h1-builds-and-combat

[hard holly]

Man High Confidence is so bad as it is

[hasty garnet]

Oh wow, fully loade dis actually great with Exit WOunds. Forgot I had that

[turbid halo]

What do people like forcing for demeter fists? Athena, aprhodite?

[hard holly]

Artemis/Aphrodite special

Zeus attack

Support Fire

The usual

[keen magnet]

Athena for dash and maybe stubborn roots

[turbid halo]

I'm so used to forcing Aphrodite on things lol

Because it's how I run Chaos shield

Maybe I should be forcing athena on more things though, because I did it on Guan yu earlier today and it finally clicked for me

[random light]

Zeus Attack, Arty Special, Athena Dash, try to snag the Zeus multibounce and the electro ball Legendary along with Support Fire

Explosive Dash Special and Breaching Dash for hammers are good choices

it's fun

I love Demeter Fists

[shadow ridge]

How much damage does Zeus' Aid actually do?

I tried searching in chat history and couldn't find much

[keen magnet]

A lot, its not bad but you need his lightning synergies for it to be better than artemis or aphro imo

[shadow ridge]

I never find much value in Artemis' aid and Aphro's aid

[keen magnet]

Its really good on builds where you go ham

[random light]

I love Artemis/Aphrodite Aid lol

[keen magnet]

Artemis aid is crazy strong at max gauge

[turbid halo]

I like Zeus' aid mainly for Smoldering Air builds

[keen magnet]

Will bring a boss down an entire phase

[random light]

Aphrodite Aid is 2500 damage at max rank it's a big chunk

[turbid halo]

and agreed on artemis

[keen magnet]

Smoldering air is very strong ya

[desert nacelle]

@random light Imagine it crits

[twilit pond]

Guan Yu is super sick. I thought quick spin with bigger AoE and Athena was good, but Posidon Charged Skewer takes the cake. Most busted thing I've seen so far.

[random light]

The Aphrodite Aid?

if only

wait

it can

[keen magnet]

If you have double strike or a strong attack build going on then go for zeus

[desert nacelle]

ye

[random light]

With luck and Pressure Points

[desert nacelle]

thats what i'm saying

[shadow ridge]

Yea it's just that often, I do enough damage on my own that athena's aid is just straight up better.

[random light]

oh i wish

[keen magnet]

Since its more of a passive call that lets you keep on attacking

[desert nacelle]

@random light pressure points and hunters mark

gives luck

[random light]

me max crit chance, me see big number

me very happy

[keen magnet]

Yeah zeus is like athena's aid but damage instead of immune

[desert nacelle]

Use Aphro cast

then crit amplify dual boon

then crit amplify from Atremis itself

max crit chance

with hunter's mark and pressure points

[random light]

What would that be, like, 6000 damage in a single instance?

m a s s i v e

b i g n u m b e r

[desert nacelle]

50% from duo

and 30 from her

[dry ember]

I ran out of time due to TD

holy moly

Zag Shield, not even once

[desert nacelle]

its like 7000 isnt it?

[random light]

Zag Shield, not even once
@dry ember fixed it

[turbid halo]

Hey possibly dumb question, but do artemis' attack and special do the most damage, if you ignore synergy with other boons/specials/etc? I did some quick maths and it seems that way but I want to confirm

[random light]

Aphrodite has the highest raw modifiers

as for the actual numbers

[turbid halo]

(Also I'm still surprised that Aphrodite has such a high raw modifier)

[keen magnet]

Zeus shield is pretty disgusting

[random light]

if you crit, I think Artemis does the most

[twilit pond]

Now I also got quick spin in the charged skewer run. Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesus

[desert nacelle]

@random light 7k dmg if u havent upgrade the atremi's crit amplification

[random light]

Quick Spin is so fun

[turbid halo]

My math works out to 1.4 * (0.2 * 3 + 0.8 * 1) = 1.96 for common Artemis

[keen magnet]

Divine flourish, curse of agony and merciful end is insane

[torpid abyss]

In terms of raw DPS Artemis gets the most

[random light]

@random light 7k dmg if u havent upgrade the atremi's crit amplification
@desert nacelle B I G N U M B E R

[torpid abyss]

However

If you have privileged status you get far more consistent numbers

[turbid halo]

Priv status is 40% additive?

[desert nacelle]

all dmg amplifications are additive

iirc

[random light]

only crit is multiplicative

[turbid halo]

Yeah wiki seems to confirm that

[random light]

all others are additive

[jaunty solar]

Divine flourish, curse of agony and merciful end is insane
@keen magnet i did that the other day its actually insane

1.5 mins hades fight lmao

[desert nacelle]

@random light what about debuffs which makes enemy to get more dmg?

[torpid abyss]

I mean, crit is just appled separatedly from everything else

[shadow ridge]

I've seen a bunch of situations where a crit chance from a daedalus and crit chance from artemis is just straight up wonky

[torpid abyss]

Which is why it's so strong

[random light]

Aphrodite has the one where you get like +10-20% damage against weak afflicted

[desert nacelle]

Like Aphrodite

[turbid halo]

Anyway I currently only take priv status if the first boon I'm forcing is for a god whose boons immediately apply status (dio, aphro, etc)

[random light]

but I think for the build you're talking about that's the only debuff of that nature

[desert nacelle]

claws

has the same

[shadow ridge]

seems like the crit % chance from a daedalus upgrade and the crit chance from Artemis' attacks/specials don't stack at all

[desert nacelle]

the upper dash

marks enemy

[random light]

There's a crit chance Daedalus Upgrade?

[shadow ridge]

But I am unsure of how it's supposed to work to begin with

Yea, sword 3rd thrust getting crit chance

crit chance on spear throw

[torpid abyss]

There are upgrades?

[random light]

oh yeah that one

[turbid halo]

And lately I've been taking family favorite sometimes even then on weapons where I don't always mix attack/special

[shadow ridge]

Friend was playing with the 3rd thrust and artemis attack, and the crit chance was definitely not 60% (20 + 40)

it seemed more like it was 20

[random light]

i mean RNG is RNG

might just be bad luck

[turbid halo]

weird

[hard holly]

They do stack

Yeah its just RNG being RNG

[desert nacelle]

i Went on my fist from 1 clear

[shadow ridge]

Nyaanyaa mentionned that a lot of people complained about that one in particular, and that it's probably bugged.

[desert nacelle]

to 12 clears already

[random light]

what's the Greek pantheon version of RNGesus?

[torpid abyss]

Idk

Greek pantheon is cringe anyways

All my homies worship the roman pantheon

😎

[desert nacelle]

Tyche, in Greek religion, the goddess of chance

[random light]

But RNGyche doesn't roll off the tongue like RNGesus does

[desert nacelle]

Give me Kratos boon

[random light]

wrong God of War

[torpid abyss]

Ares? Cringe god of war

[unkempt pagoda]

in this game they just blame everything on the fates

[torpid abyss]

Mars is a really cool dude who streams Minecraft

[random light]

Blaming the Fates is also caused by the Fates

the rabbit hole is never ending

an eternal paradox

[torpid abyss]

I'm surprised we never see the fates

With how often they bring them up

[random light]

it's not our fate to see them ig

[torpid abyss]

I have super secret pics of the fates

[random light]

unless they get added in later patches

[torpid abyss]

Ah frick

I sent a friend request

Instead of a message

[livid comet]

aight, sword tips, artemis special or nay?

[torpid abyss]

Anything that doesn't really need to be spammed really

[livid comet]

0 heat, base stygius

[torpid abyss]

Artemis, aphrodite, even Ares

[random light]

Athena Dash

[torpid abyss]

Poseidon if you feel bold

[livid comet]

I've got ath dash, currently choosing b/w art atk, spec and cast

I reckon attack?

[random light]

I would think Attack, personally

[livid comet]

yea, and then maybe poseidon or demeter for special

[random light]

Aphrodite Special

[livid comet]

ah yeah

max damage

poseidon cast would be nice

[random light]

and they have a nice Duo if you get lucky where you get +50% crit damage against Weak afflicted

[desert nacelle]

Better not to touch cast at all

[random light]

Poseidon cast is nice

Definitely one of my more liked casts

[desert nacelle]

@random light u made me running 24/7 only fists

[marsh dawn]

Fists are so great

[random light]

Demeter fists are addictive

that burst is so satisfying

I regret nothing xd

[desert nacelle]

i did like

Zeus/Artemis, Athena/Artemis, Doom

Doom/Artemis

[tidal edge]

how does the red casting symbol get distributed to enemies with casts like festive fog? for boiling blood purposes

[marsh dawn]

Basically... Artemis.

[desert nacelle]

@tidal edge u cant

[marsh dawn]

Dio, Demeter, and Ares casts don’t stick.

[desert nacelle]

Artemis's pressure points are so great

and seeking things

[tidal edge]

what about the modified casts that do stick? is it still always the first enemy hit or does it do something weird

[marsh dawn]

Modified how?

[desert nacelle]

Posseidon

Artemis

[tidal edge]

by a boon

[marsh dawn]

If the bloodstone symbol is on the enemy healthbar, you get the bonus.

[desert nacelle]

Zeus at some point

[random light]

Athena also sticks

as does Aphrodite

[desert nacelle]

ye

[unkempt pagoda]

only dio, ares, and demeter have casts that explicitly do not stick

others can be weird about their sticking due to their gimmicks, but they ultimately can

[tidal edge]

yeah, I'm wondering if it's always the first enemy hit that gets the bloodstone symbol, or if bouncing and stuff changes that

[marsh dawn]

It’s the last one hit.

For chain casts

[tidal edge]

ah okay

[unkempt pagoda]

zeus sticks on the last foe hit (but sometimes it just shoots out of the enemy and lands on the floor for some reason?)

[desert nacelle]

If u want bloodstone symbol better not to touch Zeus cast

[marsh dawn]

Yeah, Zeus is finicky

[livid comet]

man, I forgot how much harder things are in a new game

[tidal edge]

so does it make sense to avoid cast boons if all I want is the boiling blood bonus? like for bosses

[marsh dawn]

Sometimes, yes

[unkempt pagoda]

zeus, aphrodite, and poseidon have weird things associated with their sticking

[desert nacelle]

Always yes

[unkempt pagoda]

the others are fine

(being artemis and athena lol)

[tidal edge]

it was kinda weird with athena too in my last run

[marsh dawn]

Dio takes two boons, but there’s one that gives +100% to enemies standing in festive fog.

[turbid needle]

That got nerfed a while back, it's only 60% now.

[marsh dawn]

It’s over 100% usually

What

I saw an epic one today that was 116 I swear.

[desert nacelle]

I would prefer to focus on dmg on enemies which got 3 stacks of drunk

[turbid needle]

Not talking about Black Out, then?

[marsh dawn]

I don’t know the name off the top of my head. I’ll go to the wiki. One sec

[unkempt pagoda]

bad influence?

[turbid needle]

No, only two boons that affect stuff standing in Fog (and don't modify Fog like Duos) are High Tolerance (Zag has higher damage resistance standing in Fog) and Black Out.

[desert nacelle]

Bad infuence is 3stack

[marsh dawn]

Yeah, black out. I swear I saw an epic one today that was +116%

[desert nacelle]

amplification

[turbid needle]

It's a Legendary, should be set values.

Weird.

[marsh dawn]

Hmm

[twilit pond]

Biggest increase I've seen was 211% Demeter Special.

[unkempt pagoda]

black out is legendary, it can't be epic

[desert nacelle]

Epic legendary

[marsh dawn]

Does Poseidon have a boon that does something like that? It was during a Dio/Pos run

[desert nacelle]

U saw Bad influence

[marsh dawn]

Could be bad influence. Still learning the boons.

[unkempt pagoda]

you probably saw bad influence

[marsh dawn]

Sorry for the confusion.

[desert nacelle]

Never sry

u would be terminated

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/712749399700406294/759602483374456892/unknown.png

Making my way to the top

[livid comet]

hmm

anyone got to the end on a new game?

[onyx parcel]

I’m tryna get the prophecy where I get out with all the heat conditions

So any tips for tight deadlines?

[livid comet]

pause and the end of rooms while you're choosing

[unkempt pagoda]

go fast

[livid comet]

and play fast and well

just gotta practice

[unkempt pagoda]

td1 and arguably td2 are free heat tbh

[marsh dawn]

The 9 minute one doesn’t require much speed. Just don’t panic.

[livid comet]

part of it is getting an effective build very quickly

[unkempt pagoda]

FO can actually help out too, since it makes enemies spawn quicker

[onyx parcel]

9 min means u only have 27 min to complete the entire run right

[livid comet]

aka you need the dps one way or another

[onyx parcel]

So u have to be under 27 min

[marsh dawn]

36

[onyx parcel]

Oh shoot

[unkempt pagoda]

36, 9 x 4

[onyx parcel]

That’s free heat

[limber pine]

9 mins is plenty of time

[onyx parcel]

36????

That’s legit free

[unkempt pagoda]

you're thinking of TD2

[hard holly]

TD2 is 28

[livid comet]

TD3 is also relatively free heat

[hard holly]

Also free

[onyx parcel]

I forgot there’s a fourth biome

[unkempt pagoda]

absolutely not

[onyx parcel]

It’s times 4

Not 3

[hard holly]

TD3 is borderline

[unkempt pagoda]

td3 is extremely tight

[onyx parcel]

Shoot, 36 min is free heat

[hard holly]

Tartarus is usually easy and so is asphodel

[onyx parcel]

So I have a blank line in my pact of punishment

[livid comet]

14 min clear 👍

[onyx parcel]

Why is that

[hard holly]

Elysium might be an issue though

[livid comet]

elysium is usually the worst

[marsh dawn]

Are you on normal mode? @onyx parcel

[onyx parcel]

Yes

Not hell mode

[livid comet]

although styx can be a good time waster with the sack just not dropping

[marsh dawn]

There is a line at the bottom for hell mode.

Removes the iframes after taking damage

[onyx parcel]

For nemesis sword

Is it worth it to take Artemis keepsake

At the start

[marsh dawn]

Increases crit chance, so why not?

[onyx parcel]

To hope for an attack

[unkempt pagoda]

take aphrodite instead

[onyx parcel]

Increases crit chance, so why not?
@marsh dawn wait what

take aphrodite instead
@unkempt pagoda for attack? Or?

[unkempt pagoda]

higher base damage, artemis would just give you more crit chance but still have very little raw damage bonus

[onyx parcel]

Ok I’ll take aphro

[unkempt pagoda]

aphrodite has the highest damage bonus but you still have nemesis' inherent 30% crit

[onyx parcel]

Aight

[marsh dawn]

Depends on your nemesis rank imo. If your nemesis is level one, I’d rather have the increased crit from Artemis.

[onyx parcel]

Any other good boons?

Depends on your nemesis rank imo. If your nemesis is level one, I’d rather have the increased crit from Artemis.
@marsh dawn level 4

[marsh dawn]

Athena dash, obviously.

[unkempt pagoda]

you could stick artemis on special, aid, or cast and try to fish for heart rend too

[onyx parcel]

Aight thank you

[abstract ferry]

Dumb question from redacted boss figh. The green urns do they count as traps?

[unkempt pagoda]

yes

all trap effects apply to them

[abstract ferry]

So thats why they were dealing 3 digits while redacted was doing one. Ty off to 32 once again.

[sharp cedar]

What are fun builds for aspect of gilgamesh?

[unkempt pagoda]

dash only build with tidal dash

[sharp cedar]

So far only tested our ares with it for the double explosion goodness. But it seems like the debuffs is the main thing for thst aspect

[static jacinth]

Green urns are super rude.

[livid comet]

man

fighting meg on the new game

and I just am bad with sword apparently

[fair plinth]

yep same here

sword is the hardest weapon for me lul

[livid comet]

And NG is just much harder than high heat

at least for me

[fair plinth]

question - why does some rooms have a blue wreathe but some has a yellow/gold?

i know the skull symbol represents a harder encounter

[unkempt pagoda]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/520688402958516254/660997121406926849/hades_room_rewards_guide.png

this is old but the general principle still applies

[fair plinth]

ah

thank you

[unkempt pagoda]

👍

the game's not very clear about this, so

[fair plinth]

hmm, started a run using the fist

dio room or chaos room

OOF

room 2 strong drink or drunken strike?

strong drink seems worth it this early on?

[unreal hull]

Seems so.

[fair plinth]

I get to stack it at least 3 times, if not 4-5

i was looking forward to drunken strike with fists for fast stacking

but strong drink makes a good competitor

decisions decisions....

[primal hazel]

When I got it early on I "only" got bout 10% damage out of ot

If you don't already have an attack boon it's better to take that for future legendaries and duos I think

[fair plinth]

now im glad i took strong drink

just got divine strike 😄

[thorny summit]

I had a really good build once with the spear

Had doom damage with aries do an insane amount on my special with synergized boons

And I had the special do 200% extra damage to armor and ricochet to 7 enemies

I killed the first boss in 30 seconds and second in a minute

[primal hazel]

That's just furies and hydra tho

No cap

[thorny summit]

I got the third ||bosses|| down to half each

Before I got canned

[primal hazel]

You should try to kill one of them first it's easier

It's not like the dark souls fight where one suddenly gets insanely strong after you kill one

[random light]

Definitely better to take out Asterius first imo

[primal hazel]

Yes

[onyx parcel]

Guys

Gods legacy

Or pride

[primal hazel]

Just guide him around the outer arena

[onyx parcel]

Epic boons or duo legendary boons

[primal hazel]

Duo and legendary

[untold vortex]

what do you tend to build towards more

?

[onyx parcel]

I don’t even know

[lone lava]

Can you reroll into duo boons?

[onyx parcel]

I don’t go for specific duos and stuff

I just go along

Whatever I get

[primal hazel]

It's the only option to raise your chance for duos and legendaries

[onyx parcel]

So legacy > pride?

[primal hazel]

There's a lot of sources to get better rate or epic booms

[onyx parcel]

Hm that’s true

[lone lava]

If you're not hunting a specific duo it's probably better to get epic overall though

[primal hazel]

Chaos, the other mirror option and other god boons

At leafs that's my thought

Epic is just more power bit legendaries and duos are unique and often game changing

*run changing

[onyx parcel]

Y’all are both true

Void and master

I’m torn

[lone lava]

I feel like for the duo/legendary you should be using the god keepsakes and going for certain ones & getting prereqs no?

[primal hazel]

Also you can see requirements for duo and legendary boons if you open your codex and check the god page

The keepsakes only specify rare or better

[tidal edge]

yo @onyx parcel what aspects did you use for your first rail and bow clears? I gotta do them too for my 10 blood

[onyx parcel]

yo @onyx parcel what aspects did you use for your first rail and bow clears? I gotta do them too for my 10 blood
@tidal edge lmao

No aspects

Plain vanilla

Somehow did them first try

[primal hazel]

I can recommend hestia

Big damage

[tidal edge]

lol word

[primal hazel]

Sniper like

[onyx parcel]

I did sword bow rail all vanilla

[tidal edge]

I don't think I have the blood to make hestia good yet

[primal hazel]

Same

But chaos shield

And the seeking bow
Forgot the name

[onyx parcel]

Bro if bow and rail is not ur play style, and ur only playing for the 10 blood

Don’t invest in em

Just yet

Get wins with vanilla and invest in the ones u actually like

[lone lava]

The +% dmg rail aspect is good even w/o blood investment

[tidal edge]

it's more that I've only played other weapons, idk if I'll like em yet lol

[runic quartz]

is the life steal powerup the most op powerup in this game?

[lone lava]

But also you can just win on vanilla if you don't need to unlock any for getting the spear hidden one

[onyx parcel]

it's more that I've only played other weapons, idk if I'll like em yet lol
@tidal edge that’s exactly me lol

[tidal edge]

@lone lava gotcha

[lone lava]

For bow, Hera doesn't need investment either

[onyx parcel]

For spear hidden u need 5 different aspects right

[covert hatch]

So is Privileged Status or Family Favorite preferred

[onyx parcel]

Imma need one more aspect for that

[lone lava]

Yeah you need to have any 5 (non zag) aspects unlocked

[onyx parcel]

Ah

Imma just get a random bow aspect then

Chiron

Just so I could get the hiddens

[lone lava]

After you buy the hidden spear then you can start getting other hidden aspects

[primal hazel]

Duo and legendary boost all the way

[onyx parcel]

Damn that’s a lot of wasted blood

[lone lava]

Chiron isn't good w/o upgrading it so

might be worth getting Hera

[tidal edge]

chiron do look fun (and easy)

[lone lava]

If you don't wanna use much blood

[primal hazel]

Get poseidon sword if you don't already have it

[onyx parcel]

Imma eventually play bow and upgrade Chiron

So might as well start now

[lone lava]

Ah yeah then it's good

[tidal edge]

did you like gun and bow more after ur clears?

[primal hazel]

Also good without investment

[onyx parcel]

did you like gun and bow more after ur clears?
@tidal edge just a tiny bit

I still don’t really like em

[tidal edge]

haha

[onyx parcel]

However I do like spear and sword much more now

After their clears

So I guess it really was bc of my personal play style

[tidal edge]

those are my main two, shield feels kinda unintuitive to me

[onyx parcel]

All the four melee feels pretty good to play

[tidal edge]

blocking feels weird when I can just dash

[onyx parcel]

Blocking is amazing

[tidal edge]

yeah no doubt it's strong

just doesn't feel as natural as dodging to me

[onyx parcel]

You’ll get used to it

Especially if ur on chaos shield

Bull rushing becomes part of ur normal combo

[primal hazel]

I like all the weapons except spear

[onyx parcel]

I hated spear

[primal hazel]

Just depends on the aspect

[onyx parcel]

Before I tried hades

Hades is freaking amazing

[primal hazel]

Spear is doable but I just find it the most boring

[onyx parcel]

Do u know how to charge spin with a dash attack

And end spin with a dash

That helped a lot

There’s just something satisfying with the hades spin 🤤

[tidal edge]

sauce is gonna become an evangelist for every weapon at this rate lol

[primal hazel]

Spin is my most hated move

[tidal edge]

but yeah Hades spear feels great

[onyx parcel]

Ahaha

[primal hazel]

Haven't tried out hades tho

[onyx parcel]

Spin is my most hated move
@primal hazel me too, before I tried hades

Hades changed my view about spear

Spear used to be so boring for me

[tidal edge]

the spin feels very satisfying after you combine it with dashes

[onyx parcel]

^

[primal hazel]

Well since I'm waiting ages for nyx to give me ||Arthur|| I might as well invest

[covert hatch]

Dumb question: Chiron bow, I've got Demeter special already, but Zeus is offering me the trade

[primal hazel]

I know you can trigger spin by dashing

[onyx parcel]

You can also end a spin charge with a dash

[unkempt pagoda]

thunder flourish's internal cooldown, don't do it

[onyx parcel]

To bring the radius to even a larger area

[covert hatch]

That's what I thought

[onyx parcel]

Which just feels freaking amazing to execute

[tidal edge]

you can still do the invest blood and then start and give up a run trick to try out weps

[onyx parcel]

you can still do the invest blood and then start and give up a run trick to try out weps
@tidal edge that’s actually exactly what I intended with hades

I wanted to try it out

But won

[primal hazel]

Feelsbad

Or something

[tidal edge]

that's better than me buying zeus shield to try out and bullrushing out of the room by accident....

[primal hazel]

Zeus shield looks awesome too

[fair plinth]

lul near invulnerability run

[primal hazel]

Rn I'm maxing out chiron and chaos
Cause I love those

[fair plinth]

divine dash, divine strike, divine flourish

thanks athena

[primal hazel]

Just drag a reflect with you

Mobile nope

How does it interact with block? (From exalted shields and theseus)

[fallen siren]

Got a question specifically for playing around switch performance issues. I got a bunch of Hangover debuff related boons yesterday, but it completely slowed the FPS down to a crawl due to too many calculations or whatever happens behind the scenes, are there any other boons/builds/weapons worth just avoiding if playing on switch to improve the general experience?

Or maybe boons/weapons/general builds that shouldn't impact performance much?

[onyx parcel]

I’ve noticed frame drops

But it’s not that bad to the point where I wanna avoid builds for performance

[primal hazel]

I had no major problems on switch eitjer

I also only had frame drops with dio so far

Maybe just report it

[fallen siren]

Maybe just report it
@primal hazel Ty maybe just hangover is especially bad then. New here sorry, do you report switch issues in the Feedback channel, or somewhere more official?

[dry ember]

sometimes you can mistake hit pause for frame drops

[primal hazel]

Feedback or tech support I think

But I'm hella new too

[dry ember]

my runs can look choppy when I hit a fat Demeter Fist upper cut and kill many things at once

it looks laggy but the frame indicator didn't flinch

something you should be aware of

[fallen siren]

sometimes you can mistake hit pause for frame drops
@dry ember ah yeah I know what you mean, the Hangover lag was definitely actual frame loss, all movements all the time were slow motion, actually helped me get further in the run because it legitimately gave me enough time to try and dodge stuff more than usual lol

[dry ember]

i see. you can disregard what I said then

[primal hazel]

Guess you harnessed the power of time manipulation

[marsh dawn]

Gonna try GY out. Any recommendation for starter boons?

[dry ember]

artemis

for either Hunter Dash or Deadly Flourish

Or Deadly Strike

[primal hazel]

I always have to think of graveyard lol

[marsh dawn]

Is special used often on GY?

[oblique forge]

first post here, just gonna say why is spear with Flurry Jab and any dps upgrade such a melter

[primal hazel]

Because it's fast as fvck boooooi

Good range, lot of triggers I'd assume

[oblique forge]

its ridiculous with reflect

basically grab reflect, that, and some upgrades to skewer and you won

[unkempt pagoda]

Is special used often on GY?
with charged skewer i'd say it's the best build on gy

[oblique forge]

oh and an upgrade to dash attack

GY?

new to the lingo sorry

[primal hazel]

||Guan Yu||

Hidden aspect of the spear

[oblique forge]

OH I see

something I have no idea about yet

[unkempt pagoda]

you'll get it eventually

[oblique forge]

I've done a few successful runs

[primal hazel]

Just invest in your weapons ;D

[marsh dawn]

First hammer has quick spin, triple jab, and serrated. I usually take serrated on varatha, but the spin heal might be nice.

[primal hazel]

It'll eventually show up

[unkempt pagoda]

quick spin then

[twilit pond]

@oblique forge check the sticky. It's not intiutive how to unlock the hidden aspect for the spear.

[oblique forge]

Varatha is best with serrated and flurry

[twilit pond]

Quick Spin, Charged Skewer are the best on GY I feel.

[marsh dawn]

GY plays different than normal Varatha

I’ll go quick spin

[oblique forge]

huh cpp;

cool

sorry im tiired

[primal hazel]

Mood

[dry ember]

hi tired im fox

[solid cairn]

what are your guys thoughts on rama bow

how do you build it

[mighty ermine]

very very good

[dry ember]

^

[mighty ermine]

twin shot or triple shot shotgun

add either explosive, point blank, or perfect shot depending on the situation

profit immensely

[unkempt pagoda]

i don't use it much but i've seen people get really good results from it

[mighty ermine]

how can you call yourself a bow main when you don't use the beefy bow family member

[dry ember]

why are you attack me?

[unkempt pagoda]

the beefiest bow is found in yourself (yourself being zag aspect)

[mighty ermine]

both of you need to try rama more

mostly because i think you'd both like it

[covert hatch]

Is the Arctic Blast boon usually worth taking? (10 stacks of chill causes a burst of damage but clears the stacks)

I don't know if the slow is worth more

[dry ember]

depends

[unkempt pagoda]

i'm sure if i placed my entire heart and soul into it like ledger i'd love it lol

[turbid needle]

If you've got a very fast Chill proc, yes, if not the slow is better.

[dry ember]

if you can stack chill quickly yes

[unkempt pagoda]

arctic blast is best on fast weapons

[covert hatch]

Chiron bow, so

[primal hazel]

Rama is poggers

[mighty ermine]

what they said

[covert hatch]

Pretty quick lol

[unkempt pagoda]

chiron and rail are the best at it

[turbid needle]

Yeah, that's extra big burst.

[mighty ermine]

serrated point too

[dry ember]

and fist

[unkempt pagoda]

but there's also demeter call, glacial glare, and fists

[primal hazel]

It's not worth it if you already have the decay buff imo

Cause they work against each other I'm design

[solid cairn]

what boons for rama btw

[unkempt pagoda]

hangover or lightning for special

[glass ether]

I think I hate adamant's rail hammer which makes 5 bombs. So much visual noise, I can't see redacted attacks at all

[unkempt pagoda]

big boy damage modifiers for attack

[primal hazel]

I like demeter and aphrodite on rama

[solid cairn]

so artemis and aphro?

[mighty ermine]

as long as you're aggressive enough, killing freeze and arctic blast are fine being together

[unkempt pagoda]

i've also seen results from doom + dire misfortune on rama special

[covert hatch]

Ice Wine and Scintillating Feast

[primal hazel]

What I meant with working against each other is the goal of one is to keep chill on enemies for continuous damage while the other goes of burst damage

[unkempt pagoda]

did someone say full wine 👀

[primal hazel]

And you won't get much damage out of the dots if you reliably stack chill fas

Fast

[mighty ermine]

yeah, i see what you mean, but it isn't much of a problem where it matters since killing freeze starts as soon as even one chill is applied right after arctic's burst

and ideally you have a fast application method

[unkempt pagoda]

ez, you take them together because then you can qualify for winter harvest 😎

[primal hazel]

Yep

[cobalt wind]

Does anyone else think sniper shot kinda sucks?

[marsh dawn]

Heat 12 with 30 max health is just really difficult for me. Lost a DD on the furies. Should be running SD.

[primal hazel]

But if I have the choice I focus on either one

[unkempt pagoda]

i melee a lot with bow so yeah lol

[mighty ermine]

rama with winter harvest, by the way, is beautiful

[primal hazel]

@cobalt wind it's underwhelming

[mighty ermine]

a twin shot chunking build just gets even more fun to use on bosses

[cobalt wind]

the threshold for "distant" comes so late into the charge and its so tiny

[unkempt pagoda]

sniper shot is an upgrade you would expect for a bow-type weapon, but in practice it's not great

[primal hazel]

Most of the time I'm to close for that

[unkempt pagoda]

it's there to be there

[mighty ermine]

yeah, it's kind of a bad hammer imo

if the threshold were more forgiving, it would be okay sometimes

[primal hazel]

Speaking of

I'd like to try a twin shot melee bow build

Amy recons for aspect, boons etc

[rare kayak]

god i havent had winter harvest in a while

havent had a good demeter run either

[cobalt wind]

It would be cool if after you reach max charge your arrow would go indefinitely or something to make it better

[mighty ermine]

rama with artemis or aphro and point-blank or perfect shot does the trick

[unkempt pagoda]

twin shot with point-blank or perfect shot or explosive shot

if anvil weren't so risky i'd try my luck at a twin + point-blank + explosive

[mighty ermine]

triple shot can sometimes work on rama too for a melee build but it's not as consistent as twin

[covert hatch]

Woof

Okay, going into Styx for ||EM4||, what trinket should I take

[unkempt pagoda]

i go spearpoint but acorn is valid

haven't had amazing luck with either so

[cunning urchin]

Worst part of Sniper Shot is that a lot of chambers extend northward. So the enemies in range of Sniper Shot are all off-screen.

[mighty ermine]

yeah lol

that was my very first impression of sniper shot ever, i think

trying to notice any damage increase, and when i did, i couldn't see what i shot

[unkempt pagoda]

hmm

does chain shot interact with sniper shot like i'm thinking it does?

[cunning urchin]

You go find out and tell us.

[unkempt pagoda]

but that means i'd be playing sniper shot

[mighty ermine]

now that would be a neat interaction

but i'm also prepared to be disappointed

[covert hatch]

Smouldering Air with Demeter Aid?

[smoky atlas]

does chiron bow special trigger zeus lightning with each arrow?

doesnt look like it

[unkempt pagoda]

ig i could turn on hades right now...

thunder flourish has an internal cooldown

chiron strikes way too fast

[smoky atlas]

rip

i thought i was so smart

[cunning urchin]

@covert hatch that's the second worst Call you could pick for it imo.

[covert hatch]

That's what I was thinking, that the vortex needs to grow

Well these all suck then lol

[smoky atlas]

guess its either aphro or art for chiron special

[cunning urchin]

I just don't think Demeter's Aid is ever good, personally.

[primal hazel]

How bout dio

[onyx parcel]

DEAR LORD

[mighty ermine]

it's kind of a worse dionysus' aid with chill to compensate

[onyx parcel]

The damage on nemesis

IS INSANE

[mighty ermine]

which isn't much at all unless you have dem T2s

[onyx parcel]

LITERALLY INSANE

[unkempt pagoda]

fun fact: that internal cooldown was added after chiron's release because of how broken it was!

[smoky atlas]

outrageous

[covert hatch]

Is it just Chiron that hits the internal cooldown?

[primal hazel]

I find weapons that don't transform the usual weapons gameplay p boring

Depends on your attack speed

[covert hatch]

Or will point blank normal special hit it too

[unkempt pagoda]

there's few things that hit as fast as chiron, but i'm sure there's something

[smoky atlas]

yea point blank special doesnt trigger multiple zeus either

[mighty ermine]

internal cooldown applies to all weapons with thunder flourish

e.g. chaos shield

[unkempt pagoda]

i'm blanking right now though

[mighty ermine]

if you shotgun all shields at once, you will not get a separate bolt for all of them

[cunning urchin]

Dionysus' Aid, Poseidon's Aid, and Zeus' Aid are top 3. Demeter's Aid and Artemis' Aid are bottom 2.

The others somewhere inbetween.

That doesn't mean Artemis' Aid or Demeter's Aid can never work.

[unkempt pagoda]

ares aid doesn't last long enough to be anything more than a panic button imo

[smoky atlas]

idk, i prefer 2k dmg up front for hades

[unkempt pagoda]

which, tbf, all calls can be panic buttons, but at least they can also function as other things

[steady lintel]

is there a way to figure out which weapons i've already earned titan blood for?

other than playing through w/ them

[unkempt pagoda]

do you have the pact unlocked?

[cunning urchin]

Artemis' Aid suffers especially from terrible Lesser Call damage and hence also the worst synergy with Smoldering Air.

[steady lintel]

no haven't made a full clear yet

[primal hazel]

Then you only see it once you started a fun

[unkempt pagoda]

ah, that screen with the pact is where you'd see it

[steady lintel]

damn ok

[primal hazel]

*run

[mighty ermine]

athena's aid is at least a very good panic button that allows you to just go ham for its duration without regard for your safety, while ares' aid forces you to rely on its own self-contained damage during

[smoky atlas]

ah yea if we're not talking full meter then aphro/arter isnt good

[primal hazel]

That threw me off too

[unkempt pagoda]

all other calls at least have iframes and do something worthwhile

[cunning urchin]

I think Athena's Aid is a bit better than Ares' Aid, but they're both mid tier for me.

[unkempt pagoda]

ares aid makes you invulnerable... and you spin around for a second ig

[cunning urchin]

All Calls have i-frames.

[unkempt pagoda]

well yeah

ares aid has i frames and not much else

[mighty ermine]

access to vicious cycle

[covert hatch]

Good lord

I have done it

[unkempt pagoda]

vicious cycle is the reason why ares aid would be actively detrimental with smouldering

[smoky atlas]

what boon triggers revenge procs automatically again

[mighty ermine]

oh i didn't think we were still speaking strictly from smoldering air perspective

but yes that is a bummer for sure

[unkempt pagoda]

vengeful mood, duo from zeus/ares

[smoky atlas]

i wanna make a build around that

not sure if viable

or meme

[unkempt pagoda]

it's viable, i've seen good results

plus it's fun anyways

[mighty ermine]

mostly meme if that's your only damage source but it's good as a supplement

[smoky atlas]

im gonna do a no attack run with that boon

dash dacing only

[mighty ermine]

tidal dash's time to shine

[unkempt pagoda]

tidal dash + gilgamesh

the true canon build

[smoky atlas]

ye its my go-to combo when i feel extra spicy

[mighty ermine]

the true ending real gimmick of gilgamesh

[smoky atlas]

you cant get hermes dash with gilgamesh can you

[unkempt pagoda]

you can i think

[cunning urchin]

You can.

[jagged perch]

what is probably the best 4th aspect to focus on getting after guan yu?

i need recommendations

[mighty ermine]

no hermes boons are off the table with gilgamesh

[cunning urchin]

Beowulf.

[mighty ermine]

for some reason there was a brief rumor that you couldn't get swift strike on it lol

[cunning urchin]

Excalibur.

Those two.

[jagged perch]

i see, let's try getting excalibur first

[smoky atlas]

@mighty ermine did you mean "no hermes boons" or "no, hermes boons"

[mighty ermine]

the former

they're all there

[smoky atlas]

oh god, time to fish for 8 dashes

[unkempt pagoda]

gil also has the advantage of making ruthless worth using

so your tidal dashes now have +50%

[cunning urchin]

"no [Lord] [H]ermes, boons"

[mighty ermine]

no mister hermes boons

[cunning urchin]

@unkempt pagoda how much?

[unkempt pagoda]

no coz, boons

[dry ember]

Hermes did not spend 400 years delivering Olympian news to be called Mister

That's Lord Hermes for you

[mighty ermine]

hey you know he'd be chill with it

don't deny

[cunning urchin]

I don't think he has chill.

But he ain't got time to complain, either.

[unkempt pagoda]

he hasn't had chill ever since demeter took his slowing mechanics

[mighty ermine]

he's a chill guy who has no chill

it's complicated

oh gods i almost forgot about those onyx

[cunning urchin]

So he doesn't do the chilling. Rather, he's a victim of chill.

[mighty ermine]

whew

[smoky atlas]

honestly demeters aid is the best call in the game, simply because of they way she screams her lines when you call her

[cunning urchin]

@unkempt pagoda so, how much gil do I need it?

[smoky atlas]

a wasteland devoid of life

[unkempt pagoda]

if we're talking about call lines, demeter's are the best in the game

[cunning urchin]

To get that advantage.

[covert hatch]

Her max rank call covers the whole arena of the final boss

[mighty ermine]

freeze to death

[covert hatch]

So that's actually big plus

[unkempt pagoda]

(is this a reference to something i'm not getting )

[smoky atlas]

they shall have nothing!

[cunning urchin]

Lady Aphrodite's lines are the best in the game.

All of them.

[turbid needle]

What’s up

[unkempt pagoda]

hello!

[cunning urchin]

@unkempt pagoda gil is money in Final Fantasy.

[unkempt pagoda]

ahhh lol, don't play FF so

[dry ember]

I am an adult Aphrodite, not your little godling 😤

[smoky atlas]

little hades

[mighty ermine]

oh wait nvm

that's mister godling to you

[smoky atlas]

demeter also has the nastiest lines when you dont pick her boon first

[unkempt pagoda]

godling is better than being called half-god by artemis

[smoky atlas]

scary bitter grandma

[unkempt pagoda]

demeter is so salty i love it lol

[thick raptor]

Best line in the game was Theseus' after you get the credits ||when Zagreus is all like "yeah the queen is my mother" and Theseus basically screams "How dare you attempt to bismerch the glorious queen so"||

[smoky atlas]

for a winter goddess she has no chill

[mighty ermine]

i love her whole epilogue shtick too

[unkempt pagoda]

ok i was frustrated at hades earlier bc of 32 heat attempts, but ig i'll turn it on to test sniper + chain

[thick raptor]

I love the art they did for her, so much pure power exuding from her

[marsh dawn]

Well. Theseus and Asterius have never been as difficult as they were with GY just now. Burned three DD.

[mighty ermine]

her looking down on you in the portrait is very much intentional and it's perfect

[thick raptor]

All of the art is absolutely fantastic and a treasure, Demeter is perfect

[cunning urchin]

@unkempt pagoda good luck!

[turbid needle]

I have a quick question as a result of my indecisiveness & lack of knowledge so far

[cunning urchin]

Gotta practice doing the base Theseus + Asterius hitless.

[turbid needle]

I just started playing today on switch but I’m so hooked

[cunning urchin]

If you can do it with Malphon, you can do it with any weapon.

[dry ember]

I am on my Huge Catch run

Hype :3

[mighty ermine]

fish%

[turbid needle]

Also another thing, how do I get access to send images?

[mighty ermine]

in this channel you need an external image link

[turbid needle]

I have an image which correlates with my question

[mighty ermine]

like imgur or a prviate server copied link

[cunning urchin]

Use imgur or something, yeah.

[calm glen]

4th aspect makes you super tanky

[tidal edge]

I was watching a couple pre-v1.0 speedruns and it looks like zag bow special is almost never used, why is that?

[dry ember]

because it sucks

[smoky atlas]

its ok to spread poisonhangover

[rigid apex]

looking for some advice on trying to clear with '1 revive per room' instead of '3 total revives' buffs for the fated list. i got popped pretty easily by hades at the end there. any good tips for weapons/aspects/builds that make the final hades fight a little safer?

[mighty ermine]

fox's answer is pretty much totally accurate

[smoky atlas]

tho i find shotgunning with it makes it more bearable

[tidal edge]

even when there's like a dozen skulls or tiny rats it's not worth using zag bow special?

[cunning urchin]

I wouldn't say it sucks. It got buffed, and people haven't fully studied Coronacht yet in 1.0.

Before 1.0, the Special was just bad, definitely.

[mighty ermine]

we mean sucks since the comment was in reference to pre-1.0 speedruns

[cunning urchin]

Oh.

[dry ember]

it's an opportunity cost mostly

it takes a decent amount to get going with special build

[mighty ermine]

it is thankfully not as garbage now

[dry ember]

and not even that reliable. better off just use attack

[cunning urchin]

I didn't read that far. I'm hungry. Leave me alone. Why are you bullying me. 🔫

[tidal edge]

it's just kinda weird that shooting twelve weak enemies one at a time is better than hitting them with an aoe lol

[unkempt pagoda]

special definitely better now
source: me having to use it right now while testing bow

[dry ember]

depends on how build your bow

[thick raptor]

I can see it being nice to hit a delayed Doom in an area

[dry ember]

most of the time your aoe is taken care of by means of the arrow piercing, triple, chain shot

or even twinshot (kinda)

[turbid needle]

https://imgur.com/gallery/XlIq2bv which Hermes boon should I choose here? Just curious as to which would be most useful

[tidal edge]

gotcha

[unkempt pagoda]

weapon?

[turbid needle]

I’m using spear at the moment

[unkempt pagoda]

if nothing else, i'd take evasion

[mighty ermine]

probably greater evasion

[cunning urchin]

Volley before 1.0 had way too much recovery. Took more than half a second before you could move again, so you were very vulnerable.

[mighty ermine]

common haste won't make a huge dent and hyper sprint can disrupt your playstyle if you're new to it

[turbid needle]

It was between that and greater haste because increased movement speed sounds tempting

[thick raptor]

I almost always hit evasion. Speed is kinda nice if you're on FO

[turbid needle]

Gotcha> common haste won't make a huge dent and hyper sprint can disrupt your playstyle if you're new to it
@mighty ermine

[tidal edge]

makes sense nyaanyaa

[turbid needle]

Yeah I’m still getting used to it for sure

[cunning urchin]

Hyper Sprint is good.

[thick raptor]

Hyper sprint always goofs me up but I should probably learn it

[mighty ermine]

yeah lol

it's worth the small learning curve if you want to mess with it in a run sometime

[turbid needle]

Dodging automatically with greater evasion sounds weird because I’m assuming you dodge in any random direction?

[tidal edge]

I think hyper sprint would feel more intuitive if dash striking didn't cancel the speed boost lol

[dry ember]

I don't like big brain boons such as Hyper Sprint, Dash Nova, Swift Strike on timing weapons

[mighty ermine]

dodge in hades is just automatic

[thick raptor]

I've been trying a lot of new things now that I'm near depleting my run rewards

[mighty ermine]

you don't move, you just don't take damage from the attack if it activates

phases through you essentially

[dry ember]

just missed fish in fish% run

nooo

[mighty ermine]

reset

[unkempt pagoda]

F

[tidal edge]

the chaos debuff that hurts you on using a certain move can't kill you?? that's neat

[void fjord]

wait what

[dry ember]

ah yes, the 1HP and a dream boon

[void fjord]

damn didnt know that

[cunning urchin]

Hyper Sprint is great on bow because it practically just makes all your Dash-Strikes sturdy.

[turbid needle]

Well I died..

[mighty ermine]

such is life(death) in the underworld 😔

[tidal edge]

⚰️

[smoky atlas]

zag's family has a really cool method of fast travel

wanna go home? just die

[heady relic]

Any tips on escaping with stubborn defiance? Because...ouch...

Heat level 3.

[dry ember]

yes

the 4head advice is not to take it

the 5head advice is to use skelly, spearpoint, acorn, collar to supplement your weakness

the 6head advice is to crank LC4 and do ultra high heat

[heady relic]

Lc 4?

[dry ember]

Lasting Consequences

[mighty ermine]

100head advice is there is no escape

[dry ember]

no healing

[heady relic]

Ah okay I'll check these out. Thanks @dry ember !

[burnt sandal]

LC4 doesn't actually make Stubborn Defiance better, it just takes away all the better options so you're forced to resort to it

[dry ember]

that's why it's 6head

[burnt sandal]

right, it sounds like they were taking your advice seriously though

[mighty ermine]

i mean SD and LC4 do go hand in hand at ultra high heat

that much is true

[unkempt pagoda]

so ||hades' aid damage boost|| works on crystal beam...

[dry ember]

6 fishes so far

[unkempt pagoda]

this opens up many possibilities i think

many memey possibilities

[dry ember]

just got out of Elysium

should have been 7'

😦

[mighty ermine]

at last, a use for ||hades' aid||? perhaps

[unkempt pagoda]

honestly this just means it works on blade rifts, and therefore hunting blades is even more broke than before

get max call then immediately drop your casts

[quasi folio]

is there a recommended build i should try to go for with the gun or specific gods? also any weapon that might make things a tad easier to get my first W at hades

[unkempt pagoda]

zeus attack

[lone lava]

Zeus attacks

[mighty ermine]

^

zeus rail is simple and easy to get going

[unkempt pagoda]

afterward pick up storm lightning so you can qualify for his legendary boon

[rigid apex]

any good casts to use with stygian soul? just trying to finish a run with it

[mighty ermine]

more zeus stacks nicely on top of it

[unkempt pagoda]

boom you won the run

[quasi folio]

thank you all

[unkempt pagoda]

pick up flurry fire too

[unique vigil]

damn do people actually use stubborn defiance? I'm using it for the prophecy and it just seems way worse than the normal death defiance

[quasi folio]

having trouble on the third boss

[maiden pike]

it is way worse, yeah

[unique vigil]

sure seems like it

[dry ember]

it's a matter of necessity to go for Stubborn Defiance

[mighty ermine]

SD is better for normal encounter rooms, worse for bosses which means it can force you to get better at bosses

[lone lava]

@rigid apex you could just not do a cast build but leave on stygian soul if you aren't a fan

[mighty ermine]

SD is almost mandatory at higher heat, but DD is usually easier to work with before that, yes

[unique vigil]

ah fair

[rigid apex]

yeah i think i will just kind of avoid cast

[unique vigil]

also I just got aspect of demeter and it feels pretty strong

[maiden pike]

demeter is quite good yeah. Synergizes incredibly well with itself

[mighty ermine]

demeter fists are great

[maiden pike]

especially with fast or multishot weapons (chill on bow spec is silly)

you can also get cold fusion duo which is p good

[unkempt pagoda]

okay i have sniper chain right now and i think it works the way i think it does

[mighty ermine]

oh kanga they mean the aspect of demeter

which is different than demeter's boons

[maiden pike]

oh, mb

[unkempt pagoda]

one enemy was somewhere in the 100s and the next was somewhere in the 300s

a +15% can't do that by itself

maybe

[mighty ermine]

hmm

i kinda thought chain shot's range was a bit short, though

how often do you think this would work out

[unique vigil]

[unkempt pagoda]

almost never

[mighty ermine]

lol

it was worth a shot 🥁

[unkempt pagoda]

sniper shot’s range is so limiting that it would never be worth

[mighty ermine]

sniper shot why don't you want to be loved

we want you to work

[unkempt pagoda]

as a sidenote: i just got hit by a non-FO asterius charge because i was so offput by so slow it was

[mighty ermine]

i always get hit by non-FO hades spins

[unkempt pagoda]

this literally just a crystal beam ||hades’ aid|| build now lol

[mighty ermine]

that stacked with achilles-boosted crystals or hunting blades

[unkempt pagoda]

think of the highest dps cast build and increase it by +100%

that’s the potential

would be a killer on achilles zeus

[spiral tree]

YO

[rare kayak]

||hades aid|| actually works pretty good v asterios

stops an attack sequence

[cunning urchin]

Asterius.

[rare kayak]

is it

heck

[cunning urchin]

We should think up a couple name for them.

Thesast.

[rare kayak]

how about

[cunning urchin]

Thesterius.

[rare kayak]

the beast and the ugly beast

[mighty ermine]

asteseus

[cunning urchin]

Why are you calling Theseus ugly?

[rare kayak]

iunno

maybe whiteguards

[cunning urchin]

He seems handsome.

For a man.

[rare kayak]

not in em3 mask he isnt

[turbid needle]

With shield has anyone found jolt damage: 60 or revenged damage: 80 to be worth your while?

[cunning urchin]

Wow, somebody's jealous that they didn't get Bronze Armor from Daedalus himself.

[rare kayak]

jolted is pretty cool with cold fusion or if it can be applied constantly

yeah and its zagreus

[dry ember]

Breaching Cross or Explosive Upper?

[rare kayak]

big fan of breaching cross

[dry ember]

sold

[cunning urchin]

What aspect?

[rare kayak]

dunno if its good but it feels good

[dry ember]

dem

[cunning urchin]

Explosive Upper.

[rare kayak]

oh if its dem then upper for sure yeah

[dry ember]

well level 2 dem

[cunning urchin]

Not really for sure, they're pretty close, but Explosive Upper will matter more on bosses.

[dry ember]

il go BC

[cunning urchin]

Oh, Breaching Cross all the way.

[smoky atlas]

Why is aphro cast sometimes get lodged in the target and sometimes it's not

Sometimes the enemy takes full dmg but the ammo bounces right off

[mighty ermine]

yeah, crush shot can behave... weirdly. and has been behaving weirdly for some time before 1.0 even

[livid comet]

yo, anyone have tips for completing a NG run

the furthest I got was Lernie and I keep dying to Meg

[dry ember]

ng run?

[mighty ermine]

fresh file

first run, i believe

[livid comet]

yup

[dry ember]

first run completion?

[livid comet]

yup

[dry ember]

i think either lysol or swan did that

[spiral tree]

these rift blades are amazing

wow

rift cast DPS is too high

lol

[livid comet]

wat

[dry ember]

@magic dagger did you do fresh file on Hell mode?

any tip?

[livid comet]

oh it's not even hell mode

it's just normal

[spiral tree]

the ares discs

they just rip everything that walks on them

[dry ember]

ik, but he might be of help

[livid comet]

I've never found them to be particularly great

[spiral tree]

what?

the DPS is insane

[livid comet]

oh sure if it can be done in hell mode then it can be dome in normal

[spiral tree]

they are slow which is good

baiting enemies or bosses to walk on them for a while is easy

[rigid apex]

i am really struggling to get a clear with stubborn defiance, but i want these 8 titan bloods

[livid comet]

iunno about dps

I find other casts to be much better at bursting down an enemy

[spiral tree]

like which ones?

[livid comet]

poseidon

aphrodite

my two favourite casts in the game

[spiral tree]

I just started a heat gauge 2 run

crit build is OP

[livid comet]

crit build is good

[spiral tree]

Artemis is def my favorite God

[livid comet]

on what weapon?

[spiral tree]

blade

[dry ember]

Artemis best girl

[livid comet]

Aph > Art fite me

[spiral tree]

Artemis crit on attack and that the marked thingy

marked is soo good lol

[livid comet]

the marked status effect?

[spiral tree]

Aphrodite is like God mode sorta

[livid comet]

not useful for bosses tho

[spiral tree]

minus 30% damage

lol

it works on bosses

[livid comet]

uhh aph also hits like a truck

[spiral tree]

I've seen the green target mark on bosses

[livid comet]

you can't mark bosses unless they have other enemies show up right?

[spiral tree]

aph attack bonuses look much higher than anyone else

I notice artmis attack bonus % is super low

[livid comet]

aph +dmg is the highest in the game.

[spiral tree]

but it doesnt matter

[livid comet]

art is low because crit.

[spiral tree]

best gods in order: art, aph, ath

[livid comet]

artemis is better on fast weapons, aph is better on slow weapons

[spiral tree]

ath just because dodge lol

deflect on dash is soo good

[livid comet]

indeed

ath best girl