#h1-builds-and-combat | Supergiant Games | Page 685

north panther Oct 17, 2020, 1:23 AM

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Shame it's not chain lightning

tranquil violet Oct 17, 2020, 1:24 AM

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But it's not super amazing or anything

left peak Oct 17, 2020, 1:24 AM

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So...

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electric shot?

robust anchor Oct 17, 2020, 1:24 AM

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i really recommend you pick these things yourself and learn whats good and bad

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everyone will give 30 different opinions

north panther Oct 17, 2020, 1:24 AM

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Yeah just try stuff out early on, it won't matter a whole lot till you get higher heats

tranquil violet Oct 17, 2020, 1:24 AM

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Yeah just have fun trying stuff out

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Often builds that seem like they won't work somehow do

solid grail Oct 17, 2020, 1:24 AM

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Can anyone give me some good recommendations on how to build aspect of Achilles?

tranquil violet Oct 17, 2020, 1:25 AM

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Casting build

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Get a cast that does a lot of damage

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Spear dash to buff

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Cast spam

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Rinse and repeat

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Dio is good, I have a soft spot for Poseidon Cast with Sea Storm and a bunch of Jolt/Disrupt

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Could also try Ares/Artemis

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Or really any other cast build I guess

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The chaos boons that penalize you by slowing you down are great with Achilles

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Because you can just use your spear throw to move around really fast even when your walking and dashing is slowed

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It's kinda a non-penalty

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Slothful Grasp/Shot in particular

unkempt zephyr Oct 17, 2020, 1:31 AM

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Can anyone give me some good recommendations on how to build aspect of Achilles?
@solid grail Artemis attack. poseidon cast. demeter some were. Poseidon cast with this Duos ANIHILATE any thing on screen. and with mark fromn artemis start do crits.

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Also ahillies buff negate artemis attack weakness of low damage buff.

left peak Oct 17, 2020, 1:33 AM

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@tranquil violet https://i.imgur.com/93Tm5XE.png

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I should get mark here, right?

wicked horizon Oct 17, 2020, 1:34 AM

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Almost certainly. Crits to armor is weak and the cast is pretty eh too

left peak Oct 17, 2020, 1:34 AM

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👍

unkempt zephyr Oct 17, 2020, 1:34 AM

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if you dont have opportunity to do crits mark =>useless.Hide breaker too

north panther Oct 17, 2020, 1:34 AM

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If only damage from armor breaking carried through

wicked horizon Oct 17, 2020, 1:36 AM

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Looks like he has crit strike?

unkempt zephyr Oct 17, 2020, 1:37 AM

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he dont have any sustain way to do crits. only Aid.

left peak Oct 17, 2020, 1:37 AM

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https://i.imgur.com/7FyykRx.png

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I feel here I should go with blinding flash?

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I tried phalanx shot before

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But I'm not sure about it this run

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I have divine dash

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Don't know if that works with blinding flash

torpid wren Oct 17, 2020, 1:39 AM

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i think it works. you gotta dash directly behind things post deflect. it feels kinda weird in practice

left peak Oct 17, 2020, 1:40 AM

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I'll just go with phalanx shot then

rugged wave Oct 17, 2020, 1:41 AM

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what weapon are you using?

mighty ermine Oct 17, 2020, 1:41 AM

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blinding flash works upon anything with deflect capability making contact

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you don't have to necessarily deflect anything, just touch them with divine dash

unkempt zephyr Oct 17, 2020, 1:42 AM

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and you can just hit with any Athena ability to expose enemy(dash do hit too).to applie debuff

rugged wave Oct 17, 2020, 1:42 AM

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just dash into them and it'll work

left peak Oct 17, 2020, 1:46 AM

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https://i.imgur.com/ZOjJTFS.png

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Please advise here

rugged wave Oct 17, 2020, 1:47 AM

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probably charged volley if you like doing the special in enemies faces for huge damage

left peak Oct 17, 2020, 1:49 AM

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Not flurry shot?

rugged wave Oct 17, 2020, 1:49 AM

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or if you have the demeter boon that blows up with max stacks flurry shot is good

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depends on how you play

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do you have snow burst?

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if so go with flurry shot

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otherwise charged volley would be your best bet

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the choice really depends on how you play but if you're asking what does the most damage then its charged volley

left peak Oct 17, 2020, 1:53 AM

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Sure

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I went with flurry

turbid needle Oct 17, 2020, 1:53 AM

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is it me or Hades is like current best aspect for spear?

rugged wave Oct 17, 2020, 1:54 AM

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I think its the worst personally

robust anchor Oct 17, 2020, 1:54 AM

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public opinion on spear is pretty divided kekw

rugged wave Oct 17, 2020, 1:55 AM

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Isn't guan yu like most people's fav?

dry ember Oct 17, 2020, 1:55 AM

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no?

turbid needle Oct 17, 2020, 1:55 AM

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is spear bad on high heat or for beginner or something?
cause i remember i win my first run with spear
its just feel good to play

fossil compass Oct 17, 2020, 1:57 AM

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Sooo I just got Beowulf aspect

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It's pretty wild

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Does the cast bomb damage get benefit from modifier?

rugged wave Oct 17, 2020, 1:59 AM

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yeah

fossil compass Oct 17, 2020, 1:59 AM

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Is there a particular way to play it? I'm planning to abuse the cast bomb with Aphrodite and special with Zeus

rugged wave Oct 17, 2020, 2:00 AM

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I like using posiedon on the cast

unkempt pagoda Oct 17, 2020, 2:01 AM

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don't waste the chonky special on zeus

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use a damage modifier god, like aphrodite or artemis, and get charged flight

turbid needle Oct 17, 2020, 2:02 AM

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i really just dont like Beowulf and Gilgamesh
or maybe i just dont know how to build them effectively
i can work with the other 3 hidden aspect but Beowulf and Gilgamesh are my bane

north panther Oct 17, 2020, 2:02 AM

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I like gilg, don't like beowulf

fossil compass Oct 17, 2020, 2:02 AM

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What's charged flight?

rugged wave Oct 17, 2020, 2:02 AM

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gilgamesh is insane

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charged flight is where you dash when using the special

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for I think 80% more dmg

unkempt pagoda Oct 17, 2020, 2:02 AM

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shield hammer, you can charge your special for up to +200% base damage

rugged wave Oct 17, 2020, 2:02 AM

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oh its that one

unkempt pagoda Oct 17, 2020, 2:03 AM

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charged flight is where you dash when using the special
that's dashing special

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anyways, this combined with beo special's already insane base damage, compounded further with something like aphro or artemis special

fossil compass Oct 17, 2020, 2:04 AM

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Relying on hammer upgrade seems too RNG for me, but that sounds insane

unkempt pagoda Oct 17, 2020, 2:05 AM

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any more rng than relying on aphro to give you your cast

rugged wave Oct 17, 2020, 2:05 AM

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gilg is good man just maim everything and dash away

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if you get the the hammer for it you just annihilate

turbid needle Oct 17, 2020, 2:05 AM

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isnt gil is basically doom but slower and you have to spend meta currency to upgrade it?

fossil compass Oct 17, 2020, 2:06 AM

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I have fated persuasion, so can reroll a bit

rugged wave Oct 17, 2020, 2:06 AM

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does 400 dmg at max

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they take bonus dmg from the maim too

turbid needle Oct 17, 2020, 2:07 AM

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so i have to fully upgrade it in order for it to be remotely good?

rugged wave Oct 17, 2020, 2:07 AM

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nah its fine as is

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just get aphro on the special

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maim them for some extra dmg

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you get the dashes which are nice too

fossil compass Oct 17, 2020, 2:08 AM

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Does the doom-like damage get modified?

rugged wave Oct 17, 2020, 2:09 AM

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no I think it stays at 400 at max

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I always do well with gilg

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just get the hammer upgrade for it and they take like 50% more dmg

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I take aphro on the special

turbid needle Oct 17, 2020, 2:11 AM

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i just dont like gilg
the extra dashes are nice but taking 50% more damage is not something i like especially for fighting EM 3 &4

rugged wave Oct 17, 2020, 2:12 AM

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if you have the hammer upgrade and boiling blood bosses can be chunked for quite a lot

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100% extra dmg

mellow quest Oct 17, 2020, 2:12 AM

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you don't need to maim everything

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the base damage on its attacks are already very high

torpid wren Oct 17, 2020, 2:13 AM

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does anyone.. like Beowolf? I tried it out today and I could undertstand it being a bit clunky. I do like the strong wide swipes.. Maim however I feel doesn't reward the risk very much, nor does the upgrade on max blood feel very rewarding(only 100 damage, lol).

turbid needle Oct 17, 2020, 2:14 AM

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i prefer the drawback of Guan Yu to both Beowulf and Gil

fossil compass Oct 17, 2020, 2:14 AM

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I'm trying it right now, not liking beo

spiral tree Oct 17, 2020, 2:14 AM

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YO

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I found my first truly OP build

rugged wave Oct 17, 2020, 2:14 AM

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idk I like gilg a lot and I used to hate the fists

mellow quest Oct 17, 2020, 2:14 AM

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i like that beowulf challenges me to use brain cells which is atypical of a shield run

fossil compass Oct 17, 2020, 2:14 AM

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Does the shield special only bounce twice or what

spiral tree Oct 17, 2020, 2:15 AM

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I stood right in front of hades phase 3 for the entirety of his laser 360 attack and took 0 damage while killing him before animation finished!

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YOOOO

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this is ridiculous I feel so powerful

rugged wave Oct 17, 2020, 2:15 AM

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I like beo

turbid needle Oct 17, 2020, 2:15 AM

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shield special on default does bounce 2 i guess

onyx folio Oct 17, 2020, 2:15 AM

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spoiler boss name please

spiral tree Oct 17, 2020, 2:15 AM

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aph attack on arthur+smoldering air+zeus call+second win=dodge god

rugged wave Oct 17, 2020, 2:15 AM

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I like all of the alternate aspects tbh

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except for lucifer

spiral tree Oct 17, 2020, 2:16 AM

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I literally just stood in front of hades all 3 phases and spammed attack and he died in seconds and I took barely any damage

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LOOOL

robust anchor Oct 17, 2020, 2:16 AM

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spoilers are allowed in this channel now

mellow quest Oct 17, 2020, 2:17 AM

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i want to like lucifer but it's pretty awkward to play and the special is so much slower to deploy

robust anchor Oct 17, 2020, 2:17 AM

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guess that guy left

mellow quest Oct 17, 2020, 2:17 AM

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that and it lacks interaction with enemy projectiles

onyx folio Oct 17, 2020, 2:17 AM

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are they?

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cool

rugged wave Oct 17, 2020, 2:18 AM

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I think it just needs a really specific build

onyx folio Oct 17, 2020, 2:18 AM

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my b then

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just dont want anyone to get told off 😔

lone lava Oct 17, 2020, 2:19 AM

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Lucy just runs zeus attack, pretty standard

mellow quest Oct 17, 2020, 2:19 AM

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and i think that if a weapon needs a really specific build then it needs tuning. it's one thing for 1 or 2 gods to be bad with something, it's another when 6 are bad

turbid needle Oct 17, 2020, 2:19 AM

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i like Lucifer, i understand that its slow, like really really slow and i have like no way to defend it
i just like it

mellow quest Oct 17, 2020, 2:19 AM

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those numbers are not accurate or anything but you get my meaning

lone lava Oct 17, 2020, 2:20 AM

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Well almost all the aspects have good and bad builds

spiral tree Oct 17, 2020, 2:20 AM

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I feel so GODLIKE

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lol

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this build

lone lava Oct 17, 2020, 2:20 AM

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I'm not sure if lucy is the most specific even

spiral tree Oct 17, 2020, 2:20 AM

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Is there any way to maximize my chances of getting second wind?

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build depends on it

lone lava Oct 17, 2020, 2:20 AM

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Since Zag rail and Eris run zeus attack too

onyx folio Oct 17, 2020, 2:20 AM

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with rail its like wow zeus attack artemis special daring today arent we

spiral tree Oct 17, 2020, 2:20 AM

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smoldering air is guaranteed if I only take aph and zeus boons

lone lava Oct 17, 2020, 2:21 AM

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Zag can run arty attack but only with a specific spread fire build

spiral tree Oct 17, 2020, 2:21 AM

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I think zeus has to be ranked as one of the top Gods

onyx folio Oct 17, 2020, 2:21 AM

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yeah zeus is up there

mellow quest Oct 17, 2020, 2:21 AM

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yeah but eris is so strong that you don't need to go the zues arti route to have a good outcome that wins

lone lava Oct 17, 2020, 2:21 AM

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I pref aphro special for sure on rail

onyx folio Oct 17, 2020, 2:21 AM

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call and jolted are nuts

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and duos are pretty much all good

mellow quest Oct 17, 2020, 2:21 AM

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hestia empowered shot is different enough to warrant some off meta setups sometimes

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zag aspect is residentzag so who cares

lone lava Oct 17, 2020, 2:22 AM

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You can probably win with lucy with any build too at low heat

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I think there are some interesting builds with like

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Athena special or something

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But also idk lmao I don't use that thing

onyx folio Oct 17, 2020, 2:22 AM

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aphro, athena and zeus are god tier tbh

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well

lone lava Oct 17, 2020, 2:22 AM

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I agree it should get a little buff

onyx folio Oct 17, 2020, 2:22 AM

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god+ tier

lone lava Oct 17, 2020, 2:22 AM

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What about arte tho

turbid needle Oct 17, 2020, 2:23 AM

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any weapon can win any build at low heat
like i run Eris with little to no other boon that are pom-upgradable and just go ham on upgrading poison
and it still work out in the end

onyx folio Oct 17, 2020, 2:23 AM

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call and attack are pretty beans most of the time imo

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and mark is awful

lone lava Oct 17, 2020, 2:23 AM

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Huh nah man

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Arte attack is comparable or more dmg than aphro even

onyx folio Oct 17, 2020, 2:23 AM

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shes got the best overall special boon in the game tbh

rugged wave Oct 17, 2020, 2:23 AM

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arte attack is good

lone lava Oct 17, 2020, 2:24 AM

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Just with increased variability

turbid needle Oct 17, 2020, 2:24 AM

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after a while feel like Artemis is like really low on my tier list

lone lava Oct 17, 2020, 2:24 AM

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Arte call sucks yeah

turbid needle Oct 17, 2020, 2:24 AM

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except for when using Arthur and maybe Rama

onyx folio Oct 17, 2020, 2:24 AM

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not having anything reliable to proc privilege isnt great

lone lava Oct 17, 2020, 2:24 AM

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But PP is amazing since it applies on all dmg

mellow quest Oct 17, 2020, 2:24 AM

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there's some neat duos but you can get a lot of raw power out of other gods

lone lava Oct 17, 2020, 2:24 AM

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And mark is v good imo

onyx folio Oct 17, 2020, 2:24 AM

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big disagree

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useless on single targets

mellow quest Oct 17, 2020, 2:24 AM

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mark is better than you might think but it's still the worst status in the game

onyx folio Oct 17, 2020, 2:25 AM

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and bosses are where its needed most

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since you dont need crits on mooks

lone lava Oct 17, 2020, 2:25 AM

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I usually don't bother with PS since I cba swapping back and forth

mellow quest Oct 17, 2020, 2:25 AM

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at higher heat crits in normal rooms are very solid

lone lava Oct 17, 2020, 2:25 AM

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Also like the only time you have only one enemy is p2 hades and some of p1

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But with a good build that fight really doesn't take long

mellow quest Oct 17, 2020, 2:26 AM

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especially on weapons like artheur aspect where you can swing and hit several enemies at once

onyx folio Oct 17, 2020, 2:26 AM

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for always good boons it feels like shes only got pressure points, hunter dash and support fire

lone lava Oct 17, 2020, 2:26 AM

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Yep it helps massively in other rooms

mellow quest Oct 17, 2020, 2:26 AM

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or bow shots piercing a line and critting them all as it marks everything along the way

lone lava Oct 17, 2020, 2:26 AM

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Okay but I can say that about zeus

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He would be trash on certain weapons

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His attack and special

unkempt zephyr Oct 17, 2020, 2:27 AM

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mark just add almost 100% crit chance. what can be better?

lone lava Oct 17, 2020, 2:27 AM

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And his dash isn't good either

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But he's still up there because he's great at what he does

onyx folio Oct 17, 2020, 2:27 AM

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mark doesnt work on single targets and it disappears once it procs

turbid needle Oct 17, 2020, 2:27 AM

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Zeus is more like a room killer
he is only a boss killer with Jolt effect
without jolt, he is very weak on boss fight

onyx folio Oct 17, 2020, 2:27 AM

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which is god awful for getting privilege

mellow quest Oct 17, 2020, 2:27 AM

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~~not being an Artemis simp would be better~~

lone lava Oct 17, 2020, 2:27 AM

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Just don't run PS if you go arte obviously

unkempt zephyr Oct 17, 2020, 2:27 AM

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mark doesnt work on single targets and it disappears once it procs
@onyx folio Man only one boss dont summon Foe. and its green girl.

mellow quest Oct 17, 2020, 2:27 AM

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family favorite > PS

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i was recently converted

lone lava Oct 17, 2020, 2:28 AM

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And if you aim for marked targets you can be almost constantly critting

abstract island Oct 17, 2020, 2:28 AM

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does the blizzard shot duo ever embed into enemies

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I don't think it does, right

mellow quest Oct 17, 2020, 2:28 AM

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it's just a lot more consistent especially if you ever turn AP or UC on

onyx folio Oct 17, 2020, 2:28 AM

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yeah but once the spawns die you have zero way of reapplying it for a bit AND they die so quickly that sometimes you dont even get chances to crit

spiral tree Oct 17, 2020, 2:28 AM

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someone here told me pressure points is bad

lone lava Oct 17, 2020, 2:28 AM

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Yeah PS not worth imo unless you will 100% get 2 status curses without deviating from the ideal build

mellow quest Oct 17, 2020, 2:28 AM

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bliz shot doesn't apply chill or embed

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but it does do pretty gross amounts of damage

abstract island Oct 17, 2020, 2:28 AM

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woooo, thanks

spiral tree Oct 17, 2020, 2:28 AM

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I could not disagree more

unkempt pagoda Oct 17, 2020, 2:28 AM

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does the blizzard shot duo ever embed into enemies
nope, the cast "pierces foes"

spiral tree Oct 17, 2020, 2:29 AM

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pressure points is like a top 10 boon

unkempt pagoda Oct 17, 2020, 2:29 AM

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in the description

abstract island Oct 17, 2020, 2:29 AM

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it does, I was just wondering whether to take hermes legendary, couldn't remember

spiral tree Oct 17, 2020, 2:29 AM

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itm akes everything better

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pressure points makes any build muuuuch better

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it by itself is not amazing but it is pretty decent and it fits so well into builds

rugged wave Oct 17, 2020, 2:29 AM

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dunno about much better but yeah pressure points is fine

lone lava Oct 17, 2020, 2:29 AM

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But yeah if you think about it there's rarely only one target on the screen

spiral tree Oct 17, 2020, 2:29 AM

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especially if you get it to at least 5%

mellow quest Oct 17, 2020, 2:30 AM

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turns out global crit chance on every offensive action you do is a pretty notable increase in output even if it is a bit underwhelming a number

lone lava Oct 17, 2020, 2:30 AM

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Yeah some stuff scales v good with poms

mellow quest Oct 17, 2020, 2:30 AM

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especially when you set crits to 3x damage rather than 2x as is typical of games like this

onyx folio Oct 17, 2020, 2:31 AM

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pressure points, urge to kill, strong drink, divine dash, greater evasion and ravenous will hard carry

lone lava Oct 17, 2020, 2:32 AM

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Yes to all of those except urge to kill

turbid needle Oct 17, 2020, 2:32 AM

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pressure point can make like doom build very strong wdym

lone lava Oct 17, 2020, 2:32 AM

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that one sucks haha

onyx folio Oct 17, 2020, 2:32 AM

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???

mellow quest Oct 17, 2020, 2:32 AM

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merciful end is super busted

lone lava Oct 17, 2020, 2:32 AM

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It's just a very low dmg mod since it's not multiplicative

onyx folio Oct 17, 2020, 2:33 AM

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merciful end is probably the best boon in the game

abstract island Oct 17, 2020, 2:33 AM

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pressure points is amazing partly because if you get pressure points AND hunter's mark you're kinda set

rugged wave Oct 17, 2020, 2:33 AM

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does anyone like rama?

mellow quest Oct 17, 2020, 2:33 AM

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otherwise doom is just ok flat damage that you wish was something like an aphro or arti for the slot

onyx folio Oct 17, 2020, 2:33 AM

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genuinely confused why people like hunters mark

abstract island Oct 17, 2020, 2:33 AM

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Rama is great

onyx folio Oct 17, 2020, 2:33 AM

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rama is cool

lone lava Oct 17, 2020, 2:33 AM

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ME is the most impactful boon imo (assuming you're built for and aiming for it)

onyx folio Oct 17, 2020, 2:34 AM

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definitely the most gimmicky of the hidden aspects imo

lone lava Oct 17, 2020, 2:34 AM

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Hunting blades probably comes close

rugged wave Oct 17, 2020, 2:34 AM

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what is the strat for rama cuz its been mediocre for me

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I want to like it

lone lava Oct 17, 2020, 2:34 AM

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Seastorm is very strong but I feel like a lot of the power is from lighting strike and splash dash rather than the duo

mellow quest Oct 17, 2020, 2:34 AM

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doom works but doesn't scale well, especially with heat, outside of merciful end

rugged wave Oct 17, 2020, 2:34 AM

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sound effects are col

unkempt pagoda Oct 17, 2020, 2:34 AM

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@rugged wave https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4x6mmU-G-8 here's a rama 54 heat run
spoilers: final boss duh, minor post-endgame/epilogue, em4

willow fossil Oct 17, 2020, 2:34 AM

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https://imgur.com/a/0XXQa1l

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residentzag

onyx folio Oct 17, 2020, 2:35 AM

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doom needs a lot of support and poms to work well late imo

willow fossil Oct 17, 2020, 2:35 AM

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that after party is carrying me

lone lava Oct 17, 2020, 2:35 AM

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Lol

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Ghetto stubborn defiance

willow fossil Oct 17, 2020, 2:36 AM

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lmfao

onyx folio Oct 17, 2020, 2:36 AM

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thats gross

mellow quest Oct 17, 2020, 2:36 AM

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at least impending doom does a decent job of improving it if you ever find it

onyx folio Oct 17, 2020, 2:36 AM

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impending doom and dire misfortune are great

lone lava Oct 17, 2020, 2:36 AM

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I've never really built around dire misfortune

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What do you use that on?

mellow quest Oct 17, 2020, 2:37 AM

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dire misfortune is pretty specifically reliant on you doing something like doom rail attack

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and like, why

onyx folio Oct 17, 2020, 2:37 AM

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it just requires investment unlike athena and others

mellow quest Oct 17, 2020, 2:37 AM

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just put zues on there

lone lava Oct 17, 2020, 2:37 AM

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I guess I only go doom on ME lol

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So just aim for impending doom

onyx folio Oct 17, 2020, 2:37 AM

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i use it on fists attack/rail attack if zeus doesnt want to show up

unkempt pagoda Oct 17, 2020, 2:37 AM

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dire misfortune is for the cluster bomb eris/relentless chiron/relentless rama/doom demfists gamers

mellow quest Oct 17, 2020, 2:38 AM

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if i care about winning at higher heat I'll just force zues into the pool

lone lava Oct 17, 2020, 2:38 AM

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Oh yeah actually doom is good on rama special w/o ME

mellow quest Oct 17, 2020, 2:38 AM

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rama is very weird and a lot of fun

lone lava Oct 17, 2020, 2:38 AM

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It really is very fun haha

mellow quest Oct 17, 2020, 2:39 AM

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i don't think it's been fully mapped out yet in regards to its potential and what builds are the ideal ones

lone lava Oct 17, 2020, 2:39 AM

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When I first unlocked it I was like uhh tf

rugged wave Oct 17, 2020, 2:39 AM

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really wanna like it man

lone lava Oct 17, 2020, 2:39 AM

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But I'd recommend

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I got 4 duo boons and twin shot and explosive shot last run lol

unkempt pagoda Oct 17, 2020, 2:39 AM

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i don't think [rama] been fully mapped out yet in regards to its potential and what builds are the ideal ones
the entire #h1-high-heat-strategies community:

mellow quest Oct 17, 2020, 2:39 AM

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the only part of a rama run I hate is EM3

onyx folio Oct 17, 2020, 2:39 AM

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considering theres hidden aspects that outstrip every other aspect on the weapon (imo arthur and guan yu especially), rama feels very balanced

lone lava Oct 17, 2020, 2:40 AM

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Too bad lucy and gilg don't feel worth using

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To me at least

onyx folio Oct 17, 2020, 2:40 AM

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bow aspects in general are just fun to use

rugged wave Oct 17, 2020, 2:40 AM

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bruh when you first unlock guan yu its like uhhh

mellow quest Oct 17, 2020, 2:40 AM

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i like that every bow aspect is a solid choice too

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other than hera if you use RI

onyx folio Oct 17, 2020, 2:41 AM

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hera is probably my least favourite but its still viable

rugged wave Oct 17, 2020, 2:41 AM

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I dont think the game even tells you that the charge heals you on guan yu

onyx folio Oct 17, 2020, 2:41 AM

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chiron/zag/rama are all a good time

mellow quest Oct 17, 2020, 2:41 AM

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my favorite part about hera is not having to lob festive fog

onyx folio Oct 17, 2020, 2:41 AM

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:0

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thats real?

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sick

lone lava Oct 17, 2020, 2:41 AM

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Bow probably has the most equal aspects

onyx folio Oct 17, 2020, 2:42 AM

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fists arent bad either

mellow quest Oct 17, 2020, 2:42 AM

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crush shot can be really good on it too

lone lava Oct 17, 2020, 2:42 AM

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All 3 non zag swords are great too

onyx folio Oct 17, 2020, 2:42 AM

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never liked the other sword aspects unfortunately

mellow quest Oct 17, 2020, 2:42 AM

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zag sword is trying but 15% attack and movespeed while good on paper doesn't quite compare to 300% room clear speed

rugged wave Oct 17, 2020, 2:43 AM

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posideon sword is so much fun though

lone lava Oct 17, 2020, 2:43 AM

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Problem with fists is I feel like why put blood in anything that's not dem

mellow quest Oct 17, 2020, 2:43 AM

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you don't really need blood to make the most of talos or gilgamesh

lone lava Oct 17, 2020, 2:43 AM

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For rail at least hestia is a diff playstyle and zag can be good on a spread fire seed

mellow quest Oct 17, 2020, 2:43 AM

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the modifier they upgrade isn't really the strong part about them

lone lava Oct 17, 2020, 2:43 AM

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Yeah 0 investment wonders are nice early/mid game

onyx folio Oct 17, 2020, 2:43 AM

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i keep getting the casts that dont stick in enemies with poseidon lol

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demeter, ares, dio etc

mellow quest Oct 17, 2020, 2:44 AM

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the last time i had played was like, either blood price or long winter i think. and spread fire was a rude awakening

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old spread fire was basically cheating to be fair

lone lava Oct 17, 2020, 2:44 AM

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@onyx folio try achillies spear for non sticking casts

umbral surge Oct 17, 2020, 2:44 AM

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does anyone know, for Chiron build, is the special better with % based dmg or fixed based dmg?

lone lava Oct 17, 2020, 2:44 AM

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It's great for hunting blades or crystal beam meme dream runs

unkempt pagoda Oct 17, 2020, 2:44 AM

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apparently either works

untold vortex Oct 17, 2020, 2:44 AM

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poseidon is still good even without casts that embed imo

lone lava Oct 17, 2020, 2:44 AM

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+150% dmg stonks

mellow quest Oct 17, 2020, 2:45 AM

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50% cast damage is a lot

untold vortex Oct 17, 2020, 2:45 AM

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+50% cast damage right off the bat is nothing to sneeze at

onyx folio Oct 17, 2020, 2:45 AM

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i guess yeah more cast damage isnt bad

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its just boring imo

mellow quest Oct 17, 2020, 2:45 AM

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but i mean achillies gives you even more

unkempt pagoda Oct 17, 2020, 2:45 AM

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i've seen people get results on chiron with artemis, dionysus, demeter, ares

onyx folio Oct 17, 2020, 2:45 AM

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i dont like aspects that are just "more damage lol"

unkempt pagoda Oct 17, 2020, 2:45 AM

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it's just a Good™️ aspect

mellow quest Oct 17, 2020, 2:45 AM

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i wouldn't say talos is like that

onyx folio Oct 17, 2020, 2:45 AM

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i prefer ones that switch up how i play the weapon even if theyre worse

mellow quest Oct 17, 2020, 2:46 AM

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super succ is nifty

umbral surge Oct 17, 2020, 2:46 AM

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wait Achilles spear is higher in cast dmg than guan yus?

onyx folio Oct 17, 2020, 2:46 AM

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fists aspects are 👌

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guan yu doesnt do anything with casts i dont think

dire wedge Oct 17, 2020, 2:46 AM

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Guan Yu does nothing for casts

mellow quest Oct 17, 2020, 2:46 AM

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i mean, considering guan yu does nothing to casts

lone lava Oct 17, 2020, 2:47 AM

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Throwing spear and dashing to it and then doing a cast build instead of GY special spam not different enough? bouldy

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I feel you on the different playstyles

umbral surge Oct 17, 2020, 2:47 AM

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how does achilles spear actually work?

rugged wave Oct 17, 2020, 2:47 AM

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do people even do casts builds for spear?

lone lava Oct 17, 2020, 2:48 AM

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For achillies spear yeah

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You special and then press Y again and dash to the spear

mellow quest Oct 17, 2020, 2:48 AM

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pretty much exactly the way its description says

onyx folio Oct 17, 2020, 2:48 AM

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achilles is best cast one i think

lone lava Oct 17, 2020, 2:48 AM

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And have +150% dmg for the next 4 casts

rugged wave Oct 17, 2020, 2:48 AM

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wait how do play achilles

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I knew I was doing something wrong

onyx folio Oct 17, 2020, 2:48 AM

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q + q + cast

rugged wave Oct 17, 2020, 2:49 AM

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I play on switch

onyx folio Oct 17, 2020, 2:49 AM

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dont

umbral surge Oct 17, 2020, 2:49 AM

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basically special + special + cast

lone lava Oct 17, 2020, 2:49 AM

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The speedrunning build of zeus cast is what I've been doing

rugged wave Oct 17, 2020, 2:49 AM

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how else am I gonna play this game on the go lol

lone lava Oct 17, 2020, 2:49 AM

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You wipe out rooms instantly

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Switch is fine lol

rugged wave Oct 17, 2020, 2:49 AM

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ill give it a try

onyx folio Oct 17, 2020, 2:49 AM

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yeah ive being mean for laffs

lone lava Oct 17, 2020, 2:50 AM

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Although with zeus cast on achillies you want either quick reload from hermes or flurry jab/serrated tip hammers

umbral surge Oct 17, 2020, 2:50 AM

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spear is the only weapon I can't comprehend

rugged wave Oct 17, 2020, 2:50 AM

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dude playing hades in my bed is pretty sick

lone lava Oct 17, 2020, 2:50 AM

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To help on bosses

unkempt pagoda Oct 17, 2020, 2:50 AM

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i don't remember who said the game doesn't tell you that gy heals, but it do: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/187458596559257600/766855462443286568/gy_tooltip.PNG

onyx folio Oct 17, 2020, 2:50 AM

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life stealing spin attack preddy conclusive yeah

rugged wave Oct 17, 2020, 2:51 AM

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ok im actually dyslexic and can't read so makes sense that I didn't see it

dire wedge Oct 17, 2020, 2:51 AM

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The thing with Achilles is that it buffs also attack and special. You can have hybrid builds not just with casts. Had a clear recently with the usual Electric Shot, but I was offered Serrated Point and Arty attack and I suddenly had a hybrid build.

lone lava Oct 17, 2020, 2:51 AM

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Yep that's the goal ^

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Since you can't get your casts out of bosses, you need supplemental dmg in between

onyx folio Oct 17, 2020, 2:51 AM

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serrated point residentzag

umbral surge Oct 17, 2020, 2:51 AM

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what does post-rush dmg means? like dash strikes?

rugged wave Oct 17, 2020, 2:51 AM

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I was like why is gy just punishment

lone lava Oct 17, 2020, 2:51 AM

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It just means your next 4 attacks or casts

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after doing the raging rush

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Okay okay but here I need some inspo

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I'm still somehow not done my dumb fated list

rugged wave Oct 17, 2020, 2:53 AM

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what u need?

lone lava Oct 17, 2020, 2:53 AM

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Just need the Poseidon boon that buffs his call (which is fine I've just been taking poseidon call whenever I can)

onyx folio Oct 17, 2020, 2:53 AM

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god

lone lava Oct 17, 2020, 2:53 AM

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But I also need Dem legendary

onyx folio Oct 17, 2020, 2:53 AM

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i remember that one

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hes got 2 that are call exclusives

cyan mantle Oct 17, 2020, 2:53 AM

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how do I get to the end with the dang spear

onyx folio Oct 17, 2020, 2:53 AM

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i did poseidon call + vengeful mood

lone lava Oct 17, 2020, 2:53 AM

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I don't run dem often but god damn I do try and get her dumb legendary

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It just doesn't happen haha

onyx folio Oct 17, 2020, 2:53 AM

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just sat there like B)

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free deeps

lone lava Oct 17, 2020, 2:54 AM

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What's a good build to go for dem legendary

rugged wave Oct 17, 2020, 2:54 AM

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took me forever to get legendary from chaos

lone lava Oct 17, 2020, 2:54 AM

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Oh wow vengeful mood procs during invuln calls?

onyx folio Oct 17, 2020, 2:54 AM

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my game crashed and i lost that run but im pretty sure yes

lone lava Oct 17, 2020, 2:54 AM

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pog

onyx folio Oct 17, 2020, 2:55 AM

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its been a minute]

rugged wave Oct 17, 2020, 2:56 AM

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has anyone ever done a high heat run with normal shield while actually using the attack?

lone lava Oct 17, 2020, 2:56 AM

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What's high heat

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Zag shield is very good though yeah, especially with the double attack hammer

onyx folio Oct 17, 2020, 2:56 AM

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actually im asking a question now too: is there any hammer from spear thats worth picking up aside from explosive launcher and serrated point

lone lava Oct 17, 2020, 2:57 AM

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Just spam dash attack, attack, repeat

rugged wave Oct 17, 2020, 2:57 AM

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high heat for me be like 20+

onyx folio Oct 17, 2020, 2:57 AM

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and spins as guan yu obvs

lone lava Oct 17, 2020, 2:57 AM

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Flurry jab

dire wedge Oct 17, 2020, 2:57 AM

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Flurry Jab

onyx folio Oct 17, 2020, 2:57 AM

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hm

lone lava Oct 17, 2020, 2:57 AM

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is a decent serrated alternate

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other than that they're not that important

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the long range can be nice

dire wedge Oct 17, 2020, 2:58 AM

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that too

cloud barn Oct 17, 2020, 2:58 AM

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Hello gamers

lone lava Oct 17, 2020, 2:58 AM

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Wait so what's even a good build to go for dem legendary on

onyx folio Oct 17, 2020, 2:59 AM

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probably athena attack

lone lava Oct 17, 2020, 2:59 AM

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Probably want a diff cast so I don't get offered dem cast or that cast upgrade

onyx folio Oct 17, 2020, 2:59 AM

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on a rapid weapon

cloud barn Oct 17, 2020, 2:59 AM

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It’s not needed for any builds afaik, it’s just nice to grab if there isn’t a better option

onyx folio Oct 17, 2020, 2:59 AM

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since you need brilliant riposte which improves deflect damage

lone lava Oct 17, 2020, 3:00 AM

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And I guess fill up the other core boon slots except dem attack or special?

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Why athena to get demeter's legendary boon?

onyx folio Oct 17, 2020, 3:00 AM

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divine dash also works for prerequisite iirc

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oh im stupid

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i thought you said divine legendary at some point

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kill me

lone lava Oct 17, 2020, 3:01 AM

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Haha nah just purely want this dumb fated list thing

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But I seem to never come across it

mellow quest Oct 17, 2020, 3:01 AM

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man i know triple dahs attack hit on spear is super strong and all

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but the reduced dash range screws me hard

dire wedge Oct 17, 2020, 3:01 AM

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soooo you need 2 of ravenous will, arctic blast, or killing freeze to activate the legendary

onyx folio Oct 17, 2020, 3:01 AM

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chiron bow special with demeter is good

unkempt pagoda Oct 17, 2020, 3:02 AM

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play frost flourish chiron, go arctic blast and killing freeze, get legendary

lone lava Oct 17, 2020, 3:02 AM

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Since I guess I don't go for dem much and it needs 2 prereq boons, two of those three being tier 2 boons

unkempt pagoda Oct 17, 2020, 3:02 AM

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ez

onyx folio Oct 17, 2020, 3:02 AM

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artic blast is mad good yeah

lone lava Oct 17, 2020, 3:02 AM

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Ayy sounds like a plan

unkempt pagoda Oct 17, 2020, 3:02 AM

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as always, relentless concentrated volley is the way to go

onyx folio Oct 17, 2020, 3:02 AM

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bow hammers are gross

unkempt pagoda Oct 17, 2020, 3:02 AM

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relentless especially for arctic blast procs

rugged wave Oct 17, 2020, 3:03 AM

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is demeter dash any good ever?

fossil compass Oct 17, 2020, 3:03 AM

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Just finished my first clear with Beowulf

dire wedge Oct 17, 2020, 3:03 AM

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I'd personally go ravenous will into killing freeze if I just wanted to make a beeline for the legendary

fossil compass Oct 17, 2020, 3:03 AM

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Must be my least enjoyable run so far

onyx folio Oct 17, 2020, 3:03 AM

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i never pick up demeters dash

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other dashes are way too good

fossil compass Oct 17, 2020, 3:03 AM

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I even got 2x chaos boon for cast damage and epic Aphrodite cast

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And hammer with faster bull rush charge

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Just so.. unenjoyable

onyx folio Oct 17, 2020, 3:04 AM

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aphro cast is aggressively mediocre so i dont blame you lol

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but yeah beo is pretty disappointing

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charged shot is really what you want

fossil compass Oct 17, 2020, 3:05 AM

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I'm aiming for the highest cast damage increase

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What's charged shot?

onyx folio Oct 17, 2020, 3:06 AM

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i had a beo run with charged shot and and ice flare which was basically run is one

rugged wave Oct 17, 2020, 3:06 AM

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you shoot a projectile when u charge

onyx folio Oct 17, 2020, 3:06 AM

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makes bull charge a ranged projectile

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and works with beo

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so you can fire casts basically like normal all at once

rugged wave Oct 17, 2020, 3:07 AM

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how does ice flare work with beo?

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never tried it

onyx folio Oct 17, 2020, 3:07 AM

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ice flare is a demeter boon which puts a massive aoe

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its broken

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minimum 70 damage huge aoe per cast fired

rugged wave Oct 17, 2020, 3:07 AM

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oh I was like does it shoot the crystals?

onyx folio Oct 17, 2020, 3:07 AM

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and with charged shot it also becomes ranged

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instead of being around you

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no idea why but it does

fossil compass Oct 17, 2020, 3:08 AM

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I hope the other hidden aspects are alright

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Gonna do Rama run now

onyx folio Oct 17, 2020, 3:08 AM

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wait

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maybe im wrong

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i dont remember

rugged wave Oct 17, 2020, 3:08 AM

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Ill try it for u

onyx folio Oct 17, 2020, 3:08 AM

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thanks

dire wedge Oct 17, 2020, 3:09 AM

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the flare explodes at the end of the shot

rugged wave Oct 17, 2020, 3:09 AM

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just need to finish this run

onyx folio Oct 17, 2020, 3:09 AM

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might be when youre putting casts in shield

fossil compass Oct 17, 2020, 3:09 AM

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Thinking of doing Aphrodite or Artemis for Rama for max damage

rugged wave Oct 17, 2020, 3:09 AM

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ohhh that one

fossil compass Oct 17, 2020, 3:09 AM

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And pray for some good hammer or something

onyx folio Oct 17, 2020, 3:09 AM

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i did aphro attack for rama

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and bow hammers are broken so ez clap

rugged wave Oct 17, 2020, 3:10 AM

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I think artemis attack is good on rama

lone lava Oct 17, 2020, 3:10 AM

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You're thinking of that dem boon that does a pulse around you when you cast

onyx folio Oct 17, 2020, 3:10 AM

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i had triple shot and chain shot iirc

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yes i am

lone lava Oct 17, 2020, 3:11 AM

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That's different to the actual cast

onyx folio Oct 17, 2020, 3:11 AM

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i dont remember if it had a weird interaction with beo

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yeah i know

lone lava Oct 17, 2020, 3:11 AM

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And yeah it's super super good on beo

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Nice on hera too but better on beo

onyx folio Oct 17, 2020, 3:11 AM

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i know it basically won the run for me

dire wedge Oct 17, 2020, 3:11 AM

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snow burst

lone lava Oct 17, 2020, 3:11 AM

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Ah yep snow burst

onyx folio Oct 17, 2020, 3:12 AM

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but i cant remember whether that was while loading casts in shield or explode around bullrush projectile with charged shot

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or both

lone lava Oct 17, 2020, 3:12 AM

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Icy flare is the name for the beo version of dem cast

onyx folio Oct 17, 2020, 3:13 AM

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ooooooh

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yeah

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i meant snow burst

lone lava Oct 17, 2020, 3:13 AM

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Also forced overtime ||charon|| keeps murdering me in tartarus lol

mellow quest Oct 17, 2020, 3:13 AM

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is the 35% backstab damage on parting shot only for cast backstabs or for all backstab damage

onyx folio Oct 17, 2020, 3:13 AM

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only casts i think

unkempt pagoda Oct 17, 2020, 3:14 AM

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it's all backstab

lone lava Oct 17, 2020, 3:14 AM

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All

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It seems a bit confusing to read

onyx folio Oct 17, 2020, 3:15 AM

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"Your Cast gains any bonuses you have for striking foes from behind."

lone lava Oct 17, 2020, 3:15 AM

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But what it does is let your cast backstab since normally it can't, then it also adds 35% to your backstab damage

onyx folio Oct 17, 2020, 3:15 AM

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seems outright wrong

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oh i get you

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still bad imo

unkempt pagoda Oct 17, 2020, 3:16 AM

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if you're running fiery presence (or no darkness), parting shot would be absolutely useless

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so they give a little backstab bonus to patch you up a little

onyx folio Oct 17, 2020, 3:17 AM

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nyx keepsake, shadow presence and chaos boon stacking sounds funny

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maybe

lone lava Oct 17, 2020, 3:17 AM

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Yeah it's not great UNLESS you're doing Hera bow with athena cast

mellow quest Oct 17, 2020, 3:17 AM

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yeah that's what i figured

lone lava Oct 17, 2020, 3:17 AM

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Which for somereason backstabs when you shoot them in the face

onyx folio Oct 17, 2020, 3:17 AM

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jank

lone lava Oct 17, 2020, 3:17 AM

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So you do big boy dmg

mellow quest Oct 17, 2020, 3:17 AM

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i think it's a little crazy that even a rare level chaos boon can give you 100% backstab bonus damage

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theseus must be so much easier on kb+m on em3 honestly, the worst part is not being able to aim slightly in front of him while he's going around in circles lobbing bombs

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it snaps directly on him still and so everything will land behind him

worldly trellis Oct 17, 2020, 3:27 AM

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I like 8 shot chiron

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/392127546155728897/766864718500986880/unknown.png

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full stack, one special

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Charged volley and swift flourish too

cobalt field Oct 17, 2020, 3:31 AM

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so I got so far with my first character to give him ambrosia which is skelly

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I also got that companion keepsake from him

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if i give skelly further ambrosia, does it have any effect besides more conversations and background story?

robust anchor Oct 17, 2020, 3:34 AM

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just more conversations and story yep but eventually you can get a little cute skelly emoji on his keepsake

onyx folio Oct 17, 2020, 3:35 AM

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yes

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after the companions there isnt a mechanical benefit

torpid wren Oct 17, 2020, 3:53 AM

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What are the chances of Eris being "fine tuned" despite already being perfect.

abstract juniper Oct 17, 2020, 4:00 AM

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so I'm a bit confused on how sisyphus's keepsake works. Does it only work when there is no boon giving your attack, special, or cast x% amount of additional damage, or can it work with boons from ares that give it doom damage?

turbid needle Oct 17, 2020, 4:01 AM

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Any boon.

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If you have Heartbreak Strike, your Attack is no longer buffed by Shackles.

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If you have Thunder Flourish, Special is no longer buffed.

abstract juniper Oct 17, 2020, 4:02 AM

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Ughhhhhhhh ok I see

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It was confusing to me :(

lone lava Oct 17, 2020, 4:04 AM

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However you can have stuff like pressure points or urge to kill

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Just need to have the core boon slot empty

abstract juniper Oct 17, 2020, 4:05 AM

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that makes sense, I'm using any boons I have to run into as stuff to buff my dash

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Wait what about daedalus upgrades?

lone lava Oct 17, 2020, 4:08 AM

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that's fine

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just need the core boon slot empty

abstract juniper Oct 17, 2020, 4:09 AM

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awesome thanks :)

cobalt field Oct 17, 2020, 4:13 AM

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alright thanks guys

calm saddle Oct 17, 2020, 4:17 AM

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anyone have a fun build for chaos aspect?

silk anvil Oct 17, 2020, 4:26 AM

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On the subject of rama and EM4;

Does EM4 allow big bad boss to move faster naturally?
Is rama really viable for primary attack if you get denied by Hermes for faster attack speed?

red mist Oct 17, 2020, 4:29 AM

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no and yes

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rama is top tier

mellow quest Oct 17, 2020, 4:30 AM

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man i was doing so well with a 32 heat bow run but then double doomstone em4 and it was all over because i couldn't aim at dad

red mist Oct 17, 2020, 4:30 AM

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you don't need to play rama fancy, just use discretion

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charging power shot is worth the trouble if you're safe

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that's about all you need to know

unkempt zephyr Oct 17, 2020, 4:33 AM

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Does EM4 allow big bad boss to move faster naturally?
@silk anvil He have DIFFERENT move and attack set.

silk anvil Oct 17, 2020, 4:37 AM

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you don't need to play rama fancy, just use discretion
@red mist eh, I was just watching a friend use it, maybe his build lacked good synergy

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but yeah, his run was fine up until EM4, at which point it kinda hit a wall in terms of difficulty

red mist Oct 17, 2020, 4:48 AM

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also attack speed is pretty garbo in this game

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once the heat is up no enemy will ever let you stand still for long enough to take advantage of it

tulip obsidian Oct 17, 2020, 4:49 AM

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To get the cerberus sack, you need to go through at least two rooms, right?

tranquil violet Oct 17, 2020, 4:54 AM

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Technically yes

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Because each corridor is at least 2 rooms 😉

tulip obsidian Oct 17, 2020, 4:54 AM

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lol

mellow quest Oct 17, 2020, 4:55 AM

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i really hate the speedy mod from BP

untold iris Oct 17, 2020, 4:59 AM

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do we have exact odds on cerberus sack rng?

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I know it's never on the first one, but does it have an equal chance of spawning for the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th rooms?

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or is it weighted somehow?

cunning urchin Oct 17, 2020, 5:00 AM

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Equal chance, yes.

silk anvil Oct 17, 2020, 5:14 AM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5L1b0t4iP8&feature=youtu.be
@ whomstever was saying its 0.2seconds per lightning bolt in general, this is a terrible video I made with a constantly crashing program to back up my claim that I think I disagree and am siding with the idea that all mobs have their own internal "can I be hit by lightning again?" timer

YouTube

Sir Kirby

Thunder Bolt Proc Timing (quick analysis) HADES V1.0

Because there seems to be disagreement in the internal timer of "0.2 seconds" per bolt strike, I went and recorded the bolt off of Rama's secondary; attempting to get a bounce where the enemies were far enough away to disprove splash from AOE, and show two distinct bolts hitti...

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when I get a chance, I'll go and equip chiron and do a better put together analysis of crowd fire vs. single target thunder bolt damage

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as well as allowing for different interpretations of what it means to be "hit" by an instance of damage, and hopefully allowing for a more precise counter of time if my computer will allow it

cunning urchin Oct 17, 2020, 5:17 AM

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It's 200 ms per enemy, yeah.

silk anvil Oct 17, 2020, 5:34 AM

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I was getting ganged up on earlier shadegrief was doubting myself
Maybe I misunderstood what they meant

hearty elbow Oct 17, 2020, 5:52 AM

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Lol, I tried AP1 with Chaos a couple of times but kept getting salty from Static Discharge getting selected so I just went down to 43. JS3, CP2 and DC2 are active. This weapon needs some help to get the damage going, for sure, but yeah, block is great. (RNG much less blessed on this one, a lot closer to a "real" run) https://imgur.com/gIrBltN

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#ChaosNotDead

cyan bear Oct 17, 2020, 5:55 AM

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I just unlocked beowulf today, any suggested builds?

carmine saddle Oct 17, 2020, 6:23 AM

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https://i.ibb.co/YZ3kjR2/image.png

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this is sort of hard to get but is super fun

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dionysus cast is a great starting place though

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and you definitely dont need all those duo boons for it to work, this was just a really lucky run

cunning urchin Oct 17, 2020, 6:26 AM

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Passion Flare + Infernal Soul or Trippy Flare + Stygian Soul for Beowulf.

mellow quest Oct 17, 2020, 6:28 AM

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stygian on trippy shot just because it takes too long for the cloud to clear right

carmine saddle Oct 17, 2020, 6:28 AM

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i haven't tried stygian soul with the trippy flare builds for naeglings board. i kind of like being able to stack all my casts for a big hit against bosses like hades or asterius that move around a lot

mellow quest Oct 17, 2020, 6:29 AM

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there are ways to get extra cast stones anyway

carmine saddle Oct 17, 2020, 6:29 AM

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true

cunning urchin Oct 17, 2020, 6:29 AM

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Yeah, Stygian Soul lets you use Trippy Flare more often in less time.

carmine saddle Oct 17, 2020, 6:29 AM

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i havent ever really had an issue not having a cast available when i needed it though, but i haven't tried the other way. will have to next time

mellow quest Oct 17, 2020, 6:30 AM

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got my first 32 heat clear on the 1.0 save finally

carmine saddle Oct 17, 2020, 6:30 AM

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stygian soul doesnt affect how long the fog sits on the field, right?

untold iris Oct 17, 2020, 6:30 AM

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no

mellow quest Oct 17, 2020, 6:30 AM

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it shouldn't

carmine saddle Oct 17, 2020, 6:30 AM

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rad

untold iris Oct 17, 2020, 6:30 AM

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i normally just use stygian soul because im lazy and dont want to run around picking up cast stones

mellow quest Oct 17, 2020, 6:31 AM

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i used to strongly prefer infernal but stygian has grown on me the more i've played with forced overtime

carmine saddle Oct 17, 2020, 6:31 AM

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it probably is a lot better in this situation, i just like big numbers 👀

mellow quest Oct 17, 2020, 6:31 AM

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getting 1 or 2 casts off is simple, but getting all 3 can be tough in some rooms/fights

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and having them all in different places to pick up can be problematic

cunning urchin Oct 17, 2020, 6:32 AM

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Well, if you like big numbers, casting more often in less time will give you big DPS. dusa

untold iris Oct 17, 2020, 6:32 AM

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the other problem that I have with infernal soul is that sometimes the cast stones disappear to god knows where

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like they end up behind a pillar or way out in a corner hovering over lava

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and I have no idea that they're there

mellow quest Oct 17, 2020, 6:33 AM

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or end up in gaps you can't grab them from, some of the styx rooms are really bad about that

carmine saddle Oct 17, 2020, 6:33 AM

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more smaller numbers instead of big beefy ones :P (again though, i'm sure it is a lot better)

cunning urchin Oct 17, 2020, 6:33 AM

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the other problem that I have with infernal soul is that sometimes the cast stones disappear to god knows where
That doesn't happen with Beowulf.

untold iris Oct 17, 2020, 6:33 AM

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if you know where your cast stones are you can usually dash there to retrieve it, even if its over a gap

mellow quest Oct 17, 2020, 6:34 AM

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beowulf experience is more like the enemies evaporate to god knows where

untold iris Oct 17, 2020, 6:34 AM

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but the issue is that sometimes I lose track of the cast stones and then if they're hidden somewhere non-obvious I just never have time to find them

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especially if your three stones are spread apart

carmine saddle Oct 17, 2020, 6:34 AM

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my bigger problem more so than anything to do with cast availability, with naegling's board, is making sure i space the rush right so the AOE hits properly

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and i don't shoot past them with it

mellow quest Oct 17, 2020, 6:34 AM

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that's why i like it so much more than the other shields personally

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way more demanding of good play

cunning urchin Oct 17, 2020, 6:35 AM

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I very often just do mini rushes. Just release immediately.

carmine saddle Oct 17, 2020, 6:35 AM

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yeah i've been getting better at it and it feels nice

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also yeah, i'm picking up on that

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sudden rush is great too

mystic flume Oct 17, 2020, 7:05 AM

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whats a good build for guan yu

vernal knoll Oct 17, 2020, 7:07 AM

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anything that deals with special basically

mystic flume Oct 17, 2020, 7:08 AM

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wouldnt i want stuff that deals w spin attack>

vernal knoll Oct 17, 2020, 7:08 AM

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i mean, yes and no

mystic flume Oct 17, 2020, 7:08 AM

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@vernal knoll also what gods?

vernal knoll Oct 17, 2020, 7:09 AM

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the special has a super wide hit box and high base damage

mystic flume Oct 17, 2020, 7:09 AM

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true

vernal knoll Oct 17, 2020, 7:09 AM

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anything that can apply debuffs like athena and aphro and then arte for special % damage up and crit

mystic flume Oct 17, 2020, 7:09 AM

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alr im gonna go in a run thx

vernal knoll Oct 17, 2020, 7:10 AM

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be sure to check chaos for it too. if you can manage to double stack special ups off them it can be a huge payoff

primal hazel Oct 17, 2020, 7:15 AM

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Guan Yu special build artemis flourish, charged skewer, aphro duo

mossy light Oct 17, 2020, 7:17 AM

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guan yu, always go for charge related stuff, aphrodite and demeter for support

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good idea to tweak your mirror for the high confidence thingie

primal hazel Oct 17, 2020, 7:20 AM

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Idk if that's a good idea if your not speedrunning and just try to clear

mossy light Oct 17, 2020, 7:22 AM

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wait, what was the high confidence thing a trade for again?

primal hazel Oct 17, 2020, 7:23 AM

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Helf

mossy light Oct 17, 2020, 7:23 AM

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whooooooopsie

cunning urchin Oct 17, 2020, 7:23 AM

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Yeah, you can go High Confidence with Guan Yu when you reach the point where you don't need to ask for help on it lol.

primal hazel Oct 17, 2020, 7:23 AM

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Especially with gy lol

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25 health poggers

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Ez clears

cyan bear Oct 17, 2020, 7:24 AM

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Stygian soul is a hammer?

primal hazel Oct 17, 2020, 7:24 AM

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High confidence is only for people with high confidence

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It's a mirror upgrades

cyan bear Oct 17, 2020, 7:25 AM

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Ohhh

primal hazel Oct 17, 2020, 7:25 AM

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Green option for infernal soul

cyan bear Oct 17, 2020, 7:25 AM

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I see i see. Thanks!

primal hazel Oct 17, 2020, 7:25 AM

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U new? If so I'd recommend you to ask questions in #h1-for-new-players

cyan bear Oct 17, 2020, 7:26 AM

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I had a couple of wins

primal hazel Oct 17, 2020, 7:26 AM

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Cause lots of spoilers here

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Oh ok sry

cyan bear Oct 17, 2020, 7:26 AM

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But i didnt finish the main storyline yet

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Its okay! Very useful tips. Thanks everyone :)

primal hazel Oct 17, 2020, 7:26 AM

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Well could happen that you're gonna be spoiled bout story/post story stuff here

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Much success to you!

mossy light Oct 17, 2020, 7:28 AM

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i just wanted to say i finally beat hell mode. all it took was upgrading the mirror to two lives and a godlike hera build zaglol

primal hazel Oct 17, 2020, 7:30 AM

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Massive congrats!

mossy light Oct 17, 2020, 7:32 AM

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and now the awkward period where you try to beat the game with all the different mirror builds and slowly unlock more titan blood

primal hazel Oct 17, 2020, 7:32 AM

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Must've been hell for you

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Still have to to that shadegrief

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Guess I'd rather do the pact options lol

mossy light Oct 17, 2020, 7:32 AM

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well, hell mode is easy. just delete your mainsave and gitgud

primal hazel Oct 17, 2020, 7:33 AM

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Just don't get hit

mossy light Oct 17, 2020, 7:33 AM

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do i recommend that strategy, no. but did i do it. yes.

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i cranked the pact to 16 on normal mode, then dropped it for hell mode, because going to 32 heat sounded worse

primal hazel Oct 17, 2020, 7:38 AM

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Or you could man up kappa

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My ocd prevents me from skipping any heat with any weapon

mossy light Oct 17, 2020, 7:39 AM

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ahh, OCD. the game where you make up imaginary rules for yourself

brisk trench Oct 17, 2020, 7:39 AM

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What are the changes for hell mode anyway? I saw I started on 5 heat but dont know much other than that

primal hazel Oct 17, 2020, 7:39 AM

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Well if the game doesn't make enough of em

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Unlocks pact from the start

mossy light Oct 17, 2020, 7:40 AM

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it activates 5 heat items: the +damage, -healing, +health, +spawn, and removes your mercy invulnerability

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the invuln is the tricky one. when enemies use rapid attacks or shotgun you, you explode.

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i had the -HP +Drain sword and got shotgunned and died. i was super salty.

brisk trench Oct 17, 2020, 7:41 AM

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I keep forgetting

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Oh jeez thats spooky

arctic elbow Oct 17, 2020, 7:48 AM

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Does ares dire misfortune add the stated damage per doom applied? so the first doom would 200, 2nd 220, third 240 etc

lethal chasm Oct 17, 2020, 7:49 AM

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?

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yeah

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but it ticks at the same rate

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if you build 3 stacks at one time itll do 240

arctic elbow Oct 17, 2020, 7:50 AM

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so you can apply doom to a target even if they have doom already applied but hasnt done its damage yet?

lethal chasm Oct 17, 2020, 7:50 AM

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yeah

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for sure IME playing a lot of doom stack builds

arctic elbow Oct 17, 2020, 7:52 AM

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running a build with auto and special applying doom, with the || demeters fist || and feared that I was basically wasting the extra doom i was applying

lethal chasm Oct 17, 2020, 7:53 AM

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nah it just expires once it expires

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so more you can build before it ticks the better

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athena aphro duos are gr8 w that aswell if u dont know

arctic elbow Oct 17, 2020, 7:54 AM

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alright ill keep a look out for them then. thank you!

mossy light Oct 17, 2020, 8:15 AM

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the cast backstab bonus? i dont get it

cloud barn Oct 17, 2020, 8:17 AM

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There’s a boon that lets casts backstab

primal hazel Oct 17, 2020, 8:17 AM

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If you hit someone in the back with the cast

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You do backstab damage

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Ez

mossy light Oct 17, 2020, 8:17 AM

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i get that part, but is the damage really significant?

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okay, 75% on something without normal modifers

primal hazel Oct 17, 2020, 8:17 AM

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Backstab damage is significant

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Benefits from backstab buffs

mossy light Oct 17, 2020, 8:18 AM

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i never have a good feel for DPS failbag

primal hazel Oct 17, 2020, 8:18 AM

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More scaling for cast builds

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If you can afford

mossy light Oct 17, 2020, 8:18 AM

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i see numbers or i feel the bosses melt. thats it

primal hazel Oct 17, 2020, 8:18 AM

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I mean that's almost a 2x damage increase

mossy light Oct 17, 2020, 8:19 AM

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the problem with casts are the slow windup and cooldown

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that, and im not used to trying to shoot hades in the butt

robust anchor Oct 17, 2020, 8:19 AM

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it also increases backstab dmg in general

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like from attacks

mossy light Oct 17, 2020, 8:20 AM

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it just says your cast gets backstab bonuses

robust anchor Oct 17, 2020, 8:21 AM

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your cast is able to backstab

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and it also says bonus backstab damage

still vigil Oct 17, 2020, 8:22 AM

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So stygius
How do y’all use aspect of zagreus?
I’ve primarily used arthur so the sword is foreign to me

robust anchor Oct 17, 2020, 8:22 AM

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merciful end and always dash attack

still vigil Oct 17, 2020, 8:23 AM

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Imma have to try that out

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Tyty

mossy light Oct 17, 2020, 8:23 AM

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mash the attack button. preferably towards an enemy.

still vigil Oct 17, 2020, 8:23 AM

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I keep seein merciful end bein mentioned

mossy light Oct 17, 2020, 8:23 AM

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there arent a ton of fancy build tricks for it

still vigil Oct 17, 2020, 8:23 AM

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Never used it

robust anchor Oct 17, 2020, 8:23 AM

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the actual sword swings are worthless

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the sword is mostly for dash attack

still vigil Oct 17, 2020, 8:24 AM

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me favorin a melee playstyle
Yikes

mossy light Oct 17, 2020, 8:24 AM

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the only cool trick you can do with the zagblade is build towards hermes +damage for +move

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otherwise youre better off with the second aspect or later

still vigil Oct 17, 2020, 8:24 AM

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Ahh

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Okay! Least i have those maxed

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Why is merciful end the bee’s knees?

robust anchor Oct 17, 2020, 8:26 AM

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whenever i am trying a new aspect and looking for builds i look at this spreadsheet

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1MYCL3AlvkXOqZUpBrqpv3utLMDayTnpF7wK9IGIFdN0/edit?usp=sharing

Google Docs

Hades High Heat/Challenge Runs

Version 1.0

Speedruns.com now has a high heat category! ,https://www.speedrun.com/hades/full_game
Can direct any missing runs to Krashercorr or Wriste13 on discord
*similar heat/weapon completions in descending order by time posted (youtube ...

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ME does amazing damage

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and it works on any melee aspect

still vigil Oct 17, 2020, 8:26 AM

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I’m so sorry I dun understand this sheet

robust anchor Oct 17, 2020, 8:27 AM

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well narts

primal hazel Oct 17, 2020, 8:27 AM

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I just don't use Zagreus

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ME works on almost everything lol

still vigil Oct 17, 2020, 8:27 AM

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Ah

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A versatile boon

primal hazel Oct 17, 2020, 8:27 AM

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A versatile build

still vigil Oct 17, 2020, 8:27 AM

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Is that its sellin point?

mossy light Oct 17, 2020, 8:28 AM

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i mean, if you build towards the same duo boon every game, whats the point

still vigil Oct 17, 2020, 8:28 AM

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Cause the tick doesn’t look like much

primal hazel Oct 17, 2020, 8:28 AM

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I mean it's a build that works on every weapon not a boon that works on every build

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Damage

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Doom has high damage but the drawback is it can't be reapplied until triggered
With ME you can instantly trigger doom with deflect

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So you more or less remove the drawback

mossy light Oct 17, 2020, 8:29 AM

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i take a different philosophy, you have a different weapon, and a different set of gods. equip the purse, clear tart, then pick a duo from the set

robust anchor Oct 17, 2020, 8:29 AM

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if you have athena dash and ares attack, your dash attack applies and procs doom in one go

mossy light Oct 17, 2020, 8:29 AM

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woof. thats mean

primal hazel Oct 17, 2020, 8:29 AM

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Literally free damage

still vigil Oct 17, 2020, 8:30 AM

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Icic

robust anchor Oct 17, 2020, 8:31 AM

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but you need ares attack and athena special for ME to even be offered in the first place

mossy light Oct 17, 2020, 8:32 AM

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just do a caster build zaglol

primal hazel Oct 17, 2020, 8:32 AM

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Or athena special and ares attack
But that removes the dash instant trigger ofc

mossy light Oct 17, 2020, 8:33 AM

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but back to the point, the only special boost the zagsword has is the attack and movespeed, and the movespeed is only complimented by the hermes attack buff

primal hazel Oct 17, 2020, 8:34 AM

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Go fast build boi

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Yo is the increased move speed boon from hermes a req for the buff? Have only seen it once so far

mossy light Oct 17, 2020, 8:35 AM

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you need the dashbuff or the speedboost

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the dashbuff is the one with the temp speedboost and sturdy post dash

primal hazel Oct 17, 2020, 8:36 AM

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Ah ok
Never take that lol

robust anchor Oct 17, 2020, 8:36 AM

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if you open the codex it will show you all prereqs for the boon

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can also use plume

primal hazel Oct 17, 2020, 8:37 AM

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Ik but I'm on a car ride rn

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So no codex for me m8

brisk trench Oct 17, 2020, 8:47 AM

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Tbh plume + zag sword is pretty spicy

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Cant get hit if youre faster than bullet

hearty elbow Oct 17, 2020, 8:47 AM

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I’m so sorry I dun understand this sheet
@still vigil The first page of the sheet has all of the 40+ runs that were submitted in 1.0, the second is the same, but for Blood Price (early access). The remaining pages of the sheet organize the runs into weapons + aspects (though this is not complete for 1.0 I don't think).

You can find build ideas by watching how people play aspects at high level

robust anchor Oct 17, 2020, 8:48 AM

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main issue is that youll start to not be able to proc plume bc you do no dmg kekw

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bc you cant use god keepsakes

hearty elbow Oct 17, 2020, 8:48 AM

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Tbh plume + zag sword is pretty spicy
Cant get hit if youre faster than bullet
@brisk trenchMobs feel bad for attacking the guy with a pool noodle.

brisk trench Oct 17, 2020, 8:48 AM

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Yeah plume is a meme ik

robust anchor Oct 17, 2020, 8:48 AM

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sadge

brisk trench Oct 17, 2020, 8:49 AM

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Is the 4th sword any good? I find all of them to be... unfortunate.

reef galleon Oct 17, 2020, 8:49 AM

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They're great imo

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all

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Isn't the 4th sword the most popular here?

brisk trench Oct 17, 2020, 8:50 AM

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I havent unlocked it so Im just grinding

hearty elbow Oct 17, 2020, 8:50 AM

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Yeah, Excalibur is probably the most talked about on this discord

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For swords

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Big stick go bonk

robust anchor Oct 17, 2020, 8:51 AM

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arthur fanatics go away

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nemesis fanboys welcome

reef galleon Oct 17, 2020, 8:51 AM

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still waiting for 4th fist aspect

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it's been 40 hours

brisk trench Oct 17, 2020, 8:52 AM

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I just unlocked it last night

hearty elbow Oct 17, 2020, 8:52 AM

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I tried for the first time today, on 20 heat. It went from being the worst aspect of all time... to basically still being that, but 6 dashes with Merciful End does a lot to fix problems.

brisk trench Oct 17, 2020, 8:52 AM

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I just need to buy it now

hearty elbow Oct 17, 2020, 8:53 AM

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I don't get the dash mechanics on Gilgamesh. You have this odd delay between pure dashes, but your dash strikes are like instant. You also regenerate dashes very slowly, kind of in bursts? I noticed this even with 6 dashes total, I had to wait odd amounts of time to get some of them back.

brisk trench Oct 17, 2020, 8:54 AM

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Does this server prefer double dash or near miss bonus from the mirror?

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On fists

tranquil violet Oct 17, 2020, 8:54 AM

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Are you saying "GIRUGAMESH!" every time you dash?

still vigil Oct 17, 2020, 8:54 AM

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I like near miss on gilga

tranquil violet Oct 17, 2020, 8:54 AM

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It not you're just gimping yourself.

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You have to time the dashes to the syllables.

hearty elbow Oct 17, 2020, 8:55 AM

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Lol, I played Gilgamesh because I somehow missed the Ruthless Reflex thing for my prophecies. As GIlgamesh is a pile of doodoo regardless, and Merciful End is the only way to make it redeemable, even though Ruthless is by far the easiest to use on Gilgamesh I'd still go with Greater Reflexes for more ME dps

tranquil violet Oct 17, 2020, 8:55 AM

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That sounds like a You problem, man.

still vigil Oct 17, 2020, 8:55 AM

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:0

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Take that back😭 gilga aint that bad

tranquil violet Oct 17, 2020, 8:56 AM

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I tried for the first time today

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authoritatively stated opinion

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thanthink

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Warning: if you keep replying I'm going to keep clowning on you.

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Just saying.

hearty elbow Oct 17, 2020, 8:57 AM

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I cemented my opinion after using Maim once and my PC was debating on whether or not to blue screen from how long the animation took to end.

tranquil violet Oct 17, 2020, 8:57 AM

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squirtmeh

brisk trench Oct 17, 2020, 8:58 AM

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I dont understand maim, is it basically just doom on your dash-special?

robust anchor Oct 17, 2020, 8:58 AM

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yes a slow doom but it also makes the target deal and take extra damage

brisk trench Oct 17, 2020, 8:59 AM

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Ooooh yeah I noticed a +10 to my damage

tranquil violet Oct 17, 2020, 8:59 AM

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The trick is to take all the extra damage and save it up

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It seems useless early on but if you get enough of it it completely changes your gameplay style

hearty elbow Oct 17, 2020, 9:00 AM

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Also it's pretty far from my first rodeo in general lol. I've played long enough to make calls with a small sample size. Everything went about as well as possible that run and it still felt like complete poop to play. The strikes don't cancel well into the dashes and the dashes don't cancel well into... anything.

brisk trench Oct 17, 2020, 9:00 AM

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Does the dash upper on gilga have a longer range?

hearty elbow Oct 17, 2020, 9:00 AM

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It looks pretty much identical to base

tranquil violet Oct 17, 2020, 9:00 AM

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I tried for the first time today

analog sail Oct 17, 2020, 9:00 AM

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Nope. The range is the same

tranquil violet Oct 17, 2020, 9:00 AM

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This is evidently not your first time digging yourself into a hole at least.

hearty elbow Oct 17, 2020, 9:01 AM

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Sigh, brb let me get 40 Gilgamesh so I can meme on this piece of garbage properly

tranquil violet Oct 17, 2020, 9:01 AM

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Also it's pretty far from my first rodeo in general lol. I've played long enough to make calls with a small sample size.

One of the dumbest things I've heard in months.

brisk trench Oct 17, 2020, 9:01 AM

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Yeah its just the animation makes it look longer I just tested it

tranquil violet Oct 17, 2020, 9:01 AM

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And I've been isolated at home for months.

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So that's saying something.

brisk trench Oct 17, 2020, 9:02 AM

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Was that a self roast on your own intelligence?

tranquil violet Oct 17, 2020, 9:02 AM

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I've seen N=100 so I'm an expert on N=2

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At least a 50x expert

willow fossil Oct 17, 2020, 9:02 AM

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thanthink

hearty elbow Oct 17, 2020, 9:03 AM

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I'm not even really sure what you're getting at. I'm allowed to formulate opinions at N=1 or N=100. Call it a first impression. I'm not making laws.

mossy light Oct 17, 2020, 9:03 AM

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imagine thinking gilgamesh is good. zaglol

brisk trench Oct 17, 2020, 9:03 AM

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Yeah my question still stands

still vigil Oct 17, 2020, 9:03 AM

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hides in a corner with gilgamesh

tranquil violet Oct 17, 2020, 9:03 AM

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I mean Gilgamesh is terrible

hearty elbow Oct 17, 2020, 9:03 AM

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It seems like you're salting for literally the sake of salting

tranquil violet Oct 17, 2020, 9:03 AM

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I just unlocked it and in my first run I died to Skelly

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It's clearly awful

mossy light Oct 17, 2020, 9:03 AM

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oh, thats a classy joke residentzag

willow fossil Oct 17, 2020, 9:04 AM

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residentzag

still vigil Oct 17, 2020, 9:05 AM

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I personally dun mind it cause the triple dash strike after maim is easy enough to do

analog sail Oct 17, 2020, 9:05 AM

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I've used Gilgamesh a while and the best thing about maim is the bonus damage from it. The problem is the dash attack.

tranquil violet Oct 17, 2020, 9:06 AM

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My strategy for all weapons is to just hit the attack and dash buttons at the same time repeatedly and point the analog stick towards the current position of the moon

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So far I've beaten Hades with five weapons

brisk trench Oct 17, 2020, 9:07 AM

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Is dash striking easier on controller? I absolutely hate it on m+k

tranquil violet Oct 17, 2020, 9:07 AM

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Yea

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This game was clearly not made for K+M

mossy light Oct 17, 2020, 9:07 AM

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@tranquil violet that strategy will last you till hell mode or pact 32

tranquil violet Oct 17, 2020, 9:07 AM

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The only hard bit on controller is dash specials with sword

still vigil Oct 17, 2020, 9:07 AM

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Ive only played on controller so dash strikin feels pretty easy to do

tranquil violet Oct 17, 2020, 9:08 AM

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Otherwise its all pretty clearly controller focused

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Dash striking isn't hard at all

hearty elbow Oct 17, 2020, 9:08 AM

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Lucifer Rail was most likely designed with KBM in mind

tranquil violet Oct 17, 2020, 9:08 AM

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That could be

mossy light Oct 17, 2020, 9:08 AM

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Huhhm, is shooting better with mouse?

still vigil Oct 17, 2020, 9:08 AM

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So yer just strafing through enemies with any of the fists

hearty elbow Oct 17, 2020, 9:08 AM

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If the auto aim logic for aiming at your own Hellfire blasts is any indication (it's next to impossible with multiple enemies nearby)

tranquil violet Oct 17, 2020, 9:08 AM

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I haven't really had any issues with any charged or aimed attacks on controller

still vigil Oct 17, 2020, 9:08 AM

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Making dodging and attacking a breeze

tranquil violet Oct 17, 2020, 9:09 AM

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Auto aim can be turned off

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And it's just a snapping anyways

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Cast builds might benefit from KBM for sure

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But overall controller feels just fine

still vigil Oct 17, 2020, 9:10 AM

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So epic hyper sprint or epic swift strike for gilgamesh?

analog sail Oct 17, 2020, 9:10 AM

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Swift strike

tranquil violet Oct 17, 2020, 9:10 AM

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Swift strike

still vigil Oct 17, 2020, 9:10 AM

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Kk!

tranquil violet Oct 17, 2020, 9:11 AM

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Faster attacks are nearly always better

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Though I do love the sturdy + dash Apollo boon

still vigil Oct 17, 2020, 9:11 AM

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I asked cause I had on epic rush delivery

tranquil violet Oct 17, 2020, 9:11 AM

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Makes dashing feel so much better

analog sail Oct 17, 2020, 9:11 AM

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Apollo?

hearty elbow Oct 17, 2020, 9:11 AM

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Caveat that if you're on Merciful End already then Hyper Sprint is probably better for Sturdy uptime

tranquil violet Oct 17, 2020, 9:11 AM

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Is there some generally agreed upon heat order?

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I have no clue so I'm just starting with extreme measures

hearty elbow Oct 17, 2020, 9:12 AM

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1->2->3->4....

tranquil violet Oct 17, 2020, 9:12 AM

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I mean choice of pact items

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shadedisgruntled

mossy light Oct 17, 2020, 9:12 AM

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Why does it sound like everyone has merciful end. I've only gotten that blasted duo twice. Disappointing no the times

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Both*

hearty elbow Oct 17, 2020, 9:12 AM

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Are you sure you're qualifying for it? It's very unintuitive now

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You need Divine Strike or Flourish, but it's only worthwhile using with Divine Dash, so you basically need 3 boons to make it happen.

mossy light Oct 17, 2020, 9:13 AM

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Yeah, it only takes like 3 or something specific boons.

tranquil violet Oct 17, 2020, 9:13 AM

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Athena strike or flourish + one of Ares curses

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Strictly speaking

untold vortex Oct 17, 2020, 9:14 AM

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only attack or special for ares too

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curse of vengence isn't a pre-req

mossy light Oct 17, 2020, 9:14 AM

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Im too freeform for that stupid duo. failbag

hearty elbow Oct 17, 2020, 9:14 AM

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Is there some generally agreed upon heat order?
@tranquil violet No, that's not really how this game works. Pacts are very subjective, just find what works best for you at your level.

tranquil violet Oct 17, 2020, 9:15 AM

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Sure I mean more at a general lfvel

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Like groups of easier or harder pacts

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EM seems a pretty mild addition for example

mossy light Oct 17, 2020, 9:15 AM

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Time limit is easy. Most of the 1 heat things are easy

hearty elbow Oct 17, 2020, 9:15 AM

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What pacts are "easiest" is one of the most commonly argued upon things, at basically every level of play

opal lodge Oct 17, 2020, 9:15 AM

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i mean if you tend to clear things fast TD1/2/maybe 3 are fine

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if you dont add other pacts

mossy light Oct 17, 2020, 9:15 AM

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Enemy reflex makes you gitgud

hearty elbow Oct 17, 2020, 9:15 AM

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There is nowhere close to a consensus

opal lodge Oct 17, 2020, 9:15 AM

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just start out and see what works for you

mossy light Oct 17, 2020, 9:15 AM

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Extreme I and II are easy

opal lodge Oct 17, 2020, 9:16 AM

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/what frustrates you to no end lol

tranquil violet Oct 17, 2020, 9:16 AM

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I just want a pact that makes Theseus mute

mossy light Oct 17, 2020, 9:16 AM

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Nobody likes the ones that miss builds. And the flat healing reduction or dam increases are mean

hearty elbow Oct 17, 2020, 9:16 AM

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You start forming consensuses when you're pushing 40+, where aspects start hitting their limits. It's easier to analyze that point from a more subjective standpoint.

tranquil violet Oct 17, 2020, 9:17 AM

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Makes sense

still vigil Oct 17, 2020, 9:17 AM

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40 heat?? That sounds daunting

mossy light Oct 17, 2020, 9:17 AM

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It is.

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32 broke my spirit

opal lodge Oct 17, 2020, 9:17 AM

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meanwhile im stuck in the 20s zaglol

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32 is currently breaking my spirit

hearty elbow Oct 17, 2020, 9:18 AM

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Nobody likes the ones that miss builds. And the flat healing reduction or dam increases are mean
@mossy light This is a perfect example. At low heat, Lasting Consequences is terrifying. The more you learn though, and when you get use to Stubborn Defiance, it becomes one of the most comfortable sources of 4 heat available. At this point I virtually never turn it off.

mossy light Oct 17, 2020, 9:18 AM

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I skipped 32 for hellmode and I'm back to having fun

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Woof. That's the power of gitgud

analog sail Oct 17, 2020, 9:18 AM

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It wasn't 32 heat that broke me, it was the 150 damage pots

opal lodge Oct 17, 2020, 9:19 AM

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they count as traps?

robust anchor Oct 17, 2020, 9:19 AM

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yes

hearty elbow Oct 17, 2020, 9:19 AM

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Don't worry, those will break you for the rest of time.

mossy light Oct 17, 2020, 9:19 AM

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dusa instakill pots

opal lodge Oct 17, 2020, 9:19 AM

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see this is why i cant do the security one LOL

hearty elbow Oct 17, 2020, 9:19 AM

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10, 100, or 1000 hours in.

mossy light Oct 17, 2020, 9:19 AM

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Yeah, screw security

robust anchor Oct 17, 2020, 9:19 AM

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dodge skull wave into 1837585929 damage pot peepocry

opal lodge Oct 17, 2020, 9:20 AM

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security made asphodel into by far the worst section for me i cry

hearty elbow Oct 17, 2020, 9:20 AM

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Keep in mind that Athena's Sure Footing applies multiplicatively to trap damage, not additively. So 90% from Epic is 15 damage from pots

mossy light Oct 17, 2020, 9:20 AM

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Oh good, I'm not the only sloppy person in asphodel

still vigil Oct 17, 2020, 9:20 AM

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Y’all really out here bein bold with PoP

opal lodge Oct 17, 2020, 9:20 AM

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im sloppy in all sections not just asphodel dw

mossy light Oct 17, 2020, 9:20 AM

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90 hours in. Still stand in lava

opal lodge Oct 17, 2020, 9:21 AM

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the sure footing tip is actually gigabrain

hearty elbow Oct 17, 2020, 9:21 AM

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500 hours in. Still stand in lava. Still paranoid about trying to reset my SD without an SD available.

opal lodge Oct 17, 2020, 9:21 AM

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i'll have to remeber that

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Still paranoid about trying to reset my SD without an SD available.
@hearty elbow pain

mossy light Oct 17, 2020, 9:21 AM

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You'll forget it. I already have

still vigil Oct 17, 2020, 9:21 AM

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Im just like gimme +100% atk, higher spd on everything instead

analog sail Oct 17, 2020, 9:21 AM

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I need to be bold for the bold skelly statue

mossy light Oct 17, 2020, 9:22 AM

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Just get gud rng. dusa

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Then die in the stxy and delete your save.

still vigil Oct 17, 2020, 9:22 AM

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Not with these jank builds I won’t

analog sail Oct 17, 2020, 9:22 AM

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Maybe I should trade FO2 for EM4

mossy light Oct 17, 2020, 9:22 AM

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And that's why I only have a hellmode file.

still vigil Oct 17, 2020, 9:23 AM

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Cantrelate

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I was a soft one and started on god mode cause everything hurt so badly qwq
The buff helped tho when I did use it

mossy light Oct 17, 2020, 9:24 AM

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No shame in that

still vigil Oct 17, 2020, 9:25 AM

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I wonder how everything would feel if I did go back on god mode

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Cause I’m so used to takin moderate to lil damage while using gilga

hearty elbow Oct 17, 2020, 9:26 AM

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It's not that different conceptually from having Hard Labor 5 on then just not having it on. Feels pretty good lol.

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Except the God Mode ramp is pretty slow though, isn't it?

still vigil Oct 17, 2020, 9:28 AM

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Yea but it maxed out fast fer my reckless self when I started using gilga more XD

mossy light Oct 17, 2020, 9:28 AM

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Hard labor 5. Man. That's some serious gitgud

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How many hits do you die in?

still vigil Oct 17, 2020, 9:28 AM

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It doesn’t feel that bad tbh

hearty elbow Oct 17, 2020, 9:28 AM

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With Stubborn Defiance? 2 typically

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Until you start picking up hearts

mossy light Oct 17, 2020, 9:29 AM

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Fair enough

still vigil Oct 17, 2020, 9:29 AM

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I dun mind HL5 cause of plume and greater reflex

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But that might change if i ever decide to do extremely high heat

hearty elbow Oct 17, 2020, 9:30 AM

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With Routine Inspection 2, Hard Labor 5 and Stubborn Defiance it's 1 hit if it's not like a Numbskull or something lol

mossy light Oct 17, 2020, 9:30 AM

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Do hell mode skelly challenges have the same heat as normal?

hearty elbow Oct 17, 2020, 9:30 AM

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Yes

mossy light Oct 17, 2020, 9:30 AM

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dusa

still vigil Oct 17, 2020, 9:31 AM

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owo

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I think imma try talos

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Any tips?

robust anchor Oct 17, 2020, 9:33 AM

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punch

hearty elbow Oct 17, 2020, 9:33 AM

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You can build it like you do the rest of the Fists. Either Merciful End, Divine Strike, or Lightning Strike

mossy light Oct 17, 2020, 9:33 AM

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Go back to the aspect screen and pick the one below it @still vigil

analog sail Oct 17, 2020, 9:33 AM

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Usually when I use Talos I still forget I have a special for half the run

still vigil Oct 17, 2020, 9:33 AM

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Qwq

hearty elbow Oct 17, 2020, 9:33 AM

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Tip for Talos though, you can cancel the animation to get the suck without the actual dash upper

mossy light Oct 17, 2020, 9:33 AM

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I use talos. It's fine

still vigil Oct 17, 2020, 9:34 AM

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Huh? How does that work @hearty elbow

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Even tho some aspects are jank fer my likin I’d still like to tinker around to see what clicks

hearty elbow Oct 17, 2020, 9:35 AM

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Sorry, didn't mean dash upper, I meant normal special. Just press special then dash right after

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You get the suck but don't have to do the special animation

still vigil Oct 17, 2020, 9:35 AM

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Ohh okay!

hearty elbow Oct 17, 2020, 9:36 AM

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Just tried it, you can cancel the dash upper using dash strike

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Dash by itself is enough for the standing special

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themoreyouknow.jpg

still vigil Oct 17, 2020, 9:37 AM

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Ooo

hearty elbow Oct 17, 2020, 9:38 AM

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Another tip, you can buffer a dash upper out of a dash strike, using 1 dash.

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The input is Dash Strike > Press Special. You have to be very fast, but you can basically do Dash Strike > Special > Dash Strike to cancel all of the animations very cleanly.

still vigil Oct 17, 2020, 9:39 AM

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Ooo i did it

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That’s kinda cold

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I’ve always wanted some tips on animation cancelling in this game

hearty elbow Oct 17, 2020, 9:40 AM

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I tend to like Demeter Aspect a lot more myself, because it does a lot of the same things that Talos does, but instead of pulling an enemy, it just kills it outright lol. But it does look less fancy.

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Malphon isn't my specialty, there may be others I'm missing. Particularly on Gilgamesh, as what's his face on here was so kind to mention.

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Though from my attempts, it really does seem like Gilgamesh just can't cancel anything into anything lol

still vigil Oct 17, 2020, 9:43 AM

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Hmmm icic

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Thank ya fer the information ☺️

hearty elbow Oct 17, 2020, 9:44 AM

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You're welcome 🙂

still vigil Oct 17, 2020, 9:47 AM

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Is there an aspect aside from rama arthur and demeter that can chunk?

mossy light Oct 17, 2020, 9:47 AM

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Hera is my preference

hearty elbow Oct 17, 2020, 9:47 AM

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Hestia, Chiron with Relentless and/or Concentrated

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Beo, Hera, Poseidon, and Achilles can all do burst cast builds

mossy light Oct 17, 2020, 9:48 AM

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Also a nade hammer exagryph

hearty elbow Oct 17, 2020, 9:48 AM

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Eris Rail doesn't really "chunk" so much as it does sustained extremely large amounts of damage.

mossy light Oct 17, 2020, 9:49 AM

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At any rate, hera's my best aspect

hearty elbow Oct 17, 2020, 9:49 AM

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Hades aspect with Deadly Strike/Flourish and Serrated Point/Exploding Launcher is chunky, Charged Flight on Beo, Charged Skewer on Guan Yu

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Charged Volley on either Zag Bow or Hera.

mossy light Oct 17, 2020, 9:51 AM

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Charge hammers are that good?

hearty elbow Oct 17, 2020, 9:51 AM

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Yeah

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Volley is the worst of them because you have to sacrifice range. Probably around the same relatively usefulness as Charged Shot on Shield isn't really damage multiplier as it is just a totally different attack.

mossy light Oct 17, 2020, 9:52 AM

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I mean, I won with charged volley, but I don't know how much it contributed

turbid needle Oct 17, 2020, 9:52 AM

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whwt are good things to make use of zeus special atk boon

hearty elbow Oct 17, 2020, 9:52 AM

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Charged Volley is excellent if you have it set up, but a lot of people are daunted by going into point blank melee range.

turbid needle Oct 17, 2020, 9:53 AM

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i told my SF as she playing on mh save now

mossy light Oct 17, 2020, 9:53 AM

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@turbid needle bow, spear

turbid needle Oct 17, 2020, 9:53 AM

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using gaunlets to thraw them and lets count for area

mossy light Oct 17, 2020, 9:53 AM

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Shield

turbid needle Oct 17, 2020, 9:53 AM

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she got more.than 110% from.chaos gates

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btw

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whats the point of gicing everybody nectar

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im tryinf to focus on few

mossy light Oct 17, 2020, 9:54 AM

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Keepsakes

turbid needle Oct 17, 2020, 9:54 AM

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also ivr killed hades 2 times

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week afo maybe with bow very cloze fight pretty sure im going to lost