i cannot overstate how gloriously broken sea storm is
#h1-builds-and-combat
pallid dagger
arctic fossil
and then the 3rd goddamn health bar like everything else wasn't already chaos
turbid needle
i like how EM 1 and 2 doesnt even change that much about the 2 bosses but ẺM3 and 4 boost damage to the bosses by alot
arctic fossil
em2 i actually find a lot of fun? if I don't accidentally get into the lava some how
em 3 I either come out without getting hit or with all 3 death defiances used
turbid needle
i hate how i got 2 extra blood cast on a beowulf run and its not even a good run
its just so slow and bad
loud latch
what are good casts for bewoulf/hera?
turbid needle
i put Aphro cast on that thing and it barely deal any damage so i have to rely on Aphro special throw to carry the whole thing
worn crypt
I had 7 bloodstone with my last Beowulf run. I also used Aphro. I only found a single pom the entire time for cast which was depressing, but if everything landed it was still 2k damage. It just.... isn't fun.
pallid dagger
Beowulf is not quite as fun to abuse as Chaos or Hera
limber flax
what are your favorite general casts?
pallid dagger
it works, but it's not the brokenness we crave
worn crypt
It's just too samey. Rush, pick up stones, rush, pick up stones, zzz
pallid dagger
with the hera and beowulf stuff, it's less about what does good damage than what hits what you want it to hit
for that, you want dio, aphro, poseidon, or zeus
dio has the best of both worlds
hearty elbow
(back to the Dionysus Aid thing, also don't forget that the boon scales obscenely well with poms too, It goes like 15->21->25->29... I think?)
Common Level 1 Artemis Aid Greater Call does approximately 100 * 10 * 1.7 = 1700 damage. Against 1 target. Requiring you to charge your entire bar. And does nothing at Lesser Calls.
turbid needle
Beowulf is probably my least favourite 4th aspect
it just slow not to mention the +10% damage
like -50%hp from Guan Yu feel better
worn crypt
Lucifer is my least favorite 4th aspect
hearty elbow
Lucifer is my least favorite 4th aspect
@worn crypt Preach.
turbid needle
Lucifer is cool
worn crypt
Like every 4th aspects is slow heavy attacks. Lucifer is slow weak attacks lol
turbid needle
Lucifer is faster than other guns though
worn crypt
The startup time just feels out of place in this game
turbid needle
the only thing slow about it is the special which can be great if put on Dio special
pallid dagger
@hearty elbow you gotta remember, considering that Poseidon does 500 damage at higher rarities, Artemis is giving you 10 chances to do 300 damage
with very generous critical rates, too
empty prairie
You know it's gonna be a good run when you lose a DD on mega Gorgon and then another on Lermie.
pallid dagger
she's basically the other side of aphrodite; yeah you gotta wait longer, but the payoff can be dizzying
hearty elbow
It has a short range, has a HUGE startup and recovery time, requires "ramp up", a useless special, and doesn't destroy projectiles
Epic Artemis' Aid is only 120 I thought?
I doesn't really scale with rarity
solid cairn
I really like eris rail but Lucifer is not fun at all to me
pallid dagger
a critical multiplies damage by 3
so if you have epic arrows critting, that's ten arrows potentially doing 360 damage apiece
worn crypt
120 x 3 = 1000
turbid needle
you should try something like dio special and Demeter attack(with Artic blast of course) on Lucifer
pallid dagger
your maximum damage could be out there around 3000
solid cairn
I think artemis call is pretty bad
hearty elbow
Your minimum damage could be 0 if Dad spawns a skull next to him too
unkempt zephyr
Guys hold on. To do greate damage from your Aid need build to increase this. Like im using Dio aid with artemis,ares,aphro duo. and DIo aid crit and do insane numbers. or Artemis aid with Athena ,Dio,Aphro duos when full Aid one shot teseus and asterius at same time.
solid cairn
It doesn’t prevent damage or anything, no aoe
turbid needle
Artemis' call bypass impervious or something?
pallid dagger
no, nothing in the game does that unfortunately.
solid cairn
No it pierces shields
hearty elbow
If you're sticking closish (we're talking like... Excalibur swing range) to your enemies, Dio's Level 1 common will yield 2400 damage if you use the lesser calls. You can get to pick when they happen, and they work on groups.
edit: 2400 to compare to a Greater Call. 600 each.
unkempt zephyr
Im one shot theseus and asterius becaus have 100% crit chance.
pallid dagger
i don't want to be close to enemies.
i want to watch them explode from a safe distance.
unkempt zephyr
100% crits chance on artemis Aid
limber flax
if i have god keepsake but dont take the road of the god of the keepsake, will he come back next room?
unkempt zephyr
in live version
pallid dagger
for a flat 1,000 damage, potentially 3,000 or more, i'm sold.
solid cairn
The value is low compared to other calls
hearty elbow
It triggers me when people use Aphrodite's Greater Call against bosses
solid cairn
How much damage does poseidon call do on blue rarity
hearty elbow
You could just like.. damage them normally and use your 4x just completely stopping the boss from doing what it's doing
pallid dagger
what the hell else are you gonna use it on?
empty prairie
You know a build is bad when you can't beat Thanatos. 😂
pallid dagger
2,500 damage on a regular enemy is a straight waste
not to mention that strategy hardly works on the Hydra
hearty elbow
You should use the mini calls against the bosses.
solid cairn
Let me check how much damage poseidon call does
bleak iron
Thanks for the advice on Rama everyone! Easiest run I've had in a while lol
that thing is insane even at lvl 1
hearty elbow
Not Lernie, but it's excellent against the other 3. We shouldn't consider Lernie in general as Dio's call is uniquely excellent in that fight, and it wouldn't be a fair fight.
bleak iron
any advice for Beowulf? I ended up dying against hades on my last run :/
hearty elbow
You know... every source of damage stuns you right 
limber flax
i should just take every duo for those side quests right?>
hearty elbow
You say that until you've been stunlocked to pieces by a group of Greatbows or chain stunned by a Witch's volley of projectiles.
It's value isn't as sexy as some of the other duos but it's great in its own right
solid cairn
there is something funny you can do with parting shot
athena cast backstabs from the front
limber flax
ait
wait
can you get parting shot while having dio cast?
that does nothing right
hearty elbow
My assumption is that's why Dio's call doesn't get the love it deserves. The damage happens over time, you don't get to see it. Artemis and Aphro's do one big sexy number and people lose their minds.
limber flax
You say that until you've been stunlocked to pieces by a group of Greatbows or chain stunned by a Witch's volley of projectiles.
@hearty elbow well i have athena dash so
no witch bs this run
hopefully
solid cairn
you can get parting shot with dio cast but good luck landing backstabs with that
hearty elbow
The Draken projectiles, getting multihit by Asterius spin, Dad's skull skull stab combo, Chariots ramming into you over and over and over again, Mettle helps mitigate a lot of these
pallid dagger
anyone got opinions on Athena's legendary?
hearty elbow
Very good
empty prairie
I only got one hammer this run. That's a bummer. :/
pallid dagger
the Divine Protection barrier only blocks 1 hit, right?
hearty elbow
It's an Acorn that works everywhere
solid cairn
definitely one of the better legendaries
and one of the legendaries that require the least investment
pallid dagger
I mean, i'm fine with not taking damage
but for a 20 second cooldown....
lady do you know how much fighting happens in 20 seconds
arctic fossil
lots of running away happens in 20 seconds lol
hearty elbow
If it blocks 1 big hit it's already done more than any damage reduction boon could ever hope to do.
E.g. Assume it blocks a Dad urn for 150 damage. For 10% damage reduction to prevent that much damage, you would need to have taken 1500 damage
pallid dagger
maybe so, but i can get close enough with that sweet divine dash
hearty elbow
Yeah but why not both lmao
There's no cost to having it. What are you picking over it? Exposed?
pallid dagger
i mean, i'd never pick it over a different legendary
hearty elbow
But in the context of taking an Athena boon, it's just free.
You never "aim" for it like you would with Splitting Bolt in a Zeus build
worn crypt
It has a lot more value at higher heat than lower heat
hearty elbow
But you're pretty heavily incentivized, especially with Stubborn Defiance, to take all of the Athena at all times
solid cairn
athena busted
limber flax
whats your favorite general cast
hearty elbow
Phalanx or Flood
solid cairn
favorite cast is probably poseidon
solid cairn
it has a huge aoe and 2 duo boons that completely change it
it also sticks into enemies making it a great choice for poseidon sword
hearty elbow
If you're not a cast build, it doesn't really matter too much what's in the slot, but it hits a huge area, controls space well, and if you happen to get Rupture, it does a surprising amount of damage.
solid cairn
not to mention you get a head start to mirage shot
limber flax
i guess everything is kinda lame if i compare it to dio cast
hearty elbow
Gets rid of DC hearts well too
solid cairn
dio doesn't stick into enemies
limber flax
i dont play sword
hearty elbow
Yeah... I'd really love Trippy Shot more if it didn't cut into my attack damage lol
limber flax
sure it give me bonus dmg
Yeah... I'd really love Trippy Shot more if it didn't cut into my attack damage lol
@hearty elbow wdym
bc it doesnt stick?
hearty elbow
-50% from Boiling Blood
junior harbor
does anyone know what the timing window for Quick Recovery is?
solid cairn
I don't like slicing or trippy shot
hearty elbow
Oh for sure, I don't want it to stick, I'm just saying that's why I don't pick it on non-Hera builds very often
solid cairn
which is why the only cast aspect I really enjoy at all is poseidon sword
pallid dagger
true, but then again i rarely go for cast builds at all unless i'm using hera
hearty elbow
does anyone know what the timing window for Quick Recovery is?
@junior harbor It is a mystery. I don't tend to be watching my health bar while I'm getting hit, so 400+ hours in, I have literally never seen it actually do anything
pallid dagger
or, like grim said, poseidon
solid cairn
zeus cast is pretty fun
solid cairn
it's always good
limber flax
hmmm
hearty elbow
Yeah lol, it does pretty great damage with Rupture
solid cairn
try curse of drowning or blizzard shot
pallid dagger
i still have yet to try poseidon cast on hera, but i am anticipating great things
solid cairn
curse of drowning is pretty wacky and fun
pallid dagger
zeus and poseidon are always those dudes where i'm like, okay, they're great when i want a specific build but i won't main them
and then on the rare occasion i do main them, they perform excellently
typhoon's fury and breaking wave just made everything explode if i so much as glanced at it
who knew you were throwing people up against walls so much?
worn crypt
Zeus builds are my fav. Fists go bzzzzzz
pallid dagger
@hearty elbow you mentioned lucifer can't shoot down projectiles. that's....god, did they never fix that?
YES
sea storm was so hard to get on Lucifer but it was SO broken (as it always is)
hearty elbow
Nope. In my humble opinion the way Lucifer works now, it's just worse than Eris in every regard.
solid cairn
I dont like it
pallid dagger
damn it man
if it could shoot down projectiles it'd be okay. the other rails can!
solid cairn
it just feels bad to play
hearty elbow
I really would love to see it get get some quality of life and overhauled special
unkempt zephyr
now speed runers just have fun race. and time 9-11 min for full run)its poseidon baby
solid cairn
there is a super soaker race going on with a few speedrunners
hearty elbow
It feels cool and the lasers and great, but it just is so awkward and punishing to use.
mellow quest
lucifer aspect is fun but i wouldn't call it good, between the inability to shoot down projectiles and the weak special
solid cairn
and the special is just bad
pallid dagger
it's a damn sight better an aspect than guan yu or rama if you ask me
limber flax
if i play fists
solid cairn
like what does it do that eris doesnt do
hearty elbow
It has both startup time, ramp up time and recovery time on it's attack, that's just so unnecessary lol
solid cairn
it's a damn sight better an aspect than guan yu or rama if you ask me
wtf
pallid dagger
i said what i said.
and jolted is a status effect, sea storm is flat damage
you can have both.
mellow quest
guan yu and rama are some of the best aspects in the game straight up
pallid dagger
i use guan yu a lot
hearty elbow
You know, I'm so used to people telling me with utmost confidence that Rama is trash that it doesn't bother me anymore lol. In Blood Price, they were mostly right, I was being stubborn.
pallid dagger
but i never use it for its special effects
hearty elbow
But it's kind of amusing to continue hearing it in 1.0
pallid dagger
get sea storm
limber flax
i think its jolted
mellow quest
rama is just really bad if you aren't a methodical player
limber flax
hm
pallid dagger
sea storm is rare
limber flax
okay
mellow quest
and i think it's very bad at tight deadline 7/5 minutes
pallid dagger
i use guan yu a lot, actually
hearty elbow
Yeah... you can't really play "ignorant" with Rama, I'll grant you that.
solid cairn
7 minutes deadline is free on anything
static crest
Guan Yu and Rama are consistently good. Lucifer is either absolutely broken or a painfully bad depending on whether you get the right boons and hammers
pallid dagger
the problem is that i never use it for its special effects. i don't like the low-health-for-heals thing much more than on cursed slash.
worn crypt
Rama was my first 32 heat and it felt pretty easy tbh
pallid dagger
i just use it for the firework flourish.
solid cairn
they butchered tight deadline
hearty elbow
How so?
The current iteration is not perfect, I'll grant you that, but it's functional, unlike the previous TD2
solid cairn
Td2 basically is a non factor unless you are super high heat
td3 is kind of challenging I guess
mellow quest
to be fair i speak in the context of tight deadline with at least 16 heat
solid cairn
I've done 32 heat twice and tight deadline has never been close to an issue with anything
mellow quest
i'm at 24 on most everything, upper 30s on shield
hearty elbow
TD3 is pretty important, so we can tell people who waltz in here saying "why hasn't anyone completed 64 heat" to stuff themselves
junior harbor
I'm still too bad at the game to reliably due TD3, TD2 is good enough for me.
Sure I'll sometimes end a run with 4 min left, but other times I really get down to the wire.
arctic fossil
alright well finished the temple and no sea storm so we'll just chalk this run up to a learning experience
pallid dagger
8(
solid cairn
I think the gap between td2 and td3 is pretty jarring
mellow quest
td2 is very reasonable for most of the aspects as long as you don't get god awful rng with boon offerings
spiral tree
Top 3 Gods?
hearty elbow
I think it could be tweaked slightly. I would like to see TD3 be 5:30 and TD2 be 6:30
solid cairn
depends
pallid dagger
@spiral tree Dionysus, Aphrodite, Poseidon
solid cairn
wow
pallid dagger
ALWAYS useful to a run in some way
hearty elbow
Triple A gang
spiral tree
Dio top 3?
spiral tree
Numbers wise aph has to be the best
mellow quest
Poseidon is a lot better than he used to be
hearty elbow
Poseidon is a lot better than he used to be
@mellow quest That's fair, he was in the depths of the ocean pre-1.0, and he's risen to the shallows in 1.0
spiral tree
Can’t see anyone better than aph
unkempt zephyr
Im today first time in life have a run with td3 today on artur on 32 heat. and.....after i go with out time with some HL3+ FO1 EM4 its feels same.
hearty elbow
Athena is kind of default best just because of Divine Dash
mellow quest
personally one of my favorite combos as of late is Dionysus + Aphrodite. lots of raw damage from Aphro boons, DPS off hangover, and lots of decent defensive/sustain boons to pick
crush shot and festive fog also hit very very hard and scale well
solid cairn
should I try curse of nausea chiron
pallid dagger
Aphrodite offers huge boosts and a status curse that applies really easy. great for synergy.
dio doesn't offer damage boosts but his status curse is so overcranked it makes up the difference.
poseidon has great damage potential if you work him right and even if you get bad rng, he'll usually pop a boon that's in some ways useful over to you
spiral tree
How good is hangover numbers wise
solid cairn
getting a but bored of heart rend
spiral tree
Is the damage comparable to doom?
small stirrup
Yes
mellow quest
it's much faster than doom
unkempt zephyr
For me athena best becaus Duo with artemis push your damage to space. and becaus athena attack can block any damage including melee attacks.even hades attacks.
hearty elbow
Artemis is the only god[dess] that scales multiplicatively, and Aphro provides the thickest damage % and best debuff
spiral tree
I always looked at doom as a better hangover
solid cairn
athena is straight up broken
pallid dagger
doom is a large number, but that's all it is. useless for getting through armor, doesn't synergize well...Ares bad.
solid cairn
athena dash alone puts her in top 3
mellow quest
ares is just super reliant on getting the perfect duos
small stirrup
@pallid dagger 
spiral tree
Aph is the best god I have a hard time seeing how anyone can debate that...after that it’s debatable tho lol
pallid dagger
see, yeah, her dash is always good,
but if you can't get it, she has very little to contribute to a run where you aren't maining her.
mellow quest
divine dash is a bit of a crutch
solid cairn
athena also has a good damage multiplier
junior harbor
I like getting Stubborn roots in a resources run. It makes it super 
small stirrup
Artemis is bet girl
spiral tree
Athena attack is better than her dash for Arthur
unkempt zephyr
Almost never use athena dash) such a waste of slot))
spiral tree
The wide swing of Arthur>divine dash
hearty elbow
Deflect on your primary attack/special is also great, and Athena's Aid is like top 2 calls
mellow quest
waste of a slot lmao
solid cairn
most of the other dashes are bad
hearty elbow
Phalanx Shot is the best utility cast in the game
mellow quest
it gives you extra i frames on top of the deflect
spiral tree
Poseidon dash is great
mellow quest
it's busted
tidal edge
@hearty elbow why's that?
pallid dagger
i just never deflect with my weapons honestly
i mean, i could
but it doesn't feel like something i'd spend energy consciously doing when i can just zig zag freely across the field
solid cairn
poseidon dash is really fun
hearty elbow
@tidal edge I said a lot of things, which one?
spiral tree
@pallid dagger dis you try it with Arthur?
tidal edge
the last thing about phalanx shot
spiral tree
Arthur aura+ Athena attack is super OP
steady cipher
so why is lightning rod generally regarded as bad?
spiral tree
Playing baseball is fun as @unkempt zephyr says lol
@steady cipher who says rod is bad? Lol it’s one of the best boons easy
hearty elbow
Because of the way deflect works on melee attacks, if a melee attack is deflected at any point, the entire hitbox no longer hurts you for the duration of the attack. So Phalanx Shot lets you approach any enemy for free
mellow quest
the other god combo i've liked a lot if everything lines up is Zeus + Poseidon. jolted scales very well for bosses, and Poseidon thrashes room fights, especially Styx
limber flax
^did blizzard shot remove the knock away efffect of poseidon cast?
tidal edge
huh I never thought to use it that way, neat
steady cipher
Idk someone said that me liking it was a hot take
pallid dagger
i remember being so mad that divine strike is useless on lucifer's rail
mellow quest
and their statuses are easy to keep up
pallid dagger
but that's what happens when it can't contact projectiles
hearty elbow
i remember being so mad that divine strike is useless on lucifer's rail
@pallid dagger It still is lmao
pallid dagger
i know B[
unkempt zephyr
Playing baseball is fun as @unkempt zephyr says lol
@spiral tree Now you in team Boyo))
mellow quest
I really like the concept of the Lucifer rail but it needs some serious tuning
unkempt zephyr
pallid dagger
all in favor of EM4 Hades taking a hike?
unkempt zephyr
today.i saw almost this heat from another player) and i try it.
arctic fossil
aaaaaaa didn't even GET to the third health bar this time em4 hades can suck it
mellow quest
i leave all the EMs on even though i die to hades constantly
pallid dagger
of course, i did fight EM4 Hades on 40% Force Overtime....
mellow quest
hot take thesues + asterius fight is easier on EM3 because you don't hear DONKDONKDONKDONKDONKDONK for the first half of the fight
pallid dagger
i'd take EM4 Hades as he is, if Supergiant would grant me the one blessing of nerfing that freakin' bull rush of Asterius'
he turns into a heat seeker what the hell
small stirrup
FO 2 and he's basically a car
junior harbor
Now for the most debated question: Which is better, Greater Reflex or Ruthless Reflex?
small stirrup
Greater
mellow quest
does anyone remember 50% forced overtime no telegraph asterius beyblade
small stirrup
Not even adebate
pallid dagger
Greater. Ruthless is a downgrade unless you're going for a specific speedrunning build.
small stirrup
@mellow quest Dude nooo....
pallid dagger
@mellow quest no and i refuse to.
unkempt zephyr
If you die from hades. or another bosse try Abyssal Blood. its deacrease damage and slow attacks and movement on 25%
small stirrup
Well we can all agree that thick skin is way better than it's variant
mellow quest
Greater is better, especially if you have tight deadline on
limber flax
blizzard shot
unkempt zephyr
Its like have Aphro + demeter with you.that makes Abyssal Blood big deal
mellow quest
25% slow is not even noticable on Hades
the damage reduction is nice but i mean, it's competing with 50% boosted damage on attack and special
limber flax
guys , blizzard shot removes abyssal blood right?
fair plinth
how does rush kick interact with fists of demeter?
limber flax
i can sell blizzard shot
fair plinth
does it still give you more hits, but for 40 damage per extra hit?
mellow quest
blizzard shot is so strong that it's worth keeping imo
pallid dagger
Zeus quit being stubborn with the splitting bolt man gimme
unkempt zephyr
When in Hl5 and FO2 hades do swing combo every 2-3 seconds.and every swing BASE damage 80.
25% slow means change FO2 to FO1. and damage decreasing means you figth now not HL5 FO2. you figth vs HL4 FO1 . Its HUGE deal
mellow quest
i think my favorite change since early access is the shackle keepsake Sisyphus gives you going from useless trap damage to useless empty slot damage boost
spiral tree
lol blossom best keepsake ?
limber flax
does blizzard shot remove knock away??
does anyone know
okay nvm i think it doesnt
unkempt zephyr
bro why is dio special so weak on chiron
@solid cairn Becaus you probably use it alone.
empty prairie
Hmm. Using Zag rail with Arctic blast. Explosive fire or rocket bomb?
pallid dagger
explosive fire, i would
empty prairie
That was my thinking. Even though triple rockets is so much fun.
spiral tree
Blossom has too be top 3 keepsake
empty prairie
I thought it was useless until I forgot that it was on when I started a run and damn is it great.
unkempt zephyr
@solid cairn check private message.
pallid dagger
DAMN IT ZEUS
fair plinth
by the GODS do I love fists of demeter
nothing like backflip-kicking alecto for 1k damage and gibbing her from 25% hp
empty prairie
I really like Hera.
But Chiron is good fun as well.
So basically: Cast build or special build?
limber flax
^hmm
unkempt gust
does lucifer's radiation inflict debuffs
solid cairn
well today I learned chiron with dio special sucks
pallid dagger
hmm.
i might try giving merciful end another shot.
it didn't help much last time i tried it but maybe...fists?
turbid needle
Whats the mechanic responsible for giving boon reroll when u get keys?
winged grove
Nyx reverse mirror?
pallid dagger
you have to purchase that from the contractor
pallid dagger
it's a special upgrade. gives you fated authority for every key picked up.
honestly how the hell did i ever play this back before i had all that fated authority paid for...im so used to it now, i don't think i could go without.
turbid needle
"Fated Persuasion Each rank gives you 1 die, used to randomly alter Boon and Well of Charon choices"
winged grove
Try re-playing new game with hell mode
You will understand the pain
Upgrading essential stuff is pain
turbid needle
Can you disable god mode once activated?
turbid needle
I want to get all the toys first then try the game properly without god mode :p
sacred notch
if you turn it off and then on, it comes back at the level you turned it off at, too.
winged grove
I think max it reach is 80%?
empty prairie
Second run in a row where I only got one hammer.
stuck bobcat
Oh god, doom build on gilgamesh
My first under 15m run
Hades melted in 10 sec
Im in love
stuck bobcat
All of hidden aspects are
mellow quest
i just hope it doesn't get nerfed too hard
winged grove
Spear hidden aspect sucks
mellow quest
guan yu is very strong
winged grove
I also find lucifier trash and rely too hard on specific boon
But das just me
How? You spam special on guan?
winged grove
Oh lol
mellow quest
lots of pleasant upgrade potential on both attack and special
ranged spin is pretty strong
mellow quest
the special definitely has the potential to get extremely stupid though
throw to win
winged grove
Yeah, I notice it has bit of AoE blast explosion
I think I mainly abandon the thing because of hp reduction
stuck bobcat
I realy like lucifer for fast hitting builds like sea storm
But without it its ... kinda meh
winged grove
It rely too heavy on zeus
In test branch there is a glitch that makes deadly strike all hits 100% hit
Apparently it seems like only 1 hit of lucifier get crit
Rest remain normal lol
stuck bobcat
Take chiron - slap artemis special - you're done
That's deffinition of OP weapon
winged grove
Assuming bow special dmg remain same by next patch.. hopefully
turbid needle
Chirion -> art special -> aphro attack + couple hammers and more weakness/crit multipliers
gg
stuck bobcat
That's overkill xD
winged grove
Heart rend on top
stuck bobcat
Plus i tend to not over rely on duo boons
Things are getting nasty if rng fu.cs with you
mellow quest
How am I in Styx with no status effects
winged grove
gambling is fun
mellow quest
I rerolled the offerings a few times too
I skipped a common rarity hangover dash in tartarus and haven't seen any other statuses
fossil compass
how many times does the aegis shield special bounce? Is it worth taking the hammer upgrade to do more?
winged grove
4 times if I remember correctly
Doesn't bounce much for me when using chaos + bull rush
stuck bobcat
Thar's why I dont use Privaliged Status @mellow quest
You just aim to get that duo status - if not you have -40% dmg. Family favorite is more constant
fossil compass
thanks, seems like the seek range is a bit scuffed
stuck bobcat
@fossil compass only main shield toss benefits from hammer upgrades and bounce
Additional ones from chaos dont
willow fossil
I'm struggling a lot with em4 hades, should I consider tooth, or is acorn good enough
I just love spearpoint
Especially in styx
winged grove
If you want to kill em4 hades on brain dead mode
Get chiron with athena call
Literally call all day
Add support fire on top
willow fossil
I use approval process, thats why I was asking for keepsake preference
winged grove
Its already been killed in current beta
Borderline useless in early game
Hopefully its just testing
stuck bobcat
So what's the OG combo for spear cast build?
Poseidon/Demeter duo?
It seems it had best burst for buck for me 
hearty elbow
Zeus I think is considered meta
Ares/Demeter casts are best used on Achilles regardless
winged grove
When ares cast used to have better tracking 
jaunty solar
demeter cast is like a crutch use for demeter when i run persuasion instead of authority lmao
demeter is really bad excluding the cast
fair plinth
demeter cast has stupid amounts of damage once you get her other chill related boons and artemis duo
hearty elbow
Yeah, if you manage to get Glacial Glare and Crystal Clarity, it's amazing. Soooo bad before that though
fair plinth
with 5 cast stones I've taken out hades under 20 seconds, 10 of which was his invul periods
fair plinth
i used to, but i prefer infernal just for styx maps
jaunty solar
most i ever got was 3, and with a non cast centric build with a couple demeter cast boons
it did so much additional damage
hearty elbow
Stygian is preferable once you get Glacial Glare anyway
stuck bobcat
Tracking on demeter cast is OOOOOF
empty prairie
What's the best shield? I've got Zag maxed and chaos at 1.
fair plinth
it really helps to soften up the rooms with 3 casts off the bat, from any god
empty prairie
@stuck bobcat The duo helps with that a lot.
jaunty solar
What's the best shield? I've got Zag maxed and chaos at 1.
@empty prairie zeus imo, ppl say 4th is really good tho, i dont like it personally
stuck bobcat
I think that all 3 shield aspects are good. All 3 have different build aproach though
jaunty locust
This run turned around so well
empty prairie
Shield is my least used weapon. Only on heat 2 with it.
jaunty solar
4th is just sooooo slow and clunky
stuck bobcat
Hidden is the most meta atm
jaunty locust
I... just had the best run-save i've ever seen
empty prairie
Is hidden basically like Hera?
stuck bobcat
I like bursting bosses in seconds
jaunty solar
yes but also like arthur without the massive numbers
stuck bobcat
It's hera but you get your ammo right away
empty prairie
So you just rush everywhere?
jaunty solar
4th shield doesnt get the arthur numbers on attack and special, yet is slow like arthur anyway
jaunty locust
I'm on Eris, I got dio attack, passion dash, starting to get some real damage going (got like, 122 ticks) and then I get low tolerance, I finally get targeting s ystem which will boost that hangover damage HIGHER, but I'd had a rough start and was on my last legs in elysium, and hey, yeehaw, boy howdy, patroclus shows up and now I get EVERYTHING back
jaunty solar
so you just rush spam
stuck bobcat
Shortcharge rush
empty prairie
With what cast? Dio?
stuck bobcat
Depends, I've had my best time with Artemis
jaunty solar
meta is aphrodite cast
stuck bobcat
It changes all single target casts into big AoE
unkempt zephyr
all numbers from dio. even 500-700 crit
And now im try do ideal build for this with...probably 1000+crits from one tick of dio to solo target.
empty prairie
Got a hammer right off the start with 4th shield. Pulverizing blow, charged flight, empowering flight. I'm guessing pulverizing?
hearty elbow
Achilles aspect, Hunting Blades, Vicious Cycle
stuck bobcat
Dont bother to use ares cast without hunting blades
Even with it damage is kinda ehhh
Achiles fixes that a little
hearty elbow
Well, strictly speaking you kind of have to use the cast before you get Hunting Blades (which is why it's not that good lol)
empty prairie
Haha one boon in all of Tartarus. This is gonna be great.
west pier
Is there any way to tell which bonuses are additive vs multiplicative?
fossil compass
I can't use|| thanatos' companion on final boss, even though I've got my job and got the credit screen. Wtf?||
robust anchor
||gift dad the orange juice||
hazy slate
^
robust anchor
keep doing it until you get the special dialogue
robust anchor
chiron kekw
turbid needle
Is there a "boon builder"?
robust anchor
hera you can just get lvl 1 itll be ok too
hazy slate
Hera for memes and casts builds
west pier
I like chiron personally, but only after it fires 5 arrows or more
unkempt pagoda
Is there any way to tell which bonuses are additive vs multiplicative?
for hammers they'll specify "+x% base damage"
unkempt pagoda
critical hits are always 3x damage
stark ore
Yep
hazy slate
Chiron starts at 4 arrows on special at lvl 1 to 7 at lvl 5
limber flax
i can put 3 into chiron or 2 into hera rn
unkempt pagoda
it's 3 arrows at level one, iirc
west pier
@unkempt pagoda so aside from base damage and critical hits, are the rest of the %damage buffs additive?
stark ore
Put 3 into Chiron then
fossil compass
I gave ||hades the nectar, I unlocked his relationship gauge and got the keepsake, how much more until I can use the companion?||
unkempt pagoda
i believe so
most damage in this game is additive
(on the flip side, damage resistance and dodge are all multiplicative)
limber flax
ah shiit
west pier
Damn, I thought the ares "10% attack, cast, and special" thing was good, but I assumed it was multiplicative
west pier
@limber flax you can quit out to get your blood back
limber flax
i was about to do that
primal hazel
In what sense is dodge multiplicative?
limber flax
man i gotta say
it seems like bow gets strongest buffs by aspects
most game changing
west pier
Debatable
limber flax
thats my impression
primal hazel
Bow is just massive poggers overall
west pier
Rail is my baby
limber flax
i like rail too
primal hazel
As long as it's not spear I'm down
unkempt pagoda
In what sense is dodge multiplicative?
iirc dodge is: (1-x%) * (1-x%) * (1-x%)...
west pier
The rail upgrade to get a damage buff from standing in your special is a huge game play change for rail imo
unkempt pagoda
you multiply together the chances to get hit
limber flax
ah yea that one is insane too
west pier
@unkempt pagoda yeah, but in that case multiplicative dodge is worse for you than additive
primal hazel
Oooh so each dodge percentage you aquire gets counted seperately and multiplied?
I guess it would be too op if it were additive
unkempt pagoda
well it'd be kinda broken if you could get 100% dodge, so i agree
west pier
Yeah, or else 100% dodge would be possible
limber flax
whats the best cast for hera bow?
unkempt zephyr
The rail upgrade to get a damage buff from standing in your special is a huge game play change for rail imo
@west pier every 3th special need. to 100% time of buff. if you new player try every 2th.
west pier
I like Zeus, Artemis, and poseidon for hera bow@limber flax
thick crag
Dio is good too.
west pier
Depends on if you like stacking multiple casts vs one
If you use the regenerating cast, dio would be great
limber flax
is there no cooldown on hera in training room?
primal hazel
Ok now that I got dodge
How is resistance multiplicative? In a similar manner than dodge? So each percent of damage reduction gets taken of the overall damage seperately and what remains is the reduced damage? (1-x%>y-x%)?
Sry bad at math
west pier
Think of a number like 20% reduced damage taken as 0.8x damage taken instead. Then take all of your damage reductions in that form and multiply them together. That's the final damage you take
primal hazel
Oooooh
west pier
So if an enemy deals 30% less damage and you take 20% less, that's 0.7 * 0.8 = 56% damage taken, or 44% reduced damage taken
primal hazel
So it's more like 1-x%×y% etc?
primal hazel
Thanks a lot
I'm collecting notes of anyone asks again so I can answer correctly
Also I wanna at least kind of understand it obvs
unkempt pagoda
still really want to do a run where i stack all forms of damage resistance together and see what happens
small stirrup
Does God mode have a cap then?
unkempt zephyr
80% how i read in new players room)
unkempt pagoda
- bracer
- weak, with broken resolve
- different league and bronze skin
- abyssal blood
- excal with greater consecration
unkempt pagoda
you still have to build up to it, but yes
primal hazel
But only upon multiple deaths
unkempt zephyr
with 80% resistance, you can trade yours face like on Black Friday
and still not die
marsh pumice
Add 50% to dash heal to that 
onyx parcel
What’re some good builds for eris that’s based off of lightning strike?
unkempt zephyr
Dio
unkempt zephyr
Stucking ares.Same Me build like fists.
onyx parcel
Sounds wack
unkempt pagoda
the ideal is lightning strike -> storm lightning -> splitting bolt, then going back to get jolted
primal hazel
Just go beyblade
unkempt zephyr
Attack ares.special ahena dash athena.its work on almost all weapons in game. bow exeption.
onyx parcel
the ideal is lightning strike -> storm lightning -> splitting bolt, then going back to get jolted
@unkempt pagoda I’ll look into that
Attack ares.special ahena dash athena.its work on almost all weapons in game. bow exeption.
@unkempt zephyr ok thx
primal hazel
ME be cheap lol
unkempt zephyr
after you reach Me. you just attack and dash on enemy to prock)same as fists.
unkempt pagoda
i just did a 32 eris earlier where i went all in on curse of pain + targeting cluster
jaunty locust
is it worth my pride to intentionally take a big glut of deaths to clear out convos to get hidden aspects
dark quail
Yeah, take the guan yu aspect and bring up the heat on traps and enemy attacks and you'll be able to die prety fast
dark quail
Doesn't matter just remove the 3 death defiances from the mirror
And you'll die fast enough until you get guan yu
jaunty locust
I accidentally stumbled into the ||patroclus quest AND the sisyphus quest AND finished my 10 clears, so Achilles has been too busy to help me||
Oh, I'm just trying to determine if it's worth it for my pride
dark quail
Well, it's up to you but you don't lose anything
jaunty locust
becuase my other thought is to blaze through to try and buy more TB and Diamonds from the end, but... tbh if I just wanted to bite it I could be done in twenty minutes, it just feels wrong haha
but the record will see this SLUMP I'm in
empty prairie
Ok, I'm gonna give Eris a shot. What are some suggestions?
jaunty locust
the damage buff it gives is universal
dark quail
The record is irrelevant, i won like 40 runs in a row when i decided to die a couple of times to max out demeter and artemis
jaunty locust
so hangover gets buffed by it, for example
rails shoot fast and weak, so you can also go for zeus
zeus will let you spread damage around, and jolted will amp up even more damage
aphrodite is PRBABLY a good cast because you won't have any way to deal with enemies that get up in your face. poseidon could work too
target lock is great because it adds an EXTRA 30% universal damage, and I used ricochet shot which lets you spread attacks around better, but tbh that's up to you. you could get the spread bomb so that it's easier to get into it
and yeah, fair. I should get over myself and just take the L's
empty prairie
Good info, thanks. :)
I've just been using whatever gives me dark thirst, honestly. I'll get everything eventually.
unkempt zephyr
Probably now i create ideal build for eris.need poms to big numbers) i create new DIo gun video with this) its must be carnage on heat 32. only legendary need.
marsh pumice
How much gold you get for legendary boon?
meager raft
is ricochet fire not compatible with the aspect of eris?
unkempt pagoda
it is
solid cairn
lmao just played with Excalibur for the first time
It is so fun
meager raft
I'm missing it for the prophecy and it's not coming out
solid cairn
It only starts falling off at super high heat
unkempt pagoda
simple bad rng, unfortunately
solid cairn
But it is top tier for sure
graceful perch
I assume I shouldn't even be thinking about the hidden aspects until I clear, right?
jaunty locust
oh, getting your badges doesn't do anything, it just makes your health bar look fancier
unkempt pagoda
you don't get much blood until you start clearing, so sure
solid cairn
If you like big, phat damage and being able to tank stuff, Excalibur is your weapon
bleak iron
any advice for Beowulf? I have it maxed out but still can't beat a clear with it... And I'm clearing more often than not with the rest of the weapons
I'm just trash at that one, since my shield play style never uses bull rush
and that's Beowulf's whole thing
unkempt pagoda
infernal soul, passion flare, sudden rush
bleak iron
I am attempting to use bull rush lol, it just leads to me dying
or not killing things fast enough and getting really tired by the end
lone lava
I found it much better after I rebound cast
turbid needle
What boons make for an easy Guan Yu run?
fossil compass
is there a good build for basic railgun that doesn't depend on daedalus hammer? I've got a good run with it once where the special becomes a launcher and gets damage, but other than that, it feels very underwhelming
lone lava
Swapped cast to RB and interact to B (I also swapped reload to LB and put codex on Up on the Dpad)
@fossil compass Zeus on attack
Is sufficient on it's own
fossil compass
I am using that right now, but it still feels weak compared to other weapons
unkempt pagoda
What boons make for an easy Guan Yu run?
deadly or heartbreak flourish, charged skewer hammer
fossil compass
I'm hoping to get jolt and legendary, but seems like hoping for that feels too RNG
turbid needle
Ty @unkempt pagoda
lone lava
Spoiler tag all that @jaunty locust
jaunty locust
del'd first so I can respoiler
digital plank
uh
is stubborn roots or unshakable mettle better
jaunty locust
sorry, I thought I'd heard lots of peoplet alking about it out in the open
digital plank
i got both in choice for boons
jaunty locust
||So Hades' call makes you invincible until you attack, the greater call makes you invincible for [length of time] and also gives you a 50% damage boost, right?||
unkempt pagoda
what defiance do you have
unkempt pagoda
how many left?
unkempt pagoda
if you never lose those, roots is useless
digital plank
killed vermin
ill probably loose them in the middle of the fight against hades though
so
im guessing mettle right?
or
mighty ermine
@jaunty locust actually ||not invincible. invisible. enemies will still lash out and attack around them while you're nearby||
unkempt pagoda
btw, "stunned" means you never flinch when you get hit by an attack
lone lava
If you're worried about losing the run, I feel like stubborn roots cheese is pretty op and foolproof
digital plank
ok ok
jaunty inlet
stubborn works well with dodge/tank builds
odd quarry
You still have to have the ability to dodge appropriately while Roots does its work tho
jaunty inlet
also hi i’m new here
digital plank
ok ok
jaunty locust
||Tail, I had it up and had the big hammer thugs swing at me and they didn't hit though||
unkempt pagoda
imo i would choose mettle here
mighty ermine
@jaunty locust ||don't know what to tell you, as i've been very much hit during hades call||
digital plank
im scared
jaunty locust
||I'll give it another try. That makes it... significantly less good than I thought it would be, since I like using them as huge damage bursts or long invincibility segments against bosses||
lone lava
Is this your first clear?
digital plank
ig
im trying to
ive been playing for about a week
fists
athena dash
duo boon for zeus and poseidon
flood cast
zeus aid
unkempt pagoda
yet another discovers the underwhelming mediocre-ness of the final keepsake 😔
jaunty inlet
i honestly just came here cause i wanted to get opinions on crit builds
are they just that underwhelming or am i doing it wrong
lone lava
I guess you can't just run a crit build on literally anything
Well
You can but it won't be the best choice
For certain things though yeah it's great
Like Nemesis
unkempt zephyr
Probably now i create ideal build for eris.need poms to big numbers) i create new DIo gun video with this) its must be carnage on heat 32. only legendary need.
@unkempt zephyr [Realy rude words inside] almost do it....error in styx room...load save gave...im home
lone lava
Yeah it's the best build on that
jaunty locust
Okay, this is weird @mighty ermine because I just ||used Hades call adn a numbskull just went RIGHT THROUGH me and I didn't seem to take damage||
mighty ermine
@jaunty locust huh?? i wonder if this has been patched in since i last bothered with it
definitely news to me if it truly works that way
unkempt pagoda
huh?? i wonder if this has been patched in since i last bothered with it
does this actually make it any more whelming or
mighty ermine
not... too much probably
since athena's call is miles better for the goal of being invincible anyway
jaunty locust
the only reason I could see this being a big thing is if you're trying to layer Dionysus stuff
yep, confirmed. You don't take damage
unkempt zephyr
since athena's call is miles better for the goal of being invincible anyway
@mighty ermine nope becaus lesser call from sigil give you 3 second invulnerability if you do not attack.and athena to do this need 3-6 poms in. and next attack be +100%. How about clean Rama powershot on 2-3k?
or more.
mighty ermine
even common athena call with a single pom is better for invincibility and doing damage at once than sigil in terms of lesser
hard disagree
unkempt pagoda
athena call is invulnerable + ability to attack as normal
unkempt zephyr
but its helps with cleaning on styx. more health for boss figth.
lone lava
Sigil does have some potential but I think only for speed in some cases because of the +100% dmg
unkempt pagoda
sigil is invulnerable... until you attack in some way
and foes have a question mark, i guess
mighty ermine
lesser sigil ends after a single attack, which is notably not great
greater is where it starts to actually get potentially interesting
unkempt zephyr
its have Multy scaling. not additional damage.
lone lava
Lesser call is just buffed dmg on the first hit right
mighty ermine
yeah
lone lava
And greater is bonus dmg throughout?
mighty ermine
and the invis ends after that hit
unkempt pagoda
also, sigil doesn't qualify for smouldering air 😔
mighty ermine
it would actually make lessers good if it could be used with smoldering lol
what a tragedy
unkempt pagoda
the only way i could see SA sigil happening is if you sold a call and then equipped it
unkempt zephyr
and the invis ends after that hit
@mighty ermine yup.but you have more HP for boss fight becaus sacks easy with this.
unkempt pagoda
but... whatever call you sold would probably be more useful than sigil lol
jaunty locust
what's smoldering air?
unkempt pagoda
zeus/aphro duo
mighty ermine
i never have health issues with pre-hades styx, i dunno
sigil wouldn't really do me any good in the way you're describing
jaunty locust
ohhhhhh gotcha gotcha.
unkempt pagoda
makes your call gauge cap at 25%, but it rises automatically
lone lava
And rises very fast
unkempt pagoda
you get a lesser call every 5 seconds
lone lava
With something fast like Eris you have almost perma call
unkempt zephyr
with sigil i have natural 3 DD and full hp bar with after styx. what can be better?
mighty ermine
full lesser after 5 seconds, assuming no external buildup from yourself
lone lava
Acorn probably haha
mighty ermine
with sigil i have natural 3 DD and full hp bar with after styx. what can be better?
having a call that does more damage or provides more invincibility for hades lol
jaunty locust
yeah, I feel like the sigil could be useful if you had big single-hit nonsense
jaunty locust
like if it worked with the WHOLE upper with demeter fists
unkempt pagoda
literally the only use i found for sigil was that it worked on crystal beam...
mighty ermine
okay, i don't see how that proves anything about sigil being noteworthy over other calls
jaunty locust
also, I've been using spearpoint for the last fight, but I feel like my biggest problem is getting tagged for big hits when I make a mistake, but I still ALSO take small hits sometimes from adds
is acorn better? Maybe the tooth?
mighty ermine
acorn for sure
plain violet
holy smokes how do y'all beat em4 hades with speed boost
y'all crazy
I made it there and got bopped
twice
lone lava
Spearpoint is best for styx tunnels, acorn is best for dad
unkempt zephyr
accorn i just lvl up it and trow in garbeg.
dapper crane
are the gloves of gilgamesh good, i feel like in high heat itd get you killed more often then not
plain violet
yeah I might use acorn instead of pom next one
unkempt zephyr
Ahillies brases alote better
jaunty locust
right because it'll help you w/ lasers and rats
plain violet
pom is so fun though
unkempt zephyr
in High heat
plain violet
I'm not good enough at 32 heat for pom I guess
mighty ermine
accorn i just lvl up it and trow in garbeg.
your loss, there's a reason 50+ runners use it buddy
jaunty locust
I'm not as good as the REAL good runners, which is why I think the tooth might be better
if I take a bunch of hits from lil guys here and there I'll negate a lot less damage
lone lava
Uhh I feel like acorn is significantly better unless your playing arthur with like 400 hp 3 DD and expect to take a lot of hits
plain violet
tooth can activate outside the boss room but acorn is better for the boss itself imo
unkempt zephyr
im only start my heat) buddy) and for heat what you see but with FO2 i start killing hades 4 from 10. with brasers. becaus accorn reduse only 5 hits. when hades do 10 attacks pet 20 seconds.
in em4
jaunty locust
the acorn is better if you're expecting the hits you take to come from big damage attacks, rather than smaller chips
unkempt zephyr
and i dont say about pots damage redusing and another stuff like mobs in 1st phase.
mighty ermine
alright i'm starting to see a big part of why you value bracer over acorn here; if you're running DD rather than SD, and i guess you're expecting to get hit a lot, then bracer might be more useful just for you to tank that damage
but in an SD environment, acorn is going to go much further to save you
unkempt zephyr
Of course. EM4 HL5 FO2 hades just carnage machine. its race who die first. and im melee player.
jaunty locust
I assumed SD was the less popular one
mighty ermine
oh i know, i'm not trying to diminish how brutal EM4 is, because i know (also through melee experience)
unkempt pagoda
SD is the most reliable way to get hp back in very high heat settings
mighty ermine
but i typically run SD, where you don't get enough chances for bracer to really save you
jaunty locust
does SD bypass the uhh, reduced-healing pact?
mighty ermine
yeah
jaunty locust
OH
mighty ermine
it's why it's encouraged to "kill" zag on lava in asphodel before moving on to the next chamber
to top up as much as you can
unkempt zephyr
but i typically run SD, where you don't get enough chances for bracer to really save you
@mighty ermine probably we miss understanding each other becaus we have very different play style. for me DD better with brasers. becaus hades EM4 with FO2 healing insane. and figth long enouth.
mighty ermine
oh for sure, i think bracer does make sense in your context, it's still very useful with your setup
especially running DD
and arthur sometimes, i presume
unkempt zephyr
yup. i use it on artur and claws with ruthless reflex.and even with this bad dad hit me like a truck.
jaunty locust
OH actually that makes sense Tail - you get one every chamber, so you can use it to get yourself to a specific HP threshold
mighty ermine
right, and for non-lava rooms, you can basically let yourself use up the SD against foes before moving on
unkempt pagoda
when you start stacking touches of styx and patty's styx+, you heal yourself to absurd levels
unkempt pagoda
saw a guy heal himself to 300 hp on a defy once
unkempt zephyr
its realy trick.
empty prairie
So I'm using Guan Yu. I've got quick spin and heartbreak flourish. What else is good?
mighty ermine
charged skewer for special builds is very good. massive spin is also good if you're using the spin often enough
jaunty locust
wait, what's patty's styx? Is it different for SD?
mighty ermine
serrated point works on GY for sure, but it's even riskier and with less reward than, say, boosted hades or achilles
yeah, for SD, patty's styx makes your SD recover 50% more health each time
for like 15 encounters
it makes a huge difference
unkempt zephyr
its mean 80% of pool after dead?
lavish tinsel
aight hellow everyone
unkempt zephyr
how many sack doors can be cleaned with this? 1-2 befor figth dad?
mighty ermine
up to 2 tunnels, yeah
pretty sure you can't do 3 or more and bring it into the hades fight
lavish tinsel
ive cleared all rooms and done relatively well
lone lava
SD refreshes per each small chamber in styx right?
mighty ermine
yeah
lavish tinsel
sd refreshes every chamber ever
lone lava
Only used it once at low heat for fated list
Do people run the SD setup even at 32 or is this more of a 40 plus thing?
mighty ermine
i'd say either works just fine around 32, and some prefer DD all the way to 40
unkempt zephyr
on new save file i just start with SD. becaus 1 DD near this...mehhh. and after i buy 3 DD change it back.
im just carefull with out timer clean rooms)
mighty ermine
40+ is where like 80% of the runs will use SD, mostly because you'll want to put points in LC to raise the heat by then, and SD counteracts that pact option
lavish tinsel
hate to disrupt the conversation but how on gods green earth does one manage to kill he who shall not be named
ive gotten to him about 20 times and he keeps pimp slapping me down every time
solid cairn
You can say the name in this channel
marsh pumice
change name, it will help
solid cairn
Try to get an extra dash
cinder flower
So I unlocked every weapon and have 6 titan blood. What are some of the better aspects to invest in early on
jaunty locust
oops. It looks like Dread Flight does not play ball with Aspect of Chaos...
lavish tinsel
my last 5 runs all got to him and when he was within like an inch of dying he starts spamming the laser spin move
solid cairn
Then keep getting behind cover
lavish tinsel
he doesnt stop the lasers
lavish tinsel
i know it makes me immune but if i cant get it ill grab dios thing for area damage
but i mean
he starts the attack and its either infinite or he randomly gets immune and i cant do ought to him
rare kayak
grab dios thing
mighty ermine
immunity on him happens at fixed points for his health, depending on phase
solid cairn
Wdym the laser attack is infinite
rare kayak
lasers have blind spot right next to him if you feel particularly ballsy
mighty ermine
other than that and his invisibility, you can always hurt him
lavish tinsel
the lasers dont stop
mighty ermine
lol
solid cairn
What
lavish tinsel
like literally
mighty ermine
f10?
lavish tinsel
infinite lasers
lavish tinsel
he killed me and i rage quit the game
jaunty locust
like you can stay there ten minutes and he doesn't stop spinning?
mighty ermine
he can only use lasers for like 3-4 seconds at a time
solid cairn
Are you on pc?
mighty ermine
try verifying game files if on steam
lavish tinsel
yeah
solid cairn
Take a video if possible
lavish tinsel
would but he killed me thats why im here complaining
solid cairn
Because that’s uhh... not supposed to happen
But just to be clear you struggle with him regardless of that, right
lavish tinsel
well
kinda
when he's not doing that yeah
most of the time i can get him to the 2nd phase and then it gets stupid
jaunty locust
becuase yeah if he did that to me, I'd be in trouble
jaunty locust
2nd phase he doesn't have summons, so it's skulls, stabs, swings, and lasers. i think that's the only things that can happen
lavish tinsel
i get annoyed by everything first phase
solid cairn
I usually just tank hades with my death defiances
Which I probably shouldn’t be doing
cinder flower
So I unlocked every weapon and have 6 titan blood. What are some of the better aspects to invest in early on
lavish tinsel
i usually equip the thing that buffs damage at low health or the spear thing
solid cairn
Spearpoint?
lavish tinsel
yeah
unkempt pagoda
and then eurydice came out
lavish tinsel
weapons and boons wise im either using the spear with as many debuffs i can get or the bow on the chiron thing paired with the artemis special
lavish tinsel
i like it
solid cairn
What level is it at
jaunty locust
it can keep you on target without having to worry about your OWN positioning
lavish tinsel
i only had enough to get it to level 2
jaunty locust
you should aim for the Athena dash
lavish tinsel
i try to take it
jaunty locust
the Athena dash is the biggest indecator for me about success or failure because how how powerful it is
lavish tinsel
for my call i like the dionysus one because it helps me nuke rooms when i feel uncomfortable with the amount of bodies
solid cairn
That’s a good call too
lavish tinsel
but ive also taken the athena one so i can focus on getting rid of the green crystals
solid cairn
Athena call is top 2 I think
lavish tinsel
but i usually use the spear for that
solid cairn
Along with poseidon
lavish tinsel
but yeah
solid cairn
Wdym by “as many debuffs as possible”
lavish tinsel
like
either dionysus stuff or aphrodite or ares
i think theres duos for buffing the crit damage from artemis stuff
jaunty locust
I have great luck with poseidon or ares calls. Once you get to greater you can just surf into the boss or hang out over top to do tons of damage. Same with Artemis. Artemis call with a couple bonuses is enorm
cosmic jackal
I'm having a hard time getting spear build with decent dps too
lavish tinsel
im on about the bows
jaunty locust
I don't... really like athena call?
solid cairn
I’m having a hard time getting spear build with decent dps too
Which one
cosmic jackal
Zag is all I have for spear.
solid cairn
Oh uhh
lavish tinsel
the achilles one is really good
solid cairn
Achilles spear is really good yeah
lavish tinsel
i use it to avoid big crowds
solid cairn
Hades spear is kind of meh
mighty ermine
hades spear is not meh at all
solid cairn
Haelian has a complete guide on the spear, I recommend checking it out
lavish tinsel
spinning is only fun with the stun hammer thing
cosmic jackal
Oh ok. I forgot he had that.
mighty ermine
sigh
solid cairn
Depends
lavish tinsel
yeah
solid cairn
That’s a good one
lavish tinsel
the explosion is huge
solid cairn
Yes and it has 2 duo boons that completely change it
lavish tinsel
what do you use to kill hades
cosmic jackal
I never try that one. I should.
solid cairn
Aphro cast is huge dps at low range
Artemis cast is massive damage but little aoe
So on
Achilles works very well with casts
The damage bonus after the rush applies to your next 4 attacks/casts
Normal attacks don’t really do much damage, spin is pretty unsafe to use for the most part, so casts are the most efficient use of it
I personally don’t enjoy Achilles cast build, but you may like it
jaunty locust
Hades spear is fine once you get used to dash spinning, keeps you VERY mobile
I should try more with Achilles
lavish tinsel
also
jaunty locust
if your cast does ticks like if you have ice wine, does that last for the whole cast?