what gods do i wanna go for
#h1-builds-and-combat
cunning urchin
Honestly, pretty much the same as base spear.
stiff flume
aaaaand what do you use for base spear? i havent used this thing much, its the last weapon i have to get to 20 heat now
limber flax
oh cool thx
cunning urchin
Serrated Point or Explosive Skewer depending on what you get first, pretty much. @mighty ermine could help with any more specific questions for Hades Aspect.
thorny basin
aspect of ||arthur|| is so much fun. really enjoying the 1200 damage crits on the 3rd swing XD
unkempt zephyr
@onyx parcel do not give up. just try create a good build with one defence good in pool(demeter,apro,athena,dio)
aspect of ||arthur|| is so much fun. really enjoying the 1200 damage crits on the 3rd swing XD
@thorny basin special Switch off all traps. even lava. you can special on lava and run on field with out taking damage.
little pine
Any tips for gauntlets? Not sure what boons to take, and the short range makes dodging attacks harder, might be doing something wrong play style wise as well.
proven osprey
@cunning urchin ty for the hera build suggestion, I dealt a solid 8k on final boss 
limber flax
what shield hammer do i want?
cunning urchin
Nice!
proven osprey
I wanted to screen that so I nearly died but it's ok
thorny basin
@unkempt zephyr seriously? also side note, did you/do you use mewe?
limber flax
unkempt zephyr
@unkempt zephyr seriously? also side note, did you/do you use mewe?
@thorny basin im not joke.im artur mainer.
limber flax
opinions
marsh pumice
Charged shot 
limber flax
easy choice?
marsh pumice
very easy 
thorny basin
@unkempt zephyr nice. ill have to remember this. i hate the lava with a passion
cunning urchin
@little pine the guide I linked, if you scroll up a bit, should be good for every aspect of Malphon except maybe the 4th aspect.
limber flax
does the rest agree here?
full obsidian
For those of us on Switch - has anyone figured out a good map for reload for the gun? R doesn’t work for obvs reasons
limber flax
with charged shot
marsh pumice
having all 3 is even better 
cunning urchin
I'd take Sudden Rush.
But Charged Shot is good.
Just a personal preference.
Minotaur Rush can do silly damage, so that can be fun.
dense spruce
Are there suggested Aspects to focus first? Research would suggest that Aspect if Chaos Shield might have been the main suggestion previously but that it was nerfed in the 1.0 launch
livid comet
uh, shield is still the safest weapon to clear with imo
dense spruce
Related, is there somewhere that tracks what Weapons you’ve already earned Blood/Diamond/Ambrosia with?
livid comet
just the bounty list
dense spruce
Which is where?
livid comet
when you get the pact of punishment
dense spruce
Ok, don’t think I’ve unlocked that yet
thorny basin
@dense spruce unlock 5 total aspects (not including zag) so you can get the secret ones then figure out what you like
dense spruce
Ok, so have to beat the game first?
waxen imp
Shield very op
livid comet
at least once, you have to complete a run
dense spruce
Ok, only just hit Theseus Minotaur for the first time and unlocked Aspects
dense spruce
So better to spread aspects for now so that can faster unlock the secret aspects
livid comet
yep
just get the cheapest ones first
maybe
it's up to you and how comfortable you are
dense spruce
Does unlocking count as investing?
livid comet
?
dense spruce
Wiki says “invest in 5 separate non-zag aspects” wondering if doing the unlock blood payment counts
livid comet
it costs blood to unlock aspects
little pine
Iirc I only unlocked aspects on each weapon then I got offered Arthur and Guān yu
spiral tree
Guan yu broke my heart
dense spruce
Ok, don’t have to further invest after the unlock then
livid comet
Guan Yu is awesome tho
spiral tree
I heard about a life gain spear and got so excited it would be like cursed slash
But ehh
Guan yu is not that awesome
It’s tough to use on bosses :/
spiral tree
Guan yu becomes awesome with the charge time upgrade
solid portal
If I don't clear this run I'm going to arbitrarily punish my kids
livid comet
at 17 heat
livid comet
For GY you want to focus on the special, not so much the spin
livid comet
yah
spiral tree
That’s disappointing
waxen imp
Suddenly, segregate point
dense spruce
Is there a Daedalus Hammer tier list or is that too situational?
waxen imp
Depends on what build you are trying to go
hazy slate
Yeah it’s situational
charred pilot
How come the lucifer laser not deflect?
waxen imp
Like 4+ arrows special is really good for special build but worthless if you are primarily attack
hazy slate
Only the tip of the gun deflects I think
unkempt zephyr
and GY have very good to attack mechanic. you can do attack and dash strike immidiatly after.and just do it to kill opponent.its much stronger than regular spear.
hazy slate
Also because it’d be a bit broken if the entire Lucifer laser deflected
charred pilot
I guess so
livid comet
GY dash-strike is very fast
but I'm pretty sure most of the spears have the same dash-strike
unkempt zephyr
GY just have much stronger dash strike and attack. its make posible to have good damage doing attack+dash strike. when in regular spears its weak.
coarse tendon
GY?
livid comet
guan yu
GY has a higher base damage than all the other spears
the tradeoff is health
spiral tree
So you mean it’s special attack right
coarse tendon
https://gyazo.com/6f5631aefac8e6888c127f8d13e7c7f0 does shadow slash work for dash strike?
opal rock
i think so, i believe dash strikes gain all attack bonuses
coarse tendon
ok ill try thx
unkempt pagoda
attack/dash attack are differentiated for hammers, so it might not work
i know cursed slash doesn't work with dash strikes
mighty ermine
yeah, i've heard previously that shadow slash does not apply to dash-strikes
coarse tendon
y doesnt seem to work
left peak
Hi
dense spruce
Better to upgrade boon rarity or level?
left peak
Can someone tell me which to pick
I'm using the shield
I'm a new player
What's the most advisable one to pick?
unkempt pagoda
either 2 or 3
thorny basin
I'd suggest the armor
unkempt pagoda
depends if you want to attack more or special more
thorny basin
armor is really annoying especially for the shieldnwhere a lot of your damage and survivability comes from slamming people into walls
left peak
Okay, I'll go with the second for armor. Thank you guys!
@thorny basin https://i.imgur.com/36Y8spg.png
How about this?
Still using shield
thorny basin
I'd go for the doom on special and just press q every so often to apply it
left peak
Alright
limber flax
wait
left peak
Yes?
limber flax
i take dmg in festival fog?
thorny basin
@limber flax enemies arent perma stunned
limber flax
it says
thorny basin
and you arent invisible either
thorny basin
it does damage
limber flax
it doesnt
limber flax
yes
thorny basin
@limber flax hades have very few projectiles.
@left peak yes
thorny basin
yea if this is just for hades then yea
serene phoenix
is there a way to tell what kind of troves you'll see
thorny basin
@unkempt pagoda hes got his swing, beams, the one skull projectile, and the jars
right?
unkempt pagoda
yes, but he shoots skulls all the time
it's not about the number of unique projectiles he has, it's about the rate at which he uses them
cobalt field
I DID IT
cobalt field
I just picked up the shield and went right through with it
coarse tendon
https://gyazo.com/9fcc8f148eac1db6d4298bb01c6f144c finaly won with sword, boy its so much harder then other weapons xd
cobalt field
i chose the hades special upgrades and put everything into the doom-related upgrades
cloud barn
big sword more damage
coarse tendon
big sword?
cloud barn
that looks sus
it's in the about page for the hadesthegame reddit
near the bottom
turbid needle
can Chiron get concentrated volley?
seem like cant find it after awhile
mighty ermine
it can, yeah
turbid needle
nevermind literally just got it after commenting about it
coarse tendon
big sword only gives more hp not dmg @cloud barn
hazy slate
its attacks have higher base damage
narrow rampart
big sword's move set deals more damage
cloud barn
the third hit of big sword's 3 hit is 200 damage, 300 with backstab
unkempt pagoda
athena/demeter duo should've been +10% backstab bonus for every stack of chill, send tweet
hazy slate
I escaped with hades spear once with a spin build
so maybe try athena attack on hades
mighty ermine
@unkempt pagoda i actually love that idea for the record
serene phoenix
poseidon is also good on hades spear
mighty ermine
with the chill naturally lending itself to getting easier backstabs [chef kiss]
unkempt pagoda
also would make parting shot cold embrace memery better 
mighty ermine
i'd disagree about poseidon being good on hades aspect except in the case of just taking his call, or maybe tempest flourish on an exploding launcher build because of his good flourish +%
unkempt pagoda
arctic blast kinda puts a damper on the idea but i'm willing to sacrifice some synergy for a cooler duo
lapis matrix
I mean you can deflect his melee attacks too
unkempt pagoda
also, it would be a duo that puts the onus of interest on chill for once, rather than chill be a side effect of whatever the main gimmick is
mighty ermine
right, having chill provide the bonus directly and the slow enabling the use of that bonus more readily just because of how chill works... i'm a fan of this duo we will never see
and also stubborn roots is boring
effective sometimes yes, but exciting? no
lapis matrix
Sometimes it doesn’t come into play
mighty ermine
you can roll with dio attack
coarse tendon
mighty ermine
also special boosting before using poseidon call is fun
onyx parcel
Get aphro special? Maybe?
unkempt pagoda
vorime's WR did a cluster rocket doom build on eris lol
onyx parcel
And get dio aphro duo?
hazy slate
personally id choose 1, but fi you attack more than spin then 3
unkempt pagoda
my best dio eris build was: dio attack/artemis special/ares cast/aphro dash, with all hangover related duos + hunting blades
mighty ermine
just peeked at that WR hades fight; holy smokes the damage
onyx parcel
I got sooooo close with shield and sword today
unkempt pagoda
1 or 3?
if this is non-hades spear, then 3 is a viable option, turns a midrange melee weapon into a truly long range melee weapon
if hades spear, then definitely 1
unkempt pagoda
if you're going dio attack, then ricochet first and foremost (or piercing as a secondary)
maybe explosive as a tertiary
onyx parcel
Ok
unkempt pagoda
for a second hammer, probably delta chamber so you can keep your stacks up indefinitely, without stopping to reload
onyx parcel
Man EM4 is tough
onyx parcel
What was delta before
mighty ermine
lemme see
unkempt pagoda
the burst fire was extremely slow and the rate of burst was too, so much so that you actually lost dps
mighty ermine
lmao that cooldown inbetween bursts is like nothing now what the
i need to try this
rich glen
Any tips for Hades fight? I keep getting hit by just about everything.
hazy slate
you can ignore most summons except maybe the grabber
unkempt pagoda
just doing my part to spread the word of delta changes, schpoon actually caught it first and put me on it
hazy slate
uh, if the shockwaves are annoying break the skulls
also the spin is noticeably slower than theseus spin so do note that
unkempt pagoda
practice using your dashes better, learn his patterns
marsh pumice
Praise Delta chamber 
unkempt pagoda
practice in general
rich glen
aight
unkempt pagoda
lesser calls give you i-frames, so if you're about to be hit by an attack, use your lesser call and get out of there
rich glen
ah ok
i can reliably get through theseus and styx, but i keep dying on boss
but i didnt realize the skulls made the shockwaves so thats an easy fix
unkempt pagoda
if you have a cast in you, you have boiling blood applied to you
meaning you're gonna be taking double damage the entire duration of the cast
rich glen
so do I want to never have cast crystals not in the boss?
unkempt pagoda
oh, i mean the boss's cast
hazy slate
yeah
unkempt pagoda
as in the skull projectiles he shoots at you
if you get hit by one, it lodges in you
rich glen
ah isee
spiral tree
yo wtf
phase 2 redacted on extreme measures 4 has a god gauge attack?
that was surprising
but should have seen something like that coming
sigh
almost had him
proven robin
Question! Can multiple duo boons apply to a cast? Like, say, can Blizzard Shot be affected by Mirage Shot, or vice versa?
turbid needle
just tried concentrated volley
the thing is really underwhelming for any bow that isnt Chiron, heck its not EVEN good on Chiron let alone other bow
unkempt pagoda
Question! Can multiple duo boons apply to a cast? Like, say, can Blizzard Shot be affected by Mirage Shot, or vice versa?
this is an odd question because these are two different kinds of cast duos
things like parting shot and mirage shot affect the cast ability
proven robin
Just checking. Was trying to get Blizzard Shot, but I guess I just had poor luck.
turbid needle
dio and Poseidon cast have duos that turn them into a new cast
unkempt pagoda
but blizzard shot and curse of drowning for example, are based upon a specific cast, this case flood shot
you can't transmogrify a blizzard curse of drowning thing together because they both depend on flood shot
but mirage blizzard works because mirage shot doesn't care what cast you have, just that you have the ability to cast at all
it'll show up and affect your base cast, if you really want to
turbid needle
i remember having" blizzard thunderstorm cast" with Dio cast duo with Demeter and Zeus
unkempt pagoda
that works and is unfortunately, one of the few examples of cast duos being synergistic with each other
proven robin
Ah, yes, that was my next question.
So...yeah, RNGesus just didn't wanna do me a solid.
coarse tendon
wait I got deflect on attack flurry jab but I still get hit by theseus spears/
unkempt pagoda
...in fact it's the only set of cast duos that aren't mutually exclusive, wow
worn prism
any ideas for an achilles build?
unkempt pagoda
freezing vortex/hunting blades, curse of drowning/blizzard shot, and crystal clarity/cold embrace are exclusive
any ideas for an achilles build?
go for a non-sticking cast if you can, but any cast works fine (zeus being one of the best sticking casts)
mighty ermine
the synergy rabbit hole opens up once again
unkempt pagoda
lightning phalanx i also quite like
worn prism
gonna try hunting blades i think
unkempt pagoda
the synergy rabbit hole opens up once again
so many anti-synergies that could've been synergies if given a chance 😔
especially freezing hunting blades
mighty ermine
that would have been incredible good lord
unkempt pagoda
the only issue i see with it is arctic blast, but like... you have hunting blades lol
mighty ermine
and it should've happened, too, like, keep hunting blades behavior but apply the slower blade movement speed
unkempt pagoda
you're already playing a mindless skill-less game anyways
turbid needle
chaos
worn prism
worth
turbid needle
chaos is worth most of the time really
unless you are on really high heat and in Elysium
so what shield should i play now Chaos is nerfed?
not very particularly fond of Beowulf however
unkempt pagoda
play bow instead
plain violet
Which bow do you like? Chiron seemed neat.
unkempt pagoda
rama is getting up there, but currently either zag or hera
unkempt zephyr
Chaos shield still goon.not so broken like befor. just good room clear weapon.
plain violet
Is there an aspect y’all avoid?
I feel like the Arthur one feels too slow for me
Even though the dmg is good
unkempt pagoda
zag spear, zag rail, zag sword, talos, zeus, achilles
shadow ridge
I think out of all the weapon aspects, the gun's basic aspect is my least favorite by far
unkempt zephyr
talos probably. claws,rama and artur if you new in game. They dif to use. zag sword,zag spear just weak.
worn prism
do viscious skewer + artemis special crit chances stack??
lapis matrix
Probably?
plain violet
I used to like zag rail but Lucifer just seems better
unkempt pagoda
yes
worn prism
i might have 100% crit chance on special lol
plain violet
Plus Lucifer just looks cool
shadow ridge
rail when I have the time limit pact drives me up a wall if I don't get the boons I want
worn prism
70% nvm
shadow ridge
plus the special has a mind of its own 1/4 of the time I swear
dense spruce
So is Zag just the flavor of weapon you start off with?
shadow ridge
Sometimes it just shoots nowhere
lapis matrix
Zag gets extra stuff with investment
shadow ridge
It's nice on all the weapons except the rail special lul
if it affects that, I don't know
lapis matrix
But yes they usually don't change the weapons that much
plain violet
Yeah the rail special it’s hard to hit the bombs lol
untold quiver
What does God Mode cap out at?
peak panther
I got up to 68%, now I'm restarting w/o to see how well I can do taking full damage
oof, it's harder 🙂
Does anyone know of a resource for suggested boons/builds, or is searchbar the best way for that?
hearty elbow
What about auto aim?
@plain violet On pretty much. There are some oddball aspects that like the control of free aim, a lot more of them, like Bow and Rail kind of rely on Auto Aim to pick up the slack while you reposition.
robust anchor
i just look at the pinned spreadsheet in #h1-high-heat-strategies
hearty elbow
Though there are some downside with weapons that have some travel time or windup, against fast moving enemies. You may just whiff
robust anchor
it shows vids for each weapon
lapis matrix
Depends on the weapons
peak panther
@robust anchor thank you, I wasn't aware that posts could be pinned. I just leveled up in Discord 😄
unkempt zephyr
For beginers probably Chiron ,nemesis and zeus shield,chaos shield most easy weapon to go in heat.
untold quiver
Oh nice.....I didn't realize, but it tracks all your deaths I turned it on first time cause I hit my heat wall and got 28%
peak panther
I was surprised it was only 20% damage reduction... the game was pretty hard even still.
hearty elbow
Lol, my stats are so pooped on my PC save, from seed suiciding. I'm keeping my Switch one pure though.
plain violet
Won’t hades have cross platform saves soon?
unkempt zephyr
I was surprised it was only 20% damage reduction... the game was pretty hard even still.
@peak panther You need lear how to move. and handle weapons.
peak panther
@unkempt zephyr that's what I'm doing with my new save 😄 I was surprised I made it to Hades' second life with 50 life and a basically empty dark mirror
but still lots of improvement to go
spiral tree
If I have weak attack on arthur aura does that mean enemy damage is 70% less?
plain violet
is there a downside to overfilling the heat gauge? Like if I have 3 heat bounties and I fill to 6, do I lose out on anything?
unkempt zephyr
is there a downside to overfilling the heat gauge? Like if I have 3 heat bounties and I fill to 6, do I lose out on anything?
@plain violet No
plain violet
Cool cool
limber flax
Dam
opal rock
does the lightning phalanx duo boon (Phalanx Shot can bounce) get modified by storm lightning (+max bounces)
limber flax
I just saw a video where someone ranked chaos aspect as c tier
That's pretty false right
unkempt zephyr
yup
hearty elbow
Tiers are kind of... non-existent in this game. There are some aspects that are notably worse because of a design flaw (e.g. Zag Sword, Fist4 and Lucifer), and some that have distinct advantages, but mots of them fall in the same space
And it's super dependent on heat
arctic elbow
I feel like the thrown shields have a mind of their own when I use that aspect
unkempt zephyr
Before chaos shield was Brokes super OP.
limber flax
And now?
unkempt zephyr
And now?
@limber flax see your Private message.
inland meadow
anyone know roughly how long athena revenge boon lasts?
unkempt zephyr
anyone know roughly how long athena revenge boon lasts?
@inland meadow lets i check.give me 1min
solid portal
How's Demeters call? the vortex.
inland meadow
was thinking about vengeful mood and athena revenge being stupid
unkempt zephyr
near 0.5-0.7 seconds.
inland meadow
ok cool
hazy slate
demeters call aint that good
unless you get the boon that makes an explosion at 10 chill
unkempt zephyr
demeter call trash if you dont have arctic blast
solid portal
I have that crystal beam or snow burst 😦
opal rock
sometimes i just use demeter boon w/ 1 charge to proc punishment
unkempt zephyr
and cast trash with out blast and Glacial Glare. But with this....its amazing solid
turbid needle
slow weapons are trash on demeter, too quick weapon is also wasted on demeter without artic blast
unkempt zephyr
slow weapons are trash on demeter, too quick weapon is also wasted on demeter without artic blast
@turbid needle i cant say about slow weapon. demeter have one of best damage % on boons. like athena. only one god have better. aphro.And slow weapon usualy have huge base attack. and with slow its becoming easy to deal damage on slow weapon.
Like ||Lucifer special||
solid portal
Euridice I never know what to take.. Ambrosa or Pm delight
- Level or + rarity
or next 3 boons thingy
unkempt zephyr
For mee its Rare for main ability or HUGE chance to find duo or chance to find epic primary ability.
turbid needle
slow weapon with other fast method of attack then maybe, but feel like slow weapon is more fitting on either Aphro or Artemis
take t rarity when your boon is like really low quality
but 3 next boon is usually the way to go
unkempt zephyr
when you play on low heat. you can go with out some surviving and slow. but when you go with +40% damage. or +40% mobs. or with both + 20 or 40% speed. its nessesary for me. and vs EM4 slow realy helpfull.specialy demeter legendary
turbid needle
so on 40% speed
max slow stack is basically brought them back to normal gameplay?
unkempt zephyr
i cant handle +40% even after i start 70% on 30% beat 32 heat. but i play on artur and claws so High heat.
but yep. +20 speed come back to normal and more slow them. in - speed.
turbid needle
so for Nemesis, should i go Aphro on attack or Artemis or Demeter?
and what should i put on the special?
hazy slate
i prefer aphro on attack
artemis is good on cast or special so you can get arte aphro duo
turbid needle
tried Demeter Special on sword, the stack doesnt even reach that high up
unkempt zephyr
and i have Deadly revers. i criting on 6.5k+
hazy slate
i just grab it for priveleged
i don't try to spam it anyways
just special dash attack X2
ad infinitum
it works
stone river
what are good keepsakes for aspect of chiron?
hazy slate
i think artemis is good on special
unkempt zephyr
how many backstab bonuses is that?
@hazy slate Chaos + athena 100.
unkempt zephyr
nope
hazy slate
rip
unkempt zephyr
yep.Dad die after 2 swins
and second phase after 4. becaus only one attack was crit 👍
turbid needle
i usually zeus special on chiron, just work so well
gusty parcel
It's 2 triggers on lvl 5 chiron, 3 triggers with the +special count hammer
turbid needle
that's weird
so special have cooldown but attack dont?
gusty parcel
I believe hitting separate enemies will still trigger on all of them.
unkempt zephyr
no backstab hammer?
@hazy slate and btw it was Blue lvl 3 athena attack https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/758485427723698186/763558930118737951/unknown.png
hazy slate
neat
spiral tree
top 3 aspects?
unkempt zephyr
Claws.artur.demeter.👍 hard ho handle. damage insane.
gusty parcel
GY, Gilgamesh, and regular malphon
hazy slate
personally, nemesis, eris, and demeter
solid cairn
@spiral tree top 3 favorite or "best"
gusty parcel
I feel like it's just asking for favourites.
solid cairn
because one of those is way easier to answer
gusty parcel
What you prefer.
unkempt zephyr
Best....best its opinion too.game dont have best aspect.
gusty parcel
Best is hard to be objective about. Chaos Shield is probably the consensus choice for "best" aspect but again it depends on the person.
solid cairn
umm, arthur and guan yu are tied for me,
spiral tree
Both?
solid cairn
for favorite
spiral tree
Arthur is the easiest for me so far
solid cairn
eris rail and nemesis are also probably tied for my second favorite
spiral tree
I want to love guan yu the most but the spin isn’t that great without hammer upgrades
solid cairn
the special
gusty parcel
You don't have to fully charge it to be good and the special is just really nice.
spiral tree
I never bothered using the special
I never fully charge it unless I get the charge time upgrade
gusty parcel
Super safe and the AoE+hitbox are decieving
spiral tree
Dash spin dash spin dash spin
That’s all I do haha
Maybe I’ll try upgrading the special on gy sometime
solid cairn
Yeah the special is really wide
gusty parcel
You can hit through walls with them as well
solid cairn
It’s basically explosive launcher
spiral tree
Some people last night said gloves were the best weapon by far
solid cairn
Use the spin as more of a defensive tool with Athena attack
gusty parcel
The explosion AoE can hit past walls which makes them insanely safe if you want
turbid needle
does flurry slash deal less damage than normal?
solid cairn
There is no best weapon really
spiral tree
Guan yu is the only aspect with life gain right ?
solid cairn
Innate life gain, yes
gusty parcel
Gloves are definitely the most fun imo. All of them are super cool and something about dashing and punching super fast is just great.
solid cairn
I prefer the sword
spiral tree
Spear was my favorite until I unlocked Arthur
solid cairn
Poseidon aspect is really fun and by far my favorite of the cast aspects
turbid needle
for real though guys, does flurry slash deal less damage than normal?
spiral tree
Wonder if Gilgamesh will change my mind about gloves
robust anchor
yes lol
solid cairn
Achilles just feels awkward and not fun for me and hera/Beowulf are a similar deal
It won’t
It’s basically the same thing
gusty parcel
Demeter having the 12 hit super special is fun. Talos dragging from half the map is fun. Gilgamesh with extra dashes is fun. Regular malphon is still fun cause gloves are innately fun. etc...
solid cairn
But worse
robust anchor
but doesn’t matter much bc you use dash strike most of time for sword
gusty parcel
Sword feels super bad for me. The regular attack animation feels so slow and weak.
spiral tree
Is Demeter the best of fist aspect ?
solid cairn
Although zagspect + flurry slash + Zeus attack is amazing
spiral tree
Ever 12 hits seems a like a while lol
robust anchor
sword is all about dash strike
solid cairn
@gusty parcel that’s why you dash strike always
turbid needle
Demeter aspect is the strongest fist aspect yes
spiral tree
Nah Arthur is amazing attack
solid cairn
Double edge is an insanely good hammer
spiral tree
I haven’t really used fist much
spiral tree
I still can’t decide if weak attack is better than deflect attack on Arthur
solid cairn
But nemesis has a combo that basically requires dash strike
gusty parcel
Yeah, but the special is also super slow and I'm playing on FO2 so everything that's slightly slower feels like absolute crud. Dash strike is okay though on sword. Just everything else feels like it flows better.
solid cairn
Weak and crit are the best
covert raven
What is a fast clear build for farming darkness?
solid cairn
But aphro attack actually scales better with poms and you can weak everything right off the bat, and on top of your aura damage reduction you become a complete tank
hazy slate
yeah the aphro arte duo was basically essential for my first|| EM4|| win
covert raven
I have spare blood i can invest too
spiral tree
Someone told me Athena attack is better than aphro attack for Arthur since it makes me invincible and in aura slows down projectiles so I will always have time to deflect them
Athena Arthur attack with aura is amazing
solid cairn
@covert raven for a consistent one I recommend poseidon sword with Zeus cast
spiral tree
But aphro attack damage is better plus weak is amazing
covert raven
Noted.
spiral tree
So thoughts ?
solid cairn
Check bablo’s speedrun
spiral tree
Athena or aphro for attack on Arthur ?
gusty parcel
Aphro imo
unkempt zephyr
athena. little up chat
solid cairn
More damage and makes you even tankier
gusty parcel
Aphro having the higher damage multiplier is nice.
hazy slate
athena cause its safer since you stand around because of its slow attack
spiral tree
Both are OP lol
solid cairn
Deflect isn’t very useful when your attacks are super slow
spiral tree
But the wide swing hit box makes Athena good
gusty parcel
Dash to continue combo on arthur works fine. Would rather have deflect on dash anyways
unkempt zephyr
and have 20% crit. and i kill dad with 6 hits.
solid cairn
Though Athena does have the advantage of deadly reversal
spiral tree
Also aura slows down projectiles @solid cairn
unkempt zephyr
can aphro do this?
solid cairn
I know
spiral tree
Deadly reversal is awesome
solid cairn
Probably
spiral tree
With Athena attack
solid cairn
But you could just get dash and get it with aphro
spiral tree
Yeah that’s what oversky recommended
solid cairn
All you have to do is dash through
unkempt zephyr
and i have blue athena attack lvl 3 to do this 1600.
spiral tree
I don’t have a choice tho don’t have enough darkness to upgrade fates persuasion
hazy slate
sometimes its better to go safer
spiral tree
Is this preference or is one better than the other ?
hazy slate
deflecting with arthur is like using a giant baseball bat
its preference at the end of the day however
solid cairn
Imo aphro bonuses outweighs the negatives but both are fine
spiral tree
Yeah playing baseball has been fun
solid cairn
As long as it’s a good damage multiplier it’s fine
hazy slate
choose whichever one you think is nice
solid portal
Thoughts on Athena's call?
hazy slate
athena's call is pretty nice
covert raven
Do yall reset your runs until you get an optimal first boon?
solid portal
great, I have the fists and crazy buffs to dmg
solid cairn
No
hazy slate
arthur has inherent anti-synergy with cursed slash
solid portal
I like posidens too
spiral tree
Athena is good too
gusty parcel
Athena call is great.
solid cairn
Poseidon’s call is insane
spiral tree
Poseidon definitely the best call in the game tho I don’t think it’s a debate
solid cairn
Dio’s and zeus just do massive damage
covert raven
Because somtimes I get a god i simply do not want as first boon
solid cairn
But you have to be at close range
gusty parcel
Better then poseidon. Being able to attack is better vs the bosses for me.
hazy slate
yeah, the dps from dio call is pretty big
solid cairn
Ares is dependent on the legendary which drags it down
gusty parcel
Zeus call plus double strike = feels good man
spiral tree
What’s better fated persuasion or the other one ?
hazy slate
especially if you have anything to boost the effectiveness of hangover
solid cairn
Also against fast enemies it’s hard to keep the blade rift on them
Persuasion easily
gusty parcel
Reroll boon choices is better most of the time.
thorny basin
what do you guys think of the secret claws? dash upper always feels really awkward to me and having a move set entirely build around it feels awkward
solid cairn
I forgot what it’s like to not have it and I don’t want to go back
Hidden fists are carried by merciful end
gusty parcel
Literally just use it for the +2 dashes and the huge regular attack range
solid cairn
And even then Demeter does it better
hazy slate
secret claws are a bit weak without merciful end
unkempt zephyr
show your regular attack 1600 @solid cairn aphro. becaus with athena i have 20% crit all time.becaus all time deflect. its 80% deflecting thena attack with backspab(75%+) and 20% crit chance. VS 100% aphro attach with decreasing incoming damage 30-40% and buff on 20-25% damage.
solid cairn
But you can go ruthless reflex
Since you get +2 dashes
Also it is kind of blood efficient since upgrading it basically does nothing
Because maim is useless
thorny basin
on the flip side, i love secret sword. but i dont like secret spear even tho they are both heavy movesets XP
spiral tree
How many pom upgrades do you recommend for Athena or aph attack on Arthur?
solid cairn
Depends on rarity
spiral tree
Knowing when to get Pom over boon is the only thing I have a rough time choosing
unkempt zephyr
how find. i prefer more boons.
solid cairn
Just go until the bonuses seem really small
Or you see something else you want to pom that is lower level
unkempt zephyr
blue lvl 3 anouth to do 1600 and crits on 6.5k+
solid cairn
Whites don’t scale very well past a few poms
thorny basin
ok heres a question
solid cairn
Blues are much better
thorny basin
do i go cursed on arthur
thorny basin
starting boon
solid cairn
What are the other options
solid cairn
If any of them are shadow slash or greater consecration take those
unkempt zephyr
Because maim is useless
@solid cairn Miam increase incoming damage to target on 50% and can do crits on 2k+. were is uselles?
hazy slate
never use cursed slash on arthur
cloud barn
it good
hazy slate
its attack speed is too slow to make good use of it
solid cairn
It increases maim damage, which doesn’t do anything since maim takes forever to actually do the burst of damage
thorny basin
ok so ig hoarding? ive got 200 starting money
cloud barn
and if you hit multiple enemies it gives you health per enemy, not per swing
hazy slate
it gives more health per hit, but in boss fights there is less enemies to hit
solid cairn
Worst case scenario you die and know not to use it again
covert raven
Hera bow with dio cast first boon, should I load all casts into single shot for massive burst? Or is it just situational
solid cairn
Oh btw quick tip about Arthur
gusty parcel
Situational.
empty veldt
Situational
solid cairn
Always go for Hermes attack speed
leaden talon
is the bow a good weapon? it doesnt seem to do as much as other weapons
solid portal
I would have thought heave knuckle combine with concentrated knuckle would be really good, but I think the 3 stage attack may not count tword building consecutive dmg 😦
hazy slate
its definitely a good weapon
solid cairn
It makes such a large difference
unkempt zephyr
if you play on claws.you wana miam fat targets and forgot about they. and go kill litte. to do not waste time.if fat still alive and alote of small: miam again and go kill more small.
empty veldt
Bow is a great weapon
hazy slate
its just that the base aspect is kinda bad imo
solid cairn
Chiron is a beast, but it needs all the Titan blood
hazy slate
well, its not outstanding
leaden talon
can someone explain how it's good, i just see people just spamming special on it
hazy slate
yeah, chiron special is good
leaden talon
and it doesnt do as much hard dps as like the spear
hazy slate
also its pretty safe
cloud barn
lol it does tho
solid cairn
Wut
empty veldt
its just that the base aspect is kinda bad imo
@hazy slate uhh wut. 10% innate crit permanently is really good. And you can go twin+flurry combo
covert raven
Oh god, chaos 33% cast dmg on my hera bow dio cast build or 24% rare boon chance
solid cairn
One of the best zag aspects
cloud barn
cast dmg
hazy slate
its not as good as the other aspects is what im saying
solid cairn
Chiron needs level 5
gusty parcel
Mate, you're at 2 wins which means your chiron bow has 3 maybe 4 special shots. At max it has 7. The difference is very obvious.
solid cairn
But if you do then you have a lot of options, you can go Demeter special and get the thing that makes max chilled enemies explode
placid topaz
which one is chiron again?
hazy slate
speical homes on enemies hit by attac
empty veldt
Second aspect, homing special
solid cairn
Artemis special with heart rend for just huge raw damage
hazy slate
attack
cloud barn
attack marks enemies, special homes on marked
placid topaz
ahh homing, gotcha - ty 🙂
solid cairn
Dio special is just a classic build
placid topaz
my first bow clear was with level/rank 1 homing, lol
empty veldt
You cant discount Bow4 either
placid topaz
3 arrows only ><
solid cairn
Don’t go too close tho because the arrows will waste time flying around the enemy before hitting them
cloud barn
bow4 with max level is insane
solid cairn
Rama is very fun
gusty parcel
Bow 4 is super fun. Attack feels satisfying to powershot and special is super accurate
empty veldt
All bow aspects are good with diffferent playstyle and depends on preference
cloud barn
special is great with zeus or dio, attack gets 160% on one enemy for free
solid cairn
You shotgun
leaden talon
for the gemstones/contractor, is everything outside of work orders just cosmetics?
solid cairn
There is a late game cosmetic that costs 5k gems
cloud barn
most work orders are cosmetics
solid cairn
I still only have 2k
cloud barn
which one?
solid cairn
One of the ||end screen themes||
unkempt zephyr
for the gemstones/contractor, is everything outside of work orders just cosmetics?
@leaden talon Louge for story
cloud barn
ah yes
solid cairn
The others aren’t nearly as expensive
young ether
The loung for that chibi girl
solid cairn
200 keys isn’t that bad if you have used them for everything and you take key rooms for fated persuasion
covert raven
What gods should i go for with hera bow? Have dio and artemis
solid cairn
10 Titan blood/diamonds is not much of a grind
cloud barn
ares is good on hera, so is aphro
solid cairn
But 5000 gemstones
cloud barn
the good casts basically
solid cairn
God damn
cloud barn
demeter cast isnt good, because it doesnt aim fast enough to turn around from where you shoot it
gusty parcel
I'm still working on nectar and keys for themes. Got the rest.
solid cairn
Demeter cast melts bosses no matter what tho
cloud barn
yes, but with hera
solid cairn
There is also a Demeter boon that makes it move faster
hazy slate
demeter cast needs a bit more boons to be melting bosses
solid cairn
Nope
cloud barn
you hit them, sentry spawns on them, boss moves towards you, sentry cant turn around fast enough
solid cairn
That’s why you use it with Achilles
cloud barn
ye
solid cairn
From far away
I don’t like Achilles tho
Poseidon sword is the only cast aspect I like using lol
solid cairn
Achilles is spear
cloud barn
ok cool
gusty parcel
Naegling's board baby! I hate it.
gusty parcel
I just can't make it work.
hazy slate
is nice
thorny basin
ok so tartarus went super smoth
solid cairn
With Arthur cursed?
thorny basin
tho i think it was more apho on attack than cursed
unkempt zephyr
hm.poseidon sword+ poseidon cast.
solid cairn
Anything that sticks into enemies
Poseidon cast is great all around, many duo boons
Blizzard shot, curse of drowning, mirage shot
leaden talon
is ares just busted af
solid cairn
Crush shot is massive damage but short range
leaden talon
his boons are freaking insane
shell breach
Yeah I was thinking the Poseidon cast with duo boon with Zeus
leaden talon
compared to others
solid cairn
True shot is massive damage but low aoe
Zeus cast is massive aoe but not amazing damage
You get the idea
his boons are freaking insane
Uh no
shell breach
Gotcha, tried to get more booms to support Artemis cast but kept not getting what I needed
leaden talon
oh
shell breach
I like ares but a lot of the buffs are kinda baby damage
unkempt zephyr
Yeah I was thinking the Poseidon cast with duo boon with Zeus
@shell breach better do with artemis. and take artemis on attack or on special.and take mark.you start mark enemy. and poseidon cast start crit. its lvl 3 blue cast deal 1.2k damage in mark.
leaden talon
wait how do you know what boons are additive and not multiplicative
solid cairn
It’s hard to tell
The game is not clear about it
So a lot of people think urge to kill is gonna make them do 10% more damage and then it adds like 5 damage
gusty parcel
Ares is really good at a few things specifically. Hunting Blades, Vicious Cycle, and Merciful End. Some others too but those are the ones that stand out imo.
leaden talon
doom is so good
solid cairn
Not really
gusty parcel
All damage increases outside of crit and some hammers are additive to your base damage iirc.
shell breach
@unkempt zephyr good to keep in mind. Artemis boons seem good to buff everything. Appreciate the help 👍
solid cairn
That’s why pressure points is way better than urge to kill
It’s a multiplicative damage up
Doom is kind of a niche status outside of merciful end
unkempt zephyr
wait how do you know what boons are additive and not multiplicative
@leaden talon damage additive. backstab with another damage buff multiplicative. defence and dodje multy too.its mean you cant get 100% dodje or 100 damage resistance.
solid cairn
Especially with chaos shield doom the room builds not being as much of a thing
thorny basin
ok so i dont thin cursed arthur is bad. but with arthur im not really taking much damage in general due to the layers of damage reduction and his super heavy hitting attacks
at least at 0 heat
placid topaz
oh, chaos shield doom doesnt work? dang, i was hoping to try that out in a couple runs time
thorny basin
i havent devled into the rabbit hole of heat runs yet
placid topaz
whats a better chaos shield build then? zeus for lightning + jolted?
rich glen
Does aphrodite's call give i frames?
thorny basin
all calls do iirc
rich glen
that's what i thought but i wasnt sure
unkempt zephyr
ok so i dont thin cursed arthur is bad. but with arthur im not really taking much damage in general due to the layers of damage reduction and his super heavy hitting attacks
@thorny basin curse artur good) i beat 32 heat with athena attack and special ares with ME. and revenge Duo. its fine.
solid portal
I might as well stand in the rat poison and die cause the DPS on this build is TRASH mainly due to poor description lol
thorny basin
the big sweeping attacks nets a lot of health in normal encounters
covert raven
Hera bow festive fog is disgusting.
solid portal
this is probably my favorite game of all time
But right now F this game
thorny basin
wow this is the first time ive made it allt he way to styx without losing a single defiance
turbid needle
Piercing Volley?
covert raven
Anyone?
turbid needle
Probably that, yeah.
covert raven
Explosive ok
dense valley
You'll eventually get to the point where you never burn a defiance before hades and rarely burn one in the fight
Just takes time + practice
He's as predictable as all the other bosses are he just hits like a truck
turbid needle
Sorry, I meant Piercing Volley.
covert raven
Too late.
spiral python
Quick question. Is it possible for Aspect of Arthur to get Dash Nova? It's the last hammer upgrade I need for the minor prophecy
covert raven
Ok i hate explosive shot, might have ruined my run
brave pelican
bruh im doing a lucifer run
with zeus attack and legendary
this is so busted
(i also have triple shot and wider shot hammers)
covert raven
It hits like a truck, but it takes forever to charge
dense valley
@covert raven if you make it to styx you can try to replace it at an anvil
hazy slate
have a chance to replace it at anvil, it might just take your other hammer
dense valley
I hate explosive shot because i can never get a power shot off with it
covert raven
Slippery defiance...
dense valley
If you have another hammer, yeah
rich glen
What would be good to pair with Aphro special on Hades spear?
dense valley
Chaos and/or the hammer that turns it into an aoe shot
Chaos just for raw special damage to stack on it
rich glen
what should i put on the attack then
rich glen
why not? dmg buff effects special
dense valley
You could try to just go offensive % and push an aphro attack
brave pelican
spear attacks, especially dash attacks, are extremely frequent
special is very clunky on spear
rich glen
huh i see
brave pelican
only works with guan yu imo
dense valley
I like the special, but i like it a lot more with the hammer
brave pelican
because its a good aoe
yea with hammers its good
but spear with serrated point is the strongest weapon imo
with excalibur dmg to the back
those 2 are the top tier
-regarding the spear speacial, it can be good if you have the bouncy hammer or the charge hammer
but hades spear u just go full atk normally
rich glen
onto step 2
how do i not get hit?
i am may be certifiably brain dead
but i try to dodge around and attack spam
and i usually get hit
brave pelican
anvil is evil
i rarely ever take it
i cant think of any time where i won the 50/50
hazy slate
i took it once, mainly because I took dash nova and wanted to get rid of it
covert raven
Still won tho lol
thorny basin
does DR stack additivly or in ordeR?
hazy slate
id assume additively like damage percents
mighty ermine
@rich glen special-centric hades spear works fine if you get exploding launcher, and is one of its best hammers
willow fossil
Yall em4 hades just spawned a sneak 
I already struggle killing a sneak alone. Let alone with hades
unkempt zephyr
He can spawn 2 sneaky boys)
rich glen
Just got Serrated Edge on Hades spear with +3 dash and Divine Dash
its all coming together
and Chaos just gave me +73% dash dmg??
thorny basin
@jade rover what do you think of the build I ended up with? didnt lose a single defiance until hades. <.<
jade rover
I like it, though even with all the damage mitigation you've got I wouldn't take cursed slash on arthur.
hazy slate
oof
thorny basin
@jade rover yea cursed strike definetly didnt feel like it carried me
I was offered hoarding strike in the same deal and I had a hoarding strike run earlier and it straight up felt busted with Artemis crits
cloud barn
IMO cursed strike shouldn't be a carry upgrade, as it requires putting yourself in danger to heal. against hades that usually won't be a net gain of health
it's good, but it shouldn't be your entire game plan
unless you have hermes +30% attackspeed, max level default aspect, constant swing upgrade, and cursed slash
thorny basin
yea i wasnt trying to build around it
thorny basin
definetly felt really good when clearing rooms
thorny basin
bosses I barely noticed it beyond the constant ticks of ho
cloud barn
because lorge
rich glen
@brave pelican ty for advice, just got second win with serrated point setup
brave pelican
yea
serrated is busted
man i love excalibur so much
i cant seem to lose with it
backstab dmg is so strong
hazy slate
big numbers give serotonin directly to brain
brave pelican
not only that
but its actually the only weapon im at 100% winrate on
even with trash builds
brave pelican
i think its a combination of the backstab damage working too well and the hitbox for the swipes being bugged
sometimes i swipe in front of me and half the screen dies for some reason
cloud barn
also I just had what i think is my fastest hades kill
wasn't even going for speed
hang on lemme get it on imgur
ok its too long for imgur so imma make it two seperate videos
brave pelican
i had an excalibur run
with the nyx keepsake, hammer for 200% backstab, hammer for armor dmg, artemis atk, artemis crit passive, artemis more crit%, aphrodite special, aphrodite weak enemies take more dmg
i did 4k6dmg crit on hades
in one hit
i also had the thing for more dmg when enemies have the cast in them but i didnt use cast so it would have been even higher
cloud barn
nice
oh also
i dont think i had bonus backstab damage for that 4k crit
gold damage and armor damage, was on the rat boss so didnt get armor bonus
wha
ok it linked weird
i put 2 posts in the imgur
but it embeds so it only plays the 2nd one
turbid needle
sneak? the other elite in Tartarus?
turbid needle
i dont know
hazy slate
rat mini boss is named tiny vermin
lethal chasm
prob the fast witch
cloud barn
yeah thats what i thought
turbid needle
i think he mean the giant rat miniboss
solid cairn
Smol rat?
solid cairn
I tried to pat the rat but he did not cooperate and now he must be crushed
jade rover
tiny vermin is a specific, very nasty boss
turbid needle
i was asking cause i saw somewhere someone named sneak
hazy slate
It’s literally just a tiny rat
solid cairn
Let us pet the rat though
cloud barn
LORGE
rich glen
168 is very big
cloud barn
ok hang on imma post the two videos now
hazy slate
But it has the anger of a thousand stars in it
cloud barn
turbid needle
is that suppose to be damage or lightning damage?
dry ember
don't get timed out for posting links too fast
solid cairn
It’s so fun
dry ember
Proxy Bot rules with an iron hand
turbid needle
slow weapon stop being fun when turning on +20-40% speed
solid cairn
No it’s still fun
dry ember
you get used to FO2
turbid needle
like i cant imagine getting used to FO2 Em3
solid cairn
The problem is some of the benefits package
dry ember
at some point you just say screw it, I am face tanking EM3 FO2
solid cairn
And also not taking damage control
dry ember
like this https://streamable.com/usalr6
solid cairn
What aspect is that
dry ember
hades
solid cairn
Haven’t seen that one in a while
turbid needle
that meg summon help quite a bit though
cloud barn
here's the 2nd video, bot got me
https://imgur.com/a/oix3Vfy
turbid needle
is meg summon faster than Than?
brave pelican
meg is almost instant
cloud barn
yep
solid cairn
It sucks
brave pelican
unusable
turbid needle
how does Meg target? better than Than?
smoky atlas
i always meg immediately at the start of thesus/asterius fight
smoky atlas
usually hits both, but sometimes she misses if i do it too early i think
thorny basin
ok so. Arthur. aphro, athena, artemis, or some other god to try and find early?
lethal chasm
arthur kind ahard to mess up imo as long as you get %
might as well just start artemis tho for tha chunk
thorny basin
fair
little pine
How do you play with fists? The range is so short that it feels like I can’t dodge boss attacks if I want to do damage?
hazy slate
go either zues or artemis on attack, if range is an issue try and get the hammer that boosts range
if you dont get that you can be safer if you get athena dash
lethal chasm
doom is good ish aswell if u can get doom stacks
fists i couldnt beat redact with
now its my fastest clear
lol
lots of dodging dont spam special
hazy slate
yeah its end lag is a bit rough
lethal chasm
yea as soon as i stopped doing it i could do everything lol
but i was just spamming it tinto everything and ALMOST winning
placid topaz
yeah be careful with special usage and try to get the extra range on melee from the hammer
lethal chasm
just got legendary fists today choekd at redact
extra range is nice but the kicks are crazy
i did beat him last x2 w malph w extended rnage tho
placid topaz
i love the fists - currently running low heat with them and wanted zeus attack but... wont be getting zeus this run 😦
lethal chasm
its large
placid topaz
my fav fists are the "special drag" fists (forget the name)
lethal chasm
had a wild legendary fist aspect build going earlier, 500 dmg dooms from maim
placid topaz
no more dying in poison for me!
lethal chasm
talos yea
all mine are talos i havent even unlocked demeter
and just unlocked the legendary
onyx parcel
Demeter is insane