Spread fire on Zeus attack is pretty bad
#h1-builds-and-combat
solid cairn
wicked horizon
Artemis dash for sure
unkempt pagoda
so you use damage modifier gods on it
cosmic jacinth
how many shots does shot gun gun shoot if a shot gun gun could shoot 10
wicked horizon
It's the same rate of fire only you need to reload more
cosmic jacinth
i mean with actual bullets
wicked horizon
Yeah with zag you do so much per clip
solid cairn
Oh spread fire used to be waaaay better
solid cairn
People were beating the game in 5 minutes
cosmic jacinth
soo gun easiest win?
wicked horizon
Geez
cosmic jacinth
with spread
solid cairn
Not really
cosmic jacinth
i feel sad for retro since he missed shot gun gun with maxed zag
solid cairn
Reto?
solid cairn
Nice
cosmic jacinth
soo what does the lucifer aspect do
solid cairn
Uhh I don’t watch his hades stuff because I feel like I’m gonna end up cringing since he isn’t super good
unkempt pagoda
soo what does the lucifer aspect do
get outclassed by eris
cosmic jacinth
hah u would be shiver in your grave if you saw me play then XD
solid cairn
Lucifer attack does similar damage to the other rails but has a bad special
It used to be really good
unkempt pagoda
jk it fires a laser and has a continual special
solid cairn
I don’t remember what they nerfed about it
I checked the leaderboards and with pre nerf spread Vorime beat the game in less than 5 minutes IGT
wicked horizon
soo what does the lucifer aspect do
@cosmic jacinth mostly it's kinda weird. ||Attack is a continuous beam that ramps up damage over time. Full clip does like 375 base damage? It doesn't stagger or pop projectiles tho. Special drops a fire orb that radiates damage every second or so and briefly staggers. Attacking it or spawning a fourth causes it to explode for fairly high damage based on aspect level||
cosmic jacinth
sooo it trash?
solid cairn
Not bad
unkempt pagoda
it's eh
solid cairn
Just not really worth using over eris
wicked horizon
I wouldn't say trash, but Eris and Hestia are better imo
unkempt pagoda
it's good but there are better aspects
wicked horizon
It also has weird hammers
solid cairn
Although Eris may be the best aspect in the game so it’s tough competition
wicked horizon
Like none of the regular hammers apply
For the attack at least
A few of the special ones do (triple shot I know does)
solid cairn
The main issue with Lucifer and where eris wins is lack of special hammers
Get a rocket or cluster and Eris does waaaaaay more
wicked horizon
Get both and your enemies get rekt
solid cairn
Rocket cluster is the dream for speedruns
unkempt pagoda
lucy hazard bomb gamers wya
wicked horizon
I wish the anvil was better there's some triple hammers I'd love to be able to get (rocket cluster triple for instance)
opal lodge
how does rocket work with eris do you jsut point blank shoot
unkempt pagoda
yes
solid cairn
Every time I have taken anvil on sword I got cursed slash
wicked horizon
Yeah you have to be close to absorb it
opal lodge
word
unkempt pagoda
the blast itself is the same, rocket only changes the base damage and method of aiming
unkempt pagoda
it's actually a much faster boost if you're willing to get close to enemies
solid cairn
And it’s way better I think
opal lodge
does cluster still fire in that spread
solid cairn
The best hammer for Eris
solid cairn
Yes it shoots a few rockets
wicked horizon
Cluster rocket fires in a spread but if you're close to the enemy they all just explode immediately for insane damage
opal lodge
nice
solid cairn
I remember I was iffy about rocket
wicked horizon
If there's not someone near it looks kinda like bow special
opal lodge
not sure im ready to give up delta chamber but gotta freshen things up somehow
solid cairn
It’s insanely good
opal lodge
will give it a go
solid cairn
Eris is just absurdly good
unkempt pagoda
my best eris build that won me a 32 heat was cluster targeting system
solid cairn
After Zeus attack you can do anything
unkempt pagoda
with doom special
wicked horizon
Is it possible to get rocket with hazard bomb?
solid cairn
I think so but if not it should
opal lodge
eris with hazard bomb 
willow fossil
i love that hypnos emote 
unkempt pagoda
if you dash at the right time, hazard bomb won't hurt you and you'll still get the bonus
it's a difficult tech that i'm not sure actually has use, but try it out
opal lodge
wiki says incompatible
solid cairn
You wouldn’t even be able to I frame it in time
But as a weapon it would be safer than normal I think
unkempt pagoda
test it out for us
solid cairn
It’s a 2 round burst I think
cosmic jacinth
i think it may be a 2
solid cairn
You want to be dashing all the time
strong aurora
How do you rate the gold sword build? The one where you get additional damage based on 5% of your current gold. Last run i got to like 2100 and was THIS close to defeating Hades
strong aurora
I don't consider it that, it's pretty nice at dealing damage
solid cairn
If you get flurry slash it can work
unkempt pagoda
you specifically have to be building and planning for it, which isn't amazing for an upgrade
solid cairn
Not a great upgrade at that
strong aurora
Aight
solid cairn
Sword hammers are pretty lacking overall, what were you using it with
strong aurora
The hammer that gives you 2hp every attack hit but reduces health by 60% and some other stuff
strong aurora
The lifesteal hammer brought me to Hades on my 4th run
solid cairn
It’s not very great
strong aurora
I see
solid cairn
It is only useable on Arthur
And even then that attacks pretty slow so the healing is only good when you’re hitting multiple things
cosmic jacinth
HAH i lost arun bc of life steal
cosmic jacinth
i find the piercing wave op af
lethal chasm
: D
solid cairn
i find the piercing wave op af
No
cosmic jacinth
its good
solid cairn
It is 30 damage, not scaled by anything
cosmic jacinth
tho
cosmic jacinth
also have you seen it with flurry hits
solid cairn
Yes and I am not impressed
solid cairn
Yes but the extra damage to armor would work better with that
It’s not bad it’s just not very impactful
cosmic jacinth
because if it is boring i start playing reaaaaaaaaally bad
strong aurora
Yeah, fun is what matters
solid cairn
I don’t really find much stuff in this game boring
Mostly it’s just some stuff is awkward to use
unkempt pagoda
yes
robust anchor
yes in my opinion
robust anchor
do u have aph attack
rugged wave
yeah
robust anchor
aph leg
rugged wave
ok thanks
robust anchor
that is juicy
rugged wave
can legendaries be pommed?
rugged wave
ok I wasn't sure if the chance was just super low or something
vicious cycle or curse of drowning
?
half crater
you can absolutely pom splitting bolt
rugged wave
I have ares dash
half crater
unless they changed that
unkempt pagoda
oh
i was thinking how you had both slicing shot and flood shot lol
anyways, CoD
still vigil
if legendaries and duos could be pommed 
unkempt pagoda
you can absolutely pom splitting bolt
this was fixed, and was never intended
still vigil
i wonder how game breaking it would be if hammers could be pommed XD
rugged wave
lol thesus just killed bull for me
half crater
what would that even mean
half the hammers don’t even have an obvious way they could be pommed
like twin shot
what, does a pom grant a third shot? seems balanced
rugged wave
does cast dmg on flood shot apply to curse of drowning?
nvm
whats a good cast for hera?
hazy slate
i think dionysus is a good cast for hera
opal lodge
poseidon is also good
athena is also good
if you go for athena getting aphrodite also gets you access to parting shot
which gives your cast all backstab bonuses
rugged wave
damn you right forgot about parting shot
opal lodge
or you could go poseidon and try to get mirage shot
with something like flood shot -> deadly flourish -> mirage shot
as a bonus if the game throws exit wounds/pp/support fire your way getting 2/3 lets you get artemis' legendary, which gives you 2 extra bloodstones
very good, not very reliable
rugged wave
I went with trippy flare so imma just see where this takes me
opal lodge
nice
rugged wave
might have messed up by taking aphro attack though
opal lodge
its always fun to get trippy flare and the demeter/zeus duos
to get chilling festive fog that also lightning strikes
rugged wave
yeah ill see if I can get a natural
cosmic jacinth
guys we need a f in chat
mossy light
F. I just got here. what for?
cosmic jacinth
i just no hitted hades untill his second phase and he was at half hp then i took four hits feels bad hades feeeels bad
mossy light
did you win?
bitter cape
Does anyone have tips for beating Charon boat lad?
willow fossil
learn his attacks, they hit hard, but are easy to dodge
orchid marlin
So how do I make a good Demeter cast build. I've seen a lot of people love it but I have yet to make it work, it's honestly the worst cast for me, even with upgraded boons
robust anchor
get art dem duo
orchid marlin
Is that the only thing that makes it worth picking? I was going for that but it didn't wanna drop
orchid marlin
Gotcha thanks, will probably avoid then as it's way too rng dependent
willow fossil
remember you can summon gods and reroll the choices
making it easier for you to shape your build
orchid marlin
Yeah I tried that but ran out of rerolls lol
sweet blade
What does the aspect of hera do? I don't really get what it does from the ingame explanation
willow fossil
so when you cast, instead of shooting the cast, it will load the cast into the weapon, shooting together with your next attack
doing the dmg
so you can stack multiple cast with infernal soul for some fun and op combos
sweet blade
oho
willow fossil
bitter cape
Do things like blade rift still happen or no?
unkempt pagoda
the only thing that hera inherently changes is where the cast is shot from
all casts still act the exact same otherwise (aside from the decreased dislodge time, of course)
sharp anvil
On Chiron, what is more damage on special, +3 base dmg per arrow, or +4 arrows
I know you want both, but if you can only take one, which one is it?
untold vortex
+3 base damage on paper (assuming all the arrows hit)
untold vortex
it works out to be +~108 base damage if all the arrows hit
sharp anvil
Thanks
sharp anvil
And does +4 arrows lengthen the animation of the special?
cunning urchin
No.
robust anchor
no
grim loom
does nourished soul interact with stubborn roots...?
forest ether
someone said something about how I had to try Zag Fists with Plume a few days ago, just wanted to give them a huge 👍 and thank them. New favorite setup
robust anchor
how much of this game u guys play per day
willow fossil
too much
unkempt pagoda
i don't play as much as i used to but that's because i spend my time in this server instead lol
grim loom
im currently paused still wondering if anyone knows anything abt that interaction lol
robust anchor
not sure
cunning urchin
It does not.
grim loom
cool cool, good to know
cunning urchin
Stubborn Roots is also unaffected by Lasting Consequences.
robust anchor
is onion affected by lq
cunning urchin
LC, and yes.
hallow parcel
so i unlocked the hidden aspect for the bow and i'm not sure what are good hammers and boons to go with it. i only realized near the end that explosive shot goes well with the attack but i'm not sure what boons to go with it. poseidon perhaps?
unkempt pagoda
one sec i have indepth messages about this
unkempt pagoda
Attack Rama:
- Artemis or Aphrodite attack (but any damage modifier god works)
- Twin is the go-to, but Triple also works (you need to be closer to shotgun with it)
- Chain snowballs Shared Suffering very well
- Point-Blank is amazing on its own but beautiful with Twin or Triple
- Explosive is risky but does a whoooooooole lot of damage
- Perfect is, well, perfect. Patches up Rama's slow charge time and is a great hammer choice regardless
- don't use sniper or repulse* lol
(*repulse might be good actually we need more time)
Special Rama (assuming you're just gonna spam special):
- Dionysus (wants Hangover-related duo boons) or Zeus (wants to focus down Zeus)
- Doom can also work if you invest some more into Dire Misfortune and Impending Doom
- Relentless, obviously
- You want Swift Flourish
- You can hold down the Special button to machine gun! Take advantage of this so you don't get carpal tunnel
Hybrid Rama:
- Relentless + any of the aforementioned attack hammers above (usually just Twin)
- Damage modifier on attack, Zeus or Dio on special (Dio is better at DC breaking, plus if you use Privileged Status)
- Otherwise, build like Attack Rama
- Go to town
hallow parcel
thank you so much! 😊
explosive does more damage than i thought and i absolutely shredded hades with it xD thank you for the tip!
still vigil
i came in at the right time so thank you as well
unkempt pagoda
if you're gonna use your attack at all, always always always use your special to set up shared suffering
hallow parcel
yes! i've been doing that
unkempt pagoda
at max, that's a 1.6 multiplier per enemy hit
hallow parcel
oh i haven't gotten round to maxing any aspects yet LOL i'm still like. 50 hours in ... around there
but thank you nonetheless!
unkempt pagoda
👍 no problem!
dry ember
You just do
unkempt pagoda
you spam it
cosmic jacinth
but damage so LOW
dry ember
Not really
cosmic jacinth
6?
unkempt pagoda
that's why you put zeus or dio on it
cosmic jacinth
is that low or not XD
unkempt pagoda
don't rely on the special's damage, get the other gods to do damage for you
cosmic jacinth
but last time i went dio it was not sooo good
dry ember
Maybe give it another shot?
unkempt pagoda
dry ember
People have cleared 48 heat with spec Rama
hearty elbow
Lol, @unkempt pagoda , you really want to make Repulse Shot happen, don't you?
dry ember
So it's def viable
unkempt pagoda
hearty elbow
I did 49 with like 75% special rama lol
unkempt pagoda
i have faith in tail
cosmic jacinth
wut is repulse shot good for??
hearty elbow
But if Tail is the only one who can use it doesn't that make it more likely that Tail is good enough to make the worst hammer good, instead of the worst hammer being good because Tail can use it?
cosmic jacinth
taaail??
spare scaffold
How do I use Hades aspect spear against, well Hades
unkempt pagoda
i feel like tail is the only one who has used it
cosmic jacinth
wu8ts tail
hearty elbow
wut is repulse shot good for??
@cosmic jacinth Well, if you assemble Repulse + Sniper Shot you have one sexy Anvil coming right up
spare scaffold
He moves too fast for me to be able to spin and proc skill
cunning urchin
@hearty elbow it means git gud. 
cosmic jacinth
quick spin
spare scaffold
I have no problems with anyone except for Hades with Hades spear
unkempt pagoda
how do we know if it's one or the other when only tail has done the test?
spare scaffold
Right, is that hammer my only hope 
cunning urchin
Tailesque.
cosmic jacinth
??
hearty elbow
Tailesque is the current record holder for heat and Rama
unkempt pagoda
tailesque, did a 54 heat run with rama repulse shot
unkempt pagoda
😛
hearty elbow
You are correct.
cunning urchin
Repulse Shot was used for the high heat WR, so it's the best hammer in the game.
cosmic jacinth
xdddddd
cunning urchin
That's how those things work.
cosmic jacinth
if ur a god at least
cosmic jacinth
bruh bruhy XD
dry ember
It's just logic
cunning urchin
That's a good point. I should get hit more.
unkempt pagoda
tail ate 75 damage from a wave 😎
hearty elbow
He also had the Infinite theme, so game is confirmed pay to win
unkempt pagoda
therefore, you must wave to win
dry ember
I mean the game is literally pay to win
dry ember
If you don't pay, you can't win
cosmic jacinth
afterp aying darkness
hearty elbow
I wonder if he senses our meme energy @mighty ermine
cosmic jacinth
so u are sleeping fox XD
hearty elbow
It's 2 where I'm at
dry ember
Ayy
cosmic jacinth
how u talk
dry ember
East coast?
cunning urchin
He's dreaming of doing barrel rolls.
hearty elbow
yeah
unkempt pagoda
central gang wya
hearty elbow
He's dreaming of doing barrel rolls.
@cunning urchin While also doing barrel rolls
unkempt pagoda
the prodigal child returns
cunning urchin
@mighty ermine go to sleep.
dry ember
Tail go to bed
mighty ermine
I'm awake I just was dreaming of doing barr- hello
unkempt pagoda
tail stay awake
dry ember
It's late baby girl
unkempt pagoda
play more repulse shot rama
still vigil
hiiya
cosmic jacinth
wut XD
dry ember
Go take your beauty sleep, love ya
hearty elbow
play more repulse shot rama
@unkempt pagoda Lol, I'm concerned that you continuing to say stuff like that will convince people who don't know better that this a real thing that you're describing, and not a fever dream
unkempt pagoda
we need more data
cunning urchin
Why git gud when you can take Repulse Shot and win?
cosmic jacinth
we do need more data
still vigil
why take repulse shot and win when you can take twin shot and gg
unkempt pagoda
twin shot bad 0/10
unkempt pagoda
blast wave go brrr
still vigil
i did not come on this server to be attacked fer speakin the gospel truth
mighty ermine
I lost all my attempts with twin shot and won with the attempt that had repulse instead. The data doesn't lie!
still vigil
all shall not to Hades except through twin shot
cunning urchin
Twin Shot sounds nice in theory, but how are you gonna tell the twins apart? It's just confusing.
unkempt pagoda
why have twins when you could have triplets?
cunning urchin
Because that's more expensive.
still vigil
why have triplets when you can have bullets?
cunning urchin
They want food and stuff.
lethal chasm
does guan yu have a health regen mechanic..?
unkempt pagoda
yes
lethal chasm
ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
unkempt pagoda
it's in the tooltip
cunning urchin
It has lifesteal on its spin attack.
dry ember
Ok people be memeing, but for sake of clarity, Twin Shot >> Repulse Shot, for the record.
cosmic jacinth
XD
dry ember
Go take twinsies pbs
dry ember
But if you are a real epic gamer
still vigil
rama is slow period
dry ember
You take Repulse Shot
cunning urchin
What if Repulse Shot is better than Twin Shot for the simple fact that it doesn't reduce your range to essentially melee.
still vigil
someone try explosive shot + repulse shot
unkempt pagoda
essentially melee is how you should be playing the bow anyways
still vigil
Chiron has entered the chat
sniper shot exists
still vigil
get it?
dry ember
No
still vigil
dry ember
Explain it. Dissect your joke
modest sigil
Can we gain gold from the cthonic coin purse while under the chaos boon that prevents us from getting gold
I assume no but I dont want to test it and find out
still vigil
you can always die and start the run over again
cunning urchin
No.
forest ether
Imagine using the coin purse
unkempt pagoda
what if i want to go to the mall?
cunning urchin
Coin Purse is great.
toxic wolf
ey so I've seen speedrunners and the like use meg on the final boss
I can't use meg on the final boss
what's up with that
cunning urchin
You'll unlock that eventually.
mossy light
100 hours in and ive discovered that the best way to not get hit by hades is to dash away from him.
cunning urchin
If you run perpendicular to him, his spear thrust can never hit you.
Makes things a lot easier in phase 1.
mossy light
im trying to do the stubborn defiance thingie for the fated list
i should just unlock guan yu first
hell mode has been 10 hours of me unlearning my bad habits in normal mode
forest ether
Stubborn Defiance really forces you to learn, which I actually liked when I was doing the prophecy. I just wish that it gave you more HP back, 3xDD is just objectively better and more forgiving than SD
mossy light
i did normal mode up to 16 heat and completed the lists and stuff. but doing it on hell mode is... challenging.
forest ether
I haven’t played or looked at Hell Mode yet, what’s the difference? I know it gives you the PoP right away but that’s about it
mossy light
like, i can just tank crap on normal. on hell i dont have that luxury. combine that with stubborn and im eating dirt
barren otter
with SD it's best to go for as much max health as possible, every centaur heart is essentially another 8 hp restored when you die, which can add up.
mossy light
removes your mercy invulnerability
and gives you a rank of enemy damage, enemy life, reduced heal, and enemy spawns
forest ether
Jeeeeeez
mossy light
so multihit enemy attacks are near lethal
and if you get shotgunned by a splitter attack you explode.
which is funny the first time.
forest ether
When I start doing post-H16 content I might switch across to SD, I’m pretty confident with all the bosses even with EM4 but I haven’t tinkered much with ad modifiers outside of Jury Summons
forest ether
Yeah I got my first EM4/H16 clear for my last run of the night
mossy light
i had a 32 heat run get to styx and die, so i got pissed, deleted my mainsave and started hell
forest ether
Hahaaaaaa
mossy light
i think ill just turn off stubborn for now and focus on getting my regular clears and getting comfortable
forest ether
Fair
forest ether
When I got that prophecy done I just dumped all the blood into Zag Fists because I had heard that comboing it with Plume made for really interesting and fast runs
mossy light
i probably just need one good rail run or hera bow 
forest ether
3 attempts later I got that EM4/H16 clear
mossy light
plume?
forest ether
+1.2% dodge and movespeed every time you clear an encounter within a time constraint
mossy light
ahhh
i still havent evolved past cthonic purse+god trinkets
so what did you do for H16?
forest ether
EM4, 1 Jury Summons and double Armored Mods
mossy light
benefits package 2 is gonna be real mean for you, though the speedup one might be bearable
forest ether
Ye Benefits Package is what I did
mossy light
32 heat is where crap gets real
mossy light
god i hate BP2
unkempt pagoda
same 💔
void fjord
its fun lol
forest ether
That was an entirely out-of-pocket jump for me too, went from EM3H6 straight to that lmao
void fjord
yea
forest ether
I had done an H8 with Hades Spear somewhere before that, definitely has the most clears on it
void fjord
the only time i utterly hate it is when in tartarus the combination of clones and the blackhole thing around enemies
forest ether
I haven’t tried Demeter fists in an actual run yet, did a couple with Talos before I got my 8 pack of blood and maxed out the default ones
void fjord
otherwise its pretty ok (for me)
demeter aspect is one of the aspects where its much better at higher levels
forest ether
On one stage I had cloning splitters, lost all 3 lives before clearing and got my boy Patroclus immediately after
Almost busted a fat one
void fjord
lol nice
mossy light
patroculus is amazing
forest ether
Correction cloning teleport splitters
void fjord
BP2 is one of the reasons why i run stubborn defiance exclusively
splitters?
ah the witches
void fjord
to me i consider them easier then asphodel witches
forest ether
They’re easier when they aren’t cloning and teleporting constantly
mossy light
once you really gitgud most people swap to SD then?
void fjord
well im considering without BP2
forest ether
Having 12 big orbs flying at me from every direction
void fjord
with BP2 its all rng
forest ether
Ye
austere shadow
Does Charon's keepsake also increase the duration of fishing lures
mossy light
wait, those have durations? i thought it just spawns a fish on the next screen
wide plover
their duration is: until spawn
i.e. the fish is generated in the next room that can have fish
abstract kernel
in the arena fight in Elysium we should kill the bull first right ?
willow fossil
yes
abstract kernel
the king is all boastful and taunts you constantly but he's tanking for the bull right?
mossy light
the only time you should kill the king first is if you have the lightning rod duo boon, that crap is high-larious
wide plover
High-skill tip is to focus down Theseus because it reduces his attack to mainly just his easily i-framed spin, and you'll never lose sight of him, plus Asterius stays very close, so you can easily hit both a lot. But if you're still learning the fight at all, you 100% want to learn Asterius's moveset first. If you get the miniboss fight with him, you can practice just evading his attacks consistently without going for Attacks. Then in the fight vs Theseus, do the same again but behind some pillar away from Theseus, then once Asterius is down, focus on just avoiding attacks from Theseus at close range. This way you get to really practice the fight and can easily see the moments where they take some time to recover and you have an opening to attack safely.
Once you're used to both, you can focus on taking down both at the same time while focusing on Theseus.
If you're worried about Asterius's bull charge, fight him between a pillar and the wall, then just dash through him when he comes at you. So you would have a pillar to your left and the wall to your right or vice versa. He'll try to do a 180 and crash into either the pillar or the wall.
here's an earlier comment I saved about this
mossy light
just shoot some lightning rods at theseus and forget about him until he dies or goes berserk
wide plover
personally I focus bull first, I'm not exactly speedrunning, and dodging spears is not very hard once you get used to it
abstract kernel
can you make the bull charge into the king? or make the king's spear hit the bull?
wide plover
no
mossy light
spear can hit the bull for 120 or so damage
wide plover
oh?
mellow quest
Yes, the spear can hit Asterius and Asterius can run into Theseus
abstract kernel
because while fighting them sometimes the king tell the bull to watch when the bull rams into it, but it's such a big fight i can't really see what's going on exactly
mellow quest
It's not a lot of damage or anything but it does happen
forest ether
I almost always just get rid of Theseus first, I don’t like delaying the inevitable as far as the gods’ wrath goes and it’s easier for me to fight Asterius without some clown chucking spears at my head
For EM3+ its a little different tho
mellow quest
I do Asterius first in the normal fight and Theseus first in em3 because you spend a lot of time running from Asterius if he decides to beyblade anyway or jump spam
mossy light
what exactly is the strategy for EM3, i know how to beat EM theseus, but i dont really know the order
mmn, that makes sense. its a pain to track theseus when he just charges out and blasts everyone
willow fossil
beat bull first
always
normal and em3
in fact, you really cant ignore em3 bull
mellow quest
Bull first works but you've gotta be super clean
willow fossil
you really dont have much choice
you can actually completely ignore em3 theseus
he will just run around throwing bombs at the edge
just fight in the center
em3 theseus is easier than norma
bull on the other hands
willow fossil
who said zeus was bad lmfao
i dont understand people
not liking an aspect doesnt make it bad
heavy umbra
Streamers I watch, and people in their chat.
marsh pumice
Just don't listen Meta players, lol
willow fossil
most streamers their chat has never played hades, they just talk from what the streamer does
"always pick legendaries and duos"
no lol
if it doesnt fit your build
you dont pick it
mossy light
Take all the legends and duos and SELL THEM FOR TITAN BLOOD! 
zeus aspect is my favorite shield
it staggers and its fire and forget. whats to dislike about it?
i also dont know how to use chaos effectively
or zagshield for that matter.
willow fossil
Take all the legends and duos and SELL THEM FOR TITAN BLOOD!
i wish the titan blood was guaranteed
i always have 1200 by the time i get to styx
mossy light
the higher charon cost is my preferred punishment
So what's the best way to use the chaos shield?
forest ether
Best way to use any active perk aspect is to activate the perk
opal lodge
wait zeus shield is absolute memes LOL
i just tried it for the first time
got explosive return
and curse of pain
stood in place and held down special
literally did not move
just tanked the hits and traded hp LOL
analog sail
modest tree
So I was wondering
What counts as 'distant' with things like distant memory?
outside typical melee range?
rare kayak
im not sure about distant memory but sniper shot has a marking showing how far it counts
also distant memory is kind of a crappy keepsake
modest tree
almost never use it, yeah
i just thought i wanted to level it up with how sad it was looking with the one lonely star
willow fossil
🤣
Same
I used like 3 keepsakes only
Soo I decided to level everything up in case some day I need it
modest tree
I kinda feel bad about almost only using the collar
willow fossil
Once you get the mirror hp, collar becomes kinda irrelevant
modest tree
50 extra health is nothing to scoff at though
willow fossil
I feel 100 health is enough to start with
modest tree
If you dont get hit, yes
willow fossil
And I usually fight hades with around 125 with no problem
modest tree
Couldn't be me
willow fossil
So one centaur heart does the job for me
modest tree
I get as many of those suckers as I can
willow fossil
150 if I get lucky with than
modest tree
you saw my post in victory boasting
untold vortex
double nova I think
modest tree
Cursed slash is a little punishing to put it like that
untold vortex
cursed slash is great, but nemisis tends towards dash strikes over attacks
rancid socket
alr
untold vortex
and cursed slash doesn't effect dash strikes
modest tree
you need to get hp back quick or its a death defiance lost in my case
untold vortex
(as much as I wish it did)
modest tree
but im a damage magnet
untold vortex
no
untold vortex
a casual 70% crit chance on nemisis, no thanks
spare scaffold
How should I use Pom Blossom and Sigil of the Dead
Pom Blossom basically replaced all other keepsakes for me for the first 3 biomes or so - if I don't want to force a build
untold vortex
||sigil of the dead|| is great against Hades, purely for the comedic value
spare scaffold
haha yeah I talked about that just now
untold vortex
||Pom Blossom|| is great early, especially to get levels on key boons
modest tree
also for dodging one attack iseem to have trouble avoiding
uh
forgot how to do spoiler text
modest tree
right
untold vortex
it falls off hard in styx even though you can get the most levels out of it there
spare scaffold
I'd still stick to Broken Spearpoint for Styx really
Unless there's a new hot strat I wasn't aware of
untold vortex
||sigil of the dead|| has +100% universal damage tied to it, so it's great at max call, also cuts off your call slot so gods won't offer you a call boon, I've seen speedrunners take it in elysium for that reason
the not getting hit by a thing/multiple things at max call can be clutch too
untold vortex
what boons do you have?
rancid socket
i have like 2 - 3 boons catered towards my cast
spare scaffold
it's still 5 seconds at max stars right?
untold vortex
as in, what exactly do you have
yeah
5 seconds, the universal damage up lasts for all of it though
rancid socket
a movment speed one 20%, a special frost epic damage which is probally the only good one i have unless ambrosia effects chaos/hammer boons as well
untold vortex
you're best off taking a screenshot of your boon menu
untold vortex
you do meet the pre-reqs for splitting bolt
so you could build into thatr
and nectar will help for that
rancid socket
never tried a sole cast build so maybe - the closest ive used is a crystal cast which also had a duo boon supporting its accuracy
untold vortex
ahh crystal clarity, that's a great duo 
going cast/zeus could turn into a great build
splitting bold, jolted and then cold fusion :3
rancid socket
should i take the zeus then to try and get splitting bolt
although i have like 400 gold pent up
cunning urchin
@wide plover nice of you to save my tips, but can you please add my name when you quote me verbatim? I see a lot of verbatim quotes from me flying around lately in the server without any mention of me and sometimes without even clarifying that it's a quote from somebody else, and it's just kind of awkward. Thank you.
wide plover
ok
cunning urchin
Arigatou. 
untold vortex
it's pretty great yeah ^_^
gray shore
I mean stubborn defiance is meh for a lot of setups, this option basically makes stubborn defiance the mirror talent of choice for very high heat :D
gray shore
^
btw what's the interaction between Stubborn roots and LC?
could you still full heal after chambers with stubborn roots on LC4?
lean basin
Could someone please suggest me a build for lucifer rail or talos fists? im getting bored of just "punch punch punch" and "whoom, low damage laser beam"
barren otter
btw what's the interaction between Stubborn roots and LC?
That's one of the few things that can still heal you with LC4. Other things that can heal you include Cursed Slash, Guan Yu spin, Quick Recovery from Hermes.
turbid needle
Is it possible to get 100% crit
untold vortex
Hypothetically yes, not sure if it's possible in practice
cunning urchin
Yes and no. You can have 100% crit chance on a Marked target.
turbid needle
Hmm yeah I was getting pretty close with aspect of nemesis
barren otter
gotta get that lvl98 common pressure points
gray shore
Thanks SonicDen
ez comprehensive list
So I assume Quick Recovery becomes really high value as LC goes up
since it's basically unnerfed EHP and heal
untold vortex
With nemi, deadly reversal, heroic pressure points and arti attack you can get up to 70% crit chance
robust anchor
new players basically play on ri3
gray shore
What's the interaction with Hunter's mark?
robust anchor
those poor lads
gray shore
Is it additive or multiplicative
robust anchor
try zag sword and take ares attack and athena special and get their duo and weave dash attack and special
and get athena dash
main zodiac
guys is talos aspect worth trying ?
robust anchor
yes
cunning urchin
Yeah, Talos is great.
@keen sandal there's a build guide pinned in #h1-for-new-players that can help you starting out.
main zodiac
i am kinda addicted to gilgamesh so its hard for me to change to something else than demeter ang gilgamesh of Fists
keen sandal
oh thanks xd
main zodiac
demeter dial stupid amount of burst dmg, gilgamesh do the same + really good base dmg. what point of Talos?
just magnetic boi shenanigans?
robust anchor
yes pull a guy and punch
main zodiac
cunning urchin
Crowd control, cast damage.
It's the only aspect in the game that can pull enemies.
main zodiac
seems like interesting interaction with Poseidon
keen sandal
guys how do you get the blood thingey used to unlock aspects
main zodiac
rapture dmg
you kill megera and final boss
then you increase your heat and do it again
cunning urchin
Furies, final boss, final shop, or trade at Broker.
main zodiac
or fishing
cunning urchin
Oh yeah.
main zodiac
as far as i remember
btw is it possible to manipulate rng somehow? i am tired of seeing 1 unpicked hammer option in prophecy
cunning urchin
Which hammer upgrade is that?
keen sandal
so im not getting any more from furies anymore is it randomized? or did i use all the titans blood from the furies?
cunning urchin
You need to clear the game once to get new bounties from them.
main zodiac
oh, there are few of them. its a bit difficult for me to name them properly because of localization but it is quick charge on aegis
wide plover
btw is it possible to manipulate rng somehow? i am tired of seeing 1 unpicked hammer option in prophecy
save manipulation, or you can use stubborn defiance + guan yu + heightened security to kill yourself quickly when you don't get a hammer within the first few rooms
main zodiac
i am not that enthusiastic in this sort of suicidal grind
cunning urchin
@main zodiac if you wanna see what Talos can do, here's a video of me doing 45 Heat with it. https://youtu.be/trFi8dJaY78
main zodiac
already did it several times to unlock last heart of Poseidon
after ||epilogue ||he got new voice lines so it wasn't that easy
cunning urchin
Easiest way to get Sudden Rush is Zeus Aspect.
There are 3 hammer upgrades that aren't compatible with Zeus Aspect, so your odds of seeing Sudden Rush are a lot better.
cunning urchin
Good luck!
cold mason
do higher heats get better odds at finding the satyr sack early?
don't think I've ever had to clear more than 3 rooms on anything above like, 12
robust anchor
not afaik kekw
cold mason
like I know it could just be like but my luck usually sucks lmao
i guess let me put it this way i've def not had to do any minibosses in styx temple on higher heat
cold mason
I know. I'm realising that
But yeah
especially tiny vermin. thanatos either insta kills him or brings him real close rofl
shout out to thanatos, the final phase shut downer of all bosses
stuck bobcat
Is there a point of hangover on attack?
It seems to be waste compared do special/dash/call (call is broken imo).
bright sandal
I'm running Aspect of Hera bow and the focus seems to be on attack/cast. Got to chaos and he offers attack/cast damage, which should I go for?
stuck bobcat
cast
in case of hera most of the damage comes from cast
if you want something broken go with athena/aphro duo and phalanx cast. It always register as backstab damage
limber flax
bright sandal
Are armor hammers that universally good? I feel like they're good if you're struggling with rooms but not if you're struggling with bosses
sweet blade
how does aspect of hera interact with stuff that makes you shoot more arrows (like triple or twin shot)?
stuck bobcat
@bright sandal actually armor hammers help with hades/em4 hades. Adds are pain in the ass, espacially sneaks and ones giving shields
@sweet blade it doesn't. Your cast is attached to your "main arrow"
sweet blade
okay
deft halo
any website with builds ? the most effectives with weapons i mean
bright sandal
Even then, it still feels like you would get might get more benefit from the other hammers. Not saying it's bad but that it's also situational and not just universally good. Personally I can pretty much reach the bosses near full health and bosses are the only thing likely to take a DD from me so armor hammers are a lot less of a priority for me
robust anchor
cruel thrust sucks
stuck bobcat
@bright sandal ye, but in Blanky's case he rolled 2 bad hammers and one which will he use
as sword player you realy dont use thrust
it's third hit in chain
you mostly just dash attack-> dash attack -> special, repeat
(with exepction of Arthur)
robust anchor
@deft halo check pinned in new player channel and high heat channel
sweet blade
can you stack dodge chance to 100%?
neat hound
Is Hades' ||Sigil any good ?||
unkempt zephyr
can you stack dodge chance to 100%?
@sweet blade nope
Is Hades' ||Sigil any good ?||
@neat hound Yes
pallid dagger
went back to 0 heat for the first time in forever this morning
honestly, the weight it takes off....jesus.
the hydra isn't NEARLY as aggravating, and Asterius is downright pleasant
cyan bear
Any suggested builds for the legendary aspect of the rail?
cunning urchin
@unkempt zephyr can help you with Rail 4.
neat hound
Demeter for the attack is ridiculously op @cyan bear
bright sandal
I heard you can build around the Zeus dash, how does that work?
neat hound
Reflex step of Zeus, his dash, and the boost to his thunder + jolted effect + random revenge from the duo with Ares could make a great build
sonic merlin
Any noob friendly spear builds? It’s the weapon that I am by far the worst with
I have legendary aspect but just one level... seemed the least bad
turbid needle
Flurry Jab, Tempest Strike, go for Sea Storm and basically a million Zeus boons.
Poseidon boons beyond Tempest Strike/Sea Storm are nice but secondary.
sonic merlin
I was thinking of just going crit since the attack speed is so low
turbid needle
Flurry Jab turns you into Kenshiro.
hoary slate
I heard you can build around the Zeus dash, how does that work?
@bright sandal Gilgamesh, Extra Dashes from Hermes, some Poms and most importantly Double Strike and Legendary. And then you patiently dash until the enemies are gone.
turbid needle
You can hold down your Attack button through Dashes, too, so I'd avoid Serrated Point.
sonic merlin
Neat, thanks. What aspect is this best with?
turbid needle
Only works with Zag and Achilles, and neither of them really benefit it that much.
Could go with Achilles for monster Cast Alpha Strikes before going in with Flurry Jab.
sonic merlin
For Aspect of Chiron, is Zeus or Artemis best on special?
cunning urchin
Not Thunder Flourish, no.
cunning urchin
Heartbreak Strike, Deadly Flourish, and Heart Rend is the tried-and-true build for now.
Alternatively, Deadly Strike and Heartbreak Flourish.
With either Hunter Dash or Divine Dash.
sonic merlin
Gotcha, thanks
near lark
If you have the prerequisites for a duo, does it show up immediately?
Or do you need to luck out
turbid needle
Luck out.
lone lava
Just read a convo above, is concentrated volley really better than relentless?
turbid needle
For matters of pure damage, yes.
lone lava
Considering relentless scales better with your special boon
Or does concentrated scale with boons too
turbid needle
C. Volley adds base damage, I think.
lone lava
For chiron
primal hazel
Volley adds per consecutive hit right?
Isn't more arrows just not simply more flat damage? Also I'd imagine its just nice since there would be more triggers
turbid needle
It's more damage per arrow, so the first arrow hits at 10, then 13, 16, and so on.
Lemme crunch that math really quick.
On the fifth arrow you're already outdamaging Relentless Volley.
sonic merlin
Guan Yu seems impossible
turbid needle
How much have you leveled it?
turbid needle
Even on 0 Heat level 1 is rough.
sonic merlin
Damage falls off so hard
turbid needle
It's a very defensive weapon unless you get one of the nuttier builds.
drifting vale
You did your math wrong it would take to the 7th final arrow to outdamage relentless
turbid needle
So I did.
gray shore
Think GY has really high potential but is hard to use
certain hammers really make it shine
drifting vale
An extra 20 total base damage is pretty nice
primal hazel
GY max level, charged skewer build
cunning urchin
Serrated Point, Charged Skewer, or ideally both.
I'll definitely take the Anvil if I don't have either.
primal hazel
^ ask her
She's the expert lol
cunning urchin
Breaching Skewer also works for the combo, but it's lower priority than Serrated Point and Charged Skewer.
If you don't get any of those three, Massive Spin has been working okay for me.
lone lava
Why serrated?
I thought you just play at range with the charged skewer build
And only do the special > dash strike > dash strike thing early before you get charged skewer
hearty elbow
Serrated Point basically is a ranged weapon lol.
glossy willow
This may be a stupid question
gray shore
no stupid questions here
glossy willow
But is there a way to get specific boons?
gray shore
keepsakes and mirror talent manipulation
can really help
also plotting your boon route with codex
helps a lot
gray shore
but no you never have 100% control
glossy willow
Codex?
Ok gotcha, I figured that there'd be some level of randomness still
Just wanted to know if I was missing something that would give some control
I have a bad habit of missing obvious stuff in games lol
cunning urchin
@lone lava Serrated Point DPS is higher than Charged Skewer, but having both is ideal because Charged Skewer has better AOE and you can throw while dashes are on CD.
But usually you don't get both anyway. If you only have Charged Skewer, you're mostly just spamming Special. If you only have Serrated Point, you mostly spam Dash-Strike and do Special during CD—whether you have Charged Skewer or not.
old zephyr
thats ok
proven osprey
one hp, got me with a solid 100hp hit
old zephyr
i failed like 12 times before i finally started to win
proven osprey
same scenario
old zephyr
did you get hit by the boiling blood?
proven osprey
prolly yeah
old zephyr
because that makes it crit you
proven osprey
or maybe not
willow fossil
Yesterday I won with 3 hp no dd left 
proven osprey
That will teach me no to run EM4 more frequently
proven osprey
yeah
old zephyr
and makes it more worthy as a end fight
proven osprey
yup
old zephyr
i dont mind normal last boss tbh
forest ether
EM4BP2 is the true Hades experience
cloud barn
what's BP again
cloud barn
ok it's pinned in #h1-high-heat-strategies
gray shore
#smart
gray shore
true
unkempt pagoda
in my experience, people don't check the pins regardless of where they are
dry ember
In my experience, people don't
gray shore
they just about read it if you pin them on forums ;)
cloud barn
In my experience,
dry ember
In my
cloud barn
In
willow fossil
I
cloud barn
cunning ibex
man I need advice
I 89% attack boost chill on attack and the 10 chill blast.
but i just got a heroic 15% crit attack with 58% damage.
I'm doing a spin to win run. should i just keep the chill attack?
worn citrus
You using Guan?
cunning ibex
hades + quick spin + massive spin
worn citrus
Ok, so Hades then. Hmm
Kind of a tough call. I also feel that chill attack has more versatility than just its damage implies.
cunning ibex
oh hm. if i dont take the attack I could pick up the seeking arrow upon doing damage
worn citrus
I would probably go for that but
I love that arrow skill so
Not unbiased, exactly.
What's the arctic blast damage?
cunning ibex
80
this run was suppose to just be to get a 2nd diamond to unlock something i wanted but man is the spin to win strong in this run
worn citrus
I think they come out about equal in expected damage. I'd go with Demeter because I like to slow enemies.
latent axle
Help! I'm no good at setting up builds for the bow. I can occasionally but... it's not my strong suit. Tips?
latent axle
thaaaaaaaaaaaanks dad
gray shore
how many runs have you done already?
Don't be too worried about optimising until you just get to grips with the general themes of each god
each at their own pace yknow
latent axle
I've lost track of my runs tbh
Hold kn
on
Enough to the point of seeing the credits
||and unlocking arthur, gilgamesh, and gorn yu||
gray shore
don't worry,|| there's unlock to help track runs after there are tons||
I'd say fiddle about with the bow some more
wide plover
get stuff that helps your main damage source(s)
zag bow: % attack boons, chiron: % special boons, hera: cast boons, rama: % attack and fixed damage special boons
gray shore
that weapon has a lot of poential
wide plover
that's the basic idea, you can do a lot of stuff
wide plover
hera ice wine build is my go to if I want a relaxing run, but that's probably because I like cast builds the most
lethal igloo
Soo opinions on which Aspect (not including the hidden one) is best for Exagryph? RN it between Zagreus and Eris for me but with one I'd just be getting more ammo whilst the other would actually give me some good bonus damage if I spec into it enough
Also what boons for it's special would you recommend cause another problem I'm having is that...well...I just don't like the special on it...
lethal igloo
Yeah it is it just feels very weird to me
lethal igloo
:O
gray shore
it just feels easy cuz you just stay at range
and bombard with Q
put in a lot of defence
and your Q will win any fight as long as you're not on tight deadline
then again maybe just maybe
gun builds make more sense to me as a gunner gamer
lethal igloo
So I'm guessing you maxed or at least upgraded the Zagreus aspect?
gray shore
rather than a sword gamer
i've focussed my titan blood into 2 aspects per weapon
and now working to fill out the ret
rest
i don't like zag gun much but it's viable
just the bonus is like whatever
lethal igloo
So what do you use most then?
solid cairn
Eris is amazing
gray shore
which is a nice bonus
lethal igloo
Okay going with eris then
gray shore
the 3rd aspect is like omg how many reloads rofl
solid cairn
Check speedrun.com page for hades like 90% of the top runs use eris
gray shore
i mean
it mixes ease of use
with power
and safety from range
what's not to like
solid cairn
What gives it the edge is the damage bonus is global
gray shore
precisely
solid cairn
So it applies to flat damage, calls, damage from your dash
gray shore
support fire
solid cairn
Yes
solid cairn
Slight is an understatement
gray shore
smile
solid cairn
I think it was top tier even before the buff
solid cairn
The damage buff went from 60% at level 5 to 75%
gray shore
sounds like it was good
now it's great
but sometimes people underrate it because it's not obviously s tier
story of every game
solid cairn
I mean it’s a tough call but with chaos shield being nerfed it may be the best aspect in the game
Take that with a grain of salt though
gray shore
chaos shield is still really awesome tho
solid cairn
Yes but it’s not nearly as good as it was before 1.0
gray shore
it's a decent crutch to reach relatively high heat without being that good
cuz you're just safe so high % of the time
solid cairn
I do think it’s probably the best shield