#h1-builds-and-combat | Supergiant Games | Page 683

worn citrus Oct 16, 2020, 1:53 PM

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Ok, so I have demeter gauntlets. Rolling Knuckle or Flying Cutter?

cold mason Oct 16, 2020, 1:53 PM

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checks the answer is yes

worn citrus Oct 16, 2020, 1:53 PM

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Does Flying Cutter even work with the 5x special?

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 1:53 PM

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@unkempt zephyr but that's Heroic + backstab damage etc. lol.

red mist Oct 16, 2020, 1:53 PM

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so you're just making it a numbers game, which isn't an interesting decision

cold mason Oct 16, 2020, 1:53 PM

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@worn citrus flying cutter blows

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it probably "works" but it blows so I wouldn't

red mist Oct 16, 2020, 1:54 PM

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@worn citrus depends if you care about attacking

worn citrus Oct 16, 2020, 1:54 PM

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So I guess dash strike damage?

cold mason Oct 16, 2020, 1:54 PM

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dash strike damage is love

red mist Oct 16, 2020, 1:54 PM

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dash strike damage is deece

cold mason Oct 16, 2020, 1:54 PM

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dash strike damage is life

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what's the third choice?

worn citrus Oct 16, 2020, 1:54 PM

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I feel like my main damage source is probably my special though. Especially for bosses. Idk.

unkempt zephyr Oct 16, 2020, 1:54 PM

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@unkempt zephyr but that's Heroic + backstab damage etc. lol.
@cunning urchin its can be epic lvl 5 +backstab. but its my lovely athena attack. 400-600 damage.

worn citrus Oct 16, 2020, 1:54 PM

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Kinetic launcher

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I don't like that one

red mist Oct 16, 2020, 1:54 PM

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idk I have moved on to forcing ME on fists

cold mason Oct 16, 2020, 1:54 PM

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It is your main damage jirwe the problem is the range kind of messes with your timing

red mist Oct 16, 2020, 1:54 PM

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once you've been there you won't do anything else on fists

cold mason Oct 16, 2020, 1:54 PM

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imo anyway

worn citrus Oct 16, 2020, 1:55 PM

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Ah yeah, that's true

cold mason Oct 16, 2020, 1:55 PM

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ME?

red mist Oct 16, 2020, 1:55 PM

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merciful end

cold mason Oct 16, 2020, 1:55 PM

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Oh right

red mist Oct 16, 2020, 1:55 PM

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literally 500+ damage per dash strike

worn citrus Oct 16, 2020, 1:55 PM

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With what?

red mist Oct 16, 2020, 1:55 PM

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once you get there you need no other buttons

worn citrus Oct 16, 2020, 1:55 PM

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Deflect on attack and doom on special?

cold mason Oct 16, 2020, 1:55 PM

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Deflect on dash I'm guessing

worn citrus Oct 16, 2020, 1:55 PM

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Or other way around?

red mist Oct 16, 2020, 1:55 PM

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opposite, doom attack, athena dash

worn citrus Oct 16, 2020, 1:55 PM

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Ooooh

red mist Oct 16, 2020, 1:55 PM

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athena special just to qualify for ME

cold mason Oct 16, 2020, 1:56 PM

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you can't get ME with just dash?

red mist Oct 16, 2020, 1:56 PM

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nope

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but it's worth it

worn citrus Oct 16, 2020, 1:56 PM

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That makes sense. I'll try for that if I die on this run

cold mason Oct 16, 2020, 1:56 PM

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ugh you're right that's so lame

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but yeah

red mist Oct 16, 2020, 1:56 PM

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me thinks this warrants nerfing

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 1:57 PM

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That's because ME was so dominant in Early Access.

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So they changed the requirements.

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Also because Divine Dash is already the #1 Dash in the game by miles and the #1 pick.

red mist Oct 16, 2020, 1:57 PM

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it's probably not worth their dev time to change the other dashes sadly

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unless DLC is on the way

cinder flower Oct 16, 2020, 1:58 PM

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I thought you weren't supposed to see this unless you had the keepsake? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/369256100954112027/766660939034263582/20201016_095620.jpg

red mist Oct 16, 2020, 1:58 PM

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that's part of his favor

cinder flower Oct 16, 2020, 1:58 PM

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That's my starter boon with Athena keepsake lol

red mist Oct 16, 2020, 1:58 PM

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next time it's locked behind requirements

steady hatch Oct 16, 2020, 1:58 PM

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So @steady hatch yeah, if I ran doomstacks on eris attack it should do crazy damage right? 👀
@cold mason ME builds on eris were quite popular pre-1.0, and it's still quite good

cinder flower Oct 16, 2020, 1:58 PM

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Oh OK

karmic dust Oct 16, 2020, 1:58 PM

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@cinder flower same thing happened to me a few runs ago

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 1:59 PM

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That's just a scripted event after you get the fishing pole.

red mist Oct 16, 2020, 1:59 PM

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as if poseidon wasn't already the aquaman of the team

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supergiant doubles down with a totally meme legendary boon lol

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I love it

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they know that some players like jank

karmic dust Oct 16, 2020, 2:00 PM

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bruh poseidon boons can wreck if you spec correctly

ripe osprey Oct 16, 2020, 2:00 PM

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Wait how good is Zeus shield compared to the others and overall weapon wise?

red mist Oct 16, 2020, 2:00 PM

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as I understand, zeus shield has a fairly low ceiling

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you can put some boons on your special and that's as far as it goes

ripe osprey Oct 16, 2020, 2:01 PM

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ah okay

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but good is it?

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how good*

cold mason Oct 16, 2020, 2:01 PM

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so what's considered the best revenge boon, out of curiosity? And yes I know you can have multiple

red mist Oct 16, 2020, 2:01 PM

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if they're zeus boons they'll definitely auto-win, but that's because they're zeus boons, not because of zeus shield

cold mason Oct 16, 2020, 2:01 PM

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i really like the demeter one that does max freeze but yeah

karmic dust Oct 16, 2020, 2:02 PM

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Typhoon's Fury + Razor Shoals + Sea Storm is amazing, I beat Hades without dying once for the first time using that with Demeter fists

worn citrus Oct 16, 2020, 2:20 PM

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Daaaamn

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Got EM4 first try. Lambent plume is so good.

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 2:21 PM

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@cold mason Frost Touch or Holy Shield. Don't really care about any of the others.

ripe osprey Oct 16, 2020, 2:21 PM

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Hold on, what boons go well with Zeus shield?

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Other than Zeus boon

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for special

worn citrus Oct 16, 2020, 2:21 PM

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Merciful end build lol

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Put deflect on special and doom on attack, or something like that

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 2:21 PM

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Frost Touch is guaranteed to hit and applies 10 stacks of Chill instantly, which can really help out because it slows them down a lot.

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Holy Shield is just some extra protection that's always nice to have, but it's not as good as her other boons in most situations.

weary ridge Oct 16, 2020, 2:24 PM

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Yeah my revenge vote is for frost touch

worn citrus Oct 16, 2020, 2:25 PM

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How does it compare to other revenge boons if you have arctic blast though?

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It loses its versatility then, so to speak. It just becomes a damage boon.

unkempt zephyr Oct 16, 2020, 2:26 PM

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and if you have arctic blast after you taking damage all Foe around take 10 stucks=> all of them blow up and do damage to each other.Its huge damage.

worn citrus Oct 16, 2020, 2:26 PM

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This is true.

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 2:27 PM

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No, Frost Touch only targets the specific enemy that hit you.

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It's not AOE.

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Arctic Blast is AOE.

worn citrus Oct 16, 2020, 2:27 PM

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Yeah, but I asked how it would compare IF you had arctic blast

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Since you lose the benefit of it slowing, it just activates arctic blast immediately.

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 2:28 PM

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I'm saying it doesn't hit all enemies around you. It's still single-target.

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But it's also still guaranteed to hit.

worn citrus Oct 16, 2020, 2:28 PM

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Yeah, you're right. But arctic blast IS aoe.

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But the enemy won't be right on top of you, so it's not an aoe from Zag.

unkempt zephyr Oct 16, 2020, 2:29 PM

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probably its was my another regenge dooms) FT realy hit only one target. target what deal damage to you. not all.

red mist Oct 16, 2020, 2:29 PM

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well in any case it's not exactly the effect one would want out of a revenge boon

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 2:30 PM

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No, it's good with Arctic Blast, too.

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Because it's guaranteed to hit.

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Most revenge boons are weak because they have a small AOE around Zagreus.

red mist Oct 16, 2020, 2:31 PM

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indeed

unkempt zephyr Oct 16, 2020, 2:31 PM

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most insane revenge combo what i found its Aphro in build.Dying Lament + revenge boons and Duo(ares+ zeus). its clean smalls enemy instantly.

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 2:34 PM

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Let's see . . .

Wave of Despair: 700 AOE + Weak
Curse of Vengeance: 450 AOE
Holy Shield: 225 AOE + Deflect
Frozen Touch: guaranteed hit + 10x Chill
Heaven's Vengeance: 120 AOE

unkempt zephyr Oct 16, 2020, 2:34 PM

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and you dont need have ahpro in main slots to apply Weak every 4 seconds in melle weapons

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 2:34 PM

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Holy Shield, Frozen Touch, Wave of Despair are good.

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Curse of Vengeance, Heaven's Vengeance are bad.

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Imo.

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Oh wait, Heaven's Vengeance should target your enemy.

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And the Lightning Bolt has 120 radius.

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I think.

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Hmm. That might not be too bad.

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A: Frozen Touch
C: Holy Shield, Wave of Despair
D: Heaven's Vengeance
F: Curse of Vengeance

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Like this?

unkempt zephyr Oct 16, 2020, 2:39 PM

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my opinion Curse of Vengeance most damage in revenge build/becaus its have alote more scaling than Doom on attack or special. If add IM its start do Huge numbers. Becaus base rare attack have 75 doom damage, rare special have 80. Curse of Vengeance have 120. and its scails much better. becaus lvl 2 have 200 damage. Add to this ID lvl 2 and its be 400 damage.

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2 rare boons and 2 poms =400 damage.

red mist Oct 16, 2020, 2:40 PM

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"revenge build"

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alrighty let's not get too crazy here

fierce thicket Oct 16, 2020, 2:41 PM

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it's a meme but very funny to try to collect all revenges with zeus/ares duo

unkempt zephyr Oct 16, 2020, 2:41 PM

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becaus i close 32 Heat Em4 in artut in revenge ME build. and its be numbers 1k doom every 3 second.

red mist Oct 16, 2020, 2:41 PM

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I can buy that

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if you have ME, holy shield and curse of vengeance do they all go off at once

raw blade Oct 16, 2020, 2:43 PM

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I would love it if the victory screen w your most used/highest damage(?) boons of the run saved that data somewhere (like how the security setup does) so that I could keep track not just of which boons I picked up the most but also which ones I used effectively the most often. it's not saved anywhere accessible though right?

red mist Oct 16, 2020, 2:43 PM

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too bad the feedback channel's closed now

raw blade Oct 16, 2020, 2:45 PM

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I mean if I could download all the stats into a csv in this game I would XD

unkempt zephyr Oct 16, 2020, 2:48 PM

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if you have ME, holy shield and curse of vengeance do they all go off at once
@red mist Yup. all vengence boons every 3 second.and all do they effects at once with Revenge Duo.

frigid canyon Oct 16, 2020, 2:48 PM

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Is it just me or is Gilgamesh op as heck

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The base damage is just bonkers

unkempt zephyr Oct 16, 2020, 2:49 PM

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yup

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not only for you.60 base damage with AoE its huge in rigth hands.

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 2:57 PM

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my opinion Curse of Vengeance most damage
Yeah, for sure! But the AOE is so small.

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If you play with e.g. Chiron, it's useless lol.

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Frozen Touch is always good in any build.

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And 10x Chill is so nice. :)

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Holy Shield: Deflect and i-frames!

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Wave of Despair: BIG AOE and 30% DR. squirtnya

unkempt zephyr Oct 16, 2020, 3:03 PM

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Yup...vengeance boon specific using. best of course for melee.agree Frozen Touch amazing.VS bosses specialy.

calm saddle Oct 16, 2020, 3:04 PM

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vegenance boon was really fun when i maxed poseidon dash

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just run into things and they die

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 3:06 PM

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lol I'm imagining Tidal Dash + Curse of Drowning.

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That might be a good combo.

unkempt zephyr Oct 16, 2020, 3:07 PM

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not so realy good))) becaus after dash no one near you. and Curse of Drowning dont deal damage

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 3:07 PM

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Have you tried?

unkempt zephyr Oct 16, 2020, 3:08 PM

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yup)

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I had high hopes for this combo)

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 3:08 PM

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Me too. zaglol

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Hmmm. But good damage vs bosses?

unkempt zephyr Oct 16, 2020, 3:09 PM

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Curse of Drowning INSANE scaling. becaus its deal x3 damage of your poseidons cast numbers.

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its mean if poseidon cast have 160 damage on tooltip.With Curse of Drowning do 480 damage.

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 3:10 PM

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Yeah, Curse of Drowning does so much damage.

primal hazel Oct 16, 2020, 3:10 PM

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Wait it scales of cast?
Have you plaid with eris lol

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 3:11 PM

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But bad with Poseidon Aspect at 40. zaglol

unkempt zephyr Oct 16, 2020, 3:11 PM

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best and fun what i find for Curse of Drowning its....talos) you pull enemy into abyss damage.

void fjord Oct 16, 2020, 3:11 PM

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achilles aspect wld be good rite with curse of drowning?

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 3:11 PM

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Yeah! Talos + Curse of Drowning is amazing.

primal hazel Oct 16, 2020, 3:11 PM

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Hmm makes sense
I was just thinking of buffing damage

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But it should also scale of every weapon that increases cast damage I'd assume

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 3:12 PM

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Curse of Drowning: every cast does 3 pulses.

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That's why it's triple damage.

unkempt zephyr Oct 16, 2020, 3:12 PM

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epic 7 lvl poseidon cast . 4 usages of cast do more that 4.4k damage NOT in cast weapon.

primal hazel Oct 16, 2020, 3:13 PM

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Btw if I burn 3 stones does it just auto 9 pulses?

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 3:13 PM

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Yes.

primal hazel Oct 16, 2020, 3:13 PM

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Only played with it once for completion

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Decent
I can even brain afk with it then

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 3:13 PM

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It's risky because the AOE is small.

unkempt zephyr Oct 16, 2020, 3:13 PM

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It's risky because the AOE is small.
@cunning urchin Thats true. BUT with Talos ))))

primal hazel Oct 16, 2020, 3:13 PM

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Still bigger than fist attack range lol

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 3:14 PM

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AOE is basically like Curse of Vengeance AOE.

primal hazel Oct 16, 2020, 3:14 PM

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Felt a bit larger to me

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 3:15 PM

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Yeah, I don't have numbers for it. But that's roughly the range.

unkempt zephyr Oct 16, 2020, 3:15 PM

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And the very bad news is that he does not work with curse damage boons and all Posendon boons. Because he stops knocking down.

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 3:15 PM

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Yeah.

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It also doesn't work with Poseidon Aspect Special because the cast doesn't lodge.

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You'll want to use Stygian Soul.

unkempt zephyr Oct 16, 2020, 3:16 PM

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yup...only ahillies or talos can be realy insane with it.

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ahillies becaus you easy break distance.and with talos pull enemy

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 3:17 PM

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And Talos can easily stunlock with Attack while hitting with pulses.

unkempt zephyr Oct 16, 2020, 3:19 PM

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I wrote to the reviews. I asked for rework. Because this is the only duo that does not work with anything.

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Poms and wepons,bad news.

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 3:20 PM

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But it's 3x damage.

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So . . . I think it's okay lol.

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You win a lot, but you lose some. :)

unkempt zephyr Oct 16, 2020, 3:21 PM

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becaus no reason do build after you have This duo.you can sell any thing.Totaly just cast and duo.

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 3:21 PM

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Great cast duo for melee! That's why I like it.

primal hazel Oct 16, 2020, 3:21 PM

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At least you get to have big money

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 3:21 PM

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It's unique in that way.

primal hazel Oct 16, 2020, 3:21 PM

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Is there a greed slash for fists?

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 3:22 PM

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Like Hoarding Slash? No.

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Only on Stygius.

primal hazel Oct 16, 2020, 3:22 PM

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Hoarding
Forgot the name

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Sad Boxing noises

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 3:22 PM

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Noooo.

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Don't give them any ideas.

primal hazel Oct 16, 2020, 3:23 PM

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Muhahaha

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squirtheh

unkempt zephyr Oct 16, 2020, 3:23 PM

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i like Demeter+poseidon with Stygian soul. Huge damage. and becaus cast fly more that 3 seconds

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 3:24 PM

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Malphon hammers are so good after all the 100+ feedback posts I wrote on my main weapon. I don't want a bad hammer like that diluting my pool. zaglol

primal hazel Oct 16, 2020, 3:24 PM

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You just a hater

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 3:24 PM

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Yes.

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I hate bad hammer upgrades. dusa

primal hazel Oct 16, 2020, 3:24 PM

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Hoarding is awesome
If you play deep pockets
And spend no money
On heat zero

unkempt zephyr Oct 16, 2020, 3:25 PM

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Btw need to test this Hoarding Slash. an how its truly work.

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 3:25 PM

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Good for what? You're still slower than if you spent all that money and took a good hammer. zaglol

primal hazel Oct 16, 2020, 3:25 PM

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But I'm cool then

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bouldy

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 3:26 PM

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You'll have a lot of money that has little value. bouldy

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I think a lot of people have a lot of fun with it, so it's a good hammer.

primal hazel Oct 16, 2020, 3:26 PM

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It has the value of 5% of itself

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Don't you give up on your position now

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We all know it's not about fun

ocean mural Oct 16, 2020, 3:28 PM

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Yo apart from ||chaos boons, Poseidon boons and fishing like my life depends on it || anyone got anything else to help out grinding gems? Find I only get about ~300 a run without bounties and need to get about 18000 gems ignoring ||titles||

primal hazel Oct 16, 2020, 3:28 PM

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You already got the gem drop on boss from house contractor?

ocean mural Oct 16, 2020, 3:29 PM

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yeye this post epilogue

primal hazel Oct 16, 2020, 3:29 PM

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Also broker trades kappa

ocean mural Oct 16, 2020, 3:29 PM

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trueeeeeee

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 3:29 PM

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Use TD to disable survival rooms.

primal hazel Oct 16, 2020, 3:29 PM

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I can't imagine anything else
You on that cosmetic grind?

ocean mural Oct 16, 2020, 3:30 PM

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...yeah

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@cunning urchin TD?

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 3:31 PM

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Tight Deadline.

ocean mural Oct 16, 2020, 3:31 PM

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Ah that does that, based

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 3:31 PM

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Yup.

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Speeds things up a bit.

primal hazel Oct 16, 2020, 3:31 PM

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Wow
I didn't even notice I got no survival room on my first TD run lol

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TD 1 should just be called "Tight" Deadline

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 3:32 PM

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Imagine my surprise when I started my Hell mode save and suddenly had a survival room that I hadn't seen in months lol.

spiral tree Oct 16, 2020, 3:32 PM

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So do keys have any use besides converting them into other stuff after you unlocked full mirror ?

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 3:32 PM

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TD1 is just "It's dangerous to go alone. Take this free 1 Heat!"

primal hazel Oct 16, 2020, 3:32 PM

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No

spiral tree Oct 16, 2020, 3:32 PM

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Oh the badge thing

primal hazel Oct 16, 2020, 3:33 PM

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Yup

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 3:33 PM

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Yeah, just ||badge|| upgrades and trades.

spiral tree Oct 16, 2020, 3:33 PM

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Ok anyone have any suggestions for aph attack on Arthur build?

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Usually I get art special and divine dash

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To get heart rend

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But any other suggestions?

primal hazel Oct 16, 2020, 3:34 PM

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Yeah
Go art attack

spiral tree Oct 16, 2020, 3:34 PM

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Art attack over aph attack?

primal hazel Oct 16, 2020, 3:34 PM

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Whole different build residentzag

spiral tree Oct 16, 2020, 3:34 PM

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I’ve done both

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Sadly I don’t think merciful end is that good with Arthur

primal hazel Oct 16, 2020, 3:35 PM

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Then you've done everything there is to do on arthur
squirtnya

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 3:35 PM

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Heart Rend is useless with Heartbreak Strike.

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Heartbreak Strike, Divine Dash, Zeus' Aid, Smoldering Air.

spiral tree Oct 16, 2020, 3:35 PM

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LOL void

primal hazel Oct 16, 2020, 3:35 PM

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You could poseidon just for big splash flavour

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Don't expect anything tho

spiral tree Oct 16, 2020, 3:36 PM

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Heart rend useless with aph attack?

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 3:36 PM

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Yes.

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Your attacks ain't gonna crit lol.

primal hazel Oct 16, 2020, 3:36 PM

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It increases your crit damage

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And crit is pretty useless on arthur special

spiral tree Oct 16, 2020, 3:36 PM

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Hmm

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 3:36 PM

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Meta for Excalibur is Heartbreak Strike, Deadly Strike, or Divine Strike.

primal hazel Oct 16, 2020, 3:36 PM

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You just want to big aoe weaken and then one shot

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 3:37 PM

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They're all good.

ocean mural Oct 16, 2020, 3:37 PM

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whelp cya all in 40 hrs when i get all them THEMES BOI

spiral tree Oct 16, 2020, 3:37 PM

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Divine strike on Arthur has been OP

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I can’t tell if I like it better than heartbreaker strike tho

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Both so good

primal hazel Oct 16, 2020, 3:37 PM

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You're overestimating your farming speed lol

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How does one play divine on arthur?

spiral tree Oct 16, 2020, 3:37 PM

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Aura slows everything down

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Divine strike is baseball time as they say

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Baseball has been fun

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I always hope for witches room

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Seeing a billion fireballs freeze in aura and deflecting them is so cool lol

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 3:38 PM

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How does one play divine on arthur?
Special > Attack x1000

spiral tree Oct 16, 2020, 3:38 PM

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^

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 3:38 PM

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Sometimes Special inbetween.

spiral tree Oct 16, 2020, 3:38 PM

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Lol

primal hazel Oct 16, 2020, 3:39 PM

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That's one hell of a power fantasy

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Suddenly hades is anime

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 3:39 PM

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I like Heartbreak Strike + Lambent Plume lol.

spiral tree Oct 16, 2020, 3:39 PM

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Also someone here said shadow slash is good on Arthur because of the wide hit box it can backstab sometimes while facing away

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Lol

real garden Oct 16, 2020, 3:39 PM

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i did excal runs with athena dash and attack, took 0 damage during the ||hades ||fight

spiral tree Oct 16, 2020, 3:39 PM

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Honestly

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 3:39 PM

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You can easily get 3000+ eHP. zaglol

spiral tree Oct 16, 2020, 3:39 PM

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Lambert plume hasn’t been had on Arthur so far

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Arthur attack is slow but it hasn’t hindered me too much

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Got to like 23% with plume

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 3:40 PM

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Also someone here said shadow slash is good on Arthur because of the wide hit box it can backstab sometimes while facing away
Yes, you can backstab an enemy that's behind and facing Zagreus lol.

spiral tree Oct 16, 2020, 3:40 PM

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Yeah it’s wild haha

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Dark souls dead angle haha

primal hazel Oct 16, 2020, 3:41 PM

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I'm gonna go recreate the KH2 laser scene in the witches room

spiral tree Oct 16, 2020, 3:41 PM

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Lol

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 3:41 PM

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zaglol

primal hazel Oct 16, 2020, 3:42 PM

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Weird nostalgia but nostalgia non the less

spiral tree Oct 16, 2020, 3:42 PM

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So after heartbreak strike on Arthur and say divine dash of course what else ? @cunning urchin

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 3:42 PM

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Zeus' Aid, Smoldering Air.

unkempt zephyr Oct 16, 2020, 3:43 PM

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Look like Athena Baseball club Grow up. shadesmile

spiral tree Oct 16, 2020, 3:43 PM

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For special I guess ares or zeus?

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 3:43 PM

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Second Wind.

primal hazel Oct 16, 2020, 3:43 PM

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Zeus special actually might be interesting on arthur
Are the bolts flat damage?

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 3:44 PM

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I'd prioritize Zeus' Aid over Divine Dash.

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Thunder Flourish is bad on Excalibur lol.

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Special boon doesn't matter tbh.

primal hazel Oct 16, 2020, 3:44 PM

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shadegrief

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 3:45 PM

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Divine Flourish would be ideal for the deflects, but it doesn't really matter. Special boon shouldn't be a priority. You shouldn't waste rerolls on trying to get one.

spiral tree Oct 16, 2020, 3:45 PM

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Yeah the aura is what I need

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 3:45 PM

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But again, top priority should be Smoldering Air, and then Second Wind + Divine Dash.

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Smoldering Air + Second Wind means 30~45% Dodge 98% of the time lol, and bonus movement speed.

spiral tree Oct 16, 2020, 3:47 PM

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Wow

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 3:47 PM

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Your eHP goes through the roof with that + Holy Aura + Weak.

spiral tree Oct 16, 2020, 3:47 PM

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So keepsake in tarturus should be rose

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Then plume rest of the game

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 3:48 PM

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Just for reference, 200 HP with Epic Second Wind + Weak + Holy Aura is worth 866 eHP lol.

primal hazel Oct 16, 2020, 3:48 PM

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Owl then rose

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 3:48 PM

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Hmmm. No.

spiral tree Oct 16, 2020, 3:48 PM

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Owl?

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Why Athena

unkempt zephyr Oct 16, 2020, 3:48 PM

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Just for reference, 200 HP with Epic Second Wind + Weak + Holy Aura is worth 866 eHP lol.
@cunning urchin Add to this Ahillies bracers)

spiral tree Oct 16, 2020, 3:49 PM

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What’s ehp?

untold iris Oct 16, 2020, 3:49 PM

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effective hp

calm saddle Oct 16, 2020, 3:49 PM

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idk what u guys are talking about but athena dash is prob the reason u start her keepsake

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 3:49 PM

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Eternal Rose > Thunder Signet > Coin Purse > Bracer (or whatever you want really because you'll have so much eHP lol)
Plume > Plume > Plume > Plume

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That's what I do. Either of those.

primal hazel Oct 16, 2020, 3:50 PM

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Divine strike???

round frost Oct 16, 2020, 3:50 PM

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Question, does the hermes plume have a cap dodge ammount?

primal hazel Oct 16, 2020, 3:50 PM

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Thanks for the support ace but it seems im just wrong lol

sly night Oct 16, 2020, 3:50 PM

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hunter's mark or crits do 145% to armor?

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I have 15% crit on my attack

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not using aspect, sword

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 3:51 PM

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Arrowhead > Owl Pendant/Eternal Rose > Coin Purse > whatever
Owl Pendant > Arrowhead > Coin Purse > whatever

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Those are for Deadly Strike or Divine Strike builds.

calm saddle Oct 16, 2020, 3:51 PM

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YEP

round frost Oct 16, 2020, 3:51 PM

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I just love to build a full dodge build with the fists.

primal hazel Oct 16, 2020, 3:52 PM

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Who stacks dodge

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 3:52 PM

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No Dodge cap, just however many encounters you actually get in your run is the cap.

spiral tree Oct 16, 2020, 3:52 PM

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Hmm

calm saddle Oct 16, 2020, 3:52 PM

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i stack dodge on zag fists

round frost Oct 16, 2020, 3:52 PM

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last run i did i got up to 31.4% dodge with plume

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 3:52 PM

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You should stack Dodge lol. The more dodge, the better each additional % of Dodge.

calm saddle Oct 16, 2020, 3:52 PM

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plus athena dash means u take no dmg

unkempt zephyr Oct 16, 2020, 3:53 PM

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or if you have Ruthless rexlex with +50% dodje

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 3:53 PM

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That too lol.

primal hazel Oct 16, 2020, 3:53 PM

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Implying that I'm serious bouldy

round frost Oct 16, 2020, 3:53 PM

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is ruthless relfex a mirror option?

spiral tree Oct 16, 2020, 3:54 PM

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Thanks @cunning urchin gonna try that

primal hazel Oct 16, 2020, 3:54 PM

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Yes

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?

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Isn't that the dodge

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 3:54 PM

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Ruthless is +50% damage and dodge, yeah.

unkempt zephyr Oct 16, 2020, 3:54 PM

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also Second Wind from hermes + ArproZeus Duo mean + 100% uptime of MINIMUM 30% dodje.

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 3:55 PM

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@unkempt zephyr no, it's 99% uptime because you need to wait 5 seconds for the first Call. zaglol

unkempt zephyr Oct 16, 2020, 3:55 PM

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@cunning urchin Not big deal)

round frost Oct 16, 2020, 3:55 PM

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i have to lose the double dash for the rulthess relfex right?

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 3:55 PM

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Please buff. squirtnya

primal hazel Oct 16, 2020, 3:55 PM

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Yep

spiral tree Oct 16, 2020, 3:55 PM

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I like cursed slash a lot with Arthur

calm saddle Oct 16, 2020, 3:55 PM

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yeah its great

primal hazel Oct 16, 2020, 3:55 PM

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Mobile gy

round frost Oct 16, 2020, 3:56 PM

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now i have to try a ruthless relfex run.

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rn

unkempt zephyr Oct 16, 2020, 3:56 PM

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i have to lose the double dash for the rulthess relfex right?
@round frost Yup.but you can easy have + dashes from hermes.

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 3:56 PM

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@round frost yes, but +50% Dodge + Holy Aura (40% DR) already more than triples your eHP lol.

untold iris Oct 16, 2020, 3:56 PM

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if I'm trying out poseidon sword, which casts/gods should I look for?
also I assume hammers aren't as important?

primal hazel Oct 16, 2020, 3:56 PM

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Zeus and Athena cast are decent

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 3:57 PM

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True Shot and Phalanx Shot have been my most successful runs at 40 Heat with Poseidon Aspect, so far.

primal hazel Oct 16, 2020, 3:57 PM

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Artemis exit wounds

spare flare Oct 16, 2020, 3:57 PM

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Artemis. Exit Wounds.

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 3:57 PM

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That's with Infernal Soul.

primal hazel Oct 16, 2020, 3:57 PM

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Jinx

unkempt pagoda Oct 16, 2020, 3:57 PM

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lightning phalanx

primal hazel Oct 16, 2020, 3:57 PM

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Why would I okay poseidon with stygian?

spare flare Oct 16, 2020, 3:57 PM

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Hammers are never not important.

round frost Oct 16, 2020, 3:57 PM

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whats holy aura?

half crater Oct 16, 2020, 3:57 PM

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is there any reason to not go infernal soul with Poseidon aspect?

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 3:57 PM

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Lightning Phalanx isn't that good.

primal hazel Oct 16, 2020, 3:57 PM

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The aura from arthur special

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 3:58 PM

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Parting Shot is way better.

half crater Oct 16, 2020, 3:58 PM

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seems like stygian would just be shooting yourself in the foot

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 3:58 PM

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Lightning Phalanx removes the acceleration from Phalanx Shot. That's really bad especially if you have any points in FO.

untold iris Oct 16, 2020, 3:58 PM

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are other casts fine too or should I prioritize artemis/athena?

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 3:58 PM

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No, Stygian Soul is the better choice for non-lodging casts like if you're going for Hunting Blades.

calm saddle Oct 16, 2020, 3:59 PM

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or fog

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 3:59 PM

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You can make viable cast builds from every base cast.

untold iris Oct 16, 2020, 3:59 PM

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the one run I tried I ended up with the poseidon+demeter duo

half crater Oct 16, 2020, 3:59 PM

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but would you really hunting blades/fog/whatever on poseidon?

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like, achilles exists

untold iris Oct 16, 2020, 3:59 PM

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it was pretty underwhelming at first but did a lot of damage later on once I got the duo boon and some poms into cast

unkempt pagoda Oct 16, 2020, 3:59 PM

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achilles forces you to play achilles

red mist Oct 16, 2020, 3:59 PM

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I was told that pos/dem duo was great

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Which I can't agree with

half crater Oct 16, 2020, 4:00 PM

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i mean, i guess +50% is +50%

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 4:00 PM

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The ones I mentioned are just what's worked best for me at 40 Heat because they're consistent and safe. But at way lower heats, a lot of options can be viable and stronger even potentially because you don't face the same limitations (e.g. +80% shop prices).

red mist Oct 16, 2020, 4:00 PM

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At least on infernal soul

untold iris Oct 16, 2020, 4:00 PM

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so really with poseidon sword if I'm not doing high heat I just go with whatever cast I find and build off of that?

unkempt pagoda Oct 16, 2020, 4:00 PM

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yep

primal hazel Oct 16, 2020, 4:00 PM

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achilles forces you to play achilles
@unkempt pagoda words straight from my soul

untold iris Oct 16, 2020, 4:00 PM

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so far of the casts the only ones I have been hating are ares and demeter
but ive never tried them with poseidon

spare flare Oct 16, 2020, 4:01 PM

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Sure, but if Adorkable Artemis or Athena offer you a trade . . .

red mist Oct 16, 2020, 4:01 PM

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Is achilles so bad

half crater Oct 16, 2020, 4:01 PM

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they're really good with their duos

red mist Oct 16, 2020, 4:01 PM

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Poseidon sword seems funny

half crater Oct 16, 2020, 4:01 PM

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ares/demeter cast both want their respective arty duo

red mist Oct 16, 2020, 4:01 PM

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It may as well just be a wand

half crater Oct 16, 2020, 4:01 PM

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well, hunting blades is really good

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crystal clarity is fine

red mist Oct 16, 2020, 4:02 PM

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It's cool that artemis has something to offer for most builds

calm saddle Oct 16, 2020, 4:02 PM

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so far of the casts the only ones I have been hating are ares and demeter
but ive never tried them with poseidon
@untold iris how
ares is the one i take so often

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 4:02 PM

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Achilles is good.

half crater Oct 16, 2020, 4:02 PM

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^

red mist Oct 16, 2020, 4:02 PM

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It be

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 4:02 PM

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Poseidon Aspect was just the de-facto cast aspect until they buffed Achilles and Hera.

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It's also the most "pure" cast build.

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I would say.

primal hazel Oct 16, 2020, 4:03 PM

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Hunting blade is nice, hot take ikr

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Man I'm happy they buffed hera

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 4:03 PM

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Talos cast builds are rare but can be fun. The damage buff should help, but I haven't tried it yet.

half crater Oct 16, 2020, 4:03 PM

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honestly i'm just kinda biased against pos because i can't play swords probably

primal hazel Oct 16, 2020, 4:04 PM

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Frick you then squirtnya

hearty elbow Oct 16, 2020, 4:04 PM

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That's fair. It's not really a sword. I mean you do use the sword if things go real bad lol.

red mist Oct 16, 2020, 4:04 PM

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Hmm I have yet to get fully loaded and the hermes infernal soul boon for my legendary boons prophecy

half crater Oct 16, 2020, 4:04 PM

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that's probably true

red mist Oct 16, 2020, 4:04 PM

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If only cast was viable at -9 mirror

untold iris Oct 16, 2020, 4:05 PM

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ares cast feels really underwhelming when I use it
when I've had it in a cast focused build it hasnt been strong enough to kill enemies, and then it passes through them and I have to wait until the blades expire to get the casts back
and when I dont focus on cast I would rather just have something that I can stick in bosses to enable bonus damage

hearty elbow Oct 16, 2020, 4:05 PM

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Lol I keep hearing this, but it's still nonsense. Literally no build wants to do RI3.

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Yeah it guts cast builds, but losing the dash guts everyone so...

red mist Oct 16, 2020, 4:05 PM

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Well someone's gotta get to 55 heat somehow

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Definitely not me ofc

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 4:06 PM

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I can assure you that Beowulf with RI3 does perfectly fine lol.

round frost Oct 16, 2020, 4:06 PM

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is 55 heat max heat?

untold iris Oct 16, 2020, 4:06 PM

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i know this guy called tas bot who is very good at video games
maybe one day they could do a max heat run

red mist Oct 16, 2020, 4:06 PM

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It's 63 without hell mode

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But given that TD3 is there it's pretty much mathematically impossible

half crater Oct 16, 2020, 4:07 PM

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idk about mathematically impossible

hearty elbow Oct 16, 2020, 4:07 PM

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EM3/4 with RI3 even on Beo seems highly sus.

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 4:07 PM

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EM3 RI3 Beowulf is fine.

half crater Oct 16, 2020, 4:07 PM

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but with AP2, UC etc. even if it's not impossible its still certainly improbable

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 4:07 PM

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EM4 I dunno.

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DC2 Hades is a nightmare with Beowulf tbh lol.

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With RI3.

red mist Oct 16, 2020, 4:08 PM

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Beowulf does fine without dumb cast loading eh?

half crater Oct 16, 2020, 4:08 PM

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what's wrong with beo cast loading lol

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 4:08 PM

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Even without RI3 it's probably awful. I haven't played Beowulf much without RI3 lol.

red mist Oct 16, 2020, 4:09 PM

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Nah I mean at that point there's not much to abuse

half crater Oct 16, 2020, 4:09 PM

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oh right

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thought you were implying beo cast builds are bad lol

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 4:11 PM

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I'm way out of practice with Beowulf because I didn't get to play for a couple months. But I was already relying a lot more on Dragon Rush when I was working on 56. Not that I got to finish it before school started again. squirtooh

half crater Oct 16, 2020, 4:11 PM

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56?

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 4:11 PM

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I think TD3 is kind of a problem now with RI3. thanthink

half crater Oct 16, 2020, 4:11 PM

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wait was that pre 1.0

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omg that's a lot

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 4:11 PM

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Yes.

hearty elbow Oct 16, 2020, 4:11 PM

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I want to comment on the test branch about EM4 balance but I'm not sure how to phrase it. The intersection of huge melee range inconveniences, the need for extreme single target and AoE makes only a small subset of aspects actually comfortable doing it. It's a very fun fight that gets really inaccessible with only a couple of active pacts.

half crater Oct 16, 2020, 4:11 PM

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respect

red mist Oct 16, 2020, 4:12 PM

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What's with pre-1.0 heat?

half crater Oct 16, 2020, 4:12 PM

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out of curiosity, what was the 1 heat you didn't take?

hearty elbow Oct 16, 2020, 4:12 PM

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Chaos and Beo were pretty absurd

red mist Oct 16, 2020, 4:12 PM

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Oh EM4 is getting tuned?

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 4:12 PM

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56 in Hell mode lol. Everything maxed except RI3 instead of RI4.

half crater Oct 16, 2020, 4:12 PM

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ah, makes sense

red mist Oct 16, 2020, 4:12 PM

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Can't leave SD at home

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 4:13 PM

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@hearty elbow I think exactly what you just wrote would be a good start to let them know.

red mist Oct 16, 2020, 4:13 PM

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I wish they'd make the hell mode exclusive condition less exclusive

half crater Oct 16, 2020, 4:14 PM

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same tbh

red mist Oct 16, 2020, 4:14 PM

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I am not keen on starting a new file for an extra heat

half crater Oct 16, 2020, 4:14 PM

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the existence of hard mode in a game with heat is a little absurd

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anything that could make hard mode "hard" should just be a heat option in the base game

red mist Oct 16, 2020, 4:14 PM

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I can see it as a plaything for a returning player

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 4:14 PM

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No. Normies get what they deserve. Us Hellies are the superior players. That's just how it is. You couldn't handle the heat! 🔥 👸🏽

red mist Oct 16, 2020, 4:15 PM

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But once you unlock the pact there should be no difference

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 4:15 PM

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goes back to playing her Normal mode save 98% of the time

half crater Oct 16, 2020, 4:15 PM

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lol

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i started a heat mode save, but i don't play it much

hearty elbow Oct 16, 2020, 4:16 PM

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the existence of hard mode in a game with heat is a little absurd
@half crater I have been saying this since I started playing lol. Hades is literally Hard Mode: the Game. The fact that it has a hard mode can pretty much only be a concession to difficulty edge lords who need the game to tell them they're special.

half crater Oct 16, 2020, 4:17 PM

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agreed

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can confirm i use my hell mode save exclusively for edge lording 😛

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 4:17 PM

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That's me, right? You're talking about me? You're saying nice things about me, right? dusa

sly night Oct 16, 2020, 4:18 PM

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@hearty elbow Are you talking about heat being too hard?

red mist Oct 16, 2020, 4:18 PM

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This isn't supergiant's first rodeo in extremely adjustable difficulty, so why does hades's work so well compared to their other titles

hearty elbow Oct 16, 2020, 4:18 PM

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No im talking about Hell Mode existing lol

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 4:18 PM

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Edgelady, though. Smh.

sly night Oct 16, 2020, 4:18 PM

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ah

half crater Oct 16, 2020, 4:18 PM

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in all seriousness, its true tho

unkempt pagoda Oct 16, 2020, 4:18 PM

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This isn't supergiant's first rodeo in extremely adjustable difficulty, so why does hades's work so well
they made the "adjustable" part very extreme

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 4:19 PM

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I do need the game to tell me I'm special.

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SGG understands me.

unkempt pagoda Oct 16, 2020, 4:19 PM

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pyre's difficulty modifiers was a one-and-done "x happens and it's harder"

half crater Oct 16, 2020, 4:19 PM

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it feels like they just chucked a hard mode on, because that's what hard games have, without considering whether the game would actually need/want it

hearty elbow Oct 16, 2020, 4:19 PM

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They actually cared to solve the problem every other game uses damage and health sliders to gloss over. They matured the system they explored in Bastion

unkempt pagoda Oct 16, 2020, 4:19 PM

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the use of individual ranks in a modifier is what makes the pact work so well

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 4:19 PM

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I like how they talk about the "Queen of Hades" all the time. Nice of them to reference me in the story. 👸🏽

red mist Oct 16, 2020, 4:20 PM

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Lots of horn blowing going on here

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Thought ya hated demeter

plain mantle Oct 16, 2020, 4:22 PM

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Demeter legendary super fun on bosses tho

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 4:23 PM

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@red mist #h1-high-heat-strategies message

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Who hates Lady Demeter?

half crater Oct 16, 2020, 4:23 PM

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you had so few boons lmao

hearty elbow Oct 16, 2020, 4:23 PM

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I would have loved Bastion's difficulty system if it felt at all connected to what was happening in the game. But I felt pretty much done once the game ended. I had no reason to keep pushing idols. Hades is a lot more granular, gives story and resource rewards. I don't get any rewards now from playing this long, but I was forced to spend time exploring the system to figure out I liked it for what it was by itself.

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 4:24 PM

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Who needs boons when you have skill ~~an OP hammer upgrade~~.

half crater Oct 16, 2020, 4:24 PM

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i mean, lets be real

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we all know what got you that win

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the bouldy boon

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 4:25 PM

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No, it was Lady Aphrodite. 💗

red mist Oct 16, 2020, 4:25 PM

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I like the insistence on calling them as ladies

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No sarcasm

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You keep it up

half crater Oct 16, 2020, 4:26 PM

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i mean, yeah ofc

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but also bouldy

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the two greatest forces of the universe, working in concert

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love, and bouldy

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 4:27 PM

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That's blasphemy. Lady Aphrodite is unparalleled.

half crater Oct 16, 2020, 4:27 PM

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i could say the same thing

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they who diminish bouldy shall know their heresy in the form of +2% ambiguity bonuses

unkempt zephyr Oct 16, 2020, 4:28 PM

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Nyx ) She also have more experience you know 😉😜

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 4:29 PM

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Yeah, you could say that. But I could beat you up 1v1 in Hades. See me in the courtyard, blackguard! My trusty Naegling's Board shall make quick work of you! 🛡️ dusa

primal hazel Oct 16, 2020, 4:29 PM

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Nothing beats bouldy

half crater Oct 16, 2020, 4:29 PM

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um

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i have no answer to this

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touché

primal hazel Oct 16, 2020, 4:29 PM

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bouldy

half crater Oct 16, 2020, 4:30 PM

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this round goes to aphrodite, but someday you will lose a run because you lacked a +1% speed bonus, and then bouldy will have their revenge

hearty elbow Oct 16, 2020, 4:31 PM

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The only thing ambiguous about the Ambiguity bonus is how hard it's carrying you.

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 4:31 PM

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But you know what I won't lack?

limber flax Oct 16, 2020, 4:31 PM

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hey

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https://imgur.com/3w8HDEt

Imgur

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opinions pls

half crater Oct 16, 2020, 4:31 PM

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one could say that when it comes to matters of revenge, bouldy is as patient as a stone

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 4:31 PM

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30% Damage Reduction. dusa

limber flax Oct 16, 2020, 4:31 PM

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what do you guys suggest

calm saddle Oct 16, 2020, 4:31 PM

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massive spin

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def not flurry

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 4:32 PM

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Flurry Jab.

limber flax Oct 16, 2020, 4:32 PM

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noted

half crater Oct 16, 2020, 4:32 PM

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i like flurry

limber flax Oct 16, 2020, 4:32 PM

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oh

half crater Oct 16, 2020, 4:32 PM

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but i'm a rubbish spear player

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ignore me

calm saddle Oct 16, 2020, 4:32 PM

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wait

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which aspect r u using

half crater Oct 16, 2020, 4:32 PM

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oh wait Nyaanyaa agreed with me

hearty elbow Oct 16, 2020, 4:32 PM

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Flurry Jab 100% there

half crater Oct 16, 2020, 4:32 PM

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actually, i knew what i was talking about all along

limber flax Oct 16, 2020, 4:32 PM

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achilles but only i think 1 or 2 levels in

unkempt zephyr Oct 16, 2020, 4:32 PM

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Nyx Rules!) mirror from Nyx! try beat game with out SD or DD!

limber flax Oct 16, 2020, 4:33 PM

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okay flurry jab it is

calm saddle Oct 16, 2020, 4:33 PM

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oh nvm

limber flax Oct 16, 2020, 4:33 PM

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it seems

proven osprey Oct 16, 2020, 4:33 PM

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actually, i knew what i was talking about all along
@half crater

limber flax Oct 16, 2020, 4:33 PM

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thx

calm saddle Oct 16, 2020, 4:33 PM

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i thought u were using hades aspect

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mb

red mist Oct 16, 2020, 4:33 PM

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Achilles probably doesn't like hammers that much

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 4:34 PM

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@unkempt zephyr I already did mirrorless 33 Heat. zaglol

limber flax Oct 16, 2020, 4:34 PM

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hmmm

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https://imgur.com/ehPthg2

Imgur

red mist Oct 16, 2020, 4:34 PM

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How fast is flurry jab

proven osprey Oct 16, 2020, 4:34 PM

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peePOGGERS

limber flax Oct 16, 2020, 4:34 PM

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seems like a hard choice

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i took flurry btw

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all are really good i think

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between 1 and 3?

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 4:35 PM

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I like Slothful Favor. Can you clear without getting hit with -40% movement speed?

unkempt zephyr Oct 16, 2020, 4:35 PM

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@unkempt zephyr I already did mirrorless 33 Heat.
@cunning urchin Nyx any way be > than aphro for me 🛡️😜 charming calm mysterious and very experienced woman

limber flax Oct 16, 2020, 4:35 PM

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thats no thing movement speed

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since you just dash most of the time

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 4:36 PM

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Yeah, I can do it. I'm asking if you're confident you can still proc Butterfly reliably with that lol.

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Might be good for practice either way.

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Favor is nice and it's epic. Better chance at legendaries and Duo Boons for the rest of the run.

calm saddle Oct 16, 2020, 4:38 PM

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which aspect do u guys think i can get the most single hit dmg

hazy slate Oct 16, 2020, 4:38 PM

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arthur i think

calm saddle Oct 16, 2020, 4:38 PM

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i tried with arthur

hazy slate Oct 16, 2020, 4:38 PM

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maybe rama

calm saddle Oct 16, 2020, 4:38 PM

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i got around 1.2 on the last strike

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with arty boons

hazy slate Oct 16, 2020, 4:39 PM

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maybe aphro attack, pressure points, shadow slash

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add in a few chaos boons

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maybe aphro arte duo could help

unkempt zephyr Oct 16, 2020, 4:39 PM

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i got around 1.2 on the last strike
@calm saddle Artur Athena and this not a crit https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/758485427723698186/763557535407013888/unknown.png

calm saddle Oct 16, 2020, 4:39 PM

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WHAT

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goddamn

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 4:40 PM

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Excalibur has the highest base damage on the third hit at 200. Rama Power Shot is 175, Twin Shot doubles that, but it's technically two hits at that point. Hestia base damage is 150.

half crater Oct 16, 2020, 4:40 PM

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explosive power shot rama

calm saddle Oct 16, 2020, 4:40 PM

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even though i cant clear very high heats with Excalibur its one of my favourite weapons

half crater Oct 16, 2020, 4:40 PM

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you can do it if you believe in yourself

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525 damage

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 4:41 PM

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Rama also gets +60% as soon as you apply Shared Suffering.

half crater Oct 16, 2020, 4:41 PM

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i wonder if its ever happened in the real world

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wait, explosive sniper shot rama

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 4:42 PM

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Shoutouts to Beowulf Charged Flight 225 base damage before 1.0. zaglol

half crater Oct 16, 2020, 4:42 PM

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clearly the most powerful hammer combo

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lmao

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those were the days

limber flax Oct 16, 2020, 4:42 PM

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are the hidden aspect the most powerful ones? usually

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of the weapon

proven osprey Oct 16, 2020, 4:42 PM

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would not say so

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 4:42 PM

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No.

limber flax Oct 16, 2020, 4:42 PM

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for what weapons would you say thats the case?

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 4:44 PM

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Excalibur and Beowulf probably are. Rama and Chiron are both S tier, kind of a close call. Eris is #1 overall, so it's, of course, #1 for Rail; and Demeter Aspect is #1 for Malphon.

half crater Oct 16, 2020, 4:44 PM

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GY is competitive for spear, right?

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 4:45 PM

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Competing with whom? lol

half crater Oct 16, 2020, 4:45 PM

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best spear

proven osprey Oct 16, 2020, 4:45 PM

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Beowulf 🤢

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 4:46 PM

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Maybe. -50% HP makes things a whole lot harder, but that's less relevant as player skill goes up, of course.

half crater Oct 16, 2020, 4:46 PM

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yeah

red mist Oct 16, 2020, 4:46 PM

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I took excalibur to my 0 heat bounty

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 4:46 PM

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What's your issue with Beowulf? lol

proven osprey Oct 16, 2020, 4:46 PM

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I don't like it

limber flax Oct 16, 2020, 4:46 PM

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holy

half crater Oct 16, 2020, 4:46 PM

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i mean, I'm certainly terrible at GY, but that's not the weapon's fault lol

red mist Oct 16, 2020, 4:46 PM

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Didn't think it would kick ass but then it just mowed through everything

limber flax Oct 16, 2020, 4:46 PM

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flurry jab

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is insane

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 4:46 PM

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Yup.

proven osprey Oct 16, 2020, 4:47 PM

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Just boring to me, I prefer Hera way more to play with cast. Also I did not try a special build with it

limber flax Oct 16, 2020, 4:47 PM

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how much of an increase in dps is that?

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seems like so much

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flurry jab

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for attack

half crater Oct 16, 2020, 4:48 PM

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lots

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its also a big increase in stun

limber flax Oct 16, 2020, 4:48 PM

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is demeter cast good for archilles?

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ah yea that too

half crater Oct 16, 2020, 4:48 PM

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any cast is good for achilles

limber flax Oct 16, 2020, 4:48 PM

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okay

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but its like demeter cast dmg lasts a while

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thats what i mean

half crater Oct 16, 2020, 4:49 PM

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demeter prolly wouldn't be my first choice, personally, but it can certainly work

limber flax Oct 16, 2020, 4:49 PM

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the laser is active for a while

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okay

safe jacinth Oct 16, 2020, 4:52 PM

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I have hunting blades right now

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What happens if i get artemis true shot?

half crater Oct 16, 2020, 4:53 PM

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you were offered a swap?

safe jacinth Oct 16, 2020, 4:53 PM

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Yeah

half crater Oct 16, 2020, 4:53 PM

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it’ll remove bladed shot, and the duo will become useless

safe jacinth Oct 16, 2020, 4:53 PM

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ok ill just do marked then

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bc hunting blades is amazing

half crater Oct 16, 2020, 4:54 PM

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big agree

tepid robin Oct 16, 2020, 4:56 PM

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Hunting blades is definitely one of my fav duos

half crater Oct 16, 2020, 4:57 PM

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my fav duo is scintillating feast because zappy lights go many flash

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but hunting blades is up there

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also: i officially only need to type “sci” for my phone to suggest scintillating

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this feels like an accomplishment, for some reason

turbid needle Oct 16, 2020, 5:09 PM

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I only got that duo once in my entire playtime zeus hates me

half crater Oct 16, 2020, 5:10 PM

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that’s me with merciful end tbh

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i mean, i’ve got it more than once

turbid needle Oct 16, 2020, 5:11 PM

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I kept trying to get it for hera but never lucky

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I get ice wine like all the time tho

half crater Oct 16, 2020, 5:12 PM

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rng be rng

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other day i had full on 10 chances at heart rend and didn’t see it

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10 chances in one run

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i’m still kinda angry lmao

turbid needle Oct 16, 2020, 5:12 PM

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shadegrief

limber flax Oct 16, 2020, 5:19 PM

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okay

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flurry jab+ extended jab+ swift strike+ athena strike

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is kinda busted

ripe osprey Oct 16, 2020, 5:24 PM

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What is the general shield combo?

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I been spamming dash attack

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and it feels wrong lol

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didn't use much bull charge

worn citrus Oct 16, 2020, 5:24 PM

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How to build Eris rail? Zeus attack and maybe Aphro special?

willow fossil Oct 16, 2020, 5:25 PM

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What is the general shield combo?
@ripe osprey for zag shield, thats the general combo lol

hearty elbow Oct 16, 2020, 5:25 PM

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I like Artemis special or cast to get Support Fire

ripe osprey Oct 16, 2020, 5:25 PM

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I went Zeus shield and did that

hearty elbow Oct 16, 2020, 5:25 PM

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Other than that, you can build toward Cold Fusion

willow fossil Oct 16, 2020, 5:25 PM

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Went zeus shield just includes you pressing q once

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But is the same combo

ripe osprey Oct 16, 2020, 5:25 PM

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Ohh okay

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I think I screw up my boon choice

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I picked Dionysus special first then swapped to Demeter

willow fossil Oct 16, 2020, 5:26 PM

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Chaos and beowulf are the ones that change

ripe osprey Oct 16, 2020, 5:26 PM

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Oh

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I don't have those so

willow fossil Oct 16, 2020, 5:26 PM

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Dio and demeter special are both good with zeus

ripe osprey Oct 16, 2020, 5:27 PM

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ahh okay

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just thought i picked them wrongly

willow fossil Oct 16, 2020, 5:27 PM

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Yeah chaos and beowulf are more into bullrush, not spamming dash strike

ripe osprey Oct 16, 2020, 5:27 PM

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im actually thinking of buying hades sppear

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but not sure if its worth it

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it looks fun of course

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but how often do you even use its special?

willow fossil Oct 16, 2020, 5:27 PM

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They are all worth it

ripe osprey Oct 16, 2020, 5:27 PM

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the spinning thingy

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it feels slow to charge it all the way

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and can i ask what's the damage combo for that as well?

willow fossil Oct 16, 2020, 5:27 PM

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Well 1 you dont need to charge it all the way, the buff is the same

ripe osprey Oct 16, 2020, 5:28 PM

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is it still dash attack lol

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it seems like moving a lot and attacking is vry important in this game

willow fossil Oct 16, 2020, 5:28 PM

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And you should do the spinning thing just to mark enemies tbh

ripe osprey Oct 16, 2020, 5:28 PM

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ohh

willow fossil Oct 16, 2020, 5:28 PM

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Yes, game is very hack and slash

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Dashy plays

ripe osprey Oct 16, 2020, 5:28 PM

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yeah

willow fossil Oct 16, 2020, 5:28 PM

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Since you can't move while attacking

ripe osprey Oct 16, 2020, 5:28 PM

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im enjoying this game though but i can't spam it sadly

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i played 3 games today

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and my hands are sore

willow fossil Oct 16, 2020, 5:28 PM

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Lolol

ripe osprey Oct 16, 2020, 5:29 PM

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i also played another game as well

willow fossil Oct 16, 2020, 5:29 PM

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Are you doing controller or keyboard

ripe osprey Oct 16, 2020, 5:29 PM

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some rhythm games

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controller

willow fossil Oct 16, 2020, 5:29 PM

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Try keyboard

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Might suit you better

ripe osprey Oct 16, 2020, 5:29 PM

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i don't think i will like kb, but i will just try to slowly play more and more

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i wanna start winning more

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i only won once in my whole life

willow fossil Oct 16, 2020, 5:29 PM

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Doesn't hurt to try at least once

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Take the game slowly, you dont need to win everytime

ripe osprey Oct 16, 2020, 5:30 PM

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well i have tourettes and if i hold my mouse with my right hand, i tend to move my mouse up a lot and it would affect the gameplay a lot more than on controller

willow fossil Oct 16, 2020, 5:30 PM

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Id hate the game if I won Everytime

ripe osprey Oct 16, 2020, 5:30 PM

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my hands n head tend to move a lot

willow fossil Oct 16, 2020, 5:30 PM

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Ah

ripe osprey Oct 16, 2020, 5:30 PM

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so playing this game with a handicapp

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yeah

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but im still happy i won without god mode

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some people suggested god mode dude to my illness

willow fossil Oct 16, 2020, 5:30 PM

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Thats great news

ripe osprey Oct 16, 2020, 5:30 PM

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but i wanted to try a bit more

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yeah but i kinda got lucky though

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i watched a swords guide

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and went poseidon

willow fossil Oct 16, 2020, 5:30 PM

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Don't be ashamed of trying God mode. Its there for a reason

ripe osprey Oct 16, 2020, 5:30 PM

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with the recommended boons

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yeah

willow fossil Oct 16, 2020, 5:31 PM

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Remember you dont need to compete with anyone

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Just yourself

ripe osprey Oct 16, 2020, 5:31 PM

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yeap

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anyways about hades spear mark

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is it like after you spin attack

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you get bonus dmg for 10 seconds towards them?

willow fossil Oct 16, 2020, 5:32 PM

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Yes

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They get a mark over their head so you know the buff is on

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Once it wears off, You do it again

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Ez bonus dmg

ripe osprey Oct 16, 2020, 5:33 PM

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oh okay

willow fossil Oct 16, 2020, 5:33 PM

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Charging it to max only increases the area and dmg

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So if you're trying to mark the minimum charge will go

ripe osprey Oct 16, 2020, 5:33 PM

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i see a youtuber charging it to max when monsters are spawning

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seems legit

willow fossil Oct 16, 2020, 5:33 PM

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Well if you have the time to charge, why not

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Ez dmg

ripe osprey Oct 16, 2020, 5:33 PM

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yeah

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and also regarding builds right

willow fossil Oct 16, 2020, 5:34 PM

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But you cant really charge when a bull is rushing at you

ripe osprey Oct 16, 2020, 5:34 PM

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is there usually one set of boons for specific weapons only?

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or usually different variant works

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lets say boon abc are very strong for sword

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do you just try to go boon abc

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all the time for that sword

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or do you go other boons at times

willow fossil Oct 16, 2020, 5:35 PM

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Usually different works, but some are better than others generally

ripe osprey Oct 16, 2020, 5:35 PM

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i see

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because it feels like athena dash is really important to have

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most of my runs that made it to final boss and last area

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were me having athena dash

last magnet Oct 16, 2020, 5:36 PM

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Athena dash and Athena attack have saved me so many times lol

willow fossil Oct 16, 2020, 5:37 PM

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Athena dash is great with any build

ripe osprey Oct 16, 2020, 5:37 PM

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yeah at this point im probably gonna first artifact athene lol

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every run

willow fossil Oct 16, 2020, 5:38 PM

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But remember the dash isn't guaranteed to show up

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High chances, but not 100%

ripe osprey Oct 16, 2020, 5:38 PM

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yeah

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what boons work well with hades spear?

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feels like im asking too many questions haha, so many weapons and builds to play

willow fossil Oct 16, 2020, 5:40 PM

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Lol this is the builds channel

solid hazel Oct 16, 2020, 5:40 PM

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No worries people love to help here

ripe osprey Oct 16, 2020, 5:41 PM

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haha

solid hazel Oct 16, 2020, 5:41 PM

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I haven't used hades that much but I guess attack and special oriented stuff...

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So like triple A, Athena aphro Artemis are probably all good on it

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I don't see Zeus or Dio being that good unless you get flurry jab

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The one quirk to remember about Hades is that the spin's debuff doesn't make the spin attack any stronger

hearty elbow Oct 16, 2020, 5:44 PM

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You want crit on your attack/special to pair with Exploding Launcher or Serrated Point

solid hazel Oct 16, 2020, 5:44 PM

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So usually you don't actually build for spin damage

hearty elbow Oct 16, 2020, 5:44 PM

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The bonus damage from Hades works exceptionally well with crit

limber flax Oct 16, 2020, 5:44 PM

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does olympic favor go up to 100%

solid hazel Oct 16, 2020, 5:45 PM

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No 40%?

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Is it the rare or epic one

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The rare does 40, epic 20

hearty elbow Oct 16, 2020, 5:45 PM

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It's the rare one. Dark Foresight is kind of a lot better atm

limber flax Oct 16, 2020, 5:46 PM

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i should upgrade dark foresightr?

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rather than olympic favor?

untold iris Oct 16, 2020, 5:46 PM

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i use olympic favor because I still need resources

solid hazel Oct 16, 2020, 5:46 PM

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I read that the game tries to balance the number of blue vs gold laurels you get in a run, so you know how dark foresight affects that @hearty elbow

untold iris Oct 16, 2020, 5:47 PM

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but in terms of completing a run dark foresight is probably better

solid hazel Oct 16, 2020, 5:47 PM

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Like if you have it maxed at 20% what is the ratio of blue vs gold you expect in a run vs without dark foresight

worn citrus Oct 16, 2020, 5:47 PM

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Well.

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I have zeus attack and now I got sea storm

hearty elbow Oct 16, 2020, 5:48 PM

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Not sure how it specifically works without looking at source. I could see the ratio shifting by both 20 or 40% depending on interpretation

worn citrus Oct 16, 2020, 5:48 PM

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So I guess I wanna kind of try to switch out my zeus attack for a poseidon one?

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(Using rail)

hearty elbow Oct 16, 2020, 5:49 PM

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Assume it's 50/50, it could either be 40/60 or 30/70 depending on how look at it, from an english standpoint. Either of these outcomes are insane though. It kind of feels like the latter tbh

solid hazel Oct 16, 2020, 5:49 PM

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Ywah 30/70 would be insane

hearty elbow Oct 16, 2020, 5:50 PM

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Disclaimer, I have no idea if it's 50/50.

solid hazel Oct 16, 2020, 5:50 PM

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Me either haha... I don't even know if the game actually "tries" to balance it or if it just assigns a probability

hearty elbow Oct 16, 2020, 5:51 PM

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From playing with it all of 1.0, I can say it's an extremely noticable difference.

solid hazel Oct 16, 2020, 5:51 PM

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I only read it from some beginner guide that I thought had some seriously flawed conclusions anyway haha

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Like telling beginners to use stubborn defiance...

hearty elbow Oct 16, 2020, 5:51 PM

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Underworld Customs is effectively free, you get probably 2 or 3 more hearts minimum per run. The biggest cost is that Keys are harder to get

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You should probably bank on getting 0-1 per run.

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People oversell Stubborn Defiance's difficulty. If, early on, you aren't even making it to boss rooms, Stubborn may work out reasonably well for you. Stubborn Defiance with no Lasting Consequences is a surprisingly effective way to play the game early on.

solid hazel Oct 16, 2020, 5:53 PM

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My problem with tah advice for beginners is you have to define the goal, which you did fine

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If your goal is to make it further than stubborn defiance is good

unkempt zephyr Oct 16, 2020, 5:54 PM

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and its Fun but.... SD can have 2 lives. not 1.

solid hazel Oct 16, 2020, 5:54 PM

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But if your goal is to win a run at low heat, it's unlikely stubborn defiance will get you there

hearty elbow Oct 16, 2020, 5:54 PM

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Yeah, I imagine Hades is the stopgap for most new players, so it helps to bring 4 lifebars into the fight

solid hazel Oct 16, 2020, 5:55 PM

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Low heat and low skill level I mean

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And the guide never made that distinction

hearty elbow Oct 16, 2020, 5:56 PM

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But to the people who are dying and crying in Elysium from Flamewheel rooms or whatever, Stubborn Defiance is pretty effective at mitigating the damage from those rooms. It feels a lot less bad to get hit if you know you're going back to up a threshold every room.

solid hazel Oct 16, 2020, 5:56 PM

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I imagine that by the time you can afford stubborn defiance, at least half the people are getting to Hades anyway

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You have to unlock alternate talents and have 600 darkness lying around...

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Vs just 50 for your first dd

hearty elbow Oct 16, 2020, 5:57 PM

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Oh yeah, for sure. I think DD is the better option for new players (and most players) 90% of the time. I still think people are selling SD short though. It's not "Just for high heat, when you absolute have to." It makes the game objectively easier in a lot of respects

solid hazel Oct 16, 2020, 5:59 PM

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Since I never use it, I can believe there are situations where I underestimate it's utility

hearty elbow Oct 16, 2020, 5:59 PM

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From my perspective, once a player can demonstrate that they can kill Dad with losing 1 or no DDs, then SD is probably better off for them until they get to higher heats. Reason for that is that since they don't need to stock up DDs anymore, SD lets them screw up for the the rest of the run and they don't have to worry about it, or lose gold forit.

willow fossil Oct 16, 2020, 5:59 PM

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Usually SD is better in higher heats

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For healing purposes

solid hazel Oct 16, 2020, 6:00 PM

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I imagine there's a turning point where rooms become harder than hades

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I'm always playing em4 though... So it doesn't feel that way at all haha

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Cuz not only is it making hades harder it also means I have less pacts that affect the common room

hearty elbow Oct 16, 2020, 6:04 PM

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It's not that rooms ever get harder than Hades, it's that they become more costly, and with DD, mistakes cost gold

worn citrus Oct 16, 2020, 6:18 PM

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Which hammers are the best for lucifer?

rare kayak Oct 16, 2020, 6:21 PM

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big fan of triple special

worn citrus Oct 16, 2020, 6:21 PM

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Yeah, same! I'm just wondering if there's something else that's the "meta"

stark ore Oct 16, 2020, 6:21 PM

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Personally I use Eternal Chamber, with Thunder Strike and Support Fire it’s really solid

worn citrus Oct 16, 2020, 6:21 PM

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I also like infinite fire, although you get rid of the ramp up so idk

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Yeah, I'm looking for support fire now

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Have lightning strike already

solid hazel Oct 16, 2020, 6:24 PM

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It's not that rooms ever get harder than Hades, it's that they become more costly, and with DD, mistakes cost gold
@hearty elbow that's a very elegant way to put it.

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Very vaguely I meant the same thing, but I hadnt really defined what "harder" meant

daring nymph Oct 16, 2020, 6:32 PM

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If I unequip the pierced butterfly do I keep the damage buff?

fierce thicket Oct 16, 2020, 6:34 PM

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no

willow fossil Oct 16, 2020, 6:40 PM

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Same for lambent plume

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They are a committed keepsake

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You use them the whole run

daring nymph Oct 16, 2020, 6:50 PM

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Thank you <3

arctic elbow Oct 16, 2020, 6:52 PM

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stacking lampent with the hermes dodge boon is so nice.

solid hazel Oct 16, 2020, 6:52 PM

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Niche case use for lambent plume though... It's a prereq for hermes legendary

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So it's a viable strategy to equip it during asphodel or Elysium to try to get hermes legendary

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Pretty much only for cast builds, but both legendary are pretty strong

worn citrus Oct 16, 2020, 6:56 PM

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Is it possible to do enough damage (or something) to punch right through armor and do damage to health in the same attack?

torpid wren Oct 16, 2020, 6:57 PM

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I want to say no.. since i noticed numbskulls don't immediately explode on single hit things

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but idk

pallid drum Oct 16, 2020, 6:59 PM

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I feel like dionysus is the weakest god, am i missing something? Im running at 15 heat atm and i have yet to find a run where i find any of his skills actually worth grabbing

calm oyster Oct 16, 2020, 7:09 PM

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oh my goodness
within 3 minutes on my first ever run with guan yu (maxed lvl) i have already gotten: aphro special, zeus aid, athena dash, and CHARGED SKEWER
they made this game too easy

primal hazel Oct 16, 2020, 7:11 PM

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Well since we already know you won

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See you on your next run

calm oyster Oct 16, 2020, 7:11 PM

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lmao

primal hazel Oct 16, 2020, 7:11 PM

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I feel like dionysus is the weakest god, am i missing something? Im running at 15 heat atm and i have yet to find a run where i find any of his skills actually worth grabbing
@pallid drum pretty decent with aphrodite and ares duo

burnt plume Oct 16, 2020, 7:12 PM

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I like Dionysus - hangover on attack with the rail is a great way to stack 5 hangovers quick

primal hazel Oct 16, 2020, 7:12 PM

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Obvs you want a reliable way to apply dio

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You can play him on eris to increase the damage if the ticks

burnt plume Oct 16, 2020, 7:12 PM

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Also great if you have the buff to add 40% damage with 2 curses

primal hazel Oct 16, 2020, 7:12 PM

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That's p good

pallid drum Oct 16, 2020, 7:13 PM

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how are the other secret aspects besides guan yu and arthur? I wanna test out the others but not sure if they are worth it. Id rather be slower with big hits like arthur then fast and weaker

primal hazel Oct 16, 2020, 7:13 PM

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Beowulf is a fun cast weapon

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Rama is an insane power house imo

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Lucifer is eh but fun

calm oyster Oct 16, 2020, 7:14 PM

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oh my god this is so strong i just killed alecto in like 6 hits :O

pallid drum Oct 16, 2020, 7:14 PM

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i feel like lucifer is meh unless you get the infinite battery upgrade

primal hazel Oct 16, 2020, 7:14 PM

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And Gilgamesh is pretty split among most
I like the extra mobility

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I never get that :/

calm oyster Oct 16, 2020, 7:15 PM

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i looove gilgamesh

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dash strike spam is so brainless

primal hazel Oct 16, 2020, 7:15 PM

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But basically als Secret aspects are more or less powerful but slow

calm oyster Oct 16, 2020, 7:15 PM

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just hold down a and x

primal hazel Oct 16, 2020, 7:15 PM

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In the vain(is that the right spelling?) of arthur

torpid wren Oct 16, 2020, 7:23 PM

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idk about weakest god.. but lately I been feeling Ares is down there

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is hangover typically better than doom?

pallid drum Oct 16, 2020, 7:25 PM

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ive had some nice doom runs but yeah areas also feels pretty weak imo

dry ember Oct 16, 2020, 7:26 PM

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depends on who you ask here, some can argue that Dio attack and dash is quite weak, if not the weakest

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the rest of his kit is ok though

pallid drum Oct 16, 2020, 7:27 PM

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i actually did really like the lob cast from him in one run it was totally killer

calm oyster Oct 16, 2020, 7:30 PM

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lmfao its going to rock when i throw this insanely op guan yu run because i only have 59 hp in elysium

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zaglol

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ok we at 105

willow fossil Oct 16, 2020, 7:36 PM

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I have a question

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What is sub 20

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I see people saying it a lot

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 7:39 PM

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Depends on context.

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I would mean "20 Heat or less" pretty much, so sub 21 would be more accurate.

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Basically, the range where you still get bounties.

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Where most people would play. Kind of what I consider the base game before you get into high heat.

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But it can also mean "under 20 minutes".

willow fossil Oct 16, 2020, 7:42 PM

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I think that was it ok

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 7:42 PM

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I think the majority of people get to the epilogue and then just keep playing a bit, but the active players that are on this server would more lean towards finishing up all bounties (for at least their favorite aspect) and then maybe doing 32 Heat for the last Skelly prize.

willow fossil Oct 16, 2020, 7:43 PM

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I'm none of those zaglol

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I'm doing heat 20 for fun at this point

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bouldy

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Not too ez, not too hard

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Just the perfect amount

dry ember Oct 16, 2020, 7:44 PM

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best thing about roguelite is that you can do one per day run

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which I like

willow fossil Oct 16, 2020, 7:44 PM

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I do around 30 per day dusa

dry ember Oct 16, 2020, 7:44 PM

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one FTL, Nuclear Throne, Hades run a day keeps depression away

willow fossil Oct 16, 2020, 7:44 PM

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I love me some ftl

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But is soooo hard

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 7:44 PM

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Well, so you went up 20 and then choose not to do 32 Heat. Like I said, that would put you into the "more active players on this server" category of players. squirtnya

willow fossil Oct 16, 2020, 7:45 PM

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Yeha thats why I said I'm not one of those

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 7:45 PM

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Oh, one of those who do 32 lol.

willow fossil Oct 16, 2020, 7:45 PM

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Cuase i don't want the heat 32

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 7:45 PM

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Gotcha.

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You might be tempted to do it one day "just for the hell of it", who knows. dusa

willow fossil Oct 16, 2020, 7:46 PM

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Maybe

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Who knows

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bouldy

primal hazel Oct 16, 2020, 7:46 PM

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Hah

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For the hell of it

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I don't get it

willow fossil Oct 16, 2020, 7:46 PM

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Go away vo1di let me be miserable

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 7:47 PM

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@primal hazel of course, you wouldn't get it. squirtnya

primal hazel Oct 16, 2020, 7:47 PM

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Look man
I'm here to support you
bouldy

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Not like anyone expected anything else

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 7:49 PM

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Bruce Lee said something like don't expect, simply see things for what they are.

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Not in those exact words.

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So, as Bruce Lee taught, I expect nothing coming from you. dusa

willow fossil Oct 16, 2020, 7:50 PM

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dusa

worn citrus Oct 16, 2020, 7:50 PM

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Don't think... feel.

willow fossil Oct 16, 2020, 7:50 PM

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Dont feel, just do

primal hazel Oct 16, 2020, 7:51 PM

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Don't do

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Just bouldy

worn citrus Oct 16, 2020, 7:51 PM

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Don't.

willow fossil Oct 16, 2020, 7:51 PM

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Right Bouldy?

dry ember Oct 16, 2020, 7:51 PM

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do

willow fossil Oct 16, 2020, 7:51 PM

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bouldy ...

worn citrus Oct 16, 2020, 7:51 PM

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d

willow fossil Oct 16, 2020, 7:51 PM

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b

primal hazel Oct 16, 2020, 7:51 PM

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Honestly cracked me up

willow fossil Oct 16, 2020, 7:51 PM

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bo

dry ember Oct 16, 2020, 7:51 PM

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d(^.^)b

willow fossil Oct 16, 2020, 7:51 PM

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Lmfao

worn citrus Oct 16, 2020, 7:52 PM

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Eyyy

dry ember Oct 16, 2020, 7:53 PM

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😦

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I play ded games and I like it

primal hazel Oct 16, 2020, 7:54 PM

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How is it playing with and against bots?

worn citrus Oct 16, 2020, 7:54 PM

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Less toxic than with human players I bet

primal hazel Oct 16, 2020, 7:54 PM

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As long as you have fun :D

silk anvil Oct 16, 2020, 7:54 PM

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is there any reason why Hypnos refuses to advance dialogue with me? I wonder if my dialoge with him is just bugged since he's already said everything under the sun to me before the update or what... or maybe I've just not died to silly enough things for him to rub it in my face

worn citrus Oct 16, 2020, 7:54 PM

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Probably better teamwork, too

primal hazel Oct 16, 2020, 7:56 PM

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Hey @willow fossil

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Guess what

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It's random

dry ember Oct 16, 2020, 7:56 PM

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dang we have an honest trailer for Hades

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that's fast

primal hazel Oct 16, 2020, 7:56 PM

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Link pls squirtnya

dry ember Oct 16, 2020, 7:57 PM

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Just youtube honest game trailer hades

primal hazel Oct 16, 2020, 7:57 PM

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Or I could actually do it myself
Fair xD

dry ember Oct 16, 2020, 7:58 PM

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❤️ before I passive aggressively paste the letmegooglethatforyou link

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 7:58 PM

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By the way.

primal hazel Oct 16, 2020, 7:58 PM

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Common practice in my uni WhatsApp group

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 7:58 PM

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@dry ember

dry ember Oct 16, 2020, 7:58 PM

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@cunning urchin

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 7:59 PM

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Did you see? Your aspect tier list isn't the worst aspect tier list anymore. squirtnya

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https://brightrockmedia.com/2020/10/09/best-hades-aspects/

Best Hades Aspects TIER LIST - ALL Aspects - Bright Rock Media

Trying to figure out which Hades aspects to invest in? This Best Hades Aspects Tier List will give you the pros and cons of all the aspects available in Hades.

dry ember Oct 16, 2020, 7:59 PM

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no, what happened?

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 7:59 PM

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There's a new worst aspect tier list in town.

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zaglol

opal lodge Oct 16, 2020, 7:59 PM

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guan yu S tier

primal hazel Oct 16, 2020, 7:59 PM

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THEY PUT ERIS IN C

opal lodge Oct 16, 2020, 7:59 PM

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wot mate

worn citrus Oct 16, 2020, 7:59 PM

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I mean, tier lists by individuals are just opinion pieces anyway

primal hazel Oct 16, 2020, 8:00 PM

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That's not wrong

opal lodge Oct 16, 2020, 8:00 PM

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zag aspect spear in B tier

dry ember Oct 16, 2020, 8:00 PM

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tier lists are made to stir controversies

willow fossil Oct 16, 2020, 8:00 PM

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Random dusa

worn citrus Oct 16, 2020, 8:00 PM

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Gotta aggregate from a community or something to get a more objective view point

dry ember Oct 16, 2020, 8:00 PM

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that's it

primal hazel Oct 16, 2020, 8:00 PM

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I don't know about y'all
But I just put the weapons in a randomizer and call it a tier list

dry ember Oct 16, 2020, 8:00 PM

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the only way to do it

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 8:01 PM

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I hope this person isn't lurking in chat and sad everytime I make fun of the tier lists they clearly put a lot of effort into making and writing about.

opal lodge Oct 16, 2020, 8:01 PM

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would still end up with a better one tbh

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 8:01 PM

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But I'm sorry. It's just hilariously bad.

dry ember Oct 16, 2020, 8:01 PM

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I appreciate every tier lists

worn citrus Oct 16, 2020, 8:01 PM

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Well, I don't think there's anything wrong with it.

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It's just their opinion so whatever

opal lodge Oct 16, 2020, 8:02 PM

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i mean ultimately its just whatever aspects you jive with ig

primal hazel Oct 16, 2020, 8:02 PM

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Gotta face criticism ig

opal lodge Oct 16, 2020, 8:02 PM

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like i cant do rail no matter how hard i try even though i know it's good

worn citrus Oct 16, 2020, 8:02 PM

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Like if someone asked me to rate Eris before I had tried it more than once I'd probably be like... meh

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Because the first run I did didn't go that well

shadow ridge Oct 16, 2020, 8:02 PM

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That's a funny tier list for funni bois

dry ember Oct 16, 2020, 8:02 PM

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if someone tells me Eris is S tier I wouldn't believe it

primal hazel Oct 16, 2020, 8:02 PM

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Well tier lists are supposed to be ratings of power
And if you're gonna put that on your website

dry ember Oct 16, 2020, 8:02 PM

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until I try it with a proper build

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 8:03 PM

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But look at this, though.

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Eris gives a lot of bonus damage and between the length of the buff and how easy it is to activate if you launch your special every time you run out of ammo, it’s pretty much always active. It’s hard to go wrong with that. There’s not much to it other than that

robust anchor Oct 16, 2020, 8:03 PM

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:(

primal hazel Oct 16, 2020, 8:03 PM

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You oughta at least know something

worn citrus Oct 16, 2020, 8:03 PM

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...That's true though?

primal hazel Oct 16, 2020, 8:03 PM

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At least don't put eris in C

worn citrus Oct 16, 2020, 8:03 PM

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Well, from reading the tier list it does seem to mix good and fun up several times

shadow ridge Oct 16, 2020, 8:03 PM

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I play mmos and people lose a serious amount of sleep about "this person put the wrong information online" and "why are you not playing in the most mathematically optimal spreadsheet way possible"

worn citrus Oct 16, 2020, 8:04 PM

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So Eris is put in C not because it's bad, but because it's not "fun" because the buff is all there is to it

shadow ridge Oct 16, 2020, 8:04 PM

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It gets tiring

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 8:04 PM

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And I'm just quoting here:

There's not much to it other than [a lot of bonus damage, easy-to-activate, pretty much always active]

worn citrus Oct 16, 2020, 8:04 PM

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Which... sure, ok. That's not wrong tho.

cunning urchin Oct 16, 2020, 8:04 PM

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C Tier

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zaglol

worn citrus Oct 16, 2020, 8:04 PM

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I mean, look at the gauntlet part

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The commentary on gilgamesh is basically

dry ember Oct 16, 2020, 8:04 PM

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I play mmos and people lose a serious amount of sleep about "this person put the wrong information online" and "why are you not playing in the most mathematically optimal spreadsheet way possible"
This and "given enough time and opportunity, players will optimize the fun out of the game."

worn citrus Oct 16, 2020, 8:04 PM

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"I put it on the top because it's so fun"

primal hazel Oct 16, 2020, 8:04 PM

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There's a difference between ranking something by your estimation of fun or trying to rank objective power

worn citrus Oct 16, 2020, 8:04 PM

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Which, sure. A confusing metric but if that's how they're being rated, I guess.

dry ember Oct 16, 2020, 8:05 PM

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thing is this is a single player game

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if you want lightning strike on Arthur and call it S tier build

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go nuts

primal hazel Oct 16, 2020, 8:05 PM

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Also players looking for power even though it's about fun might get disappointed cause their subjective view doesn't align with the tier list

shadow ridge Oct 16, 2020, 8:05 PM

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There was this one person in one mmo I play who writes guides and "optimization", and they were raging super hard because some guy puts video guides on youtube, gets views, but it's not "up to their guide's standard".

dry ember Oct 16, 2020, 8:06 PM

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sounds like a case of jelly