Yeah, 2 full styx tunnels will max it
#h1-builds-and-combat
faint mulch
jaunty locust
it's per encounter, not per chamber, right?
random light
Yeah per encounter
which is why Styx can help you a bunch even if you get it super late game
jaunty locust
chamber isn't encounter
random light
each of those mini fights in styx counts as an encounter
faint mulch
encounters are chambers
random light
for Demeter rarity up
hushed sun
Another thing is that there's diminishing returns for levels - if you just have a few boons and it's likely that Eurydice will hit one of your main ones, I'd say go for rarity
Went for rarity and demeter gave me rare crop next chamber once
faint mulch
but not all chambers are encounters
random light
as well as things like Pom Blossom
hushed sun
:feltbadman:
vital roost
It just seems like for straight damage increase rarity isn't much better than a levels. But for the none damage boons, getting more time or another cast can be pretty big
fierce thicket
jaunty locust
because you don't burn through the uber cyclops jerky
hushed sun
although, if you increase rarity, the poms will be more effective, not to mention if it's already leveled up it'll be hugely upgraded
random light
It just seems like for straight damage increase rarity isn't much better than a levels. But for the none damage boons, getting more time or another cast can be pretty big
@vital roost Some damage boons do scale really well with rarity. Stuff like Artemis Special, for example, gets a pretty big boost
and yeah, better rarity boons scale with Poms better too
faint mulch
^ What these people are saying
random light
idk some nerd stuff probs
hushed sun
secret words that will unlock the secret words
jaunty locust
ok we do have to get to the bottom of the chamber/encounter dichotomy tho
faint mulch
chambers with foes are encounters
hushed sun
chambers are chambers; anything that ++'s the conter top-right corner
random light
ok we do have to get to the bottom of the chamber/encounter dichotomy tho
@jaunty locust I can tell you from experience, each Styx mini fight counts towards Rare Crop and Pom Blossom
hushed sun
encounters; chambers with foes
jaunty locust
ok ok cool
vital roost
I was just wondering if there was any general rule for which enhancement to take
hushed sun
eh
random light
if you have a few boons, take rarity upgrade
hushed sun
I feel like looking for general rules don't fare well in hades
random light
because you're likely to upgrade something that's vital for your build
random light
but yeah like catlover says, Hades doesn't have set rules or guidelines, we don't even have tier lists really
faint mulch
Yup
jaunty locust
oh the tunnels don't count for pierced butterfly
random light
nope
faint mulch
Nope
random light
that would be BUSTED
jaunty locust
right, so they aren't encounters
random light
Plume and Butterfly only proc on the last
jaunty locust
individually
faint mulch
They're a special case
random light
they do proc Pom Blossom and Rare Crop, and they do tick down stuff like Hydralite or Jerky
but not the stack keepsakes no
man if I could max out Butterfly in Styx
god i wish
I think my record was just above 30% on Butterfly?
jaunty locust
yeah, but idk if the bonus from pom blossom is better than like, the tooth or the acorn or the spear
faint mulch
Depends
random light
definitely 30% minimum
faint mulch
You gotta be realistic about whether you can escape w/out the defensive keepsakes
jaunty locust
right, it's a passup if you think the bonuses from levelling up a bunch of boons is more or less than the longevity, right?
faint mulch
If you're confident you don't need, no need to take them
jaunty locust
like if you do ENOUGH damage, you don't have to dodge
faint mulch
Yeah, just have to gauge cost-benefit of options
I still think spearpoint is underrated for how good it is in styx
if that's the weakest part of a build
jaunty locust
right, because it stops you from taking the poison hit to start with, lets you dodge the laser damage stream, or the rat swarm
and the big boy often hits for huge single hits, so negating that is good
faint mulch
Well it's not amazing against boss bc it triggers from damage, so you still get hit by those most of the time
faint mulch
Ya
random light
Sometimes i take Hypnos money in Styx
Just to snag the diamond lol
Cuz I’m exactly 100 off
gilded nymph
if you can't get arte special on arthur, what else can you go?
or should I just do rose in tart and then swap to arrow and get arte
unkempt pagoda
i prefer artemis on attack with either aphro or athena on special
random light
Athena on special sounds better, BIG deflect
faint mulch
Do we know whether trials can give duos now?
faint mulch
I don't think special is very important tbh, the most value of having something on special would probably be to proc privileged status
Ah, ty
solid portal
Ok, I'm reaching the embarrasing number of attempts number lol. Any recommends on a solid shield build to help finally vanquish that final bos?
random light
Wait I’m pretty sure I’ve gotten Duo boons off of Trials
Maybe not for the two specific deities that the trial was for
But I’ve gotten at least one Duo once
I’m like 90% sure
hushed sun
Ok, I'm reaching the embarrasing number of attempts number lol. Any recommends on a solid shield build to help finally vanquish that final bos?
I went ham on Athena once with athena attack and flourish on chaos shield, don't recommend it tho
hushed sun
it works, but it's a bit boring
hushed sun
if you're having trouble with low dps take arty or aphro call I guess
solid portal
yep low deeps seems to be an issue
hushed sun
yeah, you'd be better off with listening to other people here
all I ever do with shield is slather athena on everything and turn virtually invincible
solid portal
is there a better option than the shield, I'm not married to it
hushed sun
bow
solid portal
I like virtually invincible lol
faint mulch
mmmmm
solid portal
bow is fun
faint mulch
athena call
solid portal
yea that's solid
hushed sun
have you maxed out zag bow
solid portal
no
hushed sun
I mean even if you didn't
turbid halo
Oh are we talking shield?
hushed sun
charged volley and artemis special on zag bow was real fun
or any special boon that can nuke damage basically
turbid halo
I like shield a lot, it's probably my best weapon
random light
is there a better option than the shield, I'm not married to it
@solid portal Demeter Fists :^)
solid portal
yea I almost won with fists
random light
just take Athena Dash if you're worried about getting hit
solid cairn
nemesis
solid portal
so close
solid cairn
random light
Nemesis and Demeter Fists are my fave weapons
solid cairn
aye
faint mulch
lol just take athena dash period
solid portal
had athena dash and whatever makes you punch super far
random light
lol just take athena dash period
@faint mulch f a c t s
solid portal
athena dash is a staple
turbid halo
Oh, if you're trying to clear for the first time, you probably don't have access to higher levels of aspects, right?
random light
although sometimes Artemis dash is really useful
faint mulch
ye
solid portal
I hve blood saved up\
faint mulch
or splash dash memes
turbid halo
My go-to shield strategy is Chaos Shield with Aphrodite special
random light
you could probs snag blood from the Salesman trades
solid cairn
for nemesis hunter dash is better for damage but even then, with how close you're being and the lack of i frames on dash strike it's a good idea
solid cairn
just try speedrunning you'll stack up a bunch of blood
solid cairn
I beat the game in less than 11 minutes just now lol
random light
Nemesis and Demeter scale super well with Blood
solid portal
ok
turbid halo
Shotgunned shields do a ton of damage, your best hammer is Explosive return but it's fine even if you don't find it because that damage is surprisingly good
faint mulch
if you have the blood for chiron
random light
unless you like the weapon
faint mulch
that is absolutely my recommendation
turbid halo
Aphrodite also has a lot of strong duos
random light
Chiron also scales well with Blood
hushed sun
ooh
hushed sun
I have a foil Zag card
faint mulch
but yeah it's pretty important to max
solid cairn
if you want a very diverse weapon, get poseidon
random light
Max level Chiron is 
solid portal
after I get all my keepsakes (which i have) what is the best next thing to spend nectar on ? characters for stroy and companions or Gods?
solid cairn
it opens up a bunch of cast builds
random light
Poseidon is a LOT of fun
after I get all my keepsakes (which i have) what is the best next thing to spend nectar on ? characters for stroy and companions or Gods?
@solid portal give all your nectar to Artemis
hushed sun
Poseidon aspect is like a thing of its own
solid cairn
I suck at cast builds though
random light
memes aside, I would say use it for story progression
faint mulch
on the topic of poseiden sword, is it a lot more difficult with double FO?
hushed sun
also, crystal meme and achilles spear
random light
Does giving nectar to Olympians increase rarity upgrade chance?
hushed sun
afaik no
random light
I don't think gifting nectar to the gods does anything in terms of gameplay
brave pelican
its just story points afaik
random light
so use your nectar for story
hushed sun
seeing that artemis frequently ghosts me even after having forged a bond i'd say no
random light
or to gift your favorite deity as thanks for letting you abuse their gifts to beat up the bossess
seeing that artemis frequently ghosts me even after having forged a bond i'd say no
@hushed sun can't relate Arty pops up on all my runs like three times minimum thank god
Now you know who I wish would show up more often?
Hermes
give me those cast stone buffs plz
hushed sun
can't relate Arty pops up on all my runs like three times minimum thank god
@random light you sure that's not your keepsake speaking
random light
I only take Artemis trinket for the first region
which.....
i suppose would do it.....
faint mulch
I swear every time I try a poseiden sword run, hermes cast speed just vanishes
random light
but even after swapping out I get her a bunch
hushed sun
← won't do it
random light
Like I'll have swapped out Artemis after Tartarus and then run into her like 5 times in Elysium and Styx
hushed sun
what
random light
5 times combined
hushed sun
i just have rotten rng don't i
random light
not 5 times in Elysium and 5 times in Styx lol
you have committed some sin against the Church of BIG NUMBER
hushed sun
true, I've been doing fresh runs
random light
repent and Artemis will shower you with Epic level Pressure Points and Support Fire
hushed sun
smol number
random light
;-; we hate to see it
hazy slate
i mean, demeter is pretty good once you like, put a lot of blood into it
talos doesnt need a lot of blood to be good
solid portal
when you do a build in the wild, do you look to max out 1 thing like the special or spread the love?
hazy slate
i think for fists, the best attack boon is either zeus or artemis
faint mulch
Ehhh at low heat sure but I'd def say Dem is best out of maxed aspects
hazy slate
zeus if your planning on using priveleged
void zenith
Fists can work with pretty much any god tbh
placid topaz
pulling a giant rat away from its pool of poison is very nice for such a melee weapon/build
faint mulch
attack can be anything lol
hazy slate
yeah it really is
void zenith
Even doom builds work pretty well
hazy slate
i should use talos aspect more
forest locust
Whats the build for Chaoes SHield?
faint mulch
doom fists w/ merciful end is still one of the the strongest things in the game
hazy slate
a merciful end build is pretty good if ive heard of it
hazy slate
athena ares duo
solid cairn
Ares and Athena duo
hazy slate
deflect effects cause doom damage to immediately happen
hushed sun
This might be it
unkempt zephyr
@forest locust check private message. its easy way.
hushed sun
I got legend athena on tartarus what are the chances
solid portal
so if you just take athena and ares builds they duo up at some point?
during the run it offers you a duo b/c you selected them is my guess
faint mulch
if you have the right prereqs
faint mulch
they nerfed ME so now you have to take ares attack athena special for ME to be offered
on fists
faint mulch
and then get athena dash and then just hold down attack and dash thru people lol
solid cairn
It used to be the WR strat
solid cairn
But then duunko got it with eris
solid cairn
What build
hushed sun
Divine protection, ahtena dash, and brilliant riposte's all i have, it's more like a joke
but dang if it works it works
and it works
solid portal
off to a good start Athena dash and epic zeus attack
open to feedback on what to prioritize from here? Daedalus? more boons, still a newb
random light
which weapon you using?
solid portal
fists no aspect
just got an athena / zues room, so when i beat that I get both
or the shop lol
brave pelican
ud like jolted thing from zeus
placid topaz
yeah jolted is nice on zeus fists (or zeus anything, really?)
brave pelican
and after that just go whatever u like thats a basic start for anything
placid topaz
dash -> punch punch punch -> dash away lol
solid cairn
Jolted is just a free debuff and not much more
brave pelican
its free damage
placid topaz
free damage is always good 🙂
you cant be punching 100% of the time
there might be better, but jolted is good fun
solid cairn
Splitting bolt tho
brave pelican
i dont like the base aspect i like the 12hit combo a lot better
zeus or smth on the combo is pure happyness
unkempt zephyr
Jolted is just a free debuff and not much more
@solid cairn jolted have insane scaling. and if you have alote of attack. its deal very huge damage. and jolted stop enemy atack. its good hiden defence.
brave pelican
also the hammer that makes ur dash special explodes transforms u into an atom bomb its hilarious
solid cairn
Explosive upper?
solid cairn
With Demeter aspect
placid topaz
oh i havent come across that yet - i clearly need more time with the fists 🙂
brave pelican
even the additional ones from the aspect
fists are my fav weapon with the spear
just next is sword (arthur) and shield
dont really like bow and gun
blissful kettle
is aspect of guan yu on the spear.... is it a good idea?
-70% life and healing scares me
brave pelican
you play with special and heavy atk almost exclusively with that
blissful kettle
is it worth it?
brave pelican
its fun
blissful kettle
you can't undo if you choose it tho right?
brave pelican
play with thanatos butterfly
brave pelican
its not a permanent buff
solid cairn
I don’t like butterfly
brave pelican
most of the time its not, but with gyan yu its very good
because you already play safe
and ur trying to os things with the special
(take the mirror talent for dmg on undamaged ennemies, and aim for the charged special hammer)
(or the explosive special)
brave pelican
u'll have a lot more of those if you just keep spamming runs
solid cairn
It only costs 3 blood per
brave pelican
did you break out yet ?
solid cairn
So it actually costs less than the third aspect
blissful kettle
yes finished main story but just today, took me nearly 50 runs
i'm working towards the epilogue now
i'll give guan yu a try then
brave pelican
yea thats about right
with the heat
always try to break out with different weapons, u'll get 2 bloods per win
also remember that charon in the 4th zone can have a blood for 1k2 obol
so thats a max for 3 blood per run
hushed sun
does duo boon spawn in a fresh run
hushed sun
no, in terms of fresh run
brave pelican
i think they can
not sure tho
first i got was after reaching the surface
i think u need to unlock every god first
hushed sun
Yeah I don't think there should be anything preventing them spawning but I haven't ever got a duo in a fresh run
brave pelican
well
your chances of having rare boons are low at first
might just be a % question
gilded nymph
for guan yu does this sound fine?
pos special + aphro attack for special build
and for an attack build like arte attack + something
brave pelican
you dont want to focus on attack with guan yu
its more of a special oriented weapon
pos ?
solid portal
Ok so far in the run I've only taken Zeus, Athena, and Zeus and Athena, hammer. I have jolted I have lighting attack and athena dash. Now I have a choice between shop or Artemis. Should I always go after boons or only specific gods liek Zeus and Athena.
basically is it ever wrong to choice a god over shop early game?
brave pelican
aspect of hades is for attack builds and guan is for special
gilded nymph
so poseidon special and aphro attack sounds fine?
brave pelican
i like zeus special with some bounce if i can get the hammer usually
gilded nymph
brave pelican
other than that i take any special booster with good dmg
like aphrodite is the one i often take
best dmg% iirc
brave pelican
and with the boon that make weak enemies takemore its good
yea rupture is gross but weak on bosses
made a dream poseidon build once, very lucky
brave pelican
the wave when u wallhit, the legendary boon, rupture, poseidon special and attack and dash
just needed to bounce one rat
and everything died up there
very fun
smoky atlas
btw today i learned the hard way that redacted's urns count as "traps"
for heightened security
hazy slate
Oh no
smoky atlas
1 shotted me
hazy slate
Lmao
brave pelican
haha
the urns are quite a pain depending on the weapon
with fists i just hate them
i often take the bonus range on attacks just for that
sacred owl
whats a good build for the railgun?
brave pelican
the rare times i play it i go for the shotgun hammer
makes the attacks veeery good
low range but strikes strong and in aoe
quartz remnant
Just unlocked Sword 4. What boons mesh well with it?
unkempt pagoda
whats a good build for the railgun?
zeus attack
Just unlocked Sword 4. What boons mesh well with it?
i always go artemis attack with either aphro or athena special, hammers either being shadow slash or double edge
quartz remnant
Hm, thank you!
unkempt zephyr
Just unlocked Sword 4. What boons mesh well with it?
@quartz remnant athena attack + artemis special and + aphro dash. for firtst runs. and duos from this. after you understand what you need.
hushed sun
YES
brave pelican
Just unlocked Sword 4. What boons mesh well with it?
@quartz remnant anything that isnt attack centric works well with it, athena with the expose boon is great, and the hammers that do more dmg to armor and from behind make it busted
rest is pretty much ffa
you can do more than 1k dmg with a single strike in the back of redacted
with the 3rd attack in the combo
unkempt pagoda
some say one of the best
solid portal
nice
sacred owl
its good
quartz remnant
I just got Athena Special and Expose. I'll see how far I can get with this. Trying for the first time on Heat 10. :x
hushed sun
I just got Athena Special and Expose. I'll see how far I can get with this. Trying for the first time on Heat 10. :x
trust me
you can go FAR
brave pelican
expose is much stronger than it appears if you have the mirror thing as well
i think they are multiplicative
looks like it given how good it is anyways
quartz remnant
dang it, aphro boon at charon but not enough obols. but he has a bag... boss fite
solid portal
I just lucked my way into sea storm considering I have no idea what the prereqs are. I guess posidens call is one lololol
sacred owl
its an actual thing if you go to settings
it only makes the game a easier not makes you invincible tho
quartz remnant
yeah I messed up, should have learned arthur on a lower heat
Lost all my lives to Charon and half of my health u-u
brave pelican
haha
just use the hallowed area a lot
its really really strong
on charon its almost autowin when u understand how to use it
it slows everything
quartz remnant
yeah it helped with his projectiles
forest locust
What do I mix Artemis with for Sword Build?
hushed sun
temple is designed to beat athena build isn't it
forest locust
Never know what to get 2nd after ARtemis
solid portal
Ok for the record a fully charged posiden call is the greatest thing I've seen in a video game LOL. I just took out all of the hydra heads in phase 2 with it
unkempt pagoda
now do it with eris 
stone river
what are good gods / keepsakes to go with aspect of gilgamesh?
unkempt pagoda
from what i hear, it's one of the best users of merciful end
lapis matrix
Doom?
unkempt zephyr
Ok for the record a fully charged posiden call is the greatest thing I've seen in a video game LOL. I just took out all of the hydra heads in phase 2 with it
@solid portal If you add special boon for call. this boon pulls enemies into YOUR call.room clearing combo)
hushed sun
ME
unkempt pagoda
so go ares attack, athena special (to set up merciful end), and athena dash as your goals
then get merciful end, then go ares to try and get impending doom
hushed sun
you can proc doom like drive-thru I hear
unkempt pagoda
bonus points if you get greatest reflex from hermes
(the points in question being damage points 
)
unkempt pagoda
you basically want to be dash striking constantly with this build
gil wins out over other fists with ME since you have extra dashes and you can just hold down the dash button
brave pelican
i never get merciful end
the one time i got it was at satyrs and the run was doing awful i died on hades cuz of no lives left
solid portal
hunters instinct doesn't seem very good
call charges faster on crit. Crits are rare typicaly I would imagine and its like 0.35 faster and it's a n epic boon what am I missign?
quartz remnant
Piercing Wave or Larger Aura/Slow for Sword 4?
quartz remnant
Figured.
unkempt pagoda
(especially as you get up into the higher heats)
hushed sun
hunter's instinct is lke a really small cherry on top
unkempt zephyr
call charges faster on crit. Crits are rare typicaly I would imagine and its like 0.35 faster and it's a n epic boon what am I missign?
@solid portal look how fast i get call. i give it to your PM.
hushed sun
unless you go zag bow and full crit build or something
but then if you can get crits consistently it does help a bit
i.e. deadly flourish on bow special, etc
unkempt pagoda
one of arte's major parts of her kit is building up crit chance
pressure points, hunter's mark, deadly reversal, splitting headache, etc
quartz remnant
so with aura, enemies are slower and can dodge projectiles better, easier to get behind them and get that delish backstab damage. + expose, etc.
is that how it works?
unkempt pagoda
basically!
hushed sun
I really want to try out the splitting headache chiron sniper combo
unkempt pagoda
also, it disables floor traps (including lava) at base
hushed sun
also, it disables floor traps (including lava) at base
Also including final boss urn smash thingy, that changed my life
I never realised that was a trap
unkempt pagoda
playing HS and getting hit by a 125 dmg urn 😔
hushed sun
"oops ouch- WAIT WHAT"
happened too many times to be funny
unkempt zephyr
its not edge) base urn damage. 30. +400% its =150)
fickle summit
Can you get explosive shot and flurry shot at the same time on bow?
I just haven't had it happen
unkempt zephyr
Can you get explosive shot and flurry shot at the same time on bow?
@fickle summit nope
fickle summit
It would be funny though
But yeah I get it, haha
fickle summit
What like 450 damage per 2 shots on a decent run with those?
Obviously heavily varies on crits
onyx parcel
What’s different about EM4 hades?
hushed sun
oh hoh hoh
a lot
I won't spoil too much, but it makes the entire battle much more difficult
including rad music and an ||extra phase||
spoilertagged it because I went into EM4 without prior knowledge; it really had me surprised
unkempt zephyr
its make you say "Whaaaait.WHAT????" again and again. and you say alote of bad words on this moments 🤣
hushed sun
also, he summons tartarus miniboss instead of normal foes, I can spoil you that
its make you say "Whaaaait.WHAT????" again and again. and you say alote of bad words on this moments 🤣
true, true
I was on FO1 CP1 on my first EM4 encounter lol
FO1 BP1, sorry*
quartz remnant
well, that's one of the quickest boss fights I've had on EM3 with Theseus and his bull friend.
Crits over 1k, over and over.
I can see why this is good on high heats.
Probably gonna get nerfed though.
fickle summit
I might try more for sub 15 zag bow tomorrow.
quartz remnant
well greater consc is great at the satyr temple
onyx parcel
I’ll do it one day when my bounties are around that heat level
quartz remnant
entire rooms with the aura
onyx parcel
山
fickle summit
I've been trying to go for Zeus and Artemis and so far the results haven't been even sub 17 yet due to not getting the early enchants I'd wanted.
hushed sun
Man I’m too much of a coward to try EM4
You should def try it, for the sake of music
the music
is AMÁZING
solid cairn
If you thought Zeus on eris rail was crazy oh my god splintering bolts or whatever the legendary is called
fickle summit
Rail is my next weapon I'll try stuff with.
I think I'm better off going one by one
solid cairn
Eris is god tier
hushed sun
I really should try eris
solid cairn
You get a massive damage boost to everything for 8 seconds if you hit yourself with special
That even boosts flat damage like Zeus
unkempt zephyr
i show you little different rail.with 300 -1000 crits from attack)
hushed sun
i'm biased against eris because I always go for the specials
hushed sun
i feel like Hestia loses its edge at around elysium
fickle summit
I wonder if I should make a sheet and separate my times by aspects.
solid cairn
With Hestia you do Arthur aspect levels of damage but only single target
brave pelican
I haven’t even tried em3
@onyx parcel its very fun and not that hard
solid cairn
That spin always lasts longer than I think it does
brave pelican
i like it more than the normal i think because you dont have to suffer theseus' shield for 3/4 of his life
hushed sun
hestia aspect biggest nightmare is the wave of armed flame wheels
brave pelican
bull is very easy to handle id say focus theseus on em3 is best
void zenith
I like killing theseus first on EM3
solid cairn
Asterius is still priority
void zenith
Cause bull has so much HP
solid cairn
Oh yeah
stone river
@unkempt pagoda for the gilgamesh build you mean dash strike and not dash special right?
onyx parcel
Do I have to chase the cart down
solid cairn
I’m thinking normal
hushed sun
Theseus feels relatively easier to kill
onyx parcel
If I’m using melee
solid cairn
You can wait for it to come to you
unkempt pagoda
yes
onyx parcel
Imma try it soon
void zenith
Thing is, if you chase the cart, Asterius can hardly catch up to you
solid cairn
Definitely feels like a more complete fight
onyx parcel
Em2 seems to be kicking my ass a lil tho
sweet heath
I've ended up just dpsing one or the other as is convenient and possible lol
void zenith
And you're safe from the bombs
onyx parcel
A lot of times idk where I took damage from
hushed sun
Thing is, if you chase the car, Asterius can hardly catch up to you
huh
solid cairn
Em2 is like a default for me
Yes I lose DD a lot but why not learn that version of the boss
hushed sun
I always find Asterius camping behind a pillar to headbutt into me
void zenith
For me, Asterius kinda walks around in the middle
fickle summit
I kill Asterius first, he's usually the one that actually deals damage to me.
hushed sun
also I deflected like 80 percent of all attacks in my earlier fresh run, I wanna test it out on em3 asterius too
solid cairn
At this point I like to call asterius and Theseus the Greek ornstein and Smough
fickle summit
I did my first EM3 run today aswell as TD3
solid cairn
TD3 is not recommending unless you are very high heat or speedrunning where it has no downside
fickle summit
I am speedrunning so it's nice
I'm only requiring 6 heat on bow atm, although I have no idea how to do heat progression.
Like what to pick first and such after this
Because I tried traps once and I may never do that ever again
solid cairn
There is a heat tier list somewhere
lapis matrix
More enemies are nice
fickle summit
Screw taking nearly 800 damage in one Styx chamber.
More enemies doesn't sound bad
lapis matrix
I usually take that
lapis matrix
I guess CF then if you don't take anything from the shop
brave pelican
yea but its the less annoying one on most weapons
i just dont take it for bow and gun
fickle summit
What if I just skip to max heat and then die in the first room.
brave pelican
rest have good aoes so its good
brave pelican
shop is very good if you know how to use it
fickle summit
I can manage a shopless run for sure though
brave pelican
i prefer more enemies and more health on them
i never do the dmg boost tho
be it traps or enemies
just too risky
solid cairn
If you want a head start I would probably go Tight Deadline 2, Middle Management, Forced Overtime 1-2, Extreme Measures 2, Lasting Consequences 1-2
Damage control depending on weapon
lapis matrix
I mean you won't get the rewards for those heat levels you're skipping
solid cairn
Yes but you can just play the same heat again
Which is what I’m doing because playing like 10 runs at low heat is boring
fickle summit
I want to try max heat just to see the absolute chaos
brave pelican
max heat is what
fickle summit
Wow
brave pelican
3mn per region
solid cairn
5
solid cairn
5 with max jury summons, enemies have max hp
solid cairn
God rng and incredible skill*
fickle summit
I'm gonna see if I can do 1 room, lol.
brave pelican
yea but skill is a given
lapis matrix
Max heat is like 64
solid cairn
I mean you can do first few rooms
storm scaffold
Is it just me or does the spear feel bad since you can't dash "cancel" the attacks very well?
brave pelican
i wished the EM1 fight would ahve been a duo of furies like theseus and asterius thats the only thing im disappointed abt regarding the EMs
storm scaffold
Remind me what Guan Yu is?
fickle summit
Actually I'll try heat on everything but TD
brave pelican
secret of spear
livid comet
it's the hidden aspect of the spear
solid cairn
Even if you are on a god seed on max heat guess what you have FO2 EM4 hades so good luck with that
lapis matrix
||4th spear aspect||
brave pelican
its very weird the first times
livid comet
I despise duo bosses
lapis matrix
What's good on the spear?
brave pelican
but when you understand the power of special its great
livid comet
so no more thanks
brave pelican
serrated point is busted on any spear
livid comet
spear special
brave pelican
but hades' is the best one
livid comet
get exploding special, and aphrodite or artemis
solid cairn
If you get quick spin on guan yu you probably win
solid cairn
but I won’t lie I have lost quick spin runs
lapis matrix
Or if you can get quick spin
fickle summit
The highest I can bring it up to atm without TD is only 53, which I get why
Need to do other things first
livid comet
prefer charged skewer
livid comet
it makes it the best bow
solid cairn
I mean you can move
dry ember
the fact u cant move even for a second
clearly not a bow main
solid cairn
Going aphro is a disservice to the special
brave pelican
one thing im disappointed in terms of features so far is we dont have a fire god
solid cairn
Arte all day
solid portal
OH I can't believe that just happend. I had 3 dd going into styx and lost two of them.. not agaisnt mini vermon boss but regular rats the do the poison shed thing
solid portal
2dd down the drain
solid portal
fml
lethal chasm
broke my 7 streak losing w it ;/
brave pelican
is there a benefit to streak of wins ?
lethal chasm
na lol i was just enjoying it ;p
lapis matrix
You get some new conversations
dry ember
I mean yes
dry ember
but also cheating winstreak is as simple as 2 buttons away
dry ember
yeah
solid cairn
Give up also allows you to know what the seed is
lethal chasm
yea
fickle summit
So cool the first actual chamber took 2 minutes
lethal chasm
i accidentally found that out recently
solid cairn
It’s uhh pretty broken
And it’s why unseeded speedruns require you to show your last run ending
lethal chasm
ahh haha
brave pelican
oh really
solid cairn
Yup
solid cairn
Yes with the same seed
lethal chasm
yea
solid cairn
So you know exactly what is happening
brave pelican
is there a set seed mode ?
fickle summit
I have become dead in room 2 WELL
lethal chasm
i figured that out bc i kept not doing right keepsakes
broken tooth into tartarus = ???
lol
fickle summit
Based on the fact that 1 chamber took 2 minutes I reallly don't see anyone doing max heat ever yeah, fun little thing though
Nice experiment.
lethal chasm
sounds like me on heat 7 today
_>
lol
trying to crank it up but need to not use new aspects doing that
fickle summit
That was heat 53, which is max without TD for my pact atm.
solid cairn
You need to unlock EM4
fickle summit
Yea need gems
solid cairn
Not gonna spoil anything but there is an end game cosmetic that costs 5k gems
fickle summit
I've only owned the game for 9 days lol
solid cairn
It’s ||a theme for the run end screen||
fickle summit
I mean I'm excited for a specific game later but my friend recommended me Hades and I've greatly enjoyed it.
lethal chasm
i need to trigger ||sisyphus' pardoning||
i played hades briefly in '18 beta and didnt like it much, not sure why but 1.0 had me addicted from second one
lol
fickle summit
I love speedrunning games I enjoy to play, I typically do ILs but this is super fun and the characters this game has CHARACTER man
fickle summit
Based on speedrunning trends, is that with Rail?
solid cairn
Yes
fickle summit
Why is Rail so crazy what
solid cairn
Vorime just got a 7:16
lapis matrix
Hestia or Eris?
brave pelican
lucifer zeus
solid cairn
Eris
lapis matrix
Ah
fickle summit
My best time is 15:05 with zag bow.
tidal edge
what are ILs? @fickle summit
brave pelican
eirs ?
lapis matrix
The damage boost
fickle summit
@tidal edge individual levels
solid cairn
Yes the world record is with Eris
tidal edge
ah okay
brave pelican
damage boost and the hammer with 5 special ?
solid cairn
Don’t have to get that
lethal chasm
my eris runs are 10 mins faster than all
unkempt zephyr
old world record be with nemesis. 3.51
solid cairn
Zeus attack, splintering bolt if you have it
tidal edge
I think that was a different category Oversky
solid cairn
Poseidon dash with sea storm
lethal chasm
beat my record of 21.51 w 21.01 today
fickle summit
I want sub 15 with bow then I will work on grinding Eris rail maybe
I am sore over losing sub 15 to Hades summoning too many times
lethal chasm
if u get eris w crit early you could kill redacte before hydra
lol
builds get so op so fast w it
seems like the best overall aspect
solid cairn
My best recorded run is an 11:51 but my best is a 10:50
lethal chasm
(crit and triple shot i meant)
satyr luck is crap
would have some way faster runs but i been 4/5 on guesses a lot recently
fickle summit
I didn't even think a 6 chamber was possible I thought it had to be in one of the non-higher difficulty rooms
unkempt zephyr
idk. i not enjoy SR. i enjoy in creating good builds. like 4-5k doom. or dio crits on 500 every 0.35 seconds. or artur slaming 6.5k+
fickle summit
But then again roguelikes aren't exactly meant for speedrunning.
But it's still alot of fun though
tidal edge
I think I'm imagining things, I thought there was a benefits package perk called lander but I guess not
prime crown
Are there any other ways to dodge Hades laser attacks? I lost two straight runs to the laser clipping through pillars so I feel like I'm just doing something wrong.
tidal edge
yeah you can just get up in his schnozz
there's no hitbox at point blank
pillars do work tho
unkempt zephyr
Are there any other ways to dodge Hades laser attacks? I lost two straight runs to the laser clipping through pillars so I feel like I'm just doing something wrong.
@prime crown first times hades not laser all room. He have only 3 laser. you can take 19 damage base and win time for free damage. he turn REALY SLOW
prime crown
... huh, gotta try that next time
tidal edge
to be clear I'm talking about the 360 degree laser, the tri-laser I just get behind
lapis matrix
||That doesn't really work on EM4||
unkempt zephyr
to be clear I'm talking about the 360 degree laser, the tri-laser I just get behind
@tidal edge rigth near hades back. save spot.
lapis matrix
As long as you don't move or attack
tidal edge
@lapis matrix that's a problem for future me to deal with
lapis matrix
With most weapons
prime crown
I'm not at EM4 quite yet, still playing around on pretty low heat
ornate remnant
is ||maim|| damage effected by flourish boons
tidal edge
you can still attack when you're point blank for free damage
lapis matrix
I don't think so
tidal edge
I do it all the time
lapis matrix
I mean most attacks will move you into the lasers
tidal edge
I'm sure some do but I doubt most
prime crown
I'm also trying to get out of my comfort zone and don't always take things I love, like Athena's dash, or the invincible calls for emergencies
tidal edge
they'd have to move you away
tidal edge
yeah that's a good idea pichu
unkempt zephyr
Thanks for the tips everyone
@prime crown best way have Athena call lvl 2. 1 line need for deflect all lasers. even on EM4
onyx parcel
Who do I focus on in em3 hero’s fight
I tried focusing on Theseus first but I took a ton of damage
prime crown
I still do Asterius personally
unkempt zephyr
I tried focusing on Theseus first but I took a ton of damage
@onyx parcel bad idea. Theseus starts calls + bull spin=almost 100% taking heavy damage.
onyx parcel
Dang ok so still kill bull first?
unkempt zephyr
kill bull easy way.
tidal edge
that's what I do on melee
with Hestia you can kinda just do whatever you feel like lol
shoot whoever you want
unkempt zephyr
that ppl dont have so heavy damage in build to melt half HP in 5 first seconds of figth. they need tactic.
hazy slate
so uh. ||EM4||. what do
brave pelican
so uh. ||EM4||. what do
@hazy slate ||kill urns to prevent regen, dodge stuff with more concentration, focus boss to despawn minibosses, and have a lot of single target damage. a lot.||
hazy slate
oh, ill try a different build next time
simple trail
i beat em4 easy with smoldering air + poseidon call
jade rover
Is it possible to get through the game without boons, or would any seed eventually force you to take one
simple trail
u dont always get 2 chamber choices
lapis matrix
I mean you can sell the boons
hazy slate
yeah just do that
simple trail
then u already took one
hazy slate
also use sysiphus keepsake
solid portal
aspect of talos? yea or neh?
lapis matrix
It's pretty good
solid portal
better option?
spiral tree
best attack with arthur is aph right?
hazy slate
its good
lapis matrix
Aph gives the best attacks boots yes
hazy slate
yeah for arthur either artemis for big crits or aphro
lapis matrix
Aph gives more consistent damage
unkempt zephyr
best attack with arthur is aph right?
@spiral tree take athena attack.add artemis special and aphro dash. athena synergy with special zone. and give you invinsible when you attacks come to enemy. its negate weakest part of aspect.becaus most damage you take in moment when you attack.
unkempt zephyr
realy
spiral tree
but attacks themselves cancel out projectiles
lapis matrix
Athena reflects them
unkempt zephyr
and deflect melee attacks too
and you can play in baseball in your zone.
with athena attack. in rooms when alote shooters. zone slow projectiles.
lapis matrix
You can deflect Charon's swing
spiral tree
I was finding aph attack the best
unkempt zephyr
even Dad spear
spiral tree
it also gives the highest damage bonus
unkempt zephyr
becaus aphro give 100% damage. athena give 80+ 80 backstab from boon
lapis matrix
Crit gives you 200% damage boost
simple trail
i mean aphro give dmg susceptibility and a status cure for dat extra dmg bonus
simple trail
more if u get boon that enhance the weak effect
unkempt zephyr
and you still have aphro debuff on fat targets from dash.and still can crit. becaus athena +artemis. BUT becaus you attack all time with athena. you all time have 20% crit on athena attack from Duo.
thick raptor
And then more damage if you get the susceptible boon
unkempt zephyr
i closing with athena attack 32 heat+ easy.
simple trail
i personally dislike aphro dash due to its small range
unkempt zephyr
but i dont use in my build aphro in High heat.
i use dio dash or zeus dash. to negate DC2 to zero.
and i use ruthres reflex for 50% dodje and 50% damage.
bleak iron
what's the base drop time for crystals?
unkempt zephyr
12s
bleak iron
oh damn, quick reload is really good then
lapis matrix
It depends
bleak iron
base version brings it to 3.3
lapis matrix
On the cast
bleak iron
I have the chain lighting one from zeus
unkempt zephyr
and stygian soul good too.
bleak iron
on the bow with Hera's Aspect
so that drop time will let me spam and hit ppl from afar on it
unkempt zephyr
becaus in 12 seconds you can use 4 times.
lapis matrix
More sustained damage
unkempt zephyr
yup.
when purple side have burst damage for weak enemy. but weaker on boss figth. becaus in same time window 3 cast. when stygian soul have 4.
and if you find from chaos +1 in stygian soul. its be 8 cast in 12 second window in boss figths
void fjord
or if you get fully reloaded and chaose +2 casts, its just carnage
lapis matrix
Guess I didn't need stubborn roots that time
spiral tree
@spiral tree take athena attack.add artemis special and aphro dash. athena synergy with special zone. and give you invinsible when you attacks come to enemy. its negate weakest part of aspect.becaus most damage you take in moment when you attack.
@unkempt zephyr
I'm not debating with you I'm just curious why take athena attack over aph attack? special is almost never used for arthur except for making aura and what do you mean special zone?
unkempt zephyr
i pref for hera purple side. but for ahilies spear green(becaus already busy on positioning.and dont wana jump to hole area to find crystals. in free 3 seconds i damage with spear)
spiral tree
IIRC conensus here was aph attack was best especially for arthur
hazy slate
i mean if youre looking for damage aph attack is best
unkempt zephyr
that your choose. i just put my opinion here from artur mainer 32+heat.
spiral tree
I'll try athena attack for arthur
I'm not a fan of backstab bonuses it's nice but not a priority for me
most of the time it seems enemies face you lol
I'm on heat 10 with arthur
game got a lot easier ever since I unlocked it haha
what did you mean special zone athene synergy?
unkempt zephyr
if enemy face you. athena probably your best choose. bacaus its full inv to damage on attacks VS weaked hit
what did you mean special zone athene synergy?
@spiral tree Special SLOW projectiles very hard.
spiral tree
so reflect isnt just for projectiles but all attacks?
unkempt zephyr
all attacks. like dash
spiral tree
so reflect makes you completely invincible like dashes?
unkempt zephyr
same mechanic
spiral tree
wow
unkempt zephyr
but in cone zone where your attack
like in shield
and you can trow back all projectiles to attacker from zone.
hazy slate
its like a giant base ball bat
unkempt zephyr
becaus they probably have 80% slow and stuck in
yup
i say this befor. i play in baseball
with artur 🤣
livid comet
Arthur is a truck, hits like one and handles like one
unkempt zephyr
and for moment when attacker can hit me i have ruthles reflex.becaus it 50% dodje. and i dash alote.
livid comet
feel like extra dashes is the better way to go over ruthless for arthur
livid comet
ruthless reflex
prime crown
Man, why is heightened security worth only 1 heat
unkempt zephyr
feel like extra dashes is the better way to go over ruthless for arthur
@livid comet nope. when i find even +1 dash. im probably becomes invinsible with this.and i find this. i have reroll for this.
prime crown
I think that was about the reflex chat, probably
unkempt zephyr
and ruthless reflex must have for another weapon.with out any chose. it Gilgamesh claws. 50% dodje and 50% damage.
prime crown
But yeah, even if it's mainly relevant to that one fight, the urns become ridiculous
unkempt zephyr
150 damage?) and alote bad words?
smoky atlas
no bad words, i just blurted out "WOT" when it happened
spiral tree
so what is damage on athena attack like compared to aph and art?
smoky atlas
wasnt sure if i was mad or just too surprised
prime crown
I secretly wished they counted as urns for Dusa purposes
Not that I would bring the duster into Hades for that
unkempt zephyr
so what is damage on athena attack like compared to aph and art?
@spiral tree yup.becaus you have almost all time 20% crit chance from duo. its better than aphro.
so what is damage on athena attack like compared to aph and art?
@spiral tree its fills like you play in nemesis sword. with alote crits.But numbers much High
i
so what is damage on athena attack like compared to aph and art?
@spiral tree sometimes it turned out to be overclocked to 6.5k. on back with backstab boon,backstab hammer on crit, with chaos on attack and some artemis boon for crit damage,and duo with artemis+aphro(aphro dash)
spiral tree
duo is not guranteed tho
unkempt zephyr
when you have reroll for boons. and use in shined boons or if you have yarn. its guranteed.
did you catche this?
brave pelican
im wondering
is tempest flourish on the fist 12combo worth taking ?
or will it just bump enemies out of the extra hits ?
spiral tree
what is the reroll for boon called in mirror
brave pelican
its the purple one
unkempt zephyr
what is the reroll for boon called in mirror
@spiral tree green side.bottom line
purple for doors. green for boons,wells of charon
mighty ermine
fated persuasion. also affects purging pool selection in addition to the above
jade rover
Was wondering, actually, what the distance requirement for distant memories to work is. Saw it on @fluid trench 's victory screen, but basically don't run it.
fluid trench
yeah i just picked it because whatever
oh while i'm here, is there any gun aspect that can't get cluster bomb
jade rover
I don't think the fourth one can.
spiral tree
which one should I have switched on @unkempt zephyr
unkempt zephyr
which one should I have switched on @unkempt zephyr
@spiral tree you need Fated Persuasion
jade rover
well, the wiki says that any aspect can be used @fluid trench
fluid trench
well im not entirely willing to take the wiki's word on it but alright
any mutually exclusive hammers
jade rover
cluster doesn't work with hazard or triple bomb
bleak iron
guan yu reduces the max health rewards too right? not just your initial max health?
jade rover
Ye
unkempt zephyr
which one should I have switched on @unkempt zephyr
@spiral tree you start with athena keepsake. take attack from it 100% .need this.Reroll if common. and after choose key if viable to have more rerols.(hope you have +1 rerol for finded key).
hazy slate
what happens when a chaos curse would reduce your health below zero (because guan yu)
barren otter
good question, I'd imagine you'd have 1 hp max
bleak iron
wouldn't let you take it I imagine
same as when you try to go into when w/o guan yu and don't have enough
fluid trench
i dont think they would do that in the first place
bleak iron
oh wait you meant a curse that reduces your hp? I imagine it just wouldn't show
fluid trench
but i don't use guan yu much so what do i know
bleak iron
or it wouldn't let you select
barren otter
lvl1 Guan Yu with High Confidence is 15 hp
lethal chasm
achilles spear is hella good but rough to adjust to playstyle lol
crazy single target w demeter
but i got hit so much i died x_x
but enough dmg that a handful of casts couldve killed hades
more reasons why eris is superior >__>
i need to get to surface w guan for dat ambrosia
..but i gotta spend titans blood to have a chance
l o l
jade rover
How many runs have ya'll attempted, out of curiousity? Wondering if my current count is, like, a ton.
lethal chasm
i think 60 now
barren otter
I have about 370 runs now
lethal chasm
started playing at 1.0 launch only tho
fluid trench
i'm somewhere around 125
dabbled a bit during early access, came back after 1.0 hit
unkempt zephyr
i have 124 runs on relized version. and 547 befor blood update.
jade rover
Ah, ok. I'm jammin' along with 102, I think.