h1-builds-and-combat

[red mist]

just save for persuasion dood

[solid cairn]

persuasion is so powerful

[red mist]

you can generally wing your 2nd/3rd god

[gilded nymph]

why doesn't pom blossom work with aphro pos duo

[red mist]

persuasion lets you find your build (nearly) every time

[sour bramble]

do keys give extra persuasion charges?

[solid cairn]

yes

[red mist]

yes

[sour bramble]

hm..

[red mist]

is there any combo for ME?

like what to do while my dash is on cooldown?

[robust anchor]

wait 1 second

maybe also attack

on sword i do special kekw

[red mist]

wait 1 second is literally the combo lol

that's funny

[sour bramble]

uhhhhhh

what the hell

i didn't press anything, hands were off the keyboard and everything, yet for some reason it selected a chaos boon for me

and it's completely useless

time to go swim in lava

[fossil compass]

Is Eris aspect good, or just quite gimmicky? I tried Hestia and I can't stand it

[robust anchor]

eris is very good

[cold mason]

eris is -nuts-

[half crater]

if there’s a “best” weapon in the game rn, it’s probably eris

so yeah it’s kinda alright lol

[sour bramble]

lads, i've been forced into a demeter cast build

what do I even go for

[sonic merlin]

Laser beams

And get extra casts from Artemis

[half crater]

grab artemis, try to get Crystal Clarity

only way to make meme beams actually kinda work imho

also ye, if you have artemis that’s a better chance for fully loaded

[sour bramble]

alrighty

[sonic merlin]

Does this not work anymore? https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/et9dru/most_op_cast_build_yet_ft_artemis_and_new_demeter/

[sour bramble]

would trying to go for athena's "you make more casts" shenanigan be worth it?

literally the only two boons I have so far are epic glacial glare and heroic crystal beam so

[fossil compass]

I don't get why Eris is super good, you're so limited by the reload time... I got likr 500 per hit max with Eris and it took so long

[half crater]

if you have glacial glare, try to get the explode on max freeze boon

can’t remember it’s name

[sonic merlin]

You can't get phalanx shot and crystal beam

Both are cast boons

So, no don't go Athena

[fossil compass]

Seems to be worse than just zag aspect with chain lightning

Unless I'm missing the build or playstyle

[sonic merlin]

Max Eris is 75% of all damage

[half crater]

it is not lol

[sonic merlin]

It's the only way to boost chain lightning, for example.

[half crater]

well, not the only way

[twilit roost]

does eris work with rocket launcher or nah

[sonic merlin]

(There are a few others, but it's a big way)

[half crater]

but the biggest boost you’re likely to get, yeah

does eris work with rocket launcher or nah
@twilit roost yes

[sonic merlin]

The boon for 10 sec encounter damage buff does too, as does the after DD one, but it's the most consistent.

[half crater]

absolutely yes

[sour bramble]

nah, not phalanx shot, uhhh

god, who's boon is it

[fossil compass]

Oh sorry I got it mixed up. I meant Hestia isn't great

[sonic merlin]

It's great with rocket launcher

[half crater]

rocket bomb is one of the best eris hammers imo

[fossil compass]

I'll try to use Eris now, thanks

[sour bramble]

the one that gives you two casts for the price of one

[twilit roost]

hot damn eris aspect sounds pretty broken

the first time i tried it i did a meme hazard bomb build

[fossil compass]

So Eris with chain lightning and jolted, and pray for Zeus legendary?

[half crater]

you’re thinking of mirage shot

poseidon/artemis duo

[sonic merlin]

that's.. fine I think?

[sour bramble]

yeah

that one

[half crater]

yeah pretty much

[sonic merlin]

Not sure how it interacts with crystal beam

Honestly I'd just go Artemis to get as much extra cast as possible, get Athena on dash for safety and just run around letting your beams blow everything up

[sour bramble]

well, hopefully we're gonna find out this run boys

let's go

[sonic merlin]

Get Hermes for Cast CD

[twilit roost]

all the best dude

[half crater]

duo you want is crystal clarity, for beams

dunno how mirage shot works, but even if it does it should be secondary to that

thats the artemis/demeter duo, to be clear

[sour bramble]

so, basically, just go full artemis and then if I get a Poseidon or three I can try and go into that but it's not really huge.

It'll probably be hard enough getting the extra casts and the duo, I have like... 2 points in the legendary/duo mirror

[half crater]

pretty much

better than none lol

[sonic merlin]

You might also want to consider getting Demeter on Attack to prevent enemies from kiting your beams

[sour bramble]

i maxed out the one that gives you chance of epic+ because having strong regular boons seemed better

[red mist]

@fossil compass "deal 75% more damage (including on all boons)" is all the convincing you need

[sonic merlin]

Are you using the sword?

[half crater]

glacial glare shot be doing all the chill attacks they need

[red mist]

okay fellas, I need 3 duo boons to finish my prophecy

[sour bramble]

Yeah, I'm using sword, but it's Nemesis

[red mist]

demeter+ares, demeter+poseidon, and poseidon+dio

[half crater]

better off going athena for safety or artemis for extra damage/prereqs on attack given the choice

[red mist]

how do I got about this efficiently

[sour bramble]

I don't have poseidon sword and I wasn't expecting to be doing a casting run this game.

[sonic merlin]

Which pact conditions do you guys find least punishing? Just trying to slowly farm more titan blood

[red mist]

TD1 is easy

[half crater]

^

EM1 isn’t bad, EM2 is alright as well once you get used to it

[red mist]

and EM1 gives nice dialogue

[half crater]

EM lernie is honestly easier (or at least faster) half the time lol

half the time? it’s faster all the time

[red mist]

HS is not a big deal most of the time

[half crater]

speedrunners use it

um

[red mist]

on low heat

[half crater]

hades fight says hello

[red mist]

HS will kill you in EM4 ofc

[half crater]

it’s manageable, but i’m not sure i’d recommend it as an early choice

[red mist]

a few points into hard labor doesn't hurt too much

[half crater]

HL without FO is alright, yeah

[red mist]

depending on your weapon, DC is either a royal pain or trivially easy

[half crater]

DC is free on some weapons (like rail) and bonkers difficult on others (arthur cries) so that’s something to watch out for

ninja’d lol

BP1 is basically fine

[sour bramble]

is it just me, or is Dionysus REALLY common in shop

[red mist]

it's just you

[half crater]

that might be because i’m used to it tho

[red mist]

your seed is probably mono-dio lol

anyway back to my question

I'm trying to get demeter+poseidon, poseidon+dio, and demeter+ares

[half crater]

i mean

you can’t get them all in the same run, if that’s what you want

[proven parcel]

Just equip the keepsake and hope they give you the stuff

[half crater]

they all require different casts

[red mist]

unfortunately so

[proven parcel]

Just know rngjesus knows you're searching

So it'll take like 90 runs

[half crater]

well, dem/pos and pos/ares are the same base cast, but incompatible

[red mist]

I have god's legacy and fated persuasion

I challenge rngesus to take me down

[half crater]

do it

not sure what advice you want? basically run god A keepsake in tartarus, god B keepsake in Asphodel, check the codex to make sure you meet the prereqs, pray

that’s about it lol

and use god’s legacy/fated persuasion, but you’re already doing that

[sour bramble]

man, the meme beams really do be going brr...

[sonic merlin]

Besides Zeus/Poseidon, what other gods work nicely on eris gun?

[unkempt pagoda]

dio

[half crater]

merciful end works

which isn’t news ig lol

[sonic merlin]

I have Zeus on attack, Poseidon on dash, need a decent call and special.

I have the rocket hammer as well.

[unkempt pagoda]

dio call or ares special

[sonic merlin]

Was thinking artemis for special damage.

[unkempt pagoda]

go for cluster bomb too

[half crater]

^

rocket shotgun best gun

[sonic merlin]

Don't have any fated but I'll hopefully get it

Is ares that good on special? I figured damage/crit would be better with the rocket.

[edgy jay]

what aspect should i get for spear?

[half crater]

artemis isn’t a bad special; it’ll qualify you for Support Fire

on a zeus build, you want Support Fire

i mean, it’s good on any eris really

[unkempt pagoda]

curse of pain has the higher base damage of the doom boons, and it gets boosted by eris

[sonic merlin]

Oh I forgot about the boost to doom damage

[half crater]

sure, but it doesn’t have duo synergy

and it isn’t going to be as good if they get rocket shotgun

but i’m sure it’s fine

what aspect should i get for spear?
@edgy jay i like achilles

but that’s because i’m not much of a spear player and achilles is the least speary of the spears

if you like spears, go hades

[sour bramble]

man... i just thought

elysium is going to be CBT with this demeter cast build

[red mist]

so now that I actually have blizzard shot

is it actually good?

[unkempt pagoda]

it's one of the best casts in the game

[red mist]

well I'm on achilles and all I want to do is make sure the big shot connects

idk if selling it is worth

[torpid wren]

Does picking a god keepsake between a run really guarantee them showing up in the zone? I honestly gave up on the the whole God B idea and go Blossom since I realized it doesn't always pan out.

[red mist]

it does

100%

ofc a god boon needs to show up

[unkempt pagoda]

why sell it, it's one of the best casts in the game

just shoot in the general direction of an enemy and watch it destroy things

[red mist]

the keepsake replaces a non-hermes boon with the god in question

[half crater]

just shoot in the general direction of an enemy and watch it destroy things
@unkempt pagoda unrelated but this right here is why i like casts builds

being good at the game? nah

hunting blades? yusyus

[torpid wren]

@red mist interesting. Thanks for the confirmation

It's just sometimes I do notice taking egg between runs and never seeing Chaos. Unless I skipped over them by accident back then

[unkempt pagoda]

chaos keepsake isn't a typical god keepsake

[turbid needle]

Poseidon-Demeter cast is pretty spicy with extra cast damage
though make exit wound ckinda useless

[cinder flower]

so how do you guys use guan yu

[unkempt pagoda]

i use charged skewer with aphrodite or artemis special

but i've heard good things about a spin build using divine strike

[cinder flower]

i see

[unkempt pagoda]

and a serrated point build taking advantage of GY's higher base damage, but this is unsafe

[cinder flower]

what's your favorite cast for achilles?

[unkempt pagoda]

high risk high reward type deal

i don't really like achilles, but zeus cast works well

i prefer pos sword or hera tbh

[cinder flower]

So what's considered some of the best spear builds overall

haven't really found a playstyle with spear i click with

[unkempt pagoda]

i find serrated point to be spear's best hammer over, with exploding launcher being spear's best special hammer

flurry jab, if it's like flurry shot, is probably also great

[cinder flower]

what aspect?

[unkempt pagoda]

can't go wrong with quick massive spin either

[sour bramble]

welp

the dmeter dream is dead

[unkempt pagoda]

imo all hades spear, it can do attack, special, or spin builds quite easily

[sour bramble]

got caught by the very last pizel of hades' spin and died

[unkempt pagoda]

zag spear is okay with exploding launcher though

[half crater]

as a fake spear player, i believe the best spear build is achilles as a hunting blades delivery system

but real spear players likely disagree lol

[turbid needle]

play spear like rail really

[primal hazel]

The best spear build is no spear build kappa

I just hope I'm gonna like leveled gy

[half crater]

play spear like rail? yeah eris is also a great hunting blades delivery system lol

[primal hazel]

Cause it seems sick in concept

Zeus attack lol

[half crater]

someday, i will learn GY

[unkempt pagoda]

once you get hunting blades, your weapon becomes secondary

greater recall becomes your main weapon 😛

[cunning urchin]

@cinder flower some Guan Yu tips here. #h1-high-heat-strategies message

[brittle vault]

are they ever gonna fix the hitboxes for the obstacles in the hades fight? i've lost so many times because i thought i was safe and the beams just go through the margins

[turbid needle]

if you get Guan Yu, try to take the hammer that let dash strike attack 3 times
its pretty dang nice if you also get Artemis' dash
for attack, idk, either Zeus or Demeter? i prefer the latter one

[half crater]

arty dash doesn’t buff lightning

[turbid needle]

yeah that's why i prefer Demeter on Guan Yu

[unkempt pagoda]

take a damage modifier god on serrated

[half crater]

yeah i was thinking arty/aphro

but GY is the weapon i’m least qualified to comment on lol

[primal hazel]

Does the triple hammer also triple your charge?

[half crater]

yeah mean your spin?

that’s not a dash attack

[primal hazel]

Yes

Bruh

I just read strike for some reason

Thought of the hammer that lets your spear attack in a 3 strike pattern

Well question still applies ig

I imagine it doesn't

[cunning urchin]

Serrated Point on Guan Yu is like taking High Confidence. Excellent DPS, but very risky.

[turbid needle]

Demeter on attack, Aphro special, Artemis dash-but have to pair with the hammer that let dash-strike attack 3 times
is probably the best Guan Yu build i can think of
quite consistence on the damage department, but getting it specifically like that might be hard

[magic cedar]

for aspect of rama what is the better boon setup aphro attack and dio special for low tolerence, or arty attack and aphro special for heart rend and unhelthy fixation?

[untold iris]

wait do companions scale with other damage multipliers???

than just did 7000 damage to hades

[turbid needle]

pressure point proc on EVERYthing

[primal hazel]

Bow Rama twin shot, point blank/perfect shot/explosive shot, artemis/aphro

On attack

Imo heart rend

Now you just gotta put eris in for that companion build lol

[turbid needle]

i wish we rather have the opposite of High Confidence, like not taking the 50max hp from the mirror, but we get the bonus damage from low hp

[mighty ermine]

meg's keepsake is essentially that

not mirror-related, i know

[turbid needle]

High confidence look like ony work efficiently on heal build or dodge build

[mighty ermine]

it's also good for speedruns where the extra health isn't needed, but the extra damage is welcome

[fossil compass]

Hang on... Is Eris 75% more damage... multiplicative?

[hazy slate]

additive

[primal hazel]

Most damage is additive

[half crater]

aaaaaaaa

[fossil compass]

additive, but works with chain lightning/jolts/etc, gotcha

[half crater]

^me, thinking about multiplicative eris

[turbid needle]

any way for a good Dio build? sometimes it get amazing, sometims it just feel so weak, feel like the only good Dio build is his call alone with rage-regen boons

[hazy slate]

eris works with dio

[unkempt pagoda]

use eris

[hazy slate]

since the damage bonus is universal

[primal hazel]

Aphro and ares duo

[hazy slate]

it affects hangover

[primal hazel]

For dio

[half crater]

yo want dio build? try eris

zeus build? eris

[primal hazel]

You want a build?

[half crater]

ares? eris?

[turbid needle]

eris the bow?

[primal hazel]

Eris

[half crater]

no boons at all?

[unkempt pagoda]

rail

[primal hazel]

Gun

[half crater]

eris

[turbid needle]

what does it do again?

[half crater]

makes you win

[primal hazel]

Universal 75% damage bonus

[unkempt pagoda]

+75% to all damage for 8 seconds after you stand in your special's blast

[primal hazel]

If you get hit by your own special

[fossil compass]

why would dio build be particularly good with eris? isnt hangover kinda low DPS curse?

[half crater]

not with eris

[primal hazel]

Yes but eris raises its damage

[fossil compass]

compared to like chain lightning or doom on special

[turbid needle]

wait that's actual universal damage? i thought its only attack damage
that is really really OP

[primal hazel]

Because it's global damage increas

It says ALL damage

It means ALL damage

[half crater]

yeah it works on random stuff like summons and support fire arrows etc.

[fossil compass]

I'm thinking something like doom on special that also got buffed

[half crater]

it’s literally all damage

[unkempt pagoda]

hangover have very few methods of damage modifier increases, which eris provides readily

[fossil compass]

not sure why 75% increase in hangover is better than chain lightning, still

[unkempt pagoda]

it scales very well with poms

[fossil compass]

unless im stupid, which yknow, I kinda am

[unkempt pagoda]

and its three duo boons are some of the best

[fossil compass]

hmm I see, will give dio eris run a try

[half crater]

pretty sure it’s not better than lightning tbh

but it works

[fossil compass]

dio-aphrodite combo, alrighty folks

[unkempt pagoda]

the original question was a build for dio, so

[turbid needle]

ok ill try Eris with Dio attack and rarely any other boon
for Persephone's keepsake to proc on that alone

[half crater]

ah, fair

[primal hazel]

Dio aphrodite and ares

Ares makes dio tick faster

[unkempt pagoda]

dio/aphrodite/ares/artemis core for all possible hangover related duos

[half crater]

curse of nausea+splitting headache

[turbid needle]

the hammer change to rocket nullify the bonus from eris right?

[half crater]

nope

[turbid needle]

so you just have to stand near the rocket explosion enough or something?

[half crater]

and you can get it way faster by point blanking the rocket into things, so it’s actually a pretty great upgrade

[unkempt pagoda]

the rocket's blast is the exact same as regular special

rocket only changes base damage and method of aiming

[fierce thicket]

I hate it when i have a perfect base setup and the game refuses to give me duo boons. I even have GL.

[primal hazel]

Mood

[half crater]

oh man do i feel you

[primal hazel]

Every time I beam build

[half crater]

chiron arty build today

how many chances at heart rend did i get?

[turbid needle]

mood
and there are time where Poseidon give the Pom+1 in world 2

[half crater]

TEN

did i ever see it?

NOPE

[primal hazel]

I'm just hunting for the last two duos for prophecy

Unfortunately two different cast boons

[half crater]

i mean, it is theoretically possible to get two duos with different cast prereqs in one run

be a good meme

[primal hazel]

Yeah I can sell or trade

But I'd also like to get a heat clear at the same time

[turbid needle]

wait am i crazy or if a duo appear and you choose a different boon, it have a high chance to retain into the next boon we get from that god?
i remember getting a poseidon boon that have 2 duo, i pick 1 and the next poseidon boon have that exact duo that i havent picked too

[primal hazel]

It feels like it

At least that happens a lot for me

[pallid dagger]

why's aphrodite so stingy today

every god i've met has offered high rarity boons and here she is with cheap crap

[primal hazel]

When two duos show up, the one I don't choose will, what feels like always, show up

[half crater]

i don’t think that’s real

prolly confirmation bias

[primal hazel]

I wasn't saying that

It'd be interesting if someone has data in it tho

[half crater]

yeah

i mean, could be true idk for sure

[primal hazel]

Codeminers assemble xD

[turbid needle]

like i remember not choosin a demeter duo to pick the dps effect, that duo appear in the next Demeter
so Duo have a small chance to appear, but after they appear, they have a high chance of appearing again if you dont pick it
feel fair?

[primal hazel]

I mean such a mechanic would make sense to me

But as ohokwy said: there seems to be no confirmation as of yet unfortunately

Maybe @cunning urchin knows
I summon thee xD

[turbid needle]

though Demeter-Athena's duo is probably the only one i dont see appearing again, but many other duo usually appear again

[hearty elbow]

I believe the way it works is the game will decide per slot if it is or is not a Duo, then it will pick randomly amongst the duos you are eligible for.

[primal hazel]

But overall the appearance of duos and legendaries are random though

[hearty elbow]

You aren't more likely to keep seeing the same duo for the rest of the run, it just feels that way (LOOKING AT YOU PARTING SHOT)

[primal hazel]

Aside from eligibility

[half crater]

lmao parting shot

it follows me

i cannot escape

[primal hazel]

Weird naming then

[half crater]

once i took it just to have more choices in the future

[hearty elbow]

Lightning Rod was S tier ironic naming

Pre-1.0

[pallid dagger]

is it me or are casts particularly scarce when using beowulf's shield?

[primal hazel]

Was that the athena/aphro boon?

The backstab cast one?

[hearty elbow]

No, it's aphro/athena

(yes)

[half crater]

is it me or are casts particularly scarce when using beowulf's shield?
@pallid dagger it’s just you, but imagine if it weren’t

[turbid needle]

i cant build Beowulf, i dont know what the speedrunner do to make it that good

[half crater]

what a troll move that would be

“here, a shield for cast builds”

“you can’t find casts now haha”

[turbid needle]

i took 2 extra cast from chaos and Beowulf still feel weak/slow

[half crater]

i love beo

what cast were you using?

[turbid needle]

Aphro iirc
cant remmeber, have to check later

[pallid dagger]

i just stepped into asphodel. just got a legendary. still no cast in sight.

this is rude.

[half crater]

aphro is solid

[primal hazel]

Beowulf build: Heartbreak Strike, Heartbreak Flourish, Passion Flare, Divine Dash, Zeus' Aid, Smoldering Air. Make sure you use Infernal Soul, charged flight hammer

~This build is courtesy of @cunning urchin ~

[cunning urchin]

Quoting me without naming me. Plagiarism.

[pallid dagger]

i tried a zeus cast last run when i finally got one

[half crater]

oh i’m sorry

[pallid dagger]

it.....did not work the way i had hoped.

[half crater]

aphro is solid
-Nyaanyaa Mewmew

[primal hazel]

I don't want to credit you 20 times a day

[turbid needle]

so Chiron isnt strong enough, Supergiant have to add 1 more arrow so its only 1 shot away from the regular ones

[primal hazel]

You know if the duo thing we talked about has some factual backing?

Chiron is strong enough still imo

[cunning urchin]

I've seen lots of quotes from me flying around lately without even an indication that it's a quote. Not very fond of that.

[hearty elbow]

Chiron is plenty strong enough right now.

[primal hazel]

Well I have properly credited you now

[turbid needle]

I've seen lots of quotes from me flying around lately without even an indication that it's a quote. Not very fond of that.
-not from Nyaanyaa Mewmew

[digital plank]

Quoting me without naming me. Plagiarism.
-Nyaanyaa Mewmew On discord

[primal hazel]

Proper quotes also need time, date and source specification

Pathetic xD

[digital plank]

oh noes!

[half crater]

hades builds and combat; we’re serious about citing sources here

[primal hazel]

I gotcha

[digital plank]

yes

[primal hazel]

We're very professional

[half crater]

like this:

lucifer is bad
-me, just now

[hearty elbow]

[weasel words][citation needed]

[half crater]

wait crap has Nyaanyaa ever said lucifer is bad

[hearty elbow]

(everyone has at some point lol)

[half crater]

oh no

[primal hazel]

It not right boo

[turbid needle]

need to cite SuperGiant Games for that one, chief

[marsh pumice]

but Lucifer is bad
-wiki

[half crater]

hey you didn’t cite me

or Nyaanyaa

[primal hazel]

Well it's not your idea

[turbid needle]

i still like Lucifer with Demeter attack and Dio special though

[half crater]

i decided i’d do a lucifer run a couple days ago, for lolz

yeah...

i’m still waiting for it’s first attack startup animation to finish

[hearty elbow]

Lol, I like how the trade-off with Eternal Chamber is that you don't have to deal with that startup as often, but you no longer get iframes ever again

[half crater]

a tough decision tbh

[turbid needle]

wait what?
eternal chamber is the infinite ammo but no rampup right?

[hearty elbow]

Yes

[turbid needle]

how does it take away i frame?

[hearty elbow]

With any weapon, you don't get iframes for dashing while attacking

Malphon, Flurry Slash, Rail

[turbid needle]

so once you attack you lose iframe from dash?

[primal hazel]

When you dash attack

Or dash during attack

With rail or flurrys

[turbid needle]

still dont get what you are saying

[primal hazel]

You can dash while shooting the rail f.e. and still shoot

[hearty elbow]

All dashes give iframes. You know how you can hold down the attack button on Rail and FIst? If you do that and try to dash while you're holding it, you get 0 iframes

[primal hazel]

So you won't lose fps but it's not the regular dash animation

You lose your I frames

Also fist I forgot that yeah

You can still dodge out of harms way ofc but not through hitboxes

[digital plank]

j

[half crater]

You can keep firing while you dash, but if you do so you’ll lose your dash i-frames

but if you don’t keep firing while you dash, what’s even the point of eternal chamber?

it’s a moral dilemma, basically

[hearty elbow]

I'm pretty sure this applies to all dashes while attacking but it's most obvious on those two weapons, and flurry hammers

[turbid needle]

i mean that's why i pair eternal chamber with demeter, idk?

[primal hazel]

How does that connect

[hearty elbow]

Is why Flash Fire is a lot better on Lucifer lol. It gives you range, cuts that stupid startup in half, and lets you play more with your iframes to dodge, because Lucifer sure isn't making the bullet hell part of the game any easier

[primal hazel]

"bullet hell"

[half crater]

flash fire benefits should be standard

[hearty elbow]

The range used to be

[half crater]

at a minimum, imo

[hearty elbow]

They nerfed Lucifer lmao

[half crater]

really?

wth

[primal hazel]

Can you remind me what's flash fire again?

[hearty elbow]

I did.

15% range, 50% discount on your startup

[primal hazel]

Thanks

[sour bramble]

you can put bullet hell in quotations all you want but you know FULL well the witches' circle miniboss is straight out of touhou

[primal hazel]

I meant the boom description
The sum up you wrote after made it more clear for me

Fair

But that's 1 room

[turbid needle]

imagine if Touhou has deflect

[half crater]

you need more seeking cloning witches in your life, if you think there’s only one room of bullet hell in this game

[sour bramble]

honestly, asphodel has a LOT of projectile spam, moreso than any more zone

touhou with deflect would be actually nutty

[cloud barn]

@primal hazel have you played Nuclear Throne

[hearty elbow]

I like that Lucifer get 5 unique hammers, but 2.5 of them have text

So really, Lucifer's hammer pool is worse on average because of that

[turbid needle]

they need to add one more hammer in Asphodel for Lucifer alone

[primal hazel]

Nuclear throne, gungeon yeah

[half crater]

yus nuclear throne

used to be my most played game

[primal hazel]

Also actual bullet hell's
But I suck at them

[half crater]

then hades happened

[hearty elbow]

I've never really been able to sink my teeth into a roguelite until Hades either

[sour bramble]

i've never played nuclear throne, I own it but I've never actually played it

[hearty elbow]

I dabbled with them, but the progression loops always felt off, and there was little context to playing

[turbid needle]

i mean Hades is like half-bullet hell, half hackandslash
its not fully a bullet hell

[half crater]

if you own it, you should prolly give it a shot

(pun intended)

[primal hazel]

It's not even half bullet hell

[half crater]

yeah i’ve deep(ish) dived into a few roguelites before, and i always get super into them then burn out and never play them again

[primal hazel]

How many chambers are there maximum? 68? It's 1/68th bullet hell

[half crater]

but hades is sticking with me longer

[hearty elbow]

I was playing RoR2 for a month or so before 1.0 came out, then 1.0 came out out of nowhere. Guess that phase was over.

[half crater]

it’s definitely not as bullet hell as NT, but it’s more than 1/68th bullet hell lol

RoR2 is great, but i dislike that all but one of the characters aren’t Loader

[hearty elbow]

I was literally in a RoR2 run when I saw the announcement on this discord lmao. Instant sudoku.

[half crater]

that game is a spider-man simulator, prove me wrong

[velvet basalt]

Out of all the rogue lites I've played, Hades has the best feeling for making proper builds, IMO

I love buildcraft

[turbid needle]

RoR 2 is the spider man game where AAA studios too scared to make

[half crater]

agree

[hearty elbow]

500ish hours in and I'm still learning stuff about builds, yeah it's pretty insanely deep

[torpid wren]

Before Hades for me was Monolith. Was a tester for the last dlc that came out, but now I'm just burnt out on roguelites with guns

[half crater]

literally no game ever has done web swinging like RoR2 loader

(prolly not true, but idc)

[turbid needle]

like how hard is it for AAA studio to make spiderman fly at the speed of mach 1 ramming into stuffs?

[half crater]

agree

you know what spider-man needs?

powerfists

[primal hazel]

I really liked risk of rain 2

For like 15 hours

[half crater]

lol

actually same

[primal hazel]

Had way more fun with ror 1 for some reason
Also it sucks that I have to wait half a year for an update

On console

[half crater]

but then some friends who were more into it roped me into to doing multiplayer runs, and i eventually learned a lot more about the game/how to play

[primal hazel]

The gameplay loop feels too unrewarding and disconnected
Ateasf for me

[turbid needle]

ror 1 was fun with chef who was the god of the plain of 2d

[half crater]

and now i like it a lot

[primal hazel]

It's more fun in multiplayer
But that's every game

I like it but it doesn't draw me

The chef was my fave

[half crater]

fair

i just like Loader lol

sometimes i’m just swinging around while my friends are actually killing stuff lmao

[turbid needle]

Loader in RoR 1 was barely as good as current loader

the melee chars in RoR 1 are really really weak

[half crater]

i haven’t played RoR1

[primal hazel]

I love the concept of grapple guy in ror2
But I haven't played it and hades is more important

But what bugs me most is the god damn update cycle
I know it's not the developers faulf

[half crater]

ngl, i haven’t done an RoR2 run in... a couple months, maybe?

hades is, indeed, too important

[primal hazel]

But it's literally half a fricking year jesus

[turbid needle]

petition to make Thanatos a playable dlc and Zag sometimes appear to help him during runs

[primal hazel]

As coop

[sour bramble]

i had a crackhead idea similar to that

[half crater]

oh man i read that as theseus as a playable character

[primal hazel]

But I want helios as a god

Beef with dem storyline

[half crater]

i was like... uh, interesting choice

[sour bramble]

expansion where you play as someone breaking INTO hell, entire game is reversed and rebalanced

zag is a roaming miniboss

[velvet basalt]

Hades crossover with Ultrakill

[primal hazel]

I want theseus as a playable characters
To let him die to asterius

Every

Time

[half crater]

you can make asterius kill theseus

kinda cathartic

[primal hazel]

expansion where you play as someone breaking INTO hell, entire game is reversed and rebalanced
@sour bramble interesting idea for a different game lol

Spin off

[sour bramble]

yeah, like

you start in styx

first boss is cerberus

rebalanced to make it not a torture experience without 3 stages of buffs

last area is tartarus and IS torture

[primal hazel]

Last area is house

You are demeter and want to retrieve your daughter

[sour bramble]

zag as a roaming miniboss who is angry because this random dude/gal beat up his dog

[primal hazel]

Zag is angry because someone wants to kidnap his mom

[half crater]

zag gets random god boons

if he gets ME you just die lol

[sour bramble]

nah, not random

he gets attacks and specials based on your last zag run

[safe jacinth]

Epic greater evasion or epic quick revovery?

[sour bramble]

so if you went fists with zeus as your primary god, he'd have fists and lightning based attacks

[turbid needle]

fighting Zag but he got all the revenge boons

[half crater]

i veer towards recovery these days, but idk what the actual “correct” choice is

[primal hazel]

What evasion

[safe jacinth]

hm this is tough

[sour bramble]

it'd be cool if this hypothetical expansion character could be encountered as Zag too

[primal hazel]

Why recover health with a strict timing when you can just not get hit

[safe jacinth]

I think ill just take evasion, bc i forget to doge alot

dodge

[half crater]

you get the health recovery basically for free half the time

[primal hazel]

You dodge more damage than you would recover imo

[half crater]

and you have zero control over the dodge

maybe

like i said; i don’t actually really know

[primal hazel]

But it's like 30% Doge right?

[half crater]

it’s 50% damage recovery

i believe it’s 30% dodge yes

which is pretty high

[primal hazel]

My point is with the dodge you would dodge the entire damage

[half crater]

idk

[primal hazel]

Unconditional

[half crater]

if it procs

that’s the condition

[safe jacinth]

20% dodge

[primal hazel]

The recovery is "only" 50% of what you would've taken

[half crater]

70% chance to do nothing is far from unconditional

[primal hazel]

If you can time it

[safe jacinth]

Yeah dodge makes more sense

[half crater]

*80% chance to do nothing

[primal hazel]

I can see your point ohokwy

[half crater]

yeah now i’m remembering why i’m veering recovery these days lol

[primal hazel]

I don't want to rely on human (my) error

[safe jacinth]

20% more health vs lets say 40% chance to heal 50%

[primal hazel]

Depends on your timing/skill ig

I just like not taking damage xD

[half crater]

entirely fair

[primal hazel]

Well at least the game allows both of our views to exist

[half crater]

you may actually be right; i don’t pay close enough attention to really know

yeah true

[primal hazel]

Right about?

[half crater]

that dodge is better

[primal hazel]

I dunno
My opinion is far from factual xD

[half crater]

same tbh

[primal hazel]

I'm more of a stomach and less of a maths guy

[half crater]

yeah me too

i’m perfectly capable of doing fairly complex statistics, i just usually couldn’t be bothered lol

[primal hazel]

Well guess you got that ahead of me then

I'm very good at spamming though
So there's that

[half crater]

spamming is all you need

[pallid dagger]

ultimate verdict on the beowulf shield?
.......pretty okay.

i still abhor the abysmal speed as i do with every other final aspect, but it's better than arthur and rama purely because it doesn't bar you from the hammer that speeds things up

i got sudden rush both runs, and it operated decently. nothing crazy, i'd put it at about the same level as the zag shield.

[fossil compass]

how does hazard bomb (railgun special can hurt you) interact with eris aspect (you can absorb your blast)? Do you still get hurt?

[sour bramble]

You still take damage but you also get the eris buff, pretty sure.

[hazy slate]

you still get hurt

[fossil compass]

phew, almost made a bad decision

[sour bramble]

The damage is fairly low as far as I remember, I did a hazard bomb artemis run and I swear I only ever at max took like 10 damage from accidently stepping into my blast.

Pretty much the same damage as an inferno bomb.

Took 1 damage a few times too.

[turbid needle]

the damage from the blast really doesnt do that much damage to you,
it do like 1-5 damage top iirc
it would be bad for low max hp but generally it isnt too bad overall imo

[sour bramble]

BUT if you're running Eris it's 100% not worth it.

[hot vessel]

You can also time your dodge to iframe the damage while still getting the absorb buff, according to people on the internet.

[sour bramble]

Okay, knowing that you can time the iframe it might be a bit worth it.

[hot vessel]

Haven’t verified it myself.

[sour bramble]

But that seems pretty risky to be doing all of the time.

If you're running Eris you're probably better off taking the cluster bomb hammer, or rockets or something.

[hot vessel]

I did learn that the hammer that changes the bombs to rockets completely shuts off the Eris buff, even if you fire point blank into something.

[sour bramble]

Really? Could have sworn someone in here said it worked.

I don't have Eris aspect so I'm just guessing most of the drivel I'm saying but.

It doesn't take a big brain to know that taking 1-5 damage every 8 seconds is inefficient.

[hot vessel]

Stopped seeing the electricity animation on myself from that point in the run, tried firing it into walls to be sure.

[pallid dagger]

gonna do a spear play...

[fossil compass]

ok so specific question - does weak effect get applied before damage calculation?

specifically, let's say I attack with a weak effect. I have the boon that adds damage to weak enemies. Does my first attack get that bonus damage?

[hot vessel]

I do not think so, but I can’t verify that right now.

[half crater]

I did learn that the hammer that changes the bombs to rockets completely shuts off the Eris buff, even if you fire point blank into something.
@hot vessel this is incorrect

[worn citrus]

How much HP do you people usually aim to have by last boss?

[half crater]

hmm

may have been a bug?

i’ve 100% had it work for me

[sour bramble]

I feel 200 or more is comfy.

[primal hazel]

Most damage is additive

[hot vessel]

@half crater Eris buff shows as an electric effect on zagreus, right? Give it a try yourself and let me know what you see.

[primal hazel]

So you just get +10% base damage I think

[half crater]

+1 to 200 odd hp

[frozen dock]

ice wine sucks

[half crater]

yeah i have tried it

[primal hazel]

@fossil compass It only applies when the enemy is weakened

That's what it literally says in the description

So only after you applied weak to an enemy

[red mist]

Hello I would like a half-decent stygian soul run

Need it for legendary prophecy

[hot vessel]

I mean, the person was asking about whether on hit effects apply before or after damage.

[primal hazel]

Stygian you just take when you don't do cast builds

[red mist]

Lol

[primal hazel]

So do a regular run
Fire and forget your cast

[red mist]

Sounds about right

[primal hazel]

Since you don't have to pick it up

[plain mantle]

second wave or mirage shot?

[primal hazel]

So no worries on that ;D

Depends on you build

[plain mantle]

i already have sea storm

[frosty jolt]

Is Artemis boon good on Chiron special? I thought it would be great but damage output was very underwhelming

[plain mantle]

with poseidon aspect

[primal hazel]

What are you going for? A cast build?

[plain mantle]

yup

[primal hazel]

If not then wave

[plain mantle]

i think mirage is better

[primal hazel]

If you're going for a cast build then I'd say mirage

[red mist]

@frosty jolt what level is your chiron

[plain mantle]

ok well theres another room for artemis

[primal hazel]

Artemis is meh on chiron

[fossil compass]

@primal hazel I can read the description. I asked if the weak effect is applied before or after damage calculation.

[frosty jolt]

Chiron is max level (finally )

[sour bramble]

@frosty jolt I enjoyed Artemis on Chiron, but I can imagine it'd be better with something that's flat damage.

[primal hazel]

The effect is applied with the attack

[sour bramble]

You gotta remember I'm the guy who said Dio on Chiron would be nutty because BIG STACKS

[red mist]

Unfortunately zeus does not work with chiron

[primal hazel]

Only affects subsequent attacks

[frosty jolt]

Haha I think Dio was the first thing I tried on Chiron. Followed by Zeus

[primal hazel]

Play den on chiron imo

[plain mantle]

dang thank you rng gods

[red mist]

Hence why artemis chiron is a thing to begin with

[plain mantle]

i got mirage shot and second wave

[primal hazel]

Someone up there wants you to succeed

@fossil compass well since you're question amounted to: Do I still get the damage from the boon on my first shot before applying weak?my answer still applies

It's seperate from damage calc I think

The curse

[worn citrus]

Is there a meta for the mirror talents? Like should I go with epic chance or legendary chance?

[plain mantle]

Legendary is much better if you're going for duo boons

And getting legendary boons

[bronze sorrel]

What's a fun post 1.0 chaos build that doesn't involve using Merciful End (I'm bored of it)?

[primal hazel]

Poseidon special

[bronze sorrel]

Really? Whats the strategy?

[primal hazel]

Big splash

[calm saddle]

^^^

it's hilarious

[primal hazel]

Just go for poseidon, rupture and legendary
Also the boss damage boom

[calm saddle]

I struggles with the bosses tho

[primal hazel]

You can play it with zeus duo

[bronze sorrel]

Zeus Duo will trigger the lightning cooldown on special tho

[calm saddle]

Crit Chiron bow is alot of fun

[gloomy ivy]

Does someone have a good ||Guan Yu|| build I could try?

[primal hazel]

It will

[gloomy ivy]

Or any spear aspect really.

[primal hazel]

Still fun from my experience

[gloomy ivy]

I have such a hard time figuring out how to play the spear.

[primal hazel]

Guan Yu special build artemis flourish, charged skewer, heart rend

[lone lava]

Artemis or aprhodite special

Charged skewer

[proven sierra]

had a blast with this dash build on the Fourth Aspect of the twin fists. spoilers for EM4 Hades: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPUCqytgmTU

[mellow quest]

gotta leverage the range on it and stunlock enemies while backstabbing if it's an attack based build

it's not like sword where you can reliably swipe a small arc of enemies

better to line them up

[primal hazel]

Zeus Duo will trigger the lightning cooldown on special tho
@bronze sorrel it will but you mostly take it for some extra damage and cc

[worn citrus]

Dark foresight or Olympian favor?

[gloomy ivy]

Hm the special builds for Guan Yu sound interesting. I’ve only really ever tried to leverage the attack.

[primal hazel]

Favor

[gloomy ivy]

Which I find to be so dependent on getting the right hammers.

[primal hazel]

Special is where he's power is at I heard

[plain mantle]

wow dad call is super good

[worn citrus]

I've always gone with favour, but I've seen people comment foresight. But 40%

[gloomy ivy]

Do you basically just play special Guan Yu builds like a quick shot bow or something?

[primal hazel]

I'm mostly going for duos and legendaries in my build so I'm favour

[proven sierra]

i have mostly been unimpressed by guan yu's special. it seems underwhelming compared to the default. what am i missing?

[primal hazel]

Foresight has a merit in general run consistency

But I wanna get my builds

[worn citrus]

Builds good

[gloomy ivy]

Yeah same. Except I’m just underwhelmed by all spear specials currently. It’s the only weapon that really confounds me on how to play it effectively.

[primal hazel]

Spears just not my playstyle

[plain mantle]

i have mostly been unimpressed by guan yu's special. it seems underwhelming compared to the default. what am i missing?
@proven sierra actually guan yu special is better than all other spear specials

[primal hazel]

Dad call is eh

[plain mantle]

its hitbox is huge and deals 45 base damage

[mellow quest]

the guan yu special starts off a little worse but its base damage is much higher and it starts with a bit of AoE

so it gets much stronger later

[plain mantle]

special builds work really well

especially if you get the hammer for charging the special

[proven sierra]

Dad call is eh on small-hit builds like fists

Dad call is dope on big-hit builds like excalibur, bow

[mellow quest]

you also benefit from not having to recall

[primal hazel]

Fair yes

[gloomy ivy]

Gotcha. So you really only attack charge for health regen in these builds?

[plain mantle]

yeah

[primal hazel]

I prefer zeus, athena

[plain mantle]

spin should not be the main focus]

[primal hazel]

Dio etc

[mellow quest]

attack is still strong and more reliably stuns unarmored enemies

[gloomy ivy]

Yeah. I mean more in this you’d use the attack more when the opportunity presents itself but you’re trying to go all in on special stacking with boons.

[worn citrus]

Do you guys go with golden touch above deep pockets? I feel like getting more than 100g with 15% of your total per cleared area shouldn't be too hard, but maybe the 100g early is more useful, idk

[plain mantle]

Dad call is eh on small-hit builds like fists

Dad call is dope on big-hit builds like excalibur, bow
@proven sierra big hit cast builds work well too imo

[mellow quest]

it's just a little difficult to get a safe opening to start the combo, especially if you have forced overtime on

[proven sierra]

@proven sierra big hit cast builds work well too imo
@plain mantle crush shot baby

[plain mantle]

flood shot for that huge aoe

also crush shot on hera aspect is kinda janky

especially in styx

[proven sierra]

also crush shot on hera aspect is kinda janky
@plain mantle they JUST changed this in the new patch. not sure how? but they changed it

[plain mantle]

for some reason it doesnt hit the enemy

[mellow quest]

I take deep pockets, i spend in tartarus a fair amount and i found that most runs i was missing 1-2 purchases i wanted in tartarus and only getting about 30-90 extra gold off golden touch

[plain mantle]

yeah i updated but i still get some problems in styx

[proven sierra]

deep pockets > golden touch imo

[worn citrus]

Yeah, now that I think about it, you'd need to get around 300 gold early for it to pay off easily

[mellow quest]

golden touch is fine if you're just farming darkness at low heat and want to buy a diamond/titan blood/ambrosia at the end

[gloomy ivy]

On this note it’s worth mentioning if you use Olympian Favor, Touch is more reliable since you don’t depend on Charon for boons as much.

Favor also good for Customs.

[pallid dagger]

alright well

[gloomy ivy]

But yeah Pockets can really kickstart a run.

[pallid dagger]

my run got kneecapped in elysium, so final boss killed me

but still, that was one of the most fun spear runs i've had

[stark ore]

Golden Touch is what I go for, you can get tons of extra gold but don’t take it if you tend to take shops a ton

[mellow quest]

is it just me or is middle managemeng witches miniboss in asphodel easier than the regular encounter

[stark ore]

What do they do with MM again?

[pallid dagger]

hmmm.

[mellow quest]

sure they have those more damaging shots but the screen isn't absolutely flooded anymore

[hot vessel]

My experience with that fight directly correlates with how much deflect I have at the time.

[pallid dagger]

flurry jab, or serrated edge?

[stark ore]

Flurry Jab, works great with stackable boons

Plus it’s just more reliable

[mellow quest]

the miniboss i really hate with middle management is the slamdancer/burn flingerone in tartarus

especially with forced overtime

who needs to see what you are doing under a bunch of exploding pot things and all the damage popups you're dealing and taking

so what exactly is different about crush shot on hera bow

i never played with that combo before the patch and it feels fine now

[pallid dagger]

i mean, nothing, besides that you can hit with all three casts at once

...hmm.

i got everything i needed to before asphodel

don't know what keepsake to pick now

[stark ore]

||Persephone|| should work

Otherwise Lambent Plume or Pierced Butterfly could be good picks

[pallid dagger]

don't you lose their bonuses if you un-equip them?

[spare flare]

"The most standard setup is God > God > Coinpurse/Acorn > Acorn"

[stark ore]

Tbh I feel like I win more with Lucky Tooth even if it’s objectively worse than Acorn for bosses

Guess it’s called Lucky Tooth for a reason

[spare flare]

If your HP gets to really silly levels, it's not objectively worse, any more.

But, like, really silly levels of eHP.

[pallid dagger]

objectively worse? it's a whole extra life

i'll take that way ahead of 5 free hits, especially for theseus or dad

[spare flare]

It's half an extra life.

[stark ore]

Depending on the heat, 100 health isn’t as good as 5 free hits

[worn citrus]

So are boons pulled from some "sub-pools" or am I just unlucky? I feel like I always kind of see the same boons together. I tried to get Demeter to reroll for one of the boons required for her legendary but despite rolling 3 times I didn't see one of them once and ended up back at the original selection.

[spare flare]

Even at base heat, Hades camp whomp you for 40 a pop.

[mellow quest]

acorn is overrated imo, I prefer broken spearpoint especially for the last boss since there is lots of sources of small hits and multi ticks like lasers

[stark ore]

There’s tiers of boons. Tier 1 consists of things like the attacks, specials, casts, etc. Tier 2 needs a Tier 1 boon to spawn, as it usually affects a Tier 1 boon. Tier 3 boons are pretty much legendaries and duos

[spare flare]

Boons have prerequisites, and gods tend to prefer filling you out to making exchanges.

It happens, but it's very rare for an exchange to occur in Tartarus. Likewise, getting a legendary early on is, outside of scripted events, extremely uncommon.

[solid hazel]

Other than lasers and specific adds, I can't think of that many small hits in Hades where broken spear point is useful @Veritas

[spare flare]

Yeah, I dunno', man. I take a lot more damage from sudden, "Wasn't I dodging? I dodged that. Humbug!" 20s and 40s, not the minions.

[bright flint]

maybe for ||EM4|| spearpoint has a use

[solid hazel]

I haven't seen the calculation, so I have some skepticism, but either ledger or nyannyan told me they did some test calculations with acorn vs other defensive keepsakes and acorn usually wins

[bright flint]

but yea normally acorn should be better than spearpoint

[pallid dagger]

one person's experience can't say anything definitively.

[solid hazel]

And I keep saying this... But lucky tooth is objectively worse than spiked collar with one or more dd

In terms of just hp gain

[brisk trench]

It also procs last in the line

[solid hazel]

A few ares and Athena boons help lucky tooth, but spiked collar also benefits from more healing from fountains and Charon well also

[brisk trench]

Making it just awful

Tooth's DD I mean

[solid hazel]

one person's experience can't say anything definitively.
@pallid dagger again I haven't seen the Calc, but I would hope they tested various cases which considered many likely scenarios

[pallid dagger]

what does test calculation even mean
it's a randomized game. there's nothing that stays the same between runs

[brisk trench]

Id imagine you could do like a spreadsheet of possible combinations

[mellow quest]

yeah em4 + middle management spearpoint is better

[brisk trench]

They do that for Slay the Spire all the time at top level

[solid hazel]

If I were to do low effort, I would probably guess which attacks I get hit by the most, take the average and then just multiply for 5

You could get a lot more complicated

You could watch runs and actually note what attacks people get hit by

[brisk trench]

Take note of the differences with people taking defensive boons vs offensive boons

[solid hazel]

I mean look I'm not saying any of this is easy, all I'm saying is just because it's randomized doesn't mean you cant do any mathematical analysis

[brisk trench]

Make your own spreadsheet there

[pallid dagger]

i think you should edge away from trying to figure out the game too much like this.
it just seems like trying to assure yourself of results that don't mean much.

[solid hazel]

I'm not gonna tell you how to play the game, so I would appreciate it if you don't tell me how I should either

[brisk trench]

Same, dont yuck my yum

[pallid dagger]

whatever man.

[brisk trench]

Making me want to do a run when I should be sleeping

[solid hazel]

All I'm saying is it somebody thinks something is better than something else...i remain unconvinced without some semblance of mathematically reasoning

[brisk trench]

What are some fun rail runs people do?

[primal hazel]

Zeus attack haha

[solid hazel]

I K ow that doesn't speak to everyone, but I find other arguments pretty unconvincing

[primal hazel]

Works everitim

[brisk trench]

Well obviously

[floral matrix]

I like to do oneshot rail builds

Hestia + doom

[primal hazel]

Do sniper build with hestia

[stark ore]

Hidden rail, Zeus attack, Demeter cast (hopefully with Artemis duo), Support Fire

[brisk trench]

I still dont have the elysium npc encounter's keepsake

I dont have hidden yet, sadly

[floral matrix]

By hidden you mean dad's one?

how strong is it actually when upgraded?

[brisk trench]

Ive fulfilled all but the encounter's requirements for the rail

[primal hazel]

Good on high damage, low attack speed

Weapons

[brisk trench]

I might just meme hard and go full random by maxing Approval Process

[worn citrus]

Are there any times where the god cannot offer a legendary boon if you meet the prerequisites?

[brisk trench]

For the rail that does bonus damage when I use the bomb on myself, do I still take damage from the hammer upgrade that causes the q to do friendly fire?

[worn citrus]

Like a god won't offer a duo boon with another god if they're in a "choice" room

[floral matrix]

How do you run attack speed rail without getting hit all the time lul

[solid hazel]

@brisk trench yes you still take damage...

[rancid socket]

https://prnt.sc/v0301z hard choice

[solid hazel]

So it's not a great pick

[brisk trench]

Just dodge more 4head

[floral matrix]

Death Defiance is for people who get hit

[brisk trench]

Thanks @solid hazel I will not take that rail when I do the Approval Process run lmao

[floral matrix]

I mean yeah dodge more but that means less continuous fire, that's why I run oneshot builds on it

[solid hazel]

But it's only 3 damage, maybe you shouldn't be such a wimp and just take it

[rancid socket]

ill take defiance since special is my main mode of combat

[brisk trench]

Oh maybe then

[solid hazel]

Joking totally in case it wasn't obvious

[floral matrix]

btw am I bad or is guan yu bad?

[frozen dock]

guan yu is okay

[brisk trench]

Show everyone how HIGH SKILL I am by having to make decisions on whether or not to take damage mid fight not like chaos doesnt test the same skill

[frozen dock]

jsut hard to use it at high heats

[brisk trench]

Guan Yu requires the upgrades

imo

[frozen dock]

like above 25 or so

[brisk trench]

At -70% its just not worth touching

[frozen dock]

yeah i have a max guanyu and still havent done any 20+ heat runs on it yet

[floral matrix]

My main problem with it is that the spin attack is so ineffective

but it's supposed to be my main mode

[brisk trench]

Dont think of it as a spin attack like the other weapons

[frozen dock]

use special runs for guan yu

[brisk trench]

^

[frozen dock]

spin is just to heal tbh

[brisk trench]

Spin is also an OK midrange move

If you get fast spin it may be worth

[solid hazel]

@floral matrix,somebody else gave me this build you could try for fun

Gy with divine strike, Deadly flourish, and deadly reversal

Charged skewer is great bonus too

[brisk trench]

Which one is deadly reversal?

[solid hazel]

Athena/arty duo increased crit chance after deflecting

[brisk trench]

Ooooh wow yeah that seems fun

Spin-Q all day

[solid hazel]

So like you use rifts with Athena to deflect and then you do most of your damage off special

[brisk trench]

Wait does the spin deflect?

[solid hazel]

I tried it... It was hard to build honestly

[frozen dock]

i use either chill or hungover for guan yu attack and artemis for special

[solid hazel]

Yeah the rifts deflect

[brisk trench]

Spicy

[frozen dock]

also athena dash>everything

[solid hazel]

It could be really strong, but I had trouble getting all the boons in a build

[frozen dock]

that happens

its rng

[solid hazel]

Still worth a try if you want to make gy work

[brisk trench]

Id imagine you could force it pretty quickly

Just gotta give up those epic boon chances

[solid hazel]

Lol I had pretty bad luck...

[simple sedge]

athena dash >>>>> i agree

[floral matrix]

deadly reversal sounds like a lot more work than divine dash + whatever the thing that gives deflect dmg bonus is

[solid hazel]

I took divine strike, Deadly flourish and divine dash in tarturus

[floral matrix]

yeah lol athena charm is my starting one always

[solid hazel]

And saw 0 Artemis or Athena for the rest of the run

I was honstly surprised my luck was that bad

[brisk trench]

I still need to do a super sweaty butterfly run

[solid hazel]

I did get charged skewer though so it saved the run

[cloud barn]

https://imgur.com/a/gApsq21

[wicked estuary]

Hello I'm new, anw Athena dash almost feel like cheating, but at the same time I can't help thinking that I've gotten so comfortable with it that I unconsciously refuse to see the potential in other alternatives

[mellow quest]

yep

athena's dash is so much stronger than everything else

tidal dash is fun but it always is like, hmm, i could instead be deflecting as i dodge, still have a bit of damage on the dash, and apply exposed as i pass through enemies for the backstab

[wicked estuary]

Managed to get a REALLY high dmg output on tidal dash yesterday, and it resulted in my best run yet (still have to beat the fb lol) but being able to deflect while you're trying to get to safety feels so much

Well safer

[timber lantern]

hangover dash is something I find myself picking up at times

pretty easy to constantly have it up on enemies

[cloud barn]

I managed to get 4 different olympian boons in tartarus without a guaranteed spawn keepsake

about the image

my internet went out right after i posted it (:

[spare flare]

@wicked estuary Don't feel bad. Divine Dash is so good that the competitive meta, not even kidding, puts no dash above all others, even Hunter Dash, simply because you retain high odds of getting Divine Dash.

[wicked estuary]

Woah dam

[spare flare]

Right?

You can at least argue for Hunter Dash in Coronacht's case.

[calm saddle]

im bout to try a 42 heat run

[wicked estuary]

Ngl in the second phase of the last battle I did think "wish I could deflect this" when he started that fire spin lmao

[calm saddle]

with demeter gloves

[lean knot]

you CAN block the lasers with the shield

[wicked estuary]

You mean aegis?

[lean knot]

yea

[wicked estuary]

Not as cool tho lol

But yeah I'm still trying to get used to that aspect of the weapon

Deflect spoiled me

[calm saddle]

42 is a weird number

[wicked estuary]

On another note, as mentioned I haven't even done a complete first run yet so I I'll probably do it all over time, but regarding mirror of the night, did you guys go all in on the "rare boons" buff, the "epic" or "legendary" first?

[frozen dock]

i just leveled up in order

[spare flare]

If you're that new, I reckon that you're in the wrong channel.

[primal hazel]

Definetly

#h1-for-new-players

[spare flare]

And I went for the legendary and duo boons one for fulfilling prophecies.

Of course, that was well after my first clear, but you know.

[cloud barn]

42 is def a weird number

[frozen dock]

i have to go for legendary/duo to get the chance to get the boons i want

[primal hazel]

Legendary and boons
Build consistency

[wicked estuary]

Lol probably

[cloud barn]

It's the answer to The Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe, and Everything after all

[delicate nimbus]

Why does the ||gilagmesh maul status|| count as a curse and the ||hades spear spin|| does not?

[spare flare]

It does?

[primal hazel]

It does

[spare flare]

Huh.

[glass kelp]

How exactly does empowering flight work with Zeus aspect?

Does it work with every tick of special damage?

[cloud barn]

once per throw

but you can spam throw and catch to get consistent buff and special damage

[vague sapphire]

I got to Hades and he's sweeps are no joke. With only Poseidon boons and zues aid. Got him down to 50 and then I was out of death defiance

[worn citrus]

Why does Demeter hate me? If I go with Authority I don't get any meaningful rerolls and don't see winter harvest despite meeting the requirements. If I go with Persuasion Demeter is quickly drowned out by the other gods and I only see her like one more time.

[cunning urchin]

Maybe she thinks you have no chill.

[worn citrus]

I have considered that as the reason

[primal hazel]

It's not quite the right season for her yet

[worn citrus]

I don't really like "farming" any particular god / build but I basically never go with enough Demeter boons with any build to happen upon winter harvest naturally and it's like the only thing I need for the prophecy on legendary boons

[cunning urchin]

Yarn of Ariadne, Refreshing Nectar, miniboss chambers, and her keepsake all give you increased chance for a Legendary or Duo Boon to appear.

Also the Favor boons from Master Chaos.

And there's the mirror talent for them.

[plain violet]

switch to the metric system

then you can demeter

[worn citrus]

Please, like I'd be caught dead using imperial

[glass kelp]

Alright, I might've been wrong about a build I was going for

I wanted a merciful end build with zeus shield, but I might have misunderstood how zeus shield works

[worn citrus]

So if those are all ways to control the rarity of the boons she offers, should I go with authority to control the rooms?

[maiden trail]

What is the current heat clear record? Anywhere that's kept track of?

[cunning urchin]

There's a pinned spreadsheet in #h1-high-heat-strategies.

[maiden trail]

Nice ,thank you.

[cunning urchin]

51 unseeded in 1.0. 54 seeded pre-1.0. And 57 fully routed pre-1.0.

[tranquil violet]

Is there a list of the base damages for each cast anywhere?

Like, on the same page and not spread out throughout the codex/wiki :p

also hm, do trove trials count as "encounters" for chaos boons?

[primal hazel]

No

[tranquil violet]

Yeah just tested it

Would have been nice

[primal hazel]

Would be too good

[pallid dagger]

im bout to smack aphrodite with a newspaper

[tranquil violet]

How do you guys rank the difficulty of the Furies?

Idk how they change with EMs

But base I'd say Tisi is the easiest followed by Meg and then Alecto

[pallid dagger]

basically what you just said

tis, meg, alecto

[tranquil violet]

What about with EM?

Still the same?

[pallid dagger]

you mean, which sister is most annoying as a partner?

[tranquil violet]

partner

[pallid dagger]

definitely tisiphone, then alecto, then meg

[tranquil violet]

This is getting out of hand

Now there are two of them

Also: what happens if say I have the first three bounties for a weapon but haven't beaten spear daddy, but do Heat 1 and then win?

Do you get two titan bloods from that? Or does it just not affect the Heat 0 bounties?

[pallid dagger]

you get a bounty for every level of heat cleared with a specific weapon
the bounties refresh for every heat level you haven't cleared, so if you go up to 1 heat from 0, you still get new bounties

[primal hazel]

Rewards are per beat level

[tranquil violet]

Right I understand that Grimmjow

[pallid dagger]

you can't get two sets of titan blood from a boss at any time.

[tranquil violet]

But it will let me do Heat 1 even when I haven't finished Heat 0

On a weapon I haven't beaten Hades with

The question is if it "falls back" rewards wise

I assume I'd just get the Heat 1 bounties

And nothing else

[plain violet]

there's no punishment for rising heat early

I've tested that

[pallid dagger]

I thiiiiiink you could go back to heat 0 and still get the missed bounties? not sure.

[plain violet]

you can do 10 heat and then get the 1 heat bounty

then the 2 heat

etc etc

[tranquil violet]

Mmk

[plain violet]

I was worried about the same thing

but it worked a-ok

[fossil moat]

anyone know the base time for bloodstones to drop?

[unkempt zephyr]

12 how i know

[primal hazel]

15 seconds

That's what the wiki says at least