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#h1-builds-and-combat
outer jasper
unkempt pagoda
it doesn't do anything for hestia one way or another
willow fossil
Pretty much
unkempt pagoda
you still have to reload regardless
willow fossil
So no point taking it
slender solar
how does vicious skewer work?
the weapon upgrade for spear
with achilles retrieval
can I do either to get the crit chance ?
empty veldt
you get crit chance as you're flying to your spear
unkempt pagoda
rushing to your spear still counts as a retrieval
slender solar
oh but it doesn't grant me like
passive crit chance after?
that's how I thought it worked rip
empty veldt
no no
unkempt pagoda
your retrieval just has a 50% chance to crit
willow fossil
It doesnt grant % after
It just has a chance to crit in the return
Or your dash if you're achilles
orchid marlin
Just had a run with the 4th sword aspect with deflect on attack. That was super fun lol
unkempt zephyr
Just had a run with the 4th sword aspect with deflect on attack. That was super fun lol
@orchid marlin its super strong
belive me.
im almost do EM4 HL5 FO1 on 40 heat with this athena attack.
He save me alote of time.
spare flare
@rich glen @unkempt pagoda Yes, it extends dash-attacks.
spare flare
Also, everyone that keeps asking what Daedelus Hammers work with what aspects: You should check the wiki. The tables there are pretty handy.
unkempt zephyr
It’s brutal
@onyx parcel that reason for athena attack and 50% dodje chance on reflex.and aphro on special
onyx parcel
Oh that’s smart actually
unkempt zephyr
now you understand why i choose all of this)
onyx parcel
Wait can’t Athena deflect block melee damage?
unkempt zephyr
yup
onyx parcel
Like not just projectiles?
unkempt zephyr
yup
unkempt pagoda
if you time it right, yes
unkempt zephyr
That’s smart
@onyx parcel ty
i cleaning 32 with EM4 and FO1. be sure.its work well.
but for claws need alote of practice
onyx parcel
With Gilgamesh???
Sheesh it might actually be better than what I thought
Actually imma max out Gilgamesh cause I like the extra 300 damage from max level
unkempt zephyr
its much better than you thinking
let i explain
max lvl have 400 damage.
PS on mirror increase damage. if you combo athena attack with artemis(how i say befor) miam start do crits.
and damage can be 2000+
jade rover
I'm in the middle of a spear run with Both Merciful end and Veangfull mood. Last boon of the game, do I take curse of veangance or urge to kill, both rare?
onyx parcel
Sheesh
unkempt zephyr
and if you proc Reflex even more becaus 50% damage
unkempt zephyr
and if you find aphro +artemis duo.much more
onyx parcel
and if you find aphro +artemis duo.much more
@unkempt zephyr I’m not sure where to put Artemis tho if attack is Athena and special is aphro
Cast and call with Artemis just seems useless
jade rover
Athena @stiff jacinth
unkempt zephyr
artemis aid.
onyx parcel
Well not really useless if I’m trying to get their duos... hmm
stiff jacinth
@jade rover Even though I already have Athena on Cast and Dash?
jade rover
I mean, you could take other ones, but the slow of arthur just makes athena strike fun
unkempt zephyr
Sheesh
@onyx parcel Now you understand Why i choose al of that in build.
@unkempt zephyr do u play Gilgamesh with hard labor
@onyx parcel Hl3
onyx parcel
Hard labor 3 with Gilgamesh??
unkempt zephyr
yup
onyx parcel
Mate u are out of ur mind! Haha
unkempt zephyr
wana see what i almost do twice?
onyx parcel
Sure
unkempt zephyr
after i do it on artur. start do same on claws.
that how i check my builds all time.its Crazy how you say. i check builds in this stuff.
jade rover
I cannot for the life of me get the last Spear hammer for prophecy. Really annoying.
hearty elbow
Are you sure you can on whatever aspect you're on?
jade rover
Looking for Chain Skewer on aspect of Hades
I think you can't get it on either Achilles or 4th
hearty elbow
Nope just bad luck i guess lol
plain violet
https://imgur.com/a/BkFzgaQ hmmm torn between first or second
jade rover
Well, I guess I'm only 8 runs into the search
I'd really go with the duo murf
Water Call isn't spectacular, and adding 40 damage to all your dashes is not bad at all
unkempt zephyr
Jesus duunk0 in speed run find ME in middle shop in tartarus...and die in hades...
jade rover
oh, yeah, definitly seastorm
maybe hope for double strike too
damn but Zeus is so good
plain violet
I'll go for the seastorm then yeah, sounds cool
trying to beat game with every aspect so checking out new weapons
managed to somehow unlock all the weapon aspects
even though the shield one took forever to proc
jade rover
Is there a way to tell if you've cleared with a particular aspect besides checking record one run at a time?
plain violet
yeah in the admin hall
you can see how many times you've cleared with an aspect in one of the cabinets
so I just look for what ones aren't in the list
jade rover
eeey I got chain skewer, I can rest in peace
plain violet
man sea storm is super fun
pallid dagger
What exactly does Lucifer Aspect's Greater Inferno do?
jade rover
that's my very last prophocy
plain violet
why didn't I get this earlier lmao
pallid dagger
It says it "radiates" 250% damage and i don't get what that means
jade rover
I think that's the one that makes the balls pulse more damage in a bigger area?
your special puts out waves of damage while it sits there
plain violet
OHHHH NOOOO MY GAME CRASHED RIGHT AFTER BEATING HADES
FFFFFFFFFFSSSSS
sorry just a bit salty lol
hazy slate
heck
rare kayak
not just damage but the pulses do status
and i think thy stagger through armor but i could be wrong
jade rover
Gotcha, thanks
jade rover
https://imgur.com/a/k7TSdVb @plain violet you inspired me to try for a sea storm build, and it got a little out of hand. Really wish I had take serrated
hazy slate
does dionysus work with chiron special?
jade rover
yeah, pretty well
jaunty blaze
what kinda build is crush shot good with?
unkempt pagoda
pos sword
jaunty blaze
they don't stick very well tho...
plain violet
what companion do you guys prefer? I think I like the bat one 
jade rover
I like bouldy @plain violet
unkempt zephyr
@unkempt pagoda i was so Hyped about Abyssal Blood 50%....jesus...
and its was just a bug....
drifting vale
Antos is my favorite
placid topaz
antos?
drifting vale
It's a companion
drifting vale
I mean antos literally cant miss
bleak iron
so I just got the hidden aspects for the sword, spear, shield, and bow. any you guys would recommend over the others for maxing first that make it really fun?
jade rover
I'm beginning to suspect that ||Gilgamesh ||is just. The best. I haven't got a lot of runs with the weapon, but as I get better (I'm so ~humble~), the damage output it has starts to mean I have less time to make mistakes, and the|| free dashes ||are just... Insane.
But I think all four have their place, easily.
bleak iron
Rama seems really fun
but I almost made it out with Guan Yu lvl 1 last time, and kinda want to get some in there so I can beat Hades with it
jade rover
Oh, yeah, you can get some BIG numbers (2400 in one shot, anyone?) with Rama.
Guan yu is maybe a little stale comparatively. not all that many ways to build it, imo.
dry ember
jade rover
I got that with Arty strike and a 42% butterfly, and triple strike chaos. But Fox's idea sounds... Addicting
worldly trellis
don't mind me just gonna go ahead and make you all wet real quick
can not believe my luck this run
placid topaz
wow nice!
empty veldt
@worldly trellis get smoldering air and i’ll be real moist
unique vigil
does your streak get broken if you give up?
worldly trellis
That was honestly way closer than it should've been
I had forced overtime on and wasn't ready for Elysium or Styx
Still got the W tho
jade rover
I was worried for you with the EM4 HS
worldly trellis
I managed to get to him with 3 DDs and he ate through 2 of them
(well, 2 DDs and Tooth)
end screen if youre interested
blissful grail
has anyone beat the game withe max heat?
blissful grail
those guys are real gamers
jade rover
We all gamers
blissful grail
thats also true
worldly trellis
we gamin
jade rover
Can anyone guess what my favorite weapon is 
worldly trellis
im gonna guess zag bow
jade rover
Incredible.
half crater
has anyone beat the game withe max heat?
@blissful grail nope
63 is a big number lol
precisely one person did manage it pre 1.0 (when max was 57), using a lot of rng manipulation
still an impressive feat tho
severe stratus
does zeus's duo boon w/ poseidon work with curse of drowning?
barren otter
good question, I think it should work.
unkempt zephyr
does zeus's duo boon w/ poseidon work with curse of drowning?
@severe stratus NO.this sad me alote
does zeus's duo boon w/ poseidon work with curse of drowning?
@severe stratus With this duo nothing work. only global buffs and poms.Even poseidon debuff dont work.
novel maple
Can anyone recommed a good rail build to beat the game with 0 heat?
dry quiver
I don’t see how it wouldn’t work. Curse of drowning is the poseidon/ares duo making the cast pulse around user. Does it lose knock back somehow in the process? If yes then yeah it wouldn’t work. But if it still has knock back it should still trigger poseidon/zeus duo.
turbid needle
Yo is there any way to stop EM4 Hades from healing himself in the third phase?
unkempt zephyr
@dry quiver read little up. @turbid needle just damage and try all time breake Urns.
unkempt zephyr
you were inattentive during the fight.yes. hades absorb urns and take healing.
turbid needle
also damn I couldn't out-damage him
I wasn't inattentive
the urns were off screen
any advice for sword builds?
unkempt zephyr
what sword?
turbid needle
default
unkempt zephyr
default
@turbid needle best adwise.Forgot about Zag spear.zag sword.zag shield.
worldly trellis
I have a common deadly strike and a divine dash. Picked up rare crop.
It went to my dash. 
unkempt zephyr
default
@turbid needle Even nemesis lvl 1 better that zag sword 5 lvl
worldly trellis
I mean yea nemesis is better
but zag sword is still fun
and certainly still viable
Im using it rn actually
dense valley
@novel maple zeus chain lightning on attack
unkempt zephyr
its fun but weakest aspect in game.even zag spear better.
turbid needle
also, don't have the bloods to get it to level 5
dense valley
The more zeus after that the better
turbid needle
also the crit bonus from nemesis only grants the crit bonus for 3 seconds
also the crit bonus from nemesis only grants the crit bonus for 3 seconds
worldly trellis
Doesn't matter, Nemesis is favored by speedrunners for a reason
its nutty
that said literally every aspect in the game is viable so play whatever you have the most fun with
if you wanna powergame tho, yea, zag sword isn't the greatest
unkempt zephyr
Can anyone recommed a good rail build to beat the game with 0 heat?
@novel maple Try find 3 times special in hammer. and rocket. and take some thing with big numbers in boons (Not ares,zeus,dionis on special.) on attack take zeus. and if you carefull you beat game.
also the crit bonus from nemesis only grants the crit bonus for 3 seconds
@turbid needle just use it every 3 seconds. for free crit.
worldly trellis
It also encourages me to use my special which is cool
turbid needle
I have it at level 4
unkempt zephyr
you see shine on head. its buff. when dont see this use special.
turbid needle
Gonna get it to level 5 when I get 5 bloods again
worldly trellis
Aphro special + Arti attack on Nemesis, wooo boi
especially if you get their duo
turbid needle
I never noticed Weak giving any real difference
unkempt zephyr
this build for easy beat game for new player on nemesis. you need demeter attack. special aphro or artemis. and artemis call.
passives you see in picture.in core.
worldly trellis
- Aphro boons have the highest % dmg in the game
- Weak is nice to have for survivability
- Sweet Surrender makes Weak amplify your damage
- Aphro/Arti Duo makes your crits deal more dmg to Weak foes
turbid needle
I guess as a roguelike, I never try to fix my roles
unkempt zephyr
i recomend demeter attack becaus its not so weaker with comparing with apro.but give Huge slow to bosses.for new players it best to handle.
opaque whale
Hey how good is doom on fast attacking weapons? Becasue i feel like i waste a lot of potential when attacking a target repeatedly that already has the effect...
untold vortex
don't even need demeter for an effective nemisis build tbh
turbid needle
because in general, if I were to fix it, then it wouldn't be very roguelike would it? :c
at the same time
it's good to know that Aphro grants high strength bonuses
since I never really got any use out of her
untold vortex
aphro attack, arti special, arti dash, heart rend and you're set
turbid needle
also charm doesn't work on bosses does it?
turbid needle
btw
about EM4 Hades: ||in the third phase, is the entire screen supposed to go that dark?||
unkempt zephyr
jesus god.you realy think new player can effectivly use dash strike build?to instant 2 dash strike+special and rotait this perfectly to build be effective?
ornate remnant
i can never get flame wheels release
dry quiver
Boss charm for much much less duration. But can serve as an interrupt like during ||Hades death beams||
unkempt zephyr
new players good if replace 50% of base attack with dash strikes.
and apro artemis +artemis dash about only dash strikes and good moving.
about EM4 Hades: ||in the third phase, is the entire screen supposed to go that dark?||
@turbid needle ||yep. and he use invisible like in 1 phase.||
untold vortex
I'd personally not like to recommend a new player build that requires demeter as that hard requires reaching the surface once
unkempt zephyr
if player ask how kill hades => mean he saw HADES and figth with him. than mean he have demeter in god pool.
ornate remnant
i got aphro cast on poseodin cast aspect
is there any thing i can build with this
seems like the worst one i think?
untold vortex
the duo that makes casts be able to backstab might be good (I don't remember what it's called)
unkempt zephyr
Its not worst. just complicated to use aphro cast well. but choose another varian of cast.
ornate remnant
i gotta pray i roll another one lol
unkempt zephyr
Zeus cast.poseidon cast.Athena cast. for good boss damage be good if you find Exit Wounds(artemis boon).
ornate remnant
yeah i got exit woudns
unkempt zephyr
Your foes take damage when your Cast Ammo stuck in them is dislodged.and your special dislodged instantly.
void fjord
true shot is a good one for Poseidon aspect
since it homes on an enemy
and also lets you immeditly build towards the legendary
dry quiver
Zeus
lethal chasm
just got rejected by artemis 3x for atk boon w rerolls lmao
really?
eh i suppose
i dont rly understand poseidon aspect, achilles should do enough dmg to dislodge them naturally if u kno wut i mean
_>
aswell as eris
falls in a weird spot balance wise imo
unkempt zephyr
every good player can san Artemis cast weak.if you dont have alote of artemis and most important MARK. becaus if you dont hit mark,damage lowest in game.also single target. even aphro cast aoe.
lethal chasm
oh2 nded zeus for cast or poseidon
poseidon can go to cool demeter stuff and is overall solid
unkempt zephyr
poiseidon sword play : throw casts. come to enemy use special,take casts back. Repeat untill all die.
lethal chasm
i dont even have it unlocked bc i see eris/achilles as better versions but ay
_>
and nemesis and arthur are dope af
ornate remnant
it feels like picking a god trinket for the second biome is such a waste lol
i always get one boon from them and then never see them the rest of the run
lethal chasm
lmao tru
sometimes gotta try to force the rng tho~ going pom run rn aphro attack arthur so chunk
unkempt zephyr
Becaus you dont combo what game offer to you.and what combo can be. if you choose on first boon. for examle its dionis. and you take cast. with REALY HIGH chance next gods be zeus and demeter. becaus Dio cast have duo with them. and if you in 2 zone choose athena after that. with 90% you dont see she to end. becaus you already have Dio game offer you Demeter and zeus. and also offering artemis ,aphro and ares for dio hangover duos.
ornate remnant
well i took aphro cast and only saw athena once after equiping the trinket lol
that's not necessarily true either i've picked up ares cast and had artemis only show up once for a while run twice too
unkempt zephyr
becaus you have cast weapon. and apro and athena have duo for cast.
unkempt zephyr
dont be so fun.in test server chiron already have -33% damage. probably its be on live. becaus near 70% of victorys at all its Chiron.
worldly trellis
haha special go brrrrrrrr
dark quail
So after 20 heat, you don't get ambrosia and titan hearts anymore?
hearty elbow
You can always trade for them from the Wretched Broker, and obtain them from prophecies
dark quail
Oh yeah, i know, just wanted to make sure
I also have other 5 weapons which i could bring to 20
How would you rank legendary weapons?
latent elk
- Bow
- Fists
- Sword
- Gun
- Spear
- Shield
personally, I'd only use the bow and fists
not a fan of the other 4
especially the last 3
lethal chasm
id say bow=shield>sword=fists(maybe fists above)>gun>spear
fists are good but hard to not dash atk
limber flax
what are legendary weapons? the 4th aspect?
lethal chasm
y
limber flax
k
unkempt zephyr
Arture ,claws =demeter fist,zeus shield,nemesis,other weaker.
void fjord
GY spear is really good
just have to get good at dodging
so that you dont take too much dmg
void fjord
also LC4 is practically nil on GY
unkempt zephyr
whe you take HL or FO aspect of GY start strugling
void fjord
one hp a hit is pretty good since it hits multiple times
unkempt zephyr
in HL5 hades hit 160
void fjord
bruh on my old save i have done HL5 LC4 and FO1
unkempt zephyr
i dont think you can reach 160 hp total in GY in heat 32 or more.
void fjord
its not bad
its hard definitly
but chaos boons give a good chunk of health
and aphro's boon of giving more max health from room rewards is also really good
limber flax
are heat rewards random
void fjord
meaning?
limber flax
or if i want to get especially titan blood, can i go for specific heat modifiers
void fjord
its set to each heat level
limber flax
okay
void fjord
if you want to get more of one resource you need to beat the previous heat level completely
or you can get the same resources through trading with the wretched broker
unkempt zephyr
I still thinking with GY weak for high heat.not becaus aspect weak.becaus HP pool so low. 2 hits from dad -life.step on urn -life.||take meteorite from cerberus - life.||
void fjord
well thats where the luck of dodge from ruthless reflex comes into play
and thats the final boss
unkempt zephyr
i know.i use only ruthless reflex.
void fjord
also spoiler tag the final boss thing
GY is good to get rid of urns
ur attack or special can do it easily
also if you get hit once, just throw an attack at him
unkempt zephyr
probably. but i do not belive in FO1 with EM4.i need watch this. with out EM4. yup. its easy just save spin to win or special spam.
lofty folio
hi quick question, does the sturdy effect stack? for example does it become 60% if i have two boons that grants me sturdy?
proven osprey
any build for Stygian 4th ? I tried Posei/Zeus and it was so powerful
unkempt zephyr
stygian?Artur?
proven osprey
yeah I did not want to spoil haha
arte should be funny tho
the moveset is hitting hard
unkempt zephyr
For low heat you can go artemis atack+aphro. for high hit take athena attack + artemis special.
untold vortex
either arti or aphro attack
proven osprey
yeah, nothing too fancy then
unkempt zephyr
athena fancy) play in baseball into special)
glass rapids
you can get more than 2 hammers in a single run (w/o anvil) right?
unkempt zephyr
nope.
Only 2.in older game version how i remeber was 3. but after create anvil.becaus 1 hammer already Huge deal. 2 can do insane.what about 3? its was too much.
turbid needle
how do u acquire legendary weapons here
fierce thicket
check pins on the spoiler channel
unkempt zephyr
nope.
unkempt zephyr
nope
unkempt zephyr
Good. invulnerability included
untold vortex
by goal I mean, am I farming resources or not
unkempt zephyr
i dont know english name. one give % for money another give Rare. Money all time good. Rare give better ability and passives.also increasing chance to take legendaty and Duo.
untold vortex
weapon?
limber flax
demeter fist
untold vortex
3rd option
unkempt zephyr
i dont think so
untold vortex
if the hammer for +900% dash strikes to armour comes up I would take that
it's arguably the best fists hammer
unkempt zephyr
i dont realy think its best for you.Dash strike takened only if you can do Dash uppers well.
to use stucks of demeter fists.
untold vortex
dash strike boons affect dash upper
unkempt zephyr
and take benefit from it
limber flax
i took long knuckle
untold vortex
long knuckle is also good
unkempt zephyr
yup
untold vortex
dash strike boons
limber flax
oh
unkempt zephyr
and artemis dash to
limber flax
i see
untold vortex
dash strike hammers do not
limber flax
if i dash strike i lose one hit of the special right?
unkempt zephyr
but need use its good to take benefit
dash upper and dash strike different buttons
Dash strike =dash +attack. dash upper =dash + special.
untold vortex
dash strike boons affect dash uppers
limber flax
so
untold vortex
dash strike hammers do not
untold vortex
it will buff the dash special
unkempt zephyr
BUT only if you use dash upper.
unkempt zephyr
We can not guide you with back siting. what a you want from build? what Duo you wana reach?
marsh pumice
Are we playing the game or you... lul
limber flax
🤔
limber flax
i pick that boon with 2% crit chance
and then all the offers me is boons that enhance my crits
ffs
limber pine
uh, you can pom up PP
small stirrup
You're saying Pressure points is bad because of the extremely low crit rate?
I think it's fair for what it gives
All damage has a chance to crit
limber flax
the skills is okay i guess but i dont like how she offeres me only crit enhance after thatr
limber flax
it feels like artemis is only good when you tryhard for artemis build
small stirrup
They give boons which enhance their own
limber flax
more than other gods
small stirrup
not particularly true
marsh pumice
Not true at all
limber flax
ye idk thats what it feels like to me
unkempt zephyr
PP amazing boon. 5% crit chance with base crit damage add 15% to total damage. with bonus 50% crit damage its be 17.5 to total damage.
and its can be maxed to 15%
small stirrup
Well that is your opinion, so even if I disagree with it. I can respect it
limber flax
just my impression
unkempt zephyr
can even people ignore +15 or 17.5% boost? i cant
unkempt zephyr
maths
small stirrup
The only one I get is the 5% crit chance from Pressure Points
Where did the bonus 15% and 50% come from
limber flax
can i view the fated list during a run?
small stirrup
Sadly no
unkempt zephyr
PP with Mark lvl 5 can give you opportunity to kill all enemy with 100% crit chance.
how about that?
small stirrup
But I assume you want to see which boon you need to get right?
limber flax
thats really annoying
small stirrup
PP with Mark lvl 5 cant give you opportunity to kill all enemy with 100% crit chance
"Can't"?
unkempt zephyr
even if your ability do not have crit chance at all. PP + mark(if you start damage in mark) give you way deal only crits.
unkempt zephyr
but appear in another enemy.
small stirrup
Hmm I see where you're going with this
unkempt zephyr
becaus you crit. and mark appears after crits.
small stirrup
Agreed that is pretty good
unkempt zephyr
and you know what better?
small stirrup
Stack it with Clean Kill for more damage?
unkempt zephyr
to throw cast in mark on 2k
unkempt zephyr
mark work on cast too
void fjord
Mark works on anything
void fjord
Even hangover dmg if I'm not wrong
small stirrup
That's Pressure Points
barren otter
small stirrup
Mark just makes anything that can crit more frequent
void fjord
Are u sure
small stirrup
Yes
unkempt zephyr
now you see how powerfull can be just PP +mark. its can be insane.
small stirrup
But I assume you took Epic rarities for both?
unkempt zephyr
Mark need rarity.alote. but PP can be blue or epic.
and if you dont crit mark still be on enemy.
Even hangover dmg if I'm not wrong
@void fjord Hangover another theme. hangover insane with mark and multy poisoning. becaus all attack becoming crit chance + crit chance from mark= real crit chance. If more that 1 target have hangover.
limber flax
this game really becomes so much easier when equipping keepsakes to get certain boons
such a difference
small stirrup
I agree
solid cairn
How good is God’s legacy compared to god’s pride on higher heat
small stirrup
Pride is much better imo
solid cairn
Ok immediately 2 different answers
half crater
a moral dilemma
small stirrup
Lmao maybe?
solid cairn
Good start
small stirrup
Allow me to explain my point of view XD
marsh pumice
everyone have different opinion 
spare flare
God's Pride is for Epic, not Rare.
soft pine
hey, don't try to confuse me with facts mate. XD
small stirrup
I think that getting legendries and Duos are really simple since all you have to do is build towards them. The added chance from Legacy is definitely great but seems redundant since you still require to build for them. Simply re-rolling the boons has a similar effect of getting legendries and duos. But I'm probably just lucky in getting what I need for most of my runs
Epic boons are an absolute lifesaver for me
half crater
i mean, i do hate white boons
glass rapids
I switched to pride recently and the difference in number of epics I get is very noticeable whereas for duos/legendary not so much
spare flare
To my understanding, Legacy is great for picking up and enjoying legendary and duo boons, fulfilling the prophecies, but Pride is a more consistent power engine.
half crater
but like
solid cairn
And speedruns
half crater
i'd rather have common lightning strike/double strike and splitting bolt, than just epic lightning strike/double strike
solid cairn
When I have god’s legacy I end up getting the duos and legendaries I want a lot of the time
With pride it takes a really long time or it doesn’t happen at all
I suppose it depends on the weapon
small stirrup
Like I said, I'm probably just really lucky in getting what I want/need
soft pine
getting that ice wine in asphodel is the real legacy
solid cairn
Something like Chiron which doesn’t really need duos may want god’s pride
small stirrup
cause I have gotten ME in Tartarus without Legacy
solid cairn
Or Arthur
small stirrup
(Merciful End)
glass rapids
The +10% is barely anything from my experience
soft pine
Volty is probably just lucky
small stirrup
Agreed
solid cairn
It is everything in my experience
half crater
i would prolly never try for an ME build without legacy
since you gotta mess around with prereqs now
plus that duo specifically seems to have cursed me to never see it
solid cairn
Again depends on weapon
small stirrup
Before deflect dash used to count but sadly no more 😔
solid cairn
For something that primarily uses Artemis I don’t think rarity affects crit chance
soft pine
well not with that attitude'
small stirrup
It does
half crater
yeah but you basically always want divine dash as well
so its an extra boon to fish for
small stirrup
an extra one boon my dude
half crater
idk i think i've just been scarred by a string of very unlucky ME attempts
small stirrup
You know what, that's fair
dark quail
What is the most broken arthur build possible, i'm doing great with just aphrodite on attack but i'd like to just steamroll everything
solid cairn
that works fine
half crater
make it go crit
solid cairn
aphro is more damage than crit at a base level
artemis only surpasses it with stuff that boosts crit
dark quail
Yeah i got 20 heat and i usually don't lose a death defiance but i would like to make a broken build if it's possible
solid cairn
how are you gonna reliably apply weak
small stirrup
@dark quail backstab from chaos will suffice
half crater
i mean, idk which works out better, i just want my 7k swing
small stirrup
@solid cairn You can apply weak via dash
solid cairn
but muh athena i frames
small stirrup
Git gud 
limber flax
whats your favorite weapon
half crater
bouldy
marsh pumice
Bow... but it's getting nerfed 
limber flax
whats bouldy
half crater
more seriously, its prolly beowulf
small stirrup
Bouldy is 
limber flax
bow is getting nerfed?
half crater
ngl i love me some fists
limber flax
havent tried all aspects but demeter is nice
half crater
talos is glorious
small stirrup
I just love finding niche boon combos with weapons no matter how unorthodox it is
limber flax
wall bang wall bang
half crater
that's easy
half crater
just actually do a cast build
limber flax
cast build aka dionydis cast?
half crater
if you want
and poseidon on attack
technically poseidon exists in the build
success
limber flax
i pick dioonydis cast in like 60 % of my runs
half crater
limber flax
lol
half crater
oh yeah fair
limber flax
maybe i should switch it up more
half crater
it is gud cast
limber flax
ah
half crater
zag its trash
red mist
chaos shield is the toss 5 shields on-hit build
half crater
also; i'd prolly go money
limber flax
i thought atk for a sec idk
red mist
yeah money seems correct
half crater
the +% on special doesn't apply to lightning iirc, so it won't do that much
half crater
with money, you have the ability to get more boons
more boons means more potential zeus boons
and nothing will increase dps on a zeus build like more zeus boons
limber flax
question is on what floor you are
red mist
6
half crater
more reason to go money
unkempt zephyr
can chaos shield be good without zeus?
@limber flax it can be just poseidon.
or dio with peer and some Duos.
limber flax
peer?
fair plinth
oof
chamber 19, potential run-ending hidden boss or elite dio next room
if i go hidden boss, does it take me to the elite dio right after?
or does it replace the next room
half crater
i believe its replaced
fair plinth
aight, no card then
unkempt zephyr
peer?
@limber flax yup peer
First time dio?
Peer Pressure and Bad Influence main boons for AoE dio damage.
spread and Huge damage boost after spread.
fair plinth
does pom porridge stack on one boon multiple times?
5 boons on me that are all useful, figured I would pick pom porridge for once
half crater
no it doesn't, sadly
if you have less than four boons it will just choose upgrade what you have once each iirc
copper ingot
ok wow Poseidon's attack boon on fists is really bad
tawdry eagle
is there even good builds for poseidon
safe dome
I just finished a run with it 
fair plinth
is there even good builds for poseidon
@tawdry eagle hell yes
safe dome
With a bit of support it's actually rather strong
fair plinth
he just has a long boon buildup
safe dome
If you get the duo with zeus things melt rather fast
fair plinth
once you get the higher tier boons, you can literally clear rooms with 1 cast
safe dome
What I got was : Poseidon attack > Zeus flourish > Artemis crit on everything > Artemis support fire > Duo Boon Poseidon Zeus and stuff would just melt away
( Hammers were range and 3 strike )
limber flax
What weapon
safe dome
Fists
limber flax
Ah
safe dome
Poseidon is fine on pretty much everything imo, except maybe Zeus aspect, and it's kinda clunky on rail without proper support
unkempt zephyr
What I got was : Poseidon attack > Zeus flourish > Artemis crit on everything > Artemis support fire > Duo Boon Poseidon Zeus and stuff would just melt away
( Hammers were range and 3 strike )
@safe dome nahhhh if you use poseidon on shield attack. you can take ONE boon and add +200 to your attack.
Breaking Wave or Typhoon's Fury
safe dome
ngl I'm not fond of the shield, except Zeus aspect so I rarely use it, much less with poseidon
I'll try it out later actually
fierce thicket
I like poseidon as a concept but it feels bad when your build is gimped vs bosses
unkempt zephyr
also poseidon with out slam=> bad poseidon. and VS boss he have special boon
safe dome
He's got the boss bonus damage boost for that
red mist
I am now on good ol' artemis chiron bow
I have been offered hard zeus, hard ares, and chaos
fierce thicket
That's lazy though and you still don't proc wall splat boons
unkempt zephyr
how guys you play on purple reroll?
forest locust
Whats the merciful end build for Demeter?
unkempt zephyr
Ares atack=>athena special=>ME=>dash athena.
unkempt zephyr
@forest locust you catch build?
half crater
try to grab impending doom as well, if at all possible
and extra dashes from hermes
not required, but great if you get the chance
forest locust
Thanks 😄
limber flax
is there a good guide to heat rewards ?
sacred wing
Ares atack=>athena special=>ME=>dash athena.
@unkempt zephyr what weapon/aspect is this for? Forgive me if it’s a stupid question, I’m new to the game.
unkempt zephyr
Demeter fists
sacred wing
Thanks @unkempt zephyr
unkempt zephyr
Np)
sage scroll
is the +x amounts of extra attacks after a 12 hit combo any good?
limber flax
yes
unkempt zephyr
is the +x amounts of extra attacks after a 12 hit combo any good?
@sage scroll i cant understand what you talking about
limber flax
hes talking about demeter
sage scroll
for the fists
limber flax
i assume
unkempt zephyr
12 hits give one hard demeter special?
sage scroll
yeah, it's one of the aspects, +1 extra special hit per upgrade
teal tinsel
is zeus good for bow?
smoky atlas
maybe hera
static jacinth
Zeus isn't good for any bow really.
teal tinsel
what is good with bow then?
static jacinth
Depends on the aspect you're using.
teal tinsel
mostly chiron or rama
static jacinth
Pretttty much most other gods can be good with those.
teal tinsel
ok
half crater
zeus special on rama is pretty solid tho
marsh pumice
with double strike 
hearty elbow
well i saw a video of gods ranking and poseidon was last
@limber flax To be fair, it varies with heat and aspects. At high heat, Demeter is very far dead last, and Poseidon gets a huge + from having Poseidon's Aid and Rip Current.
sage scroll
is the shattered shackle any good? it doesn't look like it to me, since a lot of boons make an attack more powerful than the damage the shackle adds
static jacinth
Zeus special on Rama doesn't work.
smoky atlas
need to see the criteria for ranking gods
static jacinth
There's an internal cooldown on Zeus special.
half crater
poseidon has huge catch
static jacinth
Shattered shackle is quite good for the first zone. You don't have to keep it.
unkempt pagoda
well it does work though
half crater
op god pls nerf
smoky atlas
poseidon and dio have some of the best duos in the game, and synergize with themselves very well
unkempt pagoda
rama special is fast, but not fast enough to hit the .2 sec mark
especially if it bounces
sage scroll
I rather use hermes's, ty
half crater
yeah thunder flourish on rama doesn't seem to hit the ICD in my experience
static jacinth
Fair enough I guess.
hearty elbow
Thunder Flourish only hits once per Rama special
odd quarry
A bit late but Dash; Shattered Shackle is surprisingly good in Tartarus as your first keepsake, if only to help offset the lack of boons.
half crater
Thunder Flourish only hits once per Rama special
@hearty elbow ok been a while since i ran it but are you sure
hearty elbow
Yes
static jacinth
I shouldn't have doubted myself 😄
half crater
pretty sure my reaction would have been less "this is decent" and more "why did i inflict this on myself" if that were true
okay imma test real quick rn
hearty elbow
You can get "multiple hits" from ricochets if they're far enough away
sage scroll
It seems like the pierced butterfly and the hermes keepsake are better, but I'll try out the shackle for a few runs
static jacinth
You don't need to keep a keepsake for the whole run.
sage scroll
I know that
static jacinth
Shackle is supposed to help you in the first zone before you get boons mostly.
sage scroll
But in the first floor it's easy to stack up pierced and hermes for the rest of the run, and I'd rather do that
static jacinth
Unless you're doing a meme boonless run.
hearty elbow
Shackle is kinda nifty with AP2. Otherwise I don't see the point, Persuasion + god boon would amount to more damage every time anyway
static jacinth
You know that Butterfly and Plume don't work once you take them off, right?
sage scroll
I didnt
half crater
omg you're right
smoky atlas
is boonless even possible
sage scroll
damn
half crater
how did i not notice this
static jacinth
Yeah, they don't work once they're off.
half crater
must have been the bounces confusing me?
static jacinth
Shackle is good for super high heat mostly. Since Tartarus is so hard.
sage scroll
well that's a shame
static jacinth
If you're trying to do streaks.
You keep all the gold from Hypnos's purse, if that makes you feel better.
Or upgrades from the Pom Blossom.
half crater
well, giving up is for cowards so i guess i'm doing a 40 attempt with a thunder flourish start now
see ya'll when i die
hearty elbow
is boonless even possible
@smoky atlas Our most knowledgeable router has opted out of this community (for fairly valid reasons I'll grant him), but we're not certain. The question I posed to him was "what happens if you have Underworld Customs with no boons"
And he wasn't sure.
sage scroll
how would you even not grab boons, couldn't you get locked into absolutely having to grab one at some point?
smoky atlas
i mean at some point the game will present to you a single gate with boon right
static jacinth
You can reroll those rooms till you get a different upgrade.
smoky atlas
ah true
hearty elbow
You can always route for another gold laurel room
static jacinth
Assuming you max out fated Authority and get a bit lucky, I can't see why it wouldn't be possible.
Even without any routing.
hearty elbow
Even with Authority you'd have to get crazy lucky to do it
static jacinth
I don't think it's that absurd. You usually have the option.
hearty elbow
I remember someone in this channel trying for what felt like weeks to get a boonless run without success
static jacinth
And assuming you don't need a 'pure' boonless run, you can purge ones you're forced into between zones.
So the only stumbling block would be Styxx.
stuck bobcat
which cast for beowulf
Dionysus seems to doesn't work as well like with Hera bow - mainly becouse of that instant shards retrurn which doesnt work with Dionysus cloud
stuck bobcat
fff, i've had my best result with Ares :d
unkempt zephyr
BTW last speedrun wriste13 was with stygyan soul on Beo
Its was Dio cast with Stygian soul
static jacinth
I'm going to assume without looking that he used Charged Flight.
And mostly ignored his cast.
Am I right? :3
cunning urchin
You're underestimating Dragon Rush damage by a lot.
cunning urchin
Speedrun builds on Beowulf are all cast builds.
static jacinth
Really? With Stygian soul too? Huh.
cunning urchin
Passion Flare or Trippy Flare.
Stygian Soul for Trippy Flare.
Infernal Soul for Passion Flare.
unkempt zephyr
its was Fog with stygian soul)
cunning urchin
Yeah, that's Trippy Flare.
unkempt zephyr
and after he finding Chaos +1 cast damage becoming insane.
stuck bobcat
isn't trippy shot always like that?
i mean without flare beowolf
it doesn't affect it's damage like for the rest of the casts
runic grove
I got this Dark Thrist buff on my arrow but its permanent not for each run but I don't know how did I get it can some body enlighten me?
hearty elbow
It's randomly given to one weapon in the courtyard before each run
runic grove
ok I understand
hearty elbow
The most common play loop when you need Darkness/Gemstones is to play the Dark Thirst weapon (it has purply effects around it)
lone lava
It's 'random' except it keeps picking the god damn shield and now my shield is twice the heat of everything else
And I never get to play bow apparently
potent ember
f
hearty elbow
Lol, that's how "true" randomness be sometimes 😛
lone lava
Yep haha
Random doesnt mean equal distribution
Unless you hit some real big boy numbers I guess
hearty elbow
Apple spent millions of dollars to fix their shuffle to not be random, but "feel" random lmao. People were complaining that they should get multiple songs from the same artist or album or genre from back to back songs in a "real" random system
limber flax
millions?
hearty elbow
Development is a typically expensive loop, stuff costs a lot
limber flax
spotify just had to change one thing in the code
hearty elbow
Most changes of any calibre for a company of that size costs millions
cunning urchin
What does this have to do with Hades. Somebody ban these people. 
limber flax
hearty elbow
Explaining the problem with stuff "feeling random" It's not free
red mist
eyyyy I beat 32 heat
hazy slate
Nice
unkempt zephyr
What it was?
limber flax
is 32 heat every heat condition maxed?
unkempt zephyr
jesus no. its half
limber flax
why does everyone do 32 heat?
unkempt zephyr
Not all.
errant narwhal
its the last number that has an in-game reward for it
limber flax
i see
hazy slate
i dont think anyones beaten max heat yet
unkempt zephyr
its painfull. and need time handle all punishments. and choose what pain you wana
errant narwhal
heat was reworked. before the rework, the cap was 200, i believe
limber flax
oh
cunning urchin
That's from way back in early access.
cunning urchin
Because nobody's done it lol.
limber flax
weak community ngl
hearty elbow
Basically
soft pine
SG needs to rework the heat in my apartment
hazy slate
max heat is just, crazy honestly
unkempt zephyr
weak community ngl
@limber flax try 25 with your self once. after grow to 40.and try
hearty elbow
Lol he's joking
limber flax
im not lol
like
there are ds ppl who do whe whole series hitless
i expected like speedrunners to do max heat
you know
errant narwhal
the highest anyone has done is 57 (routed) when it was the max
hearty elbow
This game hasn't even been out for the amount of hours they've played the game to accomplish that
unkempt zephyr
Did you play Diablo 3?
limber flax
no
hearty elbow
Also, in Soulsborne, with very little exception, there are no DPS checks, no variance in what you can get, and little boss variance
unkempt zephyr
@limber flax ?
hearty elbow
Tight Deadline 3
limber flax
ah
red mist
63 heat is preeetty much impossible
limber flax
🤔
hearty elbow
TD3 is the biggest stopgap to 64 heat at the moment. Even with a hitless run I'm not entirely certain anything can clear the game that quickly, even perfectly routed and TAS
unkempt zephyr
Its note DPS check for sure. its more about how you learn your weapon and enemy
shadow copper
im so sad i lost this build
limber flax
whats the time on TD3?
hazy slate
what happened?
limber flax
per act
hazy slate
youre at 1 health
red mist
yeah I think there is nothing in the game that can do enough damage to 60 heat mobs on a 5 min/region timer
shadow copper
i know i died lol
hearty elbow
5 minutes each, 20 total
unkempt zephyr
you start die -5 hp sec
plain violet
what weapon is easiest at 32 heat you think?
limber flax
hmm
cunning urchin
Hard enough doing FO2 JS3 CP2 DC2 TD3 at all. Forget about doing it hitless or anything of the sort lol.
plain violet
yeah just kite forever true
red mist
comparatively, sword is hard for me even on low heat
plain violet
not sure what heat to throw on for the 32 either
limber flax
i mean hitless cant be too hard after a while
unkempt zephyr
yea TD3 is a problem i guess
@limber flax Not this problem. problem its alote punishment coctail.
limber flax
some speedrunners should have no problem with hitless
plain violet
I know facing a fast hades who has 3 phases sounds brutal
red mist
it's not hard to pick an easy 32 heat for your loadout
hearty elbow
Yeah I'm not arguing about the hitless thing, people will eventually get there. IT's really just hitting stuff often and hard enough to hit the timers
red mist
I personally have all of the gimmick mechanics turned on for practice purposes
blissful kettle
i'm trying to figure out malphon right now, i maxed out the second aspect and it's working fine but which is the best aspect to invest in?
unkempt zephyr
I know facing a fast hades who has 3 phases sounds brutal
@plain violet problem when he swing you on 160....
red mist
talos is a pretty good one already, stick with it
cunning urchin
@blissful kettle Demeter Aspect.
red mist
well I suppose all of them are good
plain violet
I got my fastest clear with demeter aspect, 21 minutes
hearty elbow
And dealing with variance like room spawns, Popper, Cloner, Bruiser
hazy slate
demeter aspect needs more blood to get rolling
plain violet
but still prefer the other aspects of it
cunning urchin
I like Talos a lot, but Demeter Aspect is just better.
toxic sage
Whioch boons for the Demeter aspect? Zeus?
unkempt zephyr
Becoming HOT here) Discussion)
blissful kettle
Okiee
red mist
hmm, debating whether to continue practicing my heat runs or to start grinding blood again
plain violet
I did zeus for the fists
cunning urchin
@toxic sage Divine Strike, Curse of Agony, or Lightning Strike.
hazy slate
zeus or artemis on attack for any fists
blissful kettle
i've been using ares for talos
limber flax
or ares
cunning urchin
And in any case, Deflect on either Attack or Dash.
hazy slate
or go for the merciful end build
cunning urchin
Deadly Strike on Malphon sucks.
blissful kettle
what's the merciful end build?
red mist
just get to merciful end I suppose
cunning urchin
Curse of Agony + Divine Flourish + Divine Dash and get Merciful End.
toxic sage
I really enjoy poseidon sword build lately dunno how good is it compared to the others
errant narwhal
lol, i did 20 heat with deadly strike on malphon
red mist
apply doom, dash into them, rinse and repeat