I keep thinking I'd want Apollo but idk what he would do
#h1-builds-and-combat
jaunty locust
solid cairn
I did not think Demeter would be cold themed at all though
cloud barn
Apollo could be cool
jaunty locust
he has a bow sometimes, but we got artemis for that. He's in charge of plagues, we got Dio for that
solid hazel
SG sounds like they done with this game content wise
jaunty locust
It makes sense she'd be cold - she causes winter when Persephone's gone
yeah, but I still like to daydream
solid cairn
Wasn’t hangover just called poison at one point
solid hazel
I wouldnt hold my breath for dlc
cinder flower
is eris the best aspec for the rail?
cloud barn
They could lean into the Sun part of Apollo
jaunty locust
I like Eris
solid hazel
Such a loaded question...
solid cairn
is eris the best aspec for the rail?
I think so
jaunty locust
right, but what would sun do
solid hazel
What is best really?
cloud barn
Fire
still vigil
DLC? who she?
what are some of the better boons with eris rail?
solid cairn
It’s subjective, but I think eris is one of the better weapons in the game
cloud barn
No fire theme yet
solid hazel
Zeus attack
jaunty locust
Apollo is also the god or Prophecy, so like
cloud barn
So Apollo could cover that
solid hazel
And music!
jaunty locust
right, but what does fire do? damage over time? we got that with dio
cinder flower
@solid hazel were you talking to me when you said zeus attack with eris rail?
solid cairn
Yes
solid hazel
Yeah..i think it's really strong
solid cairn
What makes eris so good is the damage boost applies to literally everything
jaunty locust
"Delphic Apollo is the patron of seafarers, foreigners and the protector of fugitives and refugees." hmm that's not particularly actionable
solid cairn
Including the flat damage from Zeus
Including your call
It is just such an insane buff
cinder flower
ok zeus, any combos or boons
solid cairn
Smoldering air
jaunty locust
Zeus works really well with Zeus
solid hazel
Oh @solid cairn while I got an expert...
solid cairn
More Zeus is good
jaunty locust
you wanna get static becuase it's a huge damage boost
Zeus' legendary amps that up even more
solid hazel
If something says it buffs special or attack damage that wouldn't include things like hangover or doom applied from special or attack right?
solid cairn
Smoldering air
jaunty locust
plenty of gods you can snag one ability from and then kinda be good. Zeus is really mltiplicative
solid cairn
I already said that nvm
But since it boosts call dmg, smoldering air is insane
I mean smoldering air is broken always
jaunty locust
wait, smoldering air boosts call damage?
solid hazel
@solid cairn senpai notice me!
solid cairn
And you already have Zeus attack and want a high damage special
cloud barn
Wait wha
solid cairn
What
cloud barn
Eris boosts call damage?
solid cairn
Excuse me sir
jaunty locust
eris boosts all damage
solid cairn
Eris boosts call damage?
Yes
jaunty locust
Eris also boosts dio hangover damage
that's the same as targeting system, which also boosts the hangover and residual damage
that's why the bonus you get is so small relative to things like Achilles spear
solid cairn
Poseidon call with eris smoldering air is insane
You get high burst damage on top of invincibility every few seconds
cinder flower
Any notable hammers?
solid cairn
And eris builds up call really fast because of the fire rate
jaunty locust
ok so Dio's aid you don't want to max gauge because it doesn't do anything more than the first five stacks, which is basically what one section does, right?
solid cairn
Rocket and cluster
Triple bomb is great
Rocket allows you to apply the buff instantly by shooting a wall near you
And you don’t have to deal with the lob mechanic
solid hazel
Haha @solid cairn I asked a question you probably missed... I can copy it again
That was the weird confession
solid cairn
Cluster bomb is insane because again Eris boosts special damage
jaunty locust
you don't like the seeker? The extra 30% on everything feels good
solid cairn
And if you get rocket and cluster you press special and things evaporate
They synergize
solid hazel
If something says it buffs special or attack damage that wouldn't include things like hangover or doom applied from special or attack right?
jaunty locust
Nope
jaunty locust
here's an example: Boiling Blood gives you additional attack and special damage to foes with bloodstones in them, so nothing for casts or damage over time or chain lightning damage
but privileged status gives you +40% on damage
solid hazel
Right that's how I'm interpreting it... Just wanted to be sure
jaunty locust
yeah. It's a little tricky
solid hazel
A few things pretty inconsistent in this game
jaunty locust
consistent, just specific
so like, the dream is eris gun, dio call, and a bunch of other juicy statuses to lob onto them
solid cairn
you know what's inconsistent
things that say attack and whether or not they apply to dash strike
take breaching slash for example
solid hazel
Or cursed slash
solid cairn
it says attack deals extra armor damage
solid portal
Am I misssing something or is God's Legacy much better than God's pride in mirror?
solid cairn
and dash strike does too
so you would think cursed slash works on dash strike, right?
wrong
solid hazel
Also like what is an "encounter"?
solid cairn
not that I would ever take that trash hammer on nemesis anyway
jaunty locust
God's Legacy is, generally speaking, to me, seems a lot better. Pride gives you more of a foundation for rarer boons to start, but all of the most busted stuff is from duos, so
solid hazel
Never treasure troves... Sometimes small rooms in styx
solid cairn
Am I misssing something or is God's Legacy much better than God's pride in mirror?
I've been using it a lot more
solid hazel
Depends if it's lambent plume or pom blossom what an encounter is
Also shadow strike doesn't work on dash attack... Hoarding slash adds flat damage at the end of the Calc, so not subject to bonus damage from boons
Which makes it already worse than it is haha
limber lintel
question: what builds do you guys go for when using spear? beside guan yu aspect
i havent touched spear for so long i forget everything
lapis matrix
Hades
jaunty locust
Hades is good for general purpose
Someone just recently mentioned Achilles as amazing for cast builds because you can get such a big boost onto it
solid portal
is the base aspect ok, or do I need to invest more @solid cairn ?
lapis matrix
Achilles is good for cast boots
jaunty locust
same hat beck
solid cairn
eris?
prime island
Achilles for those of us not with hidden aspect yet lol
lapis matrix
Same with Achilles
solid portal
ok
jaunty locust
I'm waiting to ulock the spicier ones (DYING to try out arthur)
solid cairn
the scaling stat is special damage buff
solid portal
I only have 4 blood left
solid cairn
arthur is so fun
jaunty locust
but I need to wait for ||nyx to stop being busy, and BOY HOWDY does she have a lot to do lately||
solid portal
God I wish I was good with the sword
solid cairn
you become a tanky juggernaut
solid portal
it's the only weapon I can't win with
solid hazel
Yeah i noticed that too @jaunty locust
solid cairn
I want to be god tier with the sword at some point
jaunty locust
I mean, my number one complaint about the game is that I couldn't play hammer or greatsword fromm monster hunter in it, and it sounds like that's Arthur
solid hazel
Couldn't advance anything cuz of nyx
jaunty locust
I had that problem with Achilles
I started his boyfriend quest just in time to like
limber lintel
what about investing the base zag's spear?
solid cairn
arthur is a very g reat sword
limber lintel
is the speed bonus worth it?
solid cairn
uhh base zag spear is kinda ehh
jaunty locust
have to wait 20 runs to get GY, and in the end just gave up and took second-room trap deaths to speed it up
solid hazel
3rd slash of arthur feels like tcs
solid cairn
just wait until the hidden spear
solid hazel
Less missing though
solid cairn
way better special
jaunty locust
what does the hidden spear special do? It's a throw, but... does it do something else?
it feels like it's just a throw
limber lintel
no i have everything unlocked now
limber lintel
just asking around if its fun enough
jaunty locust
oh so when it hits it AOEs.
solid cairn
it does way more damage
lapis matrix
Zag spear does seem to share it's special focus
jaunty locust
I feel like with the slow jab, what you want is to be dash attacking and spinning
lapis matrix
Which screws with it
solid cairn
guan yu is kinf of interesting
jaunty locust
... Okay so you know how with chaos shield or w/e while the shield is flying you can't attack, but with ZEUS you can, even though the shield is already there?
solid cairn
it has the aesthetic appeal and a more interesting moveset
jaunty locust
can you attack while your spear is spinning with GY?
lapis matrix
Yes
solid hazel
Does the fact that all zag weapons are boring mean that zagreus himself is boring?
jaunty locust
ok so you can attack n thro
solid cairn
Does the fact that all weapons are boring mean that zagreus himself is boring?
no
stip being mean
stop
lapis matrix
I mean it shares it's special role with GY
solid hazel
I can't it's in my nature
solid cairn
default pfps amirite
solid hazel
Otherwise I'd be out like stealing candy from babies
solid cairn
does anyone actually pick the vengeance boons?
they are a big meme
solid hazel
So yes
solid cairn
vengeful mood is pretty fun
unkempt zephyr
does anyone actually pick the vengeance boons?
@still vigil realy good.specialy ares boon with another boon( impendong doom probably and very good ho have athenna vengance bood.
solid cairn
but other than that they are pretty throwaway
solid hazel
The other day vengeful mood turned a losing run into a funny losing run
solid cairn
ares one is one of the better ones
jaunty locust
Demeter feels ok - immediate 10-stack of chill isn't too bad
lapis matrix
Ares and Zeus are needed with the auto vengence
solid hazel
Athena revenge actually helps a lot against pots in em4
jaunty locust
gimmick build where you only have revenge boons and also have vengeful mood so every couple seconds everything explodes
solid hazel
Keeps you from getting stunned in them
jaunty locust
it'd be almost impossible to force that build, but I'd love to see it
solid hazel
It's been done on the internets
unkempt zephyr
now if someone tells me that the claws(gilgamesh) will not damage, I will show this picture. where they will damage without crits (and I have crits in the my build) Spoiler carefull.
||https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/758485427723698186/765413227739480074/unknown.png||
solid hazel
These crazy kids do everything on the www these days
solid cairn
https://youtu.be/1Rhu1p0Ck9M almost impossible to force it huh
jaunty locust
sometimes I'm lucky and I can. Sometimes I can't and I'm just hanging out
lapis matrix
I keep forgetting how to use blizzard shot
solid cairn
I swear haelian has done like every build in this game
solid hazel
I had gilg with curse of longing yesterday... It was dooming for like 1k on first proc...
solid cairn
he got 760 hp once
solid hazel
It can do chunky damage, not sure if that means it's good
lethal chasm
blizzard shot got me my record yesterday
w achilles
was getting 5k per cast
lvl 7 flood shot or somethin
solid hazel
Is there a world record for biggest hit?
solid cairn
i really want to like achilles and beowulf shield
solid hazel
I wanna see it...my reptile brain associates big numbers with wealth and good fortune
lethal chasm
clear everything fast as HADES
highest numbers ive seen are uhh spread rocket artemis w eris i think
solid hazel
Lol way to sidestop the language bot
lethal chasm
5k aswell, maybe that blizz shot
jaunty locust
omg that was SO good
solid hazel
I'm just gonna tap that report button... And done
lethal chasm
lmao if only you knew how to spell/express "sidestep" you clown
as heck
or hades as a modifier
is that better?
lmao
jaunty locust
highest number I saw was a hazard bomb aphro special with a crit from marked, I did 1902 with that
(companions don't count)
solid cairn
when pressure points procs on a companion lol
solid hazel
I'm just making fun of you no need to attack my fragile ego
jaunty locust
oh it can proc on a companion?
solid cairn
it says any damage you deal
jaunty locust
wait, do things like eris rail or the two-curses ones work for that too?
oh, that actually gives me a very important question. For bosses that have phases - if you deal a big hit does it just stop at their phase cutoff?
like, could you double-curse a fury, drop thanny, and just remove their entire healthbar in one shot?
lethal chasm
it stops.
jaunty locust
😦
lethal chasm
if you hit aphro call w 3k shot and redact is 1 hp from imperv, you do 1 dmg
gotta time stuff right cuz that
jaunty locust
I mean, that makes sense
otherwise you could do some stacking to eliminate bosses ENTIRELY
lethal chasm
some builds youd just be able to erase redact in 1 shot
or minotaur aswell
yea
i was talking about rarity of doom + continous tick builds + dot stack, next run i get it lol
p good w chaos shield
havent tried many builds w it at all
jaunty locust
continuous tick builds?
lethal chasm
aphro ares duo
makes weak enemies continously tick doom
(forget names of these boons >_>)
cosmic vale
what's the best sword aspect
jaunty locust
God I want Arthur so bad
lethal chasm
arthur nice i dont find myself running it a lot lately tho
did a nice nemesis run earlier tho, bad rng and still decent from nem
rare kayak
id say arthur is the only weapon id have confidence running without any boons other than hammer and sisy
cinder flower
@solid cairn this was fun https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/369256100954112027/765419153011245116/unknown.png
solid cairn
that is so lucky oh my god
lapis matrix
Boost your special with either Aphrodite or Artemis
solid cairn
if you had smoldering air that would have been even more of a gg
solid hazel
Sick build @cinder flower
lethal chasm
i havent even bothered w gy once lol
rare kayak
rocket sounds weird with eris
wouldnt u have to be like right next to the enemy to use it
tranquil violet
What the hell is this room
cosmic vale
i haven't even unlocked gy yet
tranquil violet
In Tartarus, angry witch thing?
lethal chasm
you have to shoot the rockets at the wall to proc eris
cosmic vale
it doesn't look very appealing
tranquil violet
I can't seem to damage it?
tranquil violet
Ah there we go
rare kayak
oh the wretched sneak isnt it
catch the teleports
good luck
if youve got excal its a pita
lethal chasm
witch takes a bit yea u gotta predict her teleports if you dont have dots r somethin
rare kayak
i did manage to catch sneak out of her tp with an excal swing3 once which felt great
solid portal
WOW hammer on Eris is amazing. I have lvl4 zeus on attack and Hermes on special with athena dash and call
Options are:
Explosive fire (attack does aoe and slows foes)
Triple bomb (allows you to fire 3 bombs in rapid succession (special) <- I would imagine this would be good with my Eris aspect
Flurry Fire (plus to attack speed and more ammo)
They are all so good. Anyone with Eris experience make a good recommendation here?
unkempt pagoda
flurry fire
solid portal
done and done my friend, thank you. Zagreus thanks you too Hades not so much.
void fjord
flurry fire make rail go brrrr
tranquil violet
Ruthless or greater reflex?
empty prairie
Flurry fire and epic aspd is my favourite combo with rail.
unkempt pagoda
ruthless is best with fists4 and... that’s it
unkempt zephyr
its preference and skill based choose at same time
becaus 50% damage and 50% dodje. its huge deal. and you can find easy + dash from hermes. but need survive to this moment.
tranquil violet
Hm, shadow or fiery presence?
Shadow seems better?
Depends on the weapon a lot I guess
brazen hornet
does the 10% for heroic and legendary make the difference? Getting kinda tired of garbage boons and ultimately sloppy runs....I literally just discovered the flip side of skills in the mirror yesterday and am annoyed I wasted all my darkness on inferior skills lol
solid hazel
the consensus is that it's really good
with fate authority for rerolls 10% can go a long way
that said I take the other one
hypocrite 101
brazen hornet
and now I realize I can just respec all my darkness lmfao facepalms
tranquil violet
Still really unsure about Olympian favor vs dark foresight
Like, I guess because I still need a lot of materials to unlock stuff, Olympian favor?
But dark foresight seems more helpful for advancing
solid hazel
haven't thought it out well enough to have an opinion and other people have given mixed messages
I'm pretty mathematically minded...to be convinced I would want to know how the game balances blue vs gold laurels in the base case vs in the dark forsight
frail schooner
lol second wind with smoldering air is just.. .yes
fair plinth
is there a way to aim the direction of battie or is it completely random
lethal chasm
seems like it auto aims the way the enemy is facing or something ;/
something arbitrary like that
tranquil violet
Which hammers are exclusive to Guan Yu?
lethal chasm
i only use olympian favo personally lol
not sure how good of a decision that is tho.
as rarities = 1 pom so im getting extra poms
but i could get extra hammers n such
hm.
bout to switch lol
lapis matrix
There is only one I think?
And that just extends the length of time the spear spins
cunning urchin
Battie aims perpendicular to the direction Zagreus is facing.
If Zag looks |, Meg will hit —.
orchid marlin
Did stubborn defiance always only restore 30%? I thought it restored 60% but must have been looking at death defiance ig
potent ember
isnt there some way to like save a run in the files so u can reload it at that exact point every time? Im trying to practice ||EM4|| and want to save right before the fight
lethal chasm
uhh probably idk where saves are stored
look itup
back up save
save it when u there
restore
repeat
not sure itll work but p sure
solid portal
I wish they had an alternate mapping for controller so I could use R1 to reload rather than joystick press. I guess I could remap interact to the keyboard but not sure if that will work in tandem with Controller
That would be a hard no
it thinks E is the R3 joy press
darn it
oh duh!
I'll just remap interact with R3 joy press
win
tranquil violet
Aspect of Guan Yu
Blizzard Shot
Sea Storm
Massive Spin
Quick Spin
Pretty fun area control. Blizzard shot makes landing charged spins much easier
lapis matrix
I don't quite get how to use Blizzard shot
solid portal
Does Athena's boon "last stand" work on each death defiance I would assume. It says replenish 1 use at the end and I have no idea what that references, unless you've lost a DD and it gives you one back?
unkempt pagoda
you cast it in someone’s face and they die
solid portal
LOL
unkempt pagoda
also you’ve got it right, hero
solid portal
Onyx that buff to attack on Eris..... with the lightining at lvl7 brrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
melting foes
unkempt pagoda
it only replenishes a dd, meaning you need to have lost one beforehand to make use of that feature
it’ll still buff your dds if you’re at full though
you cast it in someone’s face and they die
not being facetious btw, the damage blizzard shot does is insane, especially if you stack multiple
solid portal
Yea, I figured that out on testing Onyx I had it once before and was curios if it gave another back since I was full up. When it didn't I wasn't super surprised as that would be OP
unkempt pagoda
that used to be how it worked and you’re right, it was op
kisses of styx also used to give you dds too, so you could walk into the final boss with around 6-7 dds if you were lucky
solid portal
speaking of Styx is the saytr fountain a % base health refill or a flat number does anyone know?
unkempt pagoda
now there’s a soft max of 3, which is much healthier for the game
it works the same as any other fountain, so i assume a percentage based heal
solid portal
ok thanks
maiden trail
i do kinda wish you could stack extra single-use DDs when you have stubborn defiance
stubborn defiance has some neat niche uses, like being able to self-kill to refill life at the end of a room, but I'm not sure I see how it can compete with regular DD once you have it ranked at the mirror
unkempt pagoda
if you use up your stubborn beforehand and take an athena dd, you can
at high heat, stubborn defiance becomes the only feasible way to heal yourself in a run
maiden trail
Hmm, interesting. I hadn't gotten into high heat yet.
unkempt pagoda
with touches of styx and patty’s styx+ you heal to insane thresholds of hp too
cunning urchin
Stubborn Defiance is way better.
unkempt pagoda
once saw someone defy for 300 hp lol
tranquil violet
Which diamond upgrades should I prioritize?
I'm guessing fated keys?
Fated authority being new rather than just a buff
cunning urchin
Nah actually.
unkempt pagoda
what options do you have?
tranquil violet
Fated Keys, Vintage Nectar, Brilliant Genstones, Pitch-Black Darkness, Vanquished Keep and Admin Priveleges
cunning urchin
If you want to give them a try because they're new, sure.
tranquil violet
So all of the dungeon ones
void fjord
personally the normal defiance is better on low heat runs, while stubborn defiance is good on 20+ heat
unkempt pagoda
if you don’t already have it, go admin chamber first
tranquil violet
Vintage Nectar also seems good
unkempt pagoda
it’s required for a majority of quests in the game
void fjord
i suggest keys then admin privilege
cunning urchin
Fated Keys last. Admin Privileges first.
tranquil violet
Ah if it unlocks quests that's good
I can get some diamonds from some of those hopefully
cunning urchin
Single Authority rerolls are pretty weak tbh. They won't do much. You get more from the other upgrades.
solid portal
4 Death Defiances and full health at 285 with lightning attack buffed to lvl9 on Eris with Athena dash and call.
There is absolutely no way I am not victorious in this final battle. Impossible or darn near it.
I already regret pressing enter.
unkempt pagoda
you got this!
solid portal
I mean, no heat either
I should be able to play .. nevermind I'll need both arms
I have said this before and lost
lol
tranquil violet
Ahhh I didn't notice the Simple Job quest
solid portal
but theres no way
tranquil violet
Time to buy some cheap cosmetics to get some diamonds lol
Ahhh no they don't count!
spiral tree
so pom blossom when maxed is easily one of the best keepsakes but how do I use it while still building the way I want?
cunning urchin
Is it?
spiral tree
Should I stick with it from the beginning to end and adapt to whatever Gods I have or should I use it only for some of the levels?
robust anchor
its hard to justify when you get random boons
opal lodge
I dont rate the pom blossom at all
but i sometimes use it if i get good rolls in tartarus
half crater
see, i think you’ve hit on why it isn’t ridiculously good lol
robust anchor
and not to mention the stuff that gets pommed is random
half crater
^
opal lodge
sad
mellow quest
it's an interesting keepsake at the very least and sometimes you have lots of boons that scale well with upgrades, enough that you don't care about the randomness
placid topaz
i hit level 20 tidal dash
@opal lodge how?!
opal lodge
literally only upgraded tidal dash and went for poms whenever it was an option
half crater
people have broken 30 iirc
spiral tree
So how do you make best use of pom blossom?
opal lodge
also got sweet nectar in like room 4
yeah i think haelian got it to 32 or something dumb
half crater
my record is like 14 or something tho lol
placid topaz
what does sweet nectar do again?
opal lodge
every pom bonus is +1
cunning urchin
I dunno. You don't pick it? 👀
spiral tree
Should I use a keepsake to give me the guranteed god I want at the start then use blossom rest of the game?
placid topaz
depends on how badly you need that god in your pool to finish your run
dense valley
it depends on what you want to do but thats a pretty fine strat
placid topaz
if you think you wont make it without them, i think its worth it
dense valley
its what i use when i use excalibur or bow just because i like athena attack on it
but its more efficient to just use blossom the whole time i think
unkempt pagoda
pom blossom is best used like plume/butterfly imo, right for the beginning
opal lodge
what if you start with like a hammer LOL
placid topaz
hammer start = guaranteed win
cunning urchin
Meta for a lot of aspects is any of three Attack/Special boons. So you don't need one specific god to get a good DPS Attack or Special.
unkempt pagoda
you’re probably gonna get a boon within 4 chambers, unless you’re extraordinarily unlucky lol
mellow quest
oops all meta progression
unkempt pagoda
oops all gemstones
cunning urchin
Dark Foresight says hi.
solid portal
well that was ez. Thanks @unkempt pagoda first time I've never had to use a Death Defiance at all lol
Eris go br-r-r-r--rrrrrr
mellow quest
i've had tartarus runs with dark foresight where i still only saw 1 boon
unkempt pagoda
another joins eris gang
half crater
basically everyone is in eris gang at this point lol
unkempt pagoda
dark foresight? i play with routine inspection 1 
cunning urchin
That's your own fault.
solid portal
not only in the Eris gang, starting a fan club and it's own discord lololololol
cunning urchin
This Discord is the Eris fan club discord.
mellow quest
i ran maxed zag aspect because i was feeling lazy today and i ended up with flurry fire zues attack w/ jolted, rocket aphro special and tidal dash w/ rupture
hold attack to win
unkempt pagoda
did an 32 heat eris run the other day with doom cluster targeting system
thing is good
cunning urchin
@mellow quest now imagine how much more damage you could have done with that build on Eris.
spiral tree
I assumed everyone has dark foresight on most builds lol
mellow quest
yeah
cunning urchin
I'll tell you how much: +75%.
mellow quest
but also imagine how much more reloading i'd have to do
unkempt pagoda
i’m honestly surprised they nerfed bow special before they nerfed eris lol
half crater
i did a 32 the other day with eris basically without any build at all apart from rockets
spiral tree
so using pom blossom is best for tarturs not later on?
cunning urchin
Don't need to reload when everything is dead.
spiral tree
I would think it's the opposite
tall yarrow
I like the blossom in Tartarus as you can try to pick an early boon that scales and get it a few free levels. Once you hit those diminishing returns or you get so many boons that the randoms are too unpredictable, then switch
half crater
stuff just works out with eris lol
mellow quest
it didn't really come together until elysium/styx
cunning urchin
@spiral tree I don't know. You try and find out. 
unkempt pagoda
pom blossom is great when you save-scum a seed you like 😛
spiral tree
If you're building correctly then wouldn't you have enough good boon choices that it being random wouldn't really matter @tall yarrow
robust anchor
unless seeded
half crater
pom blossom is super fun
robust anchor
you really want poms on like 2 boons most of the time
tall yarrow
Having good boons doesn’t mean all of the boons are equally worth leveling
half crater
i basically never take it tho lol
tall yarrow
Like you don’t pick Athena dash for the damage, so leveling it isn’t great
half crater
on serious runs, there’s always better options imo
tranquil violet
Guan Yu + Poseidon Atk/Spec and Dionysus Cast/Dash feels nice
opal lodge
speak for urself mate i want my athena dash to do it all
/s in case anyone thinks im serious
robust anchor
i would rather use megs earring than pom
cunning urchin
Yeah, I still fail to see the value of Pom Blossom over other keepsakes, personally.
half crater
Like you don’t pick Athena dash for the damage, so leveling it isn’t great
@tall yarrow i somehow ended up with like level 4 heroic divine dash the other day
it made me irrationally angry
unkempt pagoda
pom blossom has one of the best sound effects when you equip it, that’s why 😛
tall yarrow
You can put the Pom blossom on early and switch to meg earring later...
robust anchor
it was a joke
tranquil violet
Oh and charged spear
tranquil violet
Which is surprisingly strong with Guan Yu
I only picked it because of the quest
To try everything
cunning urchin
Why take Pom Blossom when I can buff all my damage by +50% with Pierced Butterfly. 
opal lodge
i would use pierced butterfly but i like keeping my blood pressure at normal levels
void fjord
pom blossom is good on tartarus and maybe asphodel if you dont have more than 3 boons
opal lodge
highest i ever hit was like 36 and i was stressed the entire time
cunning urchin
36 is really good.
spiral tree
hmm
void fjord
lol i still have to get the achievement
opal lodge
every time a skull lunged at me i cringed
tall yarrow
At least all the benefit from Pom blossom isn’t lost when you switch it, like with butterfly
cunning urchin
If you play with FO2 all the time, FO0 with Butterfly is super easy lol.
half crater
i’ve only done 30, for the achievement
spiral tree
I guess with arthur aura I can use aura to slow everything and take my time and then I could use pierced butterfly
half crater
literally barely managed it in the last styx chamber
tall yarrow
So if you need to pick Olympian keepsakes to target specific legends and duos you can
placid topaz
so what are peoples go-to keepsakes with, say, fists?
robust anchor
owl
tall yarrow
I like to get hangover attack with fists
unkempt pagoda
butterfly and plume do not proc on mini-chambers
mellow quest
i can't be the only one that feels like fo meg and tisiphone aren't that much harder but alecto is much harder
unkempt pagoda
they’re the exception
half crater
zeus/ares/athena keepsake to start for fists
tall yarrow
It depends on aspect tho
void fjord
for fists i usually go for the rose to start
half crater
depending on my mood
opal lodge
i can't be the only one that feels like fo meg and tisiphone aren't that much harder but alecto is much harder
@mellow quest alecto go brrrr
tranquil violet
Guan Yu + Charged Spear hammer + Poseidon Flourish = YEET BEEM
void fjord
then depending on whatever boons i get i continue
tranquil violet
Just throw it and watch everything get yeeted
spiral tree
just so I understand the dodge mechanic if you have say 1% chance that means that when an enemy hits you there's a 1% chance it will do 0 damage
tall yarrow
My best fist build so far was hangover attack, doom special, curse of nausea
spiral tree
is that correct?
tall yarrow
Yes
spiral tree
I guess this would be heat dependent but in general how difficult is it to clear a room "quickly"
is lambent plum good or a waste?
unkempt pagoda
there’s a timer specific to each chamber
half crater
hard in elysium
void fjord
its good
half crater
unless it’s witches lmao
void fjord
in general
placid topaz
whats curse of nausea?
spiral tree
screw the witch room lol
unkempt pagoda
there’s an timer beneath the plume icon that ticks down
void fjord
faster hangover dmg
spiral tree
without aura you are prob taking damage
void fjord
dodge has saved me multiple times
tall yarrow
Dio/Ares dúo which makes hangover tick every .35 instead of .5 sec
half crater
whats curse of nausea?
@placid topaz ares/dio duo boon: hangover ticks faster
void fjord
well thats the plan, but enemy go brrr
spiral tree
I get hit mostly by EM4 hades, flame chariots, and thesius bombs in chariot
mellow quest
dodge is pretty good when you're 1 frame off a dash dodging and it blocks a 150 damage hades urn or something
unkempt pagoda
i think the only thing in this game that goes brr is demeter
opal lodge
i got hit a lot each time i turned up FO
spiral tree
Sometimes I take thesius and asterius too lightly in armor and they take like 2 defiances
and I'm like noooooooo
void fjord
flame chariots have become so much easier to avoid, im so happy
half crater
i think the only thing in this game that goes brr is demeter
@unkempt pagoda cerberus?
opal lodge
need to get better at FO2 EM4 hades
spiral tree
I dont know what it is about them
half crater
same tbh
spiral tree
but A+T in armor are tougher than they look
cunning urchin
Zag goes brrr when he reaches the surface.
opal lodge
theseus may not be the hardest boss but definitely all around most annoying
half crater
i did EM4 FO2 once by mostly luck, and i can’t do it again
spiral tree
together
void fjord
whats MM asterius with no EM?
cunning urchin
Asterius isn't affected by MM.
half crater
asterius doesn’t get a MM bonus
unkempt pagoda
pretty sure there is no mm asterius
void fjord
ok thanks, had to make sure
unkempt pagoda
when sgg considers asterius his own boss but won’t let acorn affect his fight
half crater
also charon
tall yarrow
EM4 is too annoying for me right now. I don’t like to breeze through the run only to hit a wall at the end.
half crater
like, he clearly a boss lmao
tall yarrow
I rather make the regular chambers tougher so they aren’t as boring
opal lodge
FOT was the biggest difference maker for me
spiral tree
I have only beaten EM4 hades twice after like a dozen or so attempts but he grants 4 extra heat so like learning it now will help me go to higher heats without turning on so many pacts @tall yarrow
void fjord
well typically 10%+ is good, since its like 1 in 10 hits is bound to not hit
spiral tree
This channel makes me feel better about myself
I am glad I am not the only one who finds EM4 Hades tough to fight
tranquil violet
Fridge: the fact that Asphodel fish give you keys suggest there is a key pollution problem.
tall yarrow
The more dodge you already have, the more valuable each extra percent is
spiral tree
I just thought I was really scrubby at the game lol
void fjord
well it is the final obstacle in a way
cunning urchin
There are way easier pacts for 4 Heat than EM4.
tall yarrow
I like lambert plume with zag fists a lot
opal lodge
FO2 jsut killed all my muscle memory
unkempt pagoda
you can easily do 32 heat without even turning on em4 or td3 lol
spiral tree
Hades has kind of been really easy for me at these low heats so far
but EM4 phase 3 hades just abuses me like a 1950's house wife
cunning urchin
You can do 40+ without ever touching EM3, in fact.
unkempt pagoda
hell the 50 heat runs i’ve seen wouldn’t turn on em4
spiral tree
EM3 is easy
tall yarrow
I have the hardest time with phase 1 tbh with or without EM
opal lodge
im curious which ones you think are easier than em4 because i didnt think em 4 was that bad compared to some others
spiral tree
I tried most of the other pacts
spiral tree
they easy as he..hades compared to EM4 lol
opal lodge
tbh routine inspection messed up my runs more than EM4
void fjord
he did @half crater
half crater
yeah thought so
void fjord
he also got the WR yesterday for high heat and fastest clear i think
half crater
oh nice
spiral tree
welp gonna try lambent plume on this EM4 run
opal lodge
what a monster
void fjord
not completely sure abt the high heat one
cunning urchin
What heat?
void fjord
51 heat (haelian)
spiral tree
13
half crater
ah, a 51 minute run at 13 heat
cosmic vale
is em4 really that hard?
cunning urchin
Ah. I guess that'd be WR in 1.0, yeah.
mellow quest
why don't you find out yourself :)
tranquil violet
Am I imagining things or do Duo boons seem more common in shops?
cosmic vale
i haven't tried it yet but i kinda wanted to do a run with just the ems
tall yarrow
I think the hardest part is just learning new habits
unkempt pagoda
the beauty of td3 is that it forces high heat videos to be of a reasonable watch time
spiral tree
whats easier to handle benefits package or middle management?
tall yarrow
First few times on EM4 that spear throw always caught me by surprise
unkempt pagoda
mm
void fjord
BP2 makes me cry sometimes
cunning urchin
@tranquil violet pretty sure shop boons have increased rarity.
void fjord
but only in tartarus due to bad rng
unkempt pagoda
i absolutely despise bp2
mellow quest
bp2 dracons
void fjord
lol imagine getting cloner and the wormhole one
cunning urchin
BP2 Dracons are technically BP4 lol.
unkempt pagoda
few things in this game i hate
half crater
BP2 is so fun tho
cosmic vale
yknow speaking of em4
cosmic vale
is the version of god of the dead with the extra bit from it available at all
void fjord
and you have PL on
half crater
it’s like, ooh what fun challenge am i gonna face?
teleporting extra fast flamewheels! hurray!
half crater
anyway it’s great
unkempt pagoda
getting speeder shifter bowmen and never getting a clean shot bc they won’t sit still and now you’re gonna time out in elysium 💔
mellow quest
teleporting flamewheels make me die on the inside
void fjord
its not fun then
half crater
they’re all kinda fun
void fjord
teleporting flamewheels are funny
half crater
just depends on what kind of fun you mean
unkempt pagoda
the absolute worst is cloner seeker witches
cunning urchin
When is BP2 Hades?
unkempt pagoda
i hate them with a passionate fury
void fjord
right underneath the plume
mellow quest
EM5: fight every olympian god back to back in a gauntlet of boss fights
unkempt pagoda
should be underneath the plume icon, though don’t know the layout of switch
opal lodge
EM5: fight every olympian god back to back in a gauntlet of boss fights
@mellow quest the first time i did trial of the gods i thought it was gonna be something like this
spiral tree
ohh ok
tall yarrow
What did they change?
orchid marlin
Stubborn defiance is such garbage does anyone actually use it
tall yarrow
Stubborn defiance is better at high heats depending on the pact
opal lodge
Stubborn defiance is such garbage does anyone actually use it
@orchid marlin its better for ultra high heat stuff
cosmic vale
i've seen stubborn defiance used on very high heats
tall yarrow
Some of them make regular encounters much deadlier than bosses and once you are good you don’t need multiple DD for the bosses
orchid marlin
Ah ok. Cause for me on lower heats I basically only die at the final boss
unkempt pagoda
with LC4 on it’s the only reliable way to heal
void fjord
the earlier one was similar to the athena legendary, but all enemies got it and it stayed for 5s at a time and came every 5s or so if im remembering properly
well unless you take GY
orchid marlin
I love tbe moveset of GY but I always run spiked collar with it bc the max health reduction is too painful otberwise
cosmic vale
i wonder how long it'll be before someone beats a capped heat run w/o god mode
cunning urchin
No need to spend anything on healing with SD.
mellow quest
i don't really like LC3/4, feels like it just turns off a huge part of the game to me rather than make it challenging
tall yarrow
Spiked collar is kinda meh you get more value out of acorn if it is bosses giving you trouble
mellow quest
but stubborn defiance makes it way more tolerable
cunning urchin
I don't spend on healing anyway, so LC4 or LC0 makes no difference to me.
solid portal
In case anyone needs to do some shopping Amazon Prime Day starts in 1 hour 10 min. Mech keyboard, controller maybe who knows lol
spiral tree
so far 8/8 on plume 🙂
robust anchor
wish there was a boss rush mode. its so tedious to try and practice em4
takes at least 10 or so min to get to sticks
spiral tree
nuuu
wtf
so i spawned in a long room and enemies spawned on both sides of it
how the hades am I supposed to get plume bonus?
it didnt look possible lol
spiral tree
i need to level plume up
tall yarrow
Yeah but one or two ranks won’t make a huge diff
Consider that you get a lot more than that out from rolling a common vs epic Hermes boon, but if you get a bad Hermes you just roll with it
cunning urchin
how the hades am I supposed to get plume bonus?
Dash?
Aggro one side, move to the other, kill both? I dunno. I don't really think about it anymore lol.
tall yarrow
Depending on how many enemies spawn on distant side, you can maybe take them out with casts
orchid marlin
If i discard the acorn at Styx do I keep the leveled up boons or no
tall yarrow
Do you mean the Pom blossom? If so yes
empty field
i want to love guan yu. i really do. the idea is cool as heck to me. but the kit is just so s l o w
i just picked up hermes 30% attack speed and it has made it bearable. only having leech be on the spin attack is just so... clunky
placid topaz
yeah i just did a guan yu run and had faster attack from hermes and faster spin charge up rate from hammer
even then it was... not easy lol
i can do higher heat with fists much easier than that run was, lol
empty field
why would i want this over stygius with cursed slash? just seems strictly worse. yeah it's something i can start with and i don't have to rely on getting the hammer, but...
placid topaz
and this was max guan yu, so 50%
empty field
i think i'd genuinely prefer to be out here tickling them to death with dusa's feather duster
also i feel duped, the old spiked collar still showed full value on it on the tooltip. the game is generally pretty good about showing you the updated amounts you're going to get from your modifiers
just switched to it and nope, about 15 instead of the full 50. my guan yu is only first level so 70% reduction i think
placid topaz
i strongly recommend not trying guan yu until/unless its maxed at 50%
there's hard mode and then theres level 1 guan yu lol
tranquil violet
I've been trying it out at min level and it's hard but not too hard
I still generally get to the champions and then die
But yeah 50% would be way easier
empty field
even disregarding the health penalty, the kit just feels unsatisfying to use. if i had 100% of my life i'd still probably be meh on this
tranquil violet
Firework with Poseidon and Hermes boons is fun
orchid marlin
Ik the opposite. I love the kit but hate the health penalty. Even at 50% I feel like it's pretty hard
tranquil violet
Hitbox is larger than it looks
Charges really fast and does quite a bit of damage
empty field
special becomes unusable, combo becomes mediocre, to bring an unusable skill up to barely passable with the life leech ontop of it
tranquil violet
Combo is worse yeah but it's otherwise good imo
And combo might be better with some hammers I haven't tried
Athena atk is hilarious
Reflect everything
empty field
if i want to play vampiric, i feel cursed strike stygius just eats this for breakfast
tranquil violet
The vampiric bit feels kinda incidental
Like it's a nice thing in that rooms with lots of enemies can help you heal in a pinch but
It's not a key part of the toolkit for me
empty field
yeah, but it is literally the point of taking it, i thought. hence the massive hp reduction and worsening of every other aspect of the kit.
oh wow i already had the quick spin charge from the first hammer, too. forgot i had it. jesus.
cunning urchin
Worsening every other aspect? Hardly.
empty field
yeah. i dunno. maybe guan yu is just for better players than me
i'm just not seeing it
cunning urchin
I wrote some tips for Guan Yu here that might help you. #h1-high-heat-strategies message
Explosive Launcher is one of the best hammers for Varatha, and Guan Yu effectively has that from the start + piercing.
tranquil violet
Charged Skewer is fun
cunning urchin
If the other spears feel good, it's only because they received massive buffs in the last early access patch before 1.0 to bring them up to Guan Yu's level.
It takes some skill to clear fast with the aspect. It's high risk, high reward. But you can also do a spin build with Divine Strike. That's a lot safer, just slower.
You can charge the spin from a Dash-Strike, and you can release the spin with a dash for extra range.
empty field
sure. i mean, i have no reference point for pre 1.0, i only got the game after launch, so i can't comment on the previous state of them. but it just feels worse, and slower, than the other aspects.
Which is exacerbated because the unique thing that sets it apart (in my opinion, anyway), the thing that drew me to it - the life leech - seems the weakest build for it, based on what you've said there.
it's a disappointing intro to hidden aspects. for the hassle and investment, i guess i just expected a unique payoff.
robust anchor
after doing maxed lq and using sd, i liked guan yu a lot more
cunning urchin
Weak in terms of DPS. I'm pretty sure there are more high heat clears with it that use spin builds than Special builds. It's very safe.
And Chaos Gates are pretty free with it. You can just heal up in the next chamber.
empty field
standing still long enough to charge it feels like a death sentence against the kind of crowd where it shines
again, maybe it's just for more skilled players than me who can pick their shots with it more carefully, or have better positioning/anticipation of enemy moves
robust anchor
dont use jury summons
cunning urchin
Yeah, it's gonna take some practice to play.
robust anchor
its better vs one big guy who is easier to maneuver against and will soak more ticks
cunning urchin
after doing maxed lc and using sd, i liked guan yu a lot more
That's a good tip. Lifesteal is unaffected by LC, so you can use LC4 and still heal just fine.
And SD gives you a lot more effective HP over a run.
I like it for the challenge, and it can really pay off.
I also like running Pierced Butterfly with it.
tranquil violet
I enjoy how "surgical" it feels.
Any particular enemy on screen I can feasibly reach and take out.
The one difficulty is dealing with projectiles. Athena Dash would be nice, but I feel like I could also just git gud
Athena Dash almost feels a bit cheap
robust anchor
lol its called the crutch
obsidian mantle
whats the best gauntlet?
robust anchor
athena in general is so great not just dash
empty field
i can also see myself having a lot of trouble with Asterius And His Friend
robust anchor
most popular fist is demeter
obsidian mantle
what build should I go for
empty field
asterius should be alright, but if His Friend calls the wrong god, oh lord it's gonna be a slaughter
robust anchor
try zeus attack
robust anchor
yes art special
cunning urchin
Divine Strike, Divine Dash, Deadly Flourish or Heartbreak Flourish for Demeter Aspect.
Really though, Divine Strike, Lightning Strike, and Curse of Agony are all great.
But you'll want Deflect on either Dash or Attack.
Build for ME if you're going for Curse of Agony.
For Lightning Strike, either Deadly Flourish and Support Fire or Heartbreak Flourish and Smoldering Air.
stark ore
Been running Achilles aspect for a while but recently fell in love with Eris. Zeus attack and Athena call has been hard-carrying me through the game, and since I run Heartbreak Flourish I can get Smoldering Air pretty easily too. I’ll probably experiment with different builds, but for now I think I got something going on
robust anchor
eris kinda amazing
stark ore
For me it was terrible until Level 4, as soon as I upgraded it to that I started shredding bosses like they’re normal mobs
robust anchor
the mirror that increases atk and spec vs enemies witth a lodged cast
it affects zeus ya?
stark ore
I think so
cunning urchin
It's only added to your aspect's base damage.
robust anchor
i see
stark ore
Tbh I always play aspects with cast/general damage buffs but Poseidon aspect really doesn’t work for me, I’d rather run Hidden Sword or just Achilles if I want raw cast power
tranquil violet
Achilles Spear: you're a wizard Zaggy
I should try a Guan Yu Butterfly run
Feels like that would be fun and I could (despite being a scrub) rack up a decent damage boost early and possibly in Styx if I'm lucky
Plus good practice
stark ore
For me, Guan Yu needs Quick Spin to work otherwise it’s meh at best
placid topaz
yeah same here
tranquil violet
Nah, the charged special
placid topaz
maybe i just suck but a slow spin is not helpful ><
yeah i havent tried building around the special yet
tranquil violet
Quick spin does feel required for good spinning but
Spinning is meh so far
Guan Yu Special is better
With charged shot it's fantastic
placid topaz
sometimes i accidentally get hit and so i dont want to die the 2nd time i get hit so i need to spin every so often, lol
tranquil violet
And with some Hermes boosts to speed it up even better
The thing about the charged shot is that the description is deceptive
What it really accomplishes is twofold
- use your special as a short range aoe jab
- charge it up for long distance with 2-3x multiplied damage
It becomes faster than your normal attack at close range.
(Just no combo.)
It sounds like a long range buff but it's really nice for short range.
Also chaos boon on special is 👌
solid hazel
according to somebody earlier today, Divine strike, Deadly flourish, deadly reversal is the way to make GY good
brittle vault
so, uh, how do you guys build rama?
hearty elbow
While it does make the uncharged spear a whole lot faster, you should still not be looking to be in close range with Charged Skewer lol. It's got like 20 billion range, you should use it.
solid hazel
one of my friends just build tempest strike, sea storm, zeus legendary on lucifer
tranquil violet
Yeah for sure on the range
solid hazel
it seemed okay, but not as good as hestia or eris still
tranquil violet
But it is nice that you get the short range too
But the charged up spear is the best bit
With some good boons it's just a "kill everything in this direction" button
Even if it's really far away
I should try it with distant memory
hearty elbow
so, uh, how do you guys build rama?
@brittle vault Deadly/Heartbreak Strike + Drunken/Thunder/Heartbreak Flourish or Curse of Pain. Aim for basically any attack Hammer that isn't Sniper, or Relentless Volley.
spare flare
Demeter is taken over Gilgamesh, huh? Is it better DPS?
solid hazel
wow I need to go to sleep, he asked about rama and I just told him about lucifer
they share one letter in common
hearty elbow
it seemed okay, but not as good as hestia or eris still
@solid hazel Yep, that's Lucifer in a nutshell
spare flare
They . . . don't share a single letter . . .
tawny meadow
Gilgamesh is worst fist DPS
spare flare
Wow, is it really?
solid hazel
but when else do you get to yell " bear claw"?
glass rapids
Technically the attack dps is the highest
tawny meadow
yeah it's too slow
spare flare
It seems so cool! What a shame . . .
hearty elbow
Gilgamesh is worst fist DPS
@tawny meadow It's worst and best, depending on if you get Merciful End lol
tawny meadow
I mean it's not terrible it's just not like speed running good
solid hazel
why is merciful end better on it? the maim?
hearty elbow
God no hahaha, the quad dashes
solid hazel
oh lol
hearty elbow
And the absurdly fast dash strike animation
spare flare
Seems like the sword, spear, and bow get amazingly powerful hidden aspects, but the rail and fists get shafted. Dunno' about the shield.
solid hazel
I always forget it has extra dashes
glass rapids
If you get blessed with divine flourish, divine dash and merciful end before any difficult room then it's ok
solid hazel
it's just not sexy compared to maiming something
hearty elbow
Gilgamesh is a machine if you get Merciful End. It's pretty much worthless otherwise though.
solid hazel
I had a curse of longing run on it that was probably worse than any other curse of longing run
spare flare
So, the idea is attack, dash, attack, dash, or . . .?
solid hazel
was hitting 1k doom damage on first proc with maim
frail schooner
i wish i could purge daedalus boons in a non rng way
tranquil violet
Merciful End? Is that when you put vodka in the pot before boiling a lobster alive?
frail schooner
cursed slash is so fun until hades
glass rapids
Well the attack hits kinda hard so uh charm people while you're attacking or something
tranquil violet
Any good Dionysus builds for Guan Yu?
hearty elbow
So, the idea is attack, dash, attack, dash, or . . .?
@spare flare nope, just dash strike on loop
solid hazel
I had a friend who used to microwave lobsters live...I think he was a sociopath
tranquil violet
Microwave???!
spare flare
I'm a bit lost. Why are hidden aspects of such inconsistent quality?
solid hazel
apparently it cooks them better
hearty elbow
Dash strike will cause doom to be applied and removed simultaneously
solid hazel
or y'know he just liked watching things suffer
tranquil violet
Jesus Christ
spare flare
Definitely the latter.
tranquil violet
In what world would that cook lobster better
solid hazel
steams it in the shell, doesn't water log it
hearty elbow
I'm a bit lost. Why are hidden aspects of such inconsistent quality?
@spare flare They do a lot more than just slightly modify the base weapon so it takes a lot more effort to get the balance right.
tranquil violet
That doesn't sound like it would work at all.
cunning urchin
Could you not talk about that in builds and combat? 🔫 
solid hazel
uhh I did eat it...it tasted about the same
tranquil violet
spare flare
I see, I see. So, they'll be getting patched, we hope?
lethal chasm
wowo chiron is WILD, used it for first time and shattered my record by almost 4 mins
hearty elbow
Yeah, we hope so.
hearty elbow
Too soon :(
cunning urchin
Fists 4 was added in 1.0, so they didn't really have opportunity to tune it yet.
hearty elbow
I didn't even like this fish until 1.0 lol
tranquil violet
Anyhow yeah, got Dionysus first with Guan Yu
hearty elbow
And Eris didn't catch on until 1.0 so Lucifer was kind of the defacto Lightning Strike Rail. It is now a trash fire
tranquil violet
What du
glass rapids
They still haven't tuned Lucifer
hearty elbow
It slipped under the radar
cunning urchin
I'm pretty sure they've made changes to Lucifer in every patch since they've added it.
barren otter
what did they nerf about it?
hearty elbow
The range, they took 15% and moved it to Flash Fire
cunning urchin
Yeah, the bugs made it difficult to balance. Gotta see how people do with it without the bugs first to not overtune it.
brittle vault
i don't like how lucifer's charge up resets if you hit another enemy with it
cunning urchin
I'm still optimistic it will receive some love. They've listened on everything else.
hearty elbow
It's a very popular and cool aspect
cunning urchin
Chiron was a meme and look it at now in the live version. It's super powerful.
(Too soon? )
spare flare
@tranquil violet Dio dash is unimpressive. Mostly just okay for triggering Privileged Status. Cast is great.
hearty elbow
It's worse than unimpressive. It's actively detrimental
tranquil violet
😂
cunning urchin
16 at common.
tranquil violet
Not yet at least
half crater
16 wth
robust anchor
16dmg pogu
solid hazel
that's like 6 more than divine dash
spare flare
3stronk5me
half crater
oh yeah!
tranquil violet
I just finished a treasure trove and got 69 gold
spare flare
So, Arthur build . . .
tranquil violet
nice
half crater
Divine Dash is OP and dio does more damage
solid hazel
see @half crater gets it
half crater
broken as anything
robust anchor
arthur? try aph attack lol
solid hazel
or maybe dio dash
tranquil violet
Is Arthur + Demeter viable?
spare flare
I'm thinking Heartbreak Strike and a source of another curse for PS.
tranquil violet
I ask mostly because I want to call it Excalibrrrrr
cunning urchin
Drunken Dash is indeed nice for proccing Privileged Status and Bad Influence.
robust anchor
yea sure i guess
wide plover
just tried dio special with rama, and it was pretty easy. I didn't even max out rama, just whittled everything down with hangover
robust anchor
kinda redundant with special but it works
spare flare
Incidentally, I just did my first Arthur run with Frost Strike.
cunning urchin
Bad Influence is amazing.
solid hazel
@tranquil violet it's probably fine, but not optimal
you can probably still win at low heat with just okay builds
spare flare
Heartbreak would've been way better.
frail schooner
the thing that makes hangover slow is cool too
spare flare
Got my PS, though.
frail schooner
cause i always get chill
cunning urchin
But you know what else is great for proccing Privileged Status and Bad Influence and does waaay more damage?
hearty elbow
I had an extremely meme worthy Arthur run with Heartbreak Strike, Curse of Pain, Drunken Dash, Low Tolerance and Curse of Nausea. Pom'd the hell out the dash.
cunning urchin
Dionysus' Aid.
hearty elbow
Still not worth
spare flare
Funnily enough, mostly via Drunken Dash, ahaha.
cunning urchin
And you know what's better than proccing Privileged Status?
solid hazel
how high did you get the hangover damage too @hearty elbow ?
cunning urchin
Family Favorite.
solid hazel
mind blown