my general rule of thumb is that if the weapon has innate crit, put aphro. in it and try to get heart rend
#h1-builds-and-combat
empty veldt
gilded nymph
also is there a way to check wins
empty veldt
archives i.e administrative hall
valid forge
yeah, unlock the administrative hall
empty veldt
you can
empty veldt
What weapon is this for?
gilded nymph
nemesis
empty veldt
Thing with Artemis is that she gives the lowest atk % modifier but gives crit chance. Art also doesnt scale well with poms
Thats why i like APhro better on innate crit weapons. Better atk % modifier means more crit damage overall and better pom scaling
but it still works, you can still get heartrend if you switch around arte and aphro, thats the important part
hushed sun
only "properly" scaling art boon is pressure points, which if you calculate the expected value the end result is about the same
empty veldt
and also is there a specific way to play nemesis?
@gilded nymph Special -> Dash attack -> Dash Attack -> Special->repeat
empty veldt
i dont like it
double edge definitely the best for me, double nova as well
Big Chop doesnt affect your dash attacks
random light
cuz my first boon has an epic heartbreak flourish
@gilded nymph you can switch trinkets and it’ll change the god that’s offering the boon but give you the same type and rarity of boons
Big Chop not the move for Nemesis yeah
Definitely Aphro on Attack, Heart Rend is no joke, and 30% critical chance is already a lot
cunning urchin
Easiest build for Nemesis is just put Deflect on everything.
hushed sun
nite, I should go sleep
cunning urchin
@hushed sun good night. Remember to take Divine Dash for the sleep biome.
gilded nymph
@random light are keepsakes the same as trinkets?
hazy thicket
yes
random light
Yep
cunning urchin
Yep.
valid forge
ye
hushed sun
y
toxic sage
Hey everyone, is there any good source to read about builds? I just finished all no heat runs and its quite difficult to find any information online
Will greatly appreciate any hints
hearty elbow
There's the very basic one in the sticky
But for more nuanced stuff, no not really. It's very hard to do something like that
Builds are highly opinionated, quite flexible, and vary wildly on aspect, playstyle, and heat
unkempt zephyr
Will greatly appreciate any hints
@toxic sage in first steps....Look codex for gods boons. Find Duo.Try combain 2 gods in Duo in your run. to have Duo passive from them. and lear every god play style.
hazy thicket
worth noting you have to buy the upgrade for the codex to see the boons
unkempt zephyr
Game have unbelivanle unmount of builds.
hearty elbow
For a very broad generalization, every aspect can benefit from Athena's boons, especially Divine Dash and Athena's Aid.
Aspects with high base damage will typically benefit from Heartbreak or Deadly Strike/Flourish (Aphrodite/Artemis attack/special), and aspects with very high rate of fire will benefit from Thunder Strike/Flourish (Zeus attack/special). Aspects with low base damage will benefit from Zeus (Lightning), Ares (Doom), and Dionysus (Hangover)
cunning urchin
Unless the aspect is very different from the base aspect, meta builds for the aspect are just what's in the newbie build guide + knowledge of all the Duo Boons you can get with those combos + the best hammers you can get on the way.
Builds around specific hammers only make sense if you start with a seed that has that hammer in chamber 1.
unkempt zephyr
@hearty elbow its endless discussion. becaus aspect with very high rate of attack benefit from aftemis. becaus mark upering.And next cast Slow attackbe critical Aspect with slow attack benefit from zeus dash.becaus Jolted stom attack of enemy. and more more more...
hearty elbow
I said broad generalization. At the very least, that mentality is a starting point
turbid needle
Aspect of Chiron with some good special boost boons is pretty good, what do you guys think?
unkempt zephyr
its not
I said broad generalization. At the very least, that mentality is a starting point
@hearty elbow its just your borders when YOU use all gods.
hearty elbow
Aspect of Chiron with some good special boost boons is pretty good, what do you guys think?
@turbid needle Yeah, Chiron works great with special damage.
unkempt pagoda
unreal jetty
Hiya! Just wanted to ask if the cursed slash upgrade on Stygian Blade scales up or if it's fixed at 2 ❤️ per hit. Thanks! 🙂
robust anchor
always 2 per hit
unreal jetty
Thank you! 🙂
empty veldt
Assuming the acorn doesnt used up by damage from adds
Especially in EM4 where the adds do a lot of trash damage
fierce thicket
Butterflies 
empty veldt
Or tombstones
gilded nymph
what does em4 mean
fierce thicket
Extreme Measures
gilded nymph
ooh
spiral tree
starting heat 9, last run for the first time I saw an upgrade I could only get if I had a certain heat level
said heat 15 needed =/
cunning urchin
You need 5 in Tartarus, 10 in Asphodel, 15 in Elysium.
fierce thicket
These things are usually not worth the risk, at least for me
hearty elbow
If the choice is between like, a Darkness room and an Erebus gate in Asphodel/Elysium, I'll probably try for it anyway though.
Erebus gates in Tartarus are typically pretty manageable
hazy thicket
I mean hey even if you get hit you still get that cronch
fierce thicket
There is always that damn flame chariot that spawns in front of you
wanton night
Ohh the damage from Styguis Aspect of Poseidon + Exit Wounds + Poseidon cast is ridiculous
fierce thicket
It's pretty nice, exit wounds is pretty much mandatory whenever I play with poseidon's aspect
wanton night
Just finished a clear when i didnt even get half my health down of one bar duing last fight
Yeee
I also took Artemis Special
but I wonder if theres a better one
maybe aphrodite
wanton night
Im thinking of terms of stacking dmg tho
fierce thicket
Also depends on your duos
wanton night
With Aphrodite you can get the susceptibility to dmg when weak
tru
Getting Zeus Art Duo would be nice actually
That or have Hermes auto pick up cast
gilded nymph
with hera, you go dio cast and what attack for a duo?
fierce thicket
Well dio cast gets better with zeus and demeter duos but they are not the best for bow's attack
Guess you can slap an athena or ares boon on it
maiden pike
How many shots fire from the initial Sharanga special?
forest locust
I have maxed Demeter first, im looking for a OP range build. Any ideas 😄 ?
I have 5 casts with hera bow
dark quail
Whats a good way to apply privileged status on enemies with aspect of arthur?
pseudo ledge
Its fun to hit 3k crits with Arthur
unkempt zephyr
Whats a good way to apply privileged status on enemies with aspect of arthur?
@dark quail Dash first status + attack second status.
random light
Whats a good way to apply privileged status on enemies with aspect of arthur?
@dark quail Arthur doesn’t particularly hit fast, I don’t know if you wanna do Priv Status. I’d guess something like Doom on Attack for starters
Oh yeah Dash Attack is a good idea, forgot about that
dark quail
So if i get aphrodite on attack for arthur, what boon would be good on dash?
empty veldt
Honestly, i would rather NOT use PS with Arthur, would rather do FF
random light
I would also recommend Family Fave
Its fun to hit 3k crits with Arthur
@pseudo ledge BIG NUMBER
empty veldt
Since most likely gonna run Aphro/Arte/Athena for crits with big damage
random light
^^^
empty veldt
The difference between FF and PS not that big for the hassle that PS needs u to do
Not worth sacrificing a good build/synergy to force a PS
Since Hermes also counts for FF
dark quail
Oh ok, what would be the optimal build for arthur? I usually just get aphrodite on attack and steamroll on lower heat
unkempt zephyr
In artur aphro dont used. becaus math of defence. yes it bigest numeber of damage bonus. But athena so much better.
empty veldt
Would use Arte on attack for crit but thats me personally. Can go Athena for defensive build and safety. Aphro on attack on Arthur also good
unkempt zephyr
and aphro not so good to. take demeter.
empty veldt
What?
fierce thicket
Don't take demeter for arthur lol
empty veldt
This is the first time ever i hear someone say not to take aphro ever
dark quail
So artemis would be the best choice?
empty veldt
@dark quail preference. If u like crits sure
dark quail
I guess i do
fierce thicket
Art, aphro and athena are the best
empty veldt
You also stack damage reduction on weak + arthur special
unkempt zephyr
artur can easy face tank hades in his special,athena attack and rustles reflex. with out any think alse in build.
empty veldt
Its very strong damage mitigation
Yes you can run Athena on Arthur attack
But its all comparable
dark quail
I know everybody praises athenas dash, but what are some other really good dashes?
empty veldt
It depends on the preference
fierce thicket
Poseidon dash has great damage and range
empty veldt
@dark quail Artemis dash for dash attack damage
fierce thicket
Just don't take it with short range weapons
unkempt zephyr
you invincible in cone when you SLOW attack animation on artur.
fierce thicket
Art dash is great for bow
unkempt zephyr
Dr .choke what you High heat with artur? artemis dash on artur...
empty veldt
I know everybody praises athenas dash, but what are some other really good dashes?
@unkempt zephyr i never said for arthur. The question was general
I have 28 on Arthur
I hardly call 40% damage mitigation invincible
dark quail
Yeah, i was asking in general,what about dashes for arthur?
empty veldt
Athena dash
unkempt zephyr
dio dash on artur
fierce thicket
Athena dash on arthur is pretty important
empty veldt
40% plus weak 30% is really good
unkempt zephyr
or you be strugling in DC
empty veldt
Ur arhena dash already hits damage control
unkempt zephyr
32 heat with EM4 my artur
empty veldt
Good for u bro
random light
I mean play style preference dictates gameplay in Hades more than “tier lists”
I don’t even think we have tier lists....
random light
Not in this chat for sure lol, maybe in the high heat topic
empty veldt
It depends on the preference
Also this
unkempt zephyr
If you find some armor enemy with Shielding with athena dash....its be painfull.i dont say about shield guys in zone 3 with shielding.
fierce thicket
Even for high heat, preference is important, some are usually better but there are no concrete tier lists
unkempt zephyr
becaus dio dash on artur decreace DS2 and sheilding to ZERO. and its becoms easy. and Dio dash deal huge additional damage. and you can focus on artur on fat boys. and all little be dead from dio dash.
random light
Of course it helps if you just so happen to prefer Aspects that are really strong, like say.... Demeter Fists
fierce thicket
I want to start doing demeter builds but I need to upgrade them and I have no blood...
spiral tree
just found an OP combo vs bosses
random light
Even at lower levels Demeter is good, it just really starts to perform from lv3 onwards
spiral tree
aph call+god gauge auto refill
keeps bosses perma charmed so they don't ever attack
and then add charm boon to attack so ensure they stay charmed
fierce thicket
Smoldering air is very strong with most calls
empty veldt
Smoldering bad with Artemis call, but artemis call is terrible in general lol
torpid ginkgo
What would you take out of piercing wave, cursed slash, and breaching slash? Im using Arthur and already have greater consecration
empty veldt
Cursed slash is terrible or arthur
torpid ginkgo
I figured
random light
Yeah Cursed Slash not the way to go
empty veldt
Lifesteal itself is kinda questionable because of the health loss
random light
Breaching Slash I would think
Yeah honestly Cursed Slash is... kinda not great most of the time
empty veldt
I would go breaching as well
random light
If it was lifesteal instead of flat HP on hit Cursed Slash would be real good
torpid ginkgo
Yeah piercing wave kinda sucks unless you’re using Zagareus
robust geyser
Alright, I got shield for to level 5. Now I should use it.
Uhm, how do I use it?
unkempt zephyr
What would you take out of piercing wave, cursed slash, and breaching slash? Im using Arthur and already have greater consecration
@torpid ginkgo Take artur zone fist. no any chooses. if can => take. anothet top tier its damage from back 200% or damage vs armor
random light
If you like to use High Confidence from the Mirror, Cursed Slash is nice
robust geyser
In other words: what boons and hammers to look for, what attack patterns to use often.
random light
In other words: what boons and hammers to look for, what attack patterns to use often.
@robust geyser which aspect? Chaos?
robust geyser
No, the hidden one.
random light
Ahh
fierce thicket
Aphro and art for special
random light
I would assume you want Bull Rush hammers
robust geyser
Sudden rush sounds great, if it's available on it.
fierce thicket
It is but the special is a big and independently strong part of it
potent ember
dio cast builds r very fun for hidden shield aspect
young cairn
I have a question about fiery soul, does it count armored as "full health" all the time, and I've noticed it might not be buffed to 100 % damage yet; I used an attack on a full health enemy, did 80 something damage, hit him again with it and dealt 50 something damage
First question answered, it does not count armored as full health
turbid needle
fetch charged throw and put aphro on special
potent ember
of course
forest locust
Can someone help with a chaos shield build
onyx parcel
Merciful end
potent ember
zeus/sea storm builds r very fun
onyx parcel
All ur shield trigger merciful end btw
unkempt zephyr
can you have more than 1 duo
@gilded nymph https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/758485427723698186/760669315459448882/unknown.png
onyx parcel
So if u shotgun an enemy u essentially deal 6x the damage as one merciful end
potent ember
isnt that a bug?
forest locust
So Ares/Athena
potent ember
i guess so
forest locust
Im going for Chaos shield as 2nd investment for bloods. Whats the best build atm?
random light
Blanky what aspect?
dark quail
Which aspect do you find more fun? Hestia or erin?
potent ember
exploding launcher
random light
In Zag? Probs Launcher yeah
potent ember
exploding launcher is so good
potent ember
all ur hammer choices were special anyways
limber flax
yep
forest locust
Any Chaos shield build? Not sure what to play
limber flax
is hunters mark good
barren otter
Separate.
smoky atlas
hmm wonder how to increase its dmg then
limber flax
does stubborn roots recover hp after you clear the room?
barren otter
hmm wonder how to increase its dmg then
global damage modifiers and Double Strike
Splitting Bolt too
dark quail
What boons do you usually pick on aspect of demeter?
limber flax
so
its kinda stupid to pick lucky tooth from start of the run huh
since i can just equip it later when i might need it right?
smoky atlas
usually its a good idea to start with something that you can stack per room
atomic jacinth
I need help guys
smoky atlas
or if youre really in the mood to control boon spawn i guess
limber flax
in my uneducated eyes lambent plume seems insane to start with
atomic jacinth
Why can't I post pics?
drifting vale
@dark quail for strike athena, zeus, dio, really whatever
Special id recommend arti or aphro
limber flax
Why can't I post pics?
@atomic jacinth apparently you cant post pics here use imgur
atomic jacinth
Bruh...
drifting vale
Its a server setting you gotta send something as a link but even then mods dont like it if you post too many
atomic jacinth
drifting vale
Bruh howd you send something from the 60s
If you want the health vintage isnt bad
But id just take the aid
potent ember
do u ten to dash alot?
limber flax
i have divine dash
unkempt pagoda
which aspect?
potent ember
id go serated point
unkempt pagoda
ah, probably 1 or 3
unkempt pagoda
something that won’t affect your build negatively
limber flax
i have chill on my special with exploding
potent ember
triple jab has little use most of the time
potent ember
decent for spear. what other options you got?
unkempt scroll
Any recommendations for how to use the gun-thing weapon? It's the last weapon I need to get to the final boss with 🤔
potent ember
rarities for each?
potent ember
meh u just got unlucky. clean kill or support fire would be ok
potent ember
yes but other enemies must be around
midnight geode
@unkempt scroll Go for a Zeus build with chain lightning on attack, splash dash from Poseidon. You need to have Jolted curse and sea storm to be really strong though. Eris aspect works well.
fiery ginkgo
man duos are nuts
robust anchor
for bosses yes
fiery ginkgo
artemis ares duo of seeking blade casts? insane - totally rapid fire shredded final boss
limber flax
how many floors on act3
potent ember
yes. i believe it goes 15 tartarus, 10 asphodel, 15 elysium
robust anchor
chamber 35 is boss3
fiery ginkgo
zeus demeter duo where discarded casts have lighting strike around them? insane, totally shreded final boss without me even doing anything
are duos the strongest boons in the game?
i am starting to think so
potent ember
duos r super good ye
u gotta search for them tho. cant just let rng decide for u. gotta have an idea beforehand
like before a run be like "aight ima do a sea storm build" or "i want hunting blades and get lightning rod for backup" or something
wanton night
anyone got tips on how to use Exagryph Aspect ||of Lucifer||
jade rover
Hades special zues primary. Win games.
wanton night
Its so different than the normal playstyle
turbid needle
both are one long stream of bullets
jade rover
erm. Ares
wanton night
lmao ah okay
turbid needle
wym hide
limber flax
like
turbid needle
can u even hide in like the normal gameplay
wanton night
hide as in???
jade rover
(and all the hammer upgrades for that rail aspect are nuts, prioritize them)
turbid needle
face ur struggles
wanton night
lolol
limber flax
hide as in hades wont hit me and i can heal with stubborn roots to full
valid forge
like the lasers
limber flax
lmao
turbid needle
not rly
valid forge
but you cant really hide
wanton night
dodge and weave
turbid needle
he can reach you anywhere
jade rover
you can run away
valid forge
hades will chase you down
turbid needle
it is
wanton night
Kill him faster than he can kill you
valid forge
yeah its better to just hit him lul
turbid needle
the whole fight is very stressful
pallid sand
When taking Last Stand (Athena) using Stubborn Defiance - you get a 2nd revive the next room if your stubborn defiance was spent before you picked it up. You don't get a 2nd revive when picking it up without having spent your Stubborn Defiance. Is that intended? Feels kinda cheesy to intentionally die/revive before picking up Athena boons
Can confirm it actually lets you revive twice too
turbid needle
it lets u revive twice
pallid sand
Yeah stubborn defiance is just when 30+ heat for me
turbid needle
idk before 1.0 it didnt even give you a an extra live at all
gilded nymph
what is a good gun build
valid forge
zeus attack
gilded nymph
with the 4th weapon?
hollow dove
What's best on chiron's bow? It feels like anything but athena's very good
spiral tree
unhealthy fixation legendary or parting shot?
gilded nymph
does aphro special with arte attack or vice versa sound better on arthur
limber flax
really
second phase
i was spoiled he had a second phase but i hoped its for higher difficulty or smth
.___.
hazy slate
i like arte attack on arthur, for bigger numbers
like, any time i get a crit with arthur
i get serotonin
sweet heath
just played aspect of demeter fists the first time and got kinetic launcher, ridiculous and fun lol
valid forge
i got aphro strike to lv 8 in a run
with arthur
plsu 200% backstab hammer
i got plenty of seratonin every time i got a backstab 3rd hit and did 1k
unkempt zephyr
athena much better. becaus you have not 100% scail like aphro. only 80%)but have another backstab +100% and delfecting projectiles and attack.
random light
just played aspect of demeter fists the first time and got kinetic launcher, ridiculous and fun lol
@sweet heath Demeter fists best weapon
Have you tried the double kick hammer?
sweet heath
not yet with demeter lol
the kinetic launcher was so ridiculous, I had epic aphro special on it
fiery ginkgo
does piercing wave (hammer upgrade for sword that sends out piecing projectile) interact with your attack boon?
unkempt zephyr
imo.claws much more better) 50% bonus damage from miam. miam damage can be increased. 60 base damage with aoe on attacks. clasw much better. but harder to handle.
random light
Try Artemis Special on Demeter the crits are insane
sweet heath
I haven't tried claws yet
fiery ginkgo
uh any idea on piercing wave?
hazy slate
i think it does
sweet heath
I thought it doesn't scale? dunno though
fiery ginkgo
Help me pick a hammer upgrade
i have piercing wave, double dash attack, or flurry slash as options
and i haven't found an attack boon yet
gods on the table are hades demeter and athena so far
sweet heath
for me I'd almost certainly take double dash
hazy slate
i think double dash attack
hazy slate
yeah sure
fiery ginkgo
thanks folks!
austere shadow
Whose attack boon is the best for quickly clearing chambers?
hazy slate
I think it depends on which weapon youre using, but for like, nemesis, the high base damage of aphrodite boons will help kill things quickly
rapid wigeon
I want to beat the game with the Stygian Blade, but I haven't done very well with it so far. Which builds do you usually go for with it? And which gods do you usually force boons from?
hazy slate
I like nemesis sword, with aphro attack, and like either artemis for the special so you can get the duo boon that boosts crits on weak enemies
rapid wigeon
that sounds interesting, I'll try to build towards that
hazy slate
i also try to get the boon for demeter that makes a icy blast when I cast but thats personal preference
also get athena dash because athena dash
void fjord
i suggest arty dash, especially with nemesis since you'll tend to dash strike a lot
stoic thicket
First level is fine. That one already gives 15% crit chance, maxing it out costs 15 blood and only ends up at 30%.
So for less than 7% of the blood invested you get 50% of the efficiency.
rapid wigeon
I got an athena boon that gives me the choice between her call, Holy Shield, and the one that makes your special deflect
which is more worth it?
my only other boon is Aphrodite attack
stoic thicket
Of those three? Call would be my pick probably. Holy shield isn't bad but also nothing really spectacular, the special can be nice if you're running a build that uses it regularly.
rapid wigeon
Her call doesn't seem as good as others
hazy slate
immunity is pretty good
if youre not great at avoiding hits and want to just some free time to lay into someone
rapid wigeon
hmmm. I know Artemis was the recommendation but is Demeters special worth it?
hazy slate
its nice if you want privelegd status
rapid wigeon
I've also been offered the max health gain potency and I am still in tartarus
what is privileged status?
stoic thicket
A mirror upgrade.
rapid wigeon
Okay. Would you recommend special or max health gain?
stoic thicket
40% extra damage when an enemy is afflicted by at least two Status curses (Dionysus Hangover, Demeter Chill, Ares Doom, Aphrodite Weak, Zeus Jolted, Poseidon Razor Shoals, Athena Exposed or Artemis Marked).
rapid wigeon
ohhhh
patent quartz
What's a good build to beat the final boss for my first time?
Sorry if this has been asked already
I'm sure it has been
rapid wigeon
First time I beat it was with a Zeus' chain lightning buffed Exagryph
valid forge
check pins for decent builds
there's a lot of good builds in the game but those should get you started on the generically good boons for each weapon
exotic nacelle
what’s the best rail aspect?
patent quartz
Thanks treecko
hazy slate
i mean, eris is a nice aspect, hestia if you like one shotting stuff
stoic thicket
All four Rail aspects are fine, "best" is probably a competition between Hestia and Eris.
exotic nacelle
hestia is the reload one?
prisma turret
yea
hazy slate
yeah
stoic thicket
Eris is easier to handle though.
prisma turret
I am extremely underwhelmed by the rail's final aspect
exotic nacelle
what does it do, if we are allowed to discuss spoilers
hazy slate
basically laser
prisma turret
Shoots a continuous laser and its special shoots a mine that does damage in a small AoE
prisma turret
It needs to be significantly bigger
exotic nacelle
I’m trying to get the hidden sword aspect but nyx won’t speak to me
hazy slate
Also the laser has a ramp up mechanic I think
exotic nacelle
I think it’s because i’m progressing story
hazy slate
Did you invest 5 blood?
exotic nacelle
I did
exotic nacelle
yeah, no rush, this game is a masterpiece
exotic nacelle
I’m on a 4 streak so
she keeps giving me
progression dialog
i think once i lose
i’ll get it
stoic thicket
Grab Guan Yu, set the pact to Routine Inspection 4 + Heightened Security, quickly clear the first room and step on a trap in room 2.
Instant game over.
wary jackal
what's a good god to focus on for arthur aspect?
onyx parcel
Demeter crit build so op
With splitting headache, explosive upper, clean kill
Demeter and nemesis are my fav weapon
onyx parcel
what's a good god to focus on for arthur aspect?
@wary jackal Artemis for BIG numbers
wary jackal
thanks for the advice
is the arthur aspect specific hammer any good?
especially comapred to the armor breaking one
wary jackal
45 % larger special area plus 10% slow
hazy slate
I mean, eh, doesn’t sound great
spice rover
it's not bad, but there are other hammers that you might want over it
If it's on offer and nothing else sounds particularly good with your build it's not bad
wary jackal
yeah, i was thinking I'd go for the armor breaking one instead in prep for elysium
hazy slate
That’s fair
austere shadow
For the purpose of boss killing, whose attack boon is better for a spear with flurry jab; Ares or Dionysus?
spice rover
kinda depends on how deep into each character you're going.
wary jackal
doom + merciful end + divine dash on the spear is nice
spice rover
Ares with stacking doom esp if you can get the Athena duo
Merciful End is so good with the right set up.
Dio isn't bad, and can be awesome if you get increased options for hangover stacks and whatnot. For me, Ares is good if I'm planning the run out and know what I'm going for. Dio if I'm kind of just taking it as I go.
hazy slate
Merciful end’s requirements were changed I think
wary jackal
you need a doom attack or special and an athena attack or special
rain plover
guys, does anyone have a demeter build for the twin fists? wanted to use it with the aspect of talos
onyx parcel
guys, does anyone have a demeter build for the twin fists? wanted to use it with the aspect of talos
@rain plover crit
hazy slate
Or Zeus
hazy slate
I mean, it works
onyx parcel
Splitting headache with dio
rain plover
and thanks for the tips already!
onyx parcel
Heart rend with aphro
On fist, support fire is great
Clean kill for more crit damage
Pressure point
Mark works well
rain plover
yeah! i was thinking more about using artemis boons!
onyx parcel
Get her attack
And Artemis on special
Actually nvm ur on talos right
Doesn’t really matter then
rain plover
hahahaha
but why aphro on the attack
if i'm using demeter i want to stack chill
i think hahaha
rain plover
and thanks for the tips until now!
onyx parcel
Aphro has highest raw damage increase
rain plover
i like the ideia of using aphro's special to take less damage, but maybe i'll do a lot more with artemis attack
onyx parcel
Yep
And aim for heart rend
But if u don’t want Artemis attack, Zeus attack on fist is prob the best choice
rain plover
☺️
onyx parcel
U can stack hangover forever
They do a lot of damage
And when u get splitting headache
Dear lord that’s some good chunk of damage
rain plover
i thought about dio, but i wanted to use demeter so i can level up her item
onyx parcel
Demeter on attack is great cause u can stack
Arctic blast works wonders if ur on fist
rain plover
yeah! that's what i thought, but when i use artemis, i'll look for things like support fire and pressure point right?
seriously? artic blast?
idk which boon it is
onyx parcel
Yes
Arctic blast clears chill effects and deals damage when u reach 10 stacks of chill
Which u can do on fist very easily
Artemis u want support fire, pressure point, yea
onyx parcel
Clean kill also good for bigger crits
rain plover
maybe hunter's mark?
onyx parcel
Yep
Although mark in my experience is sort of inconsistent
It’s nice to have but also doesn’t really matter much
U can still perform good without mark
But u CAN get a mark for priv status
That way mark and chill can trigger priv status easily
rain plover
oh! i didn't know that marked was considered as a status effect
but will i be getting priv a lot with chill and mark?
onyx parcel
Mark is pretty inconsistent as of how to trigger it
U need at least 2 enemies on screen to get mark
So it won’t do much in boss fights
I don’t use priv status if I’m going for a crit build bc it’s hard to trigger it
barren bridge
hey guys, what are the best gods for chiron bow?
onyx parcel
Yep no problem have fun
hey guys, what are the best gods for chiron bow?
@barren bridge sea storm works very good
Crit build on Chiron bow is also insane
Get heart rend
But for Chiron to do even better damage u need hammers
robust anchor
conc and relentless volley
barren bridge
so I should start with poseidon or artemis?
robust anchor
its most popular to go for art
onyx parcel
so I should start with poseidon or artemis?
@barren bridge sea storm is Poseidon and Zeus
If ur going for sea storm I’d force Poseidon special first
And try to get Zeus attack
Heart rend is Artemis and aphro
I’d get Artemis on special and aphro on attack
barren bridge
awesome, thanks for those valuable informations. I'll try both builds 🙂
fathom plaza
can bow's hidden aspect get "charged volley" upgrade from daedalus? wiki don't say no but i'm not sure, i only played a few runs with it though
robust anchor
@fathom plaza no
fathom plaza
thanks
barren bridge
last question, which hammers are priority for chiron please? :p
extra arrows I guess
fathom plaza
i like a lot the one that makes extra damage to armor
turbid needle
In order: Relentless Volley, Concentrated Volley, Piercing Volley.
smoky atlas
does anybody know what "favored & envied" is about
and how to reliably get that i guess
dry ember
I think that means you take 3 god trials?
like the one that offers two boons but with challenges
smoky atlas
oooh
also is there a minimum amount of boon rooms per run/biome?
sometimes i have runs that give me no boons until room 8 or so
feels really bad when that happens
stiff flume
what is the difference between athena and hades calls? isnt athena just straigt better?
both basically give you invincibility but athena lasts longer and deflects
i guess you always start with the 30% with hades aid
smoky atlas
||hades call gives you an amusing reaction from hades if you use it against him|| <- best reason
stiff flume
marsh pumice
But it gives you damage boost 
lavish wigeon
isn't it one hit damage boost
turbid needle
No, lasts a short time.
robust anchor
the full gauge gives a longer dmg boost
robust anchor
the small call gives one hit
turbid needle
It gives more than a single hit. Test it with the Rail and/or Lightning Strike.
It's pretty niche, but strong with the right build.
stiff flume
huh? damage boost? doesnt say so on it
lavish wigeon
it does
marsh pumice
100% damage boost for 5sec is good 
turbid needle
The Call in the boon menu goes into more detail.
limber pine
read the description for Hades Aid
stiff flume
what the hell
lavish wigeon
with athena + zeus boon for call damage boost, you can get 20%+ boost and invulnerability for 10+ seconds, plus you actually attack while invulnerable so you can attack more
you don't have to do any building for the hades bonus though so I see the benefit
turbid needle
My favorite is anything with Splitting Bolt.
lavish wigeon
advice for arthur? It seemed a big slow for my tastes
maybe i just need to rank it up more
red acorn
Athena on attack and dash for deflect
jaunty locust
....what happens if I put the empowering flight (after your special hits your next 2 attacks deal +80%" on top of the zeus shield
does that just mean as long as it's sawing through someone I'm going wild?
simple basin
how does the zeus special interact with chaos shield now? is it still good
jaunty locust
oh, I'da ssume so
I have teh zeus special on the zeus shield
good name, it works great
zeus special + jolted + strikes twice + zeus shield = dead achilles
oooohhhhhhhhh boy ohhhhhhhhhh boy here we go
unkempt zephyr
a lot of people said, and the dio cannot do as much damage as artemis or ares. Or zeus better.yes, of course.it was not full or great build.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/efth8ewod5kvoec/Gun Dio Art Ares.mp4?dl=0
turbid needle
btw
jaunty locust
Zagreus talks about Hercules a lot. I wonder if he'll show up so that Zag can get really embarrassingly fanboyish with him
turbid needle
Question for anyone familiar with the rest of the story
Does Theseus ever stop being an obnoxious ass?
hazy slate
not really, hes just an idiot
jaunty locust
would you ever want him to
turbid needle
Actually
jade rover
oh uh, hm. I've got a really fun chaos run going with posoidon strike and zues special, charged shot and empowered flight. Do I take Sea Storm or Second wave?
smoky atlas
or how can asterius be around him all the time without going crazy
hazy slate
sea storm is the enemies knocked away are zapped right
jade rover
ye
jade rover
I'm leaning that way too
hazy slate
second wave is that double knockback right?
unkempt zephyr
and second wave x2 know back effects. and its mean x2 damage from sea storm.
jade rover
Yeah but I'm being offered them both at the same time
hazy slate
but Dice is choosing between either of them
yeah, so like, i think Sea storm and if you get lucky later second wave
jade rover
Yeah, I think I'll go with that.
smoky atlas
do you have other zeus boons like double strike or jolted?
jade rover
jolted
unkempt zephyr
just choose what better for your complete build and you main damage source.
hazy slate
so you're basically always going to have priveleged right?
jade rover
I'm not running that mirror trait
hazy slate
oh oof
jade rover
I prefer the consistancy of the other one
jaunty locust
ok I got the demeter fists... not fully upgraded tho
smoky atlas
cuz double knockback imo is more valuable than a lightning strike if you cant take advantage of both rupture+jolted+that 50% dmg mirror trait
the second kb occurs like 1s after the first one, effectively disabling your target for another 2s
ofc on bosses sea storm is better
hazy slate
demeter fists is shines when its fully upgraded
jade rover
made a JOKE out of thesius, wow. Less than 20 seconds.
jade rover
I take more damage vs them than I do redacted.
jaunty locust
amazing, amazing, I got a mained flourish so I can't use my regular attack, so I'm going to be uppercutting all over the place like a SF4 ken player
hazy slate
lmao
jade rover
honestly with aphro special you don't even need to attack
jaunty locust
ok so yesterday we found out that the artemis dash works with the demeter dash upper.... Does that do anything with Breaching Cross?
jade rover
get dash cutter and aphro special with charged cutter and your run ends
jaunty locust
wait, but you need to attack to charge up the juice right?
hazy slate
i dont think breaching cross affects dash upper
yeah but like, it doesnt take that long
jaunty locust
oh yeah I mean the attack is just something I do to charge up the real damage
throwing a dio boon on it for stacking damage or a zeus to spread the ouchies around seems smart
but really it's the aphrodite special (Or artemis if you wanna go wild))
hazy slate
i think either explosive upper or the kick hammer is best for demeter fists
also yeah aphro or artemis are good on it
jaunty locust
yeah, I didn't get that, and no matter how many dice I have I can't convince the hambone to change
I don't think restarting the run would do anything either
hazy slate
just do your best
jaunty locust
ok what I will say is that breaching cutter does absolutely shred a lot of real annoying minibosses
the crystal can absolutely cause tons of problems if I have a bad setup or my build isn't online
armor damage bonuses can save a LOT of hp
jade rover
mm. Took one hit in redacted. Feels bad.
hazy slate
oof
jaunty locust
oh you were that close to death?
.... hold on, chaos boons can stackw ith themselves? I have a maimed flourish for 80, I can get the slippery flourish for an ADDITIONAL 68????
jade rover
Oh, no. I had 350 health and all of my DD
jaunty locust
OH like you only TOOK a hit
jade rover
I still haven't managed to get a true perfect in that fight
hazy slate
i feel like i get hit the most during redacted's first phase
jade rover
and yeah, chaos stacks
gilded nymph
how do you get more than 3 casts aside from well of charon and chaos?
jade rover
Artemis
gilded nymph
ooh
jaunty locust
artemis' legendary gives you TWO new casts
untold vortex
Hammers that specify dash strike do nothing for dash uppers
I don't know who asked, just saw it as I was scrolling through
jaunty locust
no, that was me
I know there was some confusion the previous day about the demeter fists + artemis dash
untold vortex
Dash strike boons affect dash upper (this includes chaos)
Dash strike hammers to not affect dash uppers
jaunty locust
arty WHY do you have to do me like this
I gotta choose between clean kill at epic or splitting headache???
untold vortex
In a similar way that attack boons affect dash strikes but attack hammers don't affect dash strikes
jaunty locust
gotcha gotcha
jaunty locust
ok, so dash strike BOONS affect dash attacks and dash uppers
untold vortex
Yep
jaunty locust
what about other dash things
...using an upper doesn't RESET the chargeup punch count, I can punch 11 times, upper, punch, upper, right?
hazy slate
it doenst reset chargeup punch
random light
Special does not reset Demeter count, and dash attack counts towards the stack
solid cairn
god damn eris rail is amazing
random light
@jaunty locust how’s that Demeter Fist treating you?
Have you acquired the BIG NUMBER?
jaunty locust
not yet
because It's only like level 2
only 2 bonus hits
...but I have artemis special on it, maimed flourish +80, and slippery flourish +68
and I'm well on my way to getting the aphro-arti boon
focusing on what gives me duo boons for synergy is BOY HOWDY a real gamechanger in terms of how I approach
hazy slate
oh thats nice
random light
RIP the double kick
hazy slate
explosive upper is nice still
random light
Explosive is awesome yeah
jaunty locust
getting such great luck for an only-level-2 fists is making my crey
also, it seems like the dash upper when charged doesn't do much less damage than regular upper
oh - does an upper reset the 12-hit clock?
hazy slate
no it doesn't
wicked notch
granma power
random light
Demeter Fists is my fave I’ll preach it until I die on the gods
I’m telling you Squeeq once you hit max level on that thing and get the double kick you’ll join me in the church of Dem Fist
spiral tree
is guan yu bad on higher heats?
jaunty locust
oh no I already real love it
unhealthy fixation PROBABLY not important
but if I pick it up, I can SELL IT
I wanna get the other duos
I'm not gonna be able to get all three 😦
fickle summit
Is there a build for maximizing getting gems?
unkempt zephyr
is guan yu bad on higher heats?
@spiral tree it's basic hard to use well. if you hadle this=>just go.
void zenith
@fickle summit Go for Poseidon
Ocean's bounty
And always go to chaos to get the gem gain boost
jaunty locust
what RVDZ said
if someone knows how to get more nectar
then you'd have my INTEREST
random light
Some of the rarer fish can be traded in for nectar
jaunty locust
alright, good to know
void zenith
Elysium fish trades for nectar, yeah
jaunty locust
hmmm, might be worthwhile to make every start have poseidon in case I get the john the fisherman boon
random light
Also if you use Fated Authority you can reroll to nectar quite often with a tiny bit of luck
I get a lot of nectar rolls
tidal edge
can also trade keys for nectar
spiral tree
guan yu damage is sick tho
hazy slate
the fisherboon has like, 2 reqs i think
random light
Which is nice because I have the thing where nectar gives me a random level
jaunty locust
oh that's actually a good point - I COULD switch to fated if my goal is "getting supplies" rather than "maximizing boon output"
yeah, I got that one
I tend to like trying to force boons for builds more
random light
I actually really like Guan Yu it’s my favorite of the spears
queen patrol
What r the best builds for chaos shield
void zenith
Fisher boon needs specifically ocean's bounty, and sunken treasure
random light
All I know for shield is doom on special lol
queen patrol
Wouldn’t Zeus be better
void zenith
So it's pretty hard to get, especially early
random light
On Chaos? No
jaunty locust
no, NOOO ||Hades wont' fight me||
hazy slate
lmao
void zenith
Chaos shield is very nice with Hangover
random light
Doom is more consistent damage and scaled better I think also you can spread it quite well with the bull rush spam
jaunty locust
I'm.... POSITIVE I got a fisher boon in the first room
jaunty locust
ohhhhh ok
random light
You may ||pass without fighting Hades||..... ONCE
queen patrol
doom on special, and look for upgrade to special damage for chaos
jaunty locust
I'm so sad
random light
But yeah special upgrades also priority
prime helm
Are there certain weapons and/or aspects that are more likely to grant you certain boons than others or is it all rng
void zenith
Prepare for feels, @jaunty locust
queen patrol
Does aretemis special work good with chaos especially for shotgunning
jaunty locust
I know, right? the first one was rough enough
artemis would work well with aphrodite attack, so you can rush through em and then unload directly in with the debuffs
hey, I've been too ||greece|| several times but I still haven't seen ||John Travolta|| or ||Olivia Newton-John|| is there something bugged with my game?
hazy slate
what?
jaunty locust
you know, the hit rock musical ||Grease||
brisk cairn
lmao
jaunty locust
everybody in teh underworld singing "tell me more" to Hades
although I guess Summer Lovin' wouldn't work considering
random light
jaunty locust
Dusa would be possibly the only person having fun
void zenith
I think Hypnos would get a kick out of it too
jaunty locust
Hypnos is the tech and misses every single lighting cue
the spotlight is always a full second behind whoever is onstage
random light
Zeus Shield looks like a lot of fun but man shield is just not my weapon
onyx parcel
Same
cosmic vale
i like shield because i like getting a good flourish and spamming the special while running away
jaunty locust
uhh, okay so zeus shield and zeus special is REAL fun, because each hit causes everybody in it to get smacked by lightning
grab the jolted upgrade, keep going down that general path, can do a lot of damage
only real problem is it's slow, so it only works if you're good at gauging the distance of the shield and where a big boss is gonna end up. However, it CAN saw through enemies pretty quickly
I have trouble because what I do a lot is focus too much on setting the discus up that I just get clobbered
fierce thicket
I like demeter's call with it to make it easier to keep stuff on the shield
simple trail
eh hidden spear need at least like 400 hp to be consistent
random light
Just don't get hit XD
I know hidden spear is hit or miss with most folks, but I really do enjoy it
love taking Rapid Spin and going spin to win builds
jaunty locust
5-dash combo athena, immune to damage
random light
probably not the best at higher heats but it's so fun
simple trail
for me hidden fists is most fun
random light
i'm ride or die Demeter Fists, ngl I haven't used any other Fists Aspects
fierce thicket
Actually I think people use GY special builds to gret success at higher heats
Not sure about top heats though
simple trail
magnetic fists is very nice when combined with poseidon boons
random light
Actually I think people use GY special builds to gret success at higher heats
Yeah, I know special builds are more "meta" but spin to win fun
or something
@cosmic vale The hidden aspect unlock guides are pinned in the story and spoiler server
you don't have to beat the secret boss for it
fierce thicket
Hidden fists were a huge dissapointment for me since they are my fav weapon
simple trail
wdym
jaunty locust
I'm gonna cry. I want the hidden aspects so bad
random light
yeah I'm not the biggest fan of hidden fists.... but that's mostly because I just spam Demeter lol
i'm biased, i'll admit it
fierce thicket
I love fists but the hidden aspect is underwhelming
simple trail
the normal atks just dish out massive dmg since its not just a rapid straight line anymore, its like a faster smaller ||arthur||
random light
not a fan of the maim tbh
fierce thicket
Might as well use the sword then, since that fist aspect has a bunch of bad hammers
Maim is just bad...
As well as the attack that applies it
simple trail
the maim got like 400ish dmg with 50% dmg bonus and slow with a hammer
random light
this is true, but i'd rather get double kick on demeter and crit for some BIG NUMBERS
simple trail
isnt double kick base dmg is lower than the hidden special base dmg
solid cairn
eris is actually so busted
robust anchor
a great aspect for sure
unkempt zephyr
yup. eris can do 500-700 crits from dio poison.
solid cairn
it's not just that
random light
isnt double kick base dmg is lower than the hidden special base dmg
@simple trail yes, but since Demeter hits extra times, that slight drop to the damage doesn't matter i believe
solid cairn
it makes zeus attack even better
simple trail
@simple trail yes, but since Demeter hits extra times, that slight drop to the damage doesn't matter i believe
@random light then y dont just use the special drop hammer instead
random light
because double kick is fun
simple trail
okay
jaunty locust
I need to figure out what Eris does and hwo it works
random light
yeah Hestia is only next shot
Eris is a buff, not a permanent buff obviously, but more than one shot
jaunty locust
ohhhh
simple trail
even with hazard bomb, u can still use the aspect to absolutely cheese the enemies
random light
Triple Bomb with Eris monkaS
although it probably doesn't triple the buff
;-;
if only
simple trail
i got eris with spread bomb + triple bomb + hazard bomb once
literally deletes the enemies
unkempt pagoda
eris buff lasts 8 seconds, and can be refreshed
marsh idol
God I hate Exagryph so much
jaunty locust
Ohhhhhhhhhhh okay okay I get it I get it
marsh idol
What do yall build on Zag spear?
jaunty locust
so you use the eris aspect as a global damage buff, so your like, zeus attack boons (I'm guessing?) just goes absolutely hamm
simple trail
the only exagryph i hate is ||lucifer||
marsh idol
Makes sense
unkempt pagoda
zeus or dio
but literally anything can work on it lol, since it's global
had an eris'd poseidon call do 1k per hit
one of my best eris runs had splitting headache/curse of nausea/low tolerance/heart rend/hunting blades
simple trail
imagine that poseidon call with zeus/aphro duo
hushed sun
huh
I had so much fun with one-shot hestia tho
although it does give me a hard time dealing with anything that has more than 800 health
or armored
or damage control
or already hurt by a trap
uhh, on second thought, might not be that fun
jaunty locust
OH RIGHT RIGHT because it's global all your ticks do more too
random light
For his neutral special, Zagreus wields a GUN blasts Lernie with empowered Eris Rail
fierce thicket
This tempts me into a splitting headache eris build
hushed sun
ooh
vital roost
Which is better from Eurydice, +4 levels or +2 rarity. Seems like you get better damage from levels
jaunty locust
every time I switch to animal crossing for a bit I keep pressing R when I get to a door
hushed sun
"Nope, not that button"
jaunty locust
it depends, Zyn
random light
Which is better from Eurydice, +4 levels or +2 rarity. Seems like you get better damage from levels
@vital roost It depends, some boons scale better with rarity, if you have a bunch of boons better for the levels, but with few boons you can get the rarity
jaunty locust
if you have a boon you really like you can hope or roll for the rarity bonus
random light
if you get the rarity boost on a boon that's core for your build it's MASSIVE
jaunty locust
or if you don't have a ton of boons at that point
also, Eurydice is one of the INCREDIBLY FEW ways to up a boon's rarity
random light
Rare Crop underrated
jaunty locust
yeah but if you don't get it early enough on
random light
or whatever that Demeter boon is called
fickle summit
random light
idk even if you get it at the end of Elysium, Styx will let you scoop max rank pretty fast
hushed sun
Which is better from Eurydice, +4 levels or +2 rarity. Seems like you get better damage from levels
levels, if you want something now and instant; rarity if you have a few specific boons that you know you will use and plan to pick up more poms on the way
void zenith
Another thing is that there's diminishing returns for levels - if you just have a few boons and it's likely that Eurydice will hit one of your main ones, I'd say go for rarity