#h1-builds-and-combat | Supergiant Games | Page 651

unkempt zephyr Oct 6, 2020, 5:17 AM

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game dont work to me.bacaus some tech problems. and i be so sad...

jade rover Oct 6, 2020, 5:18 AM

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oh no! What's actually happening?

unkempt zephyr Oct 6, 2020, 5:18 AM

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Blessed man in this discord help me with this. in tech supprot chanel

spiral tree Oct 6, 2020, 5:19 AM

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@jade rover 65 and I think like maybe 25+ were successful

drifting vale Oct 6, 2020, 5:21 AM

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Im at some where above 150 runs with 86 clears

bleak iron Oct 6, 2020, 5:26 AM

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k I need advice. Running guan yu for the first time, current main source of dmg is the spin attack which I have applying chill. Currently have the choice between Demeter/Athena duo which lets me regen 1hp/0.8s (which is far more helpful when my max is so low from guan yu, or the one that makes the 10 stacks of chill explode as an epic boon (so 100 dmg at lvl 1). Leaning towards the second b/c I feel like if I'm out of death defied I'm kinda boned with how low my hp is

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went with the second and regret it :/

damage was already obscene, and the healing would've let me just run away until I heal up in the final fight

drifting vale Oct 6, 2020, 5:33 AM

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Healing also what rank is gaun yu

bleak iron Oct 6, 2020, 5:33 AM

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first rank

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just got it

drifting vale Oct 6, 2020, 5:34 AM

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Yeah its definitely rough at level 1 its one you might want to revisit when its maxed or at least higher level

bleak iron Oct 6, 2020, 5:35 AM

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elysium is being a pain :/

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stupid chariots

drifting vale Oct 6, 2020, 5:36 AM

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Chariots or flame wheels

bleak iron Oct 6, 2020, 5:36 AM

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chariots

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I'm really bad at avoiding the charge while still dealing damage

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can't seem to get the hang of the timing of hitting them and dashing away

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flame wheels I can take out with a single strike from max range

drifting vale Oct 6, 2020, 5:38 AM

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Start with just waiting until after their charge when they pause to deal major damage

If the opportunity presents itself where you have just one chariot no enemies practice wigh that

bleak iron Oct 6, 2020, 5:38 AM

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ah thanks

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will try that out

drifting vale Oct 6, 2020, 5:38 AM

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Sure thing

bleak iron Oct 6, 2020, 5:40 AM

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AH THANK GOD IT CAME UP AGAIN

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I have the healing now 😄

drifting vale Oct 6, 2020, 5:42 AM

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Nice!

bleak iron Oct 6, 2020, 5:49 AM

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god damnit

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I lost all my death defied in the elysium boss fight 😦

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grabbed lucky tooth, mabye I'll get lucky :/

empty veldt Oct 6, 2020, 5:55 AM

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Acorn more effective hp than tooth @bleak iron

bleak iron Oct 6, 2020, 5:56 AM

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ah fak you're right on that :/

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haven't used it yet, since I normally have a lot more hp lol

empty veldt Oct 6, 2020, 5:56 AM

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Acorn also scales more with HL and EM

bleak iron Oct 6, 2020, 5:56 AM

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tho I guess even with that vs hades 3 attacks are more than 100 hp lol

cunning urchin Oct 6, 2020, 5:56 AM

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Acorn can't carry you into the boss fight, though. It only helps you once you get there.

bleak iron Oct 6, 2020, 5:56 AM

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HL/EM?

empty veldt Oct 6, 2020, 5:56 AM

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Hard labor

bleak iron Oct 6, 2020, 5:56 AM

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ah

empty veldt Oct 6, 2020, 5:56 AM

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Extreme measures

bleak iron Oct 6, 2020, 5:57 AM

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eh, I was able to not die once before the elysium boss fight

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wasn't too worreid about getting to the hades fight

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made it w/o issue, about to fight him

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the acorn def would've been the better choice

cunning urchin Oct 6, 2020, 6:00 AM

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Yeah, that's the default choice at high heat because of that. There was a period of figuring out the best tank keepsake sometime early this year, but eventually, we all settled on Acorn.

bleak iron Oct 6, 2020, 6:00 AM

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yeah he got me :/

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made it to phase 2 tho, so not too ashamed of my performance

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for it being my first time with guan yu

cunning urchin Oct 6, 2020, 6:00 AM

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Although some people still like Broken Spearpoint over that to handle all the Poison in the Temple of Styx.

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Oh nice. That's pretty good.

bleak iron Oct 6, 2020, 6:01 AM

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eh, I rarely get hit by the poison

cunning urchin Oct 6, 2020, 6:01 AM

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Guan Yu Lv.5?

bleak iron Oct 6, 2020, 6:01 AM

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and when I do I dash over to the well

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nah lol, lvl 1

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literally just unlocked it and gave it a try

cunning urchin Oct 6, 2020, 6:01 AM

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Ahhh, that's really good then.

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Lv.5, you'd have made it. squirtnya

bleak iron Oct 6, 2020, 6:02 AM

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higher level reduces the hp reduction I imagine?

cunning urchin Oct 6, 2020, 6:02 AM

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Yeah.

bleak iron Oct 6, 2020, 6:02 AM

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what does it get down to?

cunning urchin Oct 6, 2020, 6:03 AM

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-50%.

bleak iron Oct 6, 2020, 6:03 AM

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oh yeah, def would've made it lol

dense valley Oct 6, 2020, 6:08 AM

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Does Thunder Flourish only work a single time for the Aegis special, or does it trigger on every hit?

bleak iron Oct 6, 2020, 6:09 AM

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every

solid portal Oct 6, 2020, 6:16 AM

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is there a proper website for builds?

cunning urchin Oct 6, 2020, 6:16 AM

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Nope.

solid portal Oct 6, 2020, 6:17 AM

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that amazes me, over 1 mil copies sold

cunning urchin Oct 6, 2020, 6:17 AM

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The wiki has info on all the boons.

solid portal Oct 6, 2020, 6:17 AM

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you would have figured someone would build one

drifting vale Oct 6, 2020, 6:18 AM

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I think thats a big part of the fun of hades and just making whatever it gives work

hushed sun Oct 6, 2020, 6:19 AM

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just found something

solid portal Oct 6, 2020, 6:19 AM

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totally

hushed sun Oct 6, 2020, 6:19 AM

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smoldering air, clouded judgement, second wind on bow

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was fun

drifting vale Oct 6, 2020, 6:19 AM

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Yeah i just had that run earlier today

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Lots of fun

hushed sun Oct 6, 2020, 6:20 AM

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Muda muda run lol

drifting vale Oct 6, 2020, 6:20 AM

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Ora ora indeed

hushed sun Oct 6, 2020, 6:20 AM

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you just stand right behind hades and repeat special special call

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don't even need attack lol

cunning urchin Oct 6, 2020, 6:20 AM

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Clouded Judgment doesn't matter much if you have Smoldering Air. You'll want Billowing Strength.

hushed sun Oct 6, 2020, 6:21 AM

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eh

drifting vale Oct 6, 2020, 6:21 AM

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Or just smash call

hushed sun Oct 6, 2020, 6:21 AM

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I also had aphrodite aid

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so basically hades was not attacking me half the time

drifting vale Oct 6, 2020, 6:21 AM

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Im there for the meme potential

hushed sun Oct 6, 2020, 6:21 AM

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relentless volley also helped

cunning urchin Oct 6, 2020, 6:22 AM

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@solid portal most of the builds people run at low heats don't matter much at high heats due to constricting factors. I had 4 boons at the end on 52 Heat.

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So there isn't much to write in terms of build guides for high heat.

solid portal Oct 6, 2020, 6:22 AM

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I see

cunning urchin Oct 6, 2020, 6:23 AM

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And low heat, you can get away with anything, so people just do whatever they like.

drifting vale Oct 6, 2020, 6:23 AM

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Sounds like shackle keepsake works nicely at high heat

hushed sun Oct 6, 2020, 6:23 AM

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did you literally pick up four boons and leave the rest to shackle or something

cunning urchin Oct 6, 2020, 6:23 AM

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I never picked Shackle, no.

drifting vale Oct 6, 2020, 6:23 AM

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Underworld customs

hushed sun Oct 6, 2020, 6:23 AM

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ah

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wait 63 is the max heat so

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that makes like

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three less pacts from max heat doesn't it

cunning urchin Oct 6, 2020, 6:24 AM

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57 was max heat in Normal mode at the time I did 52.

hushed sun Oct 6, 2020, 6:25 AM

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that does not make the fact that you ran 52 any less scary

drifting vale Oct 6, 2020, 6:25 AM

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What do you find fun about such high heat

cunning urchin Oct 6, 2020, 6:25 AM

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And yeah, UC makes you sell a bunch. I also avoided boons to not be forced into a bad exchange with AP2. Don't want to have to spend rerolls on avoiding something.

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Well, it was WR at the time lol.

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The challenge, I guess?

robust anchor Oct 6, 2020, 6:25 AM

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fun is just fun

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no need to justify

drifting vale Oct 6, 2020, 6:26 AM

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I guess that makes sense

hushed sun Oct 6, 2020, 6:26 AM

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I guess they're just more like athletics

robust anchor Oct 6, 2020, 6:26 AM

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i like playing with lasting consequences a lot

cunning urchin Oct 6, 2020, 6:27 AM

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I mean, the reason I experience fun is unconscious, any explanation for that afterward is just a guess.

drifting vale Oct 6, 2020, 6:27 AM

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I think EM is the only heat i actually enjoy
The others are just meh or not enjoyable personally

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Yeah that makes sense sometimes though theres something specific that makes something fun

robust anchor Oct 6, 2020, 6:28 AM

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certain ones i really dislike, like AP or RI or CP

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good thing you can customize the pact

cunning urchin Oct 6, 2020, 6:29 AM

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I find anything sub-16-ish utterly boring at this point. Maybe once in awhile it can be fun in a way to just mess around with something mindlessly or try to beat a best time or something. thanthink

drifting vale Oct 6, 2020, 6:30 AM

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Yeah i can see that i usually don't just mindlessly play a game though i have to change up what game i'm playing often

hushed sun Oct 6, 2020, 6:31 AM

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any recommendations for fun status builds

cunning urchin Oct 6, 2020, 6:31 AM

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But I'm not a speedrunner. I don't get much thrill out of beating my times at 0 Heat.

hushed sun Oct 6, 2020, 6:31 AM

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moreso Heatrunner

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any recommendations for fun status builds
I prefer rail or bow

cunning urchin Oct 6, 2020, 6:32 AM

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Status build?

hushed sun Oct 6, 2020, 6:32 AM

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like, where you inflict the enemies with tons of status curses

drifting vale Oct 6, 2020, 6:32 AM

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I had a fun chill doom build on bow

hushed sun Oct 6, 2020, 6:32 AM

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and benefit from the synergies and duos

drifting vale Oct 6, 2020, 6:32 AM

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Chill, decay, and then doom

hushed sun Oct 6, 2020, 6:33 AM

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huh

cunning urchin Oct 6, 2020, 6:33 AM

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I guess something with Hangover on Eris?

hushed sun Oct 6, 2020, 6:33 AM

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slightly difficult to wrap my head around that

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also thanks for reminding, I need to try eris

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what's the current meta for eris build again, sorry

cunning urchin Oct 6, 2020, 6:34 AM

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Eris will buff your DOT, too. The only aspect that does, I think. Unless I'm forgetting something.

robust anchor Oct 6, 2020, 6:34 AM

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zeus atk

cunning urchin Oct 6, 2020, 6:34 AM

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Lightning Strike or Drunken Strike.

hushed sun Oct 6, 2020, 6:34 AM

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Err

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what is dot sorry

drifting vale Oct 6, 2020, 6:34 AM

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Damage over time

hushed sun Oct 6, 2020, 6:34 AM

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oe

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so basically buffs any damage that I deal huh

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sounds fun

cunning urchin Oct 6, 2020, 6:35 AM

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Yeah.

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You could couple it with Butterfly for extra damage.

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Could be fun. But then you wouldn't be able to force gods.

hushed sun Oct 6, 2020, 6:36 AM

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I'm guessing something like.... err, scintillating feast, zeus attack, dio cast, drunken flourish?

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idk, I guess I'll get the hang of it as I go

cunning urchin Oct 6, 2020, 6:38 AM

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Drunken Strike + Heartbreak Flourish or Deadly Flourish.

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And their Duo Boons.

hushed sun Oct 6, 2020, 6:39 AM

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huh

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so you still use special as a massive aoe damage

robust anchor Oct 6, 2020, 6:39 AM

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yes bc the attack will fall off later

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and you need to use special either way so may as well make it do damage

cunning urchin Oct 6, 2020, 6:40 AM

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Eris Attack never falls off. thanthink

hushed sun Oct 6, 2020, 6:40 AM

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ooh wait

robust anchor Oct 6, 2020, 6:40 AM

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:/

hushed sun Oct 6, 2020, 6:41 AM

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https://imgur.com/a/ZIGSwLm

Imgur

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do those stack

robust anchor Oct 6, 2020, 6:41 AM

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you get eris buff once

hushed sun Oct 6, 2020, 6:41 AM

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i mean, ricochet and lightning

robust anchor Oct 6, 2020, 6:41 AM

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yes

hushed sun Oct 6, 2020, 6:41 AM

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it specifies when you damage a foe, so

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oh nice

fluid scaffold Oct 6, 2020, 6:43 AM

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Apparently bow just got a buff!

hushed sun Oct 6, 2020, 6:43 AM

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WHAT

fluid scaffold Oct 6, 2020, 6:43 AM

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according to Discussion chat

hushed sun Oct 6, 2020, 6:43 AM

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happy

fluid scaffold Oct 6, 2020, 6:43 AM

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can't confirm

hushed sun Oct 6, 2020, 6:49 AM

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weren't lying

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eris really is chonky

lapis matrix Oct 6, 2020, 6:49 AM

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What's the buff?

cunning urchin Oct 6, 2020, 6:51 AM

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If something was changed without patch notes, that's most certainly from the test branch.

coarse tendon Oct 6, 2020, 6:51 AM

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whats eris?

lapis matrix Oct 6, 2020, 6:51 AM

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Eris Rail

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I don't like the rail I have to say

cunning urchin Oct 6, 2020, 6:52 AM

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If it's similar to the Blood Price Beta, there'll be plenty of small changes like that, and not all of them will make it into the final build anyway.

unreal jetty Oct 6, 2020, 7:10 AM

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my fave boss-control build has definitely got to be zeus x aphrodite charm spam. best with sword heal-on-attack mod :3

jade rover Oct 6, 2020, 7:27 AM

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I'm experimenting with a high skill ceiling high potential build where you use achilles, aphro cast, and ares attack. Very very fun. Planning on aiming for aphro/athena duo

sudden swift Oct 6, 2020, 7:32 AM

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sword hammer upgrade world splitter doesn't count towards dash-attack right?

turbid needle Oct 6, 2020, 7:32 AM

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It does not.

sudden swift Oct 6, 2020, 7:32 AM

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aight

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and if i'm running artemis/athena, which one is better on nemesis aspect attack?

turbid needle Oct 6, 2020, 7:33 AM

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Athena.

unreal jetty Oct 6, 2020, 7:33 AM

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I'm experimenting with a high skill ceiling high potential build where you use achilles, aphro cast, and ares attack. Very very fun. Planning on aiming for aphro/athena duo
@jade rover Backstab can rack-up to pretty impressive values easily!!! this sounds fun indeed

turbid needle Oct 6, 2020, 7:33 AM

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Artemis on Special, Aphrodite on Dash if you can swing it.

sudden swift Oct 6, 2020, 7:34 AM

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but if i get aphro, i should use her on attack?

turbid needle Oct 6, 2020, 7:35 AM

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Absolutely.

sudden swift Oct 6, 2020, 7:35 AM

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okok

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thanks mate

unkempt zephyr Oct 6, 2020, 7:36 AM

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i take on ahillies artemis on attack and some cast with AoE. becaus with crits. artemis can mark enemy. and cast CRIT in this marks.

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3 lvl poseidon cast do 1.2k damage on mark.

turbid needle Oct 6, 2020, 7:38 AM

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By putting Artemis on Special instead of Attack you can get a higher crit chance to proc Mark and cut out an additional action before you Cast.

unkempt zephyr Oct 6, 2020, 7:39 AM

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no i take on attack. becaus hammer have 3 dif upgrades for marking. 3 dash attack. triple attack. and 3 lines attack.

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and when i hiting multy targets, they instakilled becaus mark from my attack. or be killed from my cast crit after one my attack.

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that reason for me. cast winning. also i can use attack very well when cast stuck on or cd(stygian soul)

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and if add dash aphro to take duo. or take poseidon cast for Duo. if moment when fun part start. you can hit skull on hades figth with artemis attack.and hades take mark.and you cast 2-3K damage if your cast good.

jade rover Oct 6, 2020, 7:47 AM

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I'm finding that the build is good... until you run out of cast. Maybe Poseidon aspect would suit it better? It's a lot less fun....

unkempt zephyr Oct 6, 2020, 7:47 AM

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i pref stygian soul on ahillies.

jade rover Oct 6, 2020, 7:47 AM

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also, that's fun

unkempt zephyr Oct 6, 2020, 7:48 AM

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becaus it more sustain damage. and i find +1 cast. its becoming better that purple alternativ.near x2 damage with comparing on boss figths.

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and in ahilies spear you so busy when not stygian soul. all time using special to catch you cast or dashing.

real garden Oct 6, 2020, 7:52 AM

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what is the best gods attack boon for swords hidden aspect

unkempt zephyr Oct 6, 2020, 7:53 AM

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roll up. find my post about it.some one ask.and i answer on all question about hidden sword

jade rover Oct 6, 2020, 7:53 AM

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I like artemis, personally. Definitly not Zues.

dark quail Oct 6, 2020, 7:58 AM

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Does the ares boon where your attacks have more damage after using death defiance stack?

unkempt zephyr Oct 6, 2020, 7:58 AM

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its athena attack rusthell reflex green roll special artemis and aphro dash (aphro dash for new players).athena becaus you deflect attacks and projectiles.and play in baseball in you special with projectiles. also take procs from DUO with artemis for 20% crit chance.artemis becaus you special can mark enemy. and you hard hiting this guys. and athena give backstab damage.

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apro for additional DUO and some additional damage reduction.

spiral tree Oct 6, 2020, 8:02 AM

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welp

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had an OP build

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but tried Extreme Measure 4

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and got rekt by 2nd form

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that damage is insane

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deadly reversal and hunting blades

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still died =/

lapis matrix Oct 6, 2020, 8:06 AM

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EM4 is tough

cunning urchin Oct 6, 2020, 8:12 AM

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@real garden Heartbreak Strike, Deadly Strike, or Divine Strike is the meta for Sword 4.

void fjord Oct 6, 2020, 8:14 AM

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literally the three As

lapis matrix Oct 6, 2020, 8:17 AM

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Technically it's 4

spiral tree Oct 6, 2020, 8:18 AM

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yeah I did not expect for redacted to hit that tough

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Also

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athena attack is AWESOME

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Not sure if it's better than aph attack tho @unkempt zephyr

lapis matrix Oct 6, 2020, 8:19 AM

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It's pretty good yes

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To be fair Athena attack provides deflect

unkempt zephyr Oct 6, 2020, 8:20 AM

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Not sure if it's better than aph attack tho @unkempt zephyr
@spiral tree try full my build. with rusthless reflex and another options.

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becaus when you not attack and dash you take 50% dodje from it and 50% damage in figth. and when you be deflect attack and projectile in future you will take 20% crit chance from duo. also deadly strike have 2 times less damage bonus benefin and 5% less crit chance VS divine strike in this combo.

rare kayak Oct 6, 2020, 8:26 AM

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turns out the secret to thanatos achievement is gy aspect

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its like bow except you can actually hit things and do damage

unkempt zephyr Oct 6, 2020, 8:31 AM

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turns out the secret to thanatos achievement is gy aspect
@rare kayak try poseidon cast + ares Duo on tanatos fist) its work fun and very well for this aspect.

void fjord Oct 6, 2020, 8:31 AM

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u cant hit with the bow?

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and also bows does decent dmg, especially on 4th aspect

rare kayak Oct 6, 2020, 8:33 AM

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the extra hitbox gy special has makes it a ton more easier to hit plus deal with crowds

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its mostly hyperbole on damage but the gy special does do like 500 damage with charged skewer

real garden Oct 6, 2020, 8:33 AM

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thank you

unkempt zephyr Oct 6, 2020, 8:35 AM

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just belive me try poseidon cast+duo ares on tanatos fists. this cast x3 damage of poseidon cast.and create Zone with insane damage around player. and tanatos aspect pull enemy in this zone.also tanatos aspect increase damage of cast.and standart poseidon cast X3 from duo multy math with bonus from fists.

willow fossil Oct 6, 2020, 8:37 AM

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pom blossom sounds op

unkempt zephyr Oct 6, 2020, 8:38 AM

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pom blossom sounds op
@willow fossil and it work with aphro+poseidon DUO.i check this.

prime helm Oct 6, 2020, 8:42 AM

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Does having a certain weapon/aspect alter the changes of who gives you your first boon?

willow fossil Oct 6, 2020, 8:42 AM

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no

jade rover Oct 6, 2020, 8:42 AM

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Once your run is seeded, that's it.

prime helm Oct 6, 2020, 8:42 AM

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Gotcha

willow fossil Oct 6, 2020, 8:42 AM

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only keepsake can change the boon

unkempt zephyr Oct 6, 2020, 8:43 AM

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only keepsake change first boon.and change seed.

jade rover Oct 6, 2020, 8:43 AM

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I know it's not a "build" per se, but I just had an absurd string of Chaos luck and landed a Rama attack for 2400 damage

prime helm Oct 6, 2020, 8:44 AM

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Not gonna lie, trying to get winter harvest has been a royal pain

unkempt zephyr Oct 6, 2020, 8:44 AM

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I know it's not a "build" per se, but I just had an absurd string of Chaos luck and landed a Rama attack for 2400 damage
@jade rover why not? chaos can be rolled to find passive on attack.

jade rover Oct 6, 2020, 8:45 AM

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Getting Three chaos gates alone isn't the easiest thing ever, and he's got a lot of potential boons. You can shoot for it of course, but you'd have to go all in on long odds.

sharp anvil Oct 6, 2020, 8:45 AM

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Chiron with Tempest Flourish and Sea Storm doesn't trigger on each individual knockback from the special arrows

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amsad

jade rover Oct 6, 2020, 8:46 AM

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oh, that would be NASTY, though.

sharp anvil Oct 6, 2020, 8:46 AM

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I'm sad

unkempt zephyr Oct 6, 2020, 8:46 AM

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Chiron with Tempest Flourish and Sea Storm doesn't trigger on each individual knockback from the special arrows
@sharp anvil but Tempest Flourish work much better to sea storm,than zeus legendary.

sharp anvil Oct 6, 2020, 8:47 AM

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I mean it's only 1 lightning hit on every special

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Pretty disappointing

jade rover Oct 6, 2020, 8:47 AM

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You'd save time just going for zeus special, I guess.

unkempt zephyr Oct 6, 2020, 8:47 AM

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Pretty disappointing
@sharp anvil oh sry

sharp anvil Oct 6, 2020, 8:47 AM

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Nah zeus special isn't worth it

unkempt zephyr Oct 6, 2020, 8:47 AM

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for good work need Second Wave

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becaus its start move target alote. and more procks. btw you can just take demeter with Arctic Blast (100 AoE damage every 10 stucks of frost debuff)

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easy on chiron bow to do this.and clean room

sharp anvil Oct 6, 2020, 8:50 AM

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I already got a very enforceable and very good Chiron build, I just wanted to test this

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I usually just go heartbreak flourish with demeter attack, athena dash adn call and then weak enemies take more damage

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Or I go artemis special with weak main and either use exposed or a dash curse

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And use the weak enemies get crit more

hushed sun Oct 6, 2020, 8:55 AM

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huh

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never knew achilles spear was this op

outer oar Oct 6, 2020, 8:56 AM

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its what speedrunners use

hushed sun Oct 6, 2020, 8:57 AM

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did a sub 30 minute run with a serrated point and athena attack achilles spear

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And my bow runs usually go around 40±3 mins

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like, anything goes, really

unkempt zephyr Oct 6, 2020, 8:58 AM

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little up we have discussion about ahilies spear. when cast on ahilies spear can easy do 3-4k damage.

hushed sun Oct 6, 2020, 8:59 AM

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yeah i mean

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I was doing a low heat EM3 run

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not sure how achilles cast builds go but if I'm not sure if I need that in low heat

willow fossil Oct 6, 2020, 9:01 AM

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does vicious skewer works with raging rush on achilles?

hushed sun Oct 6, 2020, 9:01 AM

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is that the special crit chance thing

willow fossil Oct 6, 2020, 9:01 AM

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yes

hushed sun Oct 6, 2020, 9:01 AM

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I think it does

unkempt zephyr Oct 6, 2020, 9:01 AM

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yes it work

willow fossil Oct 6, 2020, 9:02 AM

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like does me dashing to the spear has 50% crit chance?

hushed sun Oct 6, 2020, 9:02 AM

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pretty sure yeah

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not entirely sure tho because I had deadly flourish on

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the whole raging rush feels like getting an extra dash

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sorta like hextech flash, should i say

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extremely fun in hades run
vs hades fight*, sorry

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since you can just ignore the skulls and rush towards the skull when they explode

unkempt zephyr Oct 6, 2020, 9:12 AM

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than why i love artur aspec boyoo. already finish run. 6.7k crits from back.its was epic athena attack.

thorny lagoon Oct 6, 2020, 9:36 AM

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does lasting consequences effect the guan yu spin heal

small stirrup Oct 6, 2020, 9:37 AM

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Nope

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You still heal even with LC 4

thorny lagoon Oct 6, 2020, 9:42 AM

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nice

wicked notch Oct 6, 2020, 9:58 AM

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You can get dash nova hammer on arthur right?

void fjord Oct 6, 2020, 10:05 AM

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i think so

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but why

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why do you want to literally make ur brain melt

wicked notch Oct 6, 2020, 10:14 AM

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Fated Prophecy

void fjord Oct 6, 2020, 10:18 AM

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ok

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that should be only reason

wicked notch Oct 6, 2020, 10:20 AM

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But now I'm gonna take it to spite you

dark quail Oct 6, 2020, 10:28 AM

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What are good boons for aspect of gilgamesh?

stiff flume Oct 6, 2020, 10:42 AM

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thats the shield? @dark quail

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or the fists 🤔

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ah, fists

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dont have anything for it then sadly, i dont like the maim buff on enemies. its all well and good until you face EM4 hades and he hits like an absolute truck

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you almost certainly want Weak on special or attack

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and probably some other defensive stuff

fluid trench Oct 6, 2020, 11:02 AM

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take hermes dashes for jokes

half crater Oct 6, 2020, 11:03 AM

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8 dashes or just go home tbh

fluid trench Oct 6, 2020, 11:05 AM

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8 dashes, dash healing, dash sturdy, poseidon dash, sea storm

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don't even touch any other buttons

turbid needle Oct 6, 2020, 11:13 AM

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how high are chances to get that? pretty low in a run huh?

fluid trench Oct 6, 2020, 11:14 AM

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it's not low enough that you couldn't aim for it but it is low enough that you'd have to make a concerted effort and also probably pull a lot of demeter/poseidon/zeus

turbid needle Oct 6, 2020, 11:19 AM

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ok 🙂

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well ... i bought bow of chiron last night because everyone says its overpowered. tried ... its not as good as i thought. o_O

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guess i try next weapon 😄

stiff flume Oct 6, 2020, 11:25 AM

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its good

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just needs the right boons

neat hound Oct 6, 2020, 11:28 AM

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Am i the only knucklehead who never bought death defiance ?

fluid trench Oct 6, 2020, 11:28 AM

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it's good*, honestly

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like yeah i love it but that's level 5

storm scaffold Oct 6, 2020, 11:43 AM

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God the spear feels so bad in comparison to the other weapons, since the dash during an attack doesnt occur right away.

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Honestly the bow feels like the best weapon so far. Its got range and great damage.

unkempt zephyr Oct 6, 2020, 11:46 AM

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God the spear feels so bad in comparison to the other weapons, since the dash during an attack doesnt occur right away.
@storm scaffold Mb you doing some thing wron with your build.

neat hound Oct 6, 2020, 11:58 AM

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Yeah the spear is kinda the least fun

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Even with aspects and boons

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Other weapons get much better things in terms of gameplay

static jacinth Oct 6, 2020, 11:59 AM

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I like the spear a lot.

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Sword is easily my least favorite.

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And then fists.

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It's all about different preferences.

neat hound Oct 6, 2020, 12:00 PM

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My problem with the spear is that it doesn't have that risk the sword has of being very short range

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While not having as much utility

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And daedelus boons offer way more to the sword

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The aspects of the sword (especially dislodging crystals) + the fists magnetic cutter offer more utility overall than any Spear aspect

limber pine Oct 6, 2020, 12:01 PM

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4th spear is fine, the first 3 didn't click for me

neat hound Oct 6, 2020, 12:01 PM

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The 4th spear pb is just its loooooong combo

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It's way too long

limber pine Oct 6, 2020, 12:01 PM

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pb?

neat hound Oct 6, 2020, 12:03 PM

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problem

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but yeah to me the spear feels like the weapon you would choose if you just want to not think

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since it's so safe

limber pine Oct 6, 2020, 12:03 PM

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the problem is non-existent when you don't use the combo at all

neat hound Oct 6, 2020, 12:04 PM

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thing is i like using all my tools

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and the combo being totally useless is just meh

limber pine Oct 6, 2020, 12:05 PM

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the cost of being non-optimal by using all your tools, even useless ones

unkempt zephyr Oct 6, 2020, 12:06 PM

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but yeah to me the spear feels like the weapon you would choose if you just want to not think
@neat hound Then try beat some think like 10 heat. with no think)

red mist Oct 6, 2020, 12:07 PM

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what god do I start on talos

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I currently pick aphrodite

neat hound Oct 6, 2020, 12:09 PM

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@unkempt zephyr I would definitely think less than when using other weapons don't worry

unkempt zephyr Oct 6, 2020, 12:10 PM

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im dont worry at all. its you have problems with spear.and write there about it.

red mist Oct 6, 2020, 12:18 PM

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anyoen?

unkempt zephyr Oct 6, 2020, 12:18 PM

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what god do I start on talos
@red mist talos have good cast bonus and bonus to attack. i dont like this weapon. but find for my self build poseidon cast+ ares DUO. cast changed on circle around zagreus and deal x3 damage of poseidon cast. Its cool. becaus you use special => pull enemy .very good to have for this ares on special. and add some thing with good % of damage on attack. like athena. to have another combo with ares.

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its work. i close easy 21 heat on this. but need putt poms in cast.

austere shadow Oct 6, 2020, 12:22 PM

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What are the best spear boons from poseidon that I should look for in an Exclusive access run

red mist Oct 6, 2020, 12:22 PM

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erm

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I don't see cast bonuses anywhere on talos

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oh silly me there is one

unkempt zephyr Oct 6, 2020, 12:23 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/758485427723698186/763013587148472320/unknown.png

red mist Oct 6, 2020, 12:23 PM

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@unkempt zephyr that doesn't seem reliable to me

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not the duo boon itself, but getting to it

unkempt zephyr Oct 6, 2020, 12:26 PM

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just start on poseidon cast. and in second zone take ares keepsake. to get ares to special or attack or dash or aid. and take boons from poseidon and zeus. build with out DUO ....you runs can be so painfull and long.

red mist Oct 6, 2020, 12:29 PM

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ah crap this seed's starting boon doesn't offer cast

unkempt zephyr Oct 6, 2020, 12:30 PM

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just take in mirror Fated Persuasion.and reroll to have what you wana.

ah crap this seed's starting boon doesn't offer cast
@red mist

red mist Oct 6, 2020, 12:30 PM

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I have -3 mirror

unkempt zephyr Oct 6, 2020, 12:31 PM

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jesus with fists take Damage control 2. easy to handle.

red mist Oct 6, 2020, 12:31 PM

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I also have DC2

unkempt zephyr Oct 6, 2020, 12:31 PM

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upgraded bosses?upgraded armor enemy?

fluid trench Oct 6, 2020, 12:32 PM

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what are you taking for what heat anyway

red mist Oct 6, 2020, 12:32 PM

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24 heat lol

fluid trench Oct 6, 2020, 12:32 PM

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ah

unkempt zephyr Oct 6, 2020, 12:33 PM

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than forgot about good build if you take mirror -3. becaus with out reroll. you need luck to create a build.

red mist Oct 6, 2020, 12:34 PM

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seeds that don't offer attack/special/cast on floor 1 are not that common

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.-.

unkempt zephyr Oct 6, 2020, 12:34 PM

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just die.and start again to find core ability in slot.

red mist Oct 6, 2020, 12:35 PM

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eh I'm just practicing. guess I'll turn mirror on

unkempt zephyr Oct 6, 2020, 12:37 PM

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but my opinion. talos probably one of weakness aspects in all game.yup it better than Zag aspect.but....but...only if you wana cast build on FISTS.

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nothing personal to you @red mist . its just my opinion about talos.

red mist Oct 6, 2020, 12:38 PM

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that's odd. I hear the opposite about talos from others.

fluid trench Oct 6, 2020, 12:38 PM

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tbf being able to pull enemies is just nice imo

icy wadi Oct 6, 2020, 12:38 PM

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I freaking love talos, but that's just me. Them big upper cuts.

fierce thicket Oct 6, 2020, 12:38 PM

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zag aspect is pretty good and talos is strong as well

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weaker fist aspect is the hidden one

red mist Oct 6, 2020, 12:39 PM

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aaaand there's the others

limber flax Oct 6, 2020, 12:39 PM

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https://imgur.com/npTujoF

Imgur

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flurry right

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?

fluid trench Oct 6, 2020, 12:39 PM

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which aspect

limber flax Oct 6, 2020, 12:39 PM

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none

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just unlocked first

fluid trench Oct 6, 2020, 12:39 PM

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meh

empty veldt Oct 6, 2020, 12:39 PM

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Flurry and try to get twin shot

limber pine Oct 6, 2020, 12:40 PM

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get charged for prophecy

limber flax Oct 6, 2020, 12:40 PM

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what are prophecies even for

limber pine Oct 6, 2020, 12:40 PM

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because you aren't going to want to use it in future runs

empty veldt Oct 6, 2020, 12:40 PM

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Actually, they’re all decent depending on ur playstyle, but I would go flurry for the possibility of twin later on

fierce thicket Oct 6, 2020, 12:40 PM

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they are like small objectives that give rewards

empty veldt Oct 6, 2020, 12:40 PM

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I agree with Yakumomo

limber flax Oct 6, 2020, 12:41 PM

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ah that

empty veldt Oct 6, 2020, 12:41 PM

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Finish prophecies sooner rather than later

limber flax Oct 6, 2020, 12:41 PM

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ah man

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so i need to choke my run for prophecy?

fluid trench Oct 6, 2020, 12:41 PM

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speaking of questionable hammers is cluster bomb actually good

fierce thicket Oct 6, 2020, 12:41 PM

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I think so

limber pine Oct 6, 2020, 12:41 PM

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cluster bombs can work with rockets for 5 rockets, it's ok on its own

fluid trench Oct 6, 2020, 12:42 PM

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i checked it out and it felt bad to me but maybe im just used to triple

unkempt zephyr Oct 6, 2020, 12:42 PM

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im already easy close 32 with clasw. and bonus from them do alote of damage(1000+) and buff huge . But if you compare talos with other cast weapons. Poseidons sword have better bonus on % to cast. and you can cast nont stop. ahillies have 150% vs 40% on talos.Hera just range and have only 5 second cast drop. its mean near 120% bonus damage benefit on bosses.about shield i just dont be talk. becaus its posedon +Hera + base shield.

empty veldt Oct 6, 2020, 12:42 PM

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With eris aspect it makes it easier for u to buff yourself

fierce thicket Oct 6, 2020, 12:42 PM

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yeah well triple is a whole other power level

limber flax Oct 6, 2020, 1:06 PM

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okay so charm doesnt work on act3 boss right

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the duo

tidal edge Oct 6, 2020, 1:07 PM

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@limber flax I've definitely made Asterius go after Theseus before

dark quail Oct 6, 2020, 1:13 PM

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What are some good boons for aspect of achilles?

unkempt pagoda Oct 6, 2020, 1:19 PM

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any non-sticking casts are great (dio, ares, demeter), but zeus also works great

limber flax Oct 6, 2020, 1:22 PM

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lol

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it really works?

unkempt pagoda Oct 6, 2020, 1:25 PM

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charm works on any boss, they just are charmed for a reduced amount of time

limber flax Oct 6, 2020, 1:25 PM

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damn

robust geyser Oct 6, 2020, 1:27 PM

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Didn't 1.0 make it not work at all on the final boss?

tidal edge Oct 6, 2020, 1:30 PM

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I've canceled redacted's attacks with charm before but I haven't seen him go after minions personally

unkempt pagoda Oct 6, 2020, 1:30 PM

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i have, he’s gone after minions before

random light Oct 6, 2020, 1:33 PM

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Whenever I hit final boss with charm it just makes him stop in place for a second

dense ore Oct 6, 2020, 1:49 PM

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Charming last boss as a spam 25%

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Dang it~

robust geyser Oct 6, 2020, 1:51 PM

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Uhh, is lightning rod worth... not selling?

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I'm not using cast for much of anything.

unkempt pagoda Oct 6, 2020, 1:59 PM

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it's pretty good

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great damage for low cost

dark quail Oct 6, 2020, 2:02 PM

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Is stygian soul better for caster builds like achilles?

jagged roost Oct 6, 2020, 2:03 PM

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guys wanna try fun builds any suggestion

turbid needle Oct 6, 2020, 2:04 PM

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i like 5x rocket builds with deflect or stury on dash and attack. 😄

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its so hard to die with this

solid cairn Oct 6, 2020, 2:04 PM

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eris is broken

turbid needle Oct 6, 2020, 2:06 PM

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why?

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stand in the blast zone -> for 8s after that incr. damage output

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you have to hit yourself every 8s again

limber pine Oct 6, 2020, 2:06 PM

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all damage are increased, including Doom, Casts

turbid needle Oct 6, 2020, 2:07 PM

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yes

jagged roost Oct 6, 2020, 2:08 PM

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one more aspect to go

limber pine Oct 6, 2020, 2:08 PM

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@jagged roost just go to Haelian or JawlessPaul Youtube channels and browse through their videos, see what title is interesting/fun to you

solid cairn Oct 6, 2020, 2:09 PM

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that damage increase affects everything

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including zeus attack flat damage

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8 seconds is a long time in this game

jagged roost Oct 6, 2020, 2:09 PM

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@jagged roost just go to Haelian or JawlessPaul Youtube channels and browse through their videos, see what title is interesting/fun to you
@limber pine alright il give it a go

solid cairn Oct 6, 2020, 2:10 PM

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75% damage up for 8 seconds is absurd

limber pine Oct 6, 2020, 2:10 PM

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12 bullets is irritating tho

solid cairn Oct 6, 2020, 2:11 PM

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not really

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it's worth it

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btw with rocket bomb you can apply the damage buff near instantly

half crater Oct 6, 2020, 2:12 PM

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if you can’t kill something in 12 bullets with eris, something has gone wrong

solid cairn Oct 6, 2020, 2:12 PM

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^

limber pine Oct 6, 2020, 2:14 PM

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I never said it wasn't worth it tho 🤷‍♂️ just that small bullet capacity is irritating unless you get unlimited ammo hammer

unkempt pagoda Oct 6, 2020, 2:19 PM

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delta chamber eris ❤️

hearty elbow Oct 6, 2020, 2:20 PM

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Yeah it plays so smoothly now. I haven't measured how much better it actually is, but it does feel significantly better

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I'm still never taking it over Ricochet or Piercing though

half crater Oct 6, 2020, 2:20 PM

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i somehow missed that buff in the patch notes and still haven’t used it

unkempt pagoda Oct 6, 2020, 2:20 PM

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oh of course

hearty elbow Oct 6, 2020, 2:20 PM

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It wasn't there

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I checked too

unkempt pagoda Oct 6, 2020, 2:21 PM

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but ricochet + delta is god

half crater Oct 6, 2020, 2:21 PM

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oh really?

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stealth buff lol

unkempt pagoda Oct 6, 2020, 2:22 PM

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(honestly it's entirely possible it was buffed before 1.0 but nobody ever used it because we were still thinking it was bad)

hearty elbow Oct 6, 2020, 2:22 PM

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I thought I was getting gaslit, because I remember the first couple of times I used Delta Chamber in Blood Price I nearly vomited from how bad it was, but in 1.0 I was like... this is... legit?

half crater Oct 6, 2020, 2:22 PM

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delta chamber was just gathering power

limber pine Oct 6, 2020, 2:22 PM

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how bad was it before 1.0?

unkempt pagoda Oct 6, 2020, 2:23 PM

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incredibly slow burst fire and burst rate

half crater Oct 6, 2020, 2:23 PM

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now it’s ready to unleash its full potential

hearty elbow Oct 6, 2020, 2:23 PM

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Lol, it felt like maybe 2/3 of the reload time, but every 3 shots

unkempt pagoda Oct 6, 2020, 2:23 PM

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so much so it was an actual dps loss

hearty elbow Oct 6, 2020, 2:23 PM

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Pew... pew... pew...

limber pine Oct 6, 2020, 2:23 PM

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ouch

unkempt pagoda Oct 6, 2020, 2:23 PM

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i actively considered it a trap hammer before the changes

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then schpoon caught that it actually changed and converted me to delta chamber gang

half crater Oct 6, 2020, 2:24 PM

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oh yeah it was one of those hammers my eyes would just glaze over when it came up

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like, oh, i guess there’s just two choices this time

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weird

hearty elbow Oct 6, 2020, 2:24 PM

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I'd be curious to see someone actually measure DPS increase. It feels pretty significant, but I will force myself to stop taking it if it's like 10% or something.

unkempt pagoda Oct 6, 2020, 2:25 PM

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but

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it's fun

hearty elbow Oct 6, 2020, 2:25 PM

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Eris is pretty fun baseline

unkempt pagoda Oct 6, 2020, 2:25 PM

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but now it's more fun 😛

hearty elbow Oct 6, 2020, 2:25 PM

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Delta Chamber just takes a little think out of it lol

unkempt pagoda Oct 6, 2020, 2:26 PM

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if you're thinking, you're not actually having fun bc you're too busy thinking /s

hearty elbow Oct 6, 2020, 2:27 PM

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Pretty much Zeus aspect in a nutshell for me

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"I feel like I did this terribly wrong but I have no idea in what way i fudged it"

void zenith Oct 6, 2020, 2:30 PM

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Delta chamber really shines on Eris, but kinda defeats the point of zag or hestia aspects

crude salmon Oct 6, 2020, 2:33 PM

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its still a good grab on Zag sometimes

void zenith Oct 6, 2020, 2:34 PM

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Could be. I used to take it when my zag aspect wasn't leveled

half crater Oct 6, 2020, 2:34 PM

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oh hestia it would literally do nothing lol

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but on zag it would still be a dps increase yeah

void zenith Oct 6, 2020, 2:34 PM

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But when it has 24 rounds, reloads aren't much of problem

half crater Oct 6, 2020, 2:35 PM

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true

hearty elbow Oct 6, 2020, 2:35 PM

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Does it pair with Spread Fire? That kind of sounds annoying but I wonder if the combo is available

void zenith Oct 6, 2020, 2:35 PM

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Flurry fire is much better for zag

unkempt pagoda Oct 6, 2020, 2:35 PM

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not sure, spread fire still has that -6 ammo thing

lone lava Oct 6, 2020, 2:38 PM

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what's the build for rama?

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Never used it before

void zenith Oct 6, 2020, 2:38 PM

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most anything works, really

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Any DPS increases like aphrodite or artemis usually works best

wet spindle Oct 6, 2020, 2:39 PM

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Does anyone know when to use the Stubborn Defiance, i myself find it useless in most occasion

unkempt pagoda Oct 6, 2020, 2:39 PM

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you can do an attack build (aphro or artemis, twin shot base), special build (dio or zeus, relentless base), or hybrid build

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Does anyone know when to use the Stubborn Defiance, i myself find it useless in most occasion
mostly it's useful when regular rooms get dangerous (high heats) or you have Lasting Consequences all the way up (0% healing), as it becomes the only way to heal yourself between chambers

faint mulch Oct 6, 2020, 2:41 PM

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Stubborn mostly useful on high heat yeah

soft pine Oct 6, 2020, 2:42 PM

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I just turned Alecto into a sandwich. 8 }

wet spindle Oct 6, 2020, 2:42 PM

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Ah i see, i never pass 16 heat so thats why, thanks

turbid needle Oct 6, 2020, 2:44 PM

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ah the mighty upper kick save me once again

random light Oct 6, 2020, 2:45 PM

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Upper kick best Fist hammer

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Although Breaching Dash Attack on Fists is bonkers

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+900% damage to armor is so nice

faint mulch Oct 6, 2020, 2:46 PM

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Breaching cross pretty nuts

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Is rolling knuckle any good? I can never tell whether it's doing much

turbid needle Oct 6, 2020, 2:46 PM

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is it me or does armor have their own resistance or armor are higher than they appear?
cause after painfully breaking armor, the enemies usually just instantly die after like 1-2 sec

void zenith Oct 6, 2020, 2:47 PM

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Rolling knuckle is good - and can get even better if you get further dash strike upgrades

faint mulch Oct 6, 2020, 2:47 PM

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Armor can have higher values than health bars

soft pine Oct 6, 2020, 2:47 PM

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@faint mulch rolling knuckle is very good with arty dash and a lucky dash attack chaos boon

void zenith Oct 6, 2020, 2:47 PM

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Not an "always-pick", but still very viable

faint mulch Oct 6, 2020, 2:48 PM

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Ok, I'll try something like that out at some point

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Thanks

lone lava Oct 6, 2020, 2:48 PM

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I think rolling is nice cause you always want to dash to reset attack combo, especially with ME you dash strike whenever it's up

turbid needle Oct 6, 2020, 2:48 PM

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wait, there isnt a page in the codex for the hammer upgrades, right?
kind of a shame

soft pine Oct 6, 2020, 2:49 PM

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I'm running with Chiron bow and sort of fell into this neat synergy, Chiron + Doom Special + Dire Misfortune + Impending Doom. Couple of volleys into an enemy and they're taking a 700+ damage doom hit.

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hoping to get the +4 special shots on my second hammer

faint mulch Oct 6, 2020, 2:49 PM

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Oh yeah doom chiron is lowkey one of my fave builds

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with relentless volley it's upwards of 1k doom

turbid needle Oct 6, 2020, 2:50 PM

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all of my chiron build have "+4"hammer upgrade for some reason
not only that it also usually the 1st hammer too

lone lava Oct 6, 2020, 2:50 PM

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@unkempt pagoda sorry for ping but what do you tend to start with, god keepsake wise then if hammer upgrade tends to decide build direction?

soft pine Oct 6, 2020, 2:51 PM

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got posi on attack, this is going really well!

lone lava Oct 6, 2020, 2:51 PM

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Also for both those builds, best way to round them out? (what other core boons are ideal and any duos/legendries to go for)

unkempt pagoda Oct 6, 2020, 2:52 PM

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if i get a god on the first chamber, i check which type of boon has the best rarity, then i Give Up and switch to a different god keepsake depending on what is given to me

lone lava Oct 6, 2020, 2:52 PM

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Ah so you can start with a strong attack/special boon accordingly

unkempt pagoda Oct 6, 2020, 2:52 PM

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for example, if i get an epic attack on first chamber, i'll give up, then switch to either rose or arrow

soft pine Oct 6, 2020, 2:53 PM

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hammers can direct your build if you get one in tartarus, otherwise I find you choose hammer boons to accentuate what you already have

unkempt pagoda Oct 6, 2020, 2:53 PM

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after i get my boon, then i play the build accordingly, getting the right hammers on the way

turbid needle Oct 6, 2020, 2:54 PM

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its also kind of a shame that you pikc powerful "deal extra damage to armor" when no bosses have armor

faint mulch Oct 6, 2020, 2:54 PM

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Out of curiosity, if you check a run and have a boon from someone first, then "give up" and select a different god keepsake, is the original god still one of the naturally appearing gods in that run?

soft pine Oct 6, 2020, 2:55 PM

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+armor damage helps a ton in elysium tho

faint mulch Oct 6, 2020, 2:55 PM

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If anyone knows

void zenith Oct 6, 2020, 2:55 PM

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Armor damage still helps on hades for the adds

lone lava Oct 6, 2020, 2:55 PM

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Thanks Onyx

void zenith Oct 6, 2020, 2:55 PM

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Though whenever I get a chance, I do try to use anvil to change armor damage for something else

unkempt pagoda Oct 6, 2020, 2:55 PM

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for special, one time i went zeus special, relentless, then built up to splitting bolt

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helps that i got swift flourish, i just spammed special for the entire run

turbid needle Oct 6, 2020, 2:56 PM

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and what do you mean by "give up"

lone lava Oct 6, 2020, 2:56 PM

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open menu and give up

unkempt pagoda Oct 6, 2020, 2:56 PM

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pressing escape, then selecting the Give Up option

lone lava Oct 6, 2020, 2:56 PM

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You load back to before you started that run

turbid needle Oct 6, 2020, 2:56 PM

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understandable

soft pine Oct 6, 2020, 2:57 PM

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dangit Posiedon! Making me choose between epic rupture and Unshakable Mettle. dirty pool, old boy!

turbid needle Oct 6, 2020, 2:57 PM

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although i wish Chaos egg also have a passive that let more chaos gate appear

solid cairn Oct 6, 2020, 2:58 PM

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that would be really good

cunning urchin Oct 6, 2020, 2:58 PM

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Why? You can check the Well for a Light of Ixion before you take the Egg.

turbid needle Oct 6, 2020, 2:58 PM

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feel like you only get about 3 chaos gates per run without buying from charon

soft pine Oct 6, 2020, 2:58 PM

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Ixion doesn't pop up nearly often enough

cunning urchin Oct 6, 2020, 2:59 PM

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You can reroll Wells with Persuasion if you want.

soft pine Oct 6, 2020, 2:59 PM

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@turbid needle 3? I'm lucky to get 2, and usually the second one is a couple of rooms away from the sodding boss

void zenith Oct 6, 2020, 2:59 PM

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Chaos egg removing damage doesn't really feel like that big of a change really

solid cairn Oct 6, 2020, 2:59 PM

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what if light of ixion was affected by hourglass looool

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5 chaos gates in a row

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more actually

soft pine Oct 6, 2020, 2:59 PM

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egg also vastly increases boon rarity though

void zenith Oct 6, 2020, 2:59 PM

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Cause if you have room regen, you're already taking 15 rather than 21

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Barring LC, of course

cunning urchin Oct 6, 2020, 3:00 PM

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Yeah, you get +40% chance for rare or better. That's pretty damn big.

turbid needle Oct 6, 2020, 3:00 PM

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tooking chaos gate with guan Yu for extra spiciness

solid cairn Oct 6, 2020, 3:00 PM

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it isn't as impactful as forcing a god though I think

cunning urchin Oct 6, 2020, 3:00 PM

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Free Chaos Gates with extra rarity helps a lot in Elysium.

void zenith Oct 6, 2020, 3:01 PM

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One case when I see taking egg is if you check the shop after furies or hydra and see ixion

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And then you can switch to egg

soft pine Oct 6, 2020, 3:02 PM

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I want Persuasion to work on hammers. >O

solid cairn Oct 6, 2020, 3:02 PM

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that would be... incredibly game breakaing

faint mulch Oct 6, 2020, 3:02 PM

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Yeah

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As much as I want it yeah

void zenith Oct 6, 2020, 3:02 PM

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But it's also kinda risky doing it on elysium because it feels like you get hammer on first pick more often than not

turbid needle Oct 6, 2020, 3:02 PM

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i mean you could choose a god during first world and if your run is somehow solid enough, take chaos in world 2 and 3 and switch for something else in world 4

solid cairn Oct 6, 2020, 3:04 PM

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there is a reason to use it which automatically makes it better than a lot of keepsakes

cunning urchin Oct 6, 2020, 3:06 PM

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Hammer will show up again if you skip it. That's not an issue.

turbid needle Oct 6, 2020, 3:06 PM

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any consistence build for rail in general? im just suck at rail
not completely suck but just couldnt make it powerful enough

cunning urchin Oct 6, 2020, 3:06 PM

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Lightning Strike.

unkempt pagoda Oct 6, 2020, 3:06 PM

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lightning strike

cunning urchin Oct 6, 2020, 3:06 PM

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That's your build. Done.

robust geyser Oct 6, 2020, 3:06 PM

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Hmmm

cunning urchin Oct 6, 2020, 3:06 PM

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Anything else is extra.

unkempt pagoda Oct 6, 2020, 3:06 PM

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rocket cluster bomb

robust geyser Oct 6, 2020, 3:06 PM

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Is that a reason to use Zag rail?

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Or is Eris still better?

delicate sentinel Oct 6, 2020, 3:07 PM

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And turn it into a shotgun ive heard.

unkempt pagoda Oct 6, 2020, 3:07 PM

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no lol, other rails do lightning strike better

fierce thicket Oct 6, 2020, 3:07 PM

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not when eris exists

turbid needle Oct 6, 2020, 3:07 PM

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so take jolt and + lightning bounce or something?

robust geyser Oct 6, 2020, 3:07 PM

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Ah, ok.

unkempt pagoda Oct 6, 2020, 3:07 PM

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lightning strike -> storm lightning -> splitting bolt

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get jolted if you want, too

dark quail Oct 6, 2020, 3:08 PM

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Man, achilles and that tracking ares cast is op

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What is the fastest way to get it again?

cunning urchin Oct 6, 2020, 3:08 PM

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You could get nothing else except for some poms on Lightning Strikes, and you'd be fine. T2 lightning boons and the legendary would obviously make things easier.

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Support Fire also adds a lot of DPS.

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Divine Dash is always nice.

turbid needle Oct 6, 2020, 3:09 PM

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ok ill try a lightning strike and athena dash with no boon on special and cast

cunning urchin Oct 6, 2020, 3:09 PM

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Add a good call because rail builds god gauge fast.

turbid needle Oct 6, 2020, 3:10 PM

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what hammer upgrade for that though

soft pine Oct 6, 2020, 3:10 PM

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see? Just got my second chaos portal 1 room before the elysium boss. Chaos hates me. :weeps:

cunning urchin Oct 6, 2020, 3:10 PM

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Anything for Attack tbh.

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A lot of the curses are practically free, so if you have Persuasion, you can just take the gate.

turbid needle Oct 6, 2020, 3:11 PM

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and which rail?
Zagreus for more bullet
or lucifer for speed?

cunning urchin Oct 6, 2020, 3:11 PM

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Eris.

turbid needle Oct 6, 2020, 3:12 PM

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fine

soft pine Oct 6, 2020, 3:13 PM

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Eris because it boosts ALL your damage, even calls

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I love running Posi call on Eris. ZOOM ZOOM!

turbid needle Oct 6, 2020, 3:13 PM

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should i kinda avoid the gods so i have more chance to pom lightning strike?

cunning urchin Oct 6, 2020, 3:14 PM

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Eris might be hard to beat for most powerful aspect in the game right now.

robust geyser Oct 6, 2020, 3:14 PM

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huh

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poor chaos shield

cunning urchin Oct 6, 2020, 3:14 PM

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Nah, you can go for boons. I was saying you could avoid all boons after Lightning Strike and just put poms and still be fine.

soft pine Oct 6, 2020, 3:14 PM

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@turbid needle prioritize poms in tartarus and early asphodel and you should be all right. 3-4 poms should suffice, 5th+ poms don't increase dmg that much

cunning urchin Oct 6, 2020, 3:15 PM

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But you should try to get more boons from Lord Zeus in particular, maybe Deadly Flourish or True Shot from Lady Artemis to potentially get Support Fire from her.

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Maybe something from Lady Aphrodite + a good DPS call to unlock Smoldering Air. Stuff like that.

turbid needle Oct 6, 2020, 3:17 PM

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is it deliberate that the 2nd room will mostly be darkness?

dark quail Oct 6, 2020, 3:17 PM

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What is the fastest way to get the duo boon between artemis and ares which makes your ares cast track?

cunning urchin Oct 6, 2020, 3:18 PM

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Refreshing Nectar, Yarn of Ariadne, miniboss chambers once you meet the requirements.

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Ideally if you can get all three of those while in Asphodel where you'd still have the second god keepsake.

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Persuasion for rerolls while you have those improved odds for the Duo Boon.

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Also, if you can ensure there's no other Duo Boon that either of them could potentially offer, that would help.

dark quail Oct 6, 2020, 3:22 PM

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Thanks

gilded nymph Oct 6, 2020, 3:24 PM

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what is the best hammer for Eris?

solid cairn Oct 6, 2020, 3:24 PM

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rocket

gilded nymph Oct 6, 2020, 3:24 PM

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my choices are triple bomb, flurry fire and explosive fire

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is explosive fire the rocket?

solid cairn Oct 6, 2020, 3:24 PM

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no

primal hazel Oct 6, 2020, 3:24 PM

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How does rocket interact with the boost

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Or am I confusing the aspects?

solid cairn Oct 6, 2020, 3:24 PM

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you get it on impact

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so if you shoot a wall you get it

primal hazel Oct 6, 2020, 3:25 PM

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Ah alright

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I'd imagine its easier to get it from bomb but I have yet to play eris

turbid needle Oct 6, 2020, 3:29 PM

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on high heat, who is the easier fury?
i feel like its still Tisiphone

cunning urchin Oct 6, 2020, 3:29 PM

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Probably Alecto for me.

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Attack hammers are ideal for Eris.

onyx parcel Oct 6, 2020, 3:31 PM

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How do I fight em3?

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I just end up taking a ton of damage

robust anchor Oct 6, 2020, 3:32 PM

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just practice HOWEVER the cow tackle is notoriously difficult to dodge

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most other moves are much easier with practice

dark quail Oct 6, 2020, 3:35 PM

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Which duo boons can lead to some op builds and on which aspects?

cunning urchin Oct 6, 2020, 3:35 PM

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Smoldering Air, any aspect.

prisma raven Oct 6, 2020, 3:35 PM

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i haven't been able to test this but i have to assume cold embrace is really good on aspect of hera

cunning urchin Oct 6, 2020, 3:35 PM

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Merciful End on any melee that isn't Sword 4.

prisma raven Oct 6, 2020, 3:36 PM

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because then instead of casting and having to instantly move to the other side of enemies, you can just shoot somewhere behind them

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and then strafe slightly to put them in the line of fire

dark quail Oct 6, 2020, 3:40 PM

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No matter what build i go for, poseidon boons seem meh, is there a build which utilises poseidon?

turbid needle Oct 6, 2020, 3:40 PM

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i dont think i can consistencely get Merciful end even with the bonus from the mirror

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heck i havent even gotten it to check it off from the list

cunning urchin Oct 6, 2020, 3:41 PM

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Really? I dunno, I get it pretty much any time. You might be spending too much on healing and end up not having gold for boons from shops? Stuff like that matters a lot.

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Having 4 Persuasion rerolls from the start also helps a lot.

turbid needle Oct 6, 2020, 3:41 PM

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bruh i dont heal

primal hazel Oct 6, 2020, 3:41 PM

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How does Demeter fist interact with kinetic launcher?

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Is it worth a try?

unkempt pagoda Oct 6, 2020, 3:42 PM

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you shoot 5 extra balls of death

barren otter Oct 6, 2020, 3:42 PM

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it's definitely worth a try

primal hazel Oct 6, 2020, 3:42 PM

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Sound nice

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Also still need it for prophecy soo

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Thanks guys!

turbid needle Oct 6, 2020, 3:43 PM

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i always store up to like 900-1000 for world 4, should i have spent it on the shops in world 2 and 3 to get Merciful end or something?

cunning urchin Oct 6, 2020, 3:43 PM

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Yeah, most likely.

unkempt pagoda Oct 6, 2020, 3:43 PM

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shops from the first three biomes are my top source of boons/poms/etc

cunning urchin Oct 6, 2020, 3:44 PM

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Also don't skip mid-shop biomes unless the other exit is the god you want.

turbid needle Oct 6, 2020, 3:44 PM

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i mean it still probably wont really boost that chance to drop duo or legendary

unkempt pagoda Oct 6, 2020, 3:44 PM

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imo money is best spent in the moment, you can get plenty of money to buy from styx shop just from going through the tunnels

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unless you want like, the diamond/titan blood

cunning urchin Oct 6, 2020, 3:45 PM

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Yeah, usually there's only 1–3 items at the final shop that are worth buying for me.

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Build is pretty much done at that point.

prisma raven Oct 6, 2020, 3:45 PM

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i always save my money because you get a lot from golden touch

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unless i need healing

fiery ginkgo Oct 6, 2020, 3:46 PM

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what's the strat for guan yu spear? kinda worried about the lack of health going into this run

unkempt pagoda Oct 6, 2020, 3:46 PM

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charged skewer

cunning urchin Oct 6, 2020, 3:47 PM

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Golden Touch is great for farming. If you're doing difficult content, you get more from Deep Pockets and spending early on to get your build started asap.

turbid needle Oct 6, 2020, 3:47 PM

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the spin heal you while aphro special decimate everything else

unkempt pagoda Oct 6, 2020, 3:47 PM

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or divine strike spin build, i've heard that's good

reef galleon Oct 6, 2020, 3:47 PM

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What does dodge chance mean exactly? Extension of i-frames?

fiery ginkgo Oct 6, 2020, 3:47 PM

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aphrodite is such a good god

turbid needle Oct 6, 2020, 3:47 PM

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dodge is chance to cancel damage

cunning urchin Oct 6, 2020, 3:47 PM

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@dark quail Curse of Drowning or Blizzard Shot are the go-to builds for Poseidon. Tempest Flourish is second-highest in +% damage on Special, so that's actually pretty good, too.

unkempt pagoda Oct 6, 2020, 3:47 PM

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when you dodge, you straight up don't take damage from a hit

prisma raven Oct 6, 2020, 3:48 PM

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your dodge percentage is a percentage chance to not take damage

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sometimes i dodge and i have no idea why tho

lone lava Oct 6, 2020, 3:48 PM

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@prisma raven idk if this is still the case but dem aphro duo was glitched with hera bow

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But the glitch helped

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Infact it was the only case where that duo is good imo

prisma raven Oct 6, 2020, 3:48 PM

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what was the glitch?

cunning urchin Oct 6, 2020, 3:48 PM

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@dark quail there's also the Tidal Dash-only build for memes, if you want. Tidal Dash is literally strong enough to carry you through 32 Heat all on its own.

lone lava Oct 6, 2020, 3:49 PM

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It makes it perma track the monster you hit with the cast shot

prisma raven Oct 6, 2020, 3:49 PM

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weird

unkempt pagoda Oct 6, 2020, 3:49 PM

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splash dash gil build ❤️

lone lava Oct 6, 2020, 3:49 PM

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Also I used to think poseidon sucked but he's actually really strong

turbid needle Oct 6, 2020, 3:49 PM

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so Tidal Dash have really high damage or the damage from the passive that proc from poseidon attacks?

lone lava Oct 6, 2020, 3:49 PM

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Yeah splash dash and sea storm are both op

unkempt pagoda Oct 6, 2020, 3:49 PM

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both

lone lava Oct 6, 2020, 3:50 PM

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Rn absolute fastest build seems to be eris w/ zeus attacks and splash dash

unkempt pagoda Oct 6, 2020, 3:50 PM

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tidal dash has the highest base damage for dashes i believe, and just by going up the poseidon tree, you can get a whole bunch of upgrades to it

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rupture, wave pounding, second wave, etc

lone lava Oct 6, 2020, 3:50 PM

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Then sea storm, zeus legendary, aphro special if you can and then smouldering air with a zeus call

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Would obliterate

turbid needle Oct 6, 2020, 3:51 PM

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but we all know hephaestus, who hasnt even appeared in the game, give the best boons

cunning urchin Oct 6, 2020, 3:51 PM

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Spear 4 builds fall into three categories:

Special (ideally with Charged Skewer, but works fine without it),
Dash-Strike (only if you happen to get Serrated Point),
spin/lifesteal (with either Divine Strike or Frost Strike, ideally with Quick Spin etc.)

unkempt pagoda Oct 6, 2020, 3:51 PM

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the play would also get a zeus boon to fish for sea storm

reef galleon Oct 6, 2020, 3:51 PM

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dodge is chance to cancel damage
when you dodge, you straight up don't take damage from a hit
your dodge percentage is a percentage chance to not take damage
I meant it in relation to ruthless vs greater reflex. What is dodge chance actually measured in? What do I get 50% of when I choose ruthless?

unkempt pagoda Oct 6, 2020, 3:51 PM

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(and greatest reflex from hermes, of course)

lone lava Oct 6, 2020, 3:51 PM

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for a dash% run?

cunning urchin Oct 6, 2020, 3:52 PM

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You get a 50% chance to not take any damage when you would have got hit.

unkempt pagoda Oct 6, 2020, 3:52 PM

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I meant it in relation to ruthless vs greater reflex. What is dodge chance actually measured in? What do I get 50% of when I choose ruthless?
it's multiplicative, so you should think of it as now you only have a 50% chance of getting hit

lone lava Oct 6, 2020, 3:52 PM

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@reef galleon 50% of the time you just don't take dmg

reef galleon Oct 6, 2020, 3:52 PM

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So it's not like an extension of i-frames then

lone lava Oct 6, 2020, 3:52 PM

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No

turbid needle Oct 6, 2020, 3:52 PM

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how long does Rupture proc anyway?
feel like the thing last for like a second or 2 or 3

reef galleon Oct 6, 2020, 3:52 PM

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it's simply a chance to not take damage

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jesus christ

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why

lone lava Oct 6, 2020, 3:53 PM

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It says ingame @turbid needle
I think it's 3secs

turbid needle Oct 6, 2020, 3:53 PM

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i mean if you want i frame or safety, take revenge and dash from Athena

prisma raven Oct 6, 2020, 3:53 PM

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oh that's probably where all my random dodges are coming from

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i forgot ruthless reflex gives you dodge chance

lone lava Oct 6, 2020, 3:53 PM

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Yeah Eule it's very strong if you can manage it

cunning urchin Oct 6, 2020, 3:53 PM

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i-frames on dash or upon call activation or whatever have nothing at all to do with Dodge. Entirely different mechanic.

prisma raven Oct 6, 2020, 3:54 PM

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i hated not having an extra dash when i switched to ruthless reflex to get the all talents prophecy but it's a really good thing to get used to

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since you can get extra dashes from hermes anyway

unkempt pagoda Oct 6, 2020, 3:54 PM

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eh

marsh pumice Oct 6, 2020, 3:54 PM

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I cant play without extra dash rooKek

prisma raven Oct 6, 2020, 3:54 PM

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now i'm used to it, the only thing i still have trouble with is timing the dodges for one of the final boss's attacks

lone lava Oct 6, 2020, 3:55 PM

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Hmm maybe I should start learning to run ruthless

unkempt pagoda Oct 6, 2020, 3:55 PM

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an extra dash getting you away from damage (100% not getting hit) vs only a 50% chance to not take damage

lone lava Oct 6, 2020, 3:55 PM

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Cause I i-frame final boss spin now anyway instead of dashing out of it

unkempt pagoda Oct 6, 2020, 3:55 PM

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greater reflex is just so much safer

prisma raven Oct 6, 2020, 3:55 PM

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it gives you extra damage too

unkempt pagoda Oct 6, 2020, 3:55 PM

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yes, that doesn't outweigh that greater reflex is much safer

lone lava Oct 6, 2020, 3:55 PM

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2 dashes are just very nice to have tho

prisma raven Oct 6, 2020, 3:56 PM

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another dash is safer but not required. unfortunately my ass isn't very good at it anyway

turbid needle Oct 6, 2020, 3:56 PM

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i mean 3 dash help you quite alot
2 dash make reaching 3 dash faster it faster
or if you want, take ruthless + gilgamesh for 3 dash ruthless

prisma raven Oct 6, 2020, 3:56 PM

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but like i said hermes can net you more dashes

unkempt pagoda Oct 6, 2020, 3:56 PM

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you can get plenty of damage without the +50% from ruthless

prisma raven Oct 6, 2020, 3:56 PM

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it's up to preference

unkempt pagoda Oct 6, 2020, 3:56 PM

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i only ever take ruthless when i play gil (which is... not often lol)

cunning urchin Oct 6, 2020, 3:56 PM

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Ruthless Reflex + Greatest Reflex is easily safer than Greater Reflex + Greatest Reflex.

prisma raven Oct 6, 2020, 3:57 PM

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that's true

unkempt pagoda Oct 6, 2020, 3:57 PM

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well yeah

cunning urchin Oct 6, 2020, 3:57 PM

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But you need to actually get Greatest Reflex.

prisma raven Oct 6, 2020, 3:57 PM

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+50% damage increase sounds good to me so i think i'll stick with it

unkempt pagoda Oct 6, 2020, 3:57 PM

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stygian soul + fully loaded is better than infernal soul + fully loaded, but you still have to get it lol

cunning urchin Oct 6, 2020, 3:58 PM

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Yeah, but Greatest Reflex with Persuasion is a lot easier to get than Fully Loaded. dusa

prisma raven Oct 6, 2020, 3:58 PM

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that distinction matters more if your build is cast based

turbid needle Oct 6, 2020, 3:58 PM

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i mean im kinda getting use to stygian soul
im just too lazy to get the bloodstones back

prisma raven Oct 6, 2020, 3:58 PM

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hermes offers greatest reflex pretty commonly in my experience

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especially if you have fate

unkempt pagoda Oct 6, 2020, 3:58 PM

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that time i spent getting greatest reflex i could be using to get side hustle /s

plain violet Oct 6, 2020, 3:58 PM

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side hustle is probably my favorite boon imo

prisma raven Oct 6, 2020, 3:58 PM

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stygian soul is pretty good imo

plain violet Oct 6, 2020, 3:58 PM

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love when that pops up

turbid needle Oct 6, 2020, 3:59 PM

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greatest reflex can still wait in world 4
side hustle is simply too good to get early

prisma raven Oct 6, 2020, 3:59 PM

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i only go for infernal soul if i'm running poseidon or hera

plain violet Oct 6, 2020, 3:59 PM

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side hustle lets you buy so many things

prisma raven Oct 6, 2020, 3:59 PM

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not having to remember where my bloodstones are is a load off

real garden Oct 6, 2020, 3:59 PM

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can you reach 100% dodge with hermes boons and perfect usage of his boon

cunning urchin Oct 6, 2020, 3:59 PM

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I'd be so, so happy if Side Hustle just disappeared in the next patch. dusa

prisma raven Oct 6, 2020, 3:59 PM

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and yeah side hustle makes you infinitely rich

unkempt pagoda Oct 6, 2020, 3:59 PM

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it's multiplicative, so not really

prisma raven Oct 6, 2020, 3:59 PM

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what's your beef with side hustle

lone lava Oct 6, 2020, 3:59 PM

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Yeah actually even speedrunners still run greater reflex so I'm sticking with that

unkempt pagoda Oct 6, 2020, 3:59 PM

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also, i heard there's a secret cap of 80% dodge? but i can't verify this

lone lava Oct 6, 2020, 4:00 PM

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Relying on hermes dash too inconsistent so I cba

prisma raven Oct 6, 2020, 4:00 PM

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that sounds smart imo

real garden Oct 6, 2020, 4:00 PM

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i mean even 20% of dodge is overpowered on its own

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20% chance to not take any damage

lone lava Oct 6, 2020, 4:00 PM

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Zag fist lambent plume run is very fun

prisma raven Oct 6, 2020, 4:00 PM

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yeah letting dodge stack any higher would be way too broken

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even though zag fist lambent plume is mindless fun

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zag fist lambent plume ruthless reflex

plain violet Oct 6, 2020, 4:01 PM

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what do you prefer trinket wise? Pom of Power I love a ton personally.

turbid needle Oct 6, 2020, 4:01 PM

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hammer

plain violet Oct 6, 2020, 4:01 PM

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after I max the last 2 trinkets I'm gonna use that so much more.

prisma raven Oct 6, 2020, 4:01 PM

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wdym trinket

lone lava Oct 6, 2020, 4:01 PM

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Acorn is busted for final boss

prisma raven Oct 6, 2020, 4:01 PM

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keepsake?

plain violet Oct 6, 2020, 4:01 PM

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keepsake my bad

lone lava Oct 6, 2020, 4:01 PM

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Hourglass for cast builds

prisma raven Oct 6, 2020, 4:01 PM

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i'm leveling them all up rn

lone lava Oct 6, 2020, 4:01 PM

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Otherwise just god keepsakes

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rest are kinda irrelevant

prisma raven Oct 6, 2020, 4:01 PM

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when i allowed myself to use whatever i wanted i was a fan of the chaos egg

plain violet Oct 6, 2020, 4:01 PM

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how is acorn busted for final boss?

lone lava Oct 6, 2020, 4:01 PM

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Coinpurse is aight

turbid needle Oct 6, 2020, 4:02 PM

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the bracelet

plain violet Oct 6, 2020, 4:02 PM

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does it like reset per phase?

reef galleon Oct 6, 2020, 4:02 PM

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i-frames on dash or upon call activation or whatever have nothing at all to do with Dodge. Entirely different mechanic.
Well they kinda do have smth to do with it since they activate on dodge, no?

lone lava Oct 6, 2020, 4:02 PM

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No but tanking 5 hits is great for letting you murder him very fast

prisma raven Oct 6, 2020, 4:02 PM

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honesty acorn doesn't seem very impressive to me

unkempt pagoda Oct 6, 2020, 4:02 PM

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dodge works when you would've gotten hit anyways

plain violet Oct 6, 2020, 4:02 PM

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True, I still love basically getting 5 free poms of power at the end though

turbid needle Oct 6, 2020, 4:02 PM

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acorn< spear

cunning urchin Oct 6, 2020, 4:02 PM

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High heat, you don't even break even with Side Hustle by the time you reach the final shop . . . where you get to buy a boon from Lord Hermes for 900 that hopefully actually does something. Unnecessary clutter to his pool. Waste of a slot that could go to something that actually has an effect.

plain violet Oct 6, 2020, 4:03 PM

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that's a lotta extra power imo

prisma raven Oct 6, 2020, 4:03 PM

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patroclus's keepsake sounds like it'd be better in a boss fight

lone lava Oct 6, 2020, 4:03 PM

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Nah spear is great for styx rooms

prisma raven Oct 6, 2020, 4:03 PM

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styx rooms too

lone lava Oct 6, 2020, 4:03 PM

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acorn is best for final boss

plain violet Oct 6, 2020, 4:03 PM

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I usually take purse for first floor to let gold stack early

prisma raven Oct 6, 2020, 4:03 PM

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i always take the tooth into final boss

lone lava Oct 6, 2020, 4:03 PM

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murf if you know what your build is meant to be start god boon x2

turbid needle Oct 6, 2020, 4:03 PM

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spear is also best for final boss?
like his laser or triple wide hits

lone lava Oct 6, 2020, 4:03 PM

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and you can coinpurse elysium

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but when I was new and didn't know builds I started coinpurse too

reef galleon Oct 6, 2020, 4:04 PM

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@unkempt pagoda Ah so the act of dodging and dodge are different here, I get it

plain violet Oct 6, 2020, 4:04 PM

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that would make my runs a lot more consistent for sure

prisma raven Oct 6, 2020, 4:04 PM

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what does x2 mean? is that an endgame mechanic i don't know of yet

plain violet Oct 6, 2020, 4:04 PM

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had some not so great builds last run or 2 lol

prisma raven Oct 6, 2020, 4:04 PM

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if it is don't tell me where it comes from

cunning urchin Oct 6, 2020, 4:04 PM

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Acorn easily beats any other tank keepsake in boss fights. That's why every high-heat run features Acorn in the final biome—and typically in Elysium, too.

lone lava Oct 6, 2020, 4:04 PM

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god boon tartarus and good boon asphodel is what I mean by x2

prisma raven Oct 6, 2020, 4:04 PM

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ah

lone lava Oct 6, 2020, 4:04 PM

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Speedruns take acorn too lol

unkempt pagoda Oct 6, 2020, 4:04 PM

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i just go god/god/acorn/spearpoint, but the meta is god/god/acorn/acorn

lone lava Oct 6, 2020, 4:05 PM

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onyx is that for high heat?

proven osprey Oct 6, 2020, 4:05 PM

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hey pals, how do you play exahryp^h 4th ?

prisma raven Oct 6, 2020, 4:05 PM

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if you hold onto a god boon into the next biome does the "first boon you find" perk reset

reef galleon Oct 6, 2020, 4:05 PM

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Painfully

unkempt pagoda Oct 6, 2020, 4:05 PM

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i replace one of the gods with purse if i don't exactly need any god

lone lava Oct 6, 2020, 4:05 PM

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no @prisma raven

prisma raven Oct 6, 2020, 4:05 PM

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dang. so you just keep it to increase rarity then

turbid needle Oct 6, 2020, 4:05 PM

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isnt elysium and Hades hit quite alot? so the stack from acorn is gonna reduced easily anyway

plain violet Oct 6, 2020, 4:05 PM

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surprised no love for pom of power

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it's so good for styx

prisma raven Oct 6, 2020, 4:05 PM

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are you talking about pom blossom

lone lava Oct 6, 2020, 4:05 PM

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You never keep a god keepsake for 2 floors

unkempt pagoda Oct 6, 2020, 4:05 PM

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onyx is that for high heat?
if you consider a base 20 heat high lol

plain violet Oct 6, 2020, 4:05 PM

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yeah pom blossom

prisma raven Oct 6, 2020, 4:06 PM

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i've been grinding that to bring it down to the same level as my other keepsakes and it's not bad

plain violet Oct 6, 2020, 4:06 PM

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5 upgrades is so good

unkempt pagoda Oct 6, 2020, 4:06 PM

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it's just what i do, god x2 acorn x2 seems to be the standard for players around here

lone lava Oct 6, 2020, 4:06 PM

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why acorn elysium though

proven osprey Oct 6, 2020, 4:06 PM

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nope, than all the way boi

unkempt pagoda Oct 6, 2020, 4:06 PM

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because you can reliably beat the heroes within 5 hits

turbid needle Oct 6, 2020, 4:06 PM

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Pom blossom, the one from Persephone?
i havent treid that for awhile now

prisma raven Oct 6, 2020, 4:06 PM

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i used thanatos's keepsake for my first successful exagryph run

plain violet Oct 6, 2020, 4:06 PM

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I do need to max the than thing still, that's on the list too

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since it has an acheivement

prisma raven Oct 6, 2020, 4:07 PM

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i usually run butterfly for exagryph and plume for malphon

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and it works out pretty well

cunning urchin Oct 6, 2020, 4:07 PM

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40+ meta is god > god > acorn > acorn. Rarely god > coin purse > acorn > acorn, yes. Without EM3, you don't need acorn in Elysium tbh.

lone lava Oct 6, 2020, 4:07 PM

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I thought you just run coinpurse/hourglass on elysium since well will heal anyway

elfin pulsar Oct 6, 2020, 4:07 PM

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do the chaos boons that increase your attack/special damage increase your doom damage as well?

lone lava Oct 6, 2020, 4:07 PM

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Hmm I haven't done EM3 too much

prisma raven Oct 6, 2020, 4:07 PM

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no probably not

lone lava Oct 6, 2020, 4:07 PM

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I guess with that acorn elysium would be worth

turbid needle Oct 6, 2020, 4:07 PM

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doom is a different kind of damage

prisma raven Oct 6, 2020, 4:08 PM

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the damage should only be what your boon specifies in its description

unkempt pagoda Oct 6, 2020, 4:08 PM

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acorn is more effective hp than tooth

elfin pulsar Oct 6, 2020, 4:08 PM

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hmm, does that make doom not very good?

cunning urchin Oct 6, 2020, 4:08 PM

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High heat meta has LC4 by default, so there's no healing except from SD.

plain violet Oct 6, 2020, 4:08 PM

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the bull boss is so annoying imo

prisma raven Oct 6, 2020, 4:08 PM

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it's pretty good for crowd control

plain violet Oct 6, 2020, 4:08 PM

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especially with em3

prisma raven Oct 6, 2020, 4:08 PM

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if you put it on aegis you can wipe out crowds of enemies if you have it on special

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or varatha spin attack

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but i prefer blade rift

lone lava Oct 6, 2020, 4:08 PM

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I actually just finishing up maxing keepsakes atm anyway unless going for a fast run

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I might try high heat after I finish the bounties and then 32 all weps

prisma raven Oct 6, 2020, 4:09 PM

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i'll only get doom if i'm desparate for a second status curse to inflict punish

plain violet Oct 6, 2020, 4:09 PM

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yeah I'm gonna max all mine too before I try that stuff, just 2 left and then I got some challenges keepsake related wise to also do

cunning urchin Oct 6, 2020, 4:09 PM

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Yeah, Acorn just gives the most effective HP. We tested all the tank keepsakes a lot and did quite a bit of math sometime early this year to figure out the best tank keepsakes.

elfin pulsar Oct 6, 2020, 4:09 PM

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mmk cool

lone lava Oct 6, 2020, 4:09 PM

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But high heat seems so rough

elfin pulsar Oct 6, 2020, 4:09 PM

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also if I have doom on two different attacks and hit them both, does the highest damage one do the damage?

lone lava Oct 6, 2020, 4:10 PM

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I think acorn is extra great for speedruns because of high confidence

elfin pulsar Oct 6, 2020, 4:10 PM

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im surprised that skull earing isnt the meta, it seems like it would be so much faster

turbid needle Oct 6, 2020, 4:10 PM

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though there should be an option in chaos where it will boost a small-decent amount but for all type of damage like Artemis' pressure point

prisma raven Oct 6, 2020, 4:10 PM

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for hera aspect should i get aphrodite special for point-blank attacks or cast for long ranged triple cast attacks?

lone lava Oct 6, 2020, 4:11 PM

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I usually leave my special empty on hera aspect

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Unless there's like nothing better to pick

unkempt pagoda Oct 6, 2020, 4:11 PM

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the latter, austin

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apparently crush shot's interaction with hera was fixed in 1.0

prisma raven Oct 6, 2020, 4:12 PM

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fixed? how was it broken

unkempt pagoda Oct 6, 2020, 4:12 PM

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it was just kinda wonky sometimes

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usually it hit but sometimes it didn't, if you shot a shield enemy from behind it would cast in front of the enemy, causing it to be blocked

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sometimes it didn't lodge like it was supposed it

turbid needle Oct 6, 2020, 4:14 PM

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after a while, i actually kinda prefer stygian soul and get 1 more from chaos now
im just too tired to collect the bloodstone individually

prisma raven Oct 6, 2020, 4:14 PM

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ok i crunched the numbers and cast is the clear better choice so yeah i'll go with that

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agreed jason

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i only run infernal soul with poseidon and hera

solid hazel Oct 6, 2020, 4:25 PM

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What do you guys think of chaos aspect now? I played some in blood pact, but now it just feels really nerfed to the ground

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Do you still think it's strong? What boons do you use with it?

cunning urchin Oct 6, 2020, 4:26 PM

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I mean, it's probably no worse than mid tier.

turbid needle Oct 6, 2020, 4:27 PM

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i still kinda like chaos shield
didnt even know i was playing the nerfed version

elfin pulsar Oct 6, 2020, 4:27 PM

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is zeus aspect the new hotness?

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thats always been my favorite

solid hazel Oct 6, 2020, 4:28 PM

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I like Zeus and beowulf. Can't seem to make chaos work

cunning urchin Oct 6, 2020, 4:28 PM

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Shield 4 is the #1 pick for speedruns and high heat at the moment.

elfin pulsar Oct 6, 2020, 4:29 PM

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woah didnt expect that, thats sweet

turbid needle Oct 6, 2020, 4:29 PM

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i dont like shield 4 much
i just dont like cast-into-atttacks weapons

elfin pulsar Oct 6, 2020, 4:29 PM

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are speedruns posted on this discord?

cunning urchin Oct 6, 2020, 4:29 PM

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But they can all clear regular heats for bounties just fine.

dark quail Oct 6, 2020, 4:29 PM

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What is your favourite cast with achilles?

elfin pulsar Oct 6, 2020, 4:29 PM

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i'd definitely like to watch some beowulf speedruns

cunning urchin Oct 6, 2020, 4:30 PM

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Not really posted here, no. https://www.speedrun.com/hades

speedrun.com

Speedrunning leaderboards, resources, forums, and more!

elfin pulsar Oct 6, 2020, 4:30 PM

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cool thanks

solid hazel Oct 6, 2020, 4:30 PM

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Ive heard Electric shot is speed runner choice because it clear rooms easily @dark quail

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But I'm no speed runner so all hearsay

gilded nymph Oct 6, 2020, 4:31 PM

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is there any boon that's good on hera but dio?

elfin pulsar Oct 6, 2020, 4:31 PM

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are speedruns usually heat 0?

turbid needle Oct 6, 2020, 4:31 PM

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how does electric cast interact with Beowulf
is the shockwave make chain lightning?

solid hazel Oct 6, 2020, 4:32 PM

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No there are several pacts that are good for speedruns

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Em2 makes hydra fight faster and fo1 makes 45 second survival rooms disappear

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Off the top of my head

turbid needle Oct 6, 2020, 4:33 PM

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fo?

solid hazel Oct 6, 2020, 4:33 PM

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Forced overtime?

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@gilded nymph i think Dio is strongest on hera, but I find Athena, Poisedon, and recently aphro work fine too if you want some variety

turbid needle Oct 6, 2020, 4:36 PM

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i dont see how athena work on hera since it will only cause like a small explsion or something and not in a wide range nor is the damage that high

solid hazel Oct 6, 2020, 4:37 PM

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The explosion isn't that big, but the damage is still okay. Dio is 100, aphro 90 and Athena 85. Poisedon 60

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I'm not saying it's broken. I'm saying it's fine

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As opposed to ares which just doesn't really work at all

turbid needle Oct 6, 2020, 4:38 PM

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i tried Ares rift on Hera but didnt manage to scale rift as high as other can

solid hazel Oct 6, 2020, 4:38 PM

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Yeah I didn't think it worked... I've never tried Demeter but unless the cast changes significantly I'm gonna assume it's bad

glass ether Oct 6, 2020, 4:39 PM

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Hera's bow with demeter cast seems garbage??

fast fulcrum Oct 6, 2020, 4:39 PM

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is everyone else pursuing Aphro cast with Hera

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that's been my go-to

turbid needle Oct 6, 2020, 4:39 PM

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Demeter and Ares cast just require so much building for it own unlike something like Aphro or Dio cast

solid hazel Oct 6, 2020, 4:40 PM

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Until like 3 days ago aphro cast inexplicably just missed about 50% of the time on hera

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But since the patch I think it's quite good, but Dio probably better

smoky atlas Oct 6, 2020, 4:40 PM

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i like aphro on hera

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think i prefer casts that lodge into the target over dio for hera

turbid needle Oct 6, 2020, 4:41 PM

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is Dio+demeter duo cast good?
feel like its missing something

smoky atlas Oct 6, 2020, 4:41 PM

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especially if you get fast dislodge boon and exit wound

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its better than waiting for dio fog to dissipate

solid hazel Oct 6, 2020, 4:42 PM

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Oh I often run stygian soul with Dio because I don't like picking up casts on such a fully ranged build

turbid needle Oct 6, 2020, 4:42 PM

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2 stygian cast with Dio cast is something real fun

smoky atlas Oct 6, 2020, 4:42 PM

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dio+demeter/zeus is a good cast

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can have lightning+chill fog at the same time too

empty veldt Oct 6, 2020, 4:43 PM

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I think ice wine was used for speedrunning

solid hazel Oct 6, 2020, 4:43 PM

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Yeah that the other thing aphro doesn't get further synergy except blown kiss... Dio gets both Zeus and Demeter duo

smoky atlas Oct 6, 2020, 4:43 PM

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yea if im running stygian cast then dio cast would be my choice

turbid needle Oct 6, 2020, 4:43 PM

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is the dio+demeter cast still cause explosion on impact? it lose lob mechanic so kinda throw me off after picking the duo boon

solid hazel Oct 6, 2020, 4:44 PM

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And possibly blackout drunk and the damage reduction, although I'm not sure not sure with hera bow you should actually be standing in the fog

empty veldt Oct 6, 2020, 4:44 PM

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Well if u do take Aphro, it makes Smoldering Air also available with Zeus

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And getting Smoldering Air is almost always good

stoic thicket Oct 6, 2020, 4:44 PM

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is Dio+demeter duo cast good?
feel like its missing something
@turbid needle It's fantastic in particular because it loses the lob mechanic. That one is always a bit awkward to use, the extra damage from the cold explosion is just the icing on the cake.

smoky atlas Oct 6, 2020, 4:44 PM

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icy what u did there

empty veldt Oct 6, 2020, 4:45 PM

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I use ice wine with beowulf shield quite a bit

solid hazel Oct 6, 2020, 4:45 PM

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It's good... But like on hera bow I find many of the aids less useful... Both Zeus and Dio require being closeish to enemy... Which is not my preferred distance

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Artemis and Athena aid are probably best for my preferred hera bow playstyle

turbid needle Oct 6, 2020, 4:45 PM

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i like how festive fog is not just strong on it own but there's also alot of thing to boost it even more unlike other casts

smoky atlas Oct 6, 2020, 4:46 PM

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flood shot is like that too

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has duo with zeus, demeter, arter

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though beowulf makes other casts like aphro also more useful than usual

glass ether Oct 6, 2020, 4:48 PM

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I have hera's with charged volley and Aphro special. Looks like it's gonna be ridiculous, which god I can add to make it even better?

solid hazel Oct 6, 2020, 4:48 PM

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More Zeus haha

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Jolt and his legendary are first thing that come to mind

turbid needle Oct 6, 2020, 4:49 PM

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petition to add hammer upgrade to the infernal arm page in codex?

solid hazel Oct 6, 2020, 4:49 PM

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Wait charged volley is Zeus right?

primal hazel Oct 6, 2020, 4:49 PM

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How's merciful end with shield?

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Or exagryph

glass ether Oct 6, 2020, 4:50 PM

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Wait charged volley is Zeus right?
@solid hazel it's a hammer upgrade

solid hazel Oct 6, 2020, 4:51 PM

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Oh nvm then... Umm it's odd because I don't usually think of hera as special focused....

hybrid wave Oct 6, 2020, 4:51 PM

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quick q about the boss ||charon|| - does it get stronger ||as you go through the zones||?

glass ether Oct 6, 2020, 4:52 PM

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Oh nvm then... Umm it's odd because I don't usually think of hera as special focused....
@solid hazel exactly, but I took it, and point blank full charged it does 700 while I'm still in tartarus

stoic thicket Oct 6, 2020, 4:52 PM

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quick q about the boss ||charon|| - does it get stronger ||as you go through the zones||?
@hybrid wave Kinda the opposite actually. He doesn't get stronger, but you usually do.

wheat cedar Oct 6, 2020, 4:53 PM

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Is Chaos gate always the best option to go for? Seems like the boons Chaos provides are just so strong.

elfin pulsar Oct 6, 2020, 4:53 PM

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does anybody know why speedrunners dont take the mirror upgrades that give higher rarity chances? is it just for the chance to high-roll?

turbid needle Oct 6, 2020, 4:53 PM

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when can i get ||charon|| boss fight, do i have to have full heart with him first?

primal hazel Oct 6, 2020, 4:53 PM

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No

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It's random

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You'll see a money sack that says borrow

drifting vale Oct 6, 2020, 4:54 PM

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Not always the best sometimes youre looking for a boon @wheat cedar

robust geyser Oct 6, 2020, 4:54 PM

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It's random, sometimes you will see an interactable item that starts it.

turbid needle Oct 6, 2020, 4:54 PM

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cause i once see a room that look like it can spawn the thing but it didnt

wheat cedar Oct 6, 2020, 4:54 PM

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when can i get ||charon|| boss fight, do i have to have full heart with him first?
@turbid needle AFAIK, it's random and it doesn't spawn the boss if you go into item shop before boss fight.

primal hazel Oct 6, 2020, 4:54 PM

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So are spear or shield viable for merciful end build?

turbid needle Oct 6, 2020, 4:55 PM

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isnt deflect dash for every build anyway?

drifting vale Oct 6, 2020, 4:55 PM

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I would think so

wheat cedar Oct 6, 2020, 4:55 PM

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Not always the best sometimes youre looking for a boon @wheat cedar
@drifting vale Thanks for the swift answer! I guess I'm at low heat and boons don't really make a difference at the moment.

empty veldt Oct 6, 2020, 4:55 PM

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@primal hazel zeus shield ME is really good. Doom on special, athena on attack and dash

drifting vale Oct 6, 2020, 4:55 PM

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Np

solid hazel Oct 6, 2020, 4:55 PM

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Shield is thr first thing that comes to mind when I think merciful end build... So yes haha

primal hazel Oct 6, 2020, 4:55 PM

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Nice
Is it also worth at zeus lvl 1?

drifting vale Oct 6, 2020, 4:56 PM

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Sure

primal hazel Oct 6, 2020, 4:56 PM

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Nice

onyx parcel Oct 6, 2020, 4:56 PM

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Zeus at lvl 1 is bad

drifting vale Oct 6, 2020, 4:56 PM

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Lvl 1 zeus works good enough

onyx parcel Oct 6, 2020, 4:56 PM

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Imo

empty veldt Oct 6, 2020, 4:56 PM

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Yeah, since its basically because of the continuous damage from the spin would cause continuous doom proce which u can trigger with ur dash

solid hazel Oct 6, 2020, 4:56 PM

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Maybe... Im partial to Zeus special on Zeus shield... It doesn't suffer from thunderbolt Cool down cuz it doesn't hit quite rapidly enough in thr same apot

drifting vale Oct 6, 2020, 4:56 PM

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It'll proc ME and thats really what is being asked

onyx parcel Oct 6, 2020, 4:56 PM

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I mean it works if u get the build going. But that point the damage wouldn’t matter

fast fulcrum Oct 6, 2020, 4:57 PM

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question: does rupture stack? like if i hit with 8 knockback effects at once

onyx parcel Oct 6, 2020, 4:57 PM

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Chaos shield with ME tho

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Spicy

empty veldt Oct 6, 2020, 4:57 PM

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Its nerfed tho

drifting vale Oct 6, 2020, 4:57 PM

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Indeed spicy

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Still strong though

onyx parcel Oct 6, 2020, 4:57 PM

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Its nerfed tho
@empty veldt how

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When

solid hazel Oct 6, 2020, 4:57 PM

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Lol wait since we came back to my original question.. How do you guys build chaos shield?

primal hazel Oct 6, 2020, 4:58 PM

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Chaos still poggers

onyx parcel Oct 6, 2020, 4:58 PM

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Does it still proc multiple ME with one shotgun special?

primal hazel Oct 6, 2020, 4:58 PM

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I like poseidon or dio with chaos

onyx parcel Oct 6, 2020, 4:58 PM

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Lol wait since we came back to my original question.. How do you guys build chaos shield?
@solid hazel ME is nice

gilded nymph Oct 6, 2020, 4:58 PM

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are there any hammers for hera?

onyx parcel Oct 6, 2020, 4:58 PM

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Zeus on special also nice

primal hazel Oct 6, 2020, 4:58 PM

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If it does proc multiple I take that obvs

onyx parcel Oct 6, 2020, 4:58 PM

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Or get aphro for the big damage