h1-builds-and-combat

[hearty elbow]

Whatever level 6 is

[tranquil violet]

Dionysus Aid is probably just a bottle of vodka though

[solid hazel]

...8?

[hearty elbow]

Rare

[solid hazel]

9?

[hearty elbow]

So 9?

[half crater]

you can probably still win at low heat with just okay builds
yeah but you can win this game at low heat by setting your hands on fire and attempting to play your keyboard like a piano

[spare flare]

Is Family Favorite really much better?

[half crater]

i should know, that’s how i play

[hearty elbow]

By a whole lot

[cunning urchin]

Well, evidently it's a bottle of vodka that kills everything, I don't mind.

[solid hazel]

well I might set my keyboard on fire, but then I'm playing on controller

because it somehow proves my superiority

[cunning urchin]

Family Favorite works from chamber 1.

[frail schooner]

not if you roll hammer

[solid hazel]

I like family favorite because it keeps me from doing stupid things like taking dio or demeter dash

[tranquil violet]

If you've read any Greek mythology, being the family favorite sounds... risky

[frail schooner]

i hate demeter dash

[tranquil violet]

Zeus might turn into an animal

[frail schooner]

it’s so hard to hit with it

while also running away

[spare flare]

So what would you call the optimal Arthur build?

[frail schooner]

LOL censored by bot

[cunning urchin]

4 out of 8 gods require a t2 boon to apply a status curse.

[hearty elbow]

So what would you call the optimal Arthur build?
@spare flare Deadly Strike, Divine Dash. /done

[cunning urchin]

No.

[solid hazel]

@tranquil violet I think they want to keep the channel PC

[cunning urchin]

Heartbreak Strike, Divine Dash, Zeus' Aid, Smoldering Air.

[solid hazel]

so I probably wouldn't post something like that

[hearty elbow]

Heartbreak is for wimps. BIG THICC NUMBERS PLS

Render the dopamine unto Caesar

[solid hazel]

isn't that from Macbeth?

[cunning urchin]

@hearty elbow blocked. 🔫

[half crater]

what’s even the point of arthur if you can’t get crits

[hearty elbow]

This guy gets it

[wide plover]

you get bigger numbers with heartbreak strike and arty dash though

[cunning urchin]

The point is getting 3k+ eHP.

[wide plover]

do even dash strike bro

[frail schooner]

i wonder what the least possible number of attacks (in a range) it takes to beat the game

[obsidian mantle]

dash strike arthur build?

[frail schooner]

attack counting as call cast attack dash companion

and special

[solid hazel]

@obsidian mantle one of my friends actually ran that

[frail schooner]

anything that can do dmg

[obsidian mantle]

sounds yucky

I prefer my beefy crits

[hearty elbow]

Lol, Arthu's base crit damage on the third hit is 600 damage. No Hunter Dash is going to compensate that hard. Without trolling though, I do think Heartbreak is a fine option, they end up being quite similar in practice.

[spare flare]

Hunter Dash does sound pretty great if it applies to the combo finisher when you dash while using it.

[solid hazel]

I told him he was being stupid, but that automatically makes me a hypocrite

[cunning urchin]

No, Special doesn't count as Attack.

Boons don't work that way.

[spare flare]

If it only works on the explicit dash-attack, poo.

[frail schooner]

yes and neither does call or cast lol

[solid portal]

hey @cunning urchin how are you always here?

[frail schooner]

What weapon would you even want for that though

.... Hestia?

[hearty elbow]

And the higher heat you go, the more you need Smoldering Air to not actually have to use Arthur

[mighty ermine]

anyone else just find it funny that alecto just stumbles into her own traps all the time? like, she has her own personal torture chamber for shades and she just frequently goofs up and spikes herself

[frail schooner]

Real pros use smoldering air with aphro call and kill bosses exclusively using friendly fire

[half crater]

ikr

[hearty elbow]

She's projecting when she calls you Trash God

[solid hazel]

I find eveything alecto does oddly cute

it reminds me of all the bad relationships I'e had in my life

[half crater]

alecto is great

[frail schooner]

PERMA-RAGED!!!

[half crater]

i ship her with theseus to a concerning degree

[hearty elbow]

I don't know how her Rage mechanic works, and at this point I'm afraid to ask.

[solid hazel]

theseus isn't into that species man

[frail schooner]

i ship zagreus with asterius

[half crater]

imagine not just shipping zag with everyone

[spare flare]

#h1-discussion

[solid hazel]

I ship Zagreus with...heartbreak strike

[frail schooner]

is charm the only status that can only be inflicted in one way

[solid hazel]

there happy? we talking builds now

[half crater]

re: rage, lol i thought that was just me

[solid hazel]

there's two ways for charm right? aphro aid and unhealth fixation

[frail schooner]

tbh i always wondered what the rage meter actually does in a concrete sense

[spare flare]

So, @cunning urchin, would the special boon matter at all in that build?

[mighty ermine]

it pretty much just speeds up or slightly changes the timing of some of her attacks, and only builds when she's doing the standstill radial bullets thing

other than PERMA RAGE

[cunning urchin]

In what build?

[frail schooner]

it’s not like the rage meter ever goes down so “perma rage” seems like an odd name

[solid hazel]

it could do absolutely nothing and the placebo effect would still make me scared

[mighty ermine]

it does, though, i think

just very slowly

[hearty elbow]

it could do absolutely nothing and the placebo effect would still make me scared
@solid hazel 10000% this

[spare flare]

Heartbreak Strike, Divine Dash, Zeus's Aid, Undisputed Most Broken Duo Boon.

[hearty elbow]

THE BAR IS INCREASING KILL IT WITH FIRE

[mighty ermine]

NO NOW SHE'S SUPER ANGRY

[solid hazel]

technicalyl might be a "nocebo" effect

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, no, your Special doesn't really matter lol.

I like Divine Flourish, though.

[solid hazel]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nocebo

[half crater]

be funny if filling the bar made her fight worse

[lethal chasm]

@solid hazel the legendary w chance to charm on weak not sure if thats the one u listed

[spare flare]

Same. Works really nicely when your hammers give you crummy options plus Double Nova.

[lethal chasm]

i just had it on a build, wiild

[solid hazel]

yeah unhealthy fixation is the legendary,

[lethal chasm]

absolutely crazy w bow rapid fire

[frail schooner]

oh i must have forgotten that one

[cunning urchin]

Enraged is just 0.8x delay between attacks for bosses. No idea if Alecto's works the same, though.

[hearty elbow]

The biggest challenge with Alecto is sometimes the blade rifts are where I want to be to damage her and I don't respect her enough as a threat to not run into them

[lethal chasm]

lmao

indeed

[solid hazel]

which fury is causes the smoke screen?

alecto?

[frail schooner]

mmmmurdererrrr

[solid hazel]

or am I just like going blind from fear

[mighty ermine]

i know a lot of people list meg as their hardest fury, but i think it's still alecto for me, with tis being easiest

[solid hazel]

I find alecto the hardest for sure

meg easiest

[hearty elbow]

I have some bad days where I lose to Tisiphone and my Shame bar increases

[cunning urchin]

Alecto is the easiest for me.

[solid hazel]

lol see we all agree

[half crater]

half of Alecto’s attacks are just the Meg attacks but easier

[spare flare]

Thr first Tisiphone fight was nuts.

[stark ore]

Tiso can be cheesed really easily with deflecting boons, Alecto's pseudo-blade rifts get me a ton though

[hearty elbow]

Oh I was so scared the first time I fought her lol.

[solid hazel]

it's probably just the fear that does it

[spare flare]

Gah.

[hearty elbow]

Proxy on a roll tonight. None of you are free of sin.

[frail schooner]

why would we be in hell if we were

[solid hazel]

well...that would make us boring

[spare flare]

That's not how that works . . .

[solid hazel]

the first time I fought em4 hades...I said "It's dark and I'm scared"

[cunning urchin]

Just for reference by the way, putting Heartbreak Strike on Excalibur is effectively +71% max HP within your Holy Aura. Assuming you applied Weak, anyway.

[solid hazel]

to nobody in particular

[spare flare]

Didn't know poop. Was on run, like, 8. Ill-equipped, of course.

[solid hazel]

does empty inside get calculated additive with weak?

[hearty elbow]

What

[spare flare]

Yes.

[hearty elbow]

Do you mean Broken Resolve?

[solid hazel]

umm probably haha

I just make up names and hope nobody notices

[spare flare]

Yeah, I undermeant what you stood.

[half crater]

all these name are so hard to remember lol

[frail schooner]

does anyone actually like the boon that gets rid of chill debuff when it gets 10 stacks

[half crater]

heartbreak strike? sure, easy

[hearty elbow]

I have picked it probably like 30 times at this point and I still do not know what the Dio/Artemis duo boon is called off the top of my ehad.

[mellow quest]

210% damage heroic tempest flourish on twin fists w/ the kick hammer

twin kicks of malphon

[solid hazel]

splitting headache!

[cunning urchin]

Getting Lady Aphrodite's boons wrong.

[hearty elbow]

I'm looking it up for the 100th time as we speak

[mighty ermine]

arctic blast is great on stuff like chiron or serrated point spear

[cunning urchin]

Wow.

[solid hazel]

i'm familair with that one

[mighty ermine]

splitting headache ledger

[cunning urchin]

Blocked. 🔫

[frail schooner]

i just really like the chill debuff

[stark ore]

does anyone actually like the boon that gets rid of chill debuff when it gets 10 stacks
Really only take that if I'm running fists or hidden rail, otherwise it's a pass

[hearty elbow]

May as well be a voidfish whispering things in my ear.

[solid hazel]

they talk?

[cunning urchin]

@mighty ermine I was about to type "Curse of . . . "

Shows you what I know.

[mighty ermine]

lol

[solid hazel]

curse of vodka

[half crater]

curse of headache

[frail schooner]

vodka is a curse

[mighty ermine]

curse of... crit juice

[half crater]

that’s it pretty sure

[solid hazel]

curse of poor decision making

[cunning urchin]

Why isn't Curse of Hangover.

[mellow quest]

curse of 5 meta upgrade rooms in a row despite having dark foresight

[hearty elbow]

I usually just refer to the Dio/Artemis duo whose name is unknowable as Scintillating Feast.

[cunning urchin]

That would be so much simpler.

[stark ore]

I usually just refer to the Dio/Artemis duo whose name is unknowable as Scintillating Feast.
It's Splitting Headache

[solid hazel]

that's too short you should spell out dio's name

[half crater]

wait, what

[spare flare]

@frail schooner Yes, absolutely. When I constantly have tons of frost stacks being applied by the revenge effect (thanks to the Zeus and Ares duo), Frost Strike on Exagryph, and Demeter's Aid, I'll take a billion damage and permaslow over just permaslow.

[mighty ermine]

no it's curse of critical hits

[half crater]

why scintillating feast lmao

[hearty elbow]

I don't know lol. It's the name my brain assigns to that concept every time and blocks out all other things

[cunning urchin]

Critical Hangover.

There.

[solid hazel]

I don't think the phrase scintillating feast has ever been uttered before Hades

[half crater]

maybe they should all just be curses

[solid hazel]

I wonder who came up with that and what they were smoking

[half crater]

curse of scintillation

[frail schooner]

is the poseidon fishing boon a real boon

[half crater]

curse of mercifulness

[hearty elbow]

Define real

[frail schooner]

i only saw it once ever during the quest

[mellow quest]

yes because it sells for 405 gold

[frail schooner]

can you get it in the actual game

[mighty ermine]

curse of ice wine

[hearty elbow]

Lol, you could view it as a much better Sunken Treasure

[cunning urchin]

@mighty ermine I also read Dio/Ares for some reason apparently. That would explain why my "Curse of . . ." was so very wrong lol.

[hearty elbow]

Yes

[spare flare]

Neither "scintillating," nor "feast" is a particularly abnormal word . . .

[stark ore]

Scintillating Feast -> Floridian Curse

[solid hazel]

yeah but what does it even mean together...

like my food is rarely shiney

[half crater]

ah, yes, scintillating

[spare flare]

That's not what "scintillating" means.

[half crater]

a standard word i use every day

[hearty elbow]

If anyone ever described a meal as a "Scintillating Feast" I'd probably report on /r/iamverysmart

[mighty ermine]

curse is officially ares' word, it's his

[solid hazel]

lol I blame 2 am

[mellow quest]

curse of stubbed toe

[solid hazel]

uhh that is what scintillating means...

[mighty ermine]

curse of proxybot

[spare flare]

So, in that Arthur build, I could theoretically grab Thunder Flourish and a better Aid, no?

[hearty elbow]

Yeah

[cunning urchin]

: brilliantly lively, stimulating, or witty

[mellow quest]

did you know that doom does its damage by stubbing all the victim's toes at once, while also making them experience what it's like to have their fingers pinched in a door

[half crater]

yeah you can absolutely have a scintillating feast

had anyone ever said that phrase before this game came out?

nope

but it’s grammatically correct

[solid hazel]

"sparkling or shining brightly" is the first google result...also it confirms my previous bias, so I believe it

[mighty ermine]

turns out red magic swords that fall from above actually hurt

and they hurt even more if they take longer to fall

[hearty elbow]

It'd be like referring to Coke as "Sparkling Brown Wine"

[spare flare]

And if you attempt to bring more of them while one's still falling.

[mighty ermine]

also true

and athena can just force the swords down immediately

[spare flare]

As is her prerogative.

[cunning urchin]

and they hurt even more if they take longer to fall
That's because they're heavier, so they fall slower but hurt more.

[hearty elbow]

#physics

[solid hazel]

hmm checks out

[cunning urchin]

That is how heavy objects work.

[spare flare]

Heavier things fall more slowly.

[cunning urchin]

Correct.

[hearty elbow]

The monster math has resolved.

[mighty ermine]

#genius hours

[solid hazel]

I'm a physician, so i know physics

[half crater]

some big brain math going on in here

[spare flare]

Bill Nye the Science Guy physics, right here.

[cunning urchin]

I've got an A in physics myself.

[half crater]

there’s no a in physics

[mighty ermine]

pff not an S rank

[solid hazel]

they didn't give out SSS rank at your school?

[spare flare]

Low-tier English.

[cunning urchin]

No. They give out grades from 1 to 6 lol.

[still vigil]

late to the party discovery: double shot on rama chunks

[spare flare]

Speaking of English, this game's ? key is broken.

[mighty ermine]

oh does it ever chunk

[spare flare]

This bothers some of us greatly.

[solid hazel]

@spare flare I have no idea what that means

[hearty elbow]

Those month old sour milk chunks

[half crater]

? key?

what on earth are you using ? for

[hearty elbow]

¿

[mellow quest]

explosive shot rama

[spare flare]

Like, 40% of Hades's sentences are questions. Maybe 10% have question marks.

[half crater]

surely you haven’t got some bizarre custom keybinding that involves ?

[cunning urchin]

If SSS rank was a thing, SS rank would be a thing, and SS in Germany would be a bit of a problem . . .

[mighty ermine]

oh i know what you mean actually

i've noticed that before too

[hearty elbow]

explosive shot rama
@mellow quest I like it. It's very nostalgic for me from like 100 hours spent in BLood Price lol.

[solid hazel]

umm you coul;d just skip it, kinda like how they skip the 13th floor in some old buildings

[mellow quest]

lmao

[half crater]

it’s because they’re rhetorical

[spare flare]

It's actually really distracting, at times.

[still vigil]

ill try out explosive shot rama some day

[solid hazel]

I had triple shot explosive shot

[mighty ermine]

yeah, i think it's still intentional due to being rhetorical

[still vigil]

in the meantime imma try getting twin shot and point blank

[spare flare]

I know how rhetorical questions work. You don't change a sentence's punctuation according to rhetorical technique.

[solid hazel]

was slowest charge ever,, but who cares when you're point blank

[hearty elbow]

Triple Explosive was my jam, yeah what's a "Charge"

pff

[mighty ermine]

might just be greg's writing style, i dunno lol

[spare flare]

And no, it's not just with rhetorical questions, either.

[solid hazel]

I got a super good run then, triple shot explosive and fully loaded hera bow with crush shot

[spare flare]

They just flat-out use periods where they should use question marks.

[hearty elbow]

Oh, I thought you were referring to Rama lol. Triple Explosive is a lot less spicy without free damage multipliers

[mighty ermine]

that's correct punctuation in the underworld, you see

solved

[cunning urchin]

There are question marks when the VAs are supposed to raise the pitch of their voice at the end of the question and periods when they don't.

[half crater]

I know how rhetorical questions work. You don't change a sentence's punctuation according to rhetorical technique.
@spare flare you can; it isn’t technically grammatical but grammatical rules are designed to aid communication, and if someone feels a sentence’s tone would be better conveyed with no question mark that’s a valid artistic/communicative choice

[solid hazel]

I have never heard of that, but it was stated with confidence so I believe it

[mighty ermine]

hades builds and grammar combat

[hearty elbow]

I pictured token anime encyclopedia side character moving their glasses up the bridge of their nose and the reflection shining off of them

[spare flare]

No, it's not valid. The fact that a bunch of people do it doesn't make it an acceptable writing style, no matter how many Chicagans you get to say elsewise.

[half crater]

lmao

[mighty ermine]

i take offense as a chicagoan

[half crater]

ah yes, because language is set in stone and never changes

[solid hazel]

it we're gonna get technically, eventually if enough people do it, it starts to become "correct"

[cunning urchin]

They sold over a million copies, I think it's accepted lol.

[spare flare]

Yeah, okay, sure, whatever. Don't bother taking any criticism. Cool.

[solid hazel]

I mean how many people here say "steep learning curve" to mean hard to learn?

cuz in any way you could possibly plot a learning curve "steep" is easy to learn

and eventually it's just accepted vernacular

[hearty elbow]

I think I generally interpret "Steep learning curve" as difficult to learn with the assumption that the peak is worthwhile. Hard to learn + low ceiling is just bad.

[spare flare]

Hey, what do I know? I just have been tutoring, proofreading, and teaching for about 15 years and learned under a leading authority on MLA format.

Back to builds, do you think that Guan Yu builds should be similar to Arthur?

[hearty elbow]

Are we really getting into linguistic prescriptivism in here?

[half crater]

apparently lol

[solid hazel]

well we were about to pivot away until you brought back up @hearty elbow

[mighty ermine]

how about those builds and combat y'all

[half crater]

yesyes

[spare flare]

Hey, y'all were the ones that got defensive because your game can't possibly have something wrong in it or something.

[half crater]

someone mention a build and/or combat, quick

[solid hazel]

nemesis

[spare flare]

So yeah, let's get back to build talk.

[mighty ermine]

it's not my game, it's supergiant's, but ok

[cunning urchin]

I think you're projecting.

[solid hazel]

heart break strike right?

[still vigil]

i think chaos shield sucks

[cunning urchin]

Heartbreak Flourish on Guan Yu, yes.

[half crater]

i think chaos shield sucks
@still vigil great! i disagree!

let’s talk about that now lol

[frosty jolt]

Literally nobody said that haha
Isn't Athena's dash great tho,

[hearty elbow]

I was bored in Youtube and saw Jawless Paul's aspect tier lists, I guess I was feeling masochistic

[still vigil]

fighting words i see @half crater

[mighty ermine]

why would you subject yourself to that ledger

[solid hazel]

I see a lot of guides about hades that just grind my gears

[spare flare]

@cunning urchin Same build as Arthur, then?

[hearty elbow]

I don't know, sometimes the salt comes to me and other times I seek the salt.

[half crater]

chaos is still like, the safest weapon in the game

[solid hazel]

one youtuber said damage reduction get diminishing returns because it's multiplicative so the DR value goes down

[cunning urchin]

Essentially. Just with Heartbreak Flourish instead of Heartbreak Strike.

[half crater]

if you wanna not deal damage and just be safe, it’s great

[still vigil]

it just feels bad. i lack the perception to see the praise it receives

[hearty elbow]

one youtuber said damage reduction get diminishing returns because it's multiplicative so the DR value goes down
@solid hazel ... That's true though

[solid hazel]

I was about to write a stupidly long rant about eHP, but then I just decided it wasn't worth it

[still vigil]

so someone please show me the way

[half crater]

a lot of people dislike it these days

[solid hazel]

but eHP is not diminishing

[half crater]

90% of the praise was pre nerf

[mighty ermine]

chaos shield doesn't receive a ton of praise in 1.0 though

[solid hazel]

and who cares about DR, eHP is the correct measure

[half crater]

the other 10% is mostly me lol

[cunning urchin]

@solid hazel I do.

🔫

[spare flare]

What about the hidden aspect?

[hearty elbow]

Right, but DR does have diminishing returns the more DR sources you get since it interacts multiplicatively with itself

[spare flare]

-which, for some reason, is still not getting unlocked for me.

[cunning urchin]

Hidden aspect of what?

[solid hazel]

I mean, yes he is technically true, but his conclusion is wrong

[spare flare]

Aegis.

[mighty ermine]

i agree with the assessment that it's generally safe and effective for normal stuff, but it now struggles with doing many impressive things damage-wise

[solid hazel]

his conclusion is you should only get one or two DR because diminishing returns

but the metric he is using is completely wrong

[half crater]

oh absolutely

[cunning urchin]

but it now struggles with doing many impressive things damage-wise
Well, Chaos Aspect always struggled with damage.

[half crater]

^

[still vigil]

i did not know rama also shares knockback damage

[hearty elbow]

Lol, just saying, if you have Heartbreak Strike on Arthur, that normally worthless Bronze Skin is looking somehow much much worse.

[mighty ermine]

i dunno if i would put it like that; thunder flourish stuff was respectable

but now you can't even do that

to the same degree anyway

[solid hazel]

in terms of eHP its better than if you didn't have any DR

[half crater]

thunder flourish still works

it is worse tho, yeah

[solid hazel]

now is that useful? it depends how much eHP you need

[still vigil]

also what's eHP

[mighty ermine]

not too well because of internal bolt cooldown

[solid hazel]

effective HP

[mighty ermine]

and the shotgun fan

[hearty elbow]

electronic hit points

[still vigil]

difference b/w hp and eHP?

[solid hazel]

how much unmitigated damage you can take before you die

so with damage reduction and dodge, the damage you take is not equal to the amount of HP you lose

eHP tries to correct for that

well it doesn' try, it just does

[still vigil]

icic

[solid hazel]

HP/(1-totalDR)

but DR interacts multiplicatively in Hades

[frail schooner]

that’s why second wind is op

+42% ehp

[half crater]

yeah; i mean, i’m certainly not going to argue chaos has good damage

[frail schooner]

(with smoldering air)

[hearty elbow]

eHP in Hades is kind of a moving target in general, with stuff like Acorn and Divine Protection

[cunning urchin]

A rare Bronze Skin is worth around +20% HP if you have Weak + Holy Aura.

[hearty elbow]

How do you figure?

[solid hazel]

if you have 100 HP, bronze skin makes your eHP 100/(1-0.1) = 111

[still vigil]

@~@?

[frail schooner]

how does different league work

[cunning urchin]

1/(.6*.7*.925) - 1/(.6*.7) = .19

[frail schooner]

what counts as nearby

[cunning urchin]

For rare Bronze Skin.

[solid hazel]

if you have weak and holy aura already and eHP your max HP is 100/((1-0.4)*(1-0.3))=100/(0.42)=238

[hearty elbow]

1 x .6 x.7 = .42
1 x .6 x .7 x .925 = .38

If I'm interpreting this right then Bronze Skin rare (7.5) will be saving you 4 damage per 100 you take with Weak + Holy Aura

[cunning urchin]

@frail schooner anything within 400 units.

[frail schooner]

how big is that

[solid hazel]

if you add bronze skin on top of weak and holy aura your eHP is gonna be 100/((1-0.4)*(1-0.3)(1-0.1))=100/(0.378) = 264

so in the first case bronze skin add 11 eHp

in the second it added 264-238 = 26 eHP

so bronze skin was actually better the more DR you already had

that's why I say there's no diminishin returns

[cunning urchin]

1/(.6*.7*.925) - 1/(.6*.7) = .19

[solid hazel]

uhh I accidently used epic bronze skin though...not rare

but the point is still the same

[cunning urchin]

eHP mod w/ Bronze Skin – ehp mod w/o Bronze Skin

[still vigil]

ive never hit 1.4k on a normal attack on rama before so that's cool to discover

[cunning urchin]

1/.925 = 1.08

That's just Bronze Skin.

[mighty ermine]

welcome to rama chunk chronicles

[still vigil]

also thank yall fer explainin eHP

poseidon might be my fave boon on rama attack due to the pushback it has'

[spare flare]

Thunder Flourish seemed to work really well in my blind run of Rama. Thoughts?

[solid hazel]

sure np...it's a common mistake in theory crafting

[spare flare]

What would work better?

[mighty ermine]

poseidon is unfortunately the worst of the +% on attack, rama prefers stuff like heartbreak or deadly strike, sometimes divine or frost

also yeah thunder flourish works fine on special as a supplement

same with dio

[cunning urchin]

@frail schooner Crush Shot has a range of 300 if that helps.

Oh, the Exagryph Special has a radius of 400.

So exactly that radius.

[solid hazel]

@hearty elbow your interpretation is correct but 4 damage is not the same everywhere

[still vigil]

i dun doubt ya, but this twin shot with poseidon pushes back even bosses

[hearty elbow]

that's why I say there's no diminishin returns
@solid hazel Hmm, okay, this makes sense

[solid hazel]

like if DR was the right metric

[frail schooner]

wow that is really tiny then

[solid hazel]

that means going from 0% to 1% DR is as valuable as going from 99 to 100% DR

clearly the second case gives you infinite eHP whereas the first case does almost nothing

[tranquil violet]

Discovery:

If youre gonna do a spin build on Guan Yu

Then the Artemis boon that adds seeker shots per hit is actually quite good

[frail schooner]

try that with aspect of zeus

you’ll have some fun and you’ll have double the hp

[tranquil violet]

Ah do chain lightning effects proc it?

Nice

[cunning urchin]

If youre gonna do a spin build on Gu—
Stopped reading there.

[hearty elbow]

that means going from 0% to 1% DR is as valuable as going from 99 to 100% DR
@solid hazel In this example though, it matters if the source is the same or a secondary source of 1%. If it's secondary, you would be preventing 1% of 1% of damage taken

[solid hazel]

do a spin build in Gunnbound

[frail schooner]

@tranquil violet no. aspect of zeus

the blitz disc

[tranquil violet]

Ahh

[still vigil]

...is a spin build possible on guan yu?

[tranquil violet]

So do you never get Duo boons from trials?

[cunning urchin]

It is possible and viable, yes.

[mighty ermine]

it is possible

[frail schooner]

i think i just got one

[tranquil violet]

@still vigil yes? It has a special hammer even

[hearty elbow]

As long as they aren't the pair represented in the trial

[frail schooner]

in my most recent run

[solid hazel]

well I just mean DR is a bad metric to look at because it doesn't scale linearly with eHP

[spare flare]

Never duo boons of the two that are in conflict.

[solid hazel]

eHP is good cuz that means you can get hit a lot more

[tranquil violet]

Winged Serpent makes the spin go 80% further

[spare flare]

Plenty of times, duos of others.

[tranquil violet]

Which with a dashed spin attack is most of the screen

[solid hazel]

DR is almost meaningless there's no prize for reducing the most damage

[cunning urchin]

Ideally, spin builds have Divine Strike, but Frost Strike can also work very well.

[solid hazel]

well not meaningless but...like the wrong number to look at really

[tranquil violet]

has divine with Aphrodite strike

Well

Welp*

I'm pretty much all in with Aphrodite attacks and every Artemis crit boost under the sun

Winged Serpent and Charged Shot

And Divine Dash

[solid hazel]

ehh if I'm not explaining this clearly @cunning urchin well

will*

she got a A in physics

[mighty ermine]

winged serpent is usually not great anyways though, since it'll typically whiz right by any foes that move at all

quick and massive are usually better for GY spin builds

[cunning urchin]

an A*

[solid hazel]

I don't English good

[cunning urchin]

I've noticed.

[solid hazel]

my word knowing is small

[still vigil]

o.o

[tranquil violet]

Yeah I mostly just wanted to check it off my list of things I've tried haha

[still vigil]

ig ill try that

also em4 sneaks are disgusting

[hearty elbow]

@solid hazel Out of curiosity, how would you calculate eHP from dodge in the scenario where say, you have 100 HP, and you expect incoming hits to be 10000 damage. From one standpoint, 10% dodge should be equivalent to 10% damage reduction, but whereas 10% DR would make your EHP 110, 10% dodge has the potential to increase your eHP scaled against the incoming hits. So averaging (.1 * 10000) = 1000 damage prevented on average per hit, so your eHP would be?

[solid hazel]

actually DR and dodge chance are gonna basically be equivalent

although with dodge there is variance involved now

but in the aggregate, you put them in the formula the same way

[mighty ermine]

EM4 sneaks are awful and only get even more awful if you're melee

[solid hazel]

so it would still be the same...your eHP would be 100/(1-0.1) so your eHP is 111

[still vigil]

cries in point blank rama

[solid hazel]

on average you woul survive zero 100000 damage attacks

[hearty elbow]

Even though in practice, 10% of the time you will have an eHP of 11000

[cunning urchin]

eHP doesn't account for variance.

[solid hazel]

right that's why it's in the aggregate

it works really well when the damage you are taking is much smaller than your eHP

but when the damage you take is same order of magnitude or larger...the model kinda breaks down

[hearty elbow]

I see, thanks, that makes sense.

It's not relvenat for Hades but that kind of math is very common in, say ARPGs

[solid portal]

how much blood do you have to invest in chiron to make it good?

[solid hazel]

glad my education was useful for something haha

[hearty elbow]

how much blood do you have to invest in chiron to make it good?
@solid portal All of it

[solid portal]

really huh

damn

well not ready to make that investment

[solid hazel]

at low heat I was fine with it at level 3

it's just not amazing...but it's still usable

[hearty elbow]

I mean, Zag sword is strictly usable. Everyone had to use it at some point

[solid hazel]

only need 6/15 or 7/16 titan blood to get most of them to lvl 3, so it's kinda economical

[solid portal]

thats a good point

I needs to be better than base bow

it*

usable vs better than base in other words need usable

errr excuse me

better than bas e lolol

it's late here

[cunning urchin]

Ultimately, what you really want to know is how many attacks you can take on average and what the variance is. eHP is a shortcut, but it's one that tells you much more than DR or dodge chance would.

[solid hazel]

that's true, but eHP is way simpler model

because to calculate average number of attacks you'd take, you woul dneed to know the distribution and magnitude of each attack

which is...much harder to estimate

[still vigil]

stygian or infernal soul if im aimin fer demeter cast build?

[robust anchor]

the reload over time one

[solid hazel]

...depends?

[hearty elbow]

Demeter cast is better with Infernal up until the point you get Glacial Glare

[solid hazel]

I think infernal is the easiest to play, but stygian might be mathematically better

but it's a lot harder to remember to cast 1 every 3 seconds than it is to mash circle

[hearty elbow]

At which point Stygian Soul scales more or less indefinitely with poms into that boon, or with extra casts obv

[solid hazel]

picking up the bloodstones though is also a pain

[cunning urchin]

Stygian Soul lets you cast more often over time.

[solid hazel]

which costs time

[cunning urchin]

Unless the cast lodges into enemies that die quickly, then Infernal Soul always wins.

[still vigil]

guess im about to find out

[solid hazel]

but again it's a super complicated question because it depends on how good you are at placing it to hit the enemy

like is casting 3 at once more likely to hit the enemy or is casting 1 every 3 seconds more likely to hit

or just get get crystal clarity and then stygian is absolutely better

[cunning urchin]

Getting at least +1 ammo is super easy, anyway.

[solid hazel]

chaos hates me...

several runs I just resort to charon wells...

[cunning urchin]

That will put Stygian Soul even farther ahead.

[solid hazel]

I spend 3 fated authority and chaos just says...oh you wanted an epic backstab damage

on your hera stygian bow run

technically lvl 5 hera could outdamage stygian I think...but if you include pick up time for the blood stones it looks unlikely

cuz hera with infernal is 3 every 5 seconds, and stygian is 1 every 3 seconds

but you gotta dash in and pick up your bloodstones...

[robust anchor]

@prisma osprey yes i do a lot. i always keep track of how much 30% of my max hp is. if im at less than that, i try to die by enemy, or if there is lava or eggs those are way safer

i didnt wanna clutter boast channel

also sneaky tech, if you lose the SD and get the athena boon that gives back one, you will hold 2 SD

[solid hazel]

can only do that once right?

you can't hold 3 SD if you get both athena boons

[robust anchor]

idk i never got that before

[solid hazel]

well I'm not gonna be running SD ever probably haha

I'm gonna wuss out way before it's better than DD

[half crater]

i think you actually can do it twice

but grain of salt me on this, as i've never seen it personally

[solid hazel]

isn't there an Ares boon that gives one back also, so if that's true you could hold 4?

[half crater]

there isn't an ares boon, but there is a chaos boon

[solid hazel]

oh no he doesn't give one back

[half crater]

it just straight up gives you an extra one, rather than filling an empty slot, so it would absolutely work

[solid hazel]

selfish war god...

[half crater]

also tooth still works, so in theory you could have 5

pretty unlikely ofc lol

[solid hazel]

the thing is the text says "restore 1" for athena boons

so i think it implies you need an empty slot to get it

[half crater]

yeah

when you're in an athena room, the strat is to lose your SD on purpose so that you can fill it with the boon

[hearty elbow]

It still leads to feelbad moments for lots of players I assume

[half crater]

for sure

i think the first time i saw one of them i didn't read it properly and was just like "neat extra DD! instapick!"

and then it didn't do anything lol

[solid hazel]

I guess tooth actually might be better with SD huh...

I thought it was just a trap for noobs

[half crater]

how so?

[solid hazel]

it restores less HP than cerberus most of the time

[prisma osprey]

also sneaky tech, if you lose the SD and get the athena boon that gives back one, you will hold 2 SD
@robust anchor
That is insane, I like it!

[half crater]

oh, i meant how would it be better with SD

i feel like its strictly worse than acorn for both options

[tranquil violet]

Alrighty

[solid hazel]

oh cuz, the flat 100 might be better since SD restores only 30% instead of 50% of your health

[solid portal]

murrrrr derrrrr hhhhherrrr ddddddeeeerrrrrr

[tranquil violet]

Time for Hades attempt #2

[solid hazel]

and you don't usually have as many SD as DD

[tranquil violet]

With this weird ass build

[half crater]

acorn's still gonna block than a hundred

[solid hazel]

oh yeah...when I said better...I didn't mean better than acorn haha

I mean better than on DD

[half crater]

fair enough

[tranquil violet]

It's GY, Aphrodite attacks, Artemis crits out the wazoo and Artemis call, and some Zeus boons that boost call damage and give you buffs after calling

[solid hazel]

although acorn can be garbage when those butterfly souls show up

[tranquil violet]

Styx was easy as I can heal immensely in every room

[half crater]

oof yeah

[tranquil violet]

Also charged shot and winged serpent

And Athena dash obv

[solid hazel]

nice win @tranquil violet

[tranquil violet]

Maximum caution mode

Haven't won yet haha

[solid hazel]

oh well. you will

gl

I'm gonna bed

[tranquil violet]

But basically this build is: heal and survive, occasionally burst with Arty crits

Otherwise spam specials

Oh and I have a chaos boon on special so it's nice and chunky

[solid portal]

I love acorn for final battle

[tranquil violet]

Oh and support fire

[solid hazel]

it is generally considered the best defensive keepsake for EM3 and EM4

[tranquil violet]

Which goes pretty nicely with GY and winged serpent

Lots of crit spam

[solid hazel]

but pom blossom is the alpha choice

nothing more alpha than a flower you got from your mommy

[solid portal]

remember ||phase 2|| you don't ahve to deal with adds but he has omni laser so stay close to something that will block that ish

[tranquil violet]

Last (first) time I tried hades I had an OP Zeus/Poseidon Achilles cast build

So I didn't pay any attention to patterns

I just nuked stuff but died anyways

[lethal chasm]

poseidon/demeter achilles gets me biggest hits

5k cast ez

more w 2nd proj which i just had

barely need to pay attn to patterns lolo

[tranquil violet]

Poseidon Cast Achilles is silly

But very strong

[lethal chasm]

poseidon demeter duo

blizz shot

insanity

[tranquil violet]

I did not win

Whoops

[solid portal]

Thats ok, it will make when you do win that much better

I was in the same boat 3 days ago

[tranquil violet]

Would have been nice if I had defiances left

Welp

[solid portal]

yea

at least 1

Today was my first win with all 4 dd

well 3 and tooth

from now on I think I'm going acorn

[calm kayak]

Aspect of Demeter + Rush kick are good together, or are they an anti-synergy?

[solid portal]

Honestly it's the poison rats I hate most

[tranquil violet]

Well I at least got the prophecy for Guan Yu to the surface

[solid portal]

good night all, happy hunting

[tranquil violet]

Ambrosia is nice

Because I can trade it for better things 😂

[jade rover]

Hearing "ga dong" from your butterfly after EM2 feels way better than it should

it's funny because my actual efficiency with that keepsake this run is piss.

[empty prairie]

I'm convinced that I'll finish heat 100000 with ever other weapon before I finish heat 10 with spear.

[lethal chasm]

just uh

play achilles and... yeah most builds?

idk i havent got past 10 heat but im going 1 by 1 up lol

everytime i play achilles i delete harder than other builds stronk rng

well first run of chiron today beat my best speed run(achilles) by 4 mins

on highest(8) heat

havent played bow much but it was first wep i was able to beat game w

[opal lodge]

what aspects do you go for on achilles

i dont use it much and just started investing titan blood into it

[lethal chasm]

achilles is the aspect ;p

its mostly a cast based aspect i like zeus ares poseidon cast

zeus achilles is extremely solid i think ive heard haelian say its the most solid starter

demeter cast is underrated imo aswell

esp if you get the x chill

which you should be able to

[tranquil violet]

Fated authority or persuasion :/?

[soft pine]

I usually run persuasion, using deity keepsakes is usually sufficient to get me the boons I need, and reroll is great for getting what you need

[tranquil violet]

Well because I lack darkness and on account of cost I went with two levels of authority

Can always respec it later now that keys are basically useless except for respeccing the mirror and trading?

And now I have one new aspect per weapon 🙂

Poseidon, Achilles/Guan Yu, Chaos, Hera, Demeter, Eris

Demeter seems fun

[lethal chasm]

demeter is insane i hated it at first prob my fav now?

hera gr8 fun as well

eris is stupid op

achilles great aswell ofc

[empty prairie]

Hmm. Aphrodite or Dio on Beowulf?

[lethal chasm]

dio

stun and go for demeter duo

[tranquil violet]

Demeter? I hardly know'er.

I'll be here all week.

[glass rapids]

I don't think ice wine works with Beo

[lethal chasm]

99.9% sure ive done it

[limber flax]

best zag aspect?

[lethal chasm]

no clue. i think ppl like bow?

whichever one has crit lol

dont use the zags personally

ice wine def works w beo have done it, was best beo run i did

[limber flax]

im just thinking cause im low on blood

[lethal chasm]

yee i just maxed out chiron and chaos shield today lol

wanna try out hades and hestia tho

[limber flax]

and now chiron gets nerfed

:(

[lethal chasm]

rly/

?

[limber flax]

its in test branch rn

bow special nerf

[lethal chasm]

i can see why my first run w it was by far my fastest

[soft pine]

whats the nerf?

[lethal chasm]

just did first run w it today shaved 4 mins off my fastest time

[limber flax]

like 1/3 less dmg on special or smth

iirc

[lethal chasm]

jeezz

[limber flax]

yes

[lethal chasm]

rip bow besides hera/rama lol

[soft pine]

meh, I rarely boost chiron damage, usually go hangover or doom stack

[lethal chasm]

mann

i had a crit/weakness build earlier

[limber flax]

i love chiron so much

[lethal chasm]

w +3 arrows

[limber flax]

my favorite bow

and now this

[lethal chasm]

so many numbers

[barren otter]

I don't think ice wine works with Beo
It does. I've had it in 1.0 https://discordapp.com/channels/456889434672201729/725021639506526249/757231497643032586

[lethal chasm]

ye it was one of my strongest builds if i remember correctly

[glass rapids]

Regarless I think it's better to have a cast that drops automatically

So you can keep spamming bull rush

[lavish tinsel]

chiron + hammer upgrade for extra special shots + demeter special + demeter thing that makes people go bang when they get a full stack of cold = god tier

melted everyone

my god

[lethal chasm]

i never pick up the stack blow up lol

[lavish tinsel]

killed asterius in like seconds

[lethal chasm]

id rather have the slow than 100 dmg

but yea w demeter

i can see why

[lavish tinsel]

i usually go debuffs

only picked it up because its memey

[empty prairie]

Arctic blast with the rail, fists and Chiron is good and fun.

[lavish tinsel]

really love chiron

[empty prairie]

It's pretty fun. I'll have to get a bunch of runs in before test branch goes live.

[limber flax]

😔

[empty prairie]

Thankfully I play on Switch so it'll probably be a while before that happens. 😎

[limber flax]

if i want to , i can download pirated old version after update goes live lol

and enjoy my chiron forever

[lean basin]

Managed to run beo with dio cast and scintilatting feast. Way too much burst damage. i also tried to get ice wine on top of that, but no luck.

[lethal chasm]

never had feast

just saw it earlier on wiki

dont take fog much tho so makes sense

[lean basin]

also got the hammer upgrade that makes bull rush a projectile. ranged burst damage

[lethal chasm]

dio is by far the least kind god to me

; (

[tranquil violet]

Fun fact: I was baptized in the Greek Orthodox Church with the name Dyonysis.

Relatively uncommon but I can claim it as my own name.

[lean basin]

Oh, that is so cool

[worn citrus]

What cast do you people generally go for when using a cast build? Like say I wanna use achilles, so I don't necessarily need my casts to lodge inside enemies like if I used poseidon.

[tranquil violet]

The Godfather of my parent's wedding (their koumbaros) daughters (they are all Greek) are named Aphroditis and Artemis

These are weird names by modern Greek standards even but hey

It's fun

@worn citrus chaos cast boon, Poseidon cast

Stack Zeus Duo

and Zeus buffs

Now watch stuff go BOOM

I'm still pretty early but I find the chaos boons to shape my runs so much

I always use egg though so they tend to be pretty extreme (epic)

+70-90% damage and such

[worn citrus]

Interesting. I always never use egg. Might be worth going for.

[tranquil violet]

I use egg until Elysium then acorn

[cunning urchin]

@limber flax you could just simply not update or ask a modder for help after the update. Easy mod.

[tranquil violet]

Or once I have two chaos boons

That's about when I call it and use something else

[stuck bobcat]

Just got double shot, perfect shot and explosive shot hammers rolled for me on Rama Bow
3,6k constant hits

I'm both excited and terrified

[limber flax]

hmmm

[tranquil violet]

@worn citrus egg is good

Chaos boons are insanely good

And egg pretty much guarantees rares and epics

[empty prairie]

Is it common for a run to only have one hammer? Because it seems to be happening to me somewhat regularly.

[tranquil violet]

And early on 3-6 rooms of restriction is basically nothing

The damage and trap damage increases are basically not even penalties

[worn citrus]

Wait, they're nerfing Chiron?

No.

[soft pine]

you should get two hammers, and if you don't have 2 when you get to the temple one of the satyr gates should be a hammer

[tranquil violet]

Yeah seems like 2 hammers per run is mostly guaranteed

[empty prairie]

@soft pine That's what I thought but I've had about 4 of my last 10 runs only have one hammer.

[tranquil violet]

Unsure if that even holds when you skip a hammer but like why would you ever skip a hammer

[stuck bobcat]

some builds doesnt need hammers

[tranquil violet]

They did my boy Hephaestus dirty

[empty prairie]

And I never skip a hammer.

[stuck bobcat]

at example Doom Gilgamesh build doesn't get anything from 70% of hammers

[cunning urchin]

@worn citrus bow Volley damage is nerfed in the current test branch build, but nothing is final yet. They might bring it back up a bit. Who knows.

[stuck bobcat]

and most of evade based ones slows the attack

[cunning urchin]

It's back to pre-1.0 damage. But the frames are still way better.

[stuck bobcat]

they could buff or change passive on hera bow
it sucks ;d

[tranquil violet]

I don't understand why someone who among people here probably dies the least has Aeris as a pfp

This may be spoilers for some but

Aeris dies

[lethal chasm]

ofc they did heph dirty, he's literally the forgotten mf in mythology lmao ironic theyd leave him out

[soft pine]

f

[tranquil violet]

Or dies the least frequently

[empty prairie]

Aeris dies? I was just getting through my backlog enough to get around to that game from 23 years ago. :/

[limber flax]

buff hera bow?

i thought its really good

[tranquil violet]

What's the worst aspect?

[empty prairie]

Guan Yu.

[tranquil violet]

Wrong. Next.

[soft pine]

shut your mouth

XD

[empty prairie]

Lucifer.

[lethal chasm]

poseidon? lol idk

[soft pine]

zag spear

[tranquil violet]

It can't possibly be one I spent my first titan bloods on

[empty prairie]

But really it's Guan Yu.

[lethal chasm]

seems like its niche is overshadowed

[tranquil violet]

That's impossible

[lethal chasm]

yea

ive never ran GY

ever

prolly neevr will

lol

[tranquil violet]

GY is fun

[soft pine]

guan yu requires a certain degree of git gud

[lethal chasm]

and i love Guan Yu as a personality/character

[tranquil violet]

I find Guan Yu easier than basically any Shield or Mittens

[lethal chasm]

indeed lol but I hate knowing I CAN die that fast even if I feel on tip

[empty prairie]

I have a 100% win rate with it.

[lethal chasm]

like killing redacted w full DDs lmao

fists are my best i hated them at first

[cunning urchin]

Guan Yu is great.

[lethal chasm]

shield was my fav now its by far my worst i think

not patient enough to block

[empty prairie]

Mittens are dummy simple. Hold attack, tap dodge, win.

[cunning urchin]

Just run Butterfly with it and stop getting hit.

[lethal chasm]

loli mash attack ;x

[loud latch]

what should i focus on wit hguan yu

any specific amazing builds for it

[tranquil violet]

Special is fun

Like a power shot bow build but you're not totally hosed at close range

[cunning urchin]

Heartbreak Flourish, Divine Dash, Zeus' Aid, Smoldering Air.

That's your Guan Yu build.

[tranquil violet]

I did almost exactly that and can confirm it's fun

[empty prairie]

Best thing to do with Guan Yu is pick a weapon that isn't spear.

That's my hot take.

[tranquil violet]

Spear is the only weapon I feel really comfy with so far tbh

So I disagree

[empty prairie]

It's quite hot, so make sure to wear gloves when handling it.

[cunning urchin]

But I'm not joking about Butterfly. The aspect is great for no-hitting chambers.

[tranquil violet]

A really really solid butterfly special-focused Guan Yu run would be nasty by the end

[lethal chasm]

fs i should just go butterfly/gy tomorrow lol

[soft pine]

Zag better hope Guan Yu never finds out Zag is playing with his spear, coz if anyone could storm the greek underworld and kill EVERYONE, it's Guan Yu.

[cunning urchin]

I also wrote some tips for Guan Yu here that might help you. #h1-high-heat-strategies message

[lethal chasm]

gilgamesh>gy lol

and beowulf

way more b.a

[cunning urchin]

I've linked that so many times since I wrote it.

[lethal chasm]

but gy is dope af

[tranquil violet]

At least three times today I think

[soft pine]

I will fight you

[austere shadow]

Any Arthur guides

[lethal chasm]

pinitup

[cunning urchin]

@austere shadow Heartbreak Strike, Divine Dash, Zeus' Aid, Smoldering Air.

[lethal chasm]

gilgamesh is the first hero eva lol

and beowulf slayin demons for the pplz

[cunning urchin]

Gilgamesh is hero Eva?

The Eva of heroes?

[lethal chasm]

GY is dope tho, Oath of the Peach grove is some RNS

tru friendz.

lol

Gilgamesh is the first story of a hero recorded I believe.

[cunning urchin]

Multilingual pun, kind of, since Eve = Eva in German.

[lethal chasm]

word i know 0 germanic language, bit of culture lol

[tranquil violet]

@cunning urchin really esoteric question

It seems like RNG seed/state persists when you quit a run

How to jostle it?

[lethal chasm]

i jostled it earlier lol idk how

[tranquil violet]

Like say I really don't want to start a run with a certain god?

[lethal chasm]

quit midway thru tartarus and midway boons were diff

suicide?

or start w keepsake

[tranquil violet]

That doesn't work

[lethal chasm]

oh lol just spitballin'.

[tranquil violet]

Or well

Suicide would work

[soft pine]

I've suicided in tartarus before, but I always feel bad about it

[lethal chasm]

yea idk how unless they record time alive

as a run

[soft pine]

love how Zag is like, "Oh, yeah, hey, i forgot something."

[lethal chasm]

if you die you die

give up =/=die

[eternal quartz]

A quick message for those interested in Hades Weekly Challenges (can one of the mods ping this role, please?): unfortunately, I won't be able to carry on with them, as I simply don't have time for that, I need to focus on other things. Hope you will still find ways to challenge yourself in Hades 😉

[errant narwhal]

<@&737365219982049411> ^

[severe sentinel]

wonder if boonless escapes would be possible

[wary tangle]

Unless you get really lucky

[stuck bobcat]

Why does people keep repeating to nerf Chiron while Arthur is even more FUBAR :d
Just facetanked EM4 hades, spins hit me for WOOPING 5dmg

🤔

[tranquil violet]

Well

This build is so dumb it's not even fun

But it works

Sword + Heartbreak Strike + Divine Dash + Poseidon's Aid + Piercing Wave + Quick Recovery + Cursed Slash + Binding Flash

Literally the "just spam dash attack" build

You heal so fast and have so many iframes you can just tank Asterius

Literally just mash dash attack repeatedly and hold directional button towards enemy

That's the entirety of the strategy

Oh and Support Fire and the one that makes Weak more weak

If this beats Hades I swear to god

This feels terrible

It absolutely wrecks everything and isn't fun at all

Just completely tanked Hades first phase

Farthest I've gotten :/

[jade grove]

Nice

[tranquil violet]

It's horrible I hate it

It's just button mashing

But I can't die

The healing is too fast, and with some Call boons I rack up full charges of Poseidon's Aid nonstop

[unreal bane]

Sword + Heartbreak Strike + Divine Dash + Poseidon's Aid + Piercing Wave + Quick Recovery + Cursed Slash + Binding Flash
@tranquil violet is this for GY ?

[tranquil violet]

No, Sword

Poseidon but I'm not using it's ability at all 😂

[unreal bane]

Oh right, because you wrote sword. Me dumb

[tranquil violet]

Tech is button mash dash attack to rack up insane damage while healing nonstop and reflecting every projectile

Then after ~5-6s when you get full call meter use Poseidon Aid

Rinse and repeat

Lots of backstab damage synergy

Because you're just dashing back and forth over enemies nonstop

Cursed Sword is the big bit

[turbid needle]

quick recovery is what makes it busted I think

[tranquil violet]

Well

I died anyways

[gleaming current]

Well, most defensive boons do that in one way or another
Although tbf quick recovery is the most potent if you nail the timing right

[tranquil violet]

At 10% of Dad's HP left

Those spins

[gleaming current]

Weak effect is probably more reliable still

albeit again, there is no harm in combining all of those

[turbid needle]

Does "Ricochet fire" provide 2 x proc off zeus attack boon?

it does 😮

[robust anchor]

pogu

[turbid needle]

Which 2nd god boons go best with Eris Zeus attack gun?

poseidon maybe, get knockback on special

[robust anchor]

just keep going for zeus, getting stuff like jolted or the thing that makes lightning proc twice

other good gods are poseidon for dash or call, and demeter or aph or art or athena on special

and ofc athena dash

[turbid needle]

how is athena special helpful

[robust anchor]

it does damage

+60%

[gleaming current]

also deflects anything from you while you try to get a buff

[turbid needle]

does + on attack help zeus proc ?

+40% attack for example from chaos

[robust anchor]

the chaos buff does not apply to zeus sadly, just the white damage

[turbid needle]

man im hating this relod thing

reload*

[stuck bobcat]

What's the meta cast for beowulf again?
Trippy shot seems nice, but I lose instant ammo back 🤔

[sly night]

https://imgur.com/a/QtNlB3e
I have no knockback effect or anything boosting my special, which would you pick? Im thinking maybe rupture?

im playing spear if it matters

[stuck bobcat]

take sea storm just to not mess with loot table

[sly night]

I do have posideon equipped

oh yeah nvm

I have a lvl 3 epic attack buff from ice lady

[unkempt zephyr]

rapture do more damage than sea storm if you dont have alote zeus.

[sly night]

I havee quad dash + zeus epic lightning bolt

that and the status effect

from zaps

[nocturne grotto]

is there a place where i can find good builds?

like a list or something

[unkempt zephyr]

nope. only ppl can say to you good build what they found. becaus list of builds can be endless.Too many variations. +24 aspect.

[nocturne grotto]

im just looking for some inspiration

[unkempt zephyr]

for what weapon?

[nocturne grotto]

hmmm

sword or gun maybe

is the last gun aspect any good?

[unkempt zephyr]

What is your heat?

[nocturne grotto]

0 lol

managed to beat hades once

[unkempt zephyr]

and you have problems with sword?

[nocturne grotto]

yeea kind of.. not very good with melee

[cunning urchin]

Rail 4 is fine. It's just outclassed by Eris.

[unkempt zephyr]

Try take demeter on attack. and add special aphro and artemis aid.

and take all passives from core

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/758485427723698186/758493969683316796/unknown.png

its most easy way to handle sword

[cunning urchin]

There's a basic build guide pinned in #h1-for-new-players that can help you when starting out.

[unkempt zephyr]

if you have problems with bosses. try add demeter and aphro in your builds. Demeter Hard slow enemy and you can easy react to danger. Aphro incrase you surviving

[nocturne grotto]

i feel like bosses are so anti melee

or im playing it wrong

[cunning urchin]

Asterius is a joke with Divine Strike + Divine Dash.

Or really just either.

[unkempt zephyr]

with demeter it be alote easy. i promes. and you need learn how bosses moves.

[cunning urchin]

For both Stygius and Malphon.

[nocturne grotto]

okay thanks a lot for tips

[frail vale]

Well spear is really a ranged weapon.
Sword - is basically a caster base imo
As for firsts - Athena's attack makes you laugh at most things bosses do to you

[unkempt zephyr]

Well spear is really a ranged weapon.
Sword - is basically a caster base imo
As for firsts - Athena's attack makes you laugh at most things bosses do to you
@frail vale Sword caster weapon???this joke will make me smile all day. Thanks for the great mood

[gleaming current]

Well, poseidon really do be caster base

Others? mmm jousting simulators more so

Thrust everything that doesn't move and if it does, stun it with thrusts too

[maiden trail]

Is there a decent list anywhere of things that can penetrate the shields on Theseus/Greatshield frontal block?

[analog pilot]

how do you guys build a doom oriented run?

[cunning urchin]

What aspect?

[unkempt pagoda]

eris

[cunning urchin]

Typically, melee + Curse of Agony + Divine Dash + Divine Flourish and get Merciful End.

[unkempt pagoda]

the more popular doom runs are probably merciful end fists

[cunning urchin]

That's it.

[analog pilot]

thanks

[unkempt zephyr]

totaly any weapon can be doom. Most Fast users of ME all with out bows.

[cinder flower]

is dion still best build for shotgun shield>

[solid hazel]

@maiden trail don't know a list, but off the top of my head arty cast, arty aid, and Zeus thunderbolts...a lot of things like explosions and rifts don't penetrate per se, but often affect a large enough area that they get behind the shield

[maiden trail]

Mmm. I was mostly curious because I had a fun Gilgamesh build going last night and Theseus/Asterius kinda got popped, and I was trying to figure out what happened to Theseus. The problem is I couldn't figure out if I was just moving around so fast that I was getting behind him and reapplying doom, or if the doom stacks were just persisting (Aphro duo).

Was fun, anyway. didn't quite make my best clear time, maybe next time

[solid hazel]

Did you have charm? Sometimes astrius just wrecks theseus when charmed

[maiden trail]

Didn't

[limber flax]

when can i meet thanatos at the house?

[unkempt zephyr]

better to ask some one in story and spoilers chanel

[unique lichen]

does anybody have advise on the hidden spear aspect, is it just really rough until it is leveled up ... but even then it seems like it wouldn't be that good

[robust anchor]

charged skewer hammer and aph or art special

[junior harbor]

Favorite cast for Beowulf?

[unique lichen]

sweet i will test it out

[forest yacht]

Hello! I have a question about Hera aspect of the choronacht. I’m doing a run with it at the moment because I was curious but I’m not really seeing the point? 😅 is there some special way of playing it because atm it just feels like creating a middleman for your cast I.e. just adding an unnecessary step

[robust anchor]

you dont have to spend time doing the cast animation and it drops faster

although im also not a hera fan

[maiden trail]

also easier to hit with stuff like festive fog

[frail vale]

Try using exit wounds boon from Artemis
And yeah no cast animations is big deal

[maiden trail]

I hate festive fog in its own right but with Hera it just gives you bomb arrows

[unkempt zephyr]

when you preparing to ||hades|| https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/764819599711272960/765580601192873984/unknown.png

[frail vale]

And festive fog with Stygian soul + Artemis legendary on Hera is spicy

[maiden trail]

Oh, no

Tell me you can't stack four/five festive fog blasts on one arrow

[unkempt pagoda]

you can

[frail vale]

You can

[maiden trail]

That's disgusting

[frail vale]

I had a run with 2.5sec cd 5x festive fog casts run

[coarse tendon]

good gods for demeter aspect fists?

[forest yacht]

Ahh that makes sense lol

[frail vale]

2x chaos 2x Artemis

[robust anchor]

zeus attack or athena attack

aphro or art special

[forest yacht]

Currently have Ares cast tho so exit wounds isn’t applicable 😩 seems I picked the worst cast for hera then 😂

[unkempt pagoda]

artemis or aphrodite special, but any damage modifier god works

special, not attack, sorry

[maiden trail]

mmm, if you're mid-run with that setup, Merm, I'd fish for the ares/artemis duo to turn your cast into a homing rift

[frail vale]

Zeus/deo duo works with stacked fogs from Hera too. It makes them tick pretty fast

[edgy delta]

i'm having a real hard time defeating the bone hydra, you guys got any tips?

[forest yacht]

Just beat learnie so I guess still have time to ditch it if possible?? Can you sell cast boons? If not I’ll equip Artemis keepsake and hope for the best lol

[robust anchor]

yes! i do have tips! first just learn each move and its windup. also try focusing on one small head if you can then move on to the next! overall if you keep practicing this one will be a piece of cake!

athena dash very good in this fight

[edgy delta]

ty!

[forest yacht]

Bone hydra becomes a fun romp on asphodel once you get the hang of it I’ve found 😂 lol I just pump him full of bloodstones ASAP and then dash strike

[edgy delta]

man, i love servers like this

[maiden trail]

yeah, hydra tends to have a lot of projectiles spewing over the screen, especially if you get a lot of shockwave or needle shot heads, so Athena dash can do some serious work.

[forest yacht]

Ok the game took pity on me and let me sell ares’ cast so I’ve equipped Dionysus’ keepsake and fingers crossed for festive fog 😂 thanks for the advice!! ❤️