h1-builds-and-combat

[limber flax]

i got merciful end today without trying

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, you can do Deadly Strike. It's just so much worse than other options.

[blissful kettle]

isn't it all rng? 😭

[limber flax]

not quite

pick the god keepsakes i guess

[errant narwhal]

i just rolled with what the game gave me, since i started with owl pendant for divine dash

[limber flax]

to increase your chances

[blissful kettle]

makes sense

[hearty elbow]

lol, i did 20 heat with deadly strike on malphon
@errant narwhal Lol, me too. I loved Deadly Flourish on Chaos too. Good times

Stuff tends to just "work" if you don't get hit and hit stuff without a timer.

[potent ember]

accidentally got poseidon attack on fists once 😔

[hearty elbow]

Oof, that one hurts

[hazy slate]

rip

[cunning urchin]

lol I tried to make that work at 32, but the DPS was just so bad.

[blissful kettle]

i had poseidon special on fists with aspect of talos and it worked surprisingly well

[hearty elbow]

Literally Damage per second. "I did my damage this second dash dash and again!"

[cunning urchin]

Tempest Flourish is second highest in damage for +% specials.

Nah, you can do combos just fine with Tempest Strike. It just doesn't hurt anything, and the pushback is meaningless lol.

[blissful kettle]

it was slow but really helpful for not getting hit

[cunning urchin]

That's actually a problem. You often can't wall-slam enemies even when they're close to a wall lol.

Not enough knockback on Malphon's Attack.

[jade rover]

If you're looking at average crit rolls, Deadly flourish averages out to be the second most damaging

[cunning urchin]

Deadly Flourish and Tempest Flourish are about even.

[jade rover]

Actually, no, if this math is right, that's the case for strike boons, but for flourish boons, actually deadly does the most damage

[cunning urchin]

Nope lol.

[jade rover]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1P6oZ6i8zmY6s7PM_AkX_g6bjZ601iP_xi9CxzEpujJ4/edit#gid=1385840302

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, that's my spreadsheet.

[runic grove]

My fav game for right now

[blissful kettle]

i'm just trying my best to not die at the moment 😔

[jade rover]

If that's your spreadsheet, then please explain why the number w/ crit is bigger on deadly than it is on heartbreak

am I reading it wrong?

[cunning urchin]

It's higher at Lv.1 and Lv.2 common and at Lv.1 rare. Otherwise, it's always behind Heartbreak Flourish.

Deadly Flourish in theory ends up overtaking Heartbreak Flourish again at very high levels, but those levels are unrealistic.

[jade rover]

Ok, yeah, you're right~ Scaling wise, heartbreak is better, but at that point you've also got to take into account things like clean kill and pressure points

(I would, personally, still take heartbreak; the weak effect and duo boons are better, but I do think on average over the course of a run, deadly would do the most damage overall)

[cunning urchin]

Well, that's not what I was talking about anyway. I was simply talking about the boon itself.

I'd take whichever I see first between Heartbreak Flourish and Deadly Flourish.

[jade rover]

fair 'nough

thanks for the spreadsheet, btw

[cunning urchin]

Sure thing.

[marsh pumice]

you need to pay for it 🙂

[cunning urchin]

I just tend to make spreadsheets for stuff I want to know myself.

[onyx parcel]

How many people here actually prefer Hera over Chiron?

Hera just seems incredibly boring

Along with every other cast centric weapons

[still wraith]

Between arthur and beowulf which would be better for higher heat runs?

[prime crown]

Casts are fun

[hazy slate]

cast builds are pretty fun

[prime crown]

Although I will say if I go Hera I want Trippy Shot

And all the fun duo boons it has

Hera lets Aphro and Dio casts act normal which is a novelty that separates them from other cast focused weapons at least

And that one shield

[willow fossil]

||beowulf||

[torpid wren]

I like the concept for cast weapons.. i wish the setup was a little bit faster(like holding cast instead of mashing)

[cloud barn]

dont need spoilers here

this is a spoiler zone

[willow fossil]

Well yes you do. And I still do it out of courtesy

[hazy slate]

i think a hermes boon lets you hold cast

to load up the cast weapons

[willow fossil]

Yes

It doesnt have to be cast weapons

[half crater]

Between arthur and beowulf which would be better for higher heat runs?
@still wraith beo

[dark quail]

How do you know if you got the perfect catch?

[willow fossil]

It depends on the build you get, both can be bad or hood

[prime crown]

It'll say perfect catch on the top of the screen

[willow fossil]

It will literally say perfect catch

[rare kayak]

yep

cant miss it

[dark quail]

Oh, so i got no perfect catches yet lol

[prime crown]

It's strict timing sadly

[half crater]

you gotta hit within 0.32 secs

[prime crown]

My tip is it takes a max of 4 bobs

[dark quail]

Maybe i didn't notice it

[half crater]

i think it’s 3 max?

[prime crown]

So if it dipped 3 times already, you can do the fourth guaranteed

[dark quail]

I usually close my eyes and try to react to the sound

[half crater]

mb it’s 4 idk

does that work?

the sound thing?

[hazy slate]

yeah

the sound is pretty distinct

[dark quail]

I can hit it pretty fast

When i look at it i usually get baited

[half crater]

do you get a perfect catch consistently tho

tryna up my fishing game

gotta get me that ||sturgeon||

[rare kayak]

for some reason ive done nothing but perfect catches on overworld

[wintry prism]

I wait for the flash of light near the top of the screen, rather than looking at the actual bauble. I don't get Perfects consistently, but I do catch consistently and have gotten a couple of Perfects from it

[rare kayak]

so the only fish im missing is the worst one

[half crater]

nice lol

[dark quail]

Don't know, will try to look if i get perfect catch next time

[prime crown]

I'm missing the most common and rarest chaos fish

[half crater]

i just got the chaos fish!

[prime crown]

Then two rare greece fish to complete the full codex entries

[half crater]

earlier today!

[prime crown]

Nice!

[half crater]

this is more exciting than winning 32 to the first time

[prime crown]

I haven't even reached heat 10 yet

But battles where Hades boss room having a fishing point feel like an extra 10 heat

So stressful

[half crater]

ofc legendary chaos will be easier than legendary greece...

[prime crown]

It always appears on a bad run

[limber flax]

i dont understand fish timing btw

[half crater]

oh ye same

[limber flax]

2 time i got it

then never again

[half crater]

i seem to always lose when there’s a fish at hades

wait for the flash

[limber flax]

i always react when it move and it says too eraly?

oh flash

hmm

[half crater]

yeah it does a fake out bob thing

it flashes when it’s the real deal

[balmy eagle]

oh god is there an animation/feedback for perfect catch

i didn't even know that was a thing and now I'm worried I've been a fishing failure

[half crater]

the banner will say “perfect catch” if you get one

[obsidian pumice]

It says Perfect Catch at the top of you get a perfect catch

[rare kayak]

you get a better fish

sometimes

when perfect catching

[half crater]

well, you might

yeah

[rare kayak]

pretty worth it in elysium and semi worth it in overworld

[obsidian pumice]

The timing is very tough, and yes it increases the chance of rarer fish

[balmy eagle]

my fishing skills.... subpar

[rare kayak]

somewhat worth it in styx

[half crater]

5% chance for a legendary fish, otherwise a rare fish

on a perfect catch

[prime crown]

I just like filling up the codex personally

[half crater]

sammme

[soft pine]

perfect catch is hard

[prime crown]

Although the mats helped early on

[half crater]

i gotta find another legendary chaos fish to max out its codex entry...

[prime crown]

Same

[rare kayak]

has anyone here actually like, aimed to get the poseidon fishing legendary outside of the guaranteed one

[dark quail]

What's the best way to force the poseidon legendary which gives you 20% more chance to get fishing point?

[soft pine]

I had some success with closing my eyes and just listening for the sploosh

[prime crown]

I'm waiting for a Charon shop to appear in a room with the chaos exit

So I can reroll for the fishing item

[rare kayak]

@dark quail the two resource boosting boons give the poseidon legendary i think

[prime crown]

And I have gone for the legendary fish boon

It makes your run a farming run and shopping for everything

[soft pine]

@dark quail you have to have Sunken Treasure and Ocean's Bounty for a chance to get Huge Catch

[prime crown]

Since you need both of posedions money boons

^

[leaden salmon]

What's y'all's prevailing strategy for avoiding Hades' big circular sweep? His step forward to increase range has me thrown off on the timing and direction of my dash

[soft pine]

you got to see it coming, and dash out right when he sweeps. it's tricky, but you'll get the hang of it eventually

you get caught up when you try to dashdash out of the way but you're too close to him to make it

[slender spade]

If you have double dash then you can time them to keep invuln active and play safe (dash through/away) or aggressive (dash within it and start attacking again). At least, that's how I've found things.

[leaden salmon]

Is it 100% about having multiple dashes? My fav build is Talos gloves and single near-miss dodge, which doesn't feel like it has enough I-frames to reliably get through

[soft pine]

you can do it with a single dash

[slender spade]

Question from me too, actually: did anyone find any glaring weaknesses with the shield? I feel like every weapon has some fair balance (all of them can be Super strong and viable), but the shield is in a league of it's own!

I guess the better question is: is there an enemy that has an answer to 'Block' in Hades?

[soft pine]

if you're right on with the timing

@slender spade Aegis is EZ Mode

bull rush can easily land you in the hot stuff in asphodel if you're not careful

though

I grab piercing shot whenever Daedelus graces me with it, 100% improvement

[slender spade]

@leaden salmon I think you can do it in one dash! You could also run that build, but try score a Hermes boom on the run. That's always super strong and a risk I usually take.

[turbid needle]

no one likes the gun here?

[half crater]

bull rush is great

[soft pine]

gun's okay

[half crater]

yeet yourself around the map invulnerably? sign me up

[prime crown]

Gun is good. Nice with Zeus

[half crater]

gun is also great

[soft pine]

ehh, piercing shot, power shot and arty attack crits for like 1000+

[prime crown]

I'm mainly annoyed because I'm like 10 runs in with gun and still Zeus won't give me lucifer

[slender spade]

The damage get crazy with the shield just like every other weapon, which is FUN, I just find it amazing that NOTHING beats Block. Not even the hands that have hit-grabs.

[soft pine]

with a couple lucky chaos rolls

[prime crown]

I wanna try it at least

[leaden salmon]

I've gotten murdered using gun on asterius/theseus because of movement restrictions

[slender spade]

Maybe it's just the fighting game player in me being like 'I can just block... forever???' !

[soft pine]

I don't care for Lucifer as much, but I haven't really given it a proper shake yet

[prime crown]

I wasn't the biggest fan of gun at first, but it was also the weapon I have the highest success rate with

I suppose I need to like it now

[half crater]

same lol

i hated gun, but i got my first win with eris

[soft pine]

@slender spade get slicing shot and hunting blades, throw your cast and hide behind your shield until every thing is dead. XD

[prime crown]

Default manual reload on switch is also horrible imo

[half crater]

then my second (first 1.0) 32 with eris as well

[prime crown]

I don't like clicking the stick to do it

Nice!

[half crater]

eris is great lol

[soft pine]

eris is crazy good

blow yourself up, then posi call around the room, yeeting for 600dmg a pop

[half crater]

i still can’t really understand why they buffed it, but i’m not complaining

[prime crown]

It's fun, and a lot of the gun hammer upgrades are also fun

My first gun victory while I still hated using it was triple rockets

[half crater]

why 3 rockets when you can have 5

[willow fossil]

I'm mainly annoyed because I'm like 10 runs in with gun and still Zeus won't give me lucifer
@prime crown did you spend the 5 blood?

[prime crown]

Yup

Mainly bad luck

Took forever for Zeus to comment on the gun

Then didn't mention lucifer

[turbid needle]

im still trying to get guan yu too bad its rng

[prime crown]

Then I started the epilog stuff so he's been talking about that instead

[slender spade]

@soft pine oh yeah dude, there's absolutely no doubt the weapon is so fun to use. Was just seeing if anyone has found the counter to it. I tend to skip it when the 20% incentive comes up, or fail fast on it, just cus I find myself toooo strong. Maybe Block is essential at absurd Heat levels?

[prime crown]

So hopefully a few more runs and I'll have it

[soft pine]

just looked at my stats, my most used weapon is the rail....WAAAAAAAAAAAA

[prime crown]

I'm also like at 20 runs with spear (half failed from pre first victory) and I still haven't got all the hammer upgrades for it yet for the prophecy

[red mist]

so I went down to heat 0 to do the excalibur prophecy

and oh boy does this game feel like a cakewalk

[prime crown]

I got serrated edge for the first time yesterday

[soft pine]

SE is broken af

[red mist]

I've been playing with FO1 on since I started playing with heat

[soft pine]

I like getting athena attack with SE, get a roomfull of witches. NOPE!

[prime crown]

Arthur is fun but takes getting used to

Also it has weird dodge offset stuff? Or was that always a sword thing

[coarse tendon]

what is an good boon for fists special?

[red mist]

arthur is easy on heat 0 when all the early mobs just die to one hit lol

[soft pine]

@coarse tendon posiedon.

[red mist]

any % special works on fists

[soft pine]

I haven't devoted much time to arthur. it offends my twitchy-click-spammy ways

[coarse tendon]

and good attack boon?

[red mist]

depends on your fists

[coarse tendon]

I was thinking of doom stack

[prime crown]

I put Poseidon on talos fists once which was hilarious

[red mist]

talos definitely wants a % attack, but anything works for the others

[soft pine]

I usually go zeus attack, posi special and try for the ping-pong wall sploosh build

[coarse tendon]

using demeter atm

[prime crown]

Zeus or just high power like Dem/aphro

[red mist]

fists are nice and flexible

[soft pine]

doom stack works great on fists

[coarse tendon]

but doom stack issue is u might not get the boon

[soft pine]

run reroll dice, you'll get the boons

[red mist]

doom stacking is really inefficient compared to doing any on-hit thing

you could be stacking hangover or just hitting lots of zeus

[coarse tendon]

what fists would you use? @soft pine

[prime crown]

I also like support fire for any quick hitting weapon

[red mist]

it's really just there as a backup plan if you were forced into putting doom on a multi-hit attack

[prime crown]

Just for fun honestly, it's fun to watch

[coarse tendon]

hmm yeah I guess @red mist

[soft pine]

you'll need to substantiate that claim mate, doom stacking on chiron bow melts bosses

[red mist]

chiron bow is an exception

[coarse tendon]

on the special?

[red mist]

no, see, zeus special doesn't work with chiron bow

and hangover isn't very exciting on it

so yes doom stacking works on chiron bow

[soft pine]

you get an attack speed buff on fists and I think it could stack doom almost as well as chiron

[red mist]

a % build is way more consistent on it though. doesn't depend on a second tier boon to come online.

it's not uncommon to leave tartarus with only two boons, and UC will make you sell one

[coarse tendon]

with % builds do u use privileged status or the other 1?

[red mist]

depends on whether you're starting with aphrodite/athena or not

it's harder to turn on PS with artemis start

[coarse tendon]

I was thinking starting with zeus

[red mist]

depends on the weapon

[coarse tendon]

fists

[red mist]

reasonable

[coarse tendon]

would zeus attk poseidon special be able to kill hades? never played fists

[red mist]

technically anything can kill hades if you have the timer off

[hazy slate]

Which aspect fists?

[red mist]

otherwise, zeus-poseidon is a bit awkward on fists

[coarse tendon]

think I go with demeter, theyre all lv 1

[red mist]

their duo boon wants multiple poseidon procs

[hazy slate]

I think talos aspect is better at lvl 1 than Demeter but don’t quote me on that

[coarse tendon]

what would be easiest combo?

[hazy slate]

But I usually go for either aphro or arte on fists

[true forum]

I ran zeus poseidon with aspect of demeter pretty well

[hazy slate]

For special I mean

Wouldn’t the knock back of Poseidon make it so that the extra hits from a charged upper not hit?

[true forum]

nope

instances of damage is quick enough that the push is after

so massive burst

[coarse tendon]

PS wouldnt be great for zeus poseidon y?

[vapid halo]

Yo!!! I didn’t know you could stack chaos bonuses until last night. That’s freaking busted. lol

[red mist]

you can get jolted and ruptured

not easy but perhaps worth gambling on

[vapid halo]

I had two special upgrades stacked on.

[coarse tendon]

aight, ill give zeus/poseidon fists a chance 😄

[vapid halo]

The bow is the best item in the game!

[soft pine]

sideline into demeter and try to get blizzard shot to give you some more offense for boss fights

[true forum]

i saw they're nerfing special on bow

RIP OP shotgun

[coarse tendon]

I start with this lol https://gyazo.com/7163c4b10aee759f3dbeff2cd612e444

[stark ore]

What would you guys say is the best ||summon||? Got no clue where to start

[willow fossil]

Theres no best, I love shady

It depends on what you're trying to achieve

[vapid halo]

No!!!! Track special on the bow is so good tho. 😭

[true forum]

I know, too good apparently xD

[stark ore]

Might go for Dusa since it’s more constant damage instead of one massive burst

[soft pine]

one time I finished a run with a ping-pong zeus/posi sploosh build with rupture and jolted and also somehow managed to get ice wine

[true forum]

that bust is so sexy when it lands though

[soft pine]

but that's probably a once in a lifetime run

[red mist]

wait up folks we still have upcoming balance changes?

rip my first 32 heat clear gonna be invalid

[soft pine]

@stark ore #bouldy4life

[vapid halo]

Yeah. When I had two chaos bonuses on special, one being epic and the other being rare. I was practically unkillable.

[red mist]

I'm sorry I cleared the fury fight in half a minute

[soft pine]

shady*

[stark ore]

Might go for that or Achilles, since his seems like a free Theseus kill

[vapid halo]

What’s ice wine?

[half crater]

demeter/dio duo boon

makes trippy shot not lob, inflict chill and do +30% damage

[red mist]

I'm glad they gave trippy shot good boon scaling

[soft pine]

ice wine is so freakin awesome, I'd marry it

[red mist]

otherwise it wouldn't be able to compete with boiling blood

[true forum]

oooh actually never ran ice wine?

whats it do?

[soft pine]

dudes

get you some ice wine

you'll be like HOW DID I PLAY BEFORE

[true forum]

acutally dont eve

even

gonna pick it up next

[half crater]

just said what it did upthread lol

it’s great; get it for sure

[stark ore]

Personally my favorite Duo is Hunting Blades, I use Achilles and Slicing Shot a ton so it absolutely destroys bosses and elites

[half crater]

try and get scintillating feast as well

[soft pine]

run dio/dem/zeus, if you're lucky you'll get both duos, and make swirly freezy hurty spots that get constantly hit by lightning

[half crater]

that’s the dream duo of duos for trippy

[coarse tendon]

zeus poseidon fist build, do I upgrade attk or spec with poms?

[stark ore]

What boons do you have for each one, and what aspect?

[true forum]

depends on aspec

[half crater]

wait so, you have zeus on attack and pos on special?

[true forum]

aspect

[soft pine]

he's doing zeus attack posi spec

[half crater]

pom lightning strike, then

[stark ore]

Yeah, you’ll basically get double damage if not more if you use thunder strike

[cunning pilot]

Heya! Anyone got any build recommendations for the extrem measures 4th boss?

[coarse tendon]

zeus attk, poseidon special

[red mist]

@cunning pilot in theory you can bring anything to that fight

[coarse tendon]

dememter aspect

[hazy slate]

I use nemesis sword with aphro arte duo and spammed dash attacks to beat em4

[stark ore]

Might be biased but cast builds are gonna help a ton, Ares cast, Athena dash, and Artemis call make fights a whole lot easier

[hazy slate]

Also got double edge hammer

[red mist]

...as you can see. we all approached it differently

[cunning pilot]

@red mist I got really close with the cast bow and dionysis :/ lost at 3rd hp bar

[true forum]

demeter aspect stack EVERYTHING on special

[hazy slate]

Yeah last bar is rough

[true forum]

chaos boon for a plus

[soft pine]

I can see Athena pouting. "I'm more than just a dash!"

[cunning pilot]

Haha

[true forum]

oof

that hits hard

[half crater]

athena is absolutely more than just a dash lol

[stark ore]

If you’re into tank builds then hidden sword is gonna help a ton, especially with Aphro

Athena’s call is also busted, if you pom it enough it’s 20 seconds of invincibility

[soft pine]

I was hoping for a duo in 1.0 that made athena's cast good

[proven osprey]

I really want to try hera with athena's cast

[soft pine]

like ice wine good

[proven osprey]

maybe it's ok

on what kind of build do you like ice wine ?

[half crater]

any build lol

[proven osprey]

or weapon I should say

[stark ore]

Ice Wine works for any build really

[half crater]

works best with poseidon, achilles, hera or ||beowulf||

[soft pine]

ice wine IS the build. XD

[half crater]

poseidon less so, but it’s okay

[proven osprey]

yeah it seems fun, will try it next time

never tried the last one tho

[soft pine]

ooooh, I haven't ice wineded yet with beo

[hazy slate]

Pretty sure Poseidon only really works with casts that lodge

[half crater]

it works best with casts that lodge

[proven osprey]

well poseidon and arte cast is pretty solid

[cloud barn]

hello gamers

[half crater]

but +50% damage on your full wine build is nothing to sneeze at

basically strictly worse than achilles ofc

[proven osprey]

how much % dmg you got with max Achilles ?

[half crater]

150

[proven osprey]

wow

pog

[half crater]

it can be pretty crazy with cast builds lol

[proven osprey]

ok

Achilles Ice wine next run

[half crater]

do it

[coarse tendon]

do the spawned hydra's count as "boss"?

[forest locust]

Nemesis build?

[soft pine]

achilles ice wine is ridonk

[proven osprey]

Nemesis build?
@forest locust Classic aphro/arte works well

[forest locust]

What cast/dash?

[hazy slate]

Dash Athena cast anything works

[willow fossil]

Athena dash works anywhere

[proven osprey]

Arte dash is a good option since you'll dash strike a lot, athena fine too

And I suggest using cast only for the dmg boost so you don't really care

[forest locust]

I dont know what to do trinket orders

Start with aphro -> arte -> ??

[proven osprey]

yeah aphro arte solid

then you have the acorn which is really good

[hazy slate]

Start aphro, if you get arte early then Athena for dash or arte again to try and get the duo

[forest locust]

aphro atk. arte special?

[proven osprey]

I prefer aphro on attack

[fiery ginkgo]

aphrodite is so good

[hazy slate]

In elysium and Styx either acorn or spear point

Or whatever it’s called

[proven osprey]

You can use arte on attack, works well too

[fiery ginkgo]

i usually just go hp collar in styx

i should branch out

[hazy slate]

Arte on nemesis attack is a bit redundant

[proven osprey]

But usually with duo arte/aphro, I feel like aphro on attack deals more

[forest locust]

Aphro attack. Arte special

[hazy slate]

Ye that works

[forest locust]

ty

[hazy slate]

Maybe something that applies a diff status effect on cast so you can get priveleged status

[proven osprey]

then you focus aphro to get more dmg on weak, + aphro arte duo

[forest locust]

Whats privileged status?

[hazy slate]

That’s a mirror upgrade

I guess you don’t have it

[forest locust]

oh

[proven osprey]

mirror perk, you deal up to 40% more on foes with 2 curses on em (weak, hangover etc)

[forest locust]

i do

[hazy slate]

Basically you deal 40% more damage to people who have 2 or more status effects on them

[forest locust]

I cant send pic

rip

[proven osprey]

yeah

you can upload on imgur or whatever tho

[forest locust]

Ya my controller is plugged

idk if my mirror is good

i dont change it. I do heats 10-15 atm

Whats easiest conditions? I find TD. EM and FO super easy

[opal rock]

so like is there any hammer upgrades even worth it when using the aspect of zeus shield?

[lone lava]

Those are good ones to play with if you can since TD is free heat, EM2 actually speeds up the run (and higher EM is fun too), and FO also makes you a pro gamer and speeds up the run by making stuff spawn fast

Other than those I like middle management and benefits package

Those pacts don't really feel 'bad' to me, they add interesting stuff and all that gets you over 20

Beyond that you can add whatever if you need more, just keep in mind that Jury Summons and Calisthenics Program have anti synergy with TD

Sorta applies to Damage Control too but it's not a big deal on rail or fists

Also disclaimer this is just my preference

@forest locust

[unkempt zephyr]

so like is there any hammer upgrades even worth it when using the aspect of zeus shield?
@opal rock all hammer upgrade on zeus shield good. just need understand how use they. total 9 different options.

[opal rock]

well I mean like only the upgrade that gives bonus dmg when blocking will actually help out your special

the rest is just attach upgrades

[unkempt zephyr]

oh. special already do alote of work and have 30 base damage at max lvl. to compare. its like another zagreos with sword go with you and deal damage. but sword have lovers base damage on attack then special of zeus shield. sword have 20 25 30.

If special feels weak and your aspect lvl 1 or 2. try zeus or dionis on special.

DO NOT take on special poseidon.

[opal rock]

yeah for sure

i mean it def seems like the zeus boon is the best one to get

[unkempt zephyr]

i mean it def seems like the zeus boon is the best one to get
@opal rock after aspect be fully upgraded. all be good and available with one exception Poseidon.

I promes you. you can try any think and all be good. even ares or athena or artemis.

And if you take zeus special you target High Voltage=Double Strike>Static Discharge

[opal rock]

i mean rank 5 aspect does 30 dmg, which is same amount of dmg from common rarity zeus special. So a common zeus special is equivalent to +100% special dmg

[coarse tendon]

https://gyazo.com/59e432fdcdb19b571752c68ee9c07752

1 or 3?

[unkempt zephyr]

2

1 first one not for zeus. 3 not for zeus.

[marsh pumice]

is it me or Kinetic Launcher is OP with Demeter Fists?

[coarse tendon]

ooh ok thx @unkempt zephyr

[unkempt zephyr]

i mean rank 5 aspect does 30 dmg, which is same amount of dmg from common rarity zeus special. So a common zeus special is equivalent to +100% special dmg
@opal rock But with boons what i write befor. its be alote better. specialy with High Voltage.Yup equivalent

[opal rock]

yes, that is why I was saying Zeus seems to be hands-down best boons for that shield aspect

also get a free addtl 40 dmg from the legendary boon from zeus

[unkempt zephyr]

not for sure. becaus for example athena special. Its have 80% on epic boon.its deflect damage to foes back. with out any thing else. it HUGE. hydra can kill her self with this. and athena have back stab damage. and numbers HUGE. and shield take benefit from it. it makes 30 base damage be 100 or more.

becaus special 50% time hit from back.

[coarse tendon]

long knuckle any good? @unkempt zephyr

[unkempt zephyr]

long knuckle any good? @unkempt zephyr
@coarse tendon REaly good

[coarse tendon]

cool thx

yeah its juicy 😄

[unkempt zephyr]

@opal rock or for example demeter with same 80% damage on epic boon. its chill enemy. and if you add Arctic Blast every 10 stuck enemy be blow up on 80-120 damage. image this if you hit 2-3 foes?

and foes can go so fast from special.its REALY slow them.

and this not all benefits from even athena or demeter.

@opal rock did you catch this?

[jagged roost]

any good spear builds? using achilles

[unkempt zephyr]

stygian soul.artemis attack + mark and poseidon cast. start with poseidon cast.

after try add or find demeter and artemis.

anithing else dosnt matter. 2 duos to this poseidon cast already do 2k damage. with ahilies its be near 6k. + lvl of your poms. and if you be attacking with artemis attack cast be crit in marked enemy.

@jagged roost catche this?

[jagged roost]

wait whats stygian soul?\

lmao

[rugged wave]

how do you get lucifer to work

[unkempt zephyr]

its mirror upgrade.

Infernal soul Purple side. Stygian soul green side.

[rugged wave]

is it me or is it just bad?

[jagged roost]

alright il give it a try

[unkempt zephyr]

alright il give it a try
@jagged roost stygian soul give you freedom in figth.belive me. and try get +1 cast from chaos. or +1 cast from well of charon.

is it me or is it just bad?
@rugged wave https://www.dropbox.com/s/1fvm7qrlsciq4ys/Luc artemis.mp4?dl=0

[rugged wave]

lol never thougt of using artemis for the special

[unkempt zephyr]

Zeus attack or some thing with HUGE damage bonus.

demeter with arctic blast be good.

if you go zeus you can take endless magazin with out growing damage. if not and you go in god with Huge base attack try take benefin from it and do not take endless magazin.

[rugged wave]

yeah Ill give it a try thanks

[unkempt zephyr]

np.

[spiral tree]

Any suggestions for rail builds for someone new to the game?

[unkempt zephyr]

for new player i cant say. its zeus or dio attack be realy good. try add god with duo with Dionis hangover. or take zeus.

[rugged wave]

get eris aspect cluster bomb and just win

[spiral tree]

@proven parcel

[jagged roost]

@jagged roost stygian soul give you freedom in figth.belive me. and try get +1 cast from chaos. or +1 cast from well of charon.
@unkempt zephyr got it

[unkempt zephyr]

any think on special be good but not zeus and Dio.(yup its reverse). try take triple shot for special + rocket. or try take 300% damage with HUge radius.

[spiral tree]

So if I get Athena attack on Arthur does that mean I get 70% damage reduction in aura ?

[red harbor]

any tips on lucifer aspect on rail? it seems like it would be great fun but so far it bores me to death

[unkempt zephyr]

@unkempt zephyr got it
@jagged roost Btw becaus artemis. look at artemis legendary.

[stoic thicket]

Zeus on Attack and watch the fireworks.

[jagged roost]

one sec

fully loaded

[unkempt zephyr]

understand now why artemis truly with stygian soul?

[jagged roost]

so i need artemis keepsakes for max boons so i get legendary right?

cuz i need 2 from her plus attack

[unkempt zephyr]

so i need artemis keepsakes for max boons so i get legendary right?
@jagged roost keepsake help/but need special blessing from artemis. look at rigth side of opened codex when you look at legendary

[jagged roost]

so what i got from it
3 boons from artemis (2 for legendary 1 attack)
posideon cast
demeter boons

[unkempt zephyr]

and 2 duos. Poseidon + artemis and poseidon + demeter.

[rugged wave]

what's the best aspect for spear btw?

[jagged roost]

mirage shot?

[unkempt zephyr]

yup.

[jagged roost]

and blizzard shot

[unkempt zephyr]

and poseidon + demeter. this more important.

[jagged roost]

got you oh man iv never tried a cast build before

this will be fun

[unkempt zephyr]

with this you can beat 20+ heat and more in ahilies spear easy. if understan how build work on 100%.and add handly hammer ups for you.

Chaos preference +1 cast. if dont=> take rarity. if dont =>take attack.

got you oh man iv never tried a cast build before
@jagged roost and this not full cast build. it becoming more cast when you find more +cast. with out alote casts you free to use buff from special to attack realy well.

[fair plinth]

goodness me

fists of demeter is some cray-cray stuff

managed to finish a gold trove with 141/150 gold remaining

4 armored mobs stacked together and instantly vaporized

[heady relic]

What are some of your favorite Mirror Talents/Boons for Aspect of Hera? I'm wanting to try something new. Not sure if Strygian soul or Infernal Soul either.

[unkempt zephyr]

What are some of your favorite Mirror Talents/Boons for Aspect of Hera? I'm wanting to try something new. Not sure if Strygian soul or Infernal Soul either.
@heady relic if find +1 cast for hera. Stygian alot stronger. befor its stronger only in sustain damage like bosses or long figth. and not need run for pick up cast.

try both. but if you go in Stygian truly need +1 cast from chaos or charon well. and you start do insane things.

[primal hazel]

Also always aim for artemis legendary and hermes legendary I'd assume

[dark quail]

I managed to beat thanatos 33-0 lol

[heady relic]

I guess Art legendary too. I've been using a lot of Art and am a bit board of just crit. I love doing status effect highjinx

Thanks y'all

[primal hazel]

Good luck on those numbers

Go big or go home xD

[cold hamlet]

Any tips to get exclusive access duo as soon as possible in a run? I want to try it out to snowball super hard

[primal hazel]

Look at the codex

Try to meet the reqs asap

[cosmic vale]

aspect of ||lucifer|| on exagryph is like

[primal hazel]

By taking keepsakes of those gods

[cosmic vale]

real good right

[primal hazel]

Also a certain mirror upgrade

Otherwise it's just luck

[lone lava]

It's good yeah and it works well even with just lvl1 and no more blood invested

BUT imo eris is better/best

[primal hazel]

Level up just increases the special pulse damage right?

[coarse tendon]

lvling god's legacy or god's pride?

[heady relic]

Huh....Hera Bow and Chainshot. Would my Cast hit all the targets in chainshot??

[primal hazel]

And as the special is inferior imo leveling up shouldn't make the biggest difference

Should

[heady relic]

Just now looking over the hammer upgrades with the bow.

[cosmic vale]

what's better about eris

i'm not familiar with what it does sorry

[soft pine]

+75% to all damage when you stand in your own special splosion. works on everything, atk/spec/cast/dash/AND CALL

[primal hazel]

Literally all damage

Also your dots from hangover f.e.

[cosmic vale]

oh yeah that does sound quite good

i don't have much titan blood atm though and ||lucifer|| is cheaper with less investment i think so

[primal hazel]

It's more transformative to gameplay at least

[soft pine]

oh dang, sorry, thought I was in another room.

[brisk island]

/me yelling inside
Devs deleted Divine Dash from Merciful End duo unlock condition.
I'm such a slowpoke, checked that right before Final Boss fight.

[unkempt zephyr]

its aslready weeks ago probably changes.

i dont know. dont use this

[heady relic]

Awww,it looks like your cast with Aspect of Hera and triple shot only hit the first target 😦 😦

makes sense, would be op otherwise I guess. I wonder if some cast boon would act differently??

Trying it with Art's cast now and it doesn't bounce with the arrow hit.

[brisk island]

@unkempt zephyr thats problem for me cuz it is dropped in my "crystalized" memory.
I'm knew about this unlock condition (old ver) about more than year & now it is false.

[violet cedar]

hi guys. Any suggestion for GY build to clear 32 heat?

[unkempt zephyr]

hi guys. Any suggestion for GY build to clear 32 heat?
@violet cedar Do not take double afficses on Armored enemy.Middle Management

[heady relic]

If I were you @violet cedar my first step would be to double check my health insurance is working because my heart couldn't take it.

[fair plinth]

do not take calisthetics

[violet cedar]

lmao ive cleared all spear aspects @ 32 heat except that one

yea armored enemies are giving me trouble specially the witch circle mini bosses

[novel maple]

I beat the game with the last weapon today. So I have 17 blood now but I'm unsure how to spend it. I think I'm debating between Chiron, Achilles and Eris aspect but not sure what to take and how much blood to spend on it. Do you have any advice or recommendations?

[unkempt zephyr]

probably its choose Hl or MM2

what you pref

[novel maple]

well so far I really like ranged or cast builds the most I think. the only close combat think I really liked was Talos

[violet cedar]

Im not rly sure yet. Just did like 3 runs and kept dying coz of the damm witches. my hammer rng sucked and went with the 3 simultaneous spear atk(forgot the name sorry)

[unkempt zephyr]

Im not rly sure yet. Just did like 3 runs and kept dying coz of the damm witches. my hammer rng sucked and went with the 3 simultaneous spear atk(forgot the name sorry)
@violet cedar athena attack?

[violet cedar]

it was either that, the sturdy charge spear charge or the multple dash atk

ive tried dio atk and ares special 2 runs

[unkempt zephyr]

it was either that, the sturdy charge spear charge or the multple dash atk
@violet cedar dash strike to deflect

HUGE area of deflection.even with out athena attack spear dash strike destroy almost all projetiles.

[violet cedar]

Hhhmmmm... ok I'll try that route

how abt for special?

or i just mainly use atk for that run?

[novel maple]

how much blood does it cost to max an aspect anyways?

[unkempt zephyr]

i dont play on GY alote.i just know GY mechanic and play on ahillies attack+ cast. or Hades on attack or spin.

how much blood does it cost to max an aspect anyways?
@novel maple 15-16

[drifting fable]

@novel maple, 5 for the first, 15 for the second, 16 for the third

Including unlock costs

Not sure about the special aspects

[violet cedar]

Ok thanks for that @unkempt zephyr

[unkempt zephyr]

@violet cedar you try dash srike destroy projectiles?

[heady relic]

@unkempt zephyr Thanks for the Hera tips. I'm about to fight hades using Hera, Artimesus's cast, Stygian and I have 5 Stones 😄 😄

[unkempt zephyr]

it be fast i think)

[soft pine]

5 stones with stygian? dayumm

[ornate remnant]

https://i.imgur.com/yGXgq0A.jpg

how much damage does bow special do?

[soft pine]

that's wack

[ornate remnant]

i'm wondering if this would do more

[heady relic]

Yeah, I got lucky. @soft pine

[hazy slate]

Don’t use Zeus with Chiron special

[ornate remnant]

why not

[hazy slate]

Zeus zaps have internal cool down

Of 0.2 seconds

[unkempt zephyr]

Zeus proc have hidden CD on proc. its 0.2

[ornate remnant]

oh that sucks

[hazy slate]

Which means you won’t be proccing the zap on all arrows for Zeus special

[solid hazel]

What are your opinions on Demeter legendary?

I calculated that it's equivalent to a 11% multiplicative damage increase + 50 blast damage... Which sounds super unimpressive for a legendary

So it makes me wonder if I calculated wrong

[cloud barn]

it gud

it looks cool

on bosses

[limber flax]

what does post rush dmg mean on archilles aspect?

based on time

or one hit?

[solid hazel]

I mean I kinda agree, but other than aethetics it kinda sounds bad

[limber flax]

or just the charge

[solid hazel]

It's 4 hits that doesn't reset

[willow fossil]

does anyone know what chamber theseus is??

[limber flax]

35?

smth like that

[solid hazel]

So if you do a bull rush, and then 1 cast and then a second bull rush you still have the buff for 3 more hits

[cloud barn]

ye

[limber flax]

uh

sry that text kinda confuses me

[solid hazel]

I edited a bit haha is it still not clear?

[cloud barn]

i think they're saying the number of hits only refreshes when you have none left?

[solid hazel]

Yeah

[limber flax]

is second bullrush the dash?

[solid hazel]

Uhh no the dash is the bull rush, throwing the spear doesn't give a buff

[limber flax]

ah yea

but after a single bull rush

its 4 melee hits?

[cloud barn]

or casts

[solid hazel]

So after the bull rush you get 4 attacks or casts buffed

[limber flax]

okay thanks guys

[solid hazel]

You cant refresh the buff until you use up all for 4 buffs

Why? Nobody knows haha... They want you to count while you play

[limber flax]

so if i bullrush after 3 hits i still only have 1 hit left?

[solid hazel]

Yup

[limber flax]

or is spear throw buffed too?

[solid hazel]

Only attack and cast, so no

[plain violet]

https://imgur.com/a/zVQXqbk hmm what to pick

[limber flax]

okay

👍

[plain violet]

I feel like urge is the pick

but idk

[limber flax]

what weapon

[plain violet]

bow

the one where you load a cast into the shot

[solid hazel]

Assuming your using slicing shot it's probably the best one...

[plain violet]

urge buffs slicing shot though is why I'm unsure

since that buffs cast damage

[solid hazel]

Although I have to say that's my least favorite cast on bow

[plain violet]

• atk and special

[solid hazel]

Cuz it's so awkward

[cloud barn]

slicing is best

[plain violet]

weird I'm loving blade rift on the bow lol

[cloud barn]

4 damage per hit is 20 extra DPS

yep, its good on hera

[solid hazel]

Hmm maybe I should try it again

[proven osprey]

I never tried shattered shackle

[cloud barn]

aphro and ares are amazing on Hera

[proven osprey]

is it ok ?

[cloud barn]

ye thats fun

its amazing with excalibur

[proven osprey]

oh yeah

[plain violet]

https://imgur.com/a/IlghRoB here's a more informative pic

since it has my build atm

[cloud barn]

slicing shot

[mighty ermine]

Urge to kill is a small additive bonus, and upgrading it typically does next to nothing

[cloud barn]

100%

rift hits 5 times per second

+4 damage is +20 dps

per rift

per second

it's miles more than urge gives

[plain violet]

I'll upgrade rift then, sounds like more dps

[cloud barn]

ye

[solid hazel]

I mean also even without knowing anything about rift increments you can just tell its 28/24=1.16x more damage

Which is way better than the urge to kill

[plain violet]

I was factoring in dmg increase to attack as well

since I have machinegun bow basically

where I hold down square

plus triple shot

[solid hazel]

The urge to kill is only a 2% increase...

[plain violet]

basically budget railgun

yep, that's why I'm going to rift

[solid hazel]

So unless your attack is doing like 5x as much damage as the rift... The rift is better

[limber flax]

whats a general build i should look for when playing archilles?

or what boons

[solid hazel]

Casts are considered the strongest

So like electric shot on Achilles is a speed running strat cuz it clears rooms really fast

[unkempt zephyr]

whats a general build i should look for when playing archilles?
@limber flax read my dialog with this guy https://discordapp.com/channels/456889434672201729/520688402958516254/764194404529078294

[cloud barn]

personally i love aphrodite, ares, and artemis casts the most

[limber flax]

okay thx

[solid hazel]

But like more single target oriented would probably be Dio, Demeter cast

[cloud barn]

tbh artemis is really only to beat thesius

but that's worth it

he deserves it

[plain violet]

no love for athena cast?

[cloud barn]

oh right

forgot that exists

[limber flax]

whats stygian soul

[plain violet]

especially if you get the bounce one

[solid hazel]

Athena and Poisedon are like all purpose to casts me

[cloud barn]

yeah, they good

[mighty ermine]

Lightning phalanx is very good on achilles

[solid hazel]

They're both good but not amazing at anything

[plain violet]

just basically make any build captain america with reflection

[limber flax]

for me all purpose cast is dio , i have bog like in 70% of my runs lol

[cloud barn]

but I need to focus on one damage source or combo because if i don't specifically go for that thing then i will forget that i have it

:)

[solid hazel]

Dio is great too... problem with Dio is that it doesnt stick blood stones in enemies

[plain violet]

I know that acorn is the popular choice but dang if pom blossom isn't a ton of fun

[cloud barn]

yeeee

pom blossom rise up

[solid hazel]

So no boiling blood/abysmal blood and bad synergy with Poisedon aspect

[cloud barn]

but you see

[solid hazel]

But still... It's pretty good other than that

[cloud barn]

hang on

i gotta find what im thinking of

[limber flax]

i thought dio is the best cast in the game

[solid hazel]

I think that's an oversimplification... It really depends on what else is going on in your build

I wouldn't say it's wrong to say it's often a solid choice

But like I wouldn't take it on Poisedon aspect

[limber flax]

i see

also

archilles aspect means cast build?

is that the main thing?

[solid hazel]

The fact that Dio cast lobs can be a major drawback for some people

Achilles cast build is probably the strongest way to build it

But attack build can work...

You just have to refresh the buff a lot more

[limber flax]

i dont have stygian soul yet

so no cast build for me right?

so far

[cloud barn]

https://imgur.com/a/00aaOxO

insane with ares

hermes legendary, boon requirements on the far right

[solid hazel]

I usually use infernal soul on cast builds actually...

[cloud barn]

well

you cant get this with that :P

[solid hazel]

Stygian on poverty hera, but mostly infernal

[cloud barn]

permanent +50% cast damage

with ares

[limber flax]

ah wait

i have stygian

oops

[cloud barn]

or demeter or dio

honestly

im thinking of running lambent plume just so I can get the good hermes boons

[solid hazel]

Yeah that's fine too, theoretically stygian is better than infernal if the fight lasts long enough

[cloud barn]

because you can only find max 2 hermes boons, and a chance for one from charon in styx

[solid hazel]

So good on bosses

But I find most rooms die pretty fast with infernal

[limber flax]

are all of the green mirror upgrades worth upgrading?

[cloud barn]

choose what you prefer

it's customizable for a reason, whatever you like most is the best for you

[solid hazel]

Ehh...that has a very complicated answer

[plain violet]

I almost never take auto reload so no wonder I've never seen that XD

depends on the build for if I do

[limber flax]

uhm

[turbid needle]

I really like the lucifer aspect but I cant make good use of the special at all

[plain violet]

certain gods make the special more useful

like athena or zeus + lucifer special are great

just chill behind a sphere and it'll reflect

and zeus it'll explode if someone goes near one

[solid hazel]

For the average player, stubborn defiance is probably a no go, and dark regeneration doesn't seem good most of the time to me

[limber flax]

man so cast build with stygian?

1 cast is kinda oof

[solid hazel]

But other than that I cN think of some situations where I use both purple and green

[turbid needle]

@Murf2 sounds cool actually, never tried those. Thanks

[cloud barn]

chaos and artemis with auto reload is insane, as they can both give more casts

[plain violet]

also the artemis one makes those do so much damage

[limber flax]

yea high confidence also not good fgor new player

[plain violet]

probably of those 3 those were my favorite

crit lucifer specials hit for dumb damage

[solid hazel]

@limber flax if you have hidden sword aspect high confidence is attractive

Ruthless reflex with hidden fist aspect too

But yeah typically I think of those as speed runner picks... Definitely not the average player

[fair plinth]

can someone explain curse of longing?

[cloud barn]

also

stygian soul + hera is amazing with the demeter boon that gives damage and damage resist while empty on casts

because you always empty on casts :P

[restive rain]

I base my mirror choice on the weapons. Like for ||Hera and Beowulf|| I use the multiple cast instead of the timer

[fair plinth]

"Your Doom effects continuously strike Weak foes." doom keeps triggering, 50% less damage each time? How many times does it trigger? is it 50% less damage each time so 100%>50%>25%>12.5%? What happens when you reapply doom? What happens when you reapply weak for... a really long time? how frequently does it trigger?

[solid hazel]

The only thing with the hermes legendary is that I find they have high opportunity cost... Like there's so many other great picks from hermes I don't want to take a specific prereq in hopes that I get the legendary

[cloud barn]

you dont need to with lambent plume

it's an option for all of the good ones

[solid hazel]

True, butthats like 2% of my runs

Maybe switch to lambent plume in asphodel just for tha? It could be good

[cloud barn]

or you could use it in tartarus because its easy either way

[solid hazel]

Yeah but that means I don't get to pick my first god

[cloud barn]

yeah

do you not enjoy the thrill of wondering who you get?

[solid hazel]

Typically I run lambent plume the whole time or not at all, but I'd be willing to try asphodel for hermes legendary

The thrill of wondering what I get usually results in subpar builds that die to em4 hades haha

[cloud barn]

haha

[limber flax]

https://imgur.com/UFuU6Kj

archilles

opinions?

skewer?

[turbid needle]

Serrated Point is alright.

I'm a sucker for Flurry Jab, but none of those are a bad option.

[limber flax]

nah i dont want less dash range tbh

[cloud barn]

pick what you prefer

game is best experienced that way

[limber flax]

tru

ah wait

does skewer seconf effect not work with archilles?

[turbid needle]

It does.

[limber flax]

it buffs the dash?

[turbid needle]

Yes.

[limber flax]

okay good

[unkempt pagoda]

the raging rush counts as a retrieval

er, "recovery"

[solid hazel]

Oh cool didn't know that

Not sure it's that relevant... It's not like raging rush is much damage on its own

[fair plinth]

does chain lightning (zeus attack boon) trigger double strike?

[unkempt pagoda]

nope, only bolts do

(double strike only shows up if you have a thunder bolt boon)

[limber flax]

is curse of drowning good

[unkempt pagoda]

yes

[onyx parcel]

I hate it

[unkempt pagoda]

best on melee builds though

[onyx parcel]

But it’s good

[limber flax]

im trying cast build rn lmao

although im not sure if its working

i didnt get chaos

for second cast

[fair plinth]

hmm

room before boss, I normally choose charon but I have a chaos gate and chaos just said "fall into the abyss"

is this some special dialogue event?

[fickle summit]

Didn't break sub 15 bow but I got a 2:53.10 Tartarus.

I don't know how I lost a minute in Asphodel but somehow lost a minute in Asphodel, big sad.

[soft pine]

I blame the lava

[fickle summit]

The thing is I genuinely don't know what caused the time loss though

It felt like a normal Asphodel then just whoops you lost a minute lead

[soft pine]

maybe the barge? it takes longer to clear coz there's pauses between the various waves

#blamethebarge

[fickle summit]

I did do barge but I honestly thought barge was a pretty average length room

[turbid needle]

||I want the megara companion, but I am rarely able to give her a gift in the couryard, even when shes actually there - whats the condition for me to be able to gift her?||

[fickle summit]

https://twitter.com/SpiderOuija/status/1314677962260660224?s=20

Got a really sweet looking room clear though

OuijaSpider (@SpiderOuija)

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For me atleast.

[hazy slate]

i think fighting her and winning

[solid hazel]

@turbid needle there's a hidden parameter that stops storyline from progressing after every run... Absent of hacking the code, the only thing you can really do is keep playing runs

[willow fossil]

since when can theseus hit thru columns?

[fickle summit]

If he believes in himself idk

Just sorta happens

[solid hazel]

He gave ambrosia to bouldy

[willow fossil]

amazing

[fickle summit]

I think also if he's returning his lance it can go through columns

But that I'm not certain of

[willow fossil]

but if the lance is on the side of column

it shouldnt hit me no?

[fickle summit]

I mean it's a pretty large visual queue I'd say it's not too bad to just dodge if you'd want.

I'm no professional though, I just like the game, lol.

[willow fossil]

im trying to understand

he aimed at me, i hid behind a column like i usually do, he threw the spear at me, the spear hit the column on the other side of me like it usually does, then when he recasted it, it damaged me

[spare flare]

Maybe something else hit you.

Sometimes, Asterius's waves can travel pretty dang quickly.

[willow fossil]

asterius was dead

[fickle summit]

Clip?

[willow fossil]

crap my bad, shouldve recorded it

[fickle summit]

Nah it's fine

[willow fossil]

was frustrated at the moment since i lost a death defiance cause of it

so i just wanted to kill him

[plain violet]

btw, I hope they improve the hitbox on hades lasers

sometimes I get hit through the rock

||https://imgur.com/a/IWwhQ7G||

like look at this

can unspoiler tag but didn't know if that'd be too spoilery

[drifting vale]

Yeah thats caused by the isometric view

Its definitely an annoying issue at best and a serious problem at worst

[plain violet]

I just assume it'll go through at this point and try to find a sweet spot, sometimes wind up eating extra damage though

[drifting vale]

Im pretty sure it looks strange because it tracks once it hits you (i can't confirm that but it feels like it maybe it slows?) And so if you get just before the pillar and go behind it youll take some more damage after your behind the pillar

[proven osprey]

@half crater I did the Achilles wine thing

Did not get the duo but was fun anyway

[lone lava]

@cloud barn it's actually sorta viable to take lambent plume in asphodel for the hermes stygian soul legendary, I saw wriste13 I think? Do it on a beowulf stygian dio cast run

[cloud barn]

you say "viable" but you mean "speedrun viable"

[lone lava]

Hey, if it's speedrun viable it's probably also normal run viable haha

[proven osprey]

Does Urge to kill breaks the shattered shackle ?

[lone lava]

I think I would do it if:

• I'm running a stygian soul cast build that doesn't lodge bloodstones
• I naturally got the 2nd god for my duo boon of choice in tartarus

Could probably take plume for elysium even if you only took 1 or ideally 0 hermes boons so far

No @proven osprey

[proven osprey]

[lone lava]

Only primary boons disable it's dmg buff

[proven osprey]

So I can take pressure point too

yeah I thought so

[limber flax]

okay picking drowing good was a mistake

[lone lava]

Wha

Drowing good?

[limber flax]

drowning god

or good

dont remember

ah wait

curse of drowing god

that

[spare flare]

Primary boons do, however, disable the buff (for that attack type only) even if they don't have a damage %, so Dionysus, Zeus, and Ares boons don't get any special favor.

[proven osprey]

Yeah that's fair

[solid cairn]

Every time I try high heat I lose and attempt and then I’m like “this is boring I want to speedrun”

[fickle summit]

Idk if it's just me but poseidon dash with decent damage has been working really well

[unkempt pagoda]

splash dash builds are actually really good

[hearty elbow]

Lol, yeah, Rupture scales soooo well with both rarity and poms

Eris Splash Dash ftw

Don't even bother using the attack, just for politeness

[solid cairn]

that is the speedrun strat

eris is broken

[hearty elbow]

Oh god, if there is one guaranteed way to get an aspect nerfed, it's to get a high profile heat clear using Eris and Splash Dash.

No one do this pls

[unkempt pagoda]

i think you mean ruthless gil splash dash :v

[solid cairn]

I beat the game in 9:23

with eris

[hearty elbow]

The weird thing is, Eris really didn't change much. People just got wise to it. I didn't even have it unlocked until 1.0, but it's basically all I've played on my Switch save lol

[fickle summit]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/586293324609093677/764257062665715732/20201009_184403.jpg

Also this run right now what

[solid cairn]

it got buffed from 60% to 75% damage buff

[turbid needle]

That's not a tremendous buff.

[unkempt pagoda]

eh, i wanted to like pre-1.0 eris but i felt it did slightly too little damage

[solid cairn]

but yeah the multiplier on top of the flat damage from zeus that also boosts every single form of damage is insane

[unkempt pagoda]

plus hestia had all the hype back then

[solid cairn]

it is a prime candidate for a smoldering air build\

[unkempt pagoda]

tbf, any weapon is a prime candidate for SA lol

eris is just prime-r

[hearty elbow]

I think Eris was always bomb, but when things get buffed people pay attention

Me included

[turbid needle]

Eris has always been excellent.

This is Rocket Bomb all over again.

[fickle summit]

I guess I should remember that for if I try to speedrun with Lance.

[hearty elbow]

If they reverted Eris to 60% in test branch I would still consider it the best weapon in the game (oh god SGG don't read this don't read this)

[unkempt pagoda]

y'all said too much and now bow special is getting nerfed

smh my head

[fickle summit]

Does anyone have recommended speedrun builds for the weapons?

[hearty elbow]

what aspect?

[fickle summit]

Uhh

Whichever is consistently the faster one for each weapon

[unkempt pagoda]

Whichever is consistently the faster one for each weapon
currently uh... checks speedrun .com eris

and dem fists

[hearty elbow]

Ooof, with questions like that I think you have a longer road ahead of you for just getting better at game mechanics first, then asking about speedrunning 😛

[solid cairn]

@fickle summit I mean my PB of 9:23 was with eris so yeah

join the speedrunning discord for more answerds

[fickle summit]

I really just want sub 15 with bow atm, but yeah

[solid cairn]

hera is the fastest bow

[marsh pumice]

Do it now while you can

[solid cairn]

wut

[hearty elbow]

Lol yeah wut

[solid cairn]

oh

apparently they're reducing special damage on bow for some reason

[hearty elbow]

The bow speed clears are all twin shot attack builds though iirc

[fickle summit]

I have the unfortunate case of no capture card-itis so I can't actually do speedruns of full games unfortunately.

[solid cairn]

The bow speed clears are all twin shot attack builds though iirc
wrong

[fickle summit]

It's been Switch ILs all the way for about a year

[hearty elbow]

Yeah, I just don't follow the speedrunning meta, what's the good good with bows?

[solid cairn]

hera

[hearty elbow]

No, I meant the other ones lol

Hera is barely even a bow with speedrunning, it's just a bomb delivery system

[solid cairn]

there is a single bow on the leaderboards that is not hera

it is at the very bottom

[fickle summit]

I've been trying to sub 15 with Zag bow

[solid cairn]

and it's chiron

[spiral tree]

...

[hearty elbow]

Womp womp. Buff bow SGG pls

[spiral tree]

I had like 4 duos and 1 legendary....still died to EM4 hades phase 2

=/

[solid cairn]

oh chiron can definitely do better

[spiral tree]

is hera bow the best?

[solid cairn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/392070250511728653/764260526170570752/unknown.png from the speedrunning document

[untold vortex]

I mean, you can point a camera at the screen ;)
also there's a pretty cheap hdmi capture card that I've heard good things about @fickle summit
https://www.amazon.com/Idealforce-Recorder-Broadcasting-Streaming-Recording/dp/B08882GJ95/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=HDMI+to+USB+2.0+Video+Capture+Card+1080P+HD+Recorder+Game%2FVideo+Live+Streaming&qid=1602284320&sr=8-1

[solid cairn]

and also this

Zagreus Bow can also get very fast times, but like Guan Yu, it requires a certain hammer: Twin Shot. This outdates it slightly. Chiron Bow may also be fast, but we’re unsure. Same deal with Rama.

[fickle summit]

Hmm

[hearty elbow]

Also grain of salt that the speed clear and heat clear cultures are kind of mutually exclusive, there's only pretty limited community overlap

[unkempt zephyr]

When speed runs starts?how much time to go?

[solid cairn]

wut

[unkempt zephyr]

2min

[solid cairn]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1MhZZAD5lcz3FyU9MGiWEWfnO3Zve0KXb0NQhyGuG0xA/edit#

[unkempt zephyr]

befor race start

[hearty elbow]

It'd be cool to have more active people here from the speedrunning side and visa versa

[fickle summit]

I mean this game has great speedrunning potential but then there's Styx...

[solid cairn]

read this

Haelian kind of is a part of both

[unkempt zephyr]

I mean this game has great speedrunning potential but then there's Styx...
@fickle summit thay fearless

[untold vortex]

Haelian is in both, so is Jerds

[hearty elbow]

He definitely is but you have to invoke Crystal Beam irl to summon him for his opinion

[solid cairn]

it's not that bad

3 sack isn't terrible

4+ sack is death

[untold vortex]

for TD3, even a 3 sack can be death tbh (or races)

[fickle summit]

I've gotten 6 sack and I didn't even think the game would let that happen

[solid cairn]

well speedrunners don't care about the time limit itself

there are only 5 chambes

[unkempt zephyr]

HYPED RACE

[hearty elbow]

I'm kind of surprised someone hasn't modded the game to make the Styx room spawn locked to 2. Or would that be frowned upon? I have no idea what the culture is like there

[solid cairn]

chambers*

someone has

[untold vortex]

there is a mod

[solid cairn]

yeah

[mighty ermine]

i think the hermes cup does that actually, ledger

[untold vortex]

it locks sack to 2 or 3

[fickle summit]

Oh 5 sack sorry I got confused

[solid cairn]

but that puts console players at a disadvantage

[fickle summit]

Mhm

[hearty elbow]

Console players are implicitly at a huge disadvantage

[untold vortex]

the mod isn't allowed for src

[solid cairn]

if you don't care about leaderboard placement go ahead

[hearty elbow]

Without a file system

[fickle summit]

Wdym?

[solid cairn]

well now runs are unseeded

[untold vortex]

there's 2 subcategories

[solid cairn]

tbh even if there is a seed I will probbaly still run unseeded

[untold vortex]

most run unseeded

[hearty elbow]

For instance, if I felt like it (and I have), I could make a library of temp saves for my favorite weapons at a heat threshold, with a targetted build, at every boss and mini boss. And play them at my leisure, over and over and over again to get better

[solid cairn]

there is currently not an optimal seed available

I don't go that far lol

[fickle summit]

Eh yea

[solid cairn]

I just play the game

[hearty elbow]

Not literally every boss and mini obv but definitely like, Asterius, EM3, EM4, FO2 Dad, EM2 White Lernie with melee etc.

[fickle summit]

I mean atleast this game doesn't have seed variations in the hour range.

[unkempt zephyr]

HYPEEEEEE come one guys choose you Horsemen!

[solid cairn]

I need to actually try ro beat 32 heat

[fickle summit]

I tried 53 and died in the third room after 2 minutes

I don't think that's exactly the thing for me, yea. You have fun tho, lol

[worldly trellis]

Thoughts on Beowulf? 120 hours and still 0 clears with Shield so I'm looking for a fun shield aspect