’t be picky with rarity
floral matrix
I like when I press the button and then 2/3 are the same
mossy light
i like fated persuasion, also saving my money for styx blood/diamonds
solid cairn
For the most part if you see the boon you want you should take it
Regardless of rarity
opal lodge
at this point ive learned to be happy with a common curse of agony as long as it means i see athena in tartarus too
floral matrix
and then make sure you visit Eurydice
solid cairn
Because there are far better ways to use rerolls
Honestly I usually don’t take the rarity boost
opal lodge
do you take the nectar or pom then
floral matrix
eh, worth a try
solid cairn
Pom 90% of the time
floral matrix
if my main boon scales better it's worth
solid cairn
Unless I literally only have 2 boons it can hit
floral matrix
otherwise I get stuck with a heroic athena dash for the memes
opal lodge
you dont take nectar?
solid cairn
If I want a duo or legendary sometimes I take nectar
mossy light
i cant tell if medusa is supposed to be a pogchamp or surprised pikachu
opal lodge
but it ends with +3 dashes so i cant complain
eager grail
is crystal beam better than mistral dash from demeter?
shadow ridge
I really like crystal beam but it rarely works out for me
opal lodge
crystal beam never felt good for me unless i got crystal clarity from artemis/dem
but maybe others have had more success
mossy light
crystal beam gets better when youre desperate for something or trying to unlock duo boons
eager grail
which should i choose (first time unlocking demeter)?
opal lodge
try crystal beam if you havent yet maybe you'll enjoy it
shadow ridge
choose the cast, it will make things more interesting
mossy light
demeter attack and dash are solid
eager grail
cool thanks everyone
jaunty locust
ok I'm trying the hidden shield aspect so far
I'm gettin' the feels of it
oh, Lykathe: you want to use dash-charging to stay mobile
so I got passion flare, a chaos boon that increases cast damage, and I snagged an atlas braid, so I am seeing how this is a PHEONOMONALLY powerful single-target thing
lethal chasm
beowulf is fantastic imo
i dont use it as much as i should tho >_> idk why lol
thx figured the dash thing was integral
trying to figure it out
you dash into a charge or dash out
exotic storm
Hey everybody! I’m new here— I had a question about rarity. What are the benefits of upgrading your current boons to the next rarity ?
lethal chasm
higher pom percentages i believe
i dont think it changes the number as it changes rarity
i just did rare crop
and it did not
cunning ibex
I have the chance to sell dire misfortune
im in styx. and my special is too slow to actually stack doom
should i hold out for doom attack or just sell it
lethal chasm
prolllly sell it
IMO
doom stack builds have to be built pretty long imo
have done then more than most other
exotic storm
@lethal chasm Ohh, I understand— thanks Lykathe!
willow fossil
The higher the rarity, the better scaling
opal lodge
how do you mitigate the terrible charge time on beo
i like using it
i just felt like it was easy to get stuck
calm saddle
lethal chasm
get a little more distance and charge proactively instead of as reactively
atomic cedar
Does thunder flourish hit 5 times with aspect of demeter?
lethal chasm
i wonder that aswell
solid portal
Is that avatar OPM eating ramen?
lethal chasm
i would imagine bc i think it applies 5 frost stacks
solid portal
cause that is awesome
atomic cedar
yeah
unkempt pagoda
Does thunder flourish hit 5 times with aspect of demeter?
no, thunder flourish has an internal cooldown
dem hits too fast
lethal chasm
oh word
why do ppl take acorn o_O
seems like broken tooth or spearhead is always better
mossy light
huhhm, dio+art duo boon for art aid is pretty good
lethal chasm
hm i suppose so
tawdry sleet
What's a good build to aim for with Chiron bow? Any duo's that are best suited?
lethal chasm
em3
lol
crit
chiron
is my record 17 mins
just crit special gogogo
and the duo that has more crit on weak..? i forget ;x
tawdry sleet
So weak attack, crit special?
lethal chasm
i THINK
tawdry sleet
That makes sense 
calm saddle
ares attack also isnt bad
jaunty locust
ooooooh unyielding defense!!!! How does charged shot worth with the Naegling board
jaunty locust
yyyyyyes