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#h1-builds-and-combat
hushed sun
no, curses are only from the gods
status from weapons doesnt count iirc
Huh
yeah that makes more sense
why would the gods grant more damage to some weird effect caused by some ancient unknown person who's not even greek
fickle summit
https://twitter.com/SpiderOuija/status/1312933127568809984?s=20
I'm literally dead, rip blade.
unkempt pagoda
PS specifically mentions "status curses", these status effects are pointed out as "status curses" in their tooltip
turbid needle
by far i love the hammer change of fist special into the powerful upperkick
dont know if its good overall or not
random light
by far i love the hammer change of fist special into the powerful upperkick
dont know if its good overall or not
@turbid needle If you're talking about the double kick special I LOVE that one, especially with Demeter Fists and Artemis Special
unkempt pagoda
for example, when you mouse over Weak, the description in the tooltip starts with "Status curse: etc"
hushed sun
oe
hazy slate
i like it the kick especially with demeter
random light
Demeter Fists best Fists
turbid needle
my first run with the kick was also with Demeter and it feel so good to play
jaunty locust
oh man I'm excited to get to work with some of these. So little blood
turbid needle
again, do you guys know how to build Gilgamesh
really need some advice cause i just cant dish out as much damage as Demeter
random light
Oh it’s great
again, do you guys know how to build Gilgamesh
really need some advice cause i just cant dish out as much damage as Demeter
it’s going to be very hard to match Demeter damage with the other fists
hushed sun
agreed
turbid needle
yeah Demeter is too good
random light
You get a lot of dashes on 4th Aspect Fists so maybe Artemis Dash?
hushed sun
don't expect demeter-level damage from other aspects, demeter is literally built around nuking with special
turbid needle
Demeter with that ground slam at the end from the hammer is even spicier
random light
Kinetic Launcher Demeter is fun but definitely not as good as explosive dash special or the kick
hushed sun
Kinetic Launcher Demeter is fun but definitely not as good as explosive dash special or the kick
ooh i gotta try this
unkempt zephyr
again, do you guys know how to build Gilgamesh
really need some advice cause i just cant dish out as much damage as Demeter
@turbid needle Easy way its ruthles reflex in mirror(green dash) and take athena attack. add some artemis for Duo on crit chance. use backstab and marks. im closing 32 heat with this.
fickle summit
Died in a Styx chamber, not even to Hades, never died in a Styx chamber with no heat before, have gone full runs with bow without even getting poisoned whhhyyyy what is wrong with me and this blade
random light
I got the charge special hammer too, so I go up to a boss and blast them in the face
hushed sun
burstfire fist™️
random light
Died in a Styx chamber, not even to Hades, never died in a Styx chamber with no heat before, have gone full runs with bow without even getting poisoned whhhyyyy what is wrong with me and this blade
@fickle summit nemesis blade?
fickle summit
Yeah
random light
When I struggled with blade I found that Athena Special was pretty useful along with the dash
Especially on Nemesis since you spam special to get the crit anyways
hazy slate
i personally like aphro on attack and demeter on special
turbid needle
Nemesis seem too meh compare to other sword
fickle summit
I didn't get Athena's special or dash
random light
Demeter Special for Nemesis?
hazy slate
i just like the slow
random light
Nemesis seem too meh compare to other sword
@Mr.Jason#5791 nemesis is best dps out of the swords
hushed sun
Nemesis seem too meh compare to other sword
crits go brrrrrrt
hazy slate
yeah it really is
random light
Crit build best build no I’m not biased
unkempt zephyr
Nemesis seem too meh compare to other sword
@turbid needle And build be better if you add aphro on special. to negate additional damage from miam.
hushed sun
unless you do facetank a lot, in which case go excalibur
which i do a lot, since frame lag
jaunty locust
a rough styx chamber can be R O U G H. Aphro is great for attacks.
random light
@turbid needle And build be better if you add aphro on special. to negate additional damage from miam.
@unkempt zephyr for nemesis better to go Aphro on Attack, get the best damage modifier
fickle summit
I could be dealing 1,000 damage with the blade and still die honestly I'm just taking alot of hits.
unkempt zephyr
random light
Also Heart Rend
hushed sun
artemis aid lol
turbid needle
wait so what god give the highest damage boost to attack or special?
Aphro? or Demeter with the occassional crit?
random light
I could be dealing 1,000 damage with the blade and still die honestly I'm just taking alot of hits.
@fickle summit it takes time, I know I struggled a lot with sword originally too, I used to be a Bow boi
hushed sun
big nuke
random light
wait so what god give the highest damage boost to attack or special?
Aphro? or Demeter with the occassional crit?
@Mr.Jason#5791 for raw damage numbers, Aphro always has the highest modifiers
hazy slate
aphro gives biggest damage numbers
random light
Assuming rarity is the same
hushed sun
aphro
jaunty locust
yeah.
hazy slate
i mean, theres artemis, but for nemesis sword its kind of redundant
unkempt zephyr
athena not for super damage. athena for save. becaus when you dash strike you like with athena dash. But its still good. becaus invinsible when you attack and 80+ damage better than 100 and less 30% takened.
random light
Artemis boons for Nemesis are more along the lines of Clean Kill, Killer Instinct, Hide Breaker
turbid needle
so if i were to play with Nemesis, do i put Aphro or Demeter on attack?
random light
Aphrodite
hazy slate
aprho
turbid needle
and Special?
hazy slate
i just prefer demeter on special for priveleged and the slow
unkempt zephyr
im talkin about gilgames)
random light
I would say Athena if you want deflect
hushed sun
artemis and nemesis feels like IWILLcrit you and kill me if I don't
neon cave
I had a lot of success with demeter on attack, aphro on special and all the misc crit boost boons from artemis on nemesis
athena on attack is nice too
random light
I say Aphro on Attack because of Heart Rend specifically
Very good synergy on Nemesis if you use Aphro Attack and snag Heart Rend
The built in crit gets the boost from its own attack because of Aphro Attack + the Duo
It’s +50% critdamage
random light
The special on Nemesis is a bit more flexible, but definitely Aphrodite for your Attack
neon cave
sword is generally safer than fists in my experience
neon cave
I don't feel like I take a lot of damage, the thrust has good range
fickle summit
Maybe I should be using cast more? Idk.
hushed sun
from personal experience
neon cave
I've seen speedruns of people wrecking with poseidon sword
robust anchor
nemesis is the glass cannon aspect because you use your dashes always offensively
unkempt zephyr
take both on nemesis sword. take demeter attack. and aphro dash. its less damage. but much save. becaus enemy. specialy bosses moves much more slower. and more time to react.
hushed sun
if you do a fist run, somehow you never get to stop dashing
random light
Poseidon Sword, get Artemis cast, Poseidon Call or Special and then snag the Mirage Shot Duo, snag Exit Wounds and go to town
hushed sun
oh lol
random light
Bonus points if you can get extra cast ammo
hushed sun
fully loaded on that
fickle summit
How do you just get those things though, that's alot of odds right
hushed sun
feels amazing
unkempt zephyr
random light
You can force a few boons with the trinkets
unkempt zephyr
some thing like this
hushed sun
How do you just get those things though, that's alot of odds right
somehow happens more often than we could possibly imagine
neon cave
seeing poseidon call crit for 2500 damage is always fun
hushed sun
maybe just because I grind a lot of time on hades
jaunty locust
poseidon sword for push, artemis cast... mirage shot.. okay I don't know what all those do haha
random light
How do you just get those things though, that's alot of odds right
@fickle summit you can force Artemis with her trinket and then if Poseidon doesn’t show up, force him in the next region. But yes there’s luck involved but you’d be surprised how often you can pull off the build you want
Especially once you get a lot of Darkness into your Mirror
jaunty locust
you can also savescum (shh) for an initial boon. If none of the first ones are the flavor you want, you can pick a build that you DO want
random light
That +10% Duo chance Mirror Talenr is huuuge
hushed sun
poseidon sword
dislodges bloodstones stuck in foe
Artemis cast
heat seeking missiles with crit chance
Mirage shot
artemis/poseidon duo, adds in another smol cast that will deal 30% damage
jaunty locust
oh poseidon SPECIAL gotcha gotcha
random light
you can also savescum (shh) for an initial boon. If none of the first ones are the flavor you want, you can pick a build that you DO want
I did a huge post on how seeds work, it’s somewhere in this chat if you search by my name
jaunty locust
I can TLDR it if you want, for the at least very very basic savescumming
the second smol cast is just for bonus damage, it doesnt' give you exit wound right?
fickle summit
World splitter, shadow slash, or cruel thrust.
Game is starting me off with a hammer and I really don't know.
random light
Mirage Shot is wonderful
turbid needle
are Ares' blade rifts even good without Hera bow?
the dps is horrendous even with Hera
have to specifically build to get the blade rift with duo from artemis
and its kinda decent, not game-breaking
unkempt zephyr
artemis cast for poseidon sword... jesus dont use. use poseidon with cast poseidon. becaus its room clearing. and with poweidon sword its endless clearing. and you can get 30% more damage from boon vs Boss. and can add artemis for mirage.
random light
Artemis Cast is excellent on Poseidon Sword though
hushed sun
but artemis is the waifu
jaunty locust
I only know what world splitter does and I don't love it unless I'm really building for power
random light
but artemis is the waifu
@hushed sun exquisite taste
unkempt zephyr
artemis cast worst what can be takened/
hushed sun
artemis cast for poseidon sword... jesus dont use. use poseidon with cast poseidon. becaus its room clearing. and with poweidon sword its endless clearing. and you can get 30% more damage from boon vs Boss. and can add artemis for mirage.
tbh artemis cast really isn't the best cast out there, I sorta agree
but doesn't really matter on low heat runs I think
random light
Poseidon cast is lots of fun with Blizzard Shot Duo
jaunty locust
since the build revolves around getting stones INTO someone and then tearing them OUT, it probably is the best cast
blizzard shot uhh
random light
Artemis cast hasn’t failed me yet on Poseidon sword
turbid needle
for real though, is it me or Ares' dash and cast feel like the weakest ?
jaunty locust
I do not use ares' dash. Ares' CAST can do ok, against less mobile enemies it really tears em up
random light
for real though, is it meor Ares' dash and cast feel like the weakest ?
@Mr.Jason#5791 they’re not great, unless you’re really going all in on enhancing Rifts
unkempt zephyr
comparin with artemis cast.
i deffenetry can do every thing with this poseidon cast. becaus poseidon legendary do second proc of sea storm. and mirage shot dont do huge damage.But its another know back effect and with poseidon legendary it 2 know back effects. in total ONE cast do x2 slams.and mirage do another x2 slams. base damage on slams boon 100. epic 200. that mean my cast minimum do 400 damage from slams. 800 at epic. if i take 2 boons its 1600. and i dont add base cast damage and Sea storm procs for this. and lvl for slam boons damage.
hushed sun
since the build revolves around getting stones INTO someone and then tearing them OUT, it probably is the best cast
It also sorta needs you to constantly repeat distancing yourself from the enemies and doing dash special if needed, so poseidon dash and cast also helps somewhat
blade rift ew
turbid needle
why would you Artemis cast when you got something like Zeus or Poseidon cast who are much better?
hushed sun
Unless you aim to make a mobile Vitamix, don't
why would you Artemis cast when you got something like Zeus or Poseidon cast who are much better?
because waifu
turbid needle
ill only choose Artemis for big chunky hit
random light
also I'm biased towards Crit builds
hushed sun
also I'm biased towards Crit builds
man of culture
jaunty locust
yeah I think it's for an exit wounds build, so you want her anyway
unkempt zephyr
big chunky hit. from poseidon. one cast use= room clear.
hushed sun
Imagine the chaos that would ensue if exit wounds trigged from poseidon special
random light
man of culture
@hushed sun It's why my server nickname is what it is, earlier it was "Crit Caveman" because me like big number me build crit unga bunga
XD
hushed sun
oh
jaunty locust
Bignumber, you'd like this
hushed sun
hence big number, lol
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B I G N U M B E R
turbid needle
i always pick Arthur Artemis
should or maybe shouldnt change it
hushed sun
arther and artemis?
hushed sun
how does that- oh
jaunty locust
I got artemis on the regular attack of the rail, and then the ability that gets you marked on other enemies, and had hazard bomb and aphrodite on the hazard bomb
I was critting the last boss for 1908 damage
hushed sun
1908
random light
Have you ever seen Aphrodite max out gauge crit with Heart Rend?
jaunty locust
d e l i c i o u s
unkempt zephyr
I was critting the last boss for 1908 damage
@jaunty locust Respectbl!
random light
i felt kinda dirty
turbid needle
Arthur Artemis is spicy for better or for worse
jaunty locust
also: the bomb can go over the little obstacles in the last boss arena, which Hooooo boy
hushed sun
Have you ever seen Aphrodite max out gauge crit with Heart Rend?
did that blast straight through the impervious shields the bosses get between phases
random light
I wish, but it did send ol Papa Hades right back home the second he did his phase change in stage 2
He was like "ENOUGH" and I was like "u rite u rite"
jaunty locust
amazing
random light
and i had ol Aphro smack him in the face
hushed sun
I never thought aphro call was good untill i tasted that 2500 damage
jaunty locust
that has to be a pretty lucky chance to get that to crit
hushed sun
b a n g
random light
I tend to Pom Pressure Points any chance I get
jaunty locust
it's so good!
random light
so I was at what, like 10% omnicrit?
hushed sun
I tend to Pom Pressure Points any chance I get
Also man of culture
random light
Bro I love Pressure Points
jaunty locust
uhh, quick question... how much HP to bosses havea t base
turbid needle
for the veterans out there
is Hades' call good on high heat? the only thing i found useful is the great call, the smaller calls are barely useful
random light
Pressure Points and Support Fire yahooooo
hushed sun
I know it's a really inefficient use of poms, but it feels good
random light
it really does
for the veterans out there
is Hades' call good on high heat? the only thing i found useful is the great call, the smaller calls are barely useful
@turbid needle I'm not the biggest proponent of Hades Call, I think Poseidon Call is the High Heat meta rn?
And Dionysus
jaunty locust
hey, I've heard that dio's hangover ticks can get REALLY high damage, but idk how it works
jaunty locust
yeah but up to 5, I usually get it up to like, maybe 10 damage a tick?
so that's like, 50
turbid needle
poison and doom can proc off pressure point
random light
yeah but like that's what per half sec?
hushed sun
for the veterans out there
is Hades' call good on high heat? the only thing i found useful is the great call, the smaller calls are barely useful
precisely why they give you starting gauge bonus
jaunty locust
oh no, 50 per half sec
hazy slate
how does doom work with priviliged?
random light
It counts as one status curse
jaunty locust
if they have the doom going, it's
OH actually, that reminds me
the ares aphro mix
that's as long as they're weak they keep taking minor doom damage right?
hushed sun
halves every time, yes
random light
I never use Ares outside his Death Defiance damage buff and Urge to Kill I honestly couldn’t tell you what that man does
jaunty locust
OH so it halves every time from the previous time
hushed sun
iirc yeah
jaunty locust
does that still go off if you refresh doom, or does that start it up again
turbid needle
feel like the Ares and Aphro duo isnt as good as i might think
i mean isnt applying a new doom better?
jaunty locust
and also: if that's going on and it keeps halving, does that extend the two-statuses?
hushed sun
feel like the Ares and Aphro duo isnt as good as i might think
i mean isnt applying a new doom better?
Yup, but you could also go dooming everybody else in that time
dooming
jaunty locust
it is, but usually you have aphro on your primary damage attack because it amps it up so hard
so like, you'd put ares on a shield special becuase it hits harder and you can blanket the level in it, and then go to town witht eh aphro jab
hushed sun
and also: if that's going on and it keeps halving, does that extend the two-statuses?
I think yeah, I haven't used much curse of longing to verify
jaunty locust
hey, for all you DDR oldheads out there: some sort of build called the AphroNova. Get it? Get it?
random light
Worse than the stupid Styx rats and satyrs
turbid needle
huh so Aphro not only weaken the enemies but also deal the highest damage for special and attack?
kinda OP now that i think about it
random light
Power of love
jaunty locust
weakened, by itself, without anything else, is one of hte more underwhelming debuffs
because it only does something if you're already getting hit
random light
Taking less damage is nice yeah but like he said Weak isn’t the best debuff
hushed sun
huh so Aphro not only weaken the enemies but also deal the highest damage for special and attack?
kinda OP now that i think about it
also gives you extra boon that will amp up your damage against weak foes
random light
Those raw %mods are Aphro biggest quality
But if you can get charm or additional damage against weak and stuff
The weak is really strong
turbid needle
i mean survivability is still survivability
take 10 hit from Hades' spin with Aphro debuff make him barely deal as much damage anymore
hushed sun
you'd expect ares to give you some muscle on your damage cause he's the god of war
jaunty locust
oh yeah for sure
like, I enjoy cursed slash and all that other fun little survivability regen abilities
random light
you'd expect ares to give you some muscle on your damage cause he's the god of war
@hushed sun Kratos is about to take his job, Olympus is having budget cuts, it’s been a rough year
hushed sun
oh non, love is the most powerful thing known to man and gods
hazy slate
i mean, the damage on doom proc is pretty nice
jaunty locust
but if you're good at evasion it's not quite as big
hushed sun
lol Kratos on hades
random light
Gimme Aspect of Kratos Fists Supergiant bls
turbid needle
Guan Yu 's big spin attack heal just let me full hp after beating Hades
hushed sun
come to think of it kratos has a similar physique to hades
random light
Also Aspect of Red Stygius lol
come to think of it kratos has a similar physique to hades
@hushed sun he even calls his son BOY all the time
hazy slate
i mean, Hades' beard is much better
hushed sun
but if you're good at evasion it's not quite as big
protip
random light
Idk Kratos beard got that FLOW
jaunty locust
I mean, if I'm being snarky, I feel like athena dash and a lucky hermes multi dash... you don't need anything else to win
turbid needle
Kratos from God of war still feel like some teenage boy try to write a fanfiction where his char can kill anything
old games not the newest one, or maybe its still is?idk
hushed sun
I mean, if I'm being snarky, I feel like athena dash and a lucky hermes multi dash... you don't need anything else to win
virtually invincible
hazy slate
i mean, i think on higher heat you need more than just athena dash
jaunty locust
no Jason you're thinking of WH40k 😛
random light
Yeah honestly improving your ability to not get hit goes a super long way which is like “hey you don’t say” but like it opens up a lot of avenues like High Confidence
I mean God of War is a Hack N Slash killing everything is the point
Although the new God of War was less HnS but I loved it the most lol
jaunty locust
I got ok at learning how to dash through monster roars with Evasion +1, I can learn how to dash through nonsense here
random light
Monster roars from Monster Hunter?
jaunty locust
yeah. In monster hunter if they roar you cower for a moment
random light
Those gave me headaches, I could never dodge those lmao
jaunty locust
oh wasn't sure if you knew or not
random light
Yeah i just got earplugs so I wouldn’t have to deal with it lmao
jaunty locust
it's HARD, it's REAL hard, and sometimes i need an evasion +2, and it's not reliable
but I have before
(I mean, also, if they're roaring they aren't attacking, so it's not like you lose THAT much)
turbid needle
another one for the veterans
is it better to take the bloodstone regen and hopefully get 1 more from Chaos or take the 3 bloodstone but collect and hopefully get Hermes' legendary?
random light
I wish Zagreus would wear shoes, walking in Asphodel or Tartarus barefoot can’t be good for your health
hushed sun
another one for the veterans
is it better to take the bloodstone regen and hopefully get 1 more from Chaos or take the 3 bloodstone but collect and hopefully get Hermes' legendary?
Depends on build
random light
I mean his feet are on fire
So maybe he sterilizes the ground anyways
But like come on snag some shoes man
Get those Ancient Greek crocs
hushed sun
not exclusively to high heat, but as a general rule that applies to any difficulties honestly
jaunty locust
I'm imagining zag with a gigantic collection of hideous sneakerhead shoes that he can't wear because they'll melt. Everybody is like "What's the point" and he's all "shut up"
turbid needle
his feet is so hot he cant even feel pain from stepping on broken glass/vase
but can still feel magma?
hazy slate
the magma sets him on fire
jaunty locust
Jason I need you to understand how hot magma is
hushed sun
I'm imagining zag with a gigantic collection of hideous sneakerhead shoes that he can't wear because they'll melt. Everybody is like "What's the point" and he's all "shut up"
They're all tucked underneath the massive pile of seats and beds he never will use
random light
I need you to understand how hot magma is
It’s like at least three degrees
Pretty warm stuff
jaunty locust
Work Order: Pumped Up Kicks
quasi folio
so killing hades with zues build on rail was easy mode suggestions for shield throw aspect? and the fists i believe doom is believed to be very good?
random light
Work Order: “What are These?”
turbid needle
done a quick search on google
glass take 1400-1600C to melt while magma is usually 1300C only in rare occasion reach 1600C
jaunty locust
oh no I just mean that like, they're tough enough for glass, but not tough enough for magma
normal people can walk on glass if they're careful
hushed sun
normal people can walk on glass if they're careful
what
jaunty locust
you take it slow, you brush the pointy bits down before you step, and if it's sharp, you don't put weight down
random light
It’s not like we’re talking about LEGO it’s just glass XD
stoic roost
You can also walk on burning hot coals pretty easily too.
neon cave
what would you guys say is the strongest 4th aspect?
hazy slate
i mean, in my experience, Arthur or Beowulf
turbid needle
Zag run at full speed on glass while a small magma pool on the ground, not even the whole sea/lake of magma, and still somehow catch him on fire and slow him down
hazy slate
those two are the ones I like the most
hushed sun
Lucifer
random light
what would you guys say is the strongest 4th aspect?
@neon cave Rama
Hands down Rama, imo
hazy slate
i havent tried rama yet
jaunty locust
nobody knows what magma feels like. Maybe it's sticky
turbid needle
Guan Yu?
jaunty locust
I'm dying to get these things
hazy slate
mainly because it feels kinda clunky
stoic roost
Arthur would be mine.
hushed sun
Hands down Rama, imo
you really have similar opinions with me don't you
jaunty locust
achilles is my enemy now
hazy slate
why
neon cave
would you say it's better than chiron?
random light
I think it’s equal to Chiron at the least
jaunty locust
why is he my enemy?
random light
Rama takes a lot less investment for sure
jaunty locust
oh no someone else haha
turbid needle
Chiron is so good
i just switch between the 2 really
hushed sun
nobody knows what magma feels like. Maybe it's sticky
Technically, like a rock. Density of magma varies on the type, but it's at least something like 2 tonnes per cubic meter.
hushed sun
So no, golum wouldn't be sucked in the lava, but will fall and go splat
turbid needle
zeus special on chiron bow and you just hide behind pillar most of the time
hushed sun
would you say it's better than chiron?
Depends on what you go for
jaunty locust
gollum weighed seven thousand pounds
gray juniper
is it good to start runs with olympian god keepstakes to kind of force builds?
hushed sun
Chiron is like real safe bow, it lacks the dps and utility a bit but you can just scoot away and special
jaunty locust
if you're aiming for a specific build - yes!
random light
is it good to start runs with olympian god keepstakes to kind of force builds?
@gray juniper usually yes
hushed sun
Rama is more vigorous and fast-paced I feel like
random light
They buffed Rama recently too
hushed sun
gollum weighed seven thousand pounds
in whicn case, fair enough
also would have to have broken frodo's arm but fair
random light
But make no mistake I been Rama Gang since Blood Price update 😤😤
young ether
Or Hera for big number snipe
bright flint
@turbid needle zeus special on chiron is not that good sadly because there are cooldown between each lightning strike
random light
For Chiron special I like Poseidon
gray juniper
how do you unlock the secret aspect for weapons?
random light
Take Rupture and such
how do you unlock the secret aspect for weapons?
@gray juniper there’s a guide in the pinned somewhere
hushed sun
zeus special on chiron is not that good sadly because there are cooldown between each lightning strike
.2 sec internal cooldown, yeah
gray juniper
ok ty
turbid needle
usually spend 5 titan blood on the weapons
young ether
how do you unlock the secret aspect for weapons?
@gray juniper Check the pin in spoiler channel
turbid needle
but some like Lucifer can be a tad bit RNG where you just have to wait for the conversations to come up even if you have spent 5 titan bloods on that weapon
so cast wise? Poseidon is the best?
hushed sun
also, please refrain from lucifer, it's fun while it lasts, which is like 10 chambers
jaunty locust
yeah, I'm in that trouble with GY
because ||Achiles|| is giving me advice for TWO different quests
I'm gonna start just throwing myself into death's embrace so I can get this faster
hushed sun
so cast wise? Poseidon is the best?
Again, depends, but if you're looking for distanced high damage cast, sure, poseidon
random light
Poseidon is very accessible too, straightforward stuff
jaunty locust
poseidon does good range damage, is fast, and also can demolish mobs, so it's honestly pretty good
poseidon's boons stack well I feel
but I never get him when I'm playing a weapon that wants him
turbid needle
i need to try Dio special and Demeter attack on Lucifer just to feel how horrendous it will go down
jaunty locust
I don't want poseidon attack on fists! Don't go away!
random light
Poseidon’s boons have amazing self synergy
hushed sun
I'm gonna start just throwing myself into death's embrace so I can get this faster
HS and full RI for quick trip back home lol
random light
Rupture is some wack stuff
jaunty locust
I have a quick question - the "does stuff when pushed" does that proc on bosses even though you can't really shove em around
hushed sun
I don't want poseidon attack on fists! Don't go away!
Meanwhile, talos...
jaunty locust
I don't know what either of those acronyms mean cat
hushed sun
I have a quick question - the "does stuff when pushed" does that proc on bosses even though you can't really shove em around
iirc there's a specific poseidon boon that will do extra push damage on bosses
heightened security and routine inspection
random light
There is a Boon that makes Knockback do extra damage to bosses
jaunty locust
OH just stand on the ouchies
hushed sun
yes
random light
Without it, Knockback doesn’t have bonuses to bosses
worn prism
aspect of zeus + hunting blades is fun
jaunty locust
ooookay. Because it was uhh.
sorry I'm playing animal crossing right now I can't check the boons
turbid needle
there are quite many filler Poseidon boons though
like gaining/buff gaining resources or slamming foes into barriers, still dont know what that one do and how it even work on bosses
hushed sun
Hypnos will say things along the line of Git gud but that's what you're waging for
random light
The slamming into barriers one is “when you smack stuff into walls with Knockback”
Usually makes a big water kaboom
Or does extra wall smack damage
sharp anvil
If you already meet the prerequisites for a duo boon and you enter one of those double boon rooms, can you get a duo boon from it?
random light
You should be able to
worn prism
i think so
random light
Just takes some luck
If you meet the requirements you can get the Duo from those gods any time you get a boon from them if you got the RNG on your side
jaunty locust
ah - Razor Shoals: you don't relaly knock bosses away, does it still rupture? Does second wave do things to bosses?
hushed sun
there are quite many filler Poseidon boons though
like gaining/buff gaining resources or slamming foes into barriers, still dont know what that one do and how it even work on bosses
Imagine a poseidon boon pickup with Ocean's Bounty, Sunken Treasure, and Huge Catch
random light
Does Huge Catch affect his pickups though?
jaunty locust
||sugar daddy||
solid violet
Hello friends. Anybody know if Ares Blade Rift will proc the "damage from behind" passive?
jaunty locust
nope! Casts don't
random light
Cast only backstabs IF you have the Athena and Aphrodite Duo
hushed sun
Using knock-away effects also Rupture foes.
Does not necessarily require you to actually knock away foes, you just need to attack with something that can knock foes away
turbid needle
is there any different between Aphro and Athena' damage reduction boon(not the weak effect)?
i think Aphro is only for melee?
jaunty locust
ooh ok
hushed sun
at least iirc
solid violet
oK thank you :]
jaunty locust
so with second wave, it'll not only rupture, but it'll deal extra boss damage
random light
is there any different between Aphro and Athena' damage reduction boon(not the weak effect)?
i think Aphro is only for melee?
@Mr.Jason#5791 I’m not sure, those boons always confused me
I think Athena resists all?
Except bosses
hazy slate
really?
random light
Unless you get the Athena and Poseidon Duo
hushed sun
so with second wave, it'll not only rupture, but it'll deal extra boss damage
There's a reason why it's a legendary, 'cause it's an absolute legend
random light
Then you resist bosses
bright flint
yeah for aphro you need to be close to the damage source
hushed sun
aphro damage negation specifies nearby foes iirc
jaunty locust
wait -- I thought that poseidon had a special that made you pull bloodstones out of people
hazy slate
yeah
hushed sun
wait -- I thought that poseidon had a special that made you pull bloodstones out of people
Sword's Poseidon aspect does
jaunty locust
OHHH okay THAT'S why I was confused.
random light
It’s just the weapon aspect that has his name on it yeah
hushed sun
that'd be super op tho imagine
hushed sun
endless possibilities with mirage shot
oblique forge
spear to me is just kinda sword with reach
hushed sun
Hunting sword
jaunty locust
yeah, the mirage shot, exit wounds, poseidon sword feels like a fun build.
turbid needle
Poseidon sword can be pretty fun for specific cast build
random light
I mean lord knows I run Fists or Bow most of the time but Sword is Def my number three
oblique forge
I run spear, bow, and fists
worn prism
i havent tried poseidon aspect yet, does cast damage cap @ 50%?
random light
The boost? Yes
worn prism
havent leveled it up at all so wasnt sure
random light
But like that’s just off Poseidon Aspect, other cast buffs can make it go even higher as always
turbid needle
Poseidon aspect to boost Zeus cast or poseidon cast himself
jaunty locust
support fire has a cooldown like the zeus special right?
hushed sun
not that i know of
random light
I mean I’ve gone pretty fast on Rail attack and gotten Support Fire on every hit before
Support Fire is great
Another reason Artemis is best deity
hushed sun
I tried support fire with super high fire rate rail, it triggers all right
solemn sundial
Is stubborn roots bugged? It doesnt heal me neither in or out of combat.
random light
Stubborn Roots is heal when no death defiance right?
random light
worn prism
i tried to make a "leaf shield" build with zag shield and support fire lol
jaunty locust
right, but I mean support fire with like, chiron bow
hushed sun
Stubborn roots is my second go-to when artemis ghosts me for some reason
turbid needle
Stubborn need to be 50%, 1 death defiance but even lower than death defiance is just so weak
jaunty locust
the one that zeus doesn't work with
random light
Shield is not the best way to go for Support Fire
jaunty locust
oh she does that for you too? Shows up for one boon and is gone
random light
But I respect the goal
bright flint
chiron special only proc once support fire i think
worn prism
i realized that mid-run lmao
bright flint
it's not every arrow that hit proc support fire
hushed sun
oh she does that for you too? Shows up for one boon and is gone
Probably put her phone on silent mode and went hunting
bright flint
it's the whole 7 arrows from the special
random light
On god, even when I’m not shooting for Artemis, she pops up all the time
I’m not complaining
worn prism
does anyone else get hermes alot on asphodel?
random light
Artemis was the first person I got the hearts in the codex maxed out for
jaunty locust
I got the special dash strike hammer upgrade, the chaos attack boon, and aphro on my nemesis sword, and she didn't show up a second time for the dash attack boost! Furious, but I ended upg etting athena so
random light
does anyone else get hermes alot on asphodel?
@worn prism only when I don’t need him XD
hushed sun
does anyone else get hermes alot on asphodel?
So this isn't only me huh
turbid needle
Hermes does appear quite ofen in asphodel
jaunty locust
I think Hermes likes to show up on asphodel first
bright flint
Artemis was the first person I got the hearts in the codex maxed out for
imagine not maxing out artemis heart first smh
random light
imagine not maxing out artemis heart first smh
Truuuu tho, Artemis is the best
hushed sun
at this rate, sgg better make an artemis merch soon
random light
She was the first I got the little Bond Forged thing for too
robust anchor
art is his cousin
random light
Meg? Wack.
Than? Wack.
Where’s my option to woo Artemis and promptly get murked by Apollo and turned into a constellation
jaunty locust
Where's apollo anyway? I mean, idk what he'd give you, since he's known for prophecy (already in teh game) plague (dio has that covered) and archery (Artemis)
random light
I know Supergiant is taking a big break
jaunty locust
you could say his absence is... Apollin'
random light
And they’re probably not gonna add more big content
bright flint
art is his cousin
yeahhhhhh but considering the game is based on greek myth
random light
But I’m still hoping we get Apollo and Hephaestus in game
turbid needle
feel like Hermes
doesnt appear much on Tartarus
appear quite often on Asphodel
usually appear at the first few encounter of Elysium and
appear maybe once at high rarity or rarely twice on Styx
random light
yeahhhhhh but considering the game is based on greek myth
@bright flint I was about to say lol, Greek myths got waaaaay worse than cousins smooching
bright flint
incest is wincest
jaunty locust
Idk the mechanics for when he shows up
jaunty locust
I can't believe we don't get hephaestus, but we get dedalus' hammer, and daedalus had to kill some other dude for being a better craftsman than he was
turbid needle
i mean atleast the Greeks werent against gay
like quite alot of religions now that i think about it
random light
I was pleasantly surprised when Achilles and Patroclus were actually lovers
hushed sun
I was pleasantly surprised when Achilles and Patroclus were actually lovers
yeah me too
random light
Instead of “just very very good friends”
jaunty locust
that woulda been a huge shame
hushed sun
i mean atleast the Greeks werent against gay
like quite alot of religions now that i think about it
being gay was mandatory; search Pederasty
no, wait, is that the right word
my history classes are fading from my memory
turbid needle
The greeks and their mythology were 2020s level of progressiveness though
praise the ancient Greeks
random light
I think it is
hushed sun
although it is commonly believed to be the result of extreme misogyny that lead to pederasty, rather than being open-minded
random light
Yeah Ancient Greece, much like many parts of the ancient world, not very nice to women
As a matter of fact, very very NOT nice to women
hushed sun
imagine hating women so much that you become gay, that's ancient greece for you
jaunty locust
this is probably getting to a point which is a bit beyond the scope of the hades discord
hushed sun
oof yeah
jaunty locust
I say this as someone who is very interested in this topic as someone who took a class on greek n roman religion
hey, does it feel like the thirsty weapons always stick with ones you don't wanna use?
I always use them by default becuase I like big numbers
random light
B I G N U M B E R
jaunty locust
but I haven't used the fists in ages
turbid needle
Fist always take the spot for my fastest runs for some reason
this isn’t a suggestion I’m holding your Obol hostage
hushed sun
hey, does it feel like the thirsty weapons always stick with ones you don't wanna use?
probably because we tend to use the weapons we like more often and the thirst goes to the shunned weapons
jaunty locust
My current goal is to snag nectar and stack obols so when I get to that final shop, I can buy more spicy rewards, becuase no way am I gonna be able to earn those bad bois
I only go to the thirsty weapons!
it's been sword shield sword bow sword
hushed sun
I only go to the thirsty weapons!
:ThirstyZag:
random light
hey, does it feel like the thirsty weapons always stick with ones you don't wanna use?
Hey since when was there a shield weapon, I never even noticed it XDDDDD
jaunty locust
if its green is it shrectar
turbid needle
what level of heat stop giving you bounty and how the heck do you reach it so fast with all the darkness in mirror unlock even?
jaunty locust
I actually really like it
oh I have no idea when it stops, I'm sure not gonna get there
bright flint
20 heat is the last bounty you get
random light
if its green is it shrectar
Mods can I request use of ban hammer
jaunty locust
I don't think I'll even get there with maximum godmode
random light
I thought they increased that cap
hushed sun
since I just ditched and went straight from 10 heat to 32
turbid needle
is Godmode irreversible?
jaunty locust
question: if you have max godmode at 80%, then you take the athena boon, and then the uhh, achilles keepsake
hushed sun
nu
jaunty locust
that dosen't stack to 100
hushed sun
hell mode is irreversible
random light
God Mode should be reversible
bright flint
did you pull it off tho
hushed sun
godmode is a togglable option
random light
The one in the settings list
turbid needle
i fear turning on God mode cause it will taint my save file
hushed sun
dang im just a casual lol
go visit #h1-high-heat-strategies, everybody's casual here
i fear turning on God mode cause it will taint my save file
nah god mode runs are saved separately
jaunty locust
you have seperate records for god and non-god escapes
random light
Oh yeah the high heat page is
jaunty locust
but I've escaped once without it, I got nothin' else to prove
random light
Some real business
bright flint
casually speedrunning 50+ heat that is
hushed sun
i mean, 40+ heat? I'm convinced they're just prototype AIs Google is developing
jaunty locust
I feel like once you're a speedrunner, your ability to actually play the game well is tertiary
hushed sun
they're not necessarily speedrunners
random light
High heat isn’t really speed running its more like “oh god oh please let me live” running
hushed sun
most of the cases they're just too good at the game and incidentally happen to be good at speedrunning as well
absolute beasts
turbid needle
casually speedrunning 50+ heat that is
@bright flint you mean its an option and not a compulsory thing?
hazy slate
for like, the third and fourth areas, is acorn or spear tip better, cause spear tip sounds pretty good depending on how short the cooldown gets
random light
Although if you’ve got that 5:00 tight deadline
That’s a speed run all right
for like, the third and fourth areas, is acorn or spear tip better, cause spear tip sounds pretty good depending on how short the cooldown gets
@hazy slate depends, if you’re struggling with the boss Acorn tends to be better
hushed sun
for like, the third and fourth areas, is acorn or spear tip better, cause spear tip sounds pretty good depending on how short the cooldown gets
Spear tip is absolute lifesaver
random light
If you’re having trouble getting there go for Spear
hushed sun
if you tend to facetank a lot
worn prism
acorn is good if you can get to bosses consistently
hushed sun
Whenever I do a melee run my potato laptop decides to nuke the frames and stutter so spearpoint is a necessity
turbid needle
spear point is better than acorn though
it just stop continuous damages
worn prism
but then i just run lucky tooth when i get to styx lol
im usually out of lives after theseus
untold vortex
For speedrunning a game like hades, game knowledge, playing well and quick decision making (moreso important in all weapons) is paramount
onyx parcel
Crit build on Demeter is insane
random light
Isn’t it?
onyx parcel
So much damage on special
hushed sun
spear point is better than acorn though
it just stop continuous damages
This is my opinion as well, acorn's usage is too limited unless you're running ||EM4 Hades|| or something, which I still would take spearpoint over acorn any day
worn prism
which crit boon?
random light
which crit boon?
@worn prism for Demeter Fists you take Artemis Special
worn prism
i play too much talos lol
onyx parcel
I had Artemis special, special up from chaos, support fire, clean kill, pressure point, and splitting headache from dio attack
random light
Oh yeah that’s the stuff
hushed sun
talos be like nah nah nah tsk tsk where do you think you're going
turbid needle
should i put Demeter attack on Demeter fist?
hushed sun
I had Artemis special, special up from chaos, support fire, clean kill, pressure point, and splitting headache from dio attack
what is this jackpot combo
random light
should i put Demeter attack on Demeter fist?
@Mr.Jason#5791 Zeus attack is the way to go, from what I’ve heard
onyx parcel
God Demeter is so fun
random light
Especially at higher heats
onyx parcel
Soooo much damage
random light
Demeter the best baybeeeeee
onyx parcel
should i put Demeter attack on Demeter fist?
@Mr.Jason#5791 Zeus attack works wonders on fist
random light
And Artemis builds are super fun to begin with
worn prism
aight imma try demeter next fist run
random light
aight imma try demeter next fist run
@worn prism it takes a bit of blood, level 3 onwards it’s a MACHINE
turbid needle
Demeter fist make other fists almost irrelevant
random light
Artemis best girl
@onyx parcel bro so much good taste in server today
Artemis provides the BIG NUMBER, hence she is best deity
thick raptor
So I've been running ||persephone|| through asphodel and depending on build swapping for acorn at either elysium or styx. I'm starting to think with my 7 minute timer runs I could probably manage plume decently.
What are general ideas on good trinket selection?
Been using Thanatos summon because it basically makes p3 Hydra and p2 Theseus null factors.
Usually doing 18 heat, but may be jumping to 32 for more weapons
turbid needle
Demeter fist is even better with the upperkick from hammer
hushed sun
I
random light
Demeter fist is even better with the upperkick from hammer
@Mr.Jason#5791 oh yeah that kick is ecstasy to get on Demeter
hushed sun
Never mind, I must have been dreaming
onyx parcel
Oh dang I should’ve taken the upper kick then
I had the choice to but I chose long knuckle
I remember the kick animation being slow
random light
Upper Kick or Explosive Dash Special on Demeter is just not fair
random light
Sauce my friend, max level Demeter is 5 specials for the price of one right?
And the kick hits twice right?
With crit?
You get what I’m saying?
:3
turbid needle
upperkick t invalidate the threat before their attack even matter
jk though
hushed sun
I love explosive dash upper
M a x i m u m C a t h a r s i s
worn prism
which attack boon would yall take with demeter aspect
random light
So that’s SIX specials for the price of one
which attack boon would yall take with demeter aspect
@worn prism Zeus
jaunty locust
ok I need the demeter fist now omg
random light
And Artemis special
worn prism
sounds spicy
random light
Always Artemis Special
hazy slate
it is
random light
No it’s 12 hits
hushed sun
12 hits
onyx parcel
NO WAY
random light
Because you get six total special
onyx parcel
NOOOO WAYYYYYY
onyx parcel
WHAT
random light
AND IF IT ALL CRITS
turbid needle
like i said Dmeter fist just make other fists look like old leather gloves
hushed sun
2*(1+5)
worn prism
zeus got me through my lucifer run 😫
onyx parcel
TWELVE HITS
random light
SAUCE I’M TELLING YOU
onyx parcel
DEAR LORD
random light
WHEN IT ALL HITS
hushed sun
B I G N U M B E R
random light
Artemis is B E S T G I R L you cannot change my mind. No one else lets you get the BIG NUMBER.
turbid needle
nah i only feel the crit satisfaction from Arthur alone
or other big weapons like Rama
worn prism
chiron + ares attack/artemis special
random light
Reject high heat modernity
Embrace BIG NUMBER tradition
hushed sun
Rama Athena triple shot on the other hand though
turbid needle
need one more sword aspect from the Japanese folklore in this game
turbid needle
something like aspect of susanoo or something
random light
I mean would you ever not take Crit special on Dem Fists?
I always go Artemis Special on Demeter and that’s not even my crit build bias
onyx parcel
I used to take aphro special on Demeter for high raw damage increase
hushed sun
wait
onyx parcel
But a whole crit build is so much better
hushed sun
is rush kick not incompatible with explosive upper?
random light
Yeah
onyx parcel
But only if u get the build going
odd jacinth
I just twoshot a Sneak
Aphro Rocket, and then Crit Hestia shot for 800+ damage
I love this game
hushed sun
how have I not known this before?
random light
You can’t get both Explosive and Kick
jaunty locust
Hearing you all talk about it is killing me. So the crit on it is worth more than a damage buff?
onyx parcel
A crit build without important components is not really good
random light
It’s a real tragedy
hushed sun
oh right
random light
Hearing you all talk about it is killing me. So the crit on it is worth more than a damage buff?
@jaunty locust it hits six times at max rank
So yes
hushed sun
yeah the wiki was a bit outdated and I was super confused for a moment
turbid needle
get kick and the ground slam though
even better if you ask me
onyx parcel
Hearing you all talk about it is killing me. So the crit on it is worth more than a damage buff?
@jaunty locust big numbers 👍
random light
B I G N U M B E R
hushed sun
numbet
random light
Because crit is 200% damage without any further Artemis crit buffs
Which is nuts
If you get like, Clean Kill
It’s crazy stuff
jaunty locust
Right right.
worn prism
all this demeter talk made me realize i JUST got gilgamesh lmao
jaunty locust
And aphro’s bonus damage is like 150?
random light
Her damage %modifier? Yeah something like that
turbid needle
Gilgamesh got nothing on Demeter
her fist are just so ridiculously strong while i still need someway to build Gil
random light
But like Artemis special can hit like +95% modifier on higher rarities too so like sure Aphro got the better raw % but the crits are SPICY
random light
Gilgamesh got nothing on Demeter
her fist are just so ridiculously strong while i still need someway to build Gil
@Mr.Jason#5791 a few folks a few days ago had some really neat Gil builds but I couldn’t remember them
jaunty locust
OH HEY does marked go away when they get crit
random light
Yes
worn prism
yes
random light
It consumes the mark
jaunty locust
😦
random light
But the Mark lasts until you crit
jaunty locust
I’ve never been so sad
worn prism
doesnt the mark go to another enemy iirc?
turbid needle
but if you crit another mark appear?
so it just switch between the 2 in Elysium
worn prism
once you crit the first mark
hushed sun
What are the chances of them surviving a crit build like that to receive another mark tho
random light
Yeah if you crit then an enemy nearby gets marked
You can’t mark an enemy by hitting them with a crit from a mark
If that makes sense
No double dipping, basically
jaunty locust
Yeah you can’t just bounce it back and forth
worn prism
ic
onyx parcel
Mark is sort of an inconsistent status effect imo
It’s like a nice thing to have
But not a big deal if u don’t
jaunty locust
But it makes the summons that the last boss brings... very dangerous for them
random light
Mark is ok, I used to love it, but I mean I’d rather just take Pressure Points and call it a run
hushed sun
mark is just an arbitrary bonus
onyx parcel
Yea pressure point is good
jaunty locust
If I already have some crit stuff I’ll take it
worn prism
it's good for privileged status if you cant get any other curses
turbid needle
hey atleast mark is kinda more consistence on Arthur
jaunty locust
But also I wanted it because I was running a hazard bomb build, so I could Mark a boss and then get to work spamming enormous explosions
untold vortex
I like seeing than crit for 29997 on a marked enemies
hushed sun
I mean, in terms of numbers, pressure point isn't really the most efficient way of one-upping your dps but in the end you feel like an absolute beast
I like seeing than crit for 29997 on a marked enemies
what
random light
B I G N U M B E R
hushed sun
lol how did I never see this happen before
onyx parcel
I used to love priv status but now I just take Olympian favor
random light
I take Olympian too yeah
onyx parcel
I don’t like how I have to actively seek status effects for priv status
random light
I don’t usually play builds with statuses so
hushed sun
I used to love priv status but now I just take Olympian favor
true, couldn't be bothered to afflict curses
random light
If you’re playing Artemis builds which I pretty much always do you want Favor
jaunty locust
I usually end up with the Athena dash and pick up the expose buff, so when I dash strike someone they take both
worn prism
i guess i just like status builds
onyx parcel
Yea it’s like... not a lot of times u can easily apply two curses
turbid needle
still dont fully understand how Olympian Favor work
like how exactly does it stack?
hushed sun
don't take me wrong, status build is amazing if you make it work, but it's just not up my alley
onyx parcel
One Olympian = 5% damage increase
Normally without forcing anything, you can get up to five olympians
That is, 4 normal gods and Hermès
turbid needle
so only 25%?
onyx parcel
Yep
hushed sun
(+2.5% per rank)
bright flint
don't you mean family favorite? 
random light
Uh yeah, that one whoops
bright flint
olympian favor is the one that increase rare percentage
hushed sun
and yes come to think of it olympian favor is the rare chance one
random light
Who needs a fam when you got an Artemis :^)
turbid needle
i mean 40% i still better cause it also make stuff like hangover stronger right?
hazy slate
i think so
hushed sun
Commence thirst
random light
Forget Family Favorite, ya boi just needs Artemis Favorite
Well that, and Athena Dash
hazy slate
athena dash is the single strongest boon in the game
random light
Although I will say, I do love Poseidon boons
hushed sun
i mean 40% i still better cause it also make stuff like hangover stronger right?
Yeah, in terms of stability and consistent output, going status is better to a certain extent i guess
random light
I think Poseidon is my second favorite after Artemis, he’s got some real fun ones
hushed sun
Well that, and Athena Dash
I sorta had to learn how to survive without athena while jumping up to 32 heat, which was painful
fair plinth
if you swap into a god's keepsake after tartarus, will it still modify the first boon you get? or does it only work at the start of the run
hushed sun
'cause I always went athena and artemis
if you swap into a god's keepsake after tartarus, will it still modify the first boon you get? or does it only work at the start of the run
afaik it will give you the respective boon on a boon chamber
onyx parcel
if you swap into a god's keepsake after tartarus, will it still modify the first boon you get? or does it only work at the start of the run
@fair plinth it does
random light
Ok so Artemis is giving me common level Special, but Epic level Cast. Time to switch to Cast Build for this run yahoooo
jaunty locust
Wait The status boon also increases tick damage???
hushed sun
T r u e S h o t
random light
if you swap into a god's keepsake after tartarus, will it still modify the first boon you get? or does it only work at the start of the run
@fair plinth you only get the guarantee boon once but the rarity upgrade applies on all boons acquired from that deity
turbid needle
i wish Artemis boost dash strikes in general not just dash-attack
or does it really buff dash special too? cause it phrase as "dash strike" instead of "dash-attack"
onyx parcel
Man I need to gift some Olympians. I have 50 hours in the game but all my Olympians are still at 1 heart
random light
Nope only dash attack
hushed sun
Wait The status boon also increases tick damage???
yes, how many things have you been missing out on
onyx parcel
I just never bothered to gift them more
random light
For Artemis dash
onyx parcel
No, guarantee boon works in every biome
jaunty locust
Oh I just never noticed!
untold vortex
@turbid needle it does affect the dash upper on fists (hunters dash)
random light
Man I need to gift some Olympians. I have 50 hours in the game but all my Olympians are still at 1 heart
@onyx parcel to be fair, it took me about 90 hours to max out my first heart gauge, it takes time
@turbid needle it does affect the dash upper on fists (hunters dash)
@untold vortex I’m pretty sure it doesn’t affect dash special? That’s what I’ve been told, anyways.
jaunty locust
Get rupture and chill and hangover to just lay on the ouchies
fair plinth
@fair plinth you only get the guarantee boon once but the rarity upgrade applies on all boons acquired from that deity
@random light
I used hypnos moneybags for tart, does it mean I still qualify for the guaranteed boon since I haven't used it
hushed sun
The more you learn
random light
@random light
I used hypnos moneybags for tart, does it mean I still qualify for the guaranteed boon since I haven't used it
@fair plinth yes
red mist
I have done three wins in a row all with athena dash
onyx parcel
@turbid needle it does affect the dash upper on fists (hunters dash)
@untold vortex wait really???
red mist
I fear that I have forgotten to play without it altogether
hushed sun
it does affect the dash upper on fists (hunters dash)
WHAT
hazy slate
ooh thats nice
hushed sun
are they not separate moves
random light
They are separate
jaunty locust
How much have YOU been missing hahah
untold vortex
Yeah, boons that affect dash strikes affect dash upper
jaunty locust
Oh man
random light
I’m like 90% sure the Artemis dash doesn’t affect dash special
hushed sun
fffffff-
Yeah, boons that affect dash strikes affect dash upper
So anything that has dash special i guess?
red mist
Arty dash specifically upgrades Dash-Strike
onyx parcel
Someone should test it out rn
untold vortex
Hanmers that affect dash strikes do not affect dash uppers
random light
It says “Dash Strike” on the Artemis Dash description
fair plinth
@fair plinth yes
@random light
uh, i swapped to athena's owl and the first room is... darkness?
random light
Which I think doesn’t include dash special
fair plinth
asphodel
random light
@random light
uh, i swapped to athena's owl and the first room is... darkness?
@fair plinth sometimes it takes a room or two, you’re guaranteed to get one
random light
With Demeter? A lot
random light
Oh exact numbers I don’t know lol
onyx parcel
50?
random light
Lemme see I’m with Skelly rn
fair plinth
dammit, now its forcing me to choose between hermes and athena
onyx parcel
I’m on artmemis dash rn and it does 62
random light
Are you backstabbing?
onyx parcel
No
random light
Lmao every time I asked, people told me that it didn’t affect Dash Special ;-;
untold vortex
They're objectively wrong
hushed sun
damn
onyx parcel
It does 62 I guarantee it
random light
I’ve been skipping Arty dash this whole time lol
onyx parcel
No back stab
hushed sun
never knew
onyx parcel
Well well well
I also had Artemis dash that run
So add that to the list lol
Even chunkier damage
random light
Friendship ended with Athena Dash, time to hold onto Artemis trinket for even longer in the run
jaunty locust
tchonkyyyyy
hushed sun
I guess hunter dash tooltip needs to be updated
onyx parcel
Who needs deflect when u can deal more damage
random light
A couple boons could use some clarity updates
onyx parcel
😩
random light
Don’t need deflect if you’re already good at not getting hit
Which really, should be one of the things you work on improving first here
untold vortex
Fists are an edge case with arti dash so no real reason to update the tool tip
hushed sun
oe
jaunty locust
oh, the hades spear looks like it upgrades pretty decent
untold vortex
And the only weapon to have a dash upper
limpid portal
the aspect of lucifron has to be the worst weapon design in any game
unkempt zephyr
i take athena dash only if i need 20% crit from duo with artemis. and my attack slow and i cant use athena attack.) or for ME.
hushed sun
Lucifron
random light
Luci is underwheming which is sad cuz it’s cool
hushed sun
it was a really nice concept
onyx parcel
Lucifer with dio attack is pretty strong
hushed sun
it.. just..... lacks the oomph
random light
The special is super clunky to use imo
bright flint
luci is perfect as she is don't buli her D:
random light
HERESY
hazy slate
i don't really get how to use lucifer special
limpid portal
your bombs block your attack
random light
Rama > Lucifer any day
limpid portal
and useless
onyx parcel
Rama so weird to play
random light
The bombs go kaboom when you shoot them
hazy slate
both the ranged weapons never really clicked with me i suppose
hazy slate
why do the lucifer bombs work like that
random light
You gotta spam special then go big attack
hushed sun
was piercing fire compatible with luci again
random light
I don’t think it is
hushed sun
I shouldn't think so, i don't remember
bright flint
(i also like luci more than rama)
unkempt zephyr
Lucifer strong becaus grow up damage. his attack have both sides. you can use some thisn like dio or ares becaus fast. and you can use Huge bonus to attack and single target damage be insane.
fair plinth
ooof, choice of two elite rooms - athena (met the prereq for her legendary) vs artemis (met prereq for demeter duo)
suggestions?
onyx parcel
Maybe I should try Rama again
Chiron is just too strong tho
I’d rather much play Chiron than play Rama
bright flint
^
random light
It’s a special oriented bow, mostly, go for something like Zeus Special try to max lightning bounces
jaunty locust
if you're going cast build you NEED the artemis duo
fair plinth
not really "going for cast build", i have 2 cast boons both from demeter
random light
You want ya boi Poseidon
fair plinth
not exactly very heavily invested in it
void zenith
I've kinda went back and forth on chiron
fair plinth
got a nice spread of damage rn
void zenith
While it's true that my PB time run is done with it
random light
The Artemis Demeter Duo is good though, if you’re not going cast build
void zenith
I'm starting to realize that basic Zag bow can be even better in specific circumstances
That circumstance being Charged Volley
gilded nymph
what boons do you normally combo with aspect of demeter? and what hammer
random light
I love Chiron bow, but Rama bow is my stuff
hushed sun
how tho?
random light
what boons do you normally combo with aspect of demeter? and what hammer
@gilded nymph Artemis Special, always Artemis Special
Zeus Attack
Go for the double kick hammer or the Explosive Dash Upper hammer
hushed sun
charged volley... hanging on the crit chance?
jaunty locust
if I'm just using achiles spear.... artemis isn't neccessarily my bff is she? Do I wanna swing for dio instead? Urgh I feel like spear I neer really get
void zenith
Charged volley is just so busted
fair plinth
wooo got the artemis duo
void zenith
And chiron can't get it
gilded nymph
thanks @random light
random light
if I'm just using achiles spear.... artemis isn't neccessarily my bff is she? Do I wanna swing for dio instead? Urgh I feel like spear I neer really get
@jaunty locust Artemis spear is pretty good for like casts builds n such, I hear Hunting Blades build is good on it
hushed sun
huh, might try it
random light
Never tried it myself
void zenith
crit bonus is a nice bonus on top
hushed sun
I tend not to use charged volley since I never can dash away in time with that
void zenith
try to aim for special speed bust from Hermes
jaunty locust
hunting blades? Idk what that is
hushed sun
bow and swift flourish is always a gigantic game buster
void zenith
Also just like with chiron, the hammers for more arrows or added damage per arrow are also king
jaunty locust
I could get deadly strike. You do poke a LOT with the spear
hushed sun
concentrated/relentless, yeah, feels amazing
random light
Yeah for Demeter Fists, my personal recommended core is: Zeus Attack, Artemis Special, Double Kick or Explosive Upper hammer, try to get Clean Kill and Support Fire from Artemis
hushed sun
p o k e
jaunty locust
oh I do have an attack chaos boon, so the deadly strike will get even more boof
void zenith
With up to 200% damage on charge
random light
Can you get the added arrows on special with Chiron?
void zenith
And base 10% crit chance
hazy slate
i think so
random light
I thought they made that incompatible in a previous patch, did it change?
Am I tripping?
jaunty locust
no, it's +97 from behind well, that'll still stack with a crit
random light
Am I 
void zenith
Yes, you can get added arrows on chiron
hushed sun
With up to 200% damage on charge
I can never get that thing to charge up without getting hit
blasted potato
random light
I’ve spent too long on Demeter Fists the only hammer I know is double kick hammer ;-;
void zenith
You only ever full charge in on bosses
lapis matrix
I think I'm getting better with EM4
void zenith
even with half charge it's still awesome
hushed sun
so basically you use it like a shotgun i guess?
void zenith
Pretty much
hushed sun
huh
hushed sun
might try, I'm generally not a fan of anything that requires charging except shield
*chiron and charged volley is incompatible iirc
void zenith
Yes, incompatible
marsh pumice
That's why zag bow the best 
void zenith
^
bright flint
@lapis matrix they are talking about zag bow with charged volley hammer
lapis matrix
Ah
unkempt zephyr
Hera best. fast room clearing. no takened damage.if build well. and not strugling like Hiron or rama vs alote of enemy.
lapis matrix
With Tipsy Flare?
unkempt zephyr
nope with poseidon