gods depend on what weapon you're gonna use anyway
#h1-builds-and-combat
limber pine
livid comet
^
spiral tree
I'm still new I prob have less than like 30 hours in this game just bought it on switch 2 days ago
livid comet
nice
spiral tree
I love Hades so much
livid comet
it's a fun game
spiral tree
It might be one of the best games I ever played
I followed it a little bit before launch
mighty ermine
same here, and i've played a lot of games
spiral tree
but i didnt expect the writing to be this good
I am actually invested in the plot
oops sorry
lol
livid comet
can confirm that it's one of my favourite games, but prolly not the best game I've played
mighty ermine
ah yeah keep it PG lol
spiral tree
the writing is so good
livid comet
I don't think I even have a best
spiral tree
The way they portray the Gods and how they talk to each other and Zag
mighty ermine
same, i don't worry about the order or number one absolute favorite
i just know which games are my favorites
spiral tree
And I was genuinely shocked I didn't see a single piece of re used dialogue until my 35th run
How I go 20 hours in a game and not see any re used lines?
mighty ermine
the amount of dialogue, written and fully voiced, is absolutely insane
spiral tree
Supergiant must have written a lot
mighty ermine
it's an achievement on its own
spiral tree
The ending too
median oar
does zag aspect shield damage bonus affect bull rush
spiral tree
the feels man
mighty ermine
@median oar i don't believe so, unfortunately
unkempt pagoda
does zag aspect shield damage bonus affect bull rush
nope, only the base attack and dash attack
spiral tree
Am I the only one who has a hard time beating the game without cursed slash?
spiral tree
I consider myself very good at games in general and I put hundreds of hours into all the rogue likes worth playing
but this game is kicking my ass
livid comet
probably because zagspect sword is the weakest sword and a poor weapon overall
spiral tree
I didn't beat it until my 31st run
livid comet
it's also why I'm struggling to complete a NG clear
spiral tree
I'm 35 runs deep and only beat the game twice
livid comet
ah yeah
spiral tree
I'm on heat level 2 currently
livid comet
I found shield to be much easier to clear with
mighty ermine
the combat system is honestly so expressive that it allows for a huge amount of room to improve
that's been one of my favorite things about the game
median oar
I hated sword more than anything else until I got 4th aspect and now it's easily contender for favourite
spiral tree
the spear is my second favorite since you can attack enemies from afar but still get good DPS
livid comet
yeah fourth sword is prolly my favourite sword?
delicate badger
maybe you’ll like Guan Yu spear? it has built in healing at the cost of lower life
livid comet
check pins in one of the channels
limber pine
GY is great and easy to build for
spiral tree
life steal/regen in these types of games are usually OP
But I feel cursed slash is very well balanced
limber pine
slap an Athena or Demeter attack on it and watch it go
spiral tree
-60% is fair
livid comet
well the regen is a trap
spiral tree
trap?
mighty ermine
at high heat they are far from it, aside from niche cases of stubborn roots
livid comet
yeah, the best thing about GY is actually its special
mighty ermine
still fun at low or mid heat though
spiral tree
GY?
mighty ermine
guan yu
spiral tree
Also I havent looked up much stuff but I found this guy on youtube for hades tips today
jawless paul
livid comet
just like how ||Maim|| is a trap with the new fists
spiral tree
his videos are helping
livid comet
I just don't get zagspect sword tbh
unkempt pagoda
decisions, decisions
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/187458596559257600/759661051733868594/Hades_83.png
spiral tree
Of my 35 runs so far almost every single one ends with me dying to final boss final form
=/
I'm using the crit aspect blade
limber pine
Jawless Paul and Haelian videos are good, you can learn how to use a certain weapon by watching their runs
livid comet
believe it or not, phase 2 is actually easier than phase 1
spiral tree
use special to make attack have higher crit
mighty ermine
kind of leaning a little more towards splitting headache, onyx
spiral tree
phase 2 is harder because of the rate he sendsthe skulls out
mighty ermine
though obviously both would slap
spiral tree
honestly
delicate badger
Yeah maxed the Zag sword for the ||Skelly quest|| and it’s making me wish we had a blood reset ability lol....
unkempt pagoda
i was thinking that too
spiral tree
dodging the laser is EASY
spiral tree
LASER is nothing just hide behind the thing
duh
BUT
the green hands?
ughhh
also the skulls
unkempt pagoda
but this is literally the first duo in the run, and i got it mid-elysium 😔
livid comet
rip
spiral tree
Also I think I figured something out
if you have 2 nectars and gift 1 each to a God then they automatically give you a duo boon
is that right?
it seems that way to me so far
delicate badger
nah
spiral tree
then why has it worked that way for me several times?
limber pine
it's just RNG
delicate badger
The way you get a duo boon is by having a boon from each god already
delicate badger
so it’s prob coincidence
limber pine
go read your Codex, Gods section and you can see the Boons List requirements
mighty ermine
no lol, just never take approval process as a heat option
unkempt pagoda
very nice, just got low tolerance from the midshop
spiral tree
the glass heart thingy
main osprey
ohhh bless Saint Patty. 0 DDs and I just got his room right at the end of Elysium
spiral tree
and the extrem measures
dry ember
swan
spiral tree
also wait
mighty ermine
crosses out your choices from boons or hammer options
dry ember
did you beat Hell Mode first try
cunning urchin
@magic dagger does first-run speedruns a lot, yeah, so just ask them.
dry ember
or was that lysol?
main osprey
I haven't tried Hell Mode yet
main osprey
actually that's a lie
spiral tree
they seem really strong compared to all other enemies
main osprey
I did one run of it
spiral tree
I have no trouble with most of the enemies
livid comet
I'm trying to beat new game run
delicate badger
ohhh bless Saint Patty. 0 DDs and I just got his room right at the end of Elysium
that’s such a good feeling
spiral tree
but great shields in elysium are soooo annoying to fight and do so much damage
cunning urchin
so does anyone else have trouble with great shields?
or am I just bad?
Without trying to sound elitist or something, it's probably a combination of both.
mighty ermine
the trick with greatshields is to deliberately bait out their lunges and attack them during their end lag period
livid comet
kek nyaa
livid comet
or just defect everything with fists
spiral tree
but it gets hectic
cunning urchin
They're among the most difficult normal enemies, but there are reliable ways to deal with them.
spiral tree
ok I'm not crazy
cunning urchin
Hmm. Don't dash preemptively. Wait for them to flash white, that's when they start up their attack.
spiral tree
I just feel they are a huge step up from like any other normal enemy lol
cunning urchin
Then react to that to get behind them.
Basically, you run up to them to trigger their attack, then empty dash through them on reaction.
spiral tree
no other enemy drains my life like the greatshields lol
cunning urchin
If you're not getting close yourself to trigger their attack and instead running away, you're just wasting time.
spiral tree
distant second place would be the tiny chariots with flames but I figured you can just kill them with casts lol
cunning urchin
Wait for their spin attack after the shield bash to finish before you go in for attacks.
Otherwise you just walk into the attack lol.
livid comet
so, it's weird but I'd honestly rather do 32 heat than a new game run.
mighty ermine
@spiral tree kite those into walls or gaps while you dash through or across them
easiest way to deal with those regardless of weapon
livid comet
they're preparing you for asterius
cunning urchin
Yeah, there's a reason "the first clear is the hardest" is a common phrase here.
livid comet
no mirror hurts a lot
cunning urchin
You also miss a lot of the other benefits.
livid comet
yeah, pickups don't do as much
cunning urchin
On the plus side, you can very easily get Divine Protection and Deadly Reversal on a first run.
livid comet
is that the art and ath duo?
cunning urchin
Yeah.
livid comet
Hmm I keep dying to meg soo
cunning urchin
You can get Divine Protection before the first boss with some luck.
livid comet
I fluked out and got to Lernie once
cunning urchin
Prioritize not getting hit in regular chambers, any money spent on healing is money not spent on boons or centaur hearts.
There's no timer, so don't rush it if you don't need to.
livid comet
yeah
I keep making unforced errors
super frustrating
but it's probably the best test of skill that Hades has to offer
livid comet
what's your current build
mighty ermine
nemesis?
spiral tree
yes
untold vortex
deadly flourish
mighty ermine
absolutely flourish
untold vortex
yes
mighty ermine
yes
untold vortex
flourish opens up heart rend
spiral tree
I am usually guilty of using attack why more than special
I need to be better with that lol
mighty ermine
which is arguably the best boon for nemesis
spiral tree
with nemesis aspect I feel its best to use special as the first attack on any enemy agree?
dry ember
zzz
cunning urchin
Pressure Points is a passive you take if you can't or don't want to take any of her core boons for any reason.
mighty ermine
which aspect fox
dry ember
zag bow
turbid needle
I just had the best run with shield
dry ember
but im saying in general
dry ember
hi so mad im fox
cunning urchin
with nemesis aspect I feel its best to use special as the first attack on any enemy agree?
Ideally, you use your Special before the wave and recover from it just in time to Dash-Strike the enemies as they spawn.
spiral tree
yes thats what I meant lol
spiral tree
I havent ever sold a boon
turbid needle
I was doing so good
cunning urchin
Unless you have Heartbreak Flourish + Deadly Strike and Heart Rend, in that case you'll want to hit enemies with your Special first.
spiral tree
I dont see the point in selling boons unless you really need it and have some super useless one
mighty ermine
fox you can't keep pulling the same dad joke multiple times in one day
cunning urchin
That's basically the point of it lol.
mighty ermine
he can't keep getting away with it!
cunning urchin
Selling boons becomes more important when you run AP2.
spiral tree
?
cunning urchin
AP2 is the most fun of all the pacts and everyone should run it.
livid comet
so how does one sword correctly?
spiral tree
get cursed slash
mighty ermine
i think i said this earlier but dash-strike spam into special weaving
livid comet
I don't have hammers.
cunning urchin
Hunter's Mark.
spiral tree
was trying to go aph build since I have her thing equipped but oh well guess crit yet again XD
going to fight hydra without cursed dlash
=/
cunning urchin
Well, Nemesis builds are always crit builds lol.
livid comet
special weaving?
cunning urchin
That's, like, the whole point of the aspect.
dry ember
Well, Nemesis builds are always crit builds lol.
Obviously you didn't see my Lightning Strike Double Edge build
cunning urchin
I don't think I want to.
livid comet
lmao
mighty ermine
@livid comet using special to fill in the end lag after dash-strike and using a dash-strike out of that special
rinse repeat
cunning urchin
@dry ember like I told you back in June. https://discordapp.com/channels/456889434672201729/520688402958516254/718738972901376022
I'm cackling way too much at my own joke.
livid comet
ah, I was already sorta doing that, just not well
cunning urchin
me rn: 
spiral tree
they killed hydra like instantly
cunning urchin
(but with better hair)
spiral tree
hydra cant really move much
so he/she? takes full damage of all 3 discs
lol ty ares
spiral tree
survived with 45 life
livid comet
maybe if you had hunting blades?
spiral tree
how good is doom damage
livid comet
very good
cunning urchin
Unpopular opinion: Engulfing Vortex > Hunting Blades.
spiral tree
I for some reason get ares wayyyyy less than anyone else
Is it all equally random? or do some Gods spawn more than others?
I feel Ares boons are a lot more rare than any other
livid comet
it's cuz you haven't hooked him up with Nyx :P
mighty ermine
you pretty much get a "pool" per run of four olympians plus hermes
spiral tree
wait how? @livid comet
mighty ermine
but the chance for each to be part of that pool is equal
livid comet
I joke
spiral tree
pls cross your fingers guys
cunning urchin
Any god up to 4 is "locked" in your pool.
spiral tree
gib me cursed slash pls
mighty ermine
and you can force extras with god keepsakes
mighty ermine
firmly grasp the hades knowledge
cunning urchin
If you tend to pick up other gods early, he'll be locked out of your pool. So you won't see him anymore.
There's a "pool" of possible gods you can see in a run, from which the game picks at random.
spiral tree
nuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
cunning urchin
With 4 slots, basically.
cunning urchin
At first, all of the 4 slots are random.
cunning urchin
When you pick up the first god, that god is locked in slot 1. The remaining 3 slots are random.
spiral tree
Hmm ok
cunning urchin
Then it goes on like that. Second god will be locked in slot 2. Etc.
spiral tree
so it is RNG
livid comet
cursed slash... aren't there other builds you can do with other hammers for nemesis?
mighty ermine
yes but they are dead set on using cursed slash apparently
regardless of what we say
cunning urchin
You can skip gods to leave the later slots open for any particular god you want.
spiral tree
but piercing has saved me
mighty ermine
piercing wave is far from "the best choice" but it's okay if you can't get anything else
cunning urchin
You can also use god keepsakes to go beyond the 4 slots and add a 5th god to the pool.
livid comet
how do you skip gods if there's only one exit? purge?
cunning urchin
And then a 6th and 7th.
spiral tree
you think wave is worse than hoarding and super nova?
cunning urchin
I don't think purging works, I'm not entirely sure.
mighty ermine
depends
cunning urchin
I think they're still locked in your pool.
livid comet
oof
cunning urchin
You'd just have to live with it. That's why it's important (for high heat at least) to learn all of your options with any combinations you might be forced into.
cunning urchin
It's very common for high-heat records to have suboptimal builds. But the players still can make the most out of what they got.
It's also why having a strong core for your build is so important.
livid comet
right
delicate badger
Ya I was gonna say, the game will be more enjoyable if you try and branch out with your upgrades, it’s gonna be frustrating to only enjoy the game with a specific build
livid comet
so what would be a decent stygius build with ath dash and Dio?
cunning urchin
My newbie build guide only focuses on having a solid core because of that. They're the builds that can work with anything or even just on their own.
spiral tree
omg
livid comet
hmm
turbid needle
https://imgur.com/gallery/MzKYgWJ which should I go for here? Tidal dash is op as hell but there’s hydraulic might but only +attack strength for 10 sec. which can make a big difference
livid comet
dash
turbid needle
I’m just trying to learn the ins and outs of boons so I don’t have to continue asking lmao
cunning urchin
stygius build with ath dash and Dio?
What are the other 2 gods?
livid comet
thats it for tartarus
livid comet
no keepsakes
cunning urchin
I'd aim for Divine Strike when I get out of Tartarus.
livid comet
I'm also trying to figure out what would work better on the sword atk and special between Athena and artemis
livid comet
heart rend
spiral tree
I can just stand there and win
cunning urchin
Calculated Risk can help a lot if you get it, but I wouldn't make it a priority.
Something to look out for, anyway.
spiral tree
Heart rend over rod?
livid comet
yes
cunning urchin
Divine Strike > Deadly Strike = Merciful End, I would say.
livid comet
considering I'm always gonna be grabbing dash first
ath consistently offers atk, cast and dash on NG
fiery token
what do you build on aspect of arthur
livid comet
Artemis or Aphrodite
spiral tree
fiery token
focus on attack or special?
livid comet
I'd say Aphrodite over artemis
cunning urchin
focus on attack or special?
Yes.
livid comet
iunno I'm currently trying to figure out sword atm
fiery token
I'd say for aspect of arthur imo I think attacks are better or more common
special builds do work yeah
cunning urchin
@spiral tree you have Bladerifts from Slicing Shot? And what else? Aspect is which?
livid comet
nemesis
spiral tree
I have 103 gold....is it dumb to go into the store over patroclus?
dry ember
I have 103 gold....is it dumb to go into the store over patroclus?
yes
livid comet
also patroclus
spiral tree
so kiss of styx wont give me a 4th will it?
cunning urchin
You both fell into the trap. Now you'll get banned for calling another player dumb. 
livid comet
nope
dry ember
in fact
I have 103 gold.... is it dumb to go into the store
over patroclus?
yes
spiral tree
hmm
livid comet
grab the attack boost
cunning urchin
What a dumb thing to do smh. Falling for the trap.
spiral tree
cyclops jerky seems good
cunning urchin
Only dumb people would fall for such a dumb trap.
livid comet
I only said yes
mighty ermine
cunning urchin
livid comet
okay I'm going to try this NG run again
livid comet
good god I hate asphodel without two dashes
dry ember
it's rude to ask a gorgon where their bodies are
livid comet
*is
spiral tree
worst part of asphodel is the witches room when you have no deflect
livid comet
man the main guidance for clearing on NG is "git gud"
spiral tree
oh yes cover the room in projectiles like a marvel vs capcom 2 match
livid comet
the caveat is if you build around blade rifts
livid comet
it's not DPS tho... it's really slow
cunning urchin
"I don't want to be rude, Dusa, but . . . where did you hide the body?"
"Ahaha! Erm. . . G-gotta clean the rafters! Bye!"
livid comet
oh no
dry ember
oh no
spiral tree
LOL
cunning urchin
"La-la-la-la, nobody knows what I did last summer~ 🎶 🎵"
spiral tree
Dusa's body is going to be the last board boss of Hades 2
cunning urchin
hearty folio
Anyone got a good artemis cast build? Or any good cast build with Poseidon's sword? I'm climbing the heat ladder at 14 heat now on every weapon and haven't lost a run in over 20 runs... but I just lost before Theseus with Poseidon Artemis cast. Lol.
livid comet
flurry cast extra cast exit wounds
cunning urchin
Just get more boons from her. That's the build tbh.
livid comet
done
cunning urchin
And cast boons from Lord Hermes, yes.
livid comet
bad news
cunning urchin
Also extra ammo from Master Chaos.
On Poseidon Aspect, you can also get Heartbreak Flourish + Heart Rend.
hearty folio
Damn. I had a 4th ammo and exit wounds, and rapid cast, and heartbreak flourish. I just SUCK! 😱
cunning urchin
take every chaos room that you can
That's practically every run sub-20.
spiral tree
Hmm doesn’t work
cunning urchin
You can get +70 HP or something from Master Chaos.
Or +70% Special damage or something.
So I'd still say it's true for Guan Yu.
livid comet
hmm
cunning urchin
Especially, you can easily heal up in the very next chamber.
Maybe don't take one right before a boss with Guan Yu.
Guan Yu can heal with the spin. So the 21 or whatever damage you took from entering a Chaos Gate ends up being free, easily.
turbid needle
Which is most useful or the best treat? Ambrosia delight, Pom porridge, or refreshing nectar
livid comet
ambrosia if you have good boons
cunning urchin
They're all great depending on several factors.
livid comet
which you should
cunning urchin
Most of the time lately, I pick Nectar for Legendaries and Duo Boons.
livid comet
that's the rarity boost yeah?
cunning urchin
Yeah.
untold vortex
yep
reef galleon
Do Athena's damage reduction boons cancel out poseidon's "your god gauge fills up faster when you take damage" ?
cunning urchin
@reef galleon I have zero idea.
spiral tree
Heroic! But it will replace deadly flourish
livid comet
yes
mighty ermine
yes
spiral tree
:/
cunning urchin
Most of the time when it's something super specific like that, absolutely no one's ever done the research on it.
spiral tree
So which do I take
livid comet
sword
spiral tree
Blood frenzy?
reef galleon
thought it was an interesting question
spiral tree
Or curse of vengeance
livid comet
how often you expect to die?
cunning urchin
Blood Frenzy is great when running SD. Otherwise, not so much.
cunning urchin
Yes.
mighty ermine
yes
spiral tree
I’ll go with vengeance
livid comet
it'll break your build!!!
spiral tree
Sigh I know lol
livid comet
rarity doesn't matter if it has no synergy
cunning urchin
Common Heartbreak Strike + Heart Rend > Heroic Curse of Agony.
livid comet
^^^^^^
cunning urchin
TailesqueToday at 9:18 AM
yes
That's the message 6x ^ yours.
Which, I guess, makes for an appropriate response to mine.
livid comet
for GY I'd take a common heartbreak flourish over a heroic anything else
cunning urchin
I wouldn't, but it's good, yeah.
livid comet
well, maybe not a heroic deadly flourish or divine strike
spiral tree
Which one ?
livid comet
I'm leaning aid
spiral tree
livid comet
but I'm not as proficient as nyaa and the others
cunning urchin
Should link the image rather than the gallery for the thumbnail.
untold vortex
clean kill
spiral tree
It doesn’t work for some reason lol
cunning urchin
spiral tree
Lol
livid comet
F
livid comet
clean kill will see more use than aid
cunning urchin
Artemis' Aid if you have Heart Rend is actually nice. Otherwise it's bottom tier Call.
livid comet
they have heart rend
spiral tree
I do have heart rend
spiral tree
Ok aid it is
cunning urchin
Always wait for Greater Call, though.
And make sure you have Weak applied before you use it.
livid comet
always hermes
cunning urchin
From the shop or where?
spiral tree
Door
cunning urchin
Lord Hermes.
livid comet
usually core god > hammer > hermes > pom
cunning urchin
You're choosing between a 500-obol boon and a 100-obol pom.
cunning urchin
125 obols for Centaur Hearts.
But you only need a certain amount of max HP, which varies with your skill, of course.
livid comet
see? this is why you hermes always
spiral tree
lol si senore
cunning urchin
Hmm.
spiral tree
wish I has cursed slash doe lol
livid comet
what else did he have?
cunning urchin
What are his other offers?
spiral tree
move speed 20%
cunning urchin
I'd rate Quick Favor very very low.
livid comet
did you already pick?
spiral tree
yes
cunning urchin
Swift Flourish would have been my choice.
fair plinth
time to resume my invulnerable run with triple divine boons from athena
livid comet
wat
nice
I'd rate Quick Favor very very low.
athena call with Billowing Strength and Quick Favor ain't nothing to sneeze at
fair plinth
attack/flourish/dash deflect
cunning urchin
My best 50-heat attempt with Zag Aspect Malphon was 5x Lady Athena core boons lol.
livid comet
wew
cunning urchin
I timed out. 
livid comet
yeah... athena is great but DPS isn't her thing
spiral tree
I'm just doing 2 heat now lol
livid comet
she has nice Duos that can get you good DPS tho
cunning urchin
I'm top 3 in high heat with a 52 clear. 
livid comet
:0
fair plinth
wait... there's a leaderboard?
livid comet
ofc there is
fair plinth
O_O
cunning urchin
Hmmm.
livid comet
but idek where it is
spiral tree
cunning urchin
More like there was. It's pinned in #h1-high-heat-strategies.
spiral tree
Halp lol
untold vortex
it's pinned in #h1-high-heat-strategies
livid comet
I say favour
cunning urchin
Krashercorr and Wriste haven't been verifying runs in a month now, I think. Haven't added any runs from 1.0.
dry ember
wait... there's a leaderboard?
It's not a leaderboard and should not be seen as such.
spiral tree
I’m probably gonna die soon and use a defy I’m at 17 life :/
livid comet
are you at styx?
cunning urchin
Well, the official word is it's not a leaderboard.
untold vortex
it's moreso to compile a list of completed high heat runs
dry ember
Juts look at it for fun. It's meant to showcase what's possible, hence notable mentions include routed runs.
cunning urchin
But if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck . . .
unkempt pagoda
that's 80 base damage
turbid needle
not at Styx yet
spiral tree
I’m in elyisum chaos gate 17 life do I go to store or Artemis door?
turbid needle
In the third area
spiral tree
I have 246 gold
I really want to get that Artemis but I need life and store may have it
cunning urchin
I imagine @raw violet lost some spirit for it because people started cheating to get on the board or arguing over what's "legal" on the board instead of just looking at it for fun like the original intention was. But that's just a guess.
turbid needle
Charged flight is looking pretty good though, +200% base damage for shield’s special attack, which already infects victims with doom
spiral tree
Store?
fair plinth
hmm looking at the high heat leaderboard, quite a few of them uses aphro charm on hades which doesnt work anymore
dry ember
I mean you are one of those who kinda twisted the original purpose of the list so ¯_(ツ)_/¯
spiral tree
Halp pls lol
cunning urchin
Hm? Charm still works on him.
spiral tree
at 17 life do I go to the store or get artemis boon?
cunning urchin
You just can't charm him during his beam attacks. But that doesn't matter.
Because you can either (a) charm him during beam startup, or (b) just stand on top of him to not get hit.
livid comet
charm works for like 1 second
cunning urchin
B is the common strategy.
dry ember
Also Aphro charm isn't what makes or breaks a run.
turbid needle
Would 80 base damage or up to +200% damage be more
dry ember
Don't put too much attention to it.
cunning urchin
Yeah, Charm is tertiary at best.
turbid needle
It depends on your existing boons and weapon but still
livid comet
just stand on top of him to not get hit.
WOT WHY HAVE I NEVER REALISED THIS
fair plinth
hmm
cunning urchin
Heartbreak in builds is all about the damage and Weak.
cunning urchin
Best +% damage, and Weak is amazing. So it's one of the best choices.
livid comet
okay, starting a new game, wish me luck
unkempt pagoda
just stand on top of him to not get hit.
em4 rn:
cunning urchin
It also opens up Life Affirmation in her pool, which is a silent carry in a lot of high-heat runs.
dry ember
EM4: Am I a joke to you?
livid comet
I've... never taken it
cunning urchin
A whole lot of high-heat runs prior to 1.0 also end up with only 3–5 boons at the end. So Charm really didn't play much of a role.
dry ember
@livid comet you should do it at least once. It's fun.
spiral tree
HOLY
WOW
YOOOO
artemis aid just insta killed thesius
LOOOOL
damn
...
I'm speechless lolol
cunning urchin
If I had to guess, the most common factors in high heat clears are seeing Patroclus and getting 2-sack or 3-sack.
spiral tree
I did die tho
dry ember
Lol
spiral tree
I used up my first defy =/
cunning urchin
lol
spiral tree
I was at 17 health
cunning urchin
Oh, just lost a Defiance. That's fine then.
spiral tree
I managed to get asterius to 10% health without taking any damage before I died while dodging thesius
either I'm getting a lot better or this fight is not that hard
asterius is kind of a joke but its thesius that annoys me with the homing attack
cunning urchin
"Died" usually means your run ended lol.
spiral tree
not even the homing attack
but the call back
I always forget he calls it right back lol
cunning urchin
You can no-hit the fight very reliably.
spiral tree
Do you guys kills thesius last too?
cunning urchin
Errr.. no.
cunning urchin
I focus hard on Theseus and kill both together, ideally.
Fastest way to take them down.
cunning urchin
Not necessarily the easiest.
spiral tree
so it hit them both
but man
did not expect thesius to die to 1 art aid lol
it took like 90% of his health in 1 shot
dry ember
If it was full gauge then yeah
cunning urchin
I like baiting Asterius into getting hit by the spear callback lol.
dry ember
Artemis full gauge is nutty
cunning urchin
Artemis full gauge is nutty
Only really if you have Heart Rend or roll a natural 20.
spiral tree
thats gonna be sooo helpful vs redacted this run!
ok elysium done!
do I keep eternal rose?
or....
cunning urchin
I almost never use Greater Calls.
spiral tree
switch?
cunning urchin
Acorn.
spiral tree
hmm thats smart
dry ember
Acorn or Spearpoint, depends on your weakness
spiral tree
you right
turbid halo
Huh are people using three different god boons in runs?
cunning urchin
Bracer isn't a bad choice, either.
spiral tree
dont have that lol
I never used lambent plume but it looks either really good or really bad
how fast do you have to clear a room with it?
is it hard to?
dry ember
Huh are people using three different god boons in runs?
Not sure what you mean, like literally boons? or keepsakes?
cloud needle
I use plume with Zag fists
dry ember
Not really of you are fast
spiral tree
acorn it is
cloud needle
can usually get nearly every room in time
unkempt pagoda
lambent plume has a timer underneath its icon, specific for each encounter
dry ember
Acorn in Styx is almost never wrong
cunning urchin
High-heat players practically always take Acorn into the fight. Speedrunners, I think, either take Acorn or whatever they think gives them the best damage boost depending on build, confidence, etc.
unkempt pagoda
double doomstone would like a word
dry ember
Most speedrunners take Acorn is preserve high confidence
dry ember
Acorn maybe wrong if ||EM4||
spiral tree
they give greater shield a run for most annoying
dry ember
But then again, not really
unkempt pagoda
not the wrongest 😛
cunning urchin
Bone Hourglass at lower heats can be good if you see good items in the Well between biomes and have rerolls to get even more items. Although, for that, it's way better to take Bone Hourglass into Elysium, then buy from the Well before Elysium and again from the Well before the Temple of Styx before switching your keepsake to something like Acorn.
dry ember
Actually, Acorn is wrong in new file fsrming runs since Styx is good level up area
spiral tree
hunter instinct or clean kill
dry ember
I'll go clean kill
spiral tree
at 14 health
cloud needle
The only wrong is to not pet Cerberus
cunning urchin
Clean Kill.
spiral tree
light reflex/high voltage/bilklowing strength epic
which?
only lightning boon I have is dash
cunning urchin
Read your codex, lad.
spiral tree
lad lol
cunning urchin
Lightning Reflex.
Billowing Strength wants you to use Lesser Calls, Artemis' Aid wants you to use Greater Calls.
That's anti-synergy.
dry ember
Billowing Strength is fine if you don't full gauge Arte
I mean at least Arte has 5 steps of lesser call
So you can call more often
So you get some you lose some
cunning urchin
You just don't want to hear anything bad about your beloved's call.
I understand.
dry ember
Of course
cunning urchin
FoxHope is right. There's nothing bad about Artemis' Aid at all.
dry ember
although tbh Arte call sucks
cunning urchin
take Lightning Reflex
spiral tree
impending doom rare/urge to kill epic/blood frenzy rare.....this seems no brainer
urge to kill
duh
cunning urchin
You know who doesn't have any bad boons at all?
Lady Aphrodite, the one and only.
Yeah.
Duh.
cunning urchin
Looks like you're getting the hang of things a bit more.
livid comet
nooo
cunning urchin
Unless you're fully confident.
spiral tree
for not having any deflect or cursed slash I have a pretty dam ngood build I think
cunning urchin
But if you're struggling already, don't take extra tunnels.
livid comet
nyaa, help, I have a Dio room, I've only got ath dash on a NG run
spiral tree
thanks to to you guys
dry ember
Or just shy of buying material from Styx shop
cunning urchin
@livid comet so what are the offers?
You always see the same gods on a new run.
First run, that is.
livid comet
livid comet
naw I sometimes get Art or ares instead on a new run
cunning urchin
Yeah, the order isn't the same. But it's always those 4.
livid comet
dio again or gold?
cunning urchin
Trippy Shot stuns enemies within its area. That will help a lot to keep you safe.
livid comet
(164 gold on me rn)
cunning urchin
Hmmm. Can't get Calls on first run.
livid comet
you can
cunning urchin
No? First run has Calls locked.
cunning urchin
You need a scripted event to unlock the Call slot.
hollow hazel
hey guys, what are some of your ways to setup your fists? just starting to get into them looking for a couple ideas
dry ember
Yup can't get call on fresh file
livid comet
okay so gold or dio?
cunning urchin
I think the event was with Poseidon? So that's 2nd or 3rd run.
dry ember
Lightning Strike is good
cunning urchin
Dionysus.
livid comet
okay
hollow hazel
yeah my 1st run i rocked some lightning, it felt a little underwhelming tbh
dry ember
Doom fist with Merciful End and Divine Dash is good
cunning urchin
You might get Premium Vintage or High Tolerance from him. That's really good.
dry ember
Divine Strike is fine
dry ember
Lastly, Demeter attack with Artic Blast
spiral tree
...
hollow hazel
why is doom nice on fist? they attack so fast, isnt that mainly for slower weapons?
spiral tree
He was at like 30% health and I was at 40 and one stupid dash killed me
not even the spin attack
....
I always die to phase 2
livid comet
cunning urchin
@livid comet btw should specify next time if boon chambers are minibosses because that can matter a lot.
spiral tree
welp thanks guys
livid comet
ooh ya
livid comet
it wasn't a boss chamber
cunning urchin
Get High Tolerance.
livid comet
shop or pom?
188 gold
pom is non-boss
I'm leaning shop?
currently down to 33 hp
spiral tree
holy cow....pact of punishment adds a reason for the sisters to reuinite and meg comments on it
damn
the writing in this game....
thats awesome!
dry ember
why is doom nice on fist? they attack so fast, isnt that mainly for slower weapons?
@hollow hazel easy to apply. It's counterintuitive but it works.
spiral tree
the way the writing and game play mechanics work together is ridiculous so many little touches like that in this game
This game still surprises me
And I'm like less than 40 run attempts in
hollow hazel
thanks fox, i guess with doom i would be rotating around mobs applying to each in rotation
livid comet
aight, shop it is
dry ember
Also if you get Merciful End with Divine Dash, you have arguably the besg build in the game in term of DPS
hollow hazel
ive never gotta merciful end, looks nice
hollow hazel
so lets say i have athenas dodge, that means when i dodge with merciful end it would also do 40 damage?
hollow hazel
or it means if i apply doom and then dash it will immediately trigger
cunning urchin
What's your build now?
livid comet
high tolerance, dio cast and ath dash
dry ember
If you apply doom it triggers immediately
livid comet
pretty poor tbh
cunning urchin
Let me check rq.
spiral tree
So if you "flip" a category in the mirror does it not apply anymore in game?
hollow hazel
thanks fox, thats awesome
spiral tree
like I have dark foresight on in mirror switched on so is olympian favor stats gone?
livid comet
yes
spiral tree
or are they both counted simultaneously
livid comet
it's one or the other
cunning urchin
Possible boons now are:
Drunken Strike
Drunken Flourish
After Party
Positive Outlook
Premium Vintage
livid comet
you choose
cunning urchin
Drunken Strike and Flourish are priority slots.
spiral tree
so....it was dumb of me to max out olympian favor and then switch to dark foresight
livid comet
I'm on 33 hp atm without much confidence in beating meg
cunning urchin
So you'll only see one out of After Party, Positive Outlook, or Premium Vintage.
livid comet
you can switch back whenever
all of them are good options atm I guess?
oh right
😦
cunning urchin
You can gamble on a 33% chance for Premium Vintage, which would be better in the long run, or take the Centaur Heart.
spiral tree
meg is easy she usually attacks in a straight line so dash to either side after a couple attacks and she she does the ground black hole thingy attack just bait it so you dash toward her and attack her while dodging them @livid comet
livid comet
gamble it is
cunning urchin
Positive Outlook and After Party are nice, but the Centaur Heart would be more helpful.
livid comet
oof
cunning urchin
Not high heat. Daggerfield is trying to clear a first run on a new save.
spiral tree
drunken
cunning urchin
Hmmmm.
dry ember
Technically freshfile is at least 12 heat
spiral tree
positive outlook is good for final boss
dry ember
Without aspects, companions and other meta upgrades
livid comet
also weapon locked to a crap weapon which is a bajillion heat imo
dry ember
I would say it's about 20 heat ish
cunning urchin
You could get Drunken Strike and hope for Black Out later in the run. It will also help the most with the boss fight now because you'll do more damage.
livid comet
aight, yolo
spiral tree
so what is this you said about regenerating life with spear?
cunning urchin
4th spear aspect.
Its spin attack heals 1 HP per hit.
Unaffected by anything else. So it works even if you have LC4.
cunning urchin
You need to have 5 Titan Blood invested into anything at all.
cunning urchin
Then you need to see a conversation with ||Master Achilles||, it will be obvious then.
dry ember
You also have like 30% health for non upgraded 4th spear
cunning urchin
It's very difficult to use Spear 4 at Lv.1, so be warned.
ebon tinsel
pretty sure you need to have unlocked 5 different aspects (excluding zag) i did the whole hidden aspect thing quite recently
cunning urchin
But still quite fun even then, I think.
Nope. It's just 5 Titan Blood spent in total.
That's directly from the devs.
cunning urchin
You will also then need 3 Titan Blood in order to get it to Lv.1 and actually use it.
spiral tree
=/
livid comet
okay, second athena, atm: I have ath dash.
https://i.imgur.com/srWY6PE.png
cunning urchin
Flourish.
livid comet
aight
ebon tinsel
hmmm, i had maxed nemesis and didnt get it for a good amount of runs, completed the game etc and got nothing, expended achillies dialogue, it only worked once i unlocked my 5th aspect
cunning urchin
Yeah, that's just dialogue RNG sometimes.
ebon tinsel
look at pinned comments in spoilers kekw
spiral tree
...
livid comet
currently down to 16 hp 
cunning urchin
@livid comet always core boons from her unless it's Brilliant Riposte.
livid comet
so divine strike?
cunning urchin
Because Brilliant Riposte unlocks Divine Protection.
hollow hazel
the rail has some crazy hammer upgrades
cunning urchin
Yes.
cunning urchin
Core boons are Attack, Special, Cast, Dash, Call.
@spiral tree for Exagryph, just get Lightning Strike and Divine Dash. Those are top priority.
After that, get any boon from Lady Artemis that unlocks Support Fire, and aim for that.
livid comet
pom on strike flourish or dash?
cunning urchin
Strike.
cunning urchin
Cast, yeah.
Grats, you already have the ideal Stygius build for any high heat.
All Lady Athena core boons (minus Call).
Should have a good chance to see Brilliant Riposte soon, and then hopefully Divine Protection.
livid comet
okay
2 hp
at charon
buy healing or athena
what are the chances she's gonna give me a DD
cunning urchin
Hmmm yeah.
livid comet
atk and flourish are at level 2
spiral tree
wow I hate the rail lol
cunning urchin
Attack > Cast.
spiral tree
so I beat meg got titan blood can I give up?
livid comet
aight
livid comet
got all three
dry ember
so I beta meg got titan blood can I give up?
No
livid comet
lmao
spiral tree
I have to die?
dry ember
Yes
livid comet
strike it is
dry ember
You can't cheat death
cunning urchin
"Give up" always resets the run.
livid comet
strike/flourish/cast
dry ember
"Give up" always resets the run.
Unless you get the weird bug at 1.0 that doesn't let you reset.
spiral tree
ok I have 4 titan blood now
cunning urchin
Yeah, can't cheat Thanatos ||since he's fine with polyamorous relationships, so all is fair game.||
spiral tree
I already used 2 levels on aspect of nemesis
so I just have to spend 1 titan blood on anything to reveal guan yu
cunning urchin
@dry ember I think there's been 1 or 2 mini-patches in 1.0, so that one might be patched already.