all of them rare
#h1-builds-and-combat
dry ember
16 HP and a dream
cunning urchin
@spiral tree apparently you need to unlock at least 5 Aspects (Zag Aspects don't count) and have the Fated List of Minor Prophecies.
So if you've only unlocked Nemesis, you need to unlock another 4.
@livid comet Premium Vintage.
Don't forget to pick up the Nectar he drops for you.
dry ember
People also walks into lava to reset SD despite dying once in the same room.
And yes, the grammar is intentional.
livid comet
dead @ lernie
cunning urchin
If at first tenth you don't succeed, try, try again.
livid comet
I assume ares special over cast and revenge?
cuz, y'know, core boon?
ooh artemis
I assume atk
cunning urchin
Actually, no, not his Special. You need either Divine Strike or Divine Flourish in 1.0 for Merciful End.
But for ME, you'll want Curse of Agony.
So you need to leave Special empty for Divine Flourish.
livid comet
his special was the only core boon that showed up 😦
high geode
So I read somewhere that stygian soul + poseidon blade was supposed to be good? Wouldn't having the 3 casts be better off since you can special them off and reuse them faster?
livid comet
oh well, I've got artemis now
cunning urchin
That's why you should have picked Curse of Vengeance if you wanted ME later in the run.
livid comet
damn do I rinse and repeat?
cunning urchin
"Always core boons" only really applies to Lady Athena here.
You can just go for Deadly Strike now.
And try to get Deadly Reversal.
livid comet
so I guess this is an Ath/ares/art/dio run now
premium vintage or trippy shot?
(33/50 hp)
high geode
I don't have my 2 statuses for priveleged curse
I guess I can get them later on, especially since I know Lady Demeter is on my list
thorn jolt
can you get worldsplitter on ||excalibur||
dry ember
No Argent
cunning urchin
Premium Vintage, yeah.
spiral tree
dry ember
Yup @unkempt pagoda you still have that worldsplitter vid?
hard kelp
is there a good build for aspect of || arthur ||?
main osprey
is there meant to be a delay before casts appear with || Beo ||? (using Charged Shot)
tawny rain
@hard kelp usual crit can get some big, big numbers on that stick
a form of chill can make stuff ultra slow on the aura too
dark quail
Which boons do you go for with chaos shield?
livid comet
aaaa
main osprey
and damage on your special (zeus, ares, dio)
tawny rain
dunno if it still works, but Zeus was really fun to stick on Chaos
livid comet
main osprey
it doesn't work quite as well as it used to, but it's still very good
tawny rain
oh! uuuuuuh without knowing your weapon...xD
livid comet
first run on a new save yea\
tawny rain
I am tempted to say Special cause the AoE it is safer at that point...XD
untold vortex
didn't deadly reversal get the merciful end treatment though 🤔
livid comet
cunning urchin
Why you gotta remind me of that.
Hunter's Mark.
Wanna keep your Special slot open for Divine Flourish.
For Deadly Reversal.
tawny rain
no question, hunter mark indeed
main osprey
asking again because it got buried--is || Beo's || cast supposed to have a brief delay before it fires? Using Charged Shot
livid comet
welp, dead @ meg
tawny rain
what do you mean with delay? cause casts work kind of different with that one
main osprey
as in
the shot fires
the shot fades away
and then a moment
and then the cast
I can get video?
tawny rain
but that weapon doesn't shoot...
rigid hazel
what's good with the ||Gilgamesh|| aspect of the fists? Blade rift dash + regular ares doom and athena special for merciful end duo?
cunning urchin
You'll want Divine Dash if you want Merciful End.
untold vortex
if you go blade rifts, you need to go all in on it
if you want merciful end you'll want Divine Dash as Nyaan said
main osprey
this video doesn't show it super well because imgur has horrible framerate, but
|| https://imgur.com/GQO5O3S ||
hearty folio
@rigid hazel i love to run that with weapon with doom special, heartbreak attack, more dashes, divinne dash.
cunning urchin
That's how it's supposed to work. @main osprey what am I looking for? 
Behaves as expected.
tawny rain
I think that is how it is supposed to work?
main osprey
that's what I'm asking about--is there supposed to be that delay?
if it's yes, that's fine, I just want to know
hearty folio
Looks fine to me too. What delay?
tawny rain
which delay? do you get frozen before charging attack?
main osprey
the delay after the shot ends, before the cast fires
tawny rain
I think that's normal
cunning urchin
Cast always triggers on the recovery of your Rush or Shot, yes.
The shot is just active for longer than you probably think.
tawny rain
picture zagreus traveling
hearty folio
The cast triggers at the end of the rush/shot
tawny rain
so it works indeed like that
cunning urchin
The explosion also has a little bit of startup animation before it's active, as far as I'm aware. I haven't counted frames.
livid comet
urge to kill?
tawny rain
moar damage
livid comet
since it's too late for ME now
dark quail
What are the best dedalus hammer upgrades for chaos shield?
main osprey
dashing flight
dark quail
Any others which are solid? i got offered charged shot, explosive return and minotaur rush right now
main osprey
charged shot + minotaur rush is my favorite combo
return is good on chaos on its own though
cunning urchin
Yeah, probably Urge to Kill.
main osprey
since you're using the special so much
cunning urchin
I do like Battle Rage, but probably not on Lv.0 Stygius.
That's better for Beowulf, Hestia, etc.
cunning urchin
Premium Vintage.
livid comet
did you say to grab brilliant riposte?
tardy dragon
\
livid comet
livid comet
should I buy dio or heart?
I'm at pre-boss
65/95
I've only got the dash and brilliant riposte and premium vintage
cunning urchin
Yeah, Brilliant Riposte.
livid comet
can only choose the one
cunning urchin
Errr . . . Hmmm, probably the Centaur Heart.
untold vortex
cunning urchin
Sounds good!
next moss
totally not "build and combat" related
but fishing on switch is so easy
closing your eyes and relying on controller rumble = perfect fish, every time
cunning urchin
You're fighting the river waters to save the fishies.
untold vortex
Pog
cunning urchin
Good good.
untold vortex
lady athena was incredibly pleased with the offering
cunning urchin
Centaur Heart.
merry oxide
what's a good build for the new fists
cunning urchin
No idea tbh. I think it's way to new to say what's good.
merry oxide
how good is the new chaos shield btw
cunning urchin
You could check what @kind cloud used for 43 Heat.
And, I think @steady hatch did 45?
Those builds are evidently viable, but that doesn't mean they're the best.
But it's good to start from somewhere.
steady hatch
45 what?
cunning urchin
Fists 4.
steady hatch
Hidden aspect?
cunning urchin
Yeah.
steady hatch
I haven't
cunning urchin
Oh. I misremembered then. Have you used them much?
steady hatch
Struggled at 40 heat and gave up
livid comet
149 gold. dio or charon?
cunning urchin
I struggled on the 2 32 Heat runs I've tried with it lol.
Clearly @kind cloud has to tell us their secret.
merry oxide
what's the best ||luci|| build for 32h
cunning urchin
Lightning Strike.
livid comet
I could pick up dio cast I suppose?
cunning urchin
Imo rail 4 is just worse rail 1.
livid comet
rail 4 is pretty bad
livid comet
lmao
merry oxide
what would be easiest for 32h
turbid needle
rail but without the cool rockets
livid comet
aight, gonna risk it and take the dio
turbid needle
ur fav weapon is the easiest for 32
cunning urchin
^
turbid needle
gg
cunning urchin
Imo Excalibur, Hestia, or Beowulf are the easiest for 32.
Assuming you can play each well, of course.
Excalibur is probably overall the easiest.
livid comet
yeah why not
cunning urchin
At 32, you can still just face-tank Hades with Excalibur.
livid comet
but I don't think it makes a massive difference for cali
turbid needle
u dont even need levels in beo heh
cunning urchin
I do think it makes a big difference for Excalibur.
You can just play any weapon you like that's Lv.4 or 5 and see where it gets you.
stiff flume
merry oxide
assuming chaos shield is no where near as good now?
cunning urchin
Getting first-hand experience and practice with 32 > hypothesizing what aspect works best.
livid comet
okay, died to lernie, let's go again
cunning urchin
No idea. Probably not as good as it used to be.
Might be secretly better now and no one's figured it out yet.
turbid needle
choas shield is still pretty gud
cunning urchin
Yeah, probably.
turbid needle
esp for 32
cunning urchin
Depending on what pacts you take.
If you never practiced EM3 + FO2, you'll probably die in that fight.
If you've practiced EM3 + FO2, though . . . you'll probably die in that fight.
untold vortex
EM3 FO2 can be very rough
dire wedge
Currently practicing EM4 with FO2, BP1, and MM and I'm trying to see if I wanna risk EM4 at 32 heat. ||Dad's call|| has been suprisingly helpful in the last fight.
livid comet
so I'm getting steadily better with meg
untold vortex
niceu 
livid comet
which is part of the reason I decided to do the NG run in the first place
barren otter
You know what I really love about Aphrodite's call? It singlehandedly destroys EM3 fight. All you have to do is just charm Asterius as he does his massive spin attack. He will easily kill Theseus for you.
fervent mural
fqavourite non secret aspect on the fists?
deciding on which one i spend my blood on
median oar
probably demeter
fervent mural
yeah 6x spezial hit sounds kinda dope lol
mhh
does zeus lightning works well with that?
1 spezial = 6 hits = 6 lightning strikes?
median oar
I only tried it once and gave up so can't give you that detail, but I think there's an internal cd
fervent mural
ah yes rip
untold vortex
yeah 0.2 second internal cooldown
fervent mural
mhh then probably dio it isd
normal attack weak
dios poison insta stacks to 6 with spezial
untold vortex
5* you need the aphro x dio duo boon to get upwards of 8
untold vortex
insta 5 stack is still great :3
fervent mural
thats 200 damage base
mhh
rupture is 300 base 🤔
and shorter
but needs 2 boons
mhhh
untold vortex
and if you really want to go nuts building into black out is fun :3
fervent mural
black out?
fervent mural
interesting
vague ledge
What should I build for when using Chiron bow? Everyone says go Zeus but It’s pretty lackluster
cunning urchin
Errr... Heartbreak Strike + Deadly Flourish + Heart Rend is a good combo.
fervent mural
mhh i think poseidon rupture is still better. also allows for great duo boons
but yeah never really tried a dio run ;D so lets do that
cunning urchin
That's probably the most meta build for it.
untold vortex
heartbreak strike + dio special + the duo is also a good combo
cunning urchin
Yeah, that too.
I think people like Deadly Flourish, Drunken Flourish, and Frost Flourish the most.
Also Tempest Flourish.
Those four are the most common I've seen.
I haven't used the aspect myself at all in 1.0, I just pay a lot of attention to the meta, though.
void fjord
frost flourish with arctic blast is pretty good
untold vortex
frost flourish is good at getting consistent artic blast procs from what I hear
void fjord
with chiron
cunning urchin
Yeah, that or just easily stacking Chill for slow.
untold vortex
exactly ^_^
cunning urchin
Also, easy Privileged Status.
leaden belfry
i cant get through the third boss. any tips?
cunning urchin
What's killing you exactly?
leaden belfry
eh the combination of the bull and the man (i am bad at names sorry) but mostly the bull charging at me
cunning urchin
How good are you at just beating Asterius himself if you get the miniboss fight?
Ah I see.
lament creek
you gotta do the torreador thing and make the bull hit the pillar
lament creek
alternatively get athena's call and just
stand there as he's charging
cunning urchin
That's a bad idea because he won't stop running. He'll just circle you.
Because you have no hurtbox for him to ram into.
lament creek
uh no? im pretty sure he does crash on you
cunning urchin
Nope.
hushed ledge
... huh
the game just gave me no hammer in tart/ash, and two in ely
this is very strange
reef galleon
Doesn't he have two types of charges? The one where he stops and shoots three waves and the one where he charges at you for a long time?
cunning urchin
Kite Asterius between a pillar and the wall, and fight him there. When he charges, just dash right through him. He'll crash into either the pillar or the wall trying to do a 180.
The pillar will also give you protection from Theseus.
reef galleon
@hushed ledge not really
echo rivet
what happened if i over exceed with heat? does i get more bounties?
cunning urchin
@hushed ledge I'm only aware of 2 hammers being guaranteed to show up before the Temple of Styx. Don't know any specifics beyond that.
hushed ledge
huh
cunning urchin
It's either bad RNG, or you missed one earlier and it showed up again.
hushed ledge
i would have sworn that it was 1 in z1/2 and another in z3/4
cunning urchin
@echo rivet if you need e.g. 5 Heat and you do 6 Heat, it will just give you the bounties for 5 Heat. You don't get "more".
hushed ledge
because i'm sure i didn't skip one in tart/ash
cunning urchin
It's easy to miss an exit in Asphodel especially.
cunning urchin
Sometimes there's a third boat way to the side.
@reef galleon there's a Bull Rush before 50%, and there's a different Bull Rush after 50%. But they both behave the same way. "Bull Rush 2" just shoots those projectiles when he rams into something.
EM Bull Rush is just the same but faster.
leaden belfry
Kite Asterius between a pillar and the wall, and fight him there. When he charges, just dash right through him. He'll crash into either the pillar or the wall trying to do a 180.
@cunning urchin i will try thanks ^^
hushed ledge
i struggle with bull rush ever since the change in i think blood price where they changed how asterius turns
messed up all my muscle memory
next moss
that's the second run i pick the hammer "your special becomes a lunge" on the sword
cunning urchin
Well, try what I suggested. Works like a charm every time.
hushed ledge
i used to do that! and now i can't lol
reef galleon
that's the second run i pick the hammer "your special becomes a lunge" on the sword
try to use it as an advanced evade
next moss
hmm oki
cunning urchin
You can also stand right next to the wall and dash away at the last moment. That works, but it can be a little bit more difficult.
hushed ledge
that's what i've been ddoing
because i can't get the pillar timing down at all
he just goes "haha i'm going around"
reef galleon
I don't take responsibility for how advanced this second evade option would be, actually. It might be worse.
cunning urchin
Yeah, don't dash through pillars. I never try that.
I just dash through Asterius.
hushed ledge
i don't remember what i did, all i know is that it stopped working
cunning urchin
My favorite method is punching him with Malphon and Divine Strike.
crimson patrol
anyy use for shattered shakle? I find it pretty much uselesseven in the first area
smoky atlas
Is the 50% dmg bonus from boiling blood additive with other %dmg from boons
Or is it a total %
reef galleon
anyy use for shattered shakle? I find it pretty much uselesseven in the first area
@crimson patrol idk I finished runs with it. Worked like a charm.
cunning urchin
Additive.
next moss
all bonuses are additing except crit, but i might be wrong
crimson patrol
you dont use boons?
reef galleon
It allowed me to put emphasis on something other than attack \ special boons
cunning urchin
"Charged" Hammers are multiplicative, and crits are multiplicative.
Heart Rend is also multiplicative.
(not Charged Shot for Aegis)
smoky atlas
👍 thank you
crimson patrol
I think that any attack up with pathetic number is multiply
untold vortex
50% extra crit damage on foes afflicted by weak
next moss
yeah ok
crimson patrol
like 10% up from ares or vs weaken of aphro
cunning urchin
I think that any attack up with pathetic number is multiply
Nope.
crimson patrol
those are like very low number to be additive
cunning urchin
I suppose so, but it is what it is. 
hushed ledge
they don't want sweet surrender being meta ever again i think
crystal flare
is it worth it to invest into the Abyssal Blood talent?
reef galleon
Can one discern which are multiplicative and which are additive by themselves in the game?
Is that the reason for something being percentage based vs being just an increasing number?
Never cared about numbers
crimson patrol
it doesnt make much sense for you deal extra damage to a condition effect with like under 10% to be additive though
cunning urchin
Can one discern which are multiplicative and which are additive by themselves in the game?
Sadly no.
cunning urchin
Well, I'm just explaining how it works. You can leave that in #hades-feedback if you feel that way.
We've tested all those things.
@crystal flare yeah, sure. Usually, people stick with either Abyssal Blood or Boiling Blood and never switch, but I think they're both very viable.
crystal flare
cool, cool. Does it slows Boss movements as well?
cunning urchin
Yeah.
crystal flare
aah I seee
untold vortex
the enemies are taking a well deserved nap :p
crimson patrol
not much because boss attack moves them forward
smoky atlas
guess zeus is better for rail attack than other % boon then
crimson patrol
they dont usually walk unless fury boss
cunning urchin
It slows down all of their movement including attacks.
next moss
ooh
so im in tartarus
like chamber 9
already got the aphro/poseidon duo
"poms of power are +1"
a-anyone 😭 im choosing the keepsake for asphodel
smoky atlas
take a gods keepsake if you need to force a boon
next moss
i don't
smoky atlas
otherwise i always go ||pom|| all the way
next moss
i like to hypnos early
my cash mirror is the interest one
eh screw it
i'll go pom and test myself
smoky atlas
probably multiplicative with other sources of dodge
so youll end up with like 50% at best if you stack dodge
next moss
rip
latent geyser
i just use hermes with melee builds and butterfly with ranged
untold vortex
please spoiler tag ||pom keepsake|| @next moss
dodge is effectively multiplicative yeah
forest iris
Question: What's the difference between Bronze Skin and Different League?
Also, I got a choice to make. Guan Yu spear, and I can choose from Life Affirmation or Different League
Life Affirmation is rare, Different League is epic
untold vortex
Life Affirmation for sure
forest iris
thank you kindly
untold vortex
Life Affirmation is just a great boon in general
royal meadow
any tips on playing bow and railgun. just to clear whatever heat i am on which is vry low for this 2 weapon currently
esp for boon
lament creek
zeus attack for rail
royal meadow
i cant seem to play them well and its annoying when i need to use them to get darkness boost
cunning urchin
I somehow managed to lose a practically perfect Spear 4 run on only 18 Heat because I'm not used to Serrated Point dash range. 
royal meadow
was using zeus attack for rail but the single dps is very weak. not sure ifi did anyth wrong
narrow rampart
serrated point dash range is a slap on the face
cunning urchin
Deadly Strike, Heartbreak Flourish, Phalanx Shot, Divine Dash, Zeus' Aid, Smoldering Air, Heart Rend, Lightning Phalanx, Parting Shot, extra DD, Touch of Styx from Patroclus . . .
narrow rampart
I am at my wit's end
I can't seem to trigger the Achilles conversation for Spear 4
Low-key wanna go back to my pre-1.0 save
cunning urchin
Do you have 5 aspects unlocked?
royal meadow
can i ask a qn. if new patch comes in. can we still play on our current save and it will automatically update or do we have to play a new save (I am someone who hates playing new saves in particular)
cunning urchin
You can keep playing.
cunning urchin
For Privileged Status? No.
leaden belfry
soo
crimson patrol
RIP
leaden belfry
i am managing to get asterus down but then am too low and die to the human (as said am bad with names)
narrow rampart
theseus (the human) is highly telegraphed; try to watch for his attacks and respond to them properly. you can avoid almost all of his attacks
for example, his spear throw attack shows a target reticle on you; to avoid it, you can stand behind one of the pillars so it obstructs the hit, and since asterius is melee, he will probably follow you there, and you can fight him behind the pillar
for Theseus's spin attack, when you see him try to do it, walk as far away from him as possible
for the most part, that's all you have to worry about from Theseus
but also, Athena's dash is super useful in this fight (and in the whole game), so try to get that
leaden belfry
yea i heard athenas dash is the best defensive boon
narrow rampart
it is
stiff sparrow
Dash dash and dash....😂
narrow rampart
relied on it entirely when i first started playing
narrow rampart
if you get the Hermes extra dashes boon in conjunction with it, even better!
lament creek
i would have sworn that it was 1 in z1/2 and another in z3/4
@hushed ledge
checked in lua files, second hammer only appears after room 26
but first hammer can appear whenever
so you just got unlucky that it didn't appear early
leaden belfry
okay i no hitted asterus solo
wth
that is lowkey op
XD
the shield on lvl 5 is pog
worn citrus
I feel like I'm performing worse against Theseus and Asterius every time I get there lol
It's mostly with Malphon, I guess. Unless I have long knuckle I have a hard time getting in close to deal some damage without taking a swing in return when dashing out.
sacred notch
Almost every time I fight them with Malphon I've tried to have some way to do damage to them without Malphon itself. [DoT effects on casts, for example]
wheat folio
you can always do cast runs and not care about weapon :P
worn citrus
Asterius outranges me easily though. So he often gets a hit in on "accident" when I'm trying to disengage
I almost never get the boons I want for a cast run tho
wheat folio
artemis' cast is really good, you should use keepsakes to get the boons you need
worn citrus
My favourite weapon is the shield, but I can't just play with the shield forever
All my other weapons are trailing behind on heat
What aspects do you suggest for the different weapons?
cunning urchin
You can.
worn citrus
I need to G R O W
wheat folio
yeah you dont really need to play with all weps xd
unless you need a lot of resources i guess
worn citrus
Variety is the spice of life, but getting my ass kicked because I'm way better with shield makes me sad.
Incidentally I feel like I do need a lot of resources
Then again I do often want to 100%
wheat folio
gl on 100%-ing hades, it's a load of work
i cant remember how much titan blood you need for maxing out all aspects
but it;s a lot
worn citrus
Like 300 I think
Is it fine to mention like hidden aspects and stuff here? I didn't see anything about spoilers.
wheat folio
uhhh
i think spoilers only mean story spoilers?
but you can still tag them as spoiler i guess
leaden belfry
i beat ||asterus and theusus|| for the first time
wheat folio
gratz
untold vortex
niceu congrats
reef galleon
Hidden aspects need spoiler tags
worn citrus
woops
cunning urchin
Take Heartbreak Strike, Deadly Strike, or Divine Strike.
You can dash inbetween the 3-hit Attack combo of Stygius without interrupting the combo. So make good use of that.
leaden belfry
oh god
worn citrus
Yeah, you can dash
leaden belfry
after that it goes hard
worn citrus
But sometimes I feel like it gets interrupted anyway?
Maybe it's because I do a dash attack?
jaunty solar
you need to be quick cuz it breaks off quick
worn citrus
It probably abandoned the combo since I was too slow, then
cunning urchin
Yeah.
jaunty solar
yea i used to dash strike cancel the combo to skip the thrust on stygius
worn citrus
Ok, but makes sense that I want to maximise damage and avoid things that benefit from fast trigger
cunning urchin
I'd recommend just practicing a bit on Skelly to get the timing down. It's really helpful.
jaunty solar
last attack is too slow you are better off doing a special and starting over unless it is the hidden aspect
imo at least
(this is asuming you have nemesis)
cunning urchin
You can def hit with the 3rd swing reliably without getting hit.
Oh. Yeah, conversation is about the hidden aspect. Since somebody asked about that.
jaunty solar
ooooh
alright then hidden aspect last hit hits like a truck
definately dont cancel that lmao
i remember getting a 2k single swing with it
worn citrus
I just get bonked in return while trying to land the last attack though. I guess I get too greedy
jaunty solar
i mean if you are keeping the special up that shouldnt be too much of a problem
unless you have hard labor maxed lmao
worn citrus
Yeah, I guess I need to get better with that. Unless I get the right hammer upgrade it's just sooo small tho
jaunty solar
try rolling for faster attack on hermes boons?
worn citrus
Yeah, that'd be good
I'm just bitter because I got killed by last boss last time
I was close tho...
jaunty solar
i had the same thing with hera coronatch on my last run
it was a clown fiesta that run ngl
worn citrus
Last time I played with the bow I had Chiron aspect with +4 arrows on special and all poseidon zeus boons
Whoops.
jaunty solar
literally lost all death defiences on furies and asphodel, bought them all up again from the wells and lost them all again at heroes
then died at last boss with one dd and another from skelly keepsake
i cant bow to save my life
onyx parcel
Yo
worn citrus
Hello
jaunty solar
huh?
reef galleon
r u sure
jaunty solar
f10 to report it i guess
onyx parcel
I’m on switch
untold vortex
have you fully unlocked your mirror?
untold vortex
then it's as intended
onyx parcel
Ahhhhh
untold vortex
yeah, using RI when you don't have a full mirror would either be free heat or a nightmare
small stirrup
RI 1 is just free heat tbh
worn citrus
I gotta say || Using Dragon Rush with shield hidden aspect with Festive Fog into like 10 enemies is so nice.||
echo grove
hey, i just beat the game for the first time, i have a few titan blood but i don't know what to spend them on. what should i do if i want to play sword/gloves for now?
next moss
you get a preview of the aspect's playstyle
start by buffing those that seem fun to you
onyx parcel
hey, i just beat the game for the first time, i have a few titan blood but i don't know what to spend them on. what should i do if i want to play sword/gloves for now?
@echo grove low level aspects are all pretty ass
next moss
also yes
echo grove
oh ok
onyx parcel
So unless u upgrade them to like level 3 u won’t notice a big difference
next moss
if you have enough blood for ten lv1 aspect or two lv5
onyx parcel
But nemesis is good at level 1
next moss
go for the two lv5
median oar
zag aspects only cost 5 blood so they're a smaller investment but many zag aspects blow
echo grove
so useless to max out a base aspect
reef galleon
No
reef galleon
Max out what you want
onyx parcel
Nemesis is still a good option
median oar
no its a fundamental early game problem is not knowing where to put your unrefundable very limited blood
echo grove
yeah
onyx parcel
There are some decent one point wonder aspects
Watch Jawless Paul’s video
On one point wonders
reef galleon
Spend blood, try out weapon, start run, give up, return to the point where you haven't yet spent blood. Repeat until satisfied with choice.
onyx parcel
That works too^
reef galleon
"Give Up" is a specific option in the pause menu btw
cunning urchin
Honestly, the first level barely makes a difference on anything.
onyx parcel
Make sure u don’t walk back to ur bedroom
Or else the game saves
Also don’t die in ur run
@echo grove
cunning urchin
You can still give up before you die.
You'll get a whole lot of Titan Blood eventually, anyway.
echo grove
got it
worn citrus
Anyone get any general advice for using the spear? It just doesn't feel as strong compared to other weapons unless I charge up the spin and that sure takes a while.
onyx parcel
Hades aspect
reef galleon
I just collected enough blood to max out something and then unlocked it.
cunning urchin
Think of it as the Fates testing your determination.
onyx parcel
Hades aspect makes the spin at least twice as much better
worn citrus
Yeah, I am using the Hades aspect.
cunning urchin
@reef galleon same, early on I tried out a few different aspects, but eventually I didn't bother unlocking anything I couldn't max out immediately.
Or at least get to Lv.4.
worn citrus
So it for sure is better
onyx parcel
Yeah, I am using the Hades aspect.
@worn citrus do u know how to charge a spin with a dash strike
Do u know how to end a spin with a dash
worn citrus
You can what
Wait, you mean dashing so you do a spin during the dash? Like dashing out of a charged spin?
reef galleon
To cancel the spin with a dash
worn citrus
Yes.
onyx parcel
Wait, you mean dashing so you do a spin during the dash? Like dashing out of a charged spin?
@worn citrus that
Yes
Bring the radius to a even bigger area
Works wonders
worn citrus
Yeah, it's great
onyx parcel
And u look cool doing it
worn citrus
But it feels generally like the spin is the only thing worth something with spear
onyx parcel
Idk if u still don’t like spear at that point maybe it’s just personal preference
worn citrus
Like the jabs are somewhat weak
echo grove
thanks for helping btw ^^
worn citrus
So if I get pressured by enemies and can't charge a spin it feels weak, so to speak.
onyx parcel
Not weak when u have punishing sweep on them
worn citrus
It's super nice to have a charged spin and just slam it into a bunch of spawns tho
hexed dust
what's the best cast for Hera bow again 
?
onyx parcel
Dio
hexed dust
ooh ty
void fjord
kono dio da
night path
holy crab, || extreme measures hades' cerberus summon is very... powerful. not sure there's even a spot to avoid it ||
teal wren
is there a trick to pick up Defiance from Chaos? I'm picking up ~3-4 chaos boons per run for the last 20 runs and no cigar
night path
it's random
cunning urchin
Cosmic Egg, Yarn of Ariadne, and Refreshing Nectar all increase your odds.
Also, you can reroll with Fated Persuasion.
teal wren
yeah figured it might as well be just bad luck
median oar
is there any weapon with a similar 'feel' to that of sword 4? like dummy huge hits
teal wren
bow 4 kinda
hard holly
Hestia
lament creek
bow 2 kinda, if you pack 3 casts every time in it
hard holly
Bow in general can also do it
lament creek
wait thats bow 3
hearty elbow
Rama and Excalibur are surprisingly similar. I think it's definitely the closest one.
night path
Except excalibur doesn't feel awful to use honestly
hearty elbow
Though Rama still has the option to play from range and do fast special builds.
hearty elbow
Sorry you feel that way
hushed ledge
Iirc they were super busted during the testing phase for the patch
(think "Zeus special procs on every hit")
night path
They're okay, but spear special builds and rail special are just flat better
Even w/o rocket for either
viscid finch
Can anyone explain the difference between Boon rarity and the effects of Poms of Power?
hollow sage
hearty elbow
From both a biased and analytical standpoint, I think Rama special builds have one of the highest ceilings, and post buff Rama is definitely in conversation for best aspect at high heat. But yeah, can't fix just not enjoying the weapon
hard holly
Poms increase the damage % by a set value that doesnt care what rarity the boon is
Rarity just increases the base value by up to 2.5 I think (for heroic)
viscid finch
Oh. So they kinda do almost the same thing?
night path
I actually enjoyed the machine gun rama, but it feels wanting
hard holly
Kinda
hearty elbow
It has nothing to do with the weapon's impactfulness though
hard holly
But you can pom the same boon multiple times
While you only get the rarity once
Technically there are a few ways to upgrade rarity
But theyre special
night path
I'm unsure whether rarity upgrade > pom level
viscid finch
OK. So it's like: Rarity is a boost to the foundation of a Boon. And a Pom is a boost that's added on to the end.
Thinking of it in terms of a gauge
hushed ledge
It's basically just two different forms of upgrades, imo think of it like a 2d surface
One direction is rarity, the other levels
hard holly
Well, rarity tends to upgrade the damage% more than a level
hushed ledge
But rarity has a much bigger impact
hard holly
So if youre choosing between those 2 options
Pick rarity
But at the same time, its also fine if you get a common boon
viscid finch
Ahhh... OK.
viscid finch
So it's better if you get a higher rarity in the beginning of a run
reef galleon
yes
hard holly
Yes, though again
The rarity doesnt matter for poms
It just means you start with more damage
viscid finch
because there's a better chance of getting Poms throughout
reef galleon
rarity doesn't affect the number of encountered poms in a run
viscid finch
Thanks y'all. Hades Discord is now two for two on explanations/ advice
reef galleon
it's better if you get a higher rarity all the time
So it's better if you get a higher rarity in the beginning of a run
viscid finch
Yeah. But I figure higher rarity stuff is less likely to appear towards the end of a run.
Right?
Or is it an equal chance no matter what?
reef galleon
It's an equal chance, but the Mirror of Night has talents that can increase the likelihood of a certain rarity
viscid finch
I see...
oblique forge
Yeah it’s the last one before the ||30 key unlock||
barren otter
Guess what? Got Huge Catch again (this time in the midshop of Elysium), total amount of fishing spots after taking it is 1 (Styx).
I think it might just be the worst boon in the game, cause not only does it not help the run in any way, but even then the effect from it is so tiny.
if the bonus fishing spot chance was 50%, it would at least be reasonable. 20% makes sense only when you get it at the start of the run (which is once per save file)
oblique forge
Agreed. Fishing spots aren’t even that useful
next moss
how does the zeus legendary work
i just picked it up on a zag spear with special
it...doesn't seem to do anything
barren otter
whenever you hit anything with any lightning boon, there is an additional small chain lightning bolt, which does 40 damage.
next moss
oh so that's the 44 😄 ok
naive sparrow
Are crits lowkey best boon? or just the most noob friendly
reef galleon
Crits are crits
naive sparrow
got the impression everything crit related is very good
next moss
ok that's very powerful lmao
lament creek
crits are multiplicative with everything else so they shine if you already have high damage on something
limber pine
noob friendly would be Athena
oblique forge
Athena is good, a bit basic
Although, the refilling of death defiance is kinda a lifesaver if you mess up on ||Theseus and asterius||
Which I do more than I’d like to admit.
hushed ledge
Tbh I've actually found MM barge to be about as hard as the og barge; that is, not at all
It's nice
oblique forge
MM?
jaunty solar
middle management i guess
next moss
the heat that makes minibosses harder
hushed ledge
Middle management, pact option
oblique forge
Listen I’m on like 2 heat to do
hushed ledge
Worst MM fight depends on build imo
limber pine
Chaos shield is pretty flexible in what Boons you want to run, I think Poseidon, Ares Special works well
oblique forge
Idk how to build for anything I just vibe with the boons I get
jaunty solar
@limber pine thanks man
oblique forge
Ok, Poseidon and spear is an amazing combo
hushed ledge
And then sometimes ||you get teleporting butterfly balls as FB summons||
oblique forge
Oh no
naive sparrow
is alternative to death defiance any good?
jaunty solar
@naive sparrow only on high heat
barren otter
it makes normal rooms more forgiving and boss rooms less forgiving.
next moss
@naive sparrow i'm exclusively running the alternative
jaunty solar
it makes normal rooms more forgiving and boss rooms less forgiving.
@barren otter exactly this
next moss
the game is less a battle of attrition and more of a series of fights
jaunty solar
playing as a battle of attrition adds a certain hype to it imo
next moss
you can kill yourself in asphodel and about half of elysium rooms to restore health if you end up at like 10%
jaunty solar
losing all dd on furies just to buy them back up before heroes is hype af
next moss
also i dont like how base DD is basically "lolol patroclus gg"
jaunty solar
or wish for wells
you dont need patroclus
i used dd like 7 times yesterday
without patroclus
next moss
200 gold kinda prevents the big hermes boon at styx and co so that's balanced
void fjord
though this is my personal bias, patroclus kiss of styx option is better with stubborn defiance
next moss
patroclus is just rng freebie
patroclus with stubborn defiance is the game laughing at you when you look for the food bag
lament creek
@cunning urchin
got athena's call in a run so i decided to test it, minotaur does crash into you if you're using it
https://imgur.com/8Nn1W0G
vague sapphire
Can you build your own guy with skills and weapons and keep them permanent or not?
cunning urchin
Yeah, I saw the same earlier. That looks like it's new.
hearty elbow
@lament creek that's huge. Invincible calls used to make him do a terrifying loopy loop dance in front of your face until it ended
hearty elbow
Pretty sure he treated you as not having a hitbox in Blood Price
vague sapphire
I think for all.
Like in dead cells you could do that or just run through with all workshop items you downloaded
viscid finch
Can anyone tell me when you unlock ||Companions||? I don't want to know what it is or what it does, just what you have to do to unlock it.
Unless that's spoilers too
void fjord
those are spilers @viscid finch its a story thing
viscid finch
Sweet! thanks
void fjord
and make sure you also have ambrosia
narrow rampart
hmm
I have none of my Zagreus aspects "unlocked", per se
Is that one of the pre-requisites for getting the 4th spear aspect?
void fjord
no
just invest 5 blood total into any of the aspect
then pray for rng from achilles
vague sapphire
Do you can't have a weapon and then it disappears after one run
void fjord
you can run with the same weapon as many times as u want but not the same boons and all
vague sapphire
Is boons like perks
void fjord
well in a way yea
they help your run
in deadcells terms
i suggest viewing this game differently from deadcells
vague sapphire
But do you like level up and can choose this or that like Bastion?
solid raptor
I had a question about aspects. I'm looking to get 1 win on 0 heat with each weapon before progressing. Which aspects have the best bang for your buck at only 1 level? So far I have nemesis sword, choas shield (I know that's a poor choice for 1 level) and achilles spear. Are there any others that improve on the base model with 1 level in the aspect?
void fjord
@vague sapphire https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbEprwGIrLw
check this video out i suggest
it explains a lot of mechanics
vague sapphire
Thx
void fjord
@solid raptor its upto u rly. A good starting aspect in my eyes is nemesis or hades aspect
the zag aspects are also rly good
plucky kiln
So, I finally beaten hydra and beaten first floor with second weapon, thus I have second titans blood. I exchanged first one for 200 gems to build most of the stuff I could find+unlock with keys, what should I do with second blood? I know you can enchant weapons somehow but it didn't give me. Option to do so
next moss
zag aspects are the more "balanced" id say
as in they push you the least towards a certain build
@plucky kiln keep it
to have the option to do so you need to ||unlock all weapons with keys||
next moss
dont trade any of the boss relics tbh
hollow spear
You don't really need to trade anything, until much much later
plucky kiln
I did it 2 hours into the game, I can't be blamed for not knowing 
although is it fine to trade crystals for keys or just build everything I can?
hollow spear
Usually the trades are pretty bad value for the early game, so just keep your stuff
next moss
i'm starting to see the end for diamonds but it's still far
yeah lunti other trades are fine
if i want to give some basic advice, rush keys and darkness early on
for the mirror
nectars if you figured out how to use them
but you need much less
plucky kiln
Yeah I have unlocked extra perks twice now, are other unlocks just as good as ||crystal ones|| or weaker as the ones following?
next moss
they're all good
depending on your tastes there's ||one of them in the middle you might not like cause it's oriented toward casting||
but the end is the best
plucky kiln
||what is casting again||
plucky kiln
Red one?
next moss
yes
plucky kiln
Thought it's a crystal, lol. I loved those, changed my views on ||boons that make it follow targets, saved my butt at hydra||
void fjord
casting is not a spoiler lol
plucky kiln
||at this point I got no clue what's a spoiler so better be safe||
next moss
to be honest spoilers should have an opening
like you can see a black text
it can be spoiler for first run
it can be spoiler for late postgame
i'm still in early mid postgame and i got spoiled once
hollow spear
Ah I see
void fjord
final boss and anything past it is considered spoilers
random light
Ok, so I've actually never used Poseidon sword before but that Mirage Shot Poseidon/Demeter Duo Cast run got me feeling in a cast mood, so what's a good build for Poseidon sword? I'm playing at like 10 Heat, so nothing crazy
Can I use Stygian Soul with Poseidon Sword or is it just way better to go back to Infernal
void fjord
infernal soul is beeter i think
barren otter
you can totally have a poseidon sword run with stygian soul
it's especially good if you get multiple casts and exit wounds
random light
oh man tight deadline at 5:00 minutes is
oooooh wheee
not as simple as i thought lmao
barren otter
always enter mid-biome shops to save time
primal hazel
Ayo
I wanna try out either a gy or hades run
Amy recons?
fair plinth
question about "random" boons - reloading save points doesn't change their outcome, but what about going back to the room after clearing other areas (talking about temple of styx here)
there's an anvil that removes a rather important upgrade I have and I'm wondering if it would change if I clear some tunnels first
primal hazel
I'm not certain but it shouldn't I think
river pier
Can we get Smoldering Air duo (the one that gives auto-charge for call) with ||Hades|| trinket?
primal hazel
I assume it's seeded
dry ember
I don't know but it should
river pier
I gave it a couple of tries but never got it
dry ember
Best way to test is to make a copy of you profile_temp.sav
solid cairn
well rama with zeus special is pretty epic the lightning spreads shared suffering well
upbeat smelt
Hi guys, question here.
¿Does the Shattered shackles from sysyphus lost all the bonus if i take the Ares boon "Assasin instincts: +13% Bonus damage to Attack, Special and Cast"?. I don't have any boon to boost those at the moment.
daring cargo
for nemsis blade, what kind of hammer upgrades are we looking at generally?
random light
I don't know if it's just me, but I'd like an option to set multiple control layouts, just like two or three. Get a cast build control set, an attack based one, and a special based one. Because i do change the control scheme depending on which buttons I need to use the most
Hi guys, question here.
¿Does the Shattered shackles from sysyphus lost all the bonus if i take the Ares boon "Assasin instincts: +13% Bonus damage to Attack, Special and Cast"?. I don't have any boon to boost those at the moment.
@upbeat smelt It's not a boon directly affecting your Attack, Special, or Cast so no
The Sisyphus trinket will still apply
upbeat smelt
Well, it is affecting them directly, but yeah i tought that will be like that as well
just pretty confusing wording
random light
directly affecting as in it's not one of those buffs that says "your Attack/Special/Cast is stronger and has X effect"
reef galleon
Directly means it is in the slot
random light
those are the buffs that the Sisyphus trinket refers to
ok, so now i understand why people enjoy cast builds. Poseidon Sword with Artemis cast is pretty fun
upbeat smelt
i completely trust you, but where did you get that info? for other questions and stuff
primal hazel
I like it with poseidon too
dry ember
@upbeat smelt do you see the 5 slots on the side?
dry ember
That we don't have. Just sone extensive gameplay...
upbeat smelt
Guess that'll do then hahaha
primal hazel
Sry hope that didn't sound rude
reef galleon
the hard truth
upbeat smelt
I comprehend and guess that was the case as well, but wanted to have any evidence on that
dry ember
I usually test it with Hunter Dash
Hunter Dash affects Dash Strike, but isn't attack.
You get both bonuses from Hunter Dash and Shackle if you Dash Strike
Easiest way to see imo
upbeat smelt
because the wording is "Your Attack, Special, and Cast each deal +40/60/80% damage while not empowered by a Boon." and if i take "Urge to Kill" that says "Your Attack,Special and Cast deal more damage." well, that's an empowerement in my book.
See why it is confusing?
random light
I guess, but I mean since there are boons that specifically target those things individually, I assumed that’s what it referred to
But I can see where you’re coming from
primal hazel
Yes but not empowered by a boon means the boons that modify them or slot into those spaces
upbeat smelt
As i said before, yes, i guessed that as well, but the game wasn't doing a great job explaining it
primal hazel
But I see what you mean
upbeat smelt
nor the wiki
random light
Why can’t I force Hermes.... I wish I had a trinket that could force Hermes
primal hazel
That's what the discords for
upbeat smelt
hahah
hard holly
@river pier you cannot get Smoldering Air with ||Hades|| call, no
primal hazel
Same
upbeat smelt
thanks all anyway
primal hazel
Boneless
random light
Might as well do boonless
@dry ember I’ve been saying for a while that a neat future Heat would be an “atheist” run option, you don’t get boons
upbeat smelt
Might as well do boonless
@dry ember Yes, boneless pizza
dry ember
Does Chaos count as boon?
I would say no
Boon implies a blessing
Chaos is an exchange
upbeat smelt
it says in the name, but does it count for shackles?
random light
Chaos boons usually don’t count for things that look at how many boons you have and such
primal hazel
Well it transforms into
reef galleon
what would count as an amethyst run
dry ember
Wdym says in the name?
random light
Oh you meant does Chaos count for an atheist run
dry ember
Chaos doesn't nullify Shackle
random light
Uhh I mean it’s not considered a “boon” in game, so I’d say Chaos is allowed for an atheist run
primal hazel
But you're not a true atheist then xD
random light
Not considered a boon in that you don’t get effects like the Family Favorite damage bonus and such
primal hazel
Guess you got atheist percent and true atheist percent now
upbeat smelt
The curses and the boons from chaos comes together but are 2 differents things
i recall there's a prophecy in game like "get all the boons from chaos"
theres that
random light
Something something Chaos primordial nothingness something Nietzsche blah blah nihilism
Chaos should be fine XD
void fjord
its is a boon
primal hazel
In the Fated list it actually refers to chaos boons/blessings
dry ember
You need to go through each blessing and banw
void fjord
and technically they're a primordial god
dry ember
Not all combination of them
reef galleon
What are the requirements for unlocking the 4th fists aspect again? I have all weapons and aspects unlocked and meeting the bull 1on1 practically every run, but he just says "hello bye" and that's it.
primal hazel
Talk to him a lot
dry ember
@reef galleon just RNG luck
void fjord
rng
reef galleon
That is not the way
random light
The real atheist run is uninstalling Hades because the whole game is about gods
dry ember
Atheists%
random light
How do I turn off the Extreme Measures clause irl? I think my game is bugged.
reef galleon
Boonless run might equally be considered christian btw so don't get excited.
primal hazel
Ultimate atheist%
random light
Whoever keeps turning up the Convenience Fee Pact please stop
dry ember
In other news, I got 9 fishes in my Huge Catch scripted event yesterday
void fjord
Part 7 sad noises
dry ember
What's your record?
random light
There’s a fishing mini game /s
void fjord
F
dry ember
Game is fishing/dating simulator with a roguelite mini game
random light
The combat parts the lure
Haha lure like a fishing lure
primal hazel
Haha get it
void fjord
thats just there to make the game for everyone
upbeat smelt
Game is fishing/dating simulator with a roguelite mini game
@dry ember
Wasn't it a pet cerberus simulator
random light
:^)
primal hazel
It's everything but a roguelike
primal hazel
How?