h1-builds-and-combat

[unkempt pagoda]

or heart rend, yeah

[primal hazel]

I'd like a damage increases of dots dor stacking over 5/8

[unkempt pagoda]

but usually on heart rend builds, i have something easier i can apply weak with lol

[primal hazel]

Maybe tied to a boon idk

[solid hazel]

How does hang over work from different sources... If you apply one stack of hangover with your special and they dash around then with drunken dash... Does if use your special's hangover damaga, the dash or some combination?

[cunning urchin]

People use Curse of Longing?

[worn citrus]

Do heroic boons ever "drop" naturally?

[primal hazel]

No

[still vigil]

nah

[unkempt pagoda]

only through exchanges or rarity upgraders

[river sable]

only if you replace one of your current boons

[reef galleon]

I used curse of longing

it seemed romantic

[worn citrus]

Ah well

[unkempt pagoda]

rarity upgraders being rare crop or eurydice

[cunning urchin]

@solid hazel stack 1 will be whatever you first applied, stack 2 will be whatever you applied second.

[unkempt zephyr]

The thing is - why use passion dash if you cap your hangover without it in half of second. Sure free dmg, but just why - when tidal dash outdps it and doest have a cap.
Hangover overall is clunky AF, you dont benefit of having multiple skills applying it at all - just waste your slots.
Maybe shorter the duration and increase maximum stack count 🤔
@stuck bobcat you just dont know how use Dio. dio dash amazing. realy i love it alote more than poseidon(but i fanat of poiseidon total.) Dio have amazing boon and synergy. and dash can alone kiil roon with out any ability. and realy fast.

[mighty ermine]

dio dash is... not amazing though

[primal hazel]

I wouldn't say amazing

But serviceable ig

"serviceable"

[reef galleon]

How do you guys remember all the boon names. I only remember Strong Drink and Wave Pounding for obvious reasons.

[unkempt zephyr]

when you dash do 700-1000 crit damage.and every tick critical. i dont know what dash can be better?

[mighty ermine]

also rip to nasty dash. superior name

[stuck bobcat]

@reef galleon after 100h you will remember

xD

[unkempt pagoda]

speaking of names and dio, hangover has had so many name changes lol

[mighty ermine]

yeah geez

[reef galleon]

@reef galleon after 100h you will remember
@stuck bobcat I have 200

[solid hazel]

@reef galleon i just make up the name and hope nobody notices

[unkempt pagoda]

first it was blight wine, then it was poison, then it was sick, and now it's hangover

[reef galleon]

@solid hazel that's a great idea actually

[mighty ermine]

i remember sick throwing me off especially lol

you could tell it wasn't going to settle there

[plain violet]

I hit 126.3 hours today

[stuck bobcat]

Hangover is funny, but for oursider Posion has clear image

[plain violet]

1 steam acheivement left, but the boss fight won't pop up lol

[unkempt pagoda]

should've stayed blight wine tbh

[plain violet]

|| charon || specifcially

any tips on that? I think it's just any random mid shop, yeah?

[unkempt pagoda]

poison had the unfortunate trait of being the same name as the styx gimmick

[unkempt zephyr]

im already not one time show not even ideal build when Dio do insane damage. and source of it can be dash too. becaus.

[reef galleon]

@reef galleon i just make up the name and hope nobody notices
Do you guys prefer Ares' Two Towers to Sneaky Bush from Artemis?

[plain violet]

styx gimmick?

[mighty ermine]

i like blight wine but as a name for describing the enemy affliction itself instead of what's causing that affliction, i think hangover is better

[cunning urchin]

Heroic Drunken Dash Lv.1 does 36 base damage. Common Tidal Dash Lv.1 does 35 base damage.

[stuck bobcat]

Food Poisoning

[primal hazel]

Cyanide

[reef galleon]

Why does Dionysus provide cyanide....

[unkempt pagoda]

i like blight wine but as a name for describing the enemy affliction itself instead of what's causing that affliction, i think hangover is better
then i would accept "blighted" >:V

[unkempt zephyr]

||https://www.dropbox.com/s/efth8ewod5kvoec/Gun Dio Art Ares.mp4?dl=0 || its dio damage.dash do same numbers. and i dont have +50-100% damage from Boon in 3 enemy have hangover.and its not ideal or goo build

[plain violet]

I think hangover is more thematic

imo

[primal hazel]

Make it drunk
In a weird font

[plain violet]

my favorite is ||dio not even remembering half of what happened at the feast ||

[stuck bobcat]

While using Hangover build you are actually a good guy.
Spraying so much wine on tormented souls in literally Hell

[unkempt pagoda]

i like the humor factor in that you're making souls so hungover that they literally die

[stuck bobcat]

Btw - it must stink AF

[plain violet]

so like when they die...what happens?

[reef galleon]

With rail 4th aspect you literally shower them with wine

[unkempt pagoda]

you're spreading alcoholism as your main source of damage

[plain violet]

like is there just a parade of everyone you kill going up to your dad's desk?

[stuck bobcat]

Homeless guy simulator

[plain violet]

isn't everyone already dead?

[mighty ermine]

its dio damage.dash do same numbers.
it doesn't because drunken dash innately has a lower hangover value to start with across all rarities compared to both strike and flourish

[primal hazel]

Cruel
You make people alcoholics

They're shades

Don't try to put them on tho

[stuck bobcat]

Still - they are having party of their life - each run of Dio build

It was worth it

[unkempt zephyr]

it doesn't because drunken dash innately has a lower hangover value to start with across all rarities compared to both strike and flourish
@mighty ermine BUT only if you use poms in dash. dash its instrument for peer boon. like poseidon dash instrument for breaking wave.

[primal hazel]

Getting wasted with dad

Classic

[mighty ermine]

pouring all your poms into drunken dash just seems like a poor investment in my eyes, compared to what you could be doing otherwise

[cunning urchin]

I guess my main reasons to not take Drunken Dash are (1) it's not Divine Dash, and (2) it's not Dionysus' Aid.

[plain violet]

dio aid is good?

ehhhhh

[mighty ermine]

extremely

[plain violet]

I usually go for artemis aid

[primal hazel]

Yes

[reef galleon]

a lot of damage afaik

[plain violet]

or athena aid

[primal hazel]

Dio is good dmg

[mighty ermine]

with dio call you want to use lesser constantly

[plain violet]

oh it's good for the smaller?

[cunning urchin]

Artemis' Aid is bottom tier. Dionysus' Aid is top tier.

[plain violet]

but like artemis aid just nukes bosses

[stuck bobcat]

Wait, does using Poms on Dio skills actually enchances enemies which... injects wine?

[primal hazel]

Does it tho

[plain violet]

like it carried me through my last em4 run

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[mighty ermine]

so does aphro call but at least aphro lessers are useful

[unkempt zephyr]

Artemis' Aid is bottom tier. Dionysus' Aid is top tier.
@cunning urchin When you look my video you change your mind)

[plain violet]

did like half of hades health

[unkempt zephyr]

Belive me)

[cunning urchin]

You'll do a lot more damage to bosses with Dionysus' Aid.

[plain violet]

multiple times

[primal hazel]

Artemis lesser is big trash

[plain violet]

plus it can clear rooms for stuff far away

[primal hazel]

100 damage arrow nice

[plain violet]

I only use it maxed

[primal hazel]

Other calls can room clear better than artemis imo

[plain violet]

yeah but hers nukes bosses big time

[mighty ermine]

again, so does aphro greater

[primal hazel]

Eh

[plain violet]

like instant thesus and minotaur at half

[mighty ermine]

but aphro lessers are useful

[primal hazel]

Aphro greater is better than that I think

[plain violet]

true but apphro doesn't have room clear

admiteddly I prefer poseidon call

because it has protection

[primal hazel]

Neither does artemis kappa

[mighty ermine]

i'd say charming an enemy to do huge damage to others is plenty good at room clearing

[plain violet]

and athenas

[primal hazel]

Most of the time I use greater it hits one enemy

[plain violet]

because it has protection

[primal hazel]

And that's it

[plain violet]

i'm seeing a pattern where athena is just good

[primal hazel]

It's unreliable imo

[plain violet]

[cunning urchin]

Artemis Aid Greater Call damage at Lv.1 is less than Aphrodite's Aid.

[stuck bobcat]

Does anyone clear room with call? 😩

[cunning urchin]

And way less than Poseidon's Aid or Zeus' Aid.

[plain violet]

but the crit

artemis' has crit

[mighty ermine]

dio and zeus, especially with smoldering, can easily, sure

[primal hazel]

Poseidon go brrrr in rooms

[plain violet]

so depending on the build is more dmg

[primal hazel]

Crit is better on literally everything else

[plain violet]

poseidons is better though yeah

[mighty ermine]

and yeah rip current trivializes normal encounters with poseidon call

[still vigil]

i kinda forget to use the call until hades

[primal hazel]

In the end it's still your preference obvs

[plain violet]

I want a run where every boon is athena

like for science

[cunning urchin]

Lol Lord Zeus has Billowing Strength and Smoldering Air. Screw her crit call.

[primal hazel]

It feels eh

[still vigil]

@plain violet it's beautiful

especially on melee

[plain violet]

do you take the melee reflect? or mainly the dash/cast?

[pallid dagger]

since the feedback channel is gone

[plain violet]

I feel like the melee reflect is never as good as I want it to be

[primal hazel]

Mainly dash

[plain violet]

same for the special

[pallid dagger]

i guess spread fire for the rail is never going to get boosted huh?

[primal hazel]

Attacks only on builds

ME

[still vigil]

i use it both on melee and dash

[plain violet]

with arthur I guess it'd be good

[stuck bobcat]

So what's the worst call 🤔
Demeter?

[primal hazel]

I think spread fire is powerful

[still vigil]

cause blinding flash does exist @plain violet

[plain violet]

demeter call is good on high heat I think

[frail schooner]

i like demeter call

[primal hazel]

Demeter is bad

Call

[cunning urchin]

@pallid dagger get boosted? It used to be completely broken lol.

[primal hazel]

But I like it

[pallid dagger]

It's fun to use, but you still gotta hold still while you use it, and it still doesn't stagger enemies, which is bad cuz you gotta get right up in their face now.

[cunning urchin]

It's still very strong now.

[pallid dagger]

i'm putting out great damage but getting my ass kicked in turn

[unkempt zephyr]

But I like it
@primal hazel find arctic blast to aid.

if wana use Demeter aid good. find arctic blast.

[still vigil]

which means that exposed can stay up 100% of the time cause yer always up in their face

[stuck bobcat]

||of course artemis call is worst one||

[primal hazel]

[cunning urchin]

Exposed won't do anything if you're always up in their face, though.

[fickle summit]

I just tried 4th aspect spear and lost a death defiance in Asphodel, what is the benefit of this thing anyways?

[plain violet]

it has healing

and I think the special does good dmg if I recall

but mainly the innate healing

[worn citrus]

Is smoldering air worth picking if my call is aphro?

[cunning urchin]

The benefit is silly good Special damage.

[primal hazel]

It's very good
But you need to max

Also it hates me

[cunning urchin]

@worn citrus yes.

[plain violet]

the 4th spear is very hard to use unmaxed

[cunning urchin]

Always.

[worn citrus]

I'm guessing I can't charm the boss though?

[stuck bobcat]

Imo it needs a rework of some sort
-50% HP is way to painfull

[plain violet]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[cunning urchin]

@worn citrus you can.

[primal hazel]

You can charm boss

[fickle summit]

Yeah it's crazy how punishing it is

[worn citrus]

Wha

Holy crap

[pallid dagger]

you use the guan yu spear for the firework throw, not the healing

[primal hazel]

But it does nothing for you

With most bosses

[fickle summit]

And honestly the special damage isn't amazing for how slow the special itself is.

[worn citrus]

Ok thanks

[pallid dagger]

just gotta get strong enough to blast enemies before they blast you

[still vigil]

ig cause I use gilgamesh dash strike combo all the time that i see Exposed damage a lot more than usual

[plain violet]

just use hades spear

imo

[pallid dagger]

alright, nevermind calls
who here has weapons they just don't like

[fickle summit]

But what if I have to win with 4th aspect spear

[plain violet]

you just have to escape, you don't even have to beat dad

[cunning urchin]

@fickle summit I wrote some Guan Yu tips here that might help. #h1-high-heat-strategies message

[tranquil violet]

Glass cannon builds are great for not taking damage

[primal hazel]

Spear

[mighty ermine]

counterpoint: talk about weapons you really do like

[stuck bobcat]

Now compare 4th spear to Arthur - which does bonkers damage and has no drawbacks - you can just stand and mash attack

[still vigil]

i dont like the shield tbh

[tranquil violet]

You learn quickly to not get hit

[primal hazel]

I can play apear

I win runs

But I don't want to

[plain violet]

I don't like poseidon aspect

[primal hazel]

Poseidon is awesome

[still vigil]

chaos is the worst offender to me

[primal hazel]

Wtf

[plain violet]

also not a huge fan of chaos or the 4th fist aspect

[primal hazel]

Shotgun shield

[plain violet]

I know maim is "good" but the punch is too slow for me

[primal hazel]

Captain america on steroids

[pallid dagger]

gonna be real, the spear as a whole is weak for me

i've never been able to make use of the achilles or hades aspects without making a fool of myself

[plain violet]

hades makes spear OP

[primal hazel]

Punch of gilga has decent stun tho

[cunning urchin]

Maim sucks lol.

[pallid dagger]

i tried with guan yu, man, i really tried
that health drain stuff is bs

[plain violet]

since the mark is a huge increase in dmg

[primal hazel]

Spin is trap

[tranquil violet]

Spear is great.

[mighty ermine]

spin is not at all a trap lol

[fickle summit]

So basically get the special cooldown reduction

[primal hazel]

Pahhj

[mighty ermine]

spin is a valuable tool

[cunning urchin]

Just unmap your Special on Fists 4.

[primal hazel]

Pshhh

I want people not to play spin xD

[tranquil violet]

I mostly use dash-strike into spin if I ever spin...

[plain violet]

with atk speed up fists 4 would work for me

but I just like agility

[tranquil violet]

And it's just to add a hit and clear any grunts nearby

[cunning urchin]

You don't need Charged Skewer on Guan Yu. It's just ideal.

[still vigil]

i agree the punch is super slow on gilga, which is why I press dash and attack at the same time when i use gilga @plain violet

[pallid dagger]

the way i play, anything that requires you to slow down, or worse, sit still....stumbled along the way somewhere
that's basically half the spear aspects thanks to the spin feature.

[stuck bobcat]

Oh so hot takes time?
Chaos shield sucks d lol xD compared to Zeus and Beowulf the shotgun shield is just meh

[plain violet]

slow attacks don't feel great to me

[tranquil violet]

I like spear because it feels fluid to me..

I guess I'm just insane.

[primal hazel]

I don't like spin because charge feels slow

[plain violet]

true if you dash a ton it works

[mighty ermine]

you can be plenty mobile with spins

[primal hazel]

I know you can dash out and in to them

[plain violet]

but it turns off some synergy if you can't attack as rapidly

[fickle summit]

Yea honestly I got the special to 102 right now and it still feels like it's not enough damage to be worth it.

[plain violet]

like hangover I want to apply muchos stacks

[pallid dagger]

at some point along the way, you have to stop, which just doesn't work for me

[primal hazel]

But it's nothing compared to other options for me
I just wanna go brrrr

Same

[cunning urchin]

You can charge your spin from a Dash-Strike, and you can release your spin with a dash for extra range.

[mighty ermine]

it's far from nothing when it applies a powerful debuff like with hades

[plain violet]

plus the demeter special nuke is just beautiful

[primal hazel]

As I tried to imply with the "for me" I'm not trying to say its a fact

[unkempt zephyr]

Maim sucks lol.
@cunning urchin That feeling when my miam do 2k+ damage 🤔

[stuck bobcat]

Shhh

[pallid dagger]

Maim sucks.

[spiral tree]

gy gives a valuable button config change that no other aspect of spear does

[pallid dagger]

clunky as hell, way too slow to matter.

[spiral tree]

@cunning urchin yup you said it

[mighty ermine]

i mean, it's a discussion. i'm basically saying it's significant for my own playstyle in response lol

[fickle summit]

Yea I lost to Hydra

[plain violet]

rip

[stuck bobcat]

Oof

[cunning urchin]

@unkempt zephyr but 100% that's a bug lol.

[spiral tree]

after you charge spin and dash then release and immediately hold attack again it immediately starts charging spin this ONLY works for GY

[plain violet]

I bring bouldy because I like having a "please give me hp" button

[unkempt zephyr]

@unkempt zephyr but 100% that's a bug lol.
@cunning urchin Nope i just buff it)

[pallid dagger]

genuinely did not see maim hit even once on anything except a boss
it never, ever landed before the enemy had been killed by other means.

[plain violet]

it's saved me so many times

[pallid dagger]

and it's totally un-buffable, it's static, you can't improve it at all.

[spiral tree]

for all other aspects of spear you have to manually press the attack button after a spin to charge it again

[plain violet]

any weapon where I can hold down the attack button I like

[spiral tree]

that saves valuable time

[pallid dagger]

Man I love Hades and I love Supergiant's work, but those final aspects.... all of them are "big and strong but slow" which is like...............what part of the game told you I wanted to play that way. WHICH PART.

[spiral tree]

it's a super overlooked benefit of guan yu I don't see anyone talking about

[primal hazel]

Not all of them

[still vigil]

if i use ever maim it's fer the debuff to empower my attacks . never fer the final burst sadly

[spiral tree]

charging spin and using it consecutively is much faster and easier for GY than other aspects

[fickle summit]

It's probably just a personal issue because I can do Hydra damageless with bow or rail but the moment I switch to any other weapon I take insane damage for trying to approach.

[tranquil violet]

@pallid dagger big and strong and slow require that you know enemy patterns well enough to trade off maneuverability

[plain violet]

rail 4th aspect is not slow

[mighty ermine]

the game doesn't necessarily revolve around your tastes, shrug

[tranquil violet]

It's like playing greatsword in old MH

[spiral tree]

I have only used rail once

[plain violet]

no my opinion is fact and that's a fact /s

[pallid dagger]

@tranquil violet that sounds nice and neat but when actually playing the game, you're reacting, not planning

[spiral tree]

still focusing on arthur for now

I have no reason to use anything else till I get to higher heats

[tranquil violet]

@pallid dagger sure, but as you play more and more of any game of this sort your reflexes get better

In that you pay better attention to enemies around you and what your next move will be

[mighty ermine]

agreed with mimic, it's a solid analogy actually, as an avid monhun player

[spiral tree]

yeah it's crazy how much I've improved @tranquil violet

[tranquil violet]

Rather than starting out you're just trying to kill each enemy

[plain violet]

anyone else trying to max both sides of the mirror so they can toggle at will and not use keys?

[primal hazel]

Nope

[plain violet]

I maxed one side and am halfway through the other

[tranquil violet]

@mighty ermine i played longsword like a scrub for so long but couldn't get through some solo areanas... until I finally spent a while gitting gud with greatsword

[primal hazel]

Some greens aren't worth it imo

[spiral tree]

I got the game what like 3 weeks ago it took me 30 runs to clear it once, then after that the only issue I had was a group of great shields, now my only issue is EM4 hades

[unkempt pagoda]

already done

[cobalt field]

do keys have any function, when you have fully unlocked the mirror?

[plain violet]

the bottom one I'll probably skip for green

[cunning urchin]

Already maxed both sides, yeah.

[cobalt field]

except trading?

[primal hazel]

Cosmetic and trades

[spiral tree]

I feel I won't have as hard a time on higher heats

[unkempt pagoda]

late-game cosmetic stuff, and ranks

[spiral tree]

but EM4....

halp lol

[pallid dagger]

Maybe I'm saying this wrong--nevermind that specific playstyle. I mean, I hate it, it doesn't work, and ew...but more broadly, I'm probably gonna stick with the lesser aspects that give static boosts rather than a "cool but with drawbacks" approach.

[cobalt field]

oh okay

I am not that far yet

[plain violet]

even on 10 heat em4 is rough XD

[primal hazel]

The bottom one should be green

[spiral tree]

I dont want to take EM4 off it offers so much heat

[hearty elbow]

Weird but good example would be fishing. I've done it enough times at this point that I have a very strong intuition for when the bobber will actually sink. There's a fairly small subset of bob permutations and it doesn't feel like I'm reacting to anything anymore. A lot in the game can be played that way.

[fickle summit]

Those enemies in Elsyium with the shields are some serious problems and the fact they can spawn in the final fight whhhyyyy

[spiral tree]

I'm on heat 13 EM4

[cobalt field]

so far I can only spend gems and diamonds on the cosmetics

[plain violet]

highest I've managed is only like 16-18 I think

[primal hazel]

@cobalt field you should probably ask on #h1-for-new-players than
This channel has lots of spoilers

[mighty ermine]

@tranquil violet it's really wild how that skill of anticipating, timing, and spacing against an opponent all together that's cultivated in monhun has carried over so easily to hades

[spiral tree]

@cunning urchin ty for the help early on when I first got hades lol

I def feel myself improving a lot and easily avoiding damage now

[plain violet]

I did make it to dad on 32 heat though twice, that was fun

[spiral tree]

hydra is a lot easier than fury sisters

is that a hot take?

[tranquil violet]

@mighty ermine I haven't played MH in a long time but I had probably over a thousand hours on the PSP ones. My left thumb is now permanently hyperflexible at the base point from The Claw.

[primal hazel]

Nah

[plain violet]

well I mean there's lava everywhere

[fickle summit]

Thanks everyone for the help in general, you're all doing great on improving your skill and helping others aswell

[plain violet]

so sounds like a hot take

[spiral tree]

...

[tranquil violet]

No other game has permanently affected my body

[mighty ermine]

@tranquil violet lmao yes the infamous claw, same

[tranquil violet]

Whoops

[spiral tree]

get out murf

[cobalt field]

@primal hazel thing is the last time I asked something there, people told me to post here because spoilers

[spiral tree]

leave

LOOOL

[cobalt field]

I don't really know where to draw the line

[primal hazel]

You can tag spoilers

[still vigil]

merf find the door

[primal hazel]

So you still get anserws

[plain violet]

[cunning urchin]

Perfect catches are so easy and routine, I sometimes have to remind myself to actually look at the screen lol.

[cobalt field]

but spoilers still aren't allowed there

[primal hazel]

They are

[mighty ermine]

common fish are the hardest to get because perfect catches lock them out

the struggle

[spiral tree]

hydra telegraphs and is super slow

fury sisters just cover more of the screen so a little harder to avoid

[cobalt field]

and virtually everything seems to be a spoiler past your first time encounter of Meg

[spiral tree]

but they die faster

[cunning urchin]

@spiral tree I don't remember what I said, but I hope it helped!

[tranquil violet]

Hydra is usually a cakewalk. I do hate the variant that spawns blue skeletons though

The eggs or whatever

[spiral tree]

those die quickly I try to focus them

[primal hazel]

@cobalt field everything past cerberus is spoiler

[plain violet]

with the heat for trap dmg the fight is harder

or with melee

[tranquil violet]

For some reason I struggled with Meg initially, but I never lost to either of her sisters ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[spiral tree]

the only thing that damages me vs hydra is the little random fireballs that pepper the land

[plain violet]

(because range sometimes)

[pallid dagger]

Alecto? Alecto. 😡

[fickle summit]

Tisiphone is kinda the worst one just because the arena shrinking wastes time

[cunning urchin]

@cobalt field huh? Final boss and anything past the first clear is spoilers in #h1-for-new-players.

[tranquil violet]

Alecto really isn't that bad imo?

[spiral tree]

If anyone can link me an EM4 hades boss fight guide ty lol

[primal hazel]

If you don't. Safe about spoilers it's no problems obvs

[plain violet]

just take divine dash and win

ez

[spiral tree]

phase 3 hades kills me soo fast compared to the other 2

[pallid dagger]

she is on forced overtime

[tranquil violet]

Yeah if you have Divine Dash then Alecto is... yeah lol

[pallid dagger]

i've had FO on forever and refuse to take it off, otherwise i might get rusty.

[tranquil violet]

Just a total joke

[plain violet]

let the boss kill themselves lol

unless on timed I spose

[spiral tree]

or better yet athena attack on arthur kills alecto in like 3 hits

[plain violet]

I need to try that still

[pallid dagger]

whether you body her or she bodies you, she will eventually double in speed and strength at some point during the fight

i can do tisiphone and meg no problem, but alecto always bites back

[cunning urchin]

Imo FO2 below 40 Heat is adding a lot of unnecessary difficulty.

[spiral tree]

its amazing, between aura slow and athena deflect and the wide hitbox of arthur attacks the whole game is a cakewalk except hades himself @plain violet

easily the best build I found so far

[plain violet]

what pairs best with that?

athena +?

[spiral tree]

art!

[cunning urchin]

Enraged is x1.5 speed. It's not double.

[pallid dagger]

it's less to think about than struggling with things that seriously affect my playstyle like approval process or underworld customs

[cunning urchin]

Wait no, that's Speeder.

[pallid dagger]

routine inspection, etc.

[spiral tree]

artemis on special @plain violet so you get deadly reversal which makes you have higher chance to crit after deflecting....but if all your attacks deflect then basically you always critting lol

passion dash too

for heart rend

[cunning urchin]

Enraged is 0.8x delay between attacks.

[pallid dagger]

i'll take a straight challenge debuff over things that make the game less fun

[spiral tree]

approval process is the time debuff right?

beat the game in under 27 mins?

[hearty elbow]

No, it's the one that crosses boons off

Boons, Hammers, Poms, Chaos

[pallid dagger]

approval process is the one that cuts one of your choices when getting boons, hammers, etc.
underworld customs forces you to purge a boon to move on.

routine inspection deactivates mirror talents.

[spiral tree]

due to arthurs slow attacks I feel beating the game under a time limit will be tough

haven tried that one yet

[hearty elbow]

TD3 is very straightforward with Arthur if you don't have JS or DC active

[spiral tree]

if I can master beating EM4 hades then I'll be streaking prob all the way to heat 20+

[cosmic jacinth]

does the rama bow have the rapid fire arrows but you cant power shot?

[spiral tree]

this roadblock is just tough

[cosmic jacinth]

i mean the hammer

[mighty ermine]

no

[hearty elbow]

does the rama bow have the rapid fire arrows but you cant power shot?
@cosmic jacinth No

[cosmic jacinth]

awww

[cunning urchin]

TD3 with any aspect is straightforward if you're not using JS etc.

[spiral tree]

I hate how dark the screen gets in phase 3

[mighty ermine]

but rama power shots are the best part

[pallid dagger]

honestly i'm hovering at 18-19 heat, which really feels annoyingly difficult to me. buuuuut if i let up, i get no more bounties and i get rusty.

[hearty elbow]

Ahhh, too many threads, DM'ing Caitlin again lol, she said this wouldn't happen anymore x_x

[cobalt field]

@cunning urchin @primal hazel well then I am right that asking what I can do with the keys past spending it all on the mirror is a spoiler, or not?

[cosmic jacinth]

what is the best cast build? is the demetar Poseidon one gud

[pallid dagger]

demeter poseidon?

[cosmic jacinth]

the duo of shard cast thingy

[primal hazel]

@cobalt field It's kind of spoilers but you can spoiler tag In new player

Like || on both sides

[pallid dagger]

i think i tried that once and didn't like it. can barely remember it.

[cunning urchin]

Asking is not a spoiler lol. But there are things you can do very late in end game that require keys.

[cosmic jacinth]

i like keys give me diamonds after getting them alot and in game very useful stuff

[pallid dagger]

I looove getting flurry shot right out the gate
yes, yes, it powers me up

[cosmic jacinth]

flurry shot?

[pallid dagger]

speedy bow and arrow

no charging

[cosmic jacinth]

wait the no charge for bow

i wish rama had it ;-;

[pallid dagger]

same man same

[cosmic jacinth]

also i had recently realised that ares duo with arte is kinda broken with five casts and doing 37 damage per cast

[stuck bobcat]

Did someone just said Rama
Best aspect for me - maybe not the strongerst, but it fills my "sniper" archetype.
Those 1k+ hits with strong shot hammer

Why do people try to use special focused build on it though

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[pallid dagger]

you can have explosive shot or twin shot on rama, which slow it down so much as to be painful, but you're disallowed any speed upgrades to counter it.

[cosmic jacinth]

wait u cant get attack speed up from herms?

[pallid dagger]

you might be able to, but i don't think i ever ran across swift strike on rama runs? or if i did, it was super rare and only available at common rarity.

[cosmic jacinth]

dammit i thats why i cant find it

[solid hazel]

You can get swift strike on Rama, I did yesterday

[pallid dagger]

i just wanna blast things efficiently, supergiant

[cosmic jacinth]

why is it so rare then??

[mighty ermine]

you can get it on rama just fine

[solid hazel]

Rngesus hates you

It's okay though he hates everybody

[cunning urchin]

Rama has no effect on any boon rarities or whatever.

[cosmic jacinth]

im not used to him hating me especially in isaac

[pallid dagger]

someone will need to DM me when they fix Twin Shot

I am still mad about that 😠

[cosmic jacinth]

what u mean by twin shot needing fix

[plain violet]

hades actually made me wanna go play more isaac

[stuck bobcat]

Rama is love, rama is life
It's like Arthur but ranged. SHOOT THOSE EXCALIBURS DUMMY

[plain violet]

since I never did everything in that game

[cunning urchin]

Twin Shot is working as intended.

[cosmic jacinth]

isaac made me want to play hades again XD

nya

[plain violet]

hades combat is far better though imo

[solid hazel]

@plain violet wants to stop playing the game full of beautiful immortals to the one with naked babies... Got it

[cosmic jacinth]

can u give me a good cast build and not ares cast build XD

[pallid dagger]

twin shot shortens the range for the bow in exchange for the double damage
but it takes the same amount of time to charge to half the max range. which kills the whole thing for me. i swear that's a nerf they implemented.

[plain violet]

lol that's one way to phrase it

[cobalt field]

does empowering flight empower my bullrush after I specialled?

with the shield

[pallid dagger]

yes

[cunning urchin]

Me? Give you a good cast build?

[cosmic jacinth]

yes

[cobalt field]

siiick

[cosmic jacinth]

i dont do much of em

[stuck bobcat]

Isnt twin disabled for rama?

[cosmic jacinth]

nope

[cunning urchin]

I don't play cast builds lol.

[stuck bobcat]

Damn you RNGESUS

[mighty ermine]

shortening the time for twin shot to reach its power shot compared to normal would be wildly unbalanced lol

[pallid dagger]

it's not. i got it plenty of times.
rama was unfortunately the first bow i got twin shot on when i picked hades back up

it was not pleasant.

[solid hazel]

Yeah i was listening to an npr interview where Issac was the topic and the interviewer waz like Isaac after birth... Is that a typo?

[cosmic jacinth]

XD im just asking because i did a chain saw man build by accident last night

[cunning urchin]

Chainsaw Man is great.

[plain violet]

chainsaw?

[cosmic jacinth]

aah yes the ares tracking cast with 5 casts and 37 damage

that was my chainsaw man

[plain violet]

oh yeah the new ones afterbirth I think but they're doing another expansion again I think

ares cast is a blast

[cosmic jacinth]

well likes say that hades was not having fun

[cunning urchin]

Unless you count Shield 4 + Passion Flare as a cast build.

Then do that lol.

[stuck bobcat]

Twin rama with strongshot hammer
Holy Hades, try to run some rama today

[cunning urchin]

With Infernal Soul.

[cosmic jacinth]

shield four passion cast??

[cunning urchin]

Yes.

[cosmic jacinth]

oh hidden aspect passion?

[cunning urchin]

Yes.

[cosmic jacinth]

aaah

[pallid dagger]

i saw a victory boast from some dude who played rama with explosive shot and twin shot

like damn dude how did you not get totally shredded

[cosmic jacinth]

i feel bad for how long it took him

[hearty elbow]

Combo is legit. Point blank range nukes

[cosmic jacinth]

u shread im guessing

[pallid dagger]

you still have to charge it for significant damage, though

[stuck bobcat]

5k crits but you chaaaaaaaarge and chaaarge

[hearty elbow]

Lol no

You barely have to charge it at all

[stuck bobcat]

Doesnt rama have realy big damage multiplier on strong charge?

[cosmic jacinth]

who has had the Poseidon demetar duo cast is it good

[mighty ermine]

rama power shots are incredibly worth it aside from explosive, yes

[solid hazel]

It is good

[hearty elbow]

Though I will say it shines particularly with Deadly Strike, since it synergizes well with the huge % increase from Explosive

[solid hazel]

It is known

[stuck bobcat]

@cosmic jacinth it's great. You can have multihits on most enemies

[hearty elbow]

I wouldn't really consider Explosive over any of the million other great attack hammers if I wasn't Deadly Strike

[cosmic jacinth]

aaah

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, it really shines with 100% crit chance Deadly Strike.

[pallid dagger]

where the hell y'all getting 100% crit chance from

[mighty ermine]

hashtag just test branch things

[pallid dagger]

doesn't deadly strike hover somewhere in 15%-20%?

[cunning urchin]

We put poms on it.

[solid hazel]

@cosmic jacinth a cast build i was successful with was flood shot on posiedon.... Try to get asany of the supporting duos like blizzard shot, mirage shot, maybe even sea storm, and exit wounds is amazing too

[pallid dagger]

uhhh

[cosmic jacinth]

aah XD

[pallid dagger]

i thought poms increased the damage, not the crit rate...

[mighty ermine]

there's a crit bug in the test branch essentially

[cunning urchin]

It's a bug in the current test branch build, yeah.

[pallid dagger]

ohhhh

[velvet sandal]

"I'm gonna charge this bow, and in about 3 minutes you're gonna be in a WORLD of hurt."

[turbid needle]

what will happen if i keep dying to meg? she is really hard
im at the point where they saw how weak i was because i kept dying and they gived me this speacil power where i can call them

[stuck bobcat]

I usually take artemis special on rama for Hunter's Mark. Then proceed with Aphro Attack on marked target. Works most of the time

[cunning urchin]

Poms will raise your crit chance. Put 4–5 poms on it, and you'll have 100% crit chance lol.

[solid hazel]

Nothing bad happens from dying a lot @turbid needle

Except maybe low self esteem

[turbid needle]

Nothing bad happens from dying a lot @turbid needle
@solid hazel lol hahaha ok i hope this time meg is weaker because i died to her about 6 times

[pallid dagger]

going for a poseidon run on hera aspect

his epic-level cast was not as overcranked as i had hoped but i'm sure some poms and buffs will fix that

wish me luck

[stuck bobcat]

Go for demeter duo

[hearty elbow]

"I'm gonna charge this bow, and in about 3 minutes you're gonna be in a WORLD of hurt."
@velvet sandal You're describing #JustRamaThings from Blood Price lol

[solid hazel]

I've heard people take anywhere from 20 to 100 runs to get their first win @turbid needle...just play it at your own pace

[velvet sandal]

Exactly.

[turbid needle]

k thanks

[stuck bobcat]

It's rogue lite
You will get stronger with each run - invest in mirror

Then hera bow i think? It's 1 point wonder

[velvet sandal]

I took like 31 to get my first win

Keep on keepin' on.

[solid hazel]

If there is only one enemy on screen can hunter mark ever proc?

[stuck bobcat]

Nope

[solid hazel]

K that's what I thought

[pallid dagger]

i love. this damn. hera bow.
especially what it does to wringers.
the ultimate "back off, thot" button.

[solid hazel]

Why does Artemis hate privledged status?

Is it part of her loner identity?

The original antiestablishment goddess

[exotic silo]

Best special for chaos shield?

i feel like dio or zeus would be strong

[solid hazel]

Lol I'd answer but I have to no clue

[sullen valley]

I don’t know if there’s any special that wouldnt pair well with it

[solid hazel]

Zeus has the 0.2 internal cool down... So if you shotgun 5 shields into one enemy you'll only get one bolt

[exotic silo]

yeah true

[solid hazel]

But if it bounces and comes back it'll get more bolts

[exotic silo]

it's good at midrange though

[hearty elbow]

It was a lot better in Blood Price where the shields went in 5 completely different directions, ricochet'd, then returned, so their collisions would always be staggered

[solid hazel]

It is probably the biggest percentage increase though

[hearty elbow]

Since they hit vaguely at the same time now, it's considerably worse

[exotic silo]

yeah and now they have set paths

[solid hazel]

Cuz each individual shield does not hit for all that much damage

[exotic silo]

i'll just run it and see what hhappens lol

[solid hazel]

When I ran Dio, shotfunning it was great

Hitting 5 enemies with 1 proc of hangover was not so great haha

[hearty elbow]

Maybe Doom or Dio then?

[solid hazel]

Doom hitting tons of enemies pretty good, shotgunning meh

But yeah that's why I have no clue... It feels like almost every boon that special depends if you want single target or aoe

And the answer is you want both... So it's awkward

So maybe just take aphro and be mediocre at both

[pallid dagger]

alright,

i gotta confession to make

dionysus my man, i'm sorry, but poseidon's cast is way better than yours. at least for hera bow.

that was, without a doubt, the most boss run i have ever had
every single thing that stood in my way got trashed in nanoseconds. I am a very happy man right now.

[tranquil violet]

Unsure how dislodge (Poseidon sword) + exit wounds would work with Stygian soul

But afraid to ruin a run trying it out

Should probably stick to infernal soul yeah?

[solid hazel]

I believe it still just procs damage but nothing pops out

[turbid needle]

They take a burst of damage.

[tranquil violet]

Ah okay so it does still proc

[solid hazel]

But infernal is just way better on Poisedon aspect most of the time

[tranquil violet]

But wouldn't work with exit wounds?

Since they don't get dislodged?

[hearty elbow]

They do get dislodged, they jsut don't drop on the ground

[tranquil violet]

Well I'll just try it out

[solid hazel]

They get dislodged and then disappear into the aether

BTW I just saw that the Charon well item was called aether net the other day... Was tickled

[tranquil violet]

Unsure how I want to build Poseidon sword (first time)

Got Poseidon starting boon w tempest strike and flood shot so I could take a few directions

[hearty elbow]

BTW I just saw that the Charon well item was called aether net the other day... Was tickled
@solid hazel I only just learned last week that Dusa's name is a pun (Maid)

[tranquil violet]

Flood Shot is great though

[solid hazel]

I really like flood shot with exit wounds and then tons of supporting duos, blizzard shot, mirage shot, and maybe seastorm

[tranquil violet]

Well let's give this a (flood) shot

[onyx parcel]

Eris is so insanely strong

It’s crazy

One of my fav aspect just cause how strong and easy it is

[solid hazel]

@hearty elbow I think I saw that on reddit last week too haha

And apparently she gets pissed off if you use Athenas aid at the same time as Medusa summon

Since Athena was the one that cursed her in some versions of the myth

[hearty elbow]

Lol, small touches

So good

[solid hazel]

Which... Yknow I'm not complaining

[lean knot]

[solid hazel]

Greek myths not kid friendly

[mighty ermine]

hey, that kind of stuff is kind of not supposed to be discussed here, despite the game's setting

just a heads up

[hearty elbow]

One of my fav aspect just cause how strong and easy it is
@onyx parcel I mean, I'm part of the same bandwagon but it's kind of mindblowing how much hate and adoration this aspect is getting 1.0, considering that it is effectively the same as it was pre-1.0

And hasn't actually changed in a very long time.

[solid hazel]

Oops sorry I will delete

[still vigil]

hyper sprint or quick recovery on gilgamesh?

[onyx parcel]

@onyx parcel I mean, I'm part of the same bandwagon but it's kind of mindblowing how much hate and adoration this aspect is getting 1.0, considering that it is effectively the same as it was pre-1.0
@hearty elbow why’s it getting hate

[hearty elbow]

Because it's good

[onyx parcel]

hyper sprint or quick recovery on gilgamesh?
@still vigil recovery probably

Because it’s good
@hearty elbow eris: suffering from success

I need to get hazard bomb for prophecy

Should I just play zag rail

[hearty elbow]

People are wont to picture all systems as zero sum, so they think that for their favorite aspects to get attention, it has to come at the expense of the current best options

I do not think Eris is significantly better than the competitive options

[onyx parcel]

It’s a pretty brain dead aspect

I ain’t even gonna lie

[mighty ermine]

people used to think hestia was not worth using, if you can believe it

[onyx parcel]

Like u just hold it down, and dash around

[mighty ermine]

worked the same then as it does now

[solid hazel]

I could mess it up

[hearty elbow]

people used to think hestia was not worth using, if you can believe it
@mighty ermine Lol, this was Eris a month ago

[mighty ermine]

exactly

[onyx parcel]

Hestia actually good?

[mighty ermine]

very

[solid hazel]

I took rocket special on Eris and realized I can't get my damage buff half the time now

[onyx parcel]

Don’t see how it’s versatile compared to eris

[mighty ermine]

not at the same level as eris

[onyx parcel]

Seems like eris just does bigger dps overall

[hearty elbow]

I remember us, in the high heat discord, musing when bablo I think? Hit 46 seeded with Eris. We thought, "huh, maybe this aspect isn't that bad"

[mighty ermine]

nothing is

[onyx parcel]

I took rocket special on Eris and realized I can’t get my damage buff half the time now
@solid hazel u can, easily

Faster, actually

[mighty ermine]

but if you slap on heartbreak strike, reload to empower constantly, and don't take DC, you're golden

[onyx parcel]

Face towards a wall or get in melee range of an enemy

but if you slap on heartbreak strike, reload to empower constantly, and don’t take DC, you’re golden
@mighty ermine is hestia playstyle just a sniper rifle

[hearty elbow]

EM4 is worth 4 heat though, and nothing shreks EM4 harder than Hestia

[onyx parcel]

Like one shot, reload, repeat

[mighty ermine]

yes essentially

but you can do it pretty fast

[onyx parcel]

EM4 is worth 4 heat though, and nothing shreks EM4 harder than Hestia
@hearty elbow damn really??

[solid hazel]

I agree with Rama here... Hestia amazing at em4

[onyx parcel]

Maybe I should try hestia for the hazard bomb prophecy

[hearty elbow]

Yeah, that's true for every boss in the game

[mighty ermine]

ledger has become rama

[hearty elbow]

I have ascended

[solid hazel]

Is that what the bar means?

[hearty elbow]

Lol, no, it's a joke tag

[solid hazel]

No Eris for hazard bomb

Best synergy

[still vigil]

i'm late to the party but i didnt realize how well athena and aphrodite work on melee weapons together

[solid hazel]

What specifically about those two?

Surely you're not talking about parting shot

[still vigil]

nah

[onyx parcel]

Have u tried merciful end

Gelata

[still vigil]

im talkin about the damage mitigation and damage increase b/w the two

i have not!

i dun mind tryin anything since the game ncourages experimentation with almost everything

[tranquil violet]

Poseidon sword + exit wounds + curse of pain is fun

Spam casts then rush in to space jam slam

[solid hazel]

Yeah not a bad a combo

In case you didt know you can special then dash

Starts the special animation and then nova hits where the dash ends

[tranquil violet]

Oh neat I see

That's very handy indeed

[solid hazel]

Very useful for Poisedon aspect specificallt

And Arthur for that matter..

[tranquil violet]

Seems to reduce the cool down a bit?

Versus normal special

[solid hazel]

And puts i frames on during the kinda vulnerable startup

[still vigil]

ya boi was playin real reckless w/those two on XD

[tranquil violet]

Like I feel like I can dash cancel out of the wind down a bit quicker

[solid hazel]

Maybe...im not sure

[tranquil violet]

smh at Supergiant getting one important thing wrong: the fries go inside the gyros

And the lettuce does not belong there

Tomato, onion, potatoes, tzatziki is the way to go

(This counts as a build.)

(So It's on topic.)

[solid hazel]

Oh it's supposed to be a gyro? Haha that mKes senzs

[worn crypt]

Hm, yes, I agree with everything you just said

[solid hazel]

I always just thought it was a sandwich

[tranquil violet]

Lettuce in gyros is an American thing

[solid hazel]

But I'm bringing all my western bias into it

[tranquil violet]

No one actually likes that finely shredded lettuce in anything

We just like to think it makes stuff healthy

[turbid needle]

It's good texture.

[solid hazel]

If it's fresh

[worn crypt]

There is this Greek Orthodox church that has a festival every year by me, the gyros they make are 🔥 🔥 🔥

I feel like there is not lettuce unless you ask

[solid hazel]

Also at @turbid needle i love how you turn up specifically to talk about lettuce

[pale surge]

Shredded lettuce is awesome wtf

[turbid needle]

What?

[solid hazel]

OMG even more

[tranquil violet]

Default gyro is sliced tomato, raw onion (red or white), and potatoes fried in olive oil (or French fries)

And tzatziki

Some people like "sauce" which is a mix of ketchup, mayo and mustard

Others like nutmeg

There is no lettuce involved

[solid hazel]

I mean its probably coicidence but we been talking about builds for like last 30 minutes and as soon as we start talking about lettuce lots of people show up

[pale surge]

I'm just saying the lettuce goes great with all that stuff regardless of tradition

[solid hazel]

It amuses me as chaos is amused

[half crater]

this is a lettuce channel now

#hades-lettuce-and-combat

[drifting vale]

What no lettuce??

Thats wild to me

[solid hazel]

Who knew lettuce evoked such hidden passions in Hades players?

[drifting vale]

I love the red onion codex its so much sass

[solid hazel]

Achilles hates onions

[worn crypt]

Goes great on gyros too

[tranquil violet]

Greek lesson: to order a proper gyro ask for it "me apola" (με απ'ολα)

[drifting vale]

It doooeesss

[tranquil violet]

Literally "with everything on it"

[drifting vale]

Neat good to know!

[half crater]

yeah achilles has like, a weirdly vehement hatred of onions

[solid hazel]

Is it pronounced Gero or Euro? I have a bet with my imaginary best friend

[drifting vale]

Yee ro

[half crater]

what onion-based food has wounded that man in the past?

none can say

[tranquil violet]

Closer to "yee ro"

But the y is uh roughened?

I forget the precise phonetic term

It's like a soft g mixed with a y, trying to think of an English word with the sound

[drifting vale]

So sounds like Giy?

[solid hazel]

Hmm phonemes

[tranquil violet]

I don't think it exists in modern English

Try to make a guh sound but from the back of your palate

[half crater]

modern english is missing all the best phonemes

[tranquil violet]

So it's not a hard G

But a ghhh

[onyx parcel]

The Greek food? Like the wrap?

I always pronounced it as “euro”

Probably wrong but people usually understand what ur talking about

If u say “euro”

[solid hazel]

Yeah there's about 100 or so distinct phonemes that humans can make, but like monolingual speakers often lose the ability to hear or speak ones that don't exist in their language

[tranquil violet]

Yeah it's fascinating stuff

[drifting vale]

Yeah if im reading what youre saying right its how i would pronouce Giy (gee) but soft g

[solid hazel]

Most languages are like in thr 30 to 40 range?

[tranquil violet]

Even the cot/caught distinction in English haha

[solid hazel]

I pronounce them the same

[drifting vale]

I usually emphasize the t in cot

[solid hazel]

But I speak American, I don't know what this English thing you're talking abiut

[tranquil violet]

The vowel in caught kinda rolls front to back

In cot it's just flat

[drifting vale]

Fair

[tranquil violet]

Caught is almost like you're hacking up a furball

But less violent

It's a subtle distinction though

[solid hazel]

Why not more violent?

[tranquil violet]

Because it's English not Arabic or Hebrew

My grandpa spoke way too many languages and I heard a great story from my uncle about it

He would switch languages depending on how angry he was

English or Spanish you're fine

French he's getting irritated

German hes now pissed

Arabic: run

[normal geode]

Hey everyone. I’m new here so I don’t know if this has been brought up. But I heard a rumor that Athena’s cast has its backstab window in the front of enemy’s not the back of them. How true is this? (Obviously with heart rend)

[tranquil violet]

When you speak 7 languages you can pick the language most conducive to expressing your emotions

[solid hazel]

You probably mean parting shot @normal geode

And I have no clue haha

[normal geode]

Oh yes my bad

[tranquil violet]

Hm

Poseidon sword + exit wounds is fun but I'm taking a lot of damage

Even against Meg who I shouldn't be

Any suggestions for not getting git so much other than git gud and Athena dash?

[solid hazel]

@cunning urchin or @hearty elbow are probably your best shot at getting an answer on an obscure mechanic like that

[tranquil violet]

New pact of punishment idea: every enemy is now a Dracon

+10 heat

[hearty elbow]

I don't actually know how Parting Shot works. I don't typically do cast builds.

[solid hazel]

Actually that hammer that gives sturdy on nova is kinda helpful for Poisedon aspect safety

[turbid needle]

Most Casts that are not AoE still do not backstab.

[hearty elbow]

There was some disagreement here as to whether or not you even needed to backstab the cast at all to get the damage bonus (the language is very ambiguous)

[solid hazel]

Even though it's pretty useless everywhere else

[turbid needle]

Like True Shot, Crush Shot, Crystal Beam.

[torpid wren]

Athena's cast is one of those casts i used once and never again... so

[turbid needle]

Athena's Cast is not the only prereq.

It's an "any core boon" type of Duo.

[still vigil]

where do ppl talk about PoP specifics?

[solid hazel]

I've definitely seen that the text backstab only comes up if the cast hits from behind on Demeter cast

[turbid needle]

Anyway, Parting Shot lets Casts that "can" Backstab properly Backstab as well as providing an overall +35% Backstab damage buff.

[solid hazel]

@still vigil here or high heat channel

[worn crypt]

All right, very important question. When y'all have two or more encounter choices but Chaos is shrouding them, how do you pick? I always take the one on the right.

[still vigil]

tyty

[tranquil violet]

I wait for Monty Hall to reveal one of the goats

[still vigil]

um i just go left cause im left-handed

[tranquil violet]

And then I switch my pick to maximize the chance of the Lamborghini room

Coin flip though honestly

Or just whichever I'm closest to

[solid hazel]

I usually waffle around pointlessly as my tight deadline counter ticks down... And then go to the furthest one out of sheer stupidity

[worn crypt]

I like that strat

I am also left handed and usually go for things on the left, not sure why I do right for this game

Maybe because it's more chaotic

[still vigil]

also does Tight Deadline not scare yall cause Id rather deal with mobs that could isekai me with a sneeze than 5 minutes of anxiety

[solid hazel]

Td3 very scary

Td1 really should be free for most people

Td2...ehh it could be a problem on some aspects and if you're not paying attention

[still vigil]

so fer aspect of zeus, how should i go about td3?

cause i might be a madman fer usin this shield over chaos

[solid hazel]

I'm not expert enough to give solid advice on that haha

[still vigil]

fair XD

[solid hazel]

Most of the time people are not taking Td3 until pretty high heat I think

Cuz it's one of the harder ones

You'd probably have better luck in the other channel

[still vigil]

kk!

[opal lodge]

this might not be the right channel but does anyone know the best build/setup to get the bad call achievement

its stupid but its the only achievement i cant seem to get

[solid hazel]

Hermes boon that auto fills plus any boon

[still vigil]

...there are achievements in this game??

[solid hazel]

Or if you are in Elysium just let the warriors respawn

[opal lodge]

ah forgot about that one

[worn crypt]

On PC but not Switch @still vigil

[opal lodge]

i was running the zeus and poseidon ones

[solid hazel]

Like don't kill them when they turn i to the little eyeballs

[opal lodge]

but forgot about the hermes autofill

[still vigil]

would explain a lot

[opal lodge]

yeah i get that

that makes sense ty!

[solid hazel]

Just let them keep rearming so you can fill up your gauge

That's probably way easier than hermes boon

[opal lodge]

i had the perfect run w/ zeus poseidon and then just didnt get a trial of the gods

[river river]

Hey if I get ricochet fire for hestia, does the empowered shot bounce to another enemy?

[pallid dagger]

just got my first ever win with the hades spear

[solid hazel]

Yes

[pallid dagger]

well, second

[solid hazel]

Nice dude

[pallid dagger]

mained athena mostly by accident. beat hades, got the legendary.

[river river]

Ty!

[pallid dagger]

what do you guys look for when using Hades aspect?

[solid hazel]

Uhh it's one of my least used... I don't think it's very good

[half crater]

it’s decent

[opal lodge]

im just a shield of chaos abuser

[wary jackal]

i can't seem to get a spear build that feels good

[solid hazel]

If you're holding a gun to my head... Probably like some kind of flurry stab or rocket special build

[wary jackal]

feels like the damage is super low

[half crater]

im just a shield of chaos abuser
@opal lodge same tbh

[tranquil violet]

@wary jackal last night I had Achilles + tidal flood + razor shoals + a bunch of Zeus effects

It was ridiculously overpowered

[half crater]

everyone: chaos is bad now

me: playing 20 heat literally asleep are you sure

[opal lodge]

i like the guan yu spear with a bunch of poseidon boons

[tranquil violet]

Achilles buff then abuse casts to explode everything

[solid hazel]

Achilles just seems so much better than hades aspect

[pallid dagger]

chaos has never been bad, ever

[tranquil violet]

The Poseidon/Zeus duo helped a lot

[solid hazel]

Cuz hitting enemies with spin attacks is not a small ask...

[opal lodge]

i have not invested in achilles at all i probably should

[solid hazel]

Rage rushing is a small ask

[half crater]

i mean, chaos did use to be better, for sure

[tranquil violet]

As it Poseidon/Aphrodite to boost my core boons to... a lot

[pallid dagger]

back during earlier phases, everyone hated when they changed it from one-direction throw to five-direction

said it ruined things

now it's been changed back and people say it sucks

[sharp anvil]

Is the wiki wrong about the requirements for Splitting Bolt? I got it with only Double Strike, I didn't have Storm Lighting

[pallid dagger]

just a matter of getting used to how it works

[sharp anvil]

"Requires 1 of each:

Storm Lightning
Double Strike or High Voltage"

[solid hazel]

You only need 1

[half crater]

huh didn’t know it used to be one direction back in the day

[sharp anvil]

I assumed I needed storm lightning then 1 of the other two

Since they had bullet points

[half crater]

yeah i think it’s about getting used to it, but also lack of wall bounce/seek is a pretty clear downgrade

[solid hazel]

Bad formatting? The codex says only need 1

[pallid dagger]

eh

[sharp anvil]

I think the wiki is wrong yeah

[solid hazel]

I was just looking for it yesterday so I'm surw

[sharp anvil]

Since they say you need 1 of each

[solid hazel]

And I also got it with only chain lightning

[tranquil violet]

Oh Blade Nova goes with Poseidon / Exit wounds nicely

Neat

[solid hazel]

Poisedon Artemis duo or Poisedon Demeter is probably the best duo for flood shot

If you want to use it ranged

But Poisedon ares is good outside of Poisedon aspect

[pallid dagger]

i might try doing merciful end on that hades aspect

i mean, it worked well enough on the fists

[solid hazel]

Give it a try, but I don't have high hopes

[pallid dagger]

i'm just not really aware of how to use it use it, you know? feels like i got through that last run by fluke

[solid hazel]

Fist naturally mixes attack and special together in combos

Spear doesn't really

[sharp anvil]

ME is best used with athena dash

By dashing back and forth on top of the enemy as you attack

[pallid dagger]

true. but merciful end feels like it has way less to do with the duo itself than divine dash
which is fair, divine dash is everything

[solid hazel]

Yeah but you gotta take the stupid restrictive attack or special together first

So I guess like ares attack and Athena special and dash is optimal set up?

I'm also like 90% sure the punishing sweep will not buff your doom damage

[sharp anvil]

If you want a fun way to do ME without Athena dash, get ME on Zeus shield. Put doom on the special and deflect on the attack, send your shield on the enemy and spam attack, once it's about to get too far away from the enemy, recall it

[solid hazel]

I think it's only the raw damage on the attack or special

[sharp anvil]

Bonus points if you can get the double attack on the shield

[solid hazel]

I actually did I thr other way @sharp anvil

[sharp anvil]

It works the other way, just worse

[solid hazel]

Doom on attack and Athena on special

I'm not sure about that... I considered both

[pallid dagger]

im wary about zeus shield
did great for 90% of the run and then got trashed by hades

[solid hazel]

The problem is your limited by your attack speed to proc the me

In either case

[sharp anvil]

It does. When speedrunning Zeus shield you put doom on the special. Doom damage also scales higher on special

[solid hazel]

The special with Athena will at least do extra raw damage in the down time

And the deflect on the big discus is really nice

[sharp anvil]

It's still just worse though

The damage output ends up being lower

[pallid dagger]

ooh, i do remember that it was super funny when combined with support fire, though

set the shield spinning, let everything walk into it...

[solid hazel]

Mmhm okay I haven't actually tested it... Just tried it once anyway

[sharp anvil]

Doom damage scaling higher on special is really what does it

[solid hazel]

I can see that... But maybe with pulvering strike...

Other way could be better

[solid cairn]

Oh hi Amelie

[solid hazel]

Depends if shield procs in between the two strikes

[sharp anvil]

Hi Grim

[solid cairn]

I am literally one second behind you on the leaderboard

[sharp anvil]

I have an 8:32 pending

[solid cairn]

Oh rip

[still vigil]

there's a leaderboard???

[sharp anvil]

The speedrunning leaderboard

[solid cairn]

Speedrun.com

[sharp anvil]

It's third party

[still vigil]

yallre bonkers

[sharp anvil]

@solid cairn That was also my first speedrun ever

Believe it or not

[solid cairn]

I only started like a week ago

[sharp anvil]

I watched Vorime's 7:30 with fists then just tried copying it best I could

[tranquil violet]

Haven't tried it yet but, is there such a thing as a fists cast build?

I guess using casts as debuffs to stack more combo damage?

Idk

[unkempt zephyr]

his today get WR again in 713 eris

[icy parrot]

Talos Aphro cast was my very first succesful run build

[solid cairn]

Yup I saw

Vorime is a beast

[icy parrot]

It's not the best but it was potent and I love it

[sharp anvil]

@tranquil violet Meme crystals

[icy parrot]

very fun

[solid hazel]

Just out of curiosity what's the reason you use game time instead of real-time as the metric
?

[sharp anvil]

Works with any weapon

[tranquil violet]

Meme crystals?

[unkempt zephyr]

i watch Vorime from march

[solid cairn]

In game time is just more forgiving to new runners

[sharp anvil]

@solid hazel No real reason, some of the moderators for the speedruns have said it will probably move to RTA eventually

IGT is definitely more friendly towards new speedrunners

Oh yeah, you just said that

@tranquil violet The demeter crystal cast

[solid hazel]

But I thought speedrunni ng was all about mercilessly crushing the opposition

[jade rover]

I'm not sure why it would make sense to move to RTA considering that the IGT is accurate and mostly just gives you time to read things

[tranquil violet]

I found those really awkward when I tried them

[solid hazel]

Jk... Honestly I'm surprised how welcoming speedrunni community is

[sharp anvil]

Creating a healthy scene that attracts more runners will eventually create a more competitive speedrunning scene

[solid cairn]

I don’t like cast builds

[sharp anvil]

@jade rover Because eventually you want it to be as skillful as possible, speed in making choices matters

[solid cairn]

Besides Poseidon sword

[opal lodge]

i know the basic artemis on attack for arthur but are there any more optimal builds for it

[solid cairn]

I personally think it should stay igt

[sharp anvil]

I'd rather it stay IGT too, but I understand that RTA is more skillful, and would understand if they were to move towards that

[jade rover]

I get that aspect, but it does kind of exclude people I feel it doesn't need to.

[sharp anvil]

I mean hell, my PB has me doing story dialogue and chilling through the run

Lol

[solid cairn]

Getting a best RTA is not the same as a best IGT

It doesn’t have the same impact

[solid hazel]

As a complete spectator, rta is more entertaining

[jade rover]

That's fair @solid hazel

[solid cairn]

Top runners usually go for fast RTA anyway

[sharp anvil]

My guess is they might swap to RTA once that autosplitting mod is completed

[solid cairn]

I would really dislike that but I guess I can see why

[solid hazel]

@opal lodge im not sure Artemis is necessarily optimal for Arthur

Like most weapons... Aphro is better without many additive buffs

If you get a bunch of chaos boons and other stuff then Artemis can catch up

[jade rover]

"optimal" really depends on your priority, be it speed, fun, safety

[solid hazel]

But still no weak

[opal lodge]

im trying to get faster but cant seem to break 14 minutes on most weapons 😦

LOL

need to look more into strats i guess

[sharp anvil]

@opal lodge Go watch the top runs and try to emulate what they do, try to understand why they're doing what they're doing

[solid hazel]

Oh we're talking speed running haha I'm gon a not say anything then cuz I don't know a damn thing about it

[sharp anvil]

And read the speedtech channel in the speedrunning discord

[solid cairn]

Amelie is your pb with dem or eris

[sharp anvil]

Eris, I like it better, it's more consistent

[jade rover]

Is there a hades specific speedrun discord?

[solid cairn]

My current Pb is with nemesis lmao

Yes!

[sharp anvil]

Yes

[solid cairn]

If you want, I can shoot you an invite

[jade rover]

I'd be grateful if you would!

I'm really considering starting to run this game, since I'm nearing 100% completion.

[solid cairn]

I recommend it

Just pray sell your soul to the sack overlords

[sharp anvil]

The speedrunning community for this game is great, very welcoming

[solid cairn]

2 sack or bust

[sharp anvil]

Even the streamers and top runners will be kind and will interact with you

[worn crypt]

Is it possible to get a heroic non-Hermes boon that isn't replacing a boon you already have? I feel like that's the only time I see them

[north panther]

Wow I hate ||Beowulf Aspect||

[sharp anvil]

I don't think so Crepes