I can't usually get myself to like demeter, I'm sure I'm missing something. I only ever occasionally take it on fists.
#h1-builds-and-combat
jade rover
jaunty locust
I like the slowdown. THe damage boost is pretty good. The extra effects you can layer on it is fine too
cunning urchin
Lady Demeter unfortunately has two t1 boons that you can't sell, and one of them does absolutely nothing at high heat. So I just avoid her. 
jaunty locust
learning to layer your stuff is so rewarding too. I use a cast on someone that's some extra damage for attack and special, I get two curses o them that's 40% more damage for everything, I get 30 from eris and 30 from seeker bomb, it's so satisfhing to let the engine of your build get into motion
can't sell?
also, the ||bloody pom flower has given ALL ITS LEVEL UPS so far to the divine dash. Making that do more damage isn't what I need!||
empty prairie
Jesus that sword is crazy. 2 DD used and mostly because I just decided to face tank a bunch of stuff.
cunning urchin
You can't sell Rare Crop or Nourishing Soul at Pools of Purging.
Underworld Customs forces you to sell 1 boon after every region.
And Nourishing Soul does nothing at all when you have LC4.
Not a winning combo.
jaunty locust
ohhhhhhhhh ok ok
how does explosive fire mix with zeus, or piercing. if I hit three peopel in the explosion do three balls come out?
robust anchor
unfortunately exp fire isn’t compatible with piercing but with zeus idk
jaunty locust
oh no I alerady have the uhh, tracer bomb (works great with eris, amazing synergy)
hmmm, piercing might be better anyway, since I'm in elysium and there's already lots of armor
empty prairie
So I have serrated point and a chaos boon that limits my dash. I now dash for about 1ft. Haha
crude vessel
do you lose the butterly/feather bonuses when you swap out keepsakes?
cunning urchin
Yes.
cunning urchin
lol
dense valley
Yeah thats the bummer with those keepsakes, theyre good but you need to hold them for the entire run
empty prairie
Thanatos summon has got to be the most inconsistent thing in this game.
cunning urchin
He's consistently late.
small stirrup
Respect
cloud barn
thank
timber creek
@willow fossil RE: em4 ||phase 3 gets a lot easier with practice, you can anticipate him if you always keep him within sight. makes it harder because you have to stick somewhat close, but if you have 2-3 dashes and hyper sprint i find its a lot easier to dodge him||
plain mantle
||Does anyone have any tips for getting winter harvest? (Demeter legendary)||
I've spent so many runs and I still can't get it
I know all the requirements too
timber creek
@plain mantle for any legendary I'd use God's Legacy, Fated Persuasion and the max keepsake of the god type
silk anvil
if I had a quarter for every time a god refused to give me their legendary, even after I got 99% of their other boons, I'd have a lot of quarters
robust anchor
for ||em 4 phase 3 try turning up brightness lmao it helped me a lot||
timber creek
some of them are really pain in the butt, it took me 8 runs to get Zeus to finish the fated list. My partner's 8 runs into trying to get Athena's
iron shale
damn i jsut streaked from heat 13 to heat 20 with the same build
its so consistent and strong
Chiron bow with demeter keepsake reroll for demeter special
and then just aphrodite attack and the expldoes at 10 stacks
iron shale
easily enough to kill last boss
silk anvil
Flood shot maybe @left peak
timber creek
i dont think acorns as good for em4 as achilles bracer, personally have way better time with achilles because add spawns screw acorn too hard
robust anchor
pos ares duo would be juicy
silk anvil
Achilles broken spear is best trinket, prove me wrong
iron shale
yeah curse of drowning achilles is fun
robust anchor
is it zag spear
iron shale
f he doesnt answer my question xD
silk anvil
Ya really cant go wrong with either option, if you're not aiming for duos and you play spear up-close n personal, you can go with the cast @left peak
iron shale
what spear are you using ?
robust anchor
hes using zag spear hes new
iron shale
which one is it ?
robust anchor
just pick the cast
silk anvil
Then you wont shove enemies away when you dash up to them, and can nuke people from afar @left peak
timber creek
flood shot is pretty nice for newer players yeah, think tidal dash needs a bit of knowledge to fully utilise
robust anchor
i recommend just picking and trying out all the boons if youre new
silk anvil
gotta save the 32 heat dash-only builds for later, at least their 5th run
timber creek
i got confused till i realised you meant dash
timber creek
silk anvil
I'd like to take another second to complain about the non-viability of Plume when using Jury Summons max rank.
:c SPAWN IN ALREADY
timber creek
hey technically you could do a cash only run with a certain daedalus hammer
silk anvil
Doom on your special could be good, @left peak because you dont really apply it too often, and you could apply it to multiple mooks fairly easily
empty prairie
@timber creek I did that once. Only on 1 heat, though.
left peak
Alrighty, thanks Kirby 🙂
empty prairie
What should I be looking out for with Lucifer?
silk anvil
hey technically you could do a cash only run with a certain daedalus hammer
@timber creek the math doesnt have that be a super good option... unless you're also one of the pros who's just good at dodging stuff
timber creek
I think it would be for the lols, right @empty prairie
silk anvil
Casual $1000 for a paltry, what, + 2 damage? (I'm exaggerating of course, but I was still 🤢 thinking about the amount of dosh you need to have it really be good)
empty prairie
@timber creek Pretty much.
silk anvil
What should I be looking out for with Lucifer?
@empty prairie
Like... what would be a good build?
empty prairie
Yeah.
silk anvil
I'm always just a fan of chain lightning on left click for fast hitting weapons
timber creek
I tried Poseidon bombs on Luci for fun and that went pretty well
left peak
@silk anvil https://i.imgur.com/2v99Htq.png
Recommendation here?
They all seem good
I'm guessing armor?
silk anvil
You could also do Athena for left click, for same reason; bit more survivability, less damage; you know the deal
timber creek
I also did a demeter laser with arctic blast
silk anvil
@left peak yeah, this one is frankly whichever playstyle you feel is best, but armor shred cant really be overstated, even if it doesnt really help out with bosses
left peak
Got it
silk anvil
I also did a demeter laser with arctic blast
@timber creek I enjoy artic blast, always makes me nervous that it resets the cool counter though
wise cedar
hey guys :3 i have a question
is gods legacy a reliable source to force duo boon builds? i didnt start leveling yet cause i thought the +epic chance is more consistent. what do you guys use ?
timber creek
when you do crystal clarity crystal beam you dont need to feel nervous because everything dies before you can take damage
(with the glacial glare upgrade for freeze)
cunning urchin
I don't use God's Legacy, and I get lots of Duo Boons. But it does have a noticeable effect.
I use Dark Foresight and epic+ always.
silk anvil
@wise cedar yeah, 10% doesnt seem like a lot, but I feel like they kick you a duo for trying (have the pre-reqs met, and you're generally golden.... unless the gods just feel particularly like forsaking you that run)
cunning urchin
God keepsakes, Yarn of Ariadne, Refreshing Nectar, and miniboss chambers all increase your odds for Duo Boons and Legendary boons quite a bit.
timber creek
Does Chaos' rare+ chance also affect it?
cunning urchin
The +10% from God's Legacy is additive with the original chance and other bonuses.
Yeah, the Favor boon increases the odds, too.
I think normally it's 10% for a Duo or Legendary to show in any slot? So with God's Legacy, it would be 20%.
Or maybe it's 10% in miniboss chambers? Anyway, that's basically how it works.
Favor, keepsakes, etc., all give +10% chance, I think.
For Duo/Legendary boons.
wise cedar
yea im getting duos kinda often too even without the legacy, but with the keepsakes and the shop thinngs, thats why im debating it if its worth :3
i think ill just give it a shot. thanks for the input 
cunning urchin
I'd say epic+ is the meta at high heat.
Maybe for specific cast builds that rely heavily on a Duo Boon, you'd want God's Legacy. 
wise cedar
i just cant seem to be successfull with cast builds without duo boons, or is that just me? ima press +attack and dash kinda person, so maybe thats why :D
silk anvil
I'd say epic+ is the meta at high heat.
@cunning urchin also the meta for high heat is "get gud" but that's easier said than done Q.Q
wise cedar
@cunning urchin yea exactly my thoughts 
silk anvil
i just cant seem to be successfull with cast builds without duo boons, or is that just me? ima press +attack and dash kinda person, so maybe thats why :D
@wise cedar cast builds rely heavily on gods giving you what you need, I'd say; otherwise you're kinda just throwing nonsense around
How can artemis crit ever hope to compete with scintillating feast+icewine?
timber creek
you can get away with poseidon cast with only poseidon boons on low/no heat
empty prairie
Triple bomb, triple beam or piercing fire with Lucifer?
cunning urchin
True Shot is kind of the only one that doesn't rely on Duo Boons.
silk anvil
Triple bomb, triple beam or piercing fire with Lucifer?
@empty prairie I'd say triple bomb or piercing fire; triple beam was underwhelming for me, even in terms of mob clear
cunning urchin
Well, you can get away with any nonsense cast build up to 20 Heat or something.
timber creek
true shot + aspect of poseidon sword is something i saw a speedrunner using
wise cedar
@silk anvil my first one in a cast build was those razor blade cast, that was amazing 
with hera bow
silk anvil
true shot + aspect of poseidon sword is something i saw a speedrunner using
@timber creek it was the quickest time when I checked a long time ago, tbh, I'm not exactly sure how either
timber creek
I'm biased to triple bomb on rail builds
empty prairie
@silk anvil Is it basically the same as the bow spread shot in that it's way too far apart?
iron shale
it got nerfed after
silk anvil
@silk anvil Is it basically the same as the bow spread shot in that it's way too far apart?
@empty prairie yeah, I reckon so, and they dont rewardrecklesssmart play where you can be close enough to have all three beams hit single target, so what's even the point >:c
cunning urchin
I only really do pseudo cast builds with Shield 4 lol.
silk anvil
it got nerfed after
@iron shale what did? True shot cast?
iron shale
yes
empty prairie
I really thought it would the first time I took it. Such a bummer.
silk anvil
I only really do pseudo cast builds with Shield 4 lol.
@cunning urchin this is because you're a mad lad.
timber creek
"reckless" play -> the time I used zagreus bow and melee special'd with each shot doing extra dmg hammer for fun
silk anvil
D-do you enjoy the casting mechanics on Shield4? It shouldn't be any different than hera aspect, but it feels so much worse to me
cunning urchin
It's so much better though lol.
silk anvil
But how? Is there increased damage? Or is it the fact that it's got that damage bloc?
cunning urchin
Your casts never lodge and always drop immediately.
So you can just keep using them.
silk anvil
"reckless" play -> the time I used zagreus bow and melee special'd with each shot doing extra dmg hammer for fun
@timber creek
@game devs, please make all 'shotgun' type spreads hit same target multiple times if player is willing to take risk of being point blank to get hits off
cunning urchin
You can load casts mid-rush, too.
silk anvil
So you can just keep using them.
@cunning urchin ; but the windup on charging ;~;
You can load casts mid-rush, too.
@cunning urchin hold the phone, lmao what
cunning urchin
You can rush, pick up ammo, load them, boom.
robust anchor
yes let go of charge and rapid smash cast button
silk anvil
How many APM do you manage to pull off while playing? Approximately how long is a second for you?
robust anchor
just press the button
cunning urchin
Lol I don't think my APM are anything out of the ordinary.
robust anchor
it’s easier than it sounds just try it
silk anvil
I feel like theres not enough time in short rush to even consider loading casts during rush duration
cunning urchin
I have cast on LB when I play shield 4.
robust anchor
what button is dash
cunning urchin
A.
silk anvil
Also, I swear theres a slight delay to stones dropping after rush, it's not nearly as instant as I'd like
cunning urchin
Yeah, there's a small delay.
timber creek
are you keyboard or controller? I personally think controllers a lot easier for weaving things together
cunning urchin
Still faster than anything else because every aspect will lodge your casts.
silk anvil
tfw all this time keyboard was holding me back
Rocket jumping skills cant save me here 
timber creek
i know some keyboard players have rebound the cast button to be easier
robust anchor
jerds plays on both kekw
silk anvil
Default cast is right click, isnt it?
silk anvil
I always thought it was funny that special was bound to a key by default; it seems odd that an extension of the weapon wouldnt be default secondary to your attack kit; but a completely different combat mechanic is
of course, this is all relative anyway
Man, gotta face the question of: hades or sleep? I gotta stop checking this chat because it makes me think I can actually be good at the game
cunning urchin
Get some sleep lol.
silk anvil
Then I get back in and am like, "right... nevermind that then"
small stirrup
We do not sleep in the underworld 
minor marsh
be like zag and never sleep and just watch ur bed vibrate
silk anvil
Brb, gonna go ask hypnos to smuggle me under his floof for a quick bit of shut eye
But before I go, future remind me to make a meme about zag going to his table-top game board, and saying "this game is unplayable in it's current state" so I can miss-apply it to Hades anytime I get tilted after a run doesnt pan out for me
empty prairie
Only enemy on the map is Lermie, I'm standing right in front of it's head, looking right at it, use Thanatos summon, it goes 5 feet to the left of where it should be. Why?!
dark quail
Thanatos is jealous of zag and dusa
timber creek
I'm a Than user as well, he occasionally will do that for me but its a very low chance of happening. He most usually appears on my location, but I've noticed he occasionally gets confused by EM4's adds and spawns randomly on the other side of the map - so I only use him in phase 2/3 now. Never seen him bug on Lernie though
winged zephyr
Hmm anyone recommend a good build for Rail Zagreus Aspect?
robust anchor
@plain mantle go relentless first but you wanna get concentrated later
plain mantle
I have poseidon on the special lol
cunning urchin
Concentrated Volley should do more damage, Relentless will do more hitstun.
I like Relentless more, but they are both good.
Concentrated will do less damage than Relentless when any of your arrows miss.
jagged roost
i was using chiron bow and accidentally switched my special artemis with aphro and my god the damage numbers
plain mantle
Yeah I got relentless
static crest
Does athena dash provide more iframes against melee attacks than normal dash?
robust anchor
yes
untold vortex
it's not known for certain
barren otter
it says in the game, crits do +200%, so basically triple damage.
teal lance
ah okay, didnt know that ty 😛
rare kayak
honestly antos is pretty sweet
for one thing pat and achilles have much better aim than sisyphus
admittedly you dont get the healing and coin but still
untold vortex
crit damage is multiplicative so it is 3x damage (not accounting for any crit damage increasing boons)
worn citrus
Is achilles good for a cast build?
More like, could achilles with a cast build be on par with using Hades aspect?
iron shale
I liked it with curse of drowning
languid flume
achilles cast builds are quite good, yes.
i dont know what "on par with hades aspect" means exactly
worn citrus
It's like
Usually when I ask someone "What's the best spear aspect" the answer I get is Hades, because of the 150% dmg bonus after a spin
languid flume
well, achilles is certainly better at cast builds than hades, for whatever that's worth
i'd argue achilles is better at cast builds than poseidon sword, in fact
though thats more debatable (since you do need to fish hard for a boon like Quick Reload that gets around the long cooldown)
worn citrus
Of course that's rather subjective, but since I usually get the same answer it does seem to be some sort of consensus. However, I would say spear is my worst weapon. Like I just can't get used to the moveset or something. I generally perform the worst with it, has the lowest heat completed etc.
Of course I don't HAVE to play with spear, but I would like to perform well with every weapon, for the sake of variety. So I was thinking that pushing for a cast build using achilles instead could mitigate my issues with the weapon, since that would arguably be less reliant on its moveset, if that makes sense?
Idk why I have issues with it. The pike was my favourite weapon in Bastion but sometimes it just be like that, I guess.
languid flume
That makes sense
languid flume
but yeah
even achilles cast builds rely heavily on the rest of the set since
you can only cast every few seconds
especially if you dont find Quick Reload
worn citrus
I will also take any and all advice for the spear in general 😂
languid flume
build around your hammers
spear relies more on hammers than other weapons in my experience, but most spear hammers are at least decent
(and some, like serrated point, are ridiculous)
becuase hammers change the gameplay style somewhat radically, its hard to give concrete advice besides that
dont use your spin attack unless you have a really good reason
worn citrus
Hmm, I see
languid flume
try not to overcommit - spear can space enemies more effectively than other melee weapons, especially with smart dash attacks
and you can always back off and throw out some specials
worn citrus
I feel like an issue I have with spear is that the damage feels low somehow, compared to other weapons.
Like I guess a typical stab doesn't feel "Heavy" in the same way a sword slash might. Idk, putting it into words is tough without the numbers in front of me.
But the hammer thing is worth thinking about. That's sound advice. Do you try to match certain boons to certain builds though?
Like if you get special-focused hammers, do you prefer other gods than you would if you get hammers for the spin?
languid flume
well, all spear builds benefit more from "high individual damage" from artemis/aphro moreso than "multihit synergy" from, say, zeus/dionysis
but certainly if you're building around spins, something like Athena attack becomes better
because athena spins are hilarious
and make spins a lot safer
(spins in general are VERY unsafe, which is why they're rarely your primary damage output, and usually more of a supplement/something to charge when enemies are spawning/bosses are between attacks)
worn citrus
I think that's my issue when I play with Hades aspect
Like I rely too heavily on spins
languid flume
again, the spear shines at spacing enemies; if you watch good players use the spear, you'll notice they usually stay almost at max range when attacking, and dash away from/through enemies to avoid attacks rather than to the side (since then you lose your spacing)
worn citrus
Also spear doesn't really have a combo? So I guess the attack pattern feels repetitive compared to other weapons. Maybe I should toss out more specials in between a few stabs.
languid flume
its not like sword where you kind of "dash around" enemies, or fists where you "dash into" them
hades spear in particular often gets into patterns of dash back -> charge spin -> dash your spin into an enemy -> immediately dash or dash-attack back
this explanation is of course oversimplifying a lot
but its hard to explain in text
worn citrus
Yeah, I don't blame you for that one.
calm kayak
Hey hey hello.
Any tips for exagryph's hidden aspect? It feels absolutely awful to use and deals very little damage for some reason, even after ramp up.
languid flume
and yeah, spear special is very good and most builds mix it in at some point
worn citrus
Thanks anyway though, I think I get the gist.
languid flume
spear special has some nice things going for it like
basically backstabbing "for free"
unless you're achilles/hidden aspect
worn citrus
Feels weird to be without my weapon for a while tho
languid flume
well, that's why it's ranged; you do it when safe from enemy attacks
ideally, at least
the main thing with the spear is that you're still highly mobile even when attacking
sword for instance, most attacks are very committal
worn citrus
It takes a while to recall it though. I feel like Dio and Zeus wouldn't be great with it. Maybe Ares tho
languid flume
but you can move for basically the entirety of a spear special, even if you cant attack during it
and dash attacks give your attacks a lot more mobility too
since their hitbox is very disjoint
worn citrus
Yeah, the hammer that give you 3 dash-attacks is nice
Well. The times I got it I also had additional dashes, so that off-set the reduced range.
languid flume
when i was learning spear, basically every attack i made was a dash attack (or a dash spin)
in practice that's... not the best way to play
but it still uses dash attacks more than you may expect
worn citrus
How's that work with the whole spacing and trying to stay at max range tho
Dash side-ways once you're at max? Or dash-attack while repositioning?
worn citrus
Sorry for the inconvenience
languid flume
go to about 5:15 in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxt-AKMrLm8 and see how he manages his attacks/spins
(note that it's a high heat video so the ending will have spoilers, but this part shouldnt besides heat level spoilers)
worn citrus
I've finished the epilogue though, so it's probably fine
languid flume
ah yeah, itll be okay then
the elysium room at about 23:05 is also probably a good example of what im trying to say
again its a hades build so theres more spins than for other aspects but
the "philosophy" of gameplay is very similar
note that he uses dashes to try and keep the enemy spearmen basically at the very edge of his spin attack range
tailesque is very practiced with hades spear so he knows exactly how big his spins will be, it can take some getting used to
but like, the maneuvering he does from 24:03 to about 24:20 is a good example of what i mean
spinning into enemies and then dashing/dash attacking either through enemies or backwards from them to avoid attacks
the elysium boss fight from that video (starts at 25:25) might also be a good watch, but note that he has Extreme Measures 3 on so it'll be spoilers if you havent faced theseus/asterius with EM3 before
but the way he deals with the minotaur demonstrates what i'm trying to communicate with "spacing"
that said, there's no replacement for pacticing
worn citrus
I'll give it a watch. Thanks!
marsh pumice
Poseidon dash for me at least
unkempt zephyr
if dash alone. its Dio dash. Epic dio lvl 1 do 3 hangover cloud. its 12 damage every 0.5 sec for 4 seconds.= 96 damage
unkempt scroll
Okay... I don't like the hidden aspect of the spear very much...
plain mantle
You have to fully upgrade it to not keep dying lol
Also charging the spin and then dashing is best way to increase its range
unkempt scroll
Huh... It's actually quite easy, even with the 70% hp reduction 🤔
Now to see if I can beat the final area...
I just lost 2 death defiance earlier, because I couldn't use attack xP
Well, I got to the final boss... Though, I only have 67 hp xP
unkempt zephyr
Gl man. This figth be hard
novel maple
does the Eris aspect also affect hangover dmg?
turbid needle
Yes.
red mist
hai folks, how do I build rama
hearty elbow
If you search for Rama under #h1-high-heat-strategies, @mighty ermine and I get into it pretty in depth yesterday evening.
red mist
huh so basically most of the gods are good on rama
in which case probably better to start on aphrodite then take whatever on-hit god appears?
hearty elbow
Depends. I like starting Deadly Strike personally.
marsh pumice
Try Zeus special on Rama
cunning urchin
Why Deadly Strike?
Heartbreak Strike + Thunder Flourish seems like a winning combo.
hearty elbow
At low heat it scales WAY better. The crit on multiple suffering targets makes it a lot more consistent.
cunning urchin
Oh yeah, I guess with all the extra damage from Shared Suffering, crits go through the roof.
hearty elbow
It's very easy to get +% elsewhere
cunning urchin
Do shared hits have individual crit chance?
hearty elbow
No, shared suffering can't crit
cunning urchin
So, the shared hits do crit damage only if the original hit crits?
hearty elbow
Isn't crit determined on hit and not on attack?
cunning urchin
That was supposed to be a question btw lol.
red mist
soooo the fastest way for me to beat a big chonker like doomstone
when I only have zeus special
is to mash special?
hearty elbow
I would apply Boiling Blood, Shared Suffering on all of his ministones then just use the base Power Shot
With no boons he dies extremely fast still
Not literally all*, but all of the ones adjacent to him
cunning urchin
The fastest way to kill Doomstone is to call Antos immediately and just dash to the exit. By the time you get there, you can pick up your boon.
hearty elbow
so you can hit multiple Suffering targets with single attacks
cunning urchin
Honestly, I just always do that lol.
hearty elbow
That seems like a massive waste, he's already like, the fastest miniboss by just damaging him
red mist
well what's the next fastest way
cunning urchin
It's fun.
And the fight is a pain on Malphon.
Also helps with TD3 in Tartarus, either way.
hearty elbow
"Next fastest" way is by damaging him au naturale the way I mentioned lol.
cunning urchin
TD3 seems to be mostly free once you make it out of Tartarus. So if I can turn that chamber into a 1–2 second one, I'll take it lol.
I only use Antos for certain minibosses and boss fights anyway. Works out for me.
hearty elbow
Have you unlocked ||Companion Authority to attack Dad|| yet?
cunning urchin
Yes.
hearty elbow
Interesting, even then then. I usually end up using 0-1 in Asphodel depending on minis, 2 charges in Elysium, and save 2 for miniboss + Dad in Styx.
cunning urchin
I only use one in Asphodel for the Power Couple.
Maybe for Hydra last phase if I somehow screw up and just want to get it over with.
I tend to buy +1 summon any time I see it, though.
hearty elbow
Sneak on some aspects is massively aggravating yeah
cunning urchin
You can just use a summon right as it's coming down. Handles it easily.
hearty elbow
I will probably just Meg it to help with TD3 on Rama in the future
cunning urchin
With proper timing, its shockwave won't even come out, and you can just stunlock and kill it asap once the armor is done.
And Antos or Meg will make sure the Megagorgon's armor will be done, too.
hearty elbow
Yeah, just tested to make sure I wasn't gaslighting myself. Crit appears to be checked when an enemy is hit with an attack, so attacking with Rama into a cluster with Deadly Strike effectively spreads the crit chance around x# of enmies
jagged roost
all my runs with casts builds have failed miserably
jagged roost
I was thinking going for legendary artemis boon for extra casts
robust anchor
thats also juicy
timber creek
Casts I liked playing around with- Dionysus x Demeter, Poseidon x Demeter, Demeter x Artemis
jagged roost
and go for chaos more casts boons and have stygian soul
hearty elbow
I was thinking going for legendary artemis boon for extra casts
@jagged roost That will be an exercise in insanity, just saying lol. It's so hard to get
robust anchor
use the 3casts
jagged roost
@jagged roost That will be an exercise in insanity, just saying lol. It's so hard to get
@hearty elbow i know : (
But il try it even tho its so hard getting artemis boons for legendary
timber creek
Artemis is nice anyway for exit wounds
jagged roost
but does it work for duo casts?
timber creek
Won’t work for things that don’t stick
jagged roost
stygian is reload over time?
@robust anchor at first i thought it was bad but with extra blood and hermes less cooldown boon it makes it rather extremely well
timber creek
It’s nothing compared to 3x mirage shot
jagged roost
yeah hopefully this run i can make a cast build finally work
timber creek
Mirage shot good for non stick casts, too
plain mantle
Finally got Winter Harvest after sooo many runs
The animation for the boss fights are so cool
hearty elbow
It is the most flatulent, yes
bronze sorrel
Theoretical question: you can't use any Olympian keepsakes (Lambent Plume excluded) so you can't force any gods. What keepsakes do you pick for each realm?
For me, itd be:
Tartarus
- Shattered Shackle
Asphodel - Cosmic Egg
Elysium - Bone Hourglass
Styx - Evergreen Acorn
hearty elbow
Why egg
red mist
the wallet is nowhere in that list. invalid.
hearty elbow
RIght lol
bronze sorrel
Cause chaos boons are good, rare chaos boons are better, and I couldn't think of a keepsake that asphodel specifically wants
hearty elbow
It doesn't actually help you get chaos boons though
red mist
^
hearty elbow
So you're effectively equipping it as an atrocious Spiked Collar
red mist
they deliberately designed it to be bad
hearty elbow
Yeah haha, Chaos memes about it
red mist
because that's how chaos rolls
bronze sorrel
Sure but theres a fairly high probability they show and you can force it with light of ixalon
red mist
if they care to balance large swathes of the game in the coming patches I suggest that they nerf acorn
barren otter
how and why would you even nerf the acorn?
red mist
-1 shield is all
bronze sorrel
Eh, acorn is fine, they just need to buff tooth a bit
red mist
it's not a big deal if they don't. it's not op per se, just a standout when compared to the other keepsakes
hearty elbow
Acorn is definitely fine on its own lol. They should buff the swaths of useless trinkets to be competitive
red mist
perhaps that is the better approach
bronze sorrel
When you're fighting em4 you need that 6 hits
hearty elbow
5*
red mist
yeah agreed that acorn is okay
bronze sorrel
Idk, maybe purse over egg, but I like egg. Chaos is my pal.
Also using the purse might require me to acknowledge Hypnos did something useful...
hearty elbow
Have you tried not getting hit?
bronze sorrel
Huh?
hearty elbow
Lol, Hypnos advice
hearty elbow
Yeah, it's probably the best choice if you don't have EM3
Or if you don't need to force another god
bronze sorrel
Basically getting the effect for two realms effectively. If you get a 2 sack you can walk into the Hades fight with as many as 6 well buffs.
How insanely good would Egg be if it also forced a Chaos portal lol?
hearty elbow
I would probably end up using it in Asphodel if I didn't need to force a duo?
It would be good. It's just not really in the spirit of Chaos to guarantee CHaos to show up, they probably did it out of flavor concerns vs. balance
bronze sorrel
I mean excluding olympian keepsakes
hearty elbow
Coinpurse, yeah
forest locust
Whats achilles build?
dense spruce
Is there a guide to which weapons/aspects like which gods?
dense spruce
I’m new so I’ve just been using Coin Purse -> Tooth mostly
forest locust
Zeus attack on achilles?
hearty elbow
Whats achilles build?
@forest locust Usually you start a cast, e.g. Zeus, Ares, Demeter, something that doesn't always lodge is nice
hazy slate
Doesn’t dio cast work with Achilles?
crude gazelle
Is it intended that the relics that give attack power and dodge chance dont work if you clear the rooms in the 4th area? (I've cleared in time/didn't take damage respectively)
hearty elbow
I like picking up Deadly Strike if possible because it scales well with the free +attack damage, and you need to attack to get rid of extra stacks of the buff anyway (if you use 3 casts, then try to refresh the buff, you will end up with 1 charge, not 4)
forest locust
Is achilles a cast build?
hearty elbow
Mostly, yes
hearty elbow
If you want a similar playstyle but with attack/special, Hades aspect is probably what you're looking for
forest locust
Ya i think hades is what i pref
unkempt zephyr
Is achilles a cast build?
@forest locust play not cast build. ahilies not only cast weapon.
forest locust
What do you play then?
unkempt zephyr
forest locust
Ima try zeus attack
hearty elbow
If you're using it just for the attack steroid you may as well be playing Hades aspect
forest locust
what attack do i want
unkempt zephyr
ahillies good to but combo attack + cast better.
hazy slate
aphro or arte attack on most weapons work
hearty elbow
I like Deadly Strike on Hades/Achilles
unkempt zephyr
I like Deadly Strike on Hades/Achilles
@hearty elbow its melt. im love it too.
forest locust
special?
unkempt zephyr
athena. for backstab damage
bronze sorrel
I'm a big fan of Poseidon on Achilles for Curse of Drowning.
unkempt zephyr
you use special. app debuf .use special again. you on enemy back with bonus ttack
cunning urchin
zues dont take benefit from attack damage.
Lightning Strike benefits just as much as any other Attack boon.
Achilles bonus damage is additive.
Only crits benefit more.
forest locust
So zeus attack works?
cunning urchin
The bonus damage is only applied to the base damage of your attack either way.
unkempt zephyr
Lightning Strike benefits just as much as any other Attack boon.
@cunning urchin NO
ahillies dont work on zeus
your base attack yes. but damage from zeus boon NO.
hearty elbow
Every non-Deadly Strike will benefit identically from flat % damage
That's just how the game works
cunning urchin
Chain Lightning won't be doing extra damage. But you'll get the same bonus damage as you would with any other attack boon or with no attack boon at all.
hearty elbow
How much they will benefit proportionally is a different matter. You could make the argument then that Heartbreak gets the "least" benefit (in practice this isn't true, more damage on more damage is a fine combo)
Even if it isn't as much of a total % increase
unkempt zephyr
better to take even aphro or poseidon and one hit enemy then zeus.
hearty elbow
Zeus cast is considered to be one of the better choices atm
bronze sorrel
Tempest Strike on spear seems.... Bad?
hearty elbow
Tempest Strike as a general concept is pretty bad
unkempt zephyr
Tempest Strike as a general concept is pretty bad
@hearty elbow if you dont know how push in walls. yes.
bronze sorrel
Or if you're in the two biomes that mostly don't have walls or in a boss fight.
cunning urchin
Spear? I'm a spear pro. How can I help? 
hearty elbow
smh
unkempt zephyr
2 hammer ups for triple attack. and one for triden like attack.
cunning urchin
The answer is FO0 or FO1 + Pierced Butterfly on spear.
I don't know why I didn't just do FO0 or FO1 at high heat sooner.
HL5 FO1 is way easier than HL0 FO2 lol.
And HL5 FO0 is kinda free.
hearty elbow
If you're stacking Spear attack hammers, you should also probably be looking for the highest additive damage bonuses. Tempest is dead last. (in front Deadly, but obv no crit)
cunning urchin
Imo the only spear attack build that's worth it is Serrated Point. But that's only Dash-Strike. But I only really have experience with Guan Yu.
bronze sorrel
Are you using Butterfly at 50+ now Nyaanyaa? That just makes me sick. I can't pull butterfly off at 15 heat 
cunning urchin
Might play the others more now that I don't have school for a couple weeks.
@bronze sorrel I did for 41 Heat earlier today.
Just don't use FO at all and just spam your Special with Guan Yu.
unkempt zephyr
poseidon save choose. becaus its not huge damage. BUT its push away enemy. tempest do best damage if push in wall.base damage of any slam common boons 100. its mean +100 to attack. if have tripleple. greate you have base damage +300 from one pressing on button.
cunning urchin
Well, not "spam", you still wanna be able to dash away from threats.
Try to get Deadly, Heartbreak, or Divine Flourish.
hearty elbow
Damage conditions with that many "ifs" are typically not great
coarse tendon
can someone confirm, if an olypiam shows up and offers + % damage special for example, and I pick something else, the next time it shows, it offered + % damage special again, can it not give +% to attack on a later point? cuz last run I tried to fish for +% damage attack and got 4x + % special
cunning urchin
Poseidon can work great at the heats most people play at.
It's just higher heat where Tempest Strike has real issues.
unkempt zephyr
if i take on of 2 slam boons. most hard zones its 2 last one.But common.so many wals it.
hearty elbow
@coarse tendon It is random, and prioritizes core boons (attack, special, cast, dash, call) that you do not yet have
cunning urchin
Call is not priority.
unkempt zephyr
guys player what ask about attack NEW ONE.COME ON.Not High heat. its another room)
bronze sorrel
Or in any kind of speed run, since you loose time chasing enemies you just knocked away
cunning urchin
And priority works in odd ways. I'm tempted to think it actually only applies to the very first boon you pick up in a run.
unkempt zephyr
It's just higher heat where Tempest Strike has real issues.
@cunning urchin Hmm) its sound like chalenge)
marsh pumice
No, you only supposed to use Meta
coarse tendon
I ended up with none of the stuff I wanted, do u got a suggestion how to fish for certain things? @hearty elbow
hearty elbow
@unkempt zephyr I'm talking about every heat level lol. Objectively speaking, a benefit that only works with room with particular wall configurations, and not at all on bosses is just not going to be worth it comparatively
I ended up with none of the stuff I wanted, do u got a suggestion how to fish for certain things? @hearty elbow
@coarse tendon Do you have Fated Persuasion?
mighty ermine
I mean tempest strike is still not amazing even at low heat compared to other options lol, sure it works and you can form a build around it with T2s as with other gods
coarse tendon
I used the other 1 to reroll boons and didnt get it that way either @hearty elbow
cunning urchin
Tempest Strike is designed to be the weakest Attack boon. That's not an accident.
bronze sorrel
@cunning urchin Hmm) its sound like chalenge)
@unkempt zephyr
Its 100% a challenge. Lets see your 50+ heat Tempest Strike spear run. Chat respect for life if you survive.
unkempt zephyr
@unkempt zephyr I'm talking about every heat level lol. Objectively speaking, a benefit that only works with room with particular wall configurations, and not at all on bosses is just not going to be worth it comparatively
@hearty elbow tempest strike melt in walls. poseidon have boon what do Tempest strike=athena=demeter. ALSO. we have sea storm.
hearty elbow
It happens, sometimes. You can help buffer the odds by filling out the slots you don't want to get with boons, it makes them less likely to appear.
E.g. if you already have a Strike boon you're less likely for Strike boons to come up from future offerings
cunning urchin
Poseidon is strong in other ways.
coarse tendon
hmm okay, and if I got an special and attack boon, one of these still can get replaced later by another god? @hearty elbow
hearty elbow
Yes, but it's a lot less likely than other of their other boons from showing up
There's nothing you can really do to guarantee something will or will not show up, and sometimes runs be like that, where you won't get what you want, but a big part of the game is adapting and dealing with what you've got at the moment.
coarse tendon
if I take an keepsake to force a new god the chance is still alot lower?
cunning urchin
Somebody said it's 0.5% or 1% or something for exchanges? I don't remember. Something really low.
hearty elbow
You can't affect the odds of replacements from coming up
coarse tendon
hmm okay, maybe I was just really unlucky and played too greedy
do you guys roll with fated persuasion or fated authority?
unkempt zephyr
There's nothing you can really do to guarantee something will or will not show up, and sometimes runs be like that, where you won't get what you want, but a big part of the game is adapting and dealing with what you've got at the moment.
@hearty elbow probably its your exp in High heat speak.becaus when im run i have all 5 main slots and 20+ boons every run. even on 32 heat.
mighty ermine
Persuasion pretty much always, but authority is also fine at low-mid heat honestly
hearty elbow
It's not deterministic is what I'm saying. Obviously you can get the nuts and get everything the way you want it but you can't ever gaurantee it. That is true at every heat
coarse tendon
and do you guys start with an keepsake to force an god or something else?
worn citrus
I guess if you're running persuasion you want to force gods with keepsakes
Or just... adapt.
mighty ermine
Yep, god keepsake to start is typical. Usually either that or plume/butterfly since the latter are a whole run investment deal
coarse tendon
aight
unkempt zephyr
probably most of my run even on High heat its a random. but i start with supporting keepsake.to my begining be safer.or with scaling keepsake to have Huge advanteg in end. Butterfly,feather or (spoiler ||mom keepsake||)
coarse tendon
and now I forced an god and the boon I want is common, should I still take it? (for attack)
lightning strike
hazy slate
Might as well
hearty elbow
If you're in Tartarus you can always use your Persuasions to check the offers and Give Up to go back to the first one if you don't like them
hazy slate
It works but not as well as a higher rarity boon
hearty elbow
You don't need rare boon to finish runs though.
cunning urchin
If you're not running TD3, just take the common.
worn citrus
TD3?
cunning urchin
Tight Deadline rank 3.
cunning urchin
Even with TD3, common is typically fine.
It's just when you add a bunch of other stuff to TD3 like Jury Summons etc. that common might not be enough.
unkempt scroll
Maybe I should try with TD... I just know it seems like the 20% attack/movement speed is too much for me. The game suddenly got quite a bit harder for me :I
tiny sable
Secret mega fun build.... Artemis's legendary + max demeter cast
Pretty much sat back and let my lasers melt everything.
cunning urchin
TD1 is super easy.
worn prism
is hunting blades + mirage shot just not a thing???
cunning urchin
FO can be quite difficult and takes some experience and practice.
turbid needle
It is, Watcher.
unkempt scroll
So I'm not necessarily bad, just because I lose because of FO? 🤔
worn prism
i guess i'm just unlucky then lol
turbid needle
FO is certainly one of the hardest Heat mods, by itself
Since it changes the timing on all enemy attacks
unkempt scroll
Hmm, right... So it'd practically like, trying to learn the game again? As in term of timing, I mean
cunning urchin
Especially, it makes it much harder to react to anything.
worn prism
FO is pain
cunning urchin
So if you don't know what to look for, you won't be able to react in time.
worn prism
was stuck on it for like 3-5 attempts
cunning urchin
Hence practice and experience.
left imp
combined with speed buff from Benefict package, some enemies transform into ninjas
unkempt scroll
BP has speed buff?? FFS 👀
unkempt scroll
There's like 5-6 effects that I have NO IDEA of what they do. All I've noticed are: ghost-clones, laser between shielded, and some regenerative shields
I hate the crystals and the woodoo-things more than the poison
worn prism
stop spitting on me for the love of zeus
unkempt scroll
Ooh! I'm about to unlock the hidden aspect for the bow :o
Nice accident, though x)
After this run, though
blazing pewter
hey guys, if I have Ice Wine and now I found Electric Shot from Zeus (which will change my dionysus cast) so what will happen if I choose this?
will Ice Wine disappear or will i have both?
cunning urchin
All the perks from Benefits Package are pinned here in this channel. https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/608403611151761438/702994531749986445/BP_perks_explanation.png?width=793&height=446
unkempt scroll
Wooh, just picked my second boon from Chaos that increases attack % :D
Hah! I just picked the keepsake that gives obols, while I can't earn them 😂
mighty ermine
@blazing pewter you would keep your ice wine duo boon, but it would no longer do anything, because it needs trippy shot to function at all
blazing pewter
yeah i found it out the hard way lol 😄
bronze sorrel
Nyaanyaa, why would you put the same song on loop for an entire video?
Also, curious, is this world record for most heat on Guan Yu, fastest run at 41 heat on Guan Yu, or something else?
unkempt scroll
Maybe they like it?
bronze sorrel
I got the impression it was intended to troll, but IDK, some people have a higher tolerance for repetition than me lol
cunning urchin
Highest heat unseeded.
The song is playing on loop because I wanted to listen to it on loop because I just finished that game yesterday and wanted to hear the song lol.
bronze sorrel
Ok fair enough lol
cunning urchin
I don't really care if others don't like it, I just wanted to have fun on high heat and only recorded for the leaderboard lol.
bronze sorrel
I mean, I liked the song for maybe 5 minutes
cunning urchin
I've been listening to it all day lol.
bronze sorrel
Oh jeez. I can't do that. My music has to change up regularly
robust anchor
how much was your butterfly by the end
cunning urchin
There's a bug in the test branch that I've found during that run lol. My crit chance was at 100% from Asphodel on, but I didn't notice until Lernie, I think, that something was wrong lol.
I don't know how much bonus I had on the Butterfly at the end. I actually forgot to check.
bronze sorrel
What aspects have people cracked 50 heat on so far?
robust anchor
check pinned in high heat channel
rama and eris are popular
theres one hades spear kekw
cunning urchin
Yeah, there's a spreadsheet pinned in #h1-high-heat-strategies.
robust anchor
tails loves hades spear
bronze sorrel
Huh, I thought there were more than this. Or is this current patch only?
bronze sorrel
Oh I see
cunning urchin
6 people did 50+.
I guess it's better to say 5 people did 50+ in Early Access, and 4 people did 50 in 1.0.
robust anchor
sometimes i wonder if theres some 11yo that casually does 50+ heat runs on moms laptop and hasnt heard of discord
cunning urchin
Maybe I'm 11 years old.
unkempt scroll
Oh, my. That was a lovely set of boons x)
And new record of 21 mins :o
AoE dmg is so fun :D
Uhh, does lighting strike count as AoE? 🤔
Lighting on attack, I mean
hazy slate
I think so
unkempt scroll
Lightning strike, +10% dmg and longer range, +5 dmg for every consecutive hit to a foe, +79% dmg against foes from behind, +53% attack, +53% attack for offensive boons x)
unkempt scroll
Wait, is TD for the entire zone??
coarse tendon
will urge to kill boon from hades increase hangover dmg on special?
worn citrus
Wait, is TD for the entire zone??
ye
unkempt pagoda
will urge to kill boon from hades increase hangover dmg on special?
no
hangover is a separate source of damage, not part of the special itself
coarse tendon
yeah what I thoujght, thx
and u know if hangover can crit from example artemis boon? @unkempt pagoda
coarse tendon
aight cool
solid portal
Question on companions, for Shady (sisyphus) is there a limit to the amount of nectar you have to give him to trigger next quest step or is it rng and you just keep giving him nectar?
empty prairie
I'm using Gilgamesh for the first time and got a pretty early hammer. Got splash dash and Zeus cast so far. Choices are breaching cross, explosive upper or quake cutter.
Any advice? I'm thinking of doing Aphro on special to mitigate the damage increase from maim.
@solid portal Keep giving nectar until you can't anymore. You'll get his quest eventually.
solid portal
i just did lol
cunning urchin
Breaching Cross always #1 on Malphon.
solid portal
^
twin edge
Still haven't beaten game once, but if I wanna try have my first win with the shield, which gods/boons you guys reckon I should focus on?
orchid wasp
Athena and Aphrodite
empty prairie
My first shield win was Aphro attack, Athena dash, Posi special with rupture, Dio cast and then buff the hell out of your attack.
orchid wasp
And Artemis is never bad
empty prairie
Crits are always nice.
onyx parcel
Still haven't beaten game once, but if I wanna try have my first win with the shield, which gods/boons you guys reckon I should focus on?
@Java.exe#3189 dio and aphro duo
Or dio and ares
twin edge
Oh gosh different combinations xD. In each run attempt I'll try a different suggestion and see what works best. Thanks ya'll!
empty prairie
There's loads of options, just depends on how you play a lot of the time. I found that once I wrapped my head around how to compliment my play style, everything else kinda falls into place. :) @twin edge
solid portal
is curse of vengence any good, it's where if you take dmg then foes near you are inflicted with doom, but I don't know what "near" is?
its that, ares call or special is blade rift (which I find slow)
empty prairie
I think it's basically just outside melee range. It's ok. Nothing to write home about. Won't break any build.
coarse tendon
does unlocking an aspect count for investing 5 blood into blade aspects?
empty prairie
@coarse tendon Yes.
coarse tendon
thx !
solid portal
I never know where to prioritize poms lol. money>darkness/heart>pom>boon>hammer. I don't think im lvling up builds enough but I could be wrong.
empty prairie
Anyway, since I've been censored. The only use I've had for Ares call is as an "ohsnap" button to avoid taking damage for a few seconds.
coarse tendon
hammer last? @solid portal
empty prairie
I've found that as long as your main damage source is at like 3 or 4, you're fine. I frequently skip poms.
solid portal
hammer best
abstract island
how does artemis aspect even work on rail4 special
solid portal
@coarse tendon
abstract island
I don't seem to be getting any crits on the radiant damage
cunning urchin
@solid portal shop prices are a good gauge. https://hades.gamepedia.com/Charon
thorn kettle
I have a stupid question: if you build damage on the pierced butterfly for the first 3 regions and then switch to a different keepsake on the 4th region, do you lose all that bonus damage?
unkempt pagoda
yes
drifting vale
You lose it
drifting vale
Yep
spare flare
I have a guide that goes into detail about choosing chamber rewards intelligently, but because I went for thoroughness, not conciseness, the mods don't want to share it.
I'll just have to log into my GameFAQs account after all.
coarse tendon
https://gyazo.com/e313507ee387433ab8e25fbe9cd3848a would poseidon boon still work with 2?
unkempt pagoda
double nova only removes the special's innate knockback, not all knockback
drifting vale
I think it should work
coarse tendon
oof thats gonna be sick 😄
drifting vale
However
It might knock enemies out of the radius of the first tick
So unless theyre against a wall or something you might lose that potential
But if they are against the wall poggers
cunning urchin
@solid portal a better gauge once you have more experience is that you need enough HP to survive, but any more than that is a waste of resources. More damage only matters when it means you kill in fewer hits. Boons only matter if they can offer you something you care for (i.e., damage or utility) that's better than the other options you see. Obols only matter if you can spend them on something you really need/want that's better than the other option.
coarse tendon
does hitting to wall deal more dmg in general? @drifting vale
solid portal
more dmg only matters when you kill in fewer hits" <- well stated @cunning urchin never though to fit that way
drifting vale
It deals slam yeah
coarse tendon
hate it when you get the murder fury
empty prairie
She's the only one that ever really manages to hit me these days. I even used a DD on her yesterday.
5 heat, 0 DD used on final boss. First time I've managed to do that.
solid cairn
welp tried 32 heat with nemesis and died at the start of asphodel
haughty robin
Not sure if this is the right place to ask, but fiery presence at max only does +50% with hestia when I tested on skelly
Is that intended?
limber flax
what are the best spear attack hammer upgrades to look for
solid cairn
I love rerolling athena twice and not seeing an attack
unkempt pagoda
Not sure if this is the right place to ask, but fiery presence at max only does +50% with hestia when I tested on skelly
this is a known issue, the description of fiery presence does not match its effect
it's currently fixed in the test branch version of the game
haughty robin
Awesome, thanks! Wanted to try fiery hestia and was sad lol
limber flax
achilles cast build with stygian soul?
or the normal one
ive been recommended stygian but i feel like that sucvks
solid cairn
got to end of elysium with all 3 DDs on guan yu, minotaur one shot me 3 times now I have no DDs
limber flax
got to charon boss fight on accident
he just clapped me so hard
hardest boss in the game apparently
empty prairie
Yeah he's no joke.
limber flax
is there a good reward?
empty prairie
It's pretty good if you're able to take advantage of it.
robust anchor
the charon reward is ||300g and 20% discount on his stuff for rest of run||
not sure if that needed spoiler tag but just to be safe
unkempt zephyr
need
cosmic vale
opal rock
is there like a limited number of room choices when you reroll from fated authority? like it just keeps bouncing between the same 3 or 4 choices
cosmic jacinth
so is it super hard to perfect the game and if you do try to should you use the gain damage on perfecting stuff?
i mean a run
untold quiver
Peoples thoughts on what God boon to take in Asphodel for Artimis Pblade? I've got Dio showing up already and Aphrodite..... Who else boosts cast stuff well? Posidon for the double cast? Egg to pick up most casts/cast damage easier?
cosmic jacinth
alsoooo any tips for killing charon?
untold quiver
Like all the bosses, pattern learning....he doesn't scale so it's easier to fight him later
empty prairie
It's easier to fight him later but the reward becomes less valuable.
Use the pillars.
tidal hawk
this build is actually nasty
What did I do
Achilles spear plus Crystal cast = death
Just did 1800 damage
untold quiver
Yeah crystal blade rifts tippy shot all good
timber creek
@cosmic jacinth ||Charon has 3 moves - one is to summon waves, you can abuse pillars for protection. More waves appear as he is lower on health
Getting close sometimes results in a knockback aoe.
If he telegraphs towards you he will do 2 large sweeps - dodge these as often as possible as they hit very hard.
You don’t have to get him to 0 hp to win||
cosmic jacinth
||but pillars go bye bye||
tidal hawk
||can you even die to charon?||
cosmic jacinth
yes A LOT
timber creek
Yes, so it is easier to do with multiple dashes/Hermes movespeed
cosmic jacinth
bruh ur build is op
cosmic jacinth
he is like the hardest boss in game from my exp
timber creek
Fighting him in Elysium is probably easiest point
timber creek
But possible earlier, just need to be better
tidal hawk
you know whats sad
I die more on first and third area
than anywhere else
Like defy, I mean
I never lose runs
not once
timber creek
Please take into account that everyone experiences the game differently & what may be easy for you might not be for everyone else
tidal hawk
Obviously
Just yanking chain
games are different for everyone
Like some people suck at certain genres ect
cosmic jacinth
okay tf?
i got hermes than i got athena then i got hermes
in that exact order and like i thought he was supposed to be spaced out in zones XDDD
onyx parcel
Rama feels weird to play
turbid needle
hey\
is it me, that zeus special attack boon
is weak?
i mean, its only electircal attack when you use ur superr attack
unless its very spamable its just once dmg
i had sword upgrade for double swing, it was still used single time
cosmic jacinth
okaaay i just found out that insta retrieve with arti cast and sword of cast is broken op espe with exit wounds
turbid needle
can i manage it somehow to multihit with it? ive herad it work with bow aspect (the one with homing arrow)
i beat hades for 1st time yesterday
opal rock
the zeus special boom has an internal cooldown of 0.2s per target
so not good for spammable on single target, but for multitarget it is great
turbid needle
btw should i exchange ambrosia for titan blood in the begining?
yeah... but you can get like +100% on ur special attack
and it always gonna do more damage
its like 40 or 50 on 1st level
junior harbor
You're forgetting double-strike and the legendary boon.
turbid needle
ii dont understand
so does it work multiple times with the homing arrow aspect bow?
opal rock
if you got chaos shield and the base dmg is only like 15, then getting +100% special dmg wont do shit compared to 40 dmg lightning bolt
cosmic jacinth
yeah its sad u cant have like alot more lightnig on chiron bow XD but way op on dio
pallid dagger
y_ES_
turbid needle
btw should i exchange ambrosia for titan blood in the begining?
pallid dagger
i got Unhealthy Fixation on the Lucifer Aspect!
turbid needle
im using my all nectar for syphilus atm
i thought of spending 5 titan blood to upgrade first aspect to lv5
+25% speed, dmg, raneg
dapper crane
can you fight charon in all 3 zones or just the first? i havent tried looking but in tartarus i lose pretty quick oar does half my health
turbid needle
it could be good with that
untold quiver
Alright looks like my best Pblade EM4 fight yet, 5/5 true shots, 270/270 health, 1DD exit wounds, Ravenous will, Artimis aid sweet surrender, +30 from strong drink
worldly trellis
Is Ravenous Will active when my bloodstones are "in" my weapon? i.e. Beo or Hera
Wondering because technically the counter reads 0/3.
solid cairn
ok guan yu with quick spin is the best weapon in th egame
robust anchor
what if i face a boss
untold quiver
@worldly trellis yes it is it's great on Hera and beo for those reasons
Didn't get him, got a swarm for phase 1, oh well time to see if I can find a good non merciful end build for Demeter fists that I really like
empty prairie
Are Erebus gates worth it? I still haven't unlocked them.
cosmic jacinth
i dont think they are since it is for late game heat five needed for em just to be used
and u need to perfect the area to even get the reward
empty prairie
I'm on heat 5 for pretty much all my weapons now. Except shield.
dawn solar
think I have enough blood saved to max an aspect. any suggestions for aspects that are worth a big investment? I'm thinking either guan yu, zeus, or chiron. spear and sword are my only hidden aspects, should I dump into something I already have or focus on unlocking a different aspect?
robust anchor
for my blood id go for eris rail
solid cairn
unlock all of them first I think
oh yeah eris rail is busted
but I'd honestly just get all of them and then max what you like
cunning urchin
Erebus is pretty good, yeah.
Chiron is probably the strongest out of those 3 you listed.
Safe and does a lot of damage.
solid cairn
bow special getting nerfed tho lol
cunning urchin
Doesn't matter, it's still good.
dawn solar
yeah, i mostly want to invest in something that'll make it easiest to farm blood for the others
solid cairn
chiron works well with pretty much every special
besides zeus
dont use zeus special on chiron
empty prairie
I've only used Chiron once and used Demeter special. It tore everything apart once I got the chill blast.
timber creek
@empty prairie dont do Erebus unless you’re very confident you can clear a room taking 0 hits. You get nothing if you fail. If you win, boons have a higher rarity than normal though
cunning urchin
If you can clear Erebus just half the time, it's already worth it.
Best Chiron build is Heartbreak Strike + Deadly Flourish or vice versa. And get Heart Rend.
robust anchor
basically at that point it’s regular room plus sometimes delicious onion
robust anchor
just be brave
timber creek
I personally don’t do it if I have mob affixes turned on because if I rng fast projectiles it becomes infinitely harder
cunning urchin
Fun practice, though. And the odds for that specific perk are relatively low.
robust anchor
i rigged all boons to be common. was not as hard as you’d expect
empty prairie
I wanna use Guan Yu but at level one that -70% health is a tough pill to swallow.
robust anchor
dont do gy lvl1
cloud barn
it got better
https://imgur.com/a/GXp7D6r
cunning urchin
Why not? Guan Yu Lv.1 is fun.
timber creek
That perk has ruined at least 3 of my high heat runs so far, it gives me ptsd lmao
robust anchor
for u
unkempt zephyr
Best Chiron build is Heartbreak Strike + Deadly Flourish or vice versa. And get Heart Rend.
@cunning urchin just wana add to this Clean Kill. becaus Clean Kill and Heart Rend same.but player can lvl up Clean Kill.and its add alote to total damage too
empty prairie
If I do Guan Yu and never take off spiked collar, it's maybe doable.
unkempt zephyr
adn btw. developers increase Clean Kill scaling from pom on test version
willow fossil
aight guys, i need some opinions, cause im actually in the middle, stygian soul or infernal soul
robust anchor
what aspect and what heat
willow fossil
in general
cunning urchin
Stygian Soul.
cloud barn
depends
cunning urchin
Infernal Soul for certain cast builds.
robust anchor
the relod over time is what i usually use
timber creek
I use the regen one if I’m only casting for the dmg amp
willow fossil
like hera or ||beowulf||
cloud barn
yep
robust anchor
for hera abd beo use 3cast
empty prairie
if u no get hit, no need hp
@cloud barn Thanks, twitch comment section.
robust anchor
you can do spoilers here now
unkempt zephyr
Stygian Soul. its more handy. if you find +1 cast its be better than 4 cast with infernal soul in total damage. specialy vs bosses.Stygian Soul more about sustain damage.
cunning urchin
@empty prairie Collar will add practically no HP. It's bad on Guan Yu.
cloud barn
cunning urchin
You'll want to focus on your Special. Get Heartbreak Flourish, then go for Divine Dash and Zeus' Aid.
Then get Smoldering Air.
robust anchor
i saw someone today with butterfly on GY! very crazy run
unkempt zephyr
41
cunning urchin
But crits are bugged in the current test branch build.
empty prairie
And here I am happy that I'm doing heat 5. 41 is a pipe dream. Haha
cunning urchin
My Deadly Flourish had 100% crit chance lol.
With Charged Skewer, every throw was doing 1k.
I'll attempt those runs again when they've fixed the bug.
Anyway, Butterfly is a great strategy for Guan Yu because the Special is already very strong and can kill enemies very quickly from good range.
cloud barn
lol i only have 1 upgradable boon
cunning urchin
So Butterfly will help you kill most things in 1–2 throws reliably—especially if you get Charged Skewer.
spiral tree
I finally beat extreme measures 4 after like 8-9 deaths in a row to phase 3 hades
Yessssssss
Let’s go!!!!
timber creek
Gj dude
jaunty solar
gj man
i remember my first EM4 run, i literally just tanked everything and killed hades before he could kill me with the nemesis sword
empty prairie
First Varatha hammer of the run, second room. Sweet.
Quick spin, flaring spin, massive spin. On Zag aspect. Not so sweet.
jaunty solar
it was a bomb run ngl
zag aspect is kinda boring ngl
it is reliable and good but boring
also take quick spin on that lmao
empty prairie
It is but I'm very blood poor at the moment so it's what I'm stuck with for now.
spiral tree
I had smoldering air+auto god refill+lightning rod
I just dodged the whole time and let lightning rod and art call kill him slowly
XD
I didn't get hit once until I got to phase 3 lol
solid cairn
just got my first sub 10 minute clear with nem
empty prairie
Noooooo. Just lost my win streak. :(
just got my first sub 10 minute clear with nem
@solid cairn nice.
jade rover
I swear that ||Em4 ||knows when I'm getting too confident
orchid marlin
Does breaching cross for the fists also affect the dash upper or just the dash attack?
unkempt zephyr
Dash strike= dash+attack
orchid marlin
Thats what I thought thanks
coarse tendon
https://gyazo.com/cbf7f9ae4963ff4f4365dfbe8f3d3c84 what does so much dmg in this build? I suddenly melted stuff, is it the razor shoals? I got that a bit later on
unkempt zephyr
its Good base damage from Demeter and Crit chance after special.
solid portal
any recomendations for aspect of Talos builds
unkempt zephyr
poseidon cast Ares+poseidon Duo.alote poms in to it. if wana cast build. easy work on talos.
solid cairn
Poseidon dash is great
solid portal
poseidon all the things
solid cairn
It would be used much more if divine dash didn’t exist
solid cairn
The world record uses poseidon dash
solid portal
I don't really want a cast build with talos but I get it
unkempt zephyr
main thing in poseidon+ares DUo. its create area damage.with Huge numbers and you can pull enemy in to it.
solid portal
I use cast
solid cairn
Combine it with sea storm and it is nasty
solid portal
ok @unkempt zephyr sounds good Ill try it
solid cairn
If you don’t know what to go on a weapon just flail around with poseidon dash and the weapon you’re using doesn’t even matter
solid portal
HOLY COW @unkempt zephyr that video is INSANE
coarse tendon
https://gyazo.com/cf0b2a7ff78ed4c763690763c493587e is 1 good or just take 2?
coarse tendon
aight thx
hearty elbow
(I wish they removed the hammer from the game and made the special like that by default)
Feels kind of bad that you have to prioritize a purely defensive hammer so highly
unkempt zephyr
how i remember befor base special be more larger
hearty elbow
In general the sword hammers are just so bad.
unkempt zephyr
i like damage vs armored,backstab damage,double dash strike,harder last hit in combo. but other ones...
25 damage from wave to artur 
🤣
opal rock
is it just me or is the anvil upgrade at the end total bait
coarse tendon
lol, yesterday I was standing in front of centaur heart upgrade but it actually bought anvil upgrade and deleted the weapon upgrade which was core for my build, almost died on ||hades||
obsidian pumice
If you get bad hammer upgrades before, getting a double hammer boost at the end could give you a much better chance, but it’s certainly a risk
opal rock
yeah.. but even when I am like zero reliance on attacks or specials, just using casts
some of the downsided upgrades just straight up kill you if you get them
opal rock
well bought everything else
there is still some nice upgrades that will help the few times you attack
or special
just seems like the whole thing should be reworked or something, really scuffed thing to buy
latent elk
is there anything special I need to do to get charged volley on the bow to unlock for the daedelus hammer upgrades?
turbid needle
alright, I'm doing a spear run for the first time. What gods are good for that?
I know that the mirror helps with rerolls
for the hammer stuff
coarse tendon
arthur sword feel so clunky
restive rain
@unkempt zephyr
I was never crazy about double nova either, but today I did a run with Thunder Flourish and an increase on my special damage from a couple different boons. With Double Nova I ended up one shotting most enemies up until Elysium.
restive rain
@coarse tendon Arthur sacrifices it’s speed for power, but the trade off is 1000% worth it IMO
Arthur is one of my absolute favorite aspects of all the weapons
It definitely takes a moment to get used to it though, but once you do it feels soooo good
turbid needle
I mean, I have played the spear before. My saves got wiped with the release update
(but it never was my fav weapon)
restive rain
I like Poseidon, especially for the dash. Always keeping people at a distance