yeah pressure point is sick
#h1-builds-and-combat
smoky atlas
yea, try to get the poseidon legendary too
outer oar
right
smoky atlas
and then ofc, double lightning, jolted boon
outer oar
i was trying stuff with demeter's boon where 10 stacks combust
but feels like to really get high performance out of that
id have to end up with legendary version of that boon
zzz
smoky atlas
and rupture, that one poseidon boon that gives like 30% dmg vs bosses
untold vortex
I'd pom hunters dash or strike
Pomming pressure points is kinda not gonna do much for you, especially using nemisis
unkempt pagoda
odd choice maybe but i'd go pressure points
wait it's nemesis?
oh, go hunter's dash then
outer oar
yeah i was just thinking about it generally
languid storm
Demeter boon is really good with spear4
unkempt pagoda
yeah, nemesis already has very high crit chance, more than artemis at base
outer oar
like when i first started playing i scoffed at evert taking pressure points
unkempt pagoda
5% isn't as low at people think it is tbh
outer oar
if you deal a lot of hits it definitely isnt
unkempt pagoda
it's rolling a natural 20, for ttrpg players
hazy slate
I think nemesis is better off with higher base damage boons than Artemis
languid storm
I think you want at least one artemis boon so you can get the duo synergies
probably the cast
unkempt pagoda
you'd want like, artemis special/aphrodite attack
30% is already higher crit chance than artemis attack, so you need to pair it with a high modifier to capitalize on it
artemis special for the sake of getting heart rend
untold vortex
Or arte attack/aphro special depending on how you play
lone lava
Ah okay thanks guys!
Yeah I usually go for aphro attack
But grabbed arty attack cause it was there
And then I wasn't sure what's meant to be pom priority for nem
languid storm
Does aphro or Athena have better attack?
hazy slate
I think aphro does have better attack
lone lava
I'll get aphro special for heart rend at least
outer oar
aphro has the best attack i believer
unkempt pagoda
aphro has the best modifiers for both attack and special
random light
Aphrodite always has the highest raw %modifiers, assuming rarities are even
acoustic venture
Aphro just has the best modifiers period
lone lava
So for nemesis with arte dash, pom dash strike over attack?
hazy slate
Usually when I build nemesis I try to get another status effect for priveleged
languid storm
I usually try to get Arte cast Aphro attack athena dash so you can get the 50% crit plus aphro damage
using dash to apply exposed for privileged
random light
Heart Rend goes a long way on Nemesis, yeah
unkempt pagoda
on the other hand, artemis has relatively low raw modifiers
random light
on most crit builds, really
random light
Artemis is best deity
outer oar
like you said
random light
you gotta get crit
unkempt pagoda
using aphro attack on nemesis gets around the low raw modifier obstacle
random light
acquire
outer oar
she has low modifiers
random light
BIG NUMBER
outer oar
so if you innately have good crit
lone lava
I see
outer oar
i dont find myself ever wanthing aphro's attack or special
random light
yeah for Nemesis I don't recommend taking extra crit on attack
lone lava
noted
random light
Aphrodite Attack on Nemesis is very good
outer oar
i can see that
hazy slate
It’s good
random light
I stan demeter fists anyday, love that weapon and aspect
hazy slate
Yeah the giga cutter is just free damage
languid storm
Giga cutter is a wrecking ball
random light
Once i got the double kick special hammer on demeter fists
what a fun run that was
I wish i could get explosive upper with the double kick, would be busted af but soooooo enjoyable
turbid needle
I think Rush Kick overrides EU.
random light
yeah i'm pretty sure you're right
unkempt pagoda
double kick is a special, explosive upper is dash upper
they would be separate regardless
random light
if I dash special with the double kick upgrade does it not double kick?
turbid needle
Last time I had Rush Kick I was getting the leap and kick when using Dash-Uppers.
outer oar
dash special definitely is changed by double kick
unkempt pagoda
really?
random light
I would imagine changing the special would affect the dash special
fair plinth
question - if your first boon is a daeddy hammer, and you reset it and equip a god keepsake, does the first boon
a) still remain a hammer and your next boon is from the god
b) change into the god boon and your hammer becomes the next door
c) hammer disappears RIP press F in chat
turbid needle
Could have changed in 1.0.
unkempt pagoda
bruh hammers really need to get clearer about these kinds of things
turbid needle
Hammer spawns are always hammers.
languid storm
This is easily the worst run I've had so far boon wise, I'm like 6 floors deep into asphodel with 6 boons in total and only a boon on my special
outer oar
i was using 4th fist earlier and it was immediately noticeable
random light
yep
fair plinth
many thanks
unkempt pagoda
there are a lot of things that are unclear in this game, but man are hammers the contenders for the worst lol
turbid needle
Adding base damage helped.
random light
Sis Shackle probably up there somewhere too lol
turbid needle
But then Heart Rend needs to say "+50% crit base damage."
unkempt pagoda
oh and there were a lot of clarifications made this update, and i love them, but there's still some hanging around
random light
for the most part, the game is very clear, it's just one or two outliers that have some wonky wording
outer oar
i agree hammers are pretty weird tho
like
sword hammers
ur thrust is stronger
but wait, ur dash strike is a thrust
except that isnt stronger
random light
outer oar
hammers change specific behavior
so it makes sense theres some issues there
if you phrased that hammer as
unkempt pagoda
hammers especially:
- most upgrades differentiate between dash strike and attack... but some don't and affect both? and then rush kick up there lol
- even then there's no indication that dash strikes and attacks are considered different for hammers
- no indication whether a damage boost is additive or multiplicative (dashing flight vs charged flight, for instance)
outer oar
"every third attack of your normal combo is empowered"
i wonder how many less people would take it
lol
turbid needle
Reading the Wiki, and Dash Nova is named correctly but not described correctly.
They fixed the last one, Onyx.
Multiplicative is described with +x% base damage.
unkempt pagoda
what call?
turbid needle
What's your Call and Weak proc?
unkempt pagoda
and weapon too
unkempt pagoda
hm
unkempt pagoda
arthur doesn't really attack fast enough to make too much use of UF
so i'd go smouldering
spiral tree
also I take back my earlier comment
languid storm
What're your favorite rail4 builds? I'm thinking Pos attack and go for the zeus duo
spiral tree
cursed slash can work with arthur....just gotta be more careful lol
unkempt pagoda
my favorite rail4 build is playing rail2 instead 
outer oar
i like to mostly use rail 4 for its special
outer oar
infinite ammo rail 4 is nice for doom and hangover stuff
and playing with less thought
spiral tree
has lightning rod+arthur crit stuff+demeter smoldering air
wow that killed asap they barely had time to attack lol
languid storm
I do really really like rail2 but rail4 is also just so cool
outer oar
most fun i have with the rail 4 is getting triple bomb and using it as primary method of attack
spiral tree
lightning rod might be my favorite boon in the game I just run away and it kills bosses for me
rod almost feels like cheating
outer oar
fire just to detonate bombs
quartz remnant
Poseidon Sword with Artemis cast so far, still in Tartarus. I have a choice between Hammer and Boss Dio.
Hammer always or... ?
unkempt pagoda
i just find that whatever rail4 can do, rail2 can do better
outer oar
hangover
unkempt pagoda
and the special has always been a little awkward
quartz remnant
So Dio?
unkempt pagoda
you don't really need a hammer for poseidon sword, but if you do go that way
quartz remnant
Yeah, that's true.
outer oar
really the biggest appeal is that the special orb can put down DOTs
unkempt pagoda
i'd recommend either super nova or dash nova
random light
Breaching Slash and Double Dash Attack are always good on Stygius
unkempt pagoda
dash nova cements it as an evasive maneuver and easy way to get your casts back, super nova is bigger and you have some more damage
quartz remnant
well I got the Fountain boon so hmmm
unkempt pagoda
what do you consider high
heady relic
With the shield of Chaos, will Empowering flight empower attacks after each individual shield??
unkempt pagoda
every aspect has been used to clear 32, but: arthur, eris, rama, beowulf, nemesis, hades, and demeter are popular right now
oh, and hestia
hestia is a great boss killer, and can better deal with regular rooms with either piercing, explosive, or ricochet fire
random light
Rama has a lot of base damage on attack and the special is pretty darn good
shared damage and stuff
unkempt pagoda
rama is like a super bow, amazing attack and special that can do either build with relative ease
for example, thunder flourish + relentless on rama absolutely kills
random light
as part of the "crit build best build" squad, I personally find Demeter Fists and Nemesis a lot of fun, and they are definitely quite viable on high heat
unkempt pagoda
or you can go twin shot with either point-blank or explosive for really big attacks
or you can do a hybrid of both, which is very viable (relentless dio special + point-blank divine strike got me to elysium earlier, and i was doing a 20 heat no darkness run)
yep
shoot, reload, shoot, reload
it travels super fast and and the range is across the screen
at max it's amazing, at base it's only okay
you definitely need one of the hammers above to get better regular room kills
yes
empty veldt
welll
actually, if you get the triple shot hammer that makes it a shotgun
i think hestia works best with it
deals a lot of damage
unkempt pagoda
?
unkempt pagoda
spread fire doesn't change the empowered shot
outer oar
well there is cluster bomb 👀
but uh yeah hestia
actually
now that im thinking about it
cluster bomb + hestia makes more sense than it may seem
since you can use special as primary attack mode and single-target to snipe as needed
vernal bolt
i just got a build i like to call the supershotgun
rama aspect
twin shot
explosive shot
vernal bolt
you can only functionally use it as a shotgun
vernal bolt
because getting any range takes like
outer oar
that thing was still incredibly unwieldy
vernal bolt
3 full seconds of charge time
time to blow dad's head in with my new indian made shotgun
outer oar
and to get the good dmg u have to wait for the charge too
such a shae
shame
improved power shot regular bow feels pretty good outside of the special
oh, thats how peolpe have a good special with regular bow, now that im thinking about it
incredibly painful manual aiming
works well on it
i was just talking about i never want artemis
but that bow is like the one exception
red mist
Hello fellos, I just unlocked aspect of beowulf and idk if it's worth my early bloods
static jacinth
Special on normal bow is pretty... Extraneous, most of the time.
random light
do you like shield?
outer oar
beowulf playstyle is
red mist
I like chucking shields
static jacinth
Beowolf is pretty fun.
unkempt pagoda
have you played hera bow before
unkempt pagoda
it's basically that but you also end up where you attack
static jacinth
If you like chucking shields, Beowolf is the best at that with charged flight. Doesn't need to be leveled even.
red mist
Not yet, but I get the idea. Get an OP cast boon and blow load over and over
unkempt pagoda
best with passion flare
static jacinth
Just Beowolf plush Charged Flight hammer for the big oomph.
sharp anvil
What are good hammers for guang yu?
outer oar
is charged flight a unique hammer for it?
unkempt pagoda
you should know with beowulf, all the casts are changed to an aoe burst version of themselves
red mist
I also don't understand whether guan yu is good
static jacinth
I suggest focusing on the hammers that help the special with Guan Yu.
unkempt pagoda
so dem cast is now a chill-inflicting burst, for example
static jacinth
But you can do a spin focused build too.
outer oar
serrated points is good
static jacinth
Serrated points is always good, but also sort of at its worst with Guan Yu.
outer oar
higher base dmg tho, no?
static jacinth
Yeah, but with the reduced dash distance it's a very very risky playstyle.
Depends on your heat of course.
red mist
Aspect of zeus looks pretty jank to me
static jacinth
Beyblade of legend? Some people really like it.
red mist
Seems pretty slow tho
outer oar
its just amatter of learning the throw distance really
then when its done there just let it chase you while you dash strike
the best part of blitz disc
is that you can attack while your shield is thrown
gilded nymph
is spear of guan yu any good?
red mist
Yep that sounds pretty efficient
gilded nymph
what are the boons and keepsake used with it?
red mist
Does anyone actually like poseidon
gilded nymph
nope lol
outer oar
spear move-set is quite versatile, guan yu's special is the very safe spear chuck without the reversal, you can play whatever style you want with this weapon. there's even an argument to use dionysus with the special depending on if you use time limits
red mist
He's aquaman heh
outer oar
i love poseidon
his additional dmg against enemies when bouncing against walls stuff
is really damn strong
it is great at mob clearing
i dont like his aid
gilded nymph
yeah but knockback is horrible it feels like
outer oar
but whatever its iframes
depends on the weapon but
i liked knockback with arthur for instance
just dont get hit
then you never take it
red mist
Should I bother with poseidon related achievements if all i want to do is unlock stuff fast?
outer oar
the specific god achievements are pretty whatever
doesnt matter that much
the duo and legerndary rewards are nice but that can also probably take you so long that by then you had grinded everything out naturally anyway
depends on how diligent you are
the way i see it if the run is in jeopardy might as well get the progress
red mist
Or maybe you're on underworld customs
tidal edge
does the ||Dusa|| summon draw enemy attention at all? can it die or does it always last 30 secs?
outer oar
on that note picking up duos/heroics to sell is a gamble
but its nice when it pays off
median oar
djn0, it's impervious and doesn't aggro
buoyant inlet
I'm generally having trouble clearing runs with the bow
it's the most boring weapon for me to use personally, but besides that, it also feels as though (non-EM) Theseus runs hard counter to it with his shield
Is there any specific way I should be building the bow differently than I build my melee? How can I make it more effective against Theseus without getting right in his grill?
cunning urchin
Theseus will always turn his back to you after a spin or throw from him.
buoyant inlet
Oh wow, I wasn't aware of that
cunning urchin
So the goal is to bait out an attack from him, i-frame it with a dash, then attack as he turns around and walks away from you for a moment.
He's also completely open at the start of phase 2 when he first uses his call.
hollow dove
If you have an invulnerability call (poseidon, ares, athena) or high burst (artemis/aphrodite), it might be worth saving it for the phase 2 transition
No defense at all, so you can go all out
rare kayak
theseus leftbehind his spear after he died
why cant i take it ):
i feel like aphro’s call is more valuable with the interrupt than for the big full call damage
hazy slate
Because it’s rude to steal someone’s spear after you kill them
rare kayak
not like he needs it
considering how often he repairs his chariot he probably has like a billion of em
hollow dove
The spear is cursed, if you take it you die. At least that's what happened to its previous owner :>
rare kayak
but yeah aphro call + smouldering is real good
admittedly not as good as pos call smouldering
hollow dove
How do you handle the awkward aim assist during ||the Hades fight||? It always seems to focus ||the urns instead of the boss|| even if it's at a 90° angle from where my analog stick is pointing to
buoyant inlet
aim assist has always been awkward for me in general, part of the reason I hate bow
hollow dove
Yeah it's mainly on bow, and rail when I go for the third aspect
I can handle stuff like EM Theseus even if aim assist tends to shoot behind him, but here it's really annoying
stoic thicket
Imo Aphro is the worst Call to take with Smouldering Air. I've used her a couple of times lately on the final boss to great effect, but it was always with a full call because it does so much damage.
cunning urchin
Hmmm. Easy solution is just quick-release your shots and destroy urns.
rare kayak
im aware that it doesnt result in much damage and the the function of avoiding damage can be replicated by every other call’s iframes but i find the one second to catch your breath makes the fight much smoother for me
plus it helps during theseus a lot too
as well as mm styx sometimes
hollow dove
smouldering air is the aphrodite/zeus duo that caps call to 1/4, right?
stoic thicket
Yup.
rare kayak
caps to 1/4 but charges in five seconds or something
hollow dove
Yep yep, just making sure (I don't have the game in english)
cunning urchin
You can practically perma-charm the final boss with enough poms on the Call.
stoic thicket
What consists "enough" poms?
hollow dove
Just interrupting the lasers is already very solid
hollow dove
patched today?
rare kayak
great to catch him out of invis though
cunning urchin
Since 1.0.
rare kayak
^
cunning urchin
You have to charm his beam startup. Can't charm while he's beaming.
hollow dove
??? I got the game after 1.0 release, and I've regularly charmed him
Ah maybe it was always during prep, not channel
cunning urchin
I'd say Artemis' Aid is the worst call in general.
hollow dove
I like it a lot, way more than Demeter
rare kayak
demeter’s has some fun stuff and its got the benefit of being able to cover your back on a whole swarm of enemies at once
cunning urchin
@dry ember what are you gonna do about it? Call Lady Artemis with her weakly 100 damage arrows? 
Well, Demeter's Aid would be bottom 2 for me. So either one of those.
rare kayak
also the damage looks small but it adds up surprisingly quick
hollow dove
Charging up a 100% Artemis can often cause 4-5k damage
stoic thicket
Also Demeter has some very, very nice support boons that work beautifully with that call.
rare kayak
personally i rate ares worse than demeter
hollow dove
Like, you see a good chunk of the boss's hp bar drop, 20% at least
cunning urchin
The damage . . . it does not add up to much.
Sadly.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gm04kroX-p7lMNSmNcFdKCw4mmff-5i83QsKVwOBNDA/edit?usp=sharing
rare kayak
yeah but you wont often see a 100% charge in smaller encounters
and the 1 bar call is mediocre at best
well unless it manages to crit every time but even then its still not great
hollow dove
I never use calls outside of boss fights tbh, except poseidon and athena
rare kayak
you should
cunning urchin
Greater Call Artemis' Aid does 1700–2210 on average depending on rarity.
Goes up with poms and her arrows can backstab.
rare kayak
plus also max arty call has this annoying thing where they waste themselves on an enemy’s dying iframes
cunning urchin
But still, compare that to e.g. 2700–3510 from Zeus' Aid or guaranteed 2500 from Lady Aphrodite . . .
rare kayak
which doesnt really matter all too much on a boss fight that isnt hydra
but still its annoying
cunning urchin
No good reason to not mash your Call button in regular encounters, yeah.
Using your Call any time it's up is better than never using it.
rare kayak
and yeah what nyaa said, its literally free
ares call did get a bit better with the update though
still dont like it
well not the recent one but the one that changed it
cunning urchin
Ares' Aid can get silly with Vicious Cycle and stuff, though.
void zenith
You have to be right on top of them for zeus call to not waste any damage
rare kayak
yeah thats the exception, if youre going all in on blades
void zenith
Artemis full charge is nice to take out full boss phases, and poms really add a lot of base damage to it
cunning urchin
That's not too hard since you get i-frames on activation of any call.
rare kayak
also on most weapons youre usually near them anyway
cunning urchin
You can waste multiple Lightning Bolts and still do more damage with Zeus' Aid than you would with Artemis' Aid on average.
void zenith
I'm kind of thinking of calls in terms of the last bossfight cause the rest of the game can be cleared well enough without any of them
And Zeus call has never performed well for me there
rare kayak
zeus call is real good in regular encounters for typical zeus aoe shenanigans
got some badonkers damage too
void zenith
Whereas Artemis charges up to full and can help clean up the ||first healthbar||
cunning urchin
Just i-frame his spin with a Lesser Call and he'll take the full damage easily enough.
rare kayak
on higher heats where enemies are tankier its quite valuable
cunning urchin
Or i-frame whatever attack he does when he comes out of invincibility.
Yeah, high heat, calls can save lives.
void zenith
I mean, saving lives is right for Athena, that's for sure
Just had her call while clearing a 32 heat run
rare kayak
admittedly artemis has the coolest full call
rare kayak
but demeter has the best voice lines
cunning urchin
Lady Aphrodite has the best voice lines. 💗
rare kayak
demeter’s legendary is worth about 20% more than the others for yelling at the final boss
by my estimations
void zenith
Tbh, Poseidon's greater call is pretty OP
rare kayak
poseidon’s is insane
void zenith
Especially if buffed up a little with poms or good rarity
rare kayak
the damage hes got on that thing is wack
void zenith
- that boon that does extra damage to bosses
cunning urchin
That's fair considering how bad his Attack is lol.
cunning urchin
I struggled making 32 with TD2 work pre-1.0. That thing had no DPS. 
rare kayak
god its so bad i legit lost two dds in tartarus
cunning urchin
Any other Malphon build: TD2 JS3 CP2 DC2? No problem!
cunning urchin
Tempest Strike: TD2 JS0 CP0 DC0? Not enough DPS.
rare kayak
i also remember taking hazard bomb and then taking the chaos curse without attack on chamber 11
cunning urchin
Tbf, you can just keep attacking. The curse won't kill you.
I mean, you'll have 1 HP, but that's good enough, isn't it.
rare kayak
yeah but it makes my feelings hurt 😔
cunning urchin
Feelings shmeelings.
The important thing is that you get to mmm, mmm, murrrderrr. 🔫
rare kayak
i think my thought process was that it was an epic special chaos booster so i figured my run was saved if i could survive
then i lost like three dds to meg
cunning urchin
Think of it this way: if you'd taken SD, you'd have suffered less.
rare kayak
oh tru tru
cunning urchin
Not a helpful thought, but a thought.
rare kayak
i also didnt realise hazard would stun
i thought it was just damage
actually now that i think about it would it work with that pos athena boon? hm
turbid needle
Huh.
rare kayak
food for thought
cunning urchin
I think I only took that upgrade once ages ago lol.
rare kayak
i mean youd still take damage but its like 3 damage or something
turbid needle
I'm still not sure I'd try that on Eris unless I was pushing 300+ HP.
rare kayak
it was the run for the hammer
iirc
so i had to take it
god can u imagine taking hazard and encountering tisi
ugh
cunning urchin
I remember reading reports that Tempest Flourish + Hazard Bomb is hilarious.
But that was in a patch many months ago, so maybe that's been changed.
rare kayak
whats really funny is taking a revenge boon and getting hit by a snake stone
rare kayak
hell if i know ive had one rail run since patch because darker thirst really loves varatha and coronacht
turbid needle
"Why did that Snakestone turn into the start of War of the Worlds?"
cunning urchin
Depends on the boon lol.
rare kayak
other funny deaths include dashing away from skulls or power couple and getting hit by the wave twice, optionally losing a dd
tru, doesnt work if you have athena’s revenge
cunning urchin
Small AOE around Zag doesn't do much if they're a fullscreen away from you.
rare kayak
it still makes a funny effect
vernal bolt
man i hate the fights where dad just won't stop with the bloodstones
cunning urchin
Holy Shield will make you briefly invincible vs Snakestone lasers, so that's nice.
turbid needle
Heaven's Vengeance and Frozen Touch target the enemy that attacked you, right? So even if something hits you from far away they'll eat lightning/ice.
rare kayak
i dont know if it works now but you used to be able to deflect the poison puddles of rats then stand on it and they would trigger revenge boons like mad without damaging you
almost certainly a buf
bug
cunning urchin
lol the skull spam was real in my 43-Heat Chiron run yesterday.
rare kayak
god yeah i think they increased it
cunning urchin
Which, by the way, is was WR for Chiron.
rare kayak
ok flex more wait till i upload my 57heat talos tempest strike run
also have you seen super bother versus a good deflect
think i instagibbed it with that
honestly styx just has a lot of very silly things that can happen
orchid plinth
just got the ||poseidon aspect sword|| any recommendations on what cast to try with it?
rare kayak
i dont prefer zeus because the bounce is a little unpredictable
cunning urchin
You just get more boons from her and put poms on it.
rare kayak
other than that taking true shot does set up the foundation for arty boons aka exit wound
and the homing helps a lot too
cunning urchin
It's probably the easiest cast build. Doesn't require any Duo Boons, easy-ish access to extra ammo.
orchid plinth
I was thinking of going with artemtis if not it was going to be ares
so ill go with arti then
rare kayak
ares dont lodge but it does work with extra cast damage of pos
but exit wounds poseidon aspect is the classic combo
cunning urchin
For cast builds, make sure you take aaaall the Chaos Gates to get extra ammo or cast damage from them.
And always check Wells for +1 ammo.
orchid plinth
oh really? ive actually never used ares cast, ive just heard it is good
rare kayak
flurry hermes cast also helps a lot too
void zenith
So many times I've tried to set up that poseidon/exit wounds synergy, but Arty never seems to want to give it to me
cunning urchin
Yeah, but Lord Hermes tbh helps in every build lol.
rare kayak
ares cast is really good but it requires a ton of investment, needs his leg and duo with artemis
- optionally duo with demeter
- pos arty duo and ares legendary boosts his damage through the roof
cunning urchin
Slicing Shot doesn't need Hunting Blades. It needs Hunting Blades or Engulfing Vortex. They both work really. Getting both, of course, is ideal.
rare kayak
without either its a pretty mediocre cast though
rare kayak
its why i prefer poseidon demeter or dionysus demeter cast build because the base casts are already good by themselvs
cunning urchin
Mediocre for cast builds, yeah. It's pretty good for supplementary casts in melee builds.
rare kayak
hades aspect is my fav but the game’s balanced enough that every spear’s good
void zenith
Hades is an easy pick for spear
rare kayak
big spin
cunning urchin
The right answer is shield 4 and Malphon.
void zenith
||other aspects are kinda trash imo||
cunning urchin
Which aren't spears.
Which is the point.
Spear is good. I'm good. I'm not good with spear lol.
rare kayak
yea nyaa is right, invest all ur blood into talos aspect, its the best weapon in the game :^)
red mist
well there's two ambrosia waiting for me if I do ||guan yu|| so I'll get that out of the way while I'm still low heat grinding
cunning urchin
Talos is great.
void zenith
Talos is amazing indeed
rare kayak
remember that those prophecies are fulfilled as long as u hit surface
rather than beat boss
red mist
that's nice of them
rare kayak
basically dont give up
cunning urchin
Hmmm. Spear 4 is very difficult if you don't have it at Lv.5.
hollow dove
Guan Yu is one of the only aspects I maxed out before I even tried
cunning urchin
It's doable, but it's difficult.
hollow dove
Starting with 14hp no thanks
rare kayak
i maxed gy hestia and chiron before i started using them
red mist
hmmm....
void zenith
All hidden aspects are great. Except Guan Yu
red mist
I've been spoiled that ||hades doesn't fight you on 10th clear|| so what achievement can I cheese for that
void zenith
Even Lucifer is kinda neat, even if it needs a bit of adjusting to
rare kayak
again, the prophecies are fulfilled as long as you reach him
so theres not really cheese
vernal bolt
guan yu is fun as hell what are you talking about
hollow dove
Lucifer + Dio is fun
vernal bolt
if you're struggling with guan yu
turn the music off
play this in the background
trust me
it makes it way easier
rare kayak
i guess you could use it for achievements like taking the really bad hammers
hollow dove
Guan Yu just has really low room for mistake
rare kayak
like hazard bomb, or
red mist
dear lord
rare kayak
...
hollow dove
You have so little hp
rare kayak
hazard bomb...
red mist
hazard bomb bad?
buoyant inlet
guan yu feels terrible
rare kayak
maybe even hazard bomb
red mist
it seems okay as long as you're not eris...
hollow dove
5x Hazard Bomb, yolooo
vernal bolt
you haven't let the ccp into your life
void zenith
Hm- I'd say it's more like, Guan Yu is super reliant on particular hammers
Like quick spin
rare kayak
its messy
vernal bolt
once you do that guan yu is amazing
buoyant inlet
I usually rely on my attack speed to delete projectiles, and the low attack speed + the total gutting of health is like
bro please
rare kayak
hazard bomb pretty much lays down a huge back off area around you
vernal bolt
just remember that you don't need to fully charge your healy stealy wheely
neon cave
what's better as a first upgrade for shield: chaos or zeus?
rare kayak
both are good
cunning urchin
Put Heartbreak Flourish on Guan Yu, and you have a build. It doesn't rely on hammers.
hollow dove
I like chaos a bit more tbh
cunning urchin
Deadly Flourish works, too.
neon cave
i dont have many titan bloods
red mist
yeah that run might be a good time to gun for the crappy duo/legendary boons
rare kayak
but yeah having to deal with the limited space that hazard bomb causes gets really messy especially in stuff like em hydra or theseus
void zenith
Hm, both zeus and chaos really start to shine once you invest a few levels at least
cunning urchin
Shield 4 is way too fun for me to use any other shield lol.
void zenith
zeus aspect starting damage is kinda low
rare kayak
dont think of it as damage
neon cave
hmm, then maybe it's better to keep using zag shield for now
rare kayak
think of it as fast damage
vernal bolt
i simply cannot use shield for long enough to find a chaos gate
i just end up quitting out of the run and using something more fun
that is to say
rare kayak
zeus special or dio special are both pretty solid on zeus aspect
vernal bolt
literally anything else
void zenith
Whereas having additional projectile on chaos throw has more utility from the start
buoyant inlet
Isn't there a hammer that makes the zeus special slower?
cunning urchin
zeus aspect starting damage is kinda low
That's fine if you put Curse of Pain on it and build for ME.
rare kayak
so is demeter special with that one boon that break on 10 chill
hollow dove
chaos goes great with ares special
buoyant inlet
It's framed as "the area for the throw is wider, but it goes slower"
void zenith
True, zeus aspect was pretty nice for me when I put Demeter on it
buoyant inlet
and I just always ask where the downside is lmao
rare kayak
hey, you might even be able to use aphro special if you search for leg
buoyant inlet
just popping it on top of bosses while I whale on them
red mist
there are three categories of gods: multiplier gods, on-hit/stack gods, and poseidon
hollow dove
poseidon/10
void zenith
Poseidon's dash is pretty great though, ngl
cunning urchin
He has the 2nd best % damage on Special lol.
void zenith
Get all the extra dashes
red mist
you can't keepsake hermes tho
void zenith
Or use ||Gilgamesh||
rare kayak
ive found it annoying to use because i dash to hit with sword and then all the enmies are gone
very fun to use but not quite practical
void zenith
And then you don't even need to hit stuff. Just dash around
rare kayak
admittedly ive got an idea for meme dash build aka pos dash + sea storm + ||hades keepsake|| + smouldering air + all the dashes you can get your hands on
void zenith
Poseidon dash is pretty okay with ranged weapons too. Helps to create some space
hollow dove
||hades keepsake|| lasts so little though
rare kayak
because as far as i can tell the thing in the spoiler tags doesnt disappear on dash
at least the visual effects dont, im too mindflooded to check the numbers
cunning urchin
Tidal Dash can clear 32 Heat all on its own lol.
turbid needle
Back when it dealt damage it could, but now it only applies Hangover.
cunning urchin
Apparently good enough for TD2 even at 32 lol.
vernal bolt
anyway how can you guys trash on guan yu when lucifer exists
rare kayak
yeah i know but it hurts my monke brain to see damage circle not break pots
vernal bolt
it feels terrible
turbid needle
Lucifer is my single-favorite Aspect in the game.
vernal bolt
how
turbid needle
Satan laser.
vernal bolt
what do you do with it
void zenith
Lucifer is cool, just turn of the autoaim
vernal bolt
it feels really bad
void zenith
And stick demeter on it
turbid needle
I also play MKB.
rare kayak
got laser got explosion what else do you want
hollow dove
at least lucifer doesn't cost half your hp
cunning urchin
Rail 4 is worse rail 1.
hollow dove
rail 4 is neat with dionysos... the only weapon I found to be worth using dionysos on, tbh
turbid needle
rail 4 is faster rail 1 so easier proc on Demeter or Dio
just need some build
vernal bolt
it looks like you're supposed to set big sticky traps like in tf2
cunning urchin
Not faster with that startup.
vernal bolt
but hellfire goes off if it's so much as breathed at
ramping damage on the laser is stupid because >standing still in this game
cunning urchin
just need some build
Rail 1 only needs Lightning Strike.
But rail 1 is just worse rail 2.
rare kayak
well, at least its not zag shield
cunning urchin
Do I shoot Lightning Strike bullets, or do I shoot Lightning Strike bullets with +75% damage?
vernal bolt
at least it's not shield
rare kayak
or prebuff zag sword
cunning urchin
That's the choice between zag aspect and Eris.
turbid needle
Zag Shield is great.
vernal bolt
also i need to see beowulf in action
turbid needle
Rails are worse Chiron bow
vernal bolt
so i can decide if it's worth it to get it
void zenith
Rail is good
vernal bolt
if it's worth slogging through a couple of shield runs
rare kayak
having played beowulf again ive revised my opinion on it which is that its pretty good but still not my style
void zenith
I used to think it's lame, but it grew on me
turbid needle
ill reconsider when i open Lucifer, which for some Zeus damn reason i still cant unlock yet
void zenith
I mean, I had like 15 attempts beating heat 32 with chiron, all failed
And I finally managed it with hestia
and lightning bullets
hushed sun
was about to say cluster bomb and swift flourish on rail 4 was amazing, but then i realised that makes any rail feel pog
cunning urchin
Was that pre-1.0 with Chiron or in 1.0?
rare kayak
yeesh imagine if it did
void zenith
I only got the game on 1.0 release
cunning urchin
I see.
hushed sun
Triple does.
triple, sorry*
cunning urchin
Pretty quick 32 Heat, then. Good job.
turbid needle
bow-wise
is triple shot point blank better than 2\ shot but shorter range?
rare kayak
why are you point blanking bow
void zenith
Well, I've played 138 hours of it since release...
turbid needle
I think they made it so you can't multi-hit with Triple Shot.
hushed sun
oh
rare kayak
triple shot can multi hit with ricochet too i think
hushed sun
I had fun with bow 4 triple shot... I think
rare kayak
if youre in the right positions
cunning urchin
Twin Shot is still the #1 pick for at least Zag aspect.
hushed sun
literally nuking every enemy with the shared whatever afflicted
shared suffering*
turbid needle
bow 4 is just so good for the first 2 world
maybe need some scaling for world 3 and 4
turbid needle
it should get some by then
hushed sun
screaming in potato laptop
hushed sun
80% lol
rare kayak
it gets real silly especially if you can land a hit 3 excal
turbid needle
does higher heat give more resource?
or do i keep farming darkness at lower heat?
rare kayak
but catlover lemme teach u the potato laptop trick
take demeter call
use it as often as you can
slowmo game
untold quiver
Farm zero heat
hushed sun
crystal meme
untold quiver
Gets you the bonus from the bosses, and you can skip shops/take obal rooms and make sure you've got the money for the diamond/Titan blood if you need those
red mist
hmm what starting god do I run for aspect of hades
hushed sun
does higher heat give more resource?
or do i keep farming darkness at lower heat?
I'd recommend doing everything you can with nyx's mirror, big help
rare kayak
fan of athena since you spin a lot
red mist
o that makes a lot of sense
spear already brings so much damage by itself that ya just need safety
void zenith
I usually run Hades with Aphrodite
rare kayak
aphro attack is also pretty classic for damage yeah
cunning urchin
High heat does not give more resources, no.
shadow shadow
does beowulf cast slam count as dislodge when the crystals come out
cunning urchin
No, it doesn't.
shadow shadow
alright
cunning urchin
But if you can clear higher heat, you don't need to upgrade your mirror tbh. You can just keep going and farm bounties + everything else at the same time.
red mist
holy shirtballs I just rolled epic heartbreak strike
cunning urchin
I finished my mirror well before bounties without ever going out of way my way to farm Darkness.
hushed sun
I finished my mirror well before bounties without ever going out of way my way to farm Darkness.
welp me too, but only because I failed way too many times
void zenith
Aside from Fated Authority/Persuasion, the rest of the mirror will prolly be done by the time you get to like heat 5 with all weapons while going for bounties
Incidentally, how many levels are there to Fated Authority?
That's the only one I have left to max out
red mist
snow burst is sick with privileged status
turbid needle
but bounties doesnt exactly give you that much darkness though
i only have rail left to reach heat 5
but still not enough darkness for that last buff of mirror
cunning urchin
10 was pre-1.0.
void zenith
Yeah, like I said - you get all but those last two while just playing the game. Focusing on maxing Persuasion isn't really a priority cause you get much more out of earning blood, gems and ambrosia
jagged perch
so how do i use ||rama||?
turbid needle
Q and then attack
put Zeus on that special and you can build anything at low heat
hushed sun
you dash around showering special on everybody and start nuking them one by one
red mist
I find it funny that you can reroll wells of charon but you can't reroll hammers
persuading hammers doesn't work apparently
void zenith
I mean, you'd literally be talking to a hammer
turbid needle
Dae is better than Gods confirmed
hushed sun
Daedalus be like "Who gives a damn about the fates"
turbid needle
Dae will be the upcoming secret boss
jaunty locust
so I'm trying out the Chaos aspect (Only just unlocked, so not as good as it could be alas) but... do the extra shields have different mechanics? they seem to disappear somtimes, but not always
void zenith
2 dashes is almost always better than anything else
void zenith
The only thing better than 2 dashes is 3 dashes
cunning urchin
You can persuade Wells and Pools and Pomegranates, though.
Because those have a mind.
Unlike hammers.
void zenith
I think persuading poms is more like Zag persuading himself to reconsider to which god he should dedicate eating that particular pom
And wells are just like a zoom call with charon, so you can persuade him to change selection
jaunty locust
I think the ghost shields have a bounce limit? or once they bounce twice they just disappear instead of return
void zenith
Hm, not super certain on that, but I think ghost shields just don't return in the first place
thorny basin
any suggestions on which keepsakes i should try to get/level up first?
already got tooth and collar up to t3
void zenith
Then again, I'm usually just firing them point-blank, so can't really tell how exactly their bounces work
jaunty locust
I mean, I know they do becuase I've tossed them at walls in the distance and watched them come back
bu tyeah, bull rush in and then mass throw is the play. I got poseidon on mine, but only one extra shield anyway
void zenith
My guess is they disappear once they hit an enemy
shadow shadow
@thorny basin boon control is pretty important so every god
spiral tree
ok this is tough
shadow shadow
can someone explain to me if ares doom stacks? does that require another boon? i cant google this
spiral tree
true shot rare/clean kill rare/presuure points epic
red mist
no it doesn't
shadow shadow
is there a boon that allows it to stack?
red mist
the ares boon lets doom stack for bonus damage on the one doom proc you get
jaunty locust
Ares doom does not stack
there is a boon that has multiple "stacks" increase the damage, but it's not multiplicative.
red mist
it's a super inefficient thing to build around
spiral tree
thinking pressure points?
red mist
that seems like a straightforward choice
if you have big crits take clean kill, pressure points if not
red mist
artemis attack/special
spiral tree
yeah I havbe art attack boon
cunning urchin
It's Boiling Blood. You take +100% damage.
red mist
boiling blood seems to run in the family lol
void zenith
Does the boiling blood debuff stack multiplicatively or additively?
Like, if you have two of them put on you, do you take x2 or x4 damage?
red mist
good question
in the meantime I will say that hitting things with aspect of hades debuff+privileged status+boiling blood is fun
jaunty locust
ugh but I hate charging up my weaponnn
cunning urchin
Not sure if Boiling Blood stacks with itself tbh. It's additive with Hard Labor, anyway.
void zenith
I just noticed that sometimes you get 2 skulls above your healthbar, so I figured it was two stacks of BB
red mist
hmm, I got offered aphrodite vs zeus
I have level 5 aphrodite attack
and zeus revenge
void zenith
do you have privileged status?
red mist
yep, currently I'm enabling it with snow burst
void zenith
Oh, then you have it covered
red mist
which is more reliable than revenge
void zenith
I'd say go for Aphrodite
Try to get more damage to weak, or stronger weak effect
Sweet surrender is the more damage boon
quasi folio
what are yalls favorite build/aspect with the fists thus far?
void zenith
I've had a lot of fun with Talos + Ares doom builds lately
onyx folio
in terms of it making me go pretty far, talos + doom yea
not my favourite but its hella good
void zenith
Gotta invest into it a good deal, but damage gets pretty mad
onyx folio
talos is my fav aspect for sure
cunning urchin
Divine Strike + Hunter Dash + Deadly Strike + Support Fire + Deadly Reversal.
void zenith
Not over Aphrodite, no
cunning urchin
No idea? Can't see what build you have on what aspect.
onyx folio
demeter is best for bow/rail imo
red mist
demeter call looks good
onyx folio
being able to slow from a distance and prevent them from coming closer is real nice
chiron bow with demeter special worked like a charm
does her decay count as another status for privilege actually?
bc thatd be disgusting
1 god for both
cunning urchin
No.
onyx folio
damnm
cunning urchin
You can easily get them back, though.
onyx folio
||patrocles first option pog||
cunning urchin
So it's not the worst outcome.
onyx folio
its called kiss of styx right
cunning urchin
Right.
onyx folio
memory pog
cunning urchin
Two tier 2 boons from Lady Athena will replenish DDs: Last Stand and Deathless Stand.
warm snow
I don't always meet || Patroclus ||. Maybe Kiss of Styx
red mist
earlier I had heroic hunter's instinct, pressure points and all the artemis stuff
cunning urchin
You can buy Kisses of Styx from Wells, those will be a lot cheaper now.
onyx folio
yeah theyre 200 dollar
red mist
oh that's one way to get value out of charon
void zenith
The worst outcome is when you get to Patroclos with all DDs intact, but then lose 2 of them to the next room with elite shields 
red mist
gotta use all those DDs
onyx folio
that the god gauge gen one?
red mist
yep
onyx folio
yeah its fairly meh compared to the other generators
lethal chasm
wow i dont think i can kill hades w fists..
i did it w a bad zag spear build earlier i though had 0 chance
and a juiced up fist couldnt do it smh
they make me too unga bunga i think lol
warm snow
I no longer fear the The Exalted. Just use fast attack/special. Always on the move.
cunning urchin
Fair warning, the mods don't like if you circumvent the swear filter like that.
lethal chasm
lol wasnt rly trying to just edited it to whatever
cunning urchin
Yeah, just letting you know lol.
onyx folio
quick favor, smoldering air and clouded judgement are nuts
lethal chasm
fasho
onyx folio
really want to try a zeus call run that has all 3 of those
cunning urchin
I once wrote @#$# and they made me do chores for a week. They're very evil. 
thorny basin
how do you unlock aspects? do i need to do a run with the new weapon?
lethal chasm
lol ironic for a game about a place thats considered a swear word in modern vernacular
onyx folio
just unlock every weapon with keys
warm snow
Farel, this is an example: ||https://hades.gamepedia.com/Twin_Fists#Revealing_the_Aspect_of_Gilgamesh||
lethal chasm
||so to get leg fist i gotta just... run til i find asterius enough times?||
warm snow
yes!
lethal chasm
ouch.
if i could do the runs w any other weapon >_>
hammer buffs for fists when >_>
lethal chasm
yeah watching speedruns i realize thats where i mess up
warm snow
that's when you lose a lot of HP
warm snow
so they attack, pause, attack, pause
you should only use special when they pause
hushed sun
I use specials like a finisher
cunning urchin
Malphon hammers are great.
lethal chasm
really?
hushed sun
granted, special does a lot of damage... but I feel a bit vulnerable
lethal chasm
yeah i usually go for artemis special or athena or aphro for the big dmg lol
doesnt work out at redact
warm snow
a simple guide: || https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2068902041 ||
hushed sun
Malphon hammers are great.
Explosive upper and 4th fist feels broken somewhat
warm snow
I value the speed, not the high damage
you can kill enemies very fast with just attack
lethal chasm
yeah i had explosive w artemis and was hitting 800 on the way down
thought i had him ;_;
thorny basin
ok so you have to do a run after unlocking the last weapon for aspects to show up
hushed sun
yus afaik
thorny basin
nobody said that <.<
the pinned guid in spopilers doesnt say that either
anyway
hades aspect spear gud?
hearty elbow
gud
hushed sun
s w e e p
thorny basin
i assume you want to find the spin charge speen or whatever it is?
hearty elbow
Nah, that's more for memes
You want attack or special damage hammers. Exploding Launcher, Serrated Point
hearty elbow
Nope
thorny basin
sad days
hearty elbow
You can smooth out the gameplay a lot by charging spin after dash-striking
thorny basin
is there a good starting boon class for the speen?
hearty elbow
I typically start Heartbreak Strike to try to cheese my way to Smoldering Air
thorny basin
i have no idea what that is
hushed sun
aphrodite attack boon*
red mist
hmm which god to start with on eris exagryph
red mist
I like the pewpew plan
fellas what do I do if my buildaround attack/special boon is a common
cunning urchin
Take it.
void zenith
Hope for eurydice or demeter
cunning urchin
Put poms on it if you like.
But putting poms on it is good either way. Pom scaling isn't affected by rarity.
cunning urchin
I'd personally keep Dash empty for potentially Divine Dash later on.
But Thunder Dash isn't bad.
red mist
oh right reroll is an option
void zenith
Aw damn
Fresh file, second run with a bow
Went all the way to elysium but died to a butterfly ball
cunning urchin
Why would you do that?
void zenith
Start a fresh file, you mean?
cunning urchin
Die to a butterfly ball.
void zenith
Cause I had zeus attack and athena special
lethal chasm
athena special on bow is good
void zenith
Cause damage bad 
lethal chasm
blanket deflectz
void zenith
Athena special and dash was the reason I got so far in the first place, cause I also got epic deflect damage bonus
red mist
pretty stuck here
void zenith
But the ball just has so much hp that by the time I killed it there were too many shield and arrow dudes to deal with
red mist
I'm still on the same choice. epic special vs reroll
lethal chasm
lol youll get it in a few runs
butterfly balls are ez
can kill them fast w bow aswell if u shotgun the projectiles
void zenith
I mean, having no mirror buffs also does that to you
lethal chasm
prob
void zenith
Ooh nice. Got a hammer with a minotaur rush right off the bat
austere shadow
Is crit stygius really that good
cunning urchin
Yes.
void zenith
Okay, this shield run is going pretty well. Minotaur rush is all I needed to beat theseus and asterius
hushed sun
why would you rocket bomb eris
i don't use eris a lot so i might be wrong, but the whole aspect is built around standing in the blast radius
limber pine
uh, Eris can still trigger with rocket bomb
hushed sun
no I'm genuinely curious if there could be a legitimate reason behind taking rocket bomb
limber pine
damage
analog sail
If you want better stagger and you're mostly in melee dange
hushed sun
but then you'd always have to fire bombs in point blank range
*in order to buff self, that is
If you want better stagger and you're mostly in melee dange
oh yeah i guess, if you have aphrodite cast or something
shadow shadow
can someone explain to me the appeal of guan yu
limber pine
free healing, special has AOE and the best special damage
hushed sun
can someone explain to me the appeal of guan yu
massive heal
shadow shadow
oh alright
hushed sun
also multiple hit i think
old mason
I had a barely successful Guan Yu run at least, but in hindsight it seemed like it would be ideally built with chill and Pierced Butterfly since you need to avoid getting hit anyway
solid raptor
Wait. How much titan blood does it cost to fully upgrade a zagreus aspect?
limber pine
Zagreus Aspect are usually 5 bloods to max, 1 each level
solid raptor
Whoops
limber pine
the others are like 15 or 16
solid raptor
Does it go up by 1 each time on all aspects?
Or do the ones that start on 2 level out?
void zenith
Dang! made it to last boss, but died on phase 2
limber pine
the last aspect is usually 3 each level for 15 total